Ferrofish Pulse 16 - Outboard Hardware Wiring Plan
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Hi Barry. Welcome to the RME community 🙂 This is a very interesting video. I build a very similar setup with external converters connected to my RME interface - including a patch bay.
I connected every in-/output of my analog gear (FX, Guitar Amps, Synth) via a patchbay to the converters. My opinion was, that AD/DA conversion would be an issue. But after a couple of weeks, my patch cables went to storage.
Now I am using TotalMix for each and every routing, since you can make totally crazy sub-mixes in it. Need the compressor within the mic-chain? Snapshot 1. No compressor, but the EQ? Snapshot 2.
Since the signal is not routed through the DAW, there is no latency issue. And the potential disadvantage of AD/DA conversion is substituted by the fact, that I can fine-control the levels of each device. For example: Hitting the output transformer of the mic pre very hard, than reducing the signal by 6dB and going into the compressor in serial... Or in parallel - it is only a question of the snapshot in TotalMix.
My "Nightmare for purists" setup: I go with my guitar via a DI into Totalmix, use a reamp-box to hit my Tube amp, have the effect send routed through TotalMix, where I am switching effects and levels and going back. In practise, this is working better than my multi-fx directly in the effect send... And: I can record everything on a fingertip!
I think the capabilities of TotalMix are enormous, but most musicans only scratch the surface. A really helpful add-on is the ARC USB remote control for the RME interface.
If you are interested in details, please let me know. I am not a YT guy, but would be happy to share my experience. Probably there are other ones, who are interested in it...
Great sales pitch but the interface is still USB 2. Ok it covers the bandwidth but still... it's 2022
@@citizenworld8094 @Citizen This is not right. The UFX+ is USB3 as well as Thunderbolt 3. The UFX is connected via USB2, since no more bandwidth is needed (no MADI). Please consider watching RME's video explaining expected latency and bandwidth of the connection.
I would prefer an USB2 connection, since it is more reliable over long distances. I really h###e the fact, that you can't get TB3 over more than 6ft. Even in 2022 🙂
@Citizen World
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But there is tiny at least few samples latency always when going A to D or D to A right?!
@@tatuparssinen yes, but the latency is equivalent to moving your microphone 3cm away from your source. It's on the manual
Sounds like you need a FLOCK Patch Bay which is D Sub and you do the routing from the software GUI.
Studio One!
I bought one but then I returned it and went with the Flock Patch. I hope you'll check it out. It's a beast of a modern patch bay. Seriously the coolest thing. Minus the sticker shock, but i think you'd LOVE it.
500 series
Thank you for this. Love the pulse . Just bought 1
Thx Barry for taking the time to make this VIdeo ( Patch Bays have always been confusing to me in the beginning:) George Amodei
Thank you so much!! I spent the last 3 days working this out! I way over complicated it!!!
Great video! The best I’ve seen to explain hardware inserts and believe me I’ve looked lol
Happy to help!
Hey Barry I see a few folks here mentioning the Flock. I know they make at least two versions. They are pretty pricey but seem to handle a lot of I/O patching including a GUI for your computer of choice.
Hello Barry. I am glad you moved away from Avid. I agree with you they have lost their way. I want to suggest that you take a serious hard look at presonus Studio One 5 Pro. I absolutely love it. The interface is so fresh and nice looking. The Pipeline plugin for hardware inserts is also fantastic. Take another look at it. I think you will really like it.
I second this opinion, this is how I’m using the Pulse DX in my studio that we spoke about a few months ago @barry. Pipeline Xt via Dante out to the pulse that links my mix bus and everything back in the Pulse. Also utilising a patchbay to get in and out of the Apollo x6
Nice video! Helped me planning my patchbay wiring. I hope you are ok!
Thanks.Barry. Just what I needed
You should consider getting a Flock Patch.
Grab a Flock Audio patchbay for ultimate flexibility. You will not regret it!
Flock audio patch?thoughts?
Hi Barry good video. On this video you said you make your own cables. Can you make a video on the process of making a cable, soldering etc
Yes it on the list.
Please do a review of the sound of the PULSE when you get it!
I will and also my RME Fireface UFX+ as well. Need more time to be through.
@@BarryJohns Looking forward to it.
I’m running a Pulse MX in a hybrid environment, let me know if you have any questions. Also run it though my Switchcraft for the same logic you mentioned. Also, think you’re a Mac guy (as am I), but you’ll need a PC or a Mac with paralles to update the Ferrofish firmware. It’s the only gripe I have with it.
That’s a pita, I have my Son’s Gaming PC that I can use for now I guess.
@@BarryJohns Ferrofish, per their website, appears to have had a Mac version of the firmware updater in the works for some time, that originally should have been released by now. I feel like I’ve been periodically checking for about a year.
Firmware updater for Mac is on the way!
Hi Barry any chance you can do a download link to the spreadsheet so we can tweak it to fit our Patchbays.
Just go to the video and screen shot it and print the picture bro 😎
@@jaceychan7099 they don't want to recreate it!
I need to do the same great video
Barry, love your channel! Just curious, what rack furniture are you using for your outboard gear? Looks really nice!!
and what about the gains and levels on ferrofish, hot you calibrate signals between hardwear and convertors
Hi Barry, Can you talk sometime about how you rewired your studio using Ethercon? I'm in the process or a studio buildout and I'm considering going this route but I'm trying to decide what I want for breakouts. Thanks Steve!
Hi Barry, enjoying the videos come across you by accident but now subbed to you. What DAW software are you using since kicking pro tools into touch? All the best from the UK...
At this point it’s Nuendo mainly due to the better SSL UF8 integration, I really, really liked Studio One.
Warm 1073 vs haritage, which is your favorite?
That’s a future video, stay tuned…..
Hi Barry great video! I have a very similar setup with pulse 16 but one question I have is how you have your master bus wired in the patch bay? Do you patch that with cables every time or is it nornales to ahat you usually use?
I'm going to be moving soon so I'm going to have to re wire everything again so I'm thinking about the flow of my patch bays as well. Your content is very helpful I hope all is well!
I connect my monitor outputs to the patchbay, directly below that I have the inputs to my studio monitors in Normalled mode, meaning they are automatically connected to the monitor outputs directly above without needing to patch. Then when I need to connect my master buss hardware I do that via a hardware insurer in my DAW and physically patch if necessary.
By wiring my outputs and monitors through the patchbay and if I need to record audio from my computer, I can simply patch that and route to my DAW.
I will ask again I have a motive for interface for my computer but somethings not working correctly so I’m just gonna go on this analog trip until it hits the task him 788 which was given to me by a friend who was a musician for years. I’m 56 he was 63 - 64 … somewhere in there. Anyway so I’ve got the task and 788 I’ve got a mow 24 I have a power pro plus Behringer mike amplifier and I just bought a set of speakers for all of this stuff to go on to my production studio desk I also bought an LVL 2404 harbinger mixer and each channel has a compression button and a knob to go with that compression button. I also have an octave 22 channel equalizer. What comes first and how do I hook this thing up without screwing it up? Because, I’m used to analogEverything since a while back in the 80s or actually what’s than that in the 70s. It took trial and error to get things right I A Rhythm and lead guitarist I also just bought Alesis drum kit. which is great because I can plug right from the unit attached to it into the recording unit itself. However because of time passing I do not understand how to hook these things up from start to finish. So if you couldn’t track what I said just read through it one more time and I hope that you can answer my question at lyric710.ls@gmail.com.I appreciate any help you can give me.. oh and I’m also a bass guitarist acoustic player singer songwriter becoming a pretty decent drummer now and a pretty decent keyboard player. But I need to know how to hook the units up that is the recording set up itself and should I put the Motu in front of the power pro play from Behringer or should I just leave that aside and just plug right into the Behringer I’m not sure and I’d rather be short than screw something up. So Thank you for any help that you can give me please.
@BarryJohns How are you connecting mics to the patch bay?
I use a TT to XLR Cable
Great video. Any chance you would make your spreadsheet available for download? Also how do you handle phantom power from the mic pres through the patch bay - do you just ensure it’s off before connecting? Thanks
take a screenshot
Why not just get a Flock Patch? It’s fully analog other than the Digital GUI for the Software
It’s only 8 IO compared to 16, and you’re limited to using just 500 series.
@@BarryJohns how so? On the Flock only 500 series?
@@BarryJohns It being 500 based was enough to steer me away from the Flock. The Flock gear is quite good.
@ 7:15 Wait, wait… How are you going from UFX /O-1 back into I/-1 directly when tracking?
Where do the mic and preamp fit into this FX chain during tracking if you’ve already occupied the UFX’s preamp input? i .e. How are you getting a signal from the mic to compress in the first place?
Watch both of these videos on how to understand patchbays, specifically, patchbays that allow you to adjust what’s called normaling. This is explained in the videos.
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Also, remember on the RME unit, you simply choose whether you want to use the microphone preamp, or the line level input on the back via Totalmix. The line level inputs are ran to the patchbay. The microphone preamps are accessible with microphone cables, obviously, right.
Let me know if you have any further questions.
Can I accomplish good results if I just ran a ferrofish pulse 16 with a RME digiface box?
That's the route I'm thinking of taking, I don't see why not
I'm trying to connect my ID44 with the Ferrofish Pulse 16 whilst using a Patch bay. I'm all connected up with ADAT Optical cables [Clock sync ok] so am i correct in connecting the outputs of the Pulse 16 to the outputs of my Patch bay at the back & similarly inputs of Pulse to inputs of Patch bay, so my thinking is can then patch from front to eventually go through outboard gear once recorded. Having a few issues as Pulse outputs don't seem to send signal through Patch bay. I'm fine when I'm patching during tracking, so thinking maybe I'm not assigning this correctly in Reaper. Realinsert not working for me and not much chat on this in Forums so any help would be awesome.
Barry. Do you have your ferofish connected to your A/I via light pipe?
Am I getting this right: with this set up you can use both hardware inserts and patchbay seamlessly. I thought about doing a similar thing with a focusrite Scarlett… but this seems a lot better
The signal goes as follows. Ferrofish outputs to top row of the first half of the patchbay.
The inputs of the analog hardware are placed directly below the Ferrofish outputs. So if the patch a is set to Normaled, the. The source on the top of the patchbay (always outputs from devices) then the top row is connected to the top row without any patching.
The outputs of the hardware then are connected the the second half of the patchbay’s top row. The inputs to the Ferrofish are connected to the bottom row.
I recommend watching the how to wire a patchbay on my channel.
@@BarryJohns yep got all the patchbay stuff understood. But the ferofish, if you’re running it as a hardware insert, it should be plugged into the audio interface, no? So is it connected to the audio interface via Lightpipe?
@@SinkaneTV Your question is better framed this way if I'm understanding you. How does the Ferrofish get all the IO back and forth between the computer. There are two ways with the version I have. ADAT or MADI. Since I have an RME Fireface UFX+ that the Ferrofish is connected to, I use MADI. If you do not have a MADI rig, then via ADAT. You can do up to 32 channels of IO via ADAT at 44.1/44. There are also USB and Dante version available as well. Does that answer your question?
@@BarryJohns yes exactly. Thank you. This is a brilliant set up for both hardware insert and patchbay. I’ve been wondering how to set up this exact thing! Thank you! As always: you’re the best channel on UA-cam.
Hey Barry, I have some questions regarding your experience with Studio one. What would be the best way to get ahold of you?
Barryjohns@barryjohnsstudiotalk.com
Sent you an email a few days ago, just wanted to make sure you recieved it. Thanks again Barry!
How D Command works with Nuendo?
It doesn’t which is why I’m selling it. Actually pulled it this weekend and have been reconfiguring the desk for all rack gear.
Take the plunge and get a Flock Audio Patch. When you explained what you want to do, it sounded old school. Get with the future. Spend that money and you'll thank me later! #flockaudio
Watch my next video where I explain why I kicked this one over that for “my” needs. Very curious to hear from you after.
Cranborne 500ADAT
Although I find that unit very interesting, it’s not right for my application. For the cost of 1, I only get 8 channels of I/O and it’s “ Restricted” to just my 500 series. With the Pulse, I get 16 for less money and I can run anything through it.
Where I think the Craneborne is more compelling is if a person does not have a 500 series box, and need additional IO beyond their existing interface IO to add 500 series units, or maybe they sell their existing 500 lunchbox, and use that towards this unit.
Other than that, I don’t see the value. It’s cheaper to go with a Pule 16 regardless.