Series - Using Outboard Hardware - What Brands To Consider - Part II
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Drawmer makes some fantastic gear for the price as well. I would like to see you review some of their preamps and compressors as well.
This is great! I worked in the audio world a bit over 7 years ago and then never wanted to deal w it again. Im now starting to go back again but as a hobby. And let me tell you guys, technology moves FAST. Its nice to know about ‘old’ gear that is affordable. Great video. Thanks for all that info
For mic pres, I am using AML ez1073 pres in 500 series and can highly recommend them. Can be purchased in kit form or assembled by AML.
Klark Teknik was acquired by Music Tribe/ Uli Berhinger in 2009 and the main asset that Music Tribe reportedly desired was it's pro audio brand recognition. New products are developed and built the Behringer way. Some customers like their business practices and some dislike them.
Great analysis! Thanks for taking the time to help!
22:43 truth!!!! We build all tube EQ1a clones with hand wired and soldiered bread board electronics with solid state power supply or the original tube power supply , and with that being said I have bought their SSL bus compressor clone and their CV comp compressor. I LOVE Them. Also huge CAPI fan. Have A tone of CAPI pre's in my lunch boxes and and CAPI compressors along side my API compressors.
Yes! Distressor is a beast. Also love the Retro 176. Not entry but so worth it
This was just what I was looking for, great info and unbiased. Thank you so much for this episode!
Barry thanks again for all the help and knowledge!
I am a bedroom producer and just bought an ART Voice Channel used (mint) on Reverb. For what it does, I love the unit. Used, it was a great price and also sounds great on guitar.
Love your channel and your experience you share. Thank you sir.
A LOT of people really like that unit, it’s only snobbery that clouds the discussion as it has always competed above its
Price-point. Is tier better yes, so is life, can it sound great, hell yes. Search the web there are modding threads out there!
@@BarryJohns I agree 100%! Once I get more acclimated with the unit, I definitely plan on doing some mod's!
Barry’s Back!! Yaaaay!
Tell us about “Pro Tools Intro” when you get a chance if you don’t mind.
Thank You
Thank you for this incredible, and informative video 👏🏼👏🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼.
FYI Barry, Sweetwater’s used exchange has a Purple MC77 for a great price from a seller in Florida if you are in a position to rectify the mistake of selling yours.
I just recently got into Stam Audio with their brand new 500 series 1176 Blue Stripe (I received it in 4 days after making my final payment!) I put a preview video on my channel about it but so far from my testing, I think it sounds amazing! Really wanna try more of their gear now! Bae is another good company from my experience.
Hope you are doing well man!
Same here regarding BAE and Stam 500 series. I bought a WesAudio Mimas (1176) and Retro Doublewide II compressor, both of which I LOVE.
The GAP Comp2A is great, I own 2 I own 2 of the following WA gear: WA76, EQP-WA, WA412. (3) WA73-EQ, WA BUS COMP and WA87. Used DBX160X's are good as well. One brand that would fit in the range is Heritage Audio.
tap into other brands other than warm audio for a change ... stam audio is around the same price & (in my opinion) sounds better
@@msb1704 why? No need, the Warm Audio gear sounds great and is great quality.
Hello Barry, nice advices.
I really encourage you to get into GA a little more, I consider GA way better than warm audio. Their La2a is incredible. Also their clones of the 1073 mic pres are great.
I have APIs, Warms, GAPs, Wes, I’m happy with the sound of all, in their price range.
GAP is not in the same category of KT.
Thank you for your video, I’m following you!
Cheers
Hi Barry, love all your content thanks. This series has come at a great time for me as did your previous series of videos on hosted plugin hardware systems (UA, antelope etc) vs the new more powerful computers like Apple silicon. Just been going through a home studio upgrade over the last 2 years, as-and-when I have been able to afford it and this kind of input is invaluable as it helps frame some of the key questions I need to be asking and it can save me making costly mistakes.
I am a life-long guitarist, singer and songwriter and arranger and I have dabbled for my whole life in music production. So, I had good sound sources but the recording gear was getting pretty dated. This has meant for me upgrading (in no particular order): interface, monitors,mic, computer, acoustic treatment and physical desk.
I have got pretty serious and produced a lot of music since the pandemic hit and have gone deep down the mixing and mastering rabbit hole and tried many different techniques and some different software plugins but now I am starting to look ways at bringing new character and life to my recordings using analogue outboard gear, so again this series from you couldn’t have come at a better time.
I thought of starting with a budget analogue bus compressor and have been looking at the Warm Audio SSL clone. I noticed that whilst you mentioned Warm Audio’s 1176 and Opto compressors you didn’t mention this one in your rundown. It maybe cos you have leapfrogged this budget option in favour of higher quality alternatives but if you have any insight into this one then it would be good to hear it ( no worries if not, you did clearly say that you haven’t tried everything!) anyway I appreciate what you do on your channel. Keep up the great work!
Thanks a lot, it is much appreciated!
Thanks a lot, it is much appreciated!
Hi Barry! I own a BLA/Black Lion Audio B12A right now.. i haven't had a chance to use it yet, but I bought it because I can't afford the 'real deal' (in my opinion).. the API 3124v.. BLA was a grand, API is like $3500 these days.. geez! ouch! but yea.. i was sort of surprised to not see any mentions of the BLA brand on this video. I love all your videos/talks.. nothing but love for all you do, as you provide so much good/pro discussion.. the videos have become like a comfort thing for me, just to hear someone talking about the things i'm interested in for my budding home studio setup. I think the part that made me surprised was that the BLA logo was in the video still / photo right behind your head!.. haha. i thought 'oh, surely he will give his two cents on the BLA brand then..!' and i was genuinely curious to hear if you think BLA is good or bad, or mid-way/bleh.. lol.. totally not complaining, just more-so curious of your thoughts on the brand or wondering if you've dabbled or own any of their pieces. I have never owned a real API unit to compare the BLA one too, but they seem to have decent ratings and such. i have heard good and bad things, mostly good. i like that most of their stuff is made in Chicago, and also seems pretty solidly build, with metal knobs/panels, etc. I want to like Warm Audio so badly but i bought 2 units from them for a friend's studio, and BOTH had issues.. major ones where we had to send them back for repair/replacement. i must have gotten really unlucky with Warm, and i want to give them another chance. but anyways, thanks for all the cool content, man.. and i hope you survived Hurricane Ian with little to no damages to your livelihood and/or property! cheers, be safe and keep on streaming the goodness! :)
Thanks for the support, yes, I agree BLA is certainly a very very good company that makes very good gear. I should have mentioned them too.
@@BarryJohns no worries! thanks for the reply. BLA are very apparent in all the main shopping sites (sweetwater and thomann) so i just figured most users were digging what they do. i have yet to put my unit into good use, but plan to soon. good to know your opinion on the brand, and that you're into what they do! keep on keeping on, man.. thanks for everything!
Love the WA73! Recently switched to the AMS Neve 1073 and it certainly had an edge. But i will still always recommend warm audio to people! Had I not had experience with the warm audio stuff.. I wouldn’t appreciate the real deal as much
And that’s the way this stuff works, once you get a chance to appreciate the compared to in the box, then it only distinguishes itself more when you get into higher quality gear. That said, there is a line that I do believe where we need to balance things. I also have the WA73, as well as the heritage audio 73. I love both of those units.
@@BarryJohns What’s your favorite 1176 clone? I’m debating on a clone vs the UA. I’ve only had experience with the WA 1176 clone.
@@TylerRifleyOfficial I mentioned it in the video, Purple Audio MC77. I have not tried the Black Lion Audio one though and have heard great things about it.
And as you save....access analog hardware in the cloud! No different than running out/in your outboard gear.
I've been purchasing many Stam Audio units lately, there is something not that common about them which is that they actually mention the brands and origin of the main components they are using (transformers, capacitors, capsules, op amps, carbon resistors, nos tubes, etc.) which tells you they have nothing to hide in terms of quality. I would myself place them head by head with audioscape, or even at a higher rank with some units.
Thanks alot Barry
My pleasure
Hope you and your family are safe, Barry!
All good, still no pewter, but good!
Look into JLM audio as well.
The golden age new 2a and 3a is good. Sometimes I use it over my audioscape 2a
I love my Drawmer 1978 stereo tone shaping FET compressor.
I bought a Warm Audio Bus-comp2 (SSL g bus clone) and found that it had a terrible tilt boost from the mids up to the high frequencies. Completely unusable.
I have had such a rigmarole with sending it back for warranty, which is perhaps more of a problem in Australia.
I Haven’t even heard back from the distributor since it was sent there ages ago.
Whilst this is probably just an anomaly and bad luck with this particular unit, still worth noting that if you aren’t in the USA, Warm audio might not actually be the safest bet.
Thanks for your videos.
I have the audio scape LA2A it's great. Another great clone is chameleon labs 7603 great 1073 clone I be have the carnhill transformers in mine.
Could you do a Neve 1073 Battle series..”Legacy vs. Clones” (Rupert Neve Designs and AMS Neve vs. Warm, Heritage etc.)..I know there’s hundreds of videos here and there but a really detailed historical take with the preamp shootouts and maybe even interviews and commentary from RND personnel would be awesome..if at all possible🤓
Alctron 54 is a great neve 2254 clone. Can be had for $250-300
Lindell audio lin2a is supposed to be a better clone than warms what’s ur take cost wise they are the same or cheaper depending on region
Another great Article with lots of wisdom!!
Based in the UK, I have some Wesaudio and Tegeler hardware. Are you familiar with those brands?
Congrats Barry, you got popular fast!
Thanks man!!!
BAE... not mentioned but they make great Neve gear
They make the very best Neve style gear, that said, this a for folks just starting to take the plunge.
EL8X is a gem. MIKE-E (fullmod) is a sleeper especially w/ LIL-FREQ (fullmod).
How do you get the mod for the Mike e?
@@EvilPimpTheUndergroundKing hit up empirical labs support. Mod is done by them.
Barry, would you mind giving your honest opinion on coming OTB and potentially staying OTB all the way to mastering? Basically by tracking as you normally would, then running your signal into an analog summing mixer(neve or Dangerous), then into your bus comp (Warm Audio or Dangerous or whatever), but instead of returning back ITB, you send that ( with all of its glorious analog processing) to a hi def recorder such as the Tascam DA 3000, or the Tascam DR- 40X 4 channel, and then send that to mastering. I believe that it would really help new people (me 😊) to see a video of the “actual” steps in layman’s terms on how to go from tracking, to mixing, and ultimately into your bus processor( warm audio eq and bus comp for example) and then how to preserve the mix further by not returning to the box until after mastering. Your thoughts on this? And thank you so much for the videos. Very very informative. The Dangerous 2bus+ is on its way. And your thoughts on not returning ITB right away? Thanks, man
You can definitely do that, that said, whether it’s practical these days or not would be the question.
When you consider the challenges of recall, that puts a big burden on the process, if you have to go back and make a change to a mix down the road, when you’re totally mixing in the box.
It would be very difficult for me to dive into this in this situation, as there so many complexities to it. Feel free to email me, which could be easier.
Thanks, B Dog 🔥
The real question is...do you have the cohonas to commit to a sound with no or very limited recall? Some say that's the most creative way to go. Stuff sounds the same these days because recall is so easy.
Greetings Barry, would love to see you do a review on the Lin76 by Lindell Audio. I saw one impressive UA-cam review but would love your trusted opinion. Perhaps you could get Lindell to send you one at your audience request?? Thanks
Hi Barry, thanks for your advice! As I live in Brazil and I'm setting up my home studio from scratch, I can't afford high-quality equipment right now, so I need to stick with mid-level stuff. My idea is to set up a two channel rack for tracking, and keep the mixes ITB, and maybe getting something for the mixbus in the future. I'm mainly starting with Warm Audio, but I can also find some similarly priced Golden Age and Fredenstein gear here. By the way, do you have any thoughts on the last one (Fredenstein)? Thanks in advance!
I don’t have any experience with Fredenstein, but will look into it. Warm Audio will do you well.
The main two are Neve, API and Universal Audio. Wait, the top three are Neve, API, Universal Audio and SSL.
SSL certainly has it’s prominence, that said, it’s mostly known as a mixing desk where their choice of EQ bands, compression/Gate and the Master Buss processor, that’s where lineage is, not so much the tracking.
Are you going to address the new free Pro Tools Intro?
How are you with the wesaudio clones?
Haven’t used them
Do we really need this hardware processing madness? Anything you can do using hardware, can be achieved by using software - more or less. And the software can do much more than emulating hardware… Said with love for the music. 🙂
The answer is not only yes, but absolutely freaking yes. And I’m sorry brother I don’t mean to disagree with you, but I’m going to. Plug-ins can be great, they can do a good job, and for most people at home that’s really all most at home people need. But hardware sounds so, so, so, much better.
@@BarryJohns Magnificent Barry! I don't mind if we disagree. I have been in the studio business since 1974 and worked as a professional studio owner and studio technician through the 80s and am still active. Studio equipment is a tool for producing the sound you want. Your ears are your passport to success. How you get to the result is less important than the result itself. Thanks for good channel!
Thank you for your video Barry. Would a regular guy be able to upgrade the cheaper hardware, like.resoldering or changing potentiometers ?
I believe anyone can learn just about anything, that said, you’d want to get some soldering practice, but short answer would be yes. I’ve been doing it for years.
I believe it could be diminishing returns. Cost of parts and your labor might be better spent on something used that’s better quality.
@@BarryJohns How long to get into soldering? I got an iron, but the 1st tries didn't hold very well😞
@@pat-enz it’s like anything else it takes practice. The two fundamental things that are the most important, are making sure you’re tinning your wires or whatever you’re connecting as well as your soldering tip. I suggest buying a cheap circuitry board, with some various capacitors, in transistors, and just practice. You can pick one up for less than 10 bucks.
@@BarryJohns Umm I might do that! I have an Iron. Is there a specific kind of solder I should use?
How
Barry how are you doing
All good, not much sleep last night, but no damage, just a lot of vegetation to clear out.
@@BarryJohns Take care man