Few things: 1. If a mayday aircraft asks for a turn to the downwind, you better get them a turn to the downwind and not make them continue while you move traffic. Figure out how to turn them and move someone faster. 2. I had the same thoughts as that pilot, as I have had with other emergency videos. If a single engine, possibly damaged airliner is coming in to land on a mayday, don’t keep departing traffic to the point that wake turbulence is an issue. What if that aircraft has to reject takeoff? Clear the damn runway for this aircraft that cannot be given a go around. Jfc. 3. Cause more issues to… who? Because if a straight out is needed to avoid stalling the aircraft, it doesn’t matter what traffic lies ahead. Move the traffic.
If you do a straight out single engine missed approach on JFK Runway 31L/R, you are going straight towards the Manhattan skyline, and if you continue beyond that, traffic landing EWR. In this configuration, at least, you would not be in conflict with LGA traffic because they are overflying at 4,000 for Rwy. But those skyscrapers are still very much there.
Ndub1036 - I totally agree with all 3 of your points. Fortunately, it all ended well, but there were mistakes made by ATC and steps should be taken to learn from the mistakes.
@jayhsu2412 Everybody always remembers Capt. Sully (Sullenberger) on that flight, but nobody can recall the co-pilot’s name. I remember it because he is my cousin, but most people remember him as the guy who forgot to hit the “ditch switch” before they hit the water.🤣 I’m glad I’m not my cousin!!!
Really a jerk move from the controller. The crew asked to land prior to the departing A330 with wake turbulence and even told them they were an emergency aircraft. Still the controller didn't help, even when they went over missed approach procedures.
Totally agree. The crew has their hands full…why in the world would you ADD to their workload? Just to squeeze in another departure? I couldn’t believe that a controller would even consider such an action. Even when the pilot reminded her that he was emergency aircraft, she just didn’t seem to get it. I would certainly have called the tower after landing with some very choice words, but the crew made the right call not to pursue it in the air. I was actually expecting them to call missed approach, due to the heavy departure being jammed in front of them. I’d be curious to ask why they complicated the landing for an emergency aircraft. If they didn’t think it would affect the arrival aircraft, why even bother bringing up wake turbulence warning? Because they are REQUIRED to do so, and it’s for a good reason !!
@@hziembahappens often in emergencies and drives me nuts. If it’s an engine out bird strike like this where the aircraft could end up as a glider, runways need to be cleared off as soon as tower knows an emergency is inbound.
Classic Kennedy tower - that sequence was painful to listen to. Really bad idea to clear the A330 for takeoff on the cross before the emergency aircraft landed; good on the second tower controller for strongly recommending 220 - pilots seemed receptive and appreciative of that. Pilots did their best in a very stressful situation.
The United States experiences over 13,000 bird strikes annually, and the number has been increasing over the past 30 years. In 2022, the US reported 17,190 bird strikes, a 10% increase from 2021.
Yeah controller, he knew you were cautioning him about wake turbulence. He didn’t want a departing aircraft in front of him so he didn’t have to worry about it.
The controller either didn’t understand the implications of having a heavy taking off just prior to your arrival OR chose to ignore the concern of the emergency pilot. Neither possibility is acceptable. We don’t know if the heavy had already started the takeoff roll. Apparently the controller made no effort to cancel takeoff clearance. If the heavy pilot was already committed to the takeoff, he would just say UNABLE and continue his takeoff per the earlier clearance. Otherwise, he would have aborted takeoff and vacated the runway, before the wake turbulence would be generated.
Few things:
1. If a mayday aircraft asks for a turn to the downwind, you better get them a turn to the downwind and not make them continue while you move traffic. Figure out how to turn them and move someone faster.
2. I had the same thoughts as that pilot, as I have had with other emergency videos. If a single engine, possibly damaged airliner is coming in to land on a mayday, don’t keep departing traffic to the point that wake turbulence is an issue. What if that aircraft has to reject takeoff? Clear the damn runway for this aircraft that cannot be given a go around. Jfc.
3. Cause more issues to… who? Because if a straight out is needed to avoid stalling the aircraft, it doesn’t matter what traffic lies ahead. Move the traffic.
The 1 and 2 are good but the controller said if he needs to gain altitude it doesn't have to be a immediate turn
If you do a straight out single engine missed approach on JFK Runway 31L/R, you are going straight towards the Manhattan skyline, and if you continue beyond that, traffic landing EWR. In this configuration, at least, you would not be in conflict with LGA traffic because they are overflying at 4,000 for Rwy. But those skyscrapers are still very much there.
@@zachkoch3017 later did
@@MMcg7 bro you need a ruler more than anything
Ndub1036 - I totally agree with all 3 of your points. Fortunately, it all ended well, but there were mistakes made by ATC and steps should be taken to learn from the mistakes.
Good stuff. Keep them coming! Thanks.
Big flashbacks to US airways miracle over the hudson
@jayhsu2412 Everybody always remembers Capt. Sully (Sullenberger) on that flight, but nobody can recall the co-pilot’s name. I remember it because he is my cousin, but most people remember him as the guy who forgot to hit the “ditch switch” before they hit the water.🤣
I’m glad I’m not my cousin!!!
Really a jerk move from the controller. The crew asked to land prior to the departing A330 with wake turbulence and even told them they were an emergency aircraft. Still the controller didn't help, even when they went over missed approach procedures.
Totally agree. The crew has their hands full…why in the world would you ADD to their workload? Just to squeeze in another departure?
I couldn’t believe that a controller would even consider such an action. Even when the pilot reminded her that he was emergency aircraft, she just didn’t seem to get it. I would certainly have called the tower after landing with some very choice words, but the crew made the right call not to pursue it in the air.
I was actually expecting them to call missed approach, due to the heavy departure being jammed in front of them. I’d be curious to ask why they complicated the landing for an emergency aircraft. If they didn’t think it would affect the arrival aircraft, why even bother bringing up wake turbulence warning? Because they are REQUIRED to do so, and it’s for a good reason !!
@@hziemba absolutely agree
Seems like the departing A330 was already cleared for takeoff by the time AA1722 checked in on tower. They had plenty of space.
@@paddyohenry6428unless they reject takeoff and can’t exit the runway. Clear the runway for the mayday aircraft.
@@hziembahappens often in emergencies and drives me nuts. If it’s an engine out bird strike like this where the aircraft could end up as a glider, runways need to be cleared off as soon as tower knows an emergency is inbound.
Classic Kennedy tower - that sequence was painful to listen to. Really bad idea to clear the A330 for takeoff on the cross before the emergency aircraft landed; good on the second tower controller for strongly recommending 220 - pilots seemed receptive and appreciative of that. Pilots did their best in a very stressful situation.
Remember when you were an emergency aircraft and big airports could accommodate all your needs? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Looked text book to me , great job by the crew
The United States experiences over 13,000 bird strikes annually, and the number has been increasing over the past 30 years. In 2022, the US reported 17,190 bird strikes, a 10% increase from 2021.
@@pointreyes4272
I thought there were programs in place to keep birds away from airports…maybe they need to be enhanced.
I think they need a CATS program!
Does anyone feel bad for the birds?
This did happen on December 12 ?
Yeah controller, he knew you were cautioning him about wake turbulence. He didn’t want a departing aircraft in front of him so he didn’t have to worry about it.
The controller either didn’t understand the implications of having a heavy taking off just prior to your arrival OR chose to ignore the concern of the emergency pilot. Neither possibility is acceptable. We don’t know if the heavy had already started the takeoff roll. Apparently the controller made no effort to cancel takeoff clearance. If the heavy pilot was already committed to the takeoff, he would just say UNABLE and continue his takeoff per the earlier clearance. Otherwise, he would have aborted takeoff and vacated the runway, before the wake turbulence would be generated.
@@hziemba they should of known they had an emergency inbound aircraft.
Typical female controller. Not surprising in the least.
sully 2.1 on a mighty a321
Why is my post getting deleted?
UA-cam is deleting my link to X that shows the video from the passenger. It doesn’t look like a bird.
Wanna see it
I'm not sure. It must be something UA-cam is doing. There is nothing in my held comments section.
I think I'd stop taking flights from LGA to Charlotte 😅😅😅
Comptroller was an idiot and risked 200 lives and should be fired.