So beautiful memories man. First time i play starcraft was in 2000 ? and Since 2005, on iccup i just kept played for 4 years until sc2 show up, something like that. So well made game. I've watched some FPVODS made of Bisu and i can say .....oh man, is just imposible to move like that but whatever... we are not Bisu =)
Short duration, costs a lot of mana (you can’t cast two in a row without an upgrade), and most enemies can just move out from under it with no trouble. You very occasionally see it used in pro PvT to shut down mass siege tanks, but arbiter with stasis field is usually a better choice for this.
Nubia Anima Maybe, but I think in PvZ you would usually want your Corsairs to be focusing on overlords so that your observers don’t get wiped out and you can actually find lurkers. The biggest argument against disruption web is probably the cost of getting it. You can build Corsairs right away (and most players in PvZ do) but you can’t make the most of disruption web unless you have a fleet beacon (300m/200g) so you can research the tech itself (200/200) and then research the energy upgrade (100/100). For that price you could just buy four more Corsairs and have a better chance at air dominance. All this on a structure that you probably don’t want to build to begin with because it’s only other use is carriers which aren’t super good in PvZ.
Azathoth117 I know disruption web is a quite high investment but if you already have over 10 corsairs using tha bility, of which you can use two with full energy (And all are always at full energy) could really wreck the zerg, considering most their army is lurkers and you only need a moment to cast; it also would make pushes into sunkens easier.
I was wondering who was oj at the corner lmao. I saw the Terran population going down and saw the CC float to the corner also the SCV until you said it was Effort observing. XD
I cannot understand why the Protoss player doesn't take advantage of the Corsair's Disruption Web ability. Like a reverse dark swarm. Makes hydras and spore colonies worthless. Especially defense structures. Could be using that in conjunction with High Templar storm or Reavers or making attacks against bases without taking hits. In fact would be useful to see it more in games. Corsair is more agile than a Defiler after all.
Really terrible game by Zero. At no point did he even attempt any counterplay in the form of drops/side skirmishes/distractions against Bisu and only defended, defended, defended against Bisu's relentless assaults and drops, even when they were somewhat equally matched in terms of supply. The surest way to lose.
0:45 he's observing because he got tired of playing, and wants to chill out by watching his buddies play. u get tired after 10 1v1s, and play random games like observer madness... good days...
because the production is slow and costly,if against the zery,protoss and terran will never ever use carriers due to easily die by scourage in my point of view
Feel like you can improve your depth of cast like zero used Ovie to see his +1 air weapon and immediately started +1 carapace to respond and you missed it..
Protoss without effective reaver and templar management will lose 100% of ground battles...protoss ground units are the weakest. .zerg better...terran easily more cost effective
The toss player lost alot of zealots and goons. He forgot carriers and more dark templar. Maybe a few more canons in the expanded bases. The zerg player with mutalisks could had change the game a bit he lost alot of zerglings. If you are winning the economy just mass spam carriers and canons. Maybe more archons zealots looked like they don't do well against hydra and lurkers. Why protoss afraid of zergling rush? Has anyone notice why you do air control to destroy overlords? Zealots cheap units losing against lurkers plus hydralisks. That is why you guys just spam goons instead of doing heavy units. Dt shuttle is much more effective than zealots and shuttle.
I guess for a beginner protoss can be more forgiving, but the game is balanced once a player is good enough.. Is that not what you would prefer of a game?
not really because it seems that the game is balanced when you are a korean savant playing the game 12 hours a day. when i used to play this back in the day, i was playing for a couple of years straight and terran was always a challenge... Everything is so fragile.. watching the top players is very misleading. They would throw dark swarm into my tank line and just burst right through me. To have everything in perfect placement, micro'ing while macro'ing like crazy takes a lot of skill.. So unless you are playing this game hours and hours and hours a day most people will just be protoss or zerg. .. id say the majority will have more success with protoss.
that failed overlord drop was the gg moment
Bisu built a protoss gateway while micro moving a scout probe around two zerglings! How do they multi-task like that?? This game is crazy!
21:52 this hurt my soul to watch
Such an insane PvZ. As expected from top tier pro-gamers.
Love your remastered broadcast replays!
Gotta say, Zero still lasted a lot longer than he could. Admirable.
When the random High Templar gets killed at 33:00 and Falcon and I laughed at the same moment is when I knew I loved this channel lmao
This was such a satisfying game to watch! Bisu is a monster. Thank you, Falcon!
Hey, you're welcome! Wow, you found a 5-year-old cast of mine. Going through the Bisu playlist?
@@FalconPaladin Yeah man, I watch whatever the algorithm suggests. But I do tend to make a B-line for Bisu casts.
This match has the most amount of drone kills I've seen. Just a total massacre.
jeez, what a great replay and cast! thx FalPal
So beautiful memories man. First time i play starcraft was in 2000 ? and Since 2005, on iccup i just kept played for 4 years until sc2 show up, something like that. So well made game. I've watched some FPVODS made of Bisu and i can say .....oh man, is just imposible to move like that but whatever... we are not Bisu =)
30:53 "this game is getting an epic tag" game gets no epic tag :(
Huh, I DID say that, didn't I? Hmm. Do you still think it should have an epic tag? If so, I'll add it.
Show more player perspective!!
I love Shakuras tileset
Bisu makes Toss look so OP.
Isn't there the usual triangle of "Protoss good against Zerg, which is good against Terran, which is good against Protoss?"
Another great Broodwar vid! Think you could do a solid best of 5 series?
Have you seen this one? ua-cam.com/video/CK3Wzl_8AQc/v-deo.html
@@FalconPaladin ive watched every brood war video you've put out so far, lol
Where were the ultralisks?
Beautiful game on beautiful map.
Macro is immaculate... And build at the same time?!??!!!.. ... Unbelievable at least
lol I think Falcon called the group of Corsairs a group of Defilers, hahaha, what an insult!
Does Disruption Web stop lurkers from attacking? seems like a massive missed opportunity.
Pros never use web. I think it has to do with how short a time it lasts. It does work vs. lurkers, though.
Magic like storm overrides armor
bisu was just playing around
24:00 carapace doesn't do anything vs storms
True fact!
wheres the epic tag ???
Storm just so OP sometimes, don’t think Zerg attacked into one base.......
why no protoss player uses disruption web?? is it a very bad idea??
I really don't know, other than the fact that it doesn't last very long.
Short duration, costs a lot of mana (you can’t cast two in a row without an upgrade), and most enemies can just move out from under it with no trouble. You very occasionally see it used in pro PvT to shut down mass siege tanks, but arbiter with stasis field is usually a better choice for this.
Azathoth117 it would be good vs lurkers and allow to take them down by zealots. They can't move. Also corsair energy not used for anything else.
Nubia Anima Maybe, but I think in PvZ you would usually want your Corsairs to be focusing on overlords so that your observers don’t get wiped out and you can actually find lurkers. The biggest argument against disruption web is probably the cost of getting it. You can build Corsairs right away (and most players in PvZ do) but you can’t make the most of disruption web unless you have a fleet beacon (300m/200g) so you can research the tech itself (200/200) and then research the energy upgrade (100/100). For that price you could just buy four more Corsairs and have a better chance at air dominance. All this on a structure that you probably don’t want to build to begin with because it’s only other use is carriers which aren’t super good in PvZ.
Azathoth117 I know disruption web is a quite high investment but if you already have over 10 corsairs using tha bility, of which you can use two with full energy (And all are always at full energy) could really wreck the zerg, considering most their army is lurkers and you only need a moment to cast; it also would make pushes into sunkens easier.
I was wondering who was oj at the corner lmao. I saw the Terran population going down and saw the CC float to the corner also the SCV until you said it was Effort observing. XD
what an amazing game!
Bisu is on military service? This vod is new?
No, this particular replay isn’t a current game. It’s from 2010/2011.
I cannot understand why the Protoss player doesn't take advantage of the Corsair's Disruption Web ability. Like a reverse dark swarm. Makes hydras and spore colonies worthless. Especially defense structures. Could be using that in conjunction with High Templar storm or Reavers or making attacks against bases without taking hits. In fact would be useful to see it more in games. Corsair is more agile than a Defiler after all.
Really terrible game by Zero. At no point did he even attempt any counterplay in the form of drops/side skirmishes/distractions against Bisu and only defended, defended, defended against Bisu's relentless assaults and drops, even when they were somewhat equally matched in terms of supply.
The surest way to lose.
he din mastered the swamp like jaedong,so the army soft like tauhu right?
Let's get some Neeb games!!!
Isn't he in SC2?
Yes he is, but I'd still love to see him more on this channel.
I love your voice =)
are we sure this is bisu / zero? The apm seems a bit low
Got this in a Bisu replaypack, and this is the smurf list.
liquipedia.net/starcraft/Smurf/List
That's all I know.
onlystar is for sure Bisu, just look at old FPVODS out there on youtube, it's him.
0:45 he's observing because he got tired of playing, and wants to chill out by watching his buddies play. u get tired after 10 1v1s, and play random games like observer madness... good days...
I thought remastered has a spectator mode already?
This was back in 2012. :)
If your attacking into a zerg wall, wouldn't dweb be a great way to kill it for free??
Yes but you need to build a fleet beacon, then research dweb first. It's too big of an investment for most protoss.
Why pro players don't use Carriers/Battlecruisers/Mutas when they can build lots ? (Sorry, noob here)
because the production is slow and costly,if against the zery,protoss and terran will never ever use carriers due to easily die by scourage in my point of view
no ultras no win
He forgot mutalisks and waste less zerglings. Instead only hydralisk only and mutalisks.
17:24 😖😆😂🥳
Is this your secind video today?..
epic
Gogo
I love to see Zerg loosing against Protoss!
Rarely get to see wins vs Zerg lol
The jobless corsair match.
ok, i'm going to make a prediction...bisu is going to win. I'm not his fan, in fact I quite dislike him, but his pvz is just too op.
First
First!
Zero tiene un pobre control, q bruto
scarabs doing splash damage under dark swarm is not fair
Feel like you can improve your depth of cast like zero used Ovie to see his +1 air weapon and immediately started +1 carapace to respond and you missed it..
Protoss without effective reaver and templar management will lose 100% of ground battles...protoss ground units are the weakest. .zerg better...terran easily more cost effective
The toss player lost alot of zealots and goons. He forgot carriers and more dark templar. Maybe a few more canons in the expanded bases. The zerg player with mutalisks could had change the game a bit he lost alot of zerglings. If you are winning the economy just mass spam carriers and canons. Maybe more archons zealots looked like they don't do well against hydra and lurkers. Why protoss afraid of zergling rush? Has anyone notice why you do air control to destroy overlords? Zealots cheap units losing against lurkers plus hydralisks. That is why you guys just spam goons instead of doing heavy units. Dt shuttle is much more effective than zealots and shuttle.
Zero noob jaja wtfffffff
7 25 those zealots wouldve ended my gameas azerg player. Protoss didnt target the creep colony? Lol in my games as a zerg vs toss bro.
I hate Bisu
Don't worry, he is going to the military and may die in a war against NK.
Why do you hate him?
storm spell trumps everything.. except flash. Are you having a difficult time finding games where protoss DOESN"T win?
I am not.
The races in SC1 are extremely balanced. So its either co-incidence or Mr Falcon prefers that :)
I don't know about that.. Maybe its balanced if you are at the level of a flash.. Terran is very difficult to use in SC1.
I guess for a beginner protoss can be more forgiving, but the game is balanced once a player is good enough.. Is that not what you would prefer of a game?
not really because it seems that the game is balanced when you are a korean savant playing the game 12 hours a day. when i used to play this back in the day, i was playing for a couple of years straight and terran was always a challenge... Everything is so fragile.. watching the top players is very misleading. They would throw dark swarm into my tank line and just burst right through me. To have everything in perfect placement, micro'ing while macro'ing like crazy takes a lot of skill.. So unless you are playing this game hours and hours and hours a day most people will just be protoss or zerg. .. id say the majority will have more success with protoss.