I was watching Nelson engine's talking about all his supercharger builds vs Turbos and he said a supercharger destroys bearings do to lots of harmonics from the belt drive and cuts the life in half compared to Turbos. But I'm about to boost my new SS camaro
yeah he's not wrong. Over time, adding any boost going to wear things out quicker. SC's are harder on the motor but if you build the motor correctly to sustain the power, generally the extra wear is not a huge concern. Cheap, Fast or Reliable, pick 2 lol.
Main Reason I didn't get a pro charger : the screw was easier to put on loll, I would love a pro charger but I didn't like having to wait for the power to hit at high rpm
I'm looking into a procharger also ..im in cali ..which procharger is this. Need one for a 5th gen 13 ss l99 any suggestions or where can buy something like yours..?
I keep going back to this video since it helped me pick the setup I wanted. Got the 50 state like you had on this car. I'm actually all modded out with my build making 675whp. I did a little more than you did but my real question is now that you have had both which one do you really like? I've driven a roots style and I like the torque hit late in the power than the instant. They both put you in the seat the same but that continual pull is everything to me.
I was torn on a used 6th gen ZL1 vs an SS. It’s going to be a second vehicle for fun. I’ve built motors and supercharged hemis in the past, but I’ve decided I’m going to pick up a 16-18 SS manual and I’m going to pro charge it with this kit. 675whp is extremely good. What other mods did you do and is it on the stock block or did you upgrade the pistons/rods? I don’t want to build a motor again (Im not opposed to a cam or better heads I just don’t want to tear the bottom end apart and send it to a machine shop) I just want to slap on a kit like this and get good numbers at the wheels.
@@DB22_2SS1LE thanks, it seems anything over 580whp on this platform requires the LT4 fueling system upgrade. I know a TON of guys on this platform run E85 or Methanol injection because the gains are great, but I really want to have my build be just straight 93 pump gas. I think the pro charger paired with better fueling and a custom tune I should be able to break 600whp.
If I could do it all over again I would have gone all motor with my LS1 T/A, adding the Vortech SC added 65 lbs over the nose of the car, affecting weight transfer and handling (already front heavy), if I were to go FI route I would do the twin turbo over the rear axle route (putting the weight added over the rear). LSX doesn't need Forced Induction, I've seen videos of 2018 Camaro's dynoing 500 with heads, cam and longtubes, that's plenty of power for the street.
Supercharger especially Whipple will give you ton of low rpm and midrange torque but then when rpm reaches above 5000 it starts to fall on its face. With Procharger you get flatter torque curve over the rpm range and power also keeps building up. My suggestion is do a cam setup and then procharge it. You will have a 800-900 hp monster truck!
Building my pro charger kit now with my local shop. I’m doing the exact same setup as you, a pro charger with the factory intake, helical gears, upgraded intercooler. My cars a completely stock 2018 2SS 6 speed. My question for you is what head unit did you go with? I’m assuming the stock air box only goes with the P1SC, but I wasn’t sure.
Nice video bro a person online TikTok recommended me this video and recommended me looking into a pro charger for my 300 so I’m definitely gonna do more research!!!
Are there really people that don’t know that a procharger is just a brand of a blower? It’s no different than any other centri supercharger. You just saying it’s kind of a turbo makes you sound ignorant honestly. Nice ride though!
Are there really people that don’t know a blower is a roots supercharger? It definitely is not the same as a centri. You saying a centri supercharger is a blower makes you sound ignorant honestly. Thanks for that compliment though!
The Root's and similar style Superchargers sit in the valley between the heads. Some say that's not an ideal location for a blower because its sitting in a location where there's lots of heat. And the idea is to get the forced air in as cool as possible(cooler air is more dense). That's the purpose of the intercooler. So with a Roots style blower you may be partially defeating the purpose by its heat prone location. The Procharger's location off to the side is in a less heated area. The look of the Roots style installation looks symmetrical and neat, but from a scientific theoretical point of view the Procharger concept is more logical. Some install two smaller Procgargers. One for each bank of the V-8 but then you have more modifications to the intake system. Also some get the best of both a turbocharger and a supercharger by installing them together. I believe Volvo did some of their cars like that from the factory.
We are running these bad boys and see what happens. :) I'll leave the C7 at home but I would LOVE to see how my Maggie stacks up to your Pro Charger. I am going to bet it is very close. Traction is going to hurt both of us. Car looks amazing brother!
*I said Positive Displacement and meant it interchangeably with Roots, Twin Screw, etc.* I hope this helps some of you understand ProChargers more clearly. Subscribe!
No a pro charger is just a normal supercharger ain't no different then a vortech or paxton there all centrifugal super chargers... pro charger is just a company name thats all..
I think for the average person, a supercharger is something "like a hellcat" .. Most ppl know nothing about centrifugal superchargers & assume it's a positive displacement kinda deal.. I usually have to explain my blower, at least a little bit.
Extremely good explanation, you're the 4th UA-cam video I watch today about superchargers and turbo charger kits and you did the best man. Thank you for the good content 👍🏼
No A procharger or super charger, are not the same even close to being turbo like, Like you said Turbos run off of Exhaust flow, Turbos have no engine power lost, A crank driven Procharger, some people say is a inefficient way to make power due to it takes your motor 20 Hp of the motor HP numbers , and Prochargers , also , put more lode , on a mother vs like Gm uses a intake style super charger in there c7 ZR1 cars couse a on top super charger, don't put much to non at all, Lode on a motor vs Turbos , But they wk really good, and make good power, But a turbo car gets faster up in the RPM range lests say 3400-6000 RPM as example, the more RPM, a turbo motors truns , the faster and harder, the exhaust gas will , spool truns that turbo. That's why when it comes to , Grudge Racing , 1/8 or 1/4 , mile race, a turbo car will cm around you, especially in the 1000ft and 1/4 mile race. Ok I gave Facts , still like how you went in to detail, on your set up. God Gm Ls Lt FTW 🙏🏾
No power loss with turbo in exhaust! That’s bs. All super chargers have some sort of power loss to operate, they just produce so much power you don’t notice. So a wives tale is turbo chargers do not consume power but this is not true. A turbo in the exhaust has back pressure as a power loss. This is know as turbo lag. Any time you put a restriction in the exhaust you will get this but the power gain overrides this loss just as it does with supercharger or pro charger. You point is moot sir.
I was watching Nelson engine's talking about all his supercharger builds vs Turbos and he said a supercharger destroys bearings do to lots of harmonics from the belt drive and cuts the life in half compared to Turbos. But I'm about to boost my new SS camaro
yeah he's not wrong. Over time, adding any boost going to wear things out quicker. SC's are harder on the motor but if you build the motor correctly to sustain the power, generally the extra wear is not a huge concern. Cheap, Fast or Reliable, pick 2 lol.
Nice man, I am 100% with you on this. I am actually planning to put a procharger in my charger for the same reasons. Great vid.
Main Reason I didn't get a pro charger : the screw was easier to put on loll, I would love a pro charger but I didn't like having to wait for the power to hit at high rpm
Move, get the hell out of Crapafornia! It's not a 50-state legal kit... it's a 49-state legal kit.
great video good energy in explaining thast what i want is a procharger
Your pro charger looks clean. I don’t like the ones that sit off to the side either.
Agreed 💯
Why bypass it? At low rpms it will help with mpg
Great video! How much boost is safe for these cars? Have you had any issues with the front seal getting blown out? Thank you.
There us no better feeling than a turbo coming on boost.
I'm looking into a procharger also ..im in cali ..which procharger is this. Need one for a 5th gen 13 ss l99 any suggestions or where can buy something like yours..?
I just drive my car during the winter… same difference right 🤣🤣
Magnusson builds the ZL1 superchargers. That's the only one I'd ever consider, and I'm considering it now.
Any recommendations for pro/super charger for 2ss that wont break the bank?
I keep going back to this video since it helped me pick the setup I wanted. Got the 50 state like you had on this car. I'm actually all modded out with my build making 675whp. I did a little more than you did but my real question is now that you have had both which one do you really like? I've driven a roots style and I like the torque hit late in the power than the instant. They both put you in the seat the same but that continual pull is everything to me.
supercharger gives you instant power which helps you
I was torn on a used 6th gen ZL1 vs an SS. It’s going to be a second vehicle for fun. I’ve built motors and supercharged hemis in the past, but I’ve decided I’m going to pick up a 16-18 SS manual and I’m going to pro charge it with this kit. 675whp is extremely good. What other mods did you do and is it on the stock block or did you upgrade the pistons/rods? I don’t want to build a motor again (Im not opposed to a cam or better heads I just don’t want to tear the bottom end apart and send it to a machine shop) I just want to slap on a kit like this and get good numbers at the wheels.
@pgr0104 Meth and lt4 fueling everything I've done is bolt on no internal work done.
@@DB22_2SS1LE thanks, it seems anything over 580whp on this platform requires the LT4 fueling system upgrade. I know a TON of guys on this platform run E85 or Methanol injection because the gains are great, but I really want to have my build be just straight 93 pump gas. I think the pro charger paired with better fueling and a custom tune I should be able to break 600whp.
@pgr0104 go with the P1X and the lt4 fueling and you'll get there.
How much power are you making? Just curious. Have a new SS1LE. looking around.
Still looking for that whipple whine 🤩 gonna make it happen when the car comes back. She’s not totaled so just gotta wait for her to come back home.
that's what's up my man! pretty hard to beat that Whipple whine no doubt
If I could do it all over again I would have gone all motor with my LS1 T/A, adding the Vortech SC added 65 lbs over the nose of the car, affecting weight transfer and handling (already front heavy), if I were to go FI route I would do the twin turbo over the rear axle route (putting the weight added over the rear). LSX doesn't need Forced Induction, I've seen videos of 2018 Camaro's dynoing 500 with heads, cam and longtubes, that's plenty of power for the street.
Made me think about having a procharger over the Whipple supercharger for my 2023 chevrolet suburban 6.2L
Supercharger especially Whipple will give you ton of low rpm and midrange torque but then when rpm reaches above 5000 it starts to fall on its face. With Procharger you get flatter torque curve over the rpm range and power also keeps building up. My suggestion is do a cam setup and then procharge it. You will have a 800-900 hp monster truck!
Building my pro charger kit now with my local shop. I’m doing the exact same setup as you, a pro charger with the factory intake, helical gears, upgraded intercooler. My cars a completely stock 2018 2SS 6 speed. My question for you is what head unit did you go with? I’m assuming the stock air box only goes with the P1SC, but I wasn’t sure.
How much hp did you get from the pro?
Nice video bro a person online TikTok recommended me this video and recommended me looking into a pro charger for my 300 so I’m definitely gonna do more research!!!
Are there really people that don’t know that a procharger is just a brand of a blower? It’s no different than any other centri supercharger. You just saying it’s kind of a turbo makes you sound ignorant honestly. Nice ride though!
Are there really people that don’t know a blower is a roots supercharger? It definitely is not the same as a centri. You saying a centri supercharger is a blower makes you sound ignorant honestly. Thanks for that compliment though!
@@ZtZoomin since when is the slang term blower only referring to PD blowers?
The Root's and similar style Superchargers sit in the valley between the heads. Some say that's not an ideal location for a blower because its sitting in a location where there's lots of heat. And the idea is to get the forced air in as cool as possible(cooler air is more dense). That's the purpose of the intercooler.
So with a Roots style blower you may be partially defeating the purpose by its heat prone location. The Procharger's location off to the side is in a less heated area. The look of the Roots style installation looks symmetrical and neat, but from a scientific theoretical point of view the Procharger concept is more logical.
Some install two smaller Procgargers. One for each bank of the V-8 but then you have more modifications to the intake system.
Also some get the best of both a turbocharger and a supercharger by installing them together. I believe Volvo did some of their cars like that from the factory.
love your energy in all the vids dawg, got me a 6th gen ss too, how much did that kit run you all in all?
preciate it! 💯 💯
Lol that's wats up bro....I been hearing that the procharger hand held tuner be having problems...how did it drive
Canned tunes are pretty hit and miss. But I was one of the firsts with this specific kit so my story is a little different than most
Great Video Bro! Cheers from Houston :)
this helps so much, im planning on boosting a gr86 and im between supercharged, procharged or turbocharged
We are running these bad boys and see what happens. :) I'll leave the C7 at home but I would LOVE to see how my Maggie stacks up to your Pro Charger. I am going to bet it is very close. Traction is going to hurt both of us. Car looks amazing brother!
For sure we are! And thank you! It’ll be interesting to see how they match up for sure. You’ve got that smaller pulley also
can I install one of these if I has a CAI or should I put my stock air box back on?
Man love your video's I find them very informative. KEEP THEM ROLLING BABY!!! PEACE BIG DOGG
Preciate it my man!!! 💯
Have you seen a kennebell supercharger it's awesome
Great vid
It’s an engine, not a motor.
Lol. Reminds me of when I used to work at a tire shop. The manager always said, "It's called a wheel, not a rim".
After u put on the pro charger what kinda hp and torque are u pushing
What part of Kali you in bro?
Very informative appreciate it fan liked n subscribed im gonna procharge my lt4
*I said Positive Displacement and meant it interchangeably with Roots, Twin Screw, etc.*
I hope this helps some of you understand ProChargers more clearly.
Subscribe!
Where did you get your pro charger. I agree with you I don’t like the other one.
Great info brother. You gave great information. Right to the point. How do you afford this?
all i hear is dont live in cali
Was Good G do you have the link to where you purchased your pro charger from
No a pro charger is just a normal supercharger ain't no different then a vortech or paxton there all centrifugal super chargers... pro charger is just a company name thats all..
Pro charger is just the house hold name
I think for the average person, a supercharger is something "like a hellcat" .. Most ppl know nothing about centrifugal superchargers & assume it's a positive displacement kinda deal.. I usually have to explain my blower, at least a little bit.
Thanks for the helpful info man.
Mind sharing cost of pro charger kit brand new?
Where did u get the procharger? What website?
Link?
Good work, very informative
Did you end up loading the hand held tune that came with the procharger kit...or got a custom tune
Long story but I loaded it. I uploaded the whole tuning saga
A lot cheaper aslo
Where are you from?
They read those ecus now here. Fucking bs. Trying to figure out what way to go with my c7
Extremely good explanation, you're the 4th UA-cam video I watch today about superchargers and turbo charger kits and you did the best man. Thank you for the good content 👍🏼
California is such a hater fr
Too long please get to the point
Great video
No A procharger or super charger, are not the same even close to being turbo like, Like you said Turbos run off of Exhaust flow, Turbos have no engine power lost, A crank driven Procharger, some people say is a inefficient way to make power due to it takes your motor 20 Hp of the motor HP numbers , and Prochargers , also , put more lode , on a mother vs like Gm uses a intake style super charger in there c7 ZR1 cars couse a on top super charger, don't put much to non at all, Lode on a motor vs Turbos , But they wk really good, and make good power, But a turbo car gets faster up in the RPM range lests say 3400-6000 RPM as example, the more RPM, a turbo motors truns , the faster and harder, the exhaust gas will , spool truns that turbo. That's why when it comes to , Grudge Racing , 1/8 or 1/4 , mile race, a turbo car will cm around you, especially in the 1000ft and 1/4 mile race. Ok I gave Facts , still like how you went in to detail, on your set up. God Gm Ls Lt FTW 🙏🏾
No power loss with turbo in exhaust! That’s bs. All super chargers have some sort of power loss to operate, they just produce so much power you don’t notice. So a wives tale is turbo chargers do not consume power but this is not true. A turbo in the exhaust has back pressure as a power loss. This is know as turbo lag. Any time you put a restriction in the exhaust you will get this but the power gain overrides this loss just as it does with supercharger or pro charger. You point is moot sir.
Turbo do lose power back pressure heavier parts stronger parts
You can't even spell load correctly, so your argument is invalid. Plus, you're wrong, too, lol
Have you guys heard of turbo lag? Huh 😂
The battle rages forever Turbo , super charged, nitrous. Top fuel funny cars use superchargers and nothing is coming around them at 300 mph hello!!!
Love your videos homie... very informative