I spent the extra $15 for a 10900 over a 10900F. $15 for quicksync and an "emergency" gpu is WELL worth it. Edit - I see you covered these points and the pricing. Excellent on point video as always! Thanks
It’s the one thing I miss about when I moved to Ryzen from Skylake. For some of those horrific to record instances, letting OBS max out an iGPU you aren’t using is much more pleasant than spending ages messing with settings getting it to record right via standard x264.
This has always been Intel's biggest advantage. They always had IGPUs on nearly every CPU since 1st core ix gen IIRC and those doesn't interfere with PCIE lanes like Ryzen G APUs.
Except the APUs are kind of bigger and more gaming oriented not saying it doesn't do help productivy but adds a little GPU performance to a dGPU For example: The Ryzen 5 5600G(my favorite example) is the best PCIE 3.0 CPU classed with something such as an RTX 2060 Super (PCIE 3.0 x16 PCIE lanes) is an adequate budget build May I remind you the gpu must be PCIE 3.0 to take full advantage of the CPU I chose the RTX 20 Series for features such as ray tracing, DLSS 2.0 and etc.
Well that's because Ryzen Apus are actually mobile parts repurposed for desktop use. That's why they don't come with as many lanes as their "GPU-less" siblings (1st gen and 2nd gen zen) or only compatible with pcie 3.0 instead of 4.0 (3rd and 4th gen zen). Actually, quick sync is a beast of a feature. My old laptop is actually faster at rendering h264 video than my gaming Ryzen machine with rx480 in Vegas (that supports opencl acceleration via the Radeon graphics as well). The catch is, the quality and size of the output video is actually a bit worse than on the Ryzen machine. With quick sync in quality mode, it's pretty similar. We are talking laptop 15w CPU from 2015 vs 1st gen Ryzen desktop with 150w Radeon GPU from 2018!! AMD needs to work on software support for hardware decoding/encoding!!
@@adrianafamilymember6427 or you can get one with more cores... i thought Ryzen was suppose to blow intel away for streaming? not sure about transcoding but does quicksync beat a 12 or 16 core ryzen w/ an nvidia 3070?
Does the heat generated by the iGPU add up the the heat of CPU? You know, Intel processors have built-in thermal protection. If the processor gets too hot, the built-in protection slows down (throttling) the processor. The presence of an extra heat source will lower the threshold that triggers the throttling. I wonder if this affects overall performance.
I'm so glad you made this video. Most of the big UA-camrs just seem to almost ignore the perks of Quicksync to the point that I feel like people aren't even aware of it and its benefits. Cheers! I also feel like a lot of people either applaud AMD for not charging us for an iGPU we don't want, or are mad at AMD for not giving us the iGPU we want, whereas I think Intel does this really nicely by giving the option to save a buck and go without, or go with an iGPU. The only downside is that the extra cost for the iGPU has gone up from €10-15 to €25, but honestly for a mere €10 discount I don't think anyone should buy an F-sku CPU.
interesting usage with the entire 2nd setup dock usage! Also, have been wanting to know more about modern QSV encoding in OBS. What I like about that is that some games that are more demanding on the GPU that can sometimes cause a stutter stream if not dealt with accordingly (like frame rate limiting), using QSV is also a whole nother' workaround. I dig it. Thanks for the vid.
So glad to see you cover this - can't tell you how often I've heard tech UA-camr's recommend to go for the F variant! In addition to the things you mentioned, which I'm always stressing to people, it is also very nice to be able to repurpose these parts years down the road into a Plex/Jellyfish server or a Blue Iris server for home security...
It's odd : Intel who always had igpus in their CPUs now does parts without igpus and AMD who always had CPUs without igpus is going to get graphics in every part!! How times have changed!!
@@benjiderrick4590 Intel and AMD want to be different. So when 1 does something the other does the opposite. I am just thankful they don't seem to remove features from their CPUs is all.
This is great to know! I built my PC in April but I didn't buy a GPU for it until the end of July. Being I knew I was going to go without a GPU for a while I went for the i5 12500 which at the time was only $8 more than the i5 12400 ($202 vs $194). I did end up getting a good deal on the GPU I wanted, the Gigabyte Gaming OC 3080 12gb for $729. I wanted it for the 4 year warranty and because it only required 2x 8pins which is all my Corsair SF600 Plat has.
iGPU are really helpful for screen recording since for example if you're recording a game you can have your dedicated GPU handling that while iGPU can work on encoding or even streaming your recording. Also intel QSV is more efficient not just in power but data usage.
He also missed if you want to use your GPU for a development environment inside of a VM with most software it will take the entire GPU to the VM so having 2 GPUs will be good so you can have the host and the VM both with an video out. The main reason to use a devlopment environment inside of a VM instead of getting another computer to do it is 1 cost 2 space and 3 able to switch between the computer set ups easier and of course 3 streaming the VM to another network location to use it there. Another would be to using software like Blender for 3D design and/or video editing that just doesn't support quicksync and either will use CPU compute, CUDA, OptiX or HIP.
Thanks for this video! I just recently built myself an i5-12600k system and was wondering what to do with the iGPU. Currently I have it powering a 2nd monitor and was curious what Quick Sync could really do. You certainly helped explain all the things you could do with it. Looking forward to seeing how I can use it for streaming and video editing!
Been using Quicksync for almost 3 years for game-streaming on Facebook. It it indeed a lifesaver because my RX 470 encoder is really ugly on 6Mbps 720p settings. From i7 3770 to i3 10100. It is worth it.
This is old news anything above 3rd gen intel can use quick sync for rendering but it's crap compare with direct core rendering for CPU. Or using nvenc encoder. If your a creator you want to use a second PC if you can afford it a budget 2nd PC as rendering is fine but the higher you go the better the quality is. If that's not an option then, get a Nvidia GPU and use nvenc for a single PC set up.
@@gamertechlive1780 Even bleeding-edge NVENC* is visually indistinguishable from Quick Sync QS has also gone through several iterations and it's on Version 8. Maybe you're ignorantly talking about the shortcomings of version 1 and 2? You're like... 8 years out of date, my guy. *Ampere and Turing iterations of NVENC are practically identical
@@gamertechlive1780 it's not old news, a lot of people don't even have a clue what Quicksync is. m-rod makes a very valid point, so there's no need to respond like that. Quicksync is a fantastic tool for streamers and content creators who aren't into it for a living.
i dont think everyone fully understands how capable it is. unlimited encodes and decodes vs 2/3 on nvidia consumer grade, can encode and decode multiple 4k streams at once with a high range of codec support - pretty much unbeatable. even cpus like an i3 8100 can do this - doing this much in software would require a 24core threadripper at least
I got a laptop and tested quicksync, looks pretty good since the las one i tried ( i7 4790 one lol). No perf difference from nvenc, quality is very similar, the difference is in the "style" of encoding.
If you have an AMD APU like a 5700G, you can also use it for OBS. Rule of thumb for AMD processors, basically all of their processors are "F" except for the ones that have a "G" at the end, indicating graphics engine Except for in laptops, as far as i can tell, all AMD laptop processors have an iGPU
@@XxDeViLBrInGeRxX Ryzen Apus do still have L3 cache. The main difference is that the CPU uses previous generation zen architecture which does not feature the improvements that were added down the line (better clock speed, L3 cache increase, process node) Example, the Ryzen 5 2400g is based on Zen while Ryzen 5 2600 is Zen+. But 5700g and 5800x are both zen 3, but the difference is that the 5700g is more or less a desktop version of the R9 5900HX, which is a mobile part.
I made the mistake of getting a 12900KF, Which is a damm fine processor especially if not streaming, But I needed a another GPU to get the monitor to work due to the DP port no Signal & no post issues (want more info its on forums, separate issues). Then I discovered when streaming Interesting issues when using NVENC at 4K display (1080 stream) I notice another streamer with similar set up but using the IGPU e.t.c. not having the same issue.
TY for this video. I was trying to convince people that the 12100 non-F was a perfect match for the RX 6500 XT when it came out since the non-F i3 has PCIe 4.0 and hardware encoding with quick sync. And that at the time you could actually build a new $600 budget streaming PC while every other new GPU costed at least $500 just for the card.
Makes me happy to know I got the 12700k with the iGPU I did actually think that the encoding while playing would lower the frame rate than NVENC but I was wrong after watching the video. Great work. Also great if you need the iGPU for something like encoding or decoding movie files. Also, it has AV1 decode. I do feel like the iGPU is not spoken about as much. For some people, that's the reason why they buy Intel over AMD so I do hope over time AMD does get better with their iGPU for productivity work. Do you know if the gaming frame rates while using the iGPU would be lower if the ram capacity was less such as 24GB or 16GB that'll be interesting though I am thankful for the video as I've not seen any iGPU videos for some time. Also the small amount of money for the iGPU one is for sure worth it.
Intel iGPU always has been like that. The gaming is bad but their codec is damn reliable u will also get less cpu usage when browsing or watching video
Graphics could use an APU with like a core zero for graphics. That works in tandem with the Graphics card. I hope that's the way it goes with intel entering the graphics space.
U literally saved me new to streaming and opted for the 12400 cpu paired with a rx 6800 and I was using x264 and thing were not running well a quick change to my twitch settings and I am good to go, I already seen in my device manager that the igu was there so I didn't even have to change any settings in my bios even been, thank u brian!
Hey, I am literally going for this buil;d, i5 12400 and rx 6800, I am getting a i5 12400 for the igpu for the encoding so i can stream with a crisp quality, can u share your experience with me? I am also checking out your channel atm!
@@sanetrayy Its overall really good and yeah the streaming off the igpu is a huge bonus, I can play just about any game @ 1440p ultra and get 80-100fps
If you find a deal on the i5 12500 get that because it has better iGPU for quick sync also has all core boost of 4.1GHz I got mine for $190 the i5 12400F was like $150 for me at the time.
I've been using a GT1030 + HD 630 pair for the better part of a year now and being able to record gameplay footage with no compromises is excellent. I was honestly surprised to see that this Dell Optiplex 3060 SFF tower had the BIOS option for dual graphics, everything behaves perfectly both on Windows and Linux as well.
I used quicksync on my 4690k's iGPU forever, and I always wondered why more people didn't take advantage of it. Maybe because people don't realize they can have both an iGPU and dGPU enabled simultaneously, maybe because quicksync on Sandy and Ivy bridge were criticized for their video quality... but Haswell video quality was perfectly adequate, and Skylake on is just as good as NVENC. I'm glad you're making people aware, in any case. Super useful for streaming or recording on low end rigs.
Another usecase to use a second GPU is that you can force your browser for example to use it and can watch Videos without dropping frames on your second monitor, even with intensive 3D games. I had that problem for a long time where I couldn't watch any 60 FPS Videos on the side while playing Forza Horizin for example. My old 1050 helped me out there.
@@Zellonous well like I described. For whatever reason my games would stutter as soon as I watch a 60fps UA-cam video on my second monitor. Running the browser on the second GPU helped with that for me.
haha, and there Ive been running a i9-9700K for 2 years, not knowing what the K stood for :) I'm currently waiting for my 13900K to arrive, which I will certainly enable iGPU. I mostly use my PC for rending in Blender, Unreal Engine 5 and Adobe apps - interesting to see how the 13th gen will handle these.
Yeah true I wonder if the new iGPUs in RDNA2 use PCIE lanes. and will the encoder (if there is one) be as good as nvenc or quicksync? Their current encoder is not so good.
Boet, any igpu is beneficial. So im writing software that uses directx for some of its functionality and in windows 11 I was even able to push the applications gpu work loads to a hd 4600 in an old i7 4790. So that the gtx 1080 wouldn't be interrupted if I was gaming in the background as the application works with screen capturing and renderering
Had GPU's fail and yeah the iGPU has been a life saver. Easy to diagnose the issue as you can still get a display out from it, just a case of trying the GPU in a different slot or machine to confirm its broken and you have something to use the PC with till a new one arrives. My 3800x doesn't have one and it does suck.
I have to admit the whole "have to have iGPU to use USB-C dock" confuses the heck out of me. I never had a USB-C with display support so I never thought about any such limitation. So weird.
Thank you for this, I have been using NVENC always because I thought it had no performance impact but clearly that's not true. Will give it a try to QuickSync next time I stream.
Most will probably never stream really the biggest bottleneck for streaming games is twitches own non-existent bitrate of 10000kbit/s if you're viewing anything fast-paced will look like tertris thanks to video compression.
I'm thinking of my Asus G15CE which came with an i7-11700F. So you think about what Intel offered in that generation: basically overclocking and QuickSync. (At the cost of power consumption, workload performance, gaming performance, cooling requirements, etc. etc.) This CPU has no iGPU and no Overclocking. Genius move there, Asus.
I have an old amd apu and i was not able to use the graphics card if integrated graphics is on. I always wonder when graphics card is there the gpu cores can do some other task but at that time driver wasn't utilising it.
What was that static scene test for? Man codecs have problem with fasting moving scene, that's where the difference should be highlighted, but I get the point because Intel is sponsoring this 😂 This could have been a good video
finally, someone can describe my happiness when I only have a fermi GT 730 version that doesn't have an Encoder, but I have an Intel HD 4000 on my i5 3570k
UHD 770 is great as an emergency gpu so that you can have a working computer if your GPU dies. The new Ryzen 8700G will be the first desktop chip to have a faster iGPU than the UHD 770. It's using the 780M, and it will be over 5 times faster! Cant wait
the new ryzen chips will have an igpu by default from what I hear so that's good I guess. probably a 50$ increase across the board though, but it's understandable
Yeah, I've seen this and it had me considering moving back to Intel, and hopefully AMD follows suite with Zen4 and the iGPU they'll be putting on those. Though I have to say... I'm just considering converting over to something that's not so compression heavy for editing like DNxHD. Doesn't mean I still won't consider moving back to Intel tho.
@@TheGameBench we will soon find out since the launce is near. If AMD really wants to attack Intel in all fronts then they should make a Quicksync counterpart.
Intel usually has a weaker iGPU but better driver support (esp. years down the line) compared to AMD iGPU. Definitely rational to consider the features offered by company instead of raw performance. AMD support for productivity (transcoding, virtualisation etc) on their iGPUs has so far been abysmal. Quite a stark contrast to their GPU driver support which has been better than ever.
I was looking exactly for this. As my old GPU is dead now, I was stuck between Nvidia and AMD. I have mostly used Nvidia for it's extra features and video Encoder, unfortunately the price is too high for me now. Everybody says that AMD RX 6500XT is not good for not having any video encoder. But I need a GPU at a reasonable price for one year. Then I can buy something better if GPU price falls. I guess I will be happy with RX 6500 XT for now. I am an occasional gamer. I am happy playing on medium settings and cod warzone on lowest settings with 1440p. And my processor is i3 10100 with 2666GHz 16GB ram. Can you make a comparison of UHD 630 qsv vs UHD 770 qsv. Thanks.
What encoders/decoders would you recommend (and Settings) for a OBS Studio user + DaVinci Resolve. At the moment I use StreamFX for OBS Studio to record using h265 and then render with DaVinci with H265 using VBR to make my file as small as possible with fast encoding. What I want is the most possible speed and Quality for this production chain. (Recording/Editing/Encoding + small file size to Upload for UA-cam).
@@SeeJayPlayGames Good mention! *(that user asked about an equivalent, AMD's encoder is not that) - I didn't forget it, but I don't have an APU right now. I think the overall usage is probably low..not sure. 🤷♀ I ran some benchmarks with 580-590's and 5700X but the files didn't make it to UA-cam. OBS settings are /a bit more involved/ but that's easily copied and pasted.
Having a small form factor build paired with a AMD 6400 is insane value. A lot of tech reviewers hate the 6400 for lack of hw encoding and the 4x PCI E, but I don't see a massive performance loss.
No that CPU for this day cant game. And for creators that's an auto pass. The CPU core performance is weak weaker than i3 of same gen. iGPU is already so OLD. Even building a 5-10yrs old PC amd will be a big no. Only ryzen 2k series above are good CPU. Ryzen 1st gen is not good enough and really picky with Rams. And below 1st gen ryzen are basically crap.
@@gamertechlive1780 Don't understand what you said...When I will add any good i5 or i7 will do the job just fine. Manage your expectations. This GPU is great for first time builders on a budget.
@@gamertechlive1780 Bro... he's talking about the AMD RX 6400 graphics card... Not the AMD A6-6400K (which is garbage). Context clues: The 6400K had hardware decoding. It also had 16x support.
Was gonna get 11400f but then learned of qucik sync. Since I wanna do some video rendering too, went with the iGPU version. Plus this way I can sell my old GPU and wait a bit before I get a new one.
Please help me guys, I have a question for you. My job is to edit video coverage of friends, almost all of their video results are in MPEG-TS (mts) format because it's from a Sony MC 1500/2500 camcorder, usually they ask for Mp4 Hd files, enter the flash drive to plug it in on the TV, automate me render from the original MPEG-TS file to H264 1920 x 1080, but during the rendering process my IGPU doesn't work alias 0 ℅ but my VGA card runs normally, what's the reason, does the IGPU not support the MPEG-TS codec? It's different when I render from the initial MP4 file to H264 internal & external vga active all friends, my computer is i5 11500 + vga 1660 super, help me thank you..
I have Intel Core i5 11400 with Intel UHD 730 and you're right. However, it doesn't like PS Studios games and this is bothering me because I can't buy discrete GPU.
In my case Intel igpu just caused me issues. PC wouldn't boot with my rtx 3070 so I had to disable it in bios gigabyte mobo and i7 11 gen, wonder how many more people have the same problem.
@@Daniel-ru8je I couldn't use the pc for a week, took it apart, reinstalled windows, tried all kinds of things disabling the igpu was the only way for my pc to get signal. Just because everything is fine to you that will be for everyone else. I've seen online that it happens to quite a few people.
Hi! If we are talking about editing h264/265 420 why scrubbing (aka "live experience") is better with iGPU? Nvidia decoder is worse? iGPU decoder is better than 4070 nvidia decoder?
Does quicksync help with steam remote play? The scenario is using steam remote play with a low end machine to access a high end gaming machine from another house.
Iam in the process to buy a new CPU I have a 11600kf at 4,9Ghz on all core now, Im gonna start stream on UA-cam and twitch with streamlabs, I was thinking of 11900kf or just clock 11700kf instead of paying 100bucks extra, Should I Buy a 11700k instead?? Would it be better?
do you need to do something special to enable hdmi over USB type-c, like on windows? i connected a hub (that works fine on my steamdeck) but couldn't or don't know how to make it enable multi monitor over that way (12700K,MSI PRO-Z690-A-WIFI-DDR4, win10, tried frontal and rear i/o USB type C) i already have multi monitor enabled i believe, i use daily the mobo displayport -> vga because my dgpu doesn't have a VGA connector available for my old monitor.
I use an older i9-11900K in a Z590-i ITX w/ RTX-2080-Ti dor min gaming but Adobe A/V media creation so i absolutely agree. However, now I tuned it for low heat output clock diwn to 3Ghz, rest RTX while using iGPU for regular desktop work. But the GPU stays warm. Can i turn it off in womdows? Besides booting w/ it powered off low emergy mode?
Been using quicksync the past few days to stream to youtube. Even at 1080p with 10k bitrate the quality is pretty garbage. Definitely worse than h264 on my AMD card at same bit rate. Neither comes close to nvenc. X264 is also superior but streaming from the CPU isn't viable for most.
For video editing, are there any reasons to go for an Intel cpu with Quick Sync when only using h.264/ h.265 variants that can utilise hardware decoding using NVIDIA RTX? For instance, will timeline scrubbing be faster with Quick Sync when using general h.264/ h.265 variants?
it's on graphics settings(settings-display scroll down to graphics settings). Manually decide gpu to use, for example google chrome/vlc with intel uhd.
I spent the extra $15 for a 10900 over a 10900F. $15 for quicksync and an "emergency" gpu is WELL worth it. Edit - I see you covered these points and the pricing. Excellent on point video as always! Thanks
sure, for 15% its a no brainer!!...if your gpu gets faulty, you are out of order!
Just wondering why you didn't buy 10850K? The price was same as 10900
@@adityadivine9750 maybe it wasn't available where he lives or when he decided to buy it ?
@@benjiderrick4590 that's why I was curious. Not like there's a big difference anyways. Probably 2-3 percent
i9 is a bad example, in the i3/i5 range it can be $50 and for some folks it's a lot
It’s the one thing I miss about when I moved to Ryzen from Skylake. For some of those horrific to record instances, letting OBS max out an iGPU you aren’t using is much more pleasant than spending ages messing with settings getting it to record right via standard x264.
What about nvenc ?
@@klm_ Sometimes I swap out GPU so don’t have access to H264 encoders
This has always been Intel's biggest advantage.
They always had IGPUs on nearly every CPU since 1st core ix gen IIRC and those doesn't interfere with PCIE lanes like Ryzen G APUs.
Except the APUs are kind of bigger and more gaming oriented not saying it doesn't do help productivy but adds a little GPU performance to a dGPU
For example: The Ryzen 5 5600G(my favorite example) is the best PCIE 3.0 CPU classed with something such as an RTX 2060 Super (PCIE 3.0 x16 PCIE lanes) is an adequate budget build
May I remind you the gpu must be PCIE 3.0 to take full advantage of the CPU I chose the RTX 20 Series for features such as ray tracing, DLSS 2.0 and etc.
Well that's because Ryzen Apus are actually mobile parts repurposed for desktop use. That's why they don't come with as many lanes as their "GPU-less" siblings (1st gen and 2nd gen zen) or only compatible with pcie 3.0 instead of 4.0 (3rd and 4th gen zen).
Actually, quick sync is a beast of a feature. My old laptop is actually faster at rendering h264 video than my gaming Ryzen machine with rx480 in Vegas (that supports opencl acceleration via the Radeon graphics as well). The catch is, the quality and size of the output video is actually a bit worse than on the Ryzen machine. With quick sync in quality mode, it's pretty similar. We are talking laptop 15w CPU from 2015 vs 1st gen Ryzen desktop with 150w Radeon GPU from 2018!! AMD needs to work on software support for hardware decoding/encoding!!
@@adrianafamilymember6427 or you can get one with more cores... i thought Ryzen was suppose to blow intel away for streaming? not sure about transcoding but does quicksync beat a 12 or 16 core ryzen w/ an nvidia 3070?
Does the heat generated by the iGPU add up the the heat of CPU?
You know, Intel processors have built-in thermal protection. If the processor gets too hot, the built-in protection slows down (throttling) the processor.
The presence of an extra heat source will lower the threshold that triggers the throttling. I wonder if this affects overall performance.
I'm so glad you made this video. Most of the big UA-camrs just seem to almost ignore the perks of Quicksync to the point that I feel like people aren't even aware of it and its benefits. Cheers!
I also feel like a lot of people either applaud AMD for not charging us for an iGPU we don't want, or are mad at AMD for not giving us the iGPU we want, whereas I think Intel does this really nicely by giving the option to save a buck and go without, or go with an iGPU. The only downside is that the extra cost for the iGPU has gone up from €10-15 to €25, but honestly for a mere €10 discount I don't think anyone should buy an F-sku CPU.
interesting usage with the entire 2nd setup dock usage! Also, have been wanting to know more about modern QSV encoding in OBS. What I like about that is that some games that are more demanding on the GPU that can sometimes cause a stutter stream if not dealt with accordingly (like frame rate limiting), using QSV is also a whole nother' workaround. I dig it. Thanks for the vid.
So glad to see you cover this - can't tell you how often I've heard tech UA-camr's recommend to go for the F variant! In addition to the things you mentioned, which I'm always stressing to people, it is also very nice to be able to repurpose these parts years down the road into a Plex/Jellyfish server or a Blue Iris server for home security...
It's odd : Intel who always had igpus in their CPUs now does parts without igpus and AMD who always had CPUs without igpus is going to get graphics in every part!! How times have changed!!
@@benjiderrick4590 Intel and AMD want to be different. So when 1 does something the other does the opposite. I am just thankful they don't seem to remove features from their CPUs is all.
This is great to know! I built my PC in April but I didn't buy a GPU for it until the end of July. Being I knew I was going to go without a GPU for a while I went for the i5 12500 which at the time was only $8 more than the i5 12400 ($202 vs $194). I did end up getting a good deal on the GPU I wanted, the Gigabyte Gaming OC 3080 12gb for $729. I wanted it for the 4 year warranty and because it only required 2x 8pins which is all my Corsair SF600 Plat has.
And with an Arc dGPU, you can use Hyper Encode to enhance QSV with the iGPU (intel only)!
I would like to see a comparisson on how good/bad is a Ryzen APU against the Intel iGPU in regards to streaming enconding and so on.
Good video.
It’s pretty poor. EposVox had a comparison for RX 5000 VCE vs RTX 2000 Nvenc and I think 10th gen QSV
iGPU are really helpful for screen recording since for example if you're recording a game you can have your dedicated GPU handling that while iGPU can work on encoding or even streaming your recording. Also intel QSV is more efficient not just in power but data usage.
He also missed if you want to use your GPU for a development environment inside of a VM with most software it will take the entire GPU to the VM so having 2 GPUs will be good so you can have the host and the VM both with an video out. The main reason to use a devlopment environment inside of a VM instead of getting another computer to do it is 1 cost 2 space and 3 able to switch between the computer set ups easier and of course 3 streaming the VM to another network location to use it there.
Another would be to using software like Blender for 3D design and/or video editing that just doesn't support quicksync and either will use CPU compute, CUDA, OptiX or HIP.
IGPU is not only good for Quicksync but also for Troubleshooting process, suppose if was there is any GPU issue.
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Thanks for this video! I just recently built myself an i5-12600k system and was wondering what to do with the iGPU. Currently I have it powering a 2nd monitor and was curious what Quick Sync could really do. You certainly helped explain all the things you could do with it.
Looking forward to seeing how I can use it for streaming and video editing!
Meanwhile me sitting with the i5-12600KF: 🙂
Been using Quicksync for almost 3 years for game-streaming on Facebook. It it indeed a lifesaver because my RX 470 encoder is really ugly on 6Mbps 720p settings. From i7 3770 to i3 10100. It is worth it.
I streamed 1080p 60 fps from i3 4th gen intel hd 4400 + gt 1030.. Check my channel
Quicksync is a very powerful feature that few people used it. I still use a 6th gen i5 and I’m still rendering videos using it
This is old news anything above 3rd gen intel can use quick sync for rendering but it's crap compare with direct core rendering for CPU.
Or using nvenc encoder.
If your a creator you want to use a second PC if you can afford it a budget 2nd PC as rendering is fine but the higher you go the better the quality is.
If that's not an option then, get a Nvidia GPU and use nvenc for a single PC set up.
@@gamertechlive1780 Even bleeding-edge NVENC* is visually indistinguishable from Quick Sync
QS has also gone through several iterations and it's on Version 8.
Maybe you're ignorantly talking about the shortcomings of version 1 and 2?
You're like... 8 years out of date, my guy.
*Ampere and Turing iterations of NVENC are practically identical
@@tim3172 Nvenc is so much better than Quick Sync unless you have bad eyesight.
@@gamertechlive1780 it's not old news, a lot of people don't even have a clue what Quicksync is. m-rod makes a very valid point, so there's no need to respond like that. Quicksync is a fantastic tool for streamers and content creators who aren't into it for a living.
i dont think everyone fully understands how capable it is. unlimited encodes and decodes vs 2/3 on nvidia consumer grade, can encode and decode multiple 4k streams at once with a high range of codec support - pretty much unbeatable. even cpus like an i3 8100 can do this - doing this much in software would require a 24core threadripper at least
I got a laptop and tested quicksync, looks pretty good since the las one i tried ( i7 4790 one lol). No perf difference from nvenc, quality is very similar, the difference is in the "style" of encoding.
The Japan studio is looking great Brian. Peace from Brissy
If you have an AMD APU like a 5700G, you can also use it for OBS.
Rule of thumb for AMD processors, basically all of their processors are "F" except for the ones that have a "G" at the end, indicating graphics engine
Except for in laptops, as far as i can tell, all AMD laptop processors have an iGPU
Yes, but the difference is that G series Ryzen CPUs trade L3 cache for having integrated graphics, which is not the case with Intel iGPUs
@Lance Yeah they'll introduce weaker CPUs from the other CPUs but be better than the current APUs
I think they called it the Raphael lineup
@@XxDeViLBrInGeRxX Ryzen Apus do still have L3 cache. The main difference is that the CPU uses previous generation zen architecture which does not feature the improvements that were added down the line (better clock speed, L3 cache increase, process node)
Example, the Ryzen 5 2400g is based on Zen while Ryzen 5 2600 is Zen+. But 5700g and 5800x are both zen 3, but the difference is that the 5700g is more or less a desktop version of the R9 5900HX, which is a mobile part.
@@adrianafamilymember6427 Raphael is the codename for the 7000 series Ryzen parts.
but then the G-series CPUs have less cache, and that directly affects gaming performance.
Didnt knew this was possible. Always dropping the knowledge bomb.
Sitting down to dinner and I get a notification for a new Tech yes video 👍......Thanks
I made the mistake of getting a 12900KF, Which is a damm fine processor especially if not streaming, But I needed a another GPU to get the monitor to work due to the DP port no Signal & no post issues (want more info its on forums, separate issues). Then I discovered when streaming Interesting issues when using NVENC at 4K display (1080 stream) I notice another streamer with similar set up but using the IGPU e.t.c. not having the same issue.
TY for this video. I was trying to convince people that the 12100 non-F was a perfect match for the RX 6500 XT when it came out since the non-F i3 has PCIe 4.0 and hardware encoding with quick sync. And that at the time you could actually build a new $600 budget streaming PC while every other new GPU costed at least $500 just for the card.
F i3 has PCIe 4.0 , if not 5.0
Makes me happy to know I got the 12700k with the iGPU I did actually think that the encoding while playing would lower the frame rate than NVENC but I was wrong after watching the video. Great work. Also great if you need the iGPU for something like encoding or decoding movie files. Also, it has AV1 decode. I do feel like the iGPU is not spoken about as much. For some people, that's the reason why they buy Intel over AMD so I do hope over time AMD does get better with their iGPU for productivity work. Do you know if the gaming frame rates while using the iGPU would be lower if the ram capacity was less such as 24GB or 16GB that'll be interesting though I am thankful for the video as I've not seen any iGPU videos for some time. Also the small amount of money for the iGPU one is for sure worth it.
Intel iGPU always has been like that.
The gaming is bad but their codec is damn reliable u will also get less cpu usage when browsing or watching video
Great video. This was the number one reason why I bought the 12600K. Options.
It's excellent choice. Faster than 10900k and 11900k.
I'll say it's easy oc to 5ghz all cores so do try that too
Graphics could use an APU with like a core zero for graphics. That works in tandem with the Graphics card. I hope that's the way it goes with intel entering the graphics space.
I think in Japan, they keep their parts really clean.
And cheap probably b/c they got the short end of the shaft in trade agreements in the 90s blah blah politics do your own research
U literally saved me new to streaming and opted for the 12400 cpu paired with a rx 6800 and I was using x264 and thing were not running well a quick change to my twitch settings and I am good to go, I already seen in my device manager that the igu was there so I didn't even have to change any settings in my bios even been, thank u brian!
Hey, I am literally going for this buil;d, i5 12400 and rx 6800, I am getting a i5 12400 for the igpu for the encoding so i can stream with a crisp quality, can u share your experience with me? I am also checking out your channel atm!
@@sanetrayy Its overall really good and yeah the streaming off the igpu is a huge bonus, I can play just about any game @ 1440p ultra and get 80-100fps
@@mrhappy8966 Thank you for the response, on what platform do you stream? I'd like to check out the past streams if thats possible.
@@sanetrayy your welcome twitch studio I'm not sure if I record them or how actually lol
@@mrhappy8966 I will see you there!
If you find a deal on the i5 12500 get that because it has better iGPU for quick sync also has all core boost of 4.1GHz I got mine for $190 the i5 12400F was like $150 for me at the time.
I've been using a GT1030 + HD 630 pair for the better part of a year now and being able to record gameplay footage with no compromises is excellent. I was honestly surprised to see that this Dell Optiplex 3060 SFF tower had the BIOS option for dual graphics, everything behaves perfectly both on Windows and Linux as well.
I streamed 1080p 60 fps from i3 4th gen intel hd 4400 + gt 1030.. Check my channel
Hi , QuickSync Intel Arc is superior vs Nvenc rtx 3000 series & iGPU QuickSync?
I used quicksync on my 4690k's iGPU forever, and I always wondered why more people didn't take advantage of it. Maybe because people don't realize they can have both an iGPU and dGPU enabled simultaneously, maybe because quicksync on Sandy and Ivy bridge were criticized for their video quality... but Haswell video quality was perfectly adequate, and Skylake on is just as good as NVENC. I'm glad you're making people aware, in any case. Super useful for streaming or recording on low end rigs.
I bought a new cpu because of this video. Darn you
Another usecase to use a second GPU is that you can force your browser for example to use it and can watch Videos without dropping frames on your second monitor, even with intensive 3D games. I had that problem for a long time where I couldn't watch any 60 FPS Videos on the side while playing Forza Horizin for example. My old 1050 helped me out there.
Why would you need that though.
@@Zellonous well like I described. For whatever reason my games would stutter as soon as I watch a 60fps UA-cam video on my second monitor. Running the browser on the second GPU helped with that for me.
That's genius. Somehow the games start to turn into 60fps when I watch videos while gaming. I do use amd ryzen so I cannot use igpu
Thanks buddy!!
haha, and there Ive been running a i9-9700K for 2 years, not knowing what the K stood for :) I'm currently waiting for my 13900K to arrive, which I will certainly enable iGPU. I mostly use my PC for rending in Blender, Unreal Engine 5 and Adobe apps - interesting to see how the 13th gen will handle these.
So timely for Intel to market their iGPU since AMD is about to include RDNA2 in their upcoming Zen4 platform.
coming to the party late isn't it! horse has already bolted.
Yeah true I wonder if the new iGPUs in RDNA2 use PCIE lanes. and will the encoder (if there is one) be as good as nvenc or quicksync? Their current encoder is not so good.
@@OfficialMyMindset we will find out pretty soon
Will keep this in mind for my next CPU.
I honestly prefer when onboard video was on the motherboards. Then you can use any cpu and have a fallback onboard video for debugging purposes.
As always, your contents bring more knowledge and information to the viewers like us. Thank you and keep them coming.
Boet, any igpu is beneficial. So im writing software that uses directx for some of its functionality and in windows 11 I was even able to push the applications gpu work loads to a hd 4600 in an old i7 4790. So that the gtx 1080 wouldn't be interrupted if I was gaming in the background as the application works with screen capturing and renderering
Had GPU's fail and yeah the iGPU has been a life saver. Easy to diagnose the issue as you can still get a display out from it, just a case of trying the GPU in a different slot or machine to confirm its broken and you have something to use the PC with till a new one arrives. My 3800x doesn't have one and it does suck.
I would love for you to revisit these ideas with the New Ryzen processors when they come out with igpu.
When?
I have to admit the whole "have to have iGPU to use USB-C dock" confuses the heck out of me. I never had a USB-C with display support so I never thought about any such limitation. So weird.
Well explained! Also nice to see some of your apartment!
Now i have as a second stream pc an i3 1315u lap and quicksync is just INSANE, look almost like nvenc
thank you for making this video, it is something more people needed to hear
Thank you for this, I have been using NVENC always because I thought it had no performance impact but clearly that's not true. Will give it a try to QuickSync next time I stream.
So how was it? Is qsv better in terms of efficiency? Im curious
@@dominhnonn Honestly, I have never switched back to NVENC. I feel like it looks better and I drop less frames than before.
Most will probably never stream really the biggest bottleneck for streaming games is twitches own non-existent bitrate of 10000kbit/s if you're viewing anything fast-paced will look like tertris thanks to video compression.
I'm thinking of my Asus G15CE which came with an i7-11700F.
So you think about what Intel offered in that generation: basically overclocking and QuickSync.
(At the cost of power consumption, workload performance, gaming performance, cooling requirements, etc. etc.)
This CPU has no iGPU and no Overclocking.
Genius move there, Asus.
I have an old amd apu and i was not able to use the graphics card if integrated graphics is on. I always wonder when graphics card is there the gpu cores can do some other task but at that time driver wasn't utilising it.
What was that static scene test for? Man codecs have problem with fasting moving scene, that's where the difference should be highlighted, but I get the point because Intel is sponsoring this 😂
This could have been a good video
finally, someone can describe my happiness when I only have a fermi GT 730 version that doesn't have an Encoder, but I have an Intel HD 4000 on my i5 3570k
Good to know if I end up upgrading later. Right now my dual Xeon workstation is managing just fine for my needs.
I used QuickSync recording games in OBS instead of nvenc. It's obviously better in my eyes. 5:00
Is there an AMD equivalent for this or is it exclusive to Intel?
Would be nice if you show pictures in movement. So we can see possible artefacts in compare between the codecs.
Wait so I can plug my 2nd monitor straight into the mobo and it won't slow my CPU down while I am gaming? I have 10600K RTX 2060 6gb
UHD 770 is great as an emergency gpu so that you can have a working computer if your GPU dies.
The new Ryzen 8700G will be the first desktop chip to have a faster iGPU than the UHD 770. It's using the 780M, and it will be over 5 times faster! Cant wait
the new ryzen chips will have an igpu by default from what I hear so that's good I guess.
probably a 50$ increase across the board though, but it's understandable
Nice advice thank you. iGpu qsv is the only way that I can record game replay videos withought lag on one of my potatoe laptops.
first dude since dedicated graphics cards to say something about intel. lol. THANK YOU.
Second 🥈 but close enough
Yeah, I've seen this and it had me considering moving back to Intel, and hopefully AMD follows suite with Zen4 and the iGPU they'll be putting on those. Though I have to say... I'm just considering converting over to something that's not so compression heavy for editing like DNxHD. Doesn't mean I still won't consider moving back to Intel tho.
Good news for you, all Zen4 CPU's will have a cutdown RDNA2 graphics.
@@13thzephyr Yes... but the question is, will it have the same decode support that quick sync has on the 11th and 12th CPU's.
@@TheGameBench we will soon find out since the launce is near. If AMD really wants to attack Intel in all fronts then they should make a Quicksync counterpart.
Intel usually has a weaker iGPU but better driver support (esp. years down the line) compared to AMD iGPU. Definitely rational to consider the features offered by company instead of raw performance.
AMD support for productivity (transcoding, virtualisation etc) on their iGPUs has so far been abysmal. Quite a stark contrast to their GPU driver support which has been better than ever.
main problem with Intel with 12th gen is it has DRM in chip.. so, can't play 4K bul ray disk
I was looking exactly for this. As my old GPU is dead now, I was stuck between Nvidia and AMD. I have mostly used Nvidia for it's extra features and video Encoder, unfortunately the price is too high for me now. Everybody says that AMD RX 6500XT is not good for not having any video encoder. But I need a GPU at a reasonable price for one year. Then I can buy something better if GPU price falls. I guess I will be happy with RX 6500 XT for now. I am an occasional gamer. I am happy playing on medium settings and cod warzone on lowest settings with 1440p. And my processor is i3 10100 with 2666GHz 16GB ram.
Can you make a comparison of UHD 630 qsv vs UHD 770 qsv. Thanks.
I had gpu problems and igpu saved me
I just built a new unRAID server with an i5-11500 purely to take advantage of Quicksync for Plex. It works great.
What encoders/decoders would you recommend (and Settings) for a OBS Studio user + DaVinci Resolve. At the moment I use StreamFX for OBS Studio to record using h265 and then render with DaVinci with H265 using VBR to make my file as small as possible with fast encoding.
What I want is the most possible speed and Quality for this production chain. (Recording/Editing/Encoding + small file size to Upload for UA-cam).
pretty awesome
thank you for the video
EDIT:
my bad for asking this...
but...
how about on the AMD side
thanks again for the awesome vid
Yeah that H.265 10bit 4:2:2 is the special sauce really.... The glory
does AMD have a QuickSync equivalent? 🤔
No they do not. QSV is Intel only, and NVENC is only available with Nvidia GPU's.
@@SISSYPUSS are we forgetting about VCE/VCN? That's been in AMD APUs for like, ever.
@@SeeJayPlayGames Good mention! *(that user asked about an equivalent, AMD's encoder is not that) - I didn't forget it, but I don't have an APU right now. I think the overall usage is probably low..not sure. 🤷♀ I ran some benchmarks with 580-590's and 5700X but the files didn't make it to UA-cam. OBS settings are /a bit more involved/ but that's easily copied and pasted.
Finally Found useful video 👍
Curios how quicksync vs nvenc perform on streaming nonstatic and high motion scenes
Transcoding suffers without quick sync (handbreak) unless you use a service like fileflows or a ffmeg script.
How much is the power draw of the GPU when the igpu is in use for browsing/idle ? I'm mainly interested in power saving
Having a small form factor build paired with a AMD 6400 is insane value. A lot of tech reviewers hate the 6400 for lack of hw encoding and the 4x PCI E, but I don't see a massive performance loss.
No that CPU for this day cant game.
And for creators that's an auto pass.
The CPU core performance is weak weaker than i3 of same gen.
iGPU is already so OLD.
Even building a 5-10yrs old PC amd will be a big no.
Only ryzen 2k series above are good CPU.
Ryzen 1st gen is not good enough and really picky with Rams.
And below 1st gen ryzen are basically crap.
I forgot quick sync is only available for Intel and and don't have this equivalent option or feature
@@gamertechlive1780 Don't understand what you said...When I will add any good i5 or i7 will do the job just fine. Manage your expectations. This GPU is great for first time builders on a budget.
@@gamertechlive1780 Bro... he's talking about the AMD RX 6400 graphics card...
Not the AMD A6-6400K (which is garbage).
Context clues: The 6400K had hardware decoding. It also had 16x support.
@@tim3172 he's just spilling nonsense and looking for fights in the comments lol
Was gonna get 11400f but then learned of qucik sync. Since I wanna do some video rendering too, went with the iGPU version. Plus this way I can sell my old GPU and wait a bit before I get a new one.
Please help me guys, I have a question for you.
My job is to edit video coverage of friends, almost all of their video results are in MPEG-TS (mts) format because it's from a Sony MC 1500/2500 camcorder, usually they ask for Mp4 Hd files, enter the flash drive to plug it in on the TV, automate me render from the original MPEG-TS file to H264 1920 x 1080, but during the rendering process my IGPU doesn't work alias 0 ℅ but my VGA card runs normally, what's the reason, does the IGPU not support the MPEG-TS codec?
It's different when I render from the initial MP4 file to H264 internal & external vga active all friends, my computer is i5 11500 + vga 1660 super, help me thank you..
I have Intel Core i5 11400 with Intel UHD 730 and you're right. However, it doesn't like PS Studios games and this is bothering me because I can't buy discrete GPU.
In my case Intel igpu just caused me issues. PC wouldn't boot with my rtx 3070 so I had to disable it in bios gigabyte mobo and i7 11 gen, wonder how many more people have the same problem.
That's the thing they're sometimes better used disabled b/c of interference
Idk, i also have i7 11gen but its igpu didnt interfere with my 3060 ti
@@Daniel-ru8je I couldn't use the pc for a week, took it apart, reinstalled windows, tried all kinds of things disabling the igpu was the only way for my pc to get signal. Just because everything is fine to you that will be for everyone else. I've seen online that it happens to quite a few people.
For a bit more money can you check out the Core i5 12500. It has the same igpu as the Core i9 12900k (UHD 770).
Hi! If we are talking about editing h264/265 420 why scrubbing (aka "live experience") is better with iGPU? Nvidia decoder is worse? iGPU decoder is better than 4070 nvidia decoder?
There ain't no excuses now for Adobe to start taking advantage of AMD's iGPU.
what about amd apus?
Does quicksync help with steam remote play? The scenario is using steam remote play with a low end machine to access a high end gaming machine from another house.
yes
Can you use the 7950x gpu in the same way by enabling the amd vce encoder or does iy perform worse?
Iam in the process to buy a new CPU I have a 11600kf at 4,9Ghz on all core now, Im gonna start stream on UA-cam and twitch with streamlabs, I was thinking of 11900kf or just clock 11700kf instead of paying 100bucks extra, Should I Buy a 11700k instead?? Would it be better?
Congrats, very interesting.
Gotta give a shout out to technotice. He's been on about this for a few months now. I hope amd gets a quicksync equivalent soon!
Bruh I legit commented on your last video in regards to Intel quick sync. The Intel gpu one.
If you're paying this much for a processor, I expect it to come with graphics. All CPU's should come with them as standard, especially in 2022.
do you need to do something special to enable hdmi over USB type-c, like on windows?
i connected a hub (that works fine on my steamdeck) but couldn't or don't know how to make it enable multi monitor over that way (12700K,MSI PRO-Z690-A-WIFI-DDR4, win10, tried frontal and rear i/o USB type C) i already have multi monitor enabled i believe, i use daily the mobo displayport -> vga because my dgpu doesn't have a VGA connector available for my old monitor.
Someone similar tecnology could be aprovech for AMD 5000 with G version proccesors?
I use an older i9-11900K in a Z590-i ITX w/ RTX-2080-Ti dor min gaming but Adobe A/V media creation so i absolutely agree. However, now I tuned it for low heat output clock diwn to 3Ghz, rest RTX while using iGPU for regular desktop work. But the GPU stays warm. Can i turn it off in womdows? Besides booting w/ it powered off low emergy mode?
Been using quicksync the past few days to stream to youtube. Even at 1080p with 10k bitrate the quality is pretty garbage. Definitely worse than h264 on my AMD card at same bit rate. Neither comes close to nvenc. X264 is also superior but streaming from the CPU isn't viable for most.
For video editing, are there any reasons to go for an Intel cpu with Quick Sync when only using h.264/ h.265 variants that can utilise hardware decoding using NVIDIA RTX? For instance, will timeline scrubbing be faster with Quick Sync when using general h.264/ h.265 variants?
Just think what Intel’s new GPU’s will be capable of codec wise 😉
those with RX6500xt can buy Intel CPU for video recording and video editing.
Beautiful.
Will disabling hardware acceleration allow quick sync to decode videos I watch while gaming? My 4000 series card runs hotter doing both.
it's on graphics settings(settings-display scroll down to graphics settings). Manually decide gpu to use, for example google chrome/vlc with intel uhd.