I know I quickly brushed aside the rx 7800xt in the video, but I did it for a few reasons. 1.) I don’t believe AMD’s implementation of AV1 encoding is at the quality of either Intel or Nvidia. That doesn’t mean it’s bad, but I haven’t seen enough benchmarks comparing the three brands to sway me in any direction other than the one that was recommended to me and therefore the one that I went with. 2.) My current use case doesn’t require extra gaming performance. That doesn’t mean I won’t consider a better gpu in the future, but the games I play run just fine. 3.) I didn’t want to go through the hassle of selling off my RTX 3070 to justify any extra money spent on a new gpu. Believe me, I considered the option, but the combination of these factors led me to buying the A380, which has had proven AV1 performance for a cheaper overall price.
@@Aktzin the issue is the image you posted to prove AMDs wasent good in encoding had nothing to do with the use case which was misleading and now phrasings I have enough performance which is technically the same is I chose less performance on purpose seem weird reasoning especially considering the 3070 doesn't even have enough vram for new ue5 titles even at 1080p. I get it works for you but people will be and you also suggested this was the superior way to do things based on these grounds
@@wrusst My intention was never to mislead anyone, I apologize if that was the interpreted direction. As for the image, my editor and I struggled to find any relevant AV1 encoding benchmarks that used AMD. The closest I found was a Tom’s Hardware comparison, and they offered the same conclusion and sentiment I shared in the video: AMD still underperforms in encoding when compared to competitors. Now, I do take issue with the equivocation that me being fine with my current performance is like me choosing to have less performance. This is a complete misrepresentation of what my sentiments were before buying the A380. Yes, the 7800xt performs better than my current gpu, but why should I go through the hassle of changing my setup for a 20-25% fps increase when I’m already getting good framerates on the few games I have time to play? I’d rather wait a couple more years when I have extra time (and money) to grab a card that gives me an even better performance uplift! Could I enjoy the 7800xt now? Sure, but like I said, it’s an extra hassle, and I’m fine with what I have. The upgrade can wait for the next generation. This actually leads me to another point: I didn’t care about increasing performance, my goal with buying the A380 was to have stable streaming/recording sessions without spending more than what was necessary. When I stream, I run three separate encoding tasks: my stream (limited to internet speed), my webcam, and my source gameplay (high bitrate). No matter what configuration I used with my old setup, I was sacrificing performance or overloading my encoder. I had to use my laptop to avoid this, which created a ton of other issues I don’t want to delve into. I was able to offload all of my encoding tasks to the A380 and now everything works the way I want; I have complete flexibility when it comes to the creative process. Whether you think it’s the best solution or not, my opinion that the A380 can benefit almost any streamer has not changed.
@@AktzinI will have to watch the video again as I missed the part you was to busy to sell your card, setting up a dual PC is easier than a single card swap and you also mentioning the XT would have more frames also but did see you state the 4070 had better frames . Also I tried to look up your toms hardware article maybe I'm reading this wrong but it states the AV1 is better than intel which opposite to what you said but you wouldn't think that reading Tom conclusion who is historically pro intel to quote . I must missed the part where you said AMD has better AV1. Maybe like your table you quoted you didn't add the AV1 part just read the HEVC part ? But I'm no expert on coding but the graphs are there to see Toms hardware "AMD's RDNA 3 for example does better with AV1 than with HEVC by 1-2 points. Nvidia's Ada cards achieve their best results so far, with about a 2 point improvement over HEVC. Intel's Arc GPUs go the other way and score 2-3 points lower in AV1 versus HEVC. As for the libsvtav1 codec CPU results, it's basically tied with HEVC at 8Mbps, but leads by 1.6 points at 6Mbps and has a relatively substantial 5 point lead at 3Mpbs." Although they do mention they messed up there testing.
@@wrusst so on further inspection, Intel consistently performed a bit better than AMD, but slightly worse than Nvidia according to their AV1 graphs. My bad on that part, though I would like to note that they tested with the 7900XTX, and I'm not completely sure what difference there would be with a 7800XT. The table used in the video came from a channel called EposVox, who looks at a lot of AV1 and streaming stuff. He hasn't made an update with the AMD or Nvidia AV1 encoders yet though. The dual PC thing I can't do because 1.) I don't really want to spend the money to set up a completely separate rig, and 2.) I have to transport my laptop to and from college every day, so it becomes inconvenient to set up every single time. Remember, I'm a college student majoring in engineering, I am trying to be cost-effective, and my patience is already spread thin for a lot of things (I'm actually typing this during one of my assignment breaks). Final thing, it's worth considering what I'll be able to do with the A380 when it becomes feasible for me to buy a gpu that can handle literally everything. As an example, I could use it in a simple SFF media PC when I'm done with it in my main build. This way, it'll still be useful until it is completely obsolete. I'd be using my equipment until the end of its lifecycle, just like most technology should be used. Gotta get back to work now, have a good evening!
I love it when people shared their use-specific scenario, and there are people who are in the same situation (re: me). I love QSV quality on both H.264 or H.265, but livestream using UHD 770 HEVC on 1440p 60fps is just tough, and I won't do >6Mbps; just a waste of bandwidth. Having 6800XT, I'm in the same boat as you that I won't buy a new gaming GPU any time soon as it should last me for years. So yeah, stumbled upon your vid in my reco. Thanks for clarifying my doubt that I can do this!
I remember seeing low profile arc a380s being discussed online, but no retail or even oem models were out at the time. I went with a more expensive a2000 for my travel pc, but glad to finally see them out in the wild.
The RTX A2000 is by far a better LP card for gaming, even after all the driver optimizations Intel has done, AV1 codec support is the only thing it does better than the RTX A2000. IMO if i were building SFF low power gaming system RTX A2000 would be at the top of my list. Though I think the RTX 4060 does have a LP card but it still requires supplemental PCIe power
@@esotericjahanism5251 I needed something for video out, didn't need anything crazy for gaming on it. My motherboard doesn't have any video outs(bit older)and hardware video decode/encode with av1 would have been nice, but ill settle with the a2000 i have.
This video hit me like a truck. I never thought a video like this one would hit me in the feels the way it did. The A380 aside, I too was a young kid in middle school who got into PC gaming because a computer was all my humble family had. Saving up money for parts, getting my first video card which was a nVidia 9600 GSO, and then I was inspired to study Electrical Engineering. Life had other plans, but the variety of interests I had growing up served me well since I became a software engineer who's built stuff that impacted millions. Your inquisitive nature to understand the workings of codecs will serve you well as you learn more challenging topics. Don't give up and I hope to see you one day designing new compute architectures for generations to come!
I have RX 7800 XT with the dual media engine and it makes miracles with AV1 at 8K. Intel gpus are very good to buy , can't wait for the Battlemage gpus.
Excellent config, I have a Rx 6650 XT as my main GPU, and a GTX 1050 as secondary GPU for video editing and streaming (since the AMD card is not very good for that), this dual GPU configuration works well for me, but now I will change the GTX 1050 for the Arc A380 to have more quality in video editing and more quality in streaming.
Really tempted to buy one too not only for av1 encoding but also separate video decoding for my 2nd monitor because video lags at 1080p currently with my gpu going flat out while gaming. Not only that but unlike an igpu, it's powerful enough to run wallpaper engine on the 2nd monitor and ill be able to leave it unpaused while gaming
Have you tested regular encoding such as for exporting Davinci Resolve videos? It’ll probably be more space efficient but wondering if it’ll be faster than a 3080 running NVENC Edit: Just tried software AV1. Got a smaller file size than NVENC, but my CPU is struggling to play back the video which would be a problem in the free version of Resolve since hardware decode is only in the paid version
I’m not entirely sure… I found a pugetsystems article that benchmarks the A770 and the Rtx 4060 in h264 and hevc encoding scenarios. It seemed to me like Nvidia was faster with h264, but Intel beat Nvidia with HEVC. If you already have the 3080 and are mainly looking at encoding video edits, I feel that the performance is close enough that you shouldn’t have to worry about buying a separate card specifically for encoding. Still, the benefits of AV1 are enough for me to feel that an A380 purchase is reasonable.
@@AktzinYeah, the A770 is probably closer to a regular GPU, so I’m assuming it’ll have better encodes. There isn’t much out there on the A380 for AV1. I’m probably going to get one to test but my second slot is only Gen 3 x4 speeds. Have you had any problems if you’re also running at Gen 3 x4?
@@Aktzin Dang, I just checked and my slot it the very last one, so I can only fit a one slot card. Which the A310 is but only has 4GB VRAM or the A60 which isn’t out for retail consumers yet
Very happy I came across this video. Been contemplating attempting a dual GPU system for a while now in hopes to capture better gameplay footage. Have you had any issues running two separate GPU's in one system?
The biggest (and only) issue I've run into so far has been a weird frame skip issue across my entire system that lasts for a little less than half a second whenever the A380 is active. It affects games, audio, mouse movement, windows opening/minimizing, etc.. It's very strange; sometimes it's nonexistent, other times it happens every 5 seconds! I've tried all sorts of things to fix the problem, but nothing's worked yet. I still have a few potential fixes to try. I'll provide an update if anything happens.
So I finally have an update on what was going on as I’ve done a lot more testing on my end: The a380 was completely idle in my normal use-case, which means no recording or displaying anything. After a certain period of time (which consistently changed upon startup), something, either hardware or software-related, disabled the card entirely. The frametime spikes occurred whenever I switched windows or did anything related to graphics, causing the A380 to be “woken up.” My theory is that Windows likes to have everything active before assigning tasks to the gpu to render, and this is what causes the issue. My fix was to connect my secondary monitor to the A380. This ensures that the A380 will always be utilized in some way, and, so far, the issue has not come up since. I may address this in a sort of follow-up video, where I could also delve into my whole setup with OBS and my other software.
Sorry, but I’m not sure how much more I could do to review this… Time is scarce for me and I don’t really use this gpu for anything other than AV1 encoding. If you want more gaming benchmarks, you can try searching for a gamer’s nexus review of a normal A380 or perhaps another channel’s review. Again, I apologize for being unable to help.
I record video using OBS. To get the encoder to work, you need to install the intel graphics drivers. From there, you can select the "Quicksync AV1" setting within the OBS output settings. As long as your primary GPU is set as the "primary" gpu in windows, you don't have to worry about gaming on a different card than the one you use to encode.
tbh, thanks for your vide didn't know it was possible to have a dedicated encoding card, so I built en entire new PC, for just streaming even though I may buy the AV1 a plug onto that pc, it's impresive nice video.
Glad you liked the video! I didn’t use Handbrake to re-encode though. In fact, the source footage I used was done in AV1, then I just recorded over the source footage with OBS for each scenario to sort of simulate what to expect from real-time recording at the bitrates I use.
Keep it up man. When looking at jobs after you graduate. Consider the job, the pay, and especially the benefits. You can be paid less than another computer but get more benefits. Sometimes those benefits dont matter as much to an individual. But don't lose focus on save for retirement
I have a Nvidia RTX 2070 super video card in my Stream PC, but that video card does not support AV1, so I have 2 choices, get a new RTX 40 series video card, like a 4070. Or keep the 2070 for normal usage and also get a Intel a380 (or other Intel cards that are similar) for just encoding AV1 for streaming. If might do the latter, but as long as I can fit it in my PC case. That is something I need to figure out.
Sorry for the late reply. That definitely seems like a scenario where getting the a380 would be a decent option. I’m of the opinion that waiting for the “right” generation to do a full gpu upgrade is better than upgrading to get the “latest” in everything. Grabbing the A380 is a cheap way of ensuring you have AV1 for the foreseeable future, so you wouldn’t have to consider it too much later on when doing a primary gpu upgrade.
Also worth noting that regardless the new 4070 will still have performance hurt slightly when recording while with the a380 all the load of encoding is on that not your gaming gpu.
Great video dude! I'm thinking about going this route as well. Instead of replacing my AMD XFX 6600 for the 7600 xt that's coming out on the 24th. I'll just buy this ARc intel A380 to do the rendering and streaming. Also can you show us how you setup everything in OBS to recognize the intel arc card for recording/ streaming? While using the AMD to game?
Whether you replace your gpu or not honestly depends on the situation. If you haven’t made a purchase yet, I still recommend buying the a380! On the other hand, if performance by itself is a problem for you, even without recording, it might be a good idea to look at a more powerful gpu to replace your current one and wait to grab secondary gpu for encoding. Perhaps take a look at the 4060 or better? Maybe even the AMD equivalent. Anyway, I for sure want to make another video on how I set everything up, and it will go FAR beyond OBS stuff. We’ll just wait and see what happens…
intel and nvidia also have significantly higher quality video encoders compared to AMD. Even without av1 the quality will improve significantly at the same bitrate. Tomshardware details this in their video encoding quality comparison if you want to read more.
The Hyte Y60 comes with a riser cable. This case is specifically designed for your GPU to be vertically mounted, as there are no full-size slots available with the typical orientation.
I've been thinking on whether or not i should get an RTX 4000s card or an arc card for better encoding, i thought that arc cards kinda suck but this video really changed my opinion on arc cards!
Hello to all the members! I am new to this community and am seeking some answers. I already have a PC built with an i7-12700K processor and an RTX 3090, but I want to record using OBS primarily and possibly stream later on. However, when I currently record with OBS, even with a 25000 bitrate using NVENC H.264, the quality is not satisfactory. I've tried numerous settings, but unfortunately, I haven't achieved the desired quality while maintaining smooth gameplay. So, I am considering three options: Option 1: Work around with my current setup. Option 2: Purchase an RTX 40 series GPU for AV1 encoding. Option 3: Buy an Intel A380 as a second GPU in my build specifically for recording gameplay. I appreciate any advice or suggestions you may have on improving my recording and streaming setup.
With your current setup, you should be able to use your CPU’s dedicated hardware encoder. It should offload any recording tasks to the integrated graphics. You may need to install intel graphics drivers for it to work. In OBS, the encoder should appear as QSV H265. With H265, you should be fine with 15000 for your bitrate and the “veryslow” preset. Another thing to look for is if you’re downscaling your recording from your native resolution. Avoid doing so, as it could be a cause for worse quality. Hope this helps!
@@Frozoken true, neither of his current devices have av1 (though that could be different now due to a couple months passing), but I felt that trying to help solve the issue with current hardware was appropriate. Buying the A380 is still very much an option if you want to have AV1 encoding capabilities!
I never went above 20 Watts when the only thing being done was AV1 encoding. That’s what I remember, because I haven’t had much time to test anything else out. In the video, you can see that it should hover around 15-17 Watts. I hope this helps!
@@Aktzin thank you for the answer, yeah I saw the video, and at idle have you seen how much power consumption has? My motherboard has a second full size PCIe but is PCIe3.0 and x4. Will it work?
@@carlosm9680yes thats fine u aren't using much pcie bandwidth with just encoding. Hell external gpu enclosure use thunderbolt, which is pcie 3x4 and they offer 4090's sometimes. Ofc it performs much worse (about 40% worse tops) than normal but it's a 4090 and it's been used for gaming
Hey man, just have to say, I absolutely love this video. I'm actually planning on building a low profile pc with this graphics card. I know it wouldn't be ideal but perhaps could you make a video testing it out with some games in 1080p? Just curious...anyways keep up the good work. One of the most informational videos I have ever seen. FINALLY A VIDEO ON THE LP ARC A380😁😁😁
Glad you enjoyed! I don’t think I’ll be making a benchmarking video, but there should be a few reviews on the A380 out there, just not on this specific low profile model. Good luck!
I’m looking now on Lenovo loq 15iax9i with Intel arc a530m. I need the dedicated streaming pc. What your thoughts on it? It has only gb of vram. Can it be problem?
I don’t know as much about the laptop side of things, especially regarding that gpu. The tech specs on intel’s website says the Arc A530m supports AV1 encode, but there is also a possibility that it depends on what the laptop manufacturer chooses.
@@Aktzin I'm unsure what to do here. I have a dual pc streaming thing. I want to get this arc for my dedicated streaming pc. My motherboard supports it but cpu is old intel 8700k which doest. So im stuck here
@@BaneCodes I see… yeah this is a situation where going for the Arc GPU may not be the best idea. I’m not too sure about other affordable cards that have AV1 support, but, in the meantime, the 8700k should have Quicksync. I believe you’ll still have decent quality streams, just not encoded in AV1
I'm interested in buying this card but only for media, not for gaming. Does it have 0 RPM mode so the fans don't spin when not heavily loaded? And also, when loaded, how is the fan noise?
That's something I haven't checked, but according to ASRock's website, this model has "0dB Silent Cooling" which seems to be what you're looking for. I don't think the fans on this gpu run in my build, but if they have, I cannot hear them over the other case fans.
The Arc gpu has been running without its fans for basically the entire time I’ve been using it. I also haven’t really noticed a difference in the system noise, so take that for what you will.
@@SuspiciousPixels good question! The card can record my webcam, gameplay, and stream, all in AV1 at the same time! In addition, I do not have any lag while doing so.
@@Aktzin finally got mine and installed it. I can confirm that it can handle recording and streaming simultaneously but the power draw is 30Watts instead of 20Watts. Whilst just streaming alone it has a 20 Watt load and the fan doesn't spin but at 30Watt the fans spin but as I suspected the system and CPU fans are far more louder than it. Idle power draw is around 7Watts but this fluctuates as high as 15Watts periodiclly for a short time (couple of seconds) from checking in HWInfo64. I wonder how Battlemage will improve the encoder (if it does) I will keep an eye on BMG380 in the future.
Can you make a video on how you set it up? I am looking forward to building my pc all by myself from beginning, a pc which can game at higher resolution specially 1440p and also record/stream. Currently i have r5 5600g, 16 gb ddr4, which i built over a period of an year.
A video on my specific recording/streaming setup has been on my mind, but I don’t think I’ll be sitting down to work on a video like that until I get more time on my hands.
Update: there’s a stronger possibility of this happening now that I’ve gotten a bunch more experience with the card. I’ll just have to see what I should do to prepare it.
The 4070 Ti (not 4070 Super) is the lowest price 40 series GPU to have 2 video encoders on it. In fact it has the same encoder setup as the 4090. If you want an upgrade to your gaming performance with AV1 support and Nvidia's superior encoding quality with NVENC, then the 4070 Ti or maybe 4070 Ti Super is a good option. The 2 encoders combined absolutely SMASH tasks like Streaming, Recording, and playing PCVR on a Quest headset at the same time. All of those require pretty heavy encoder usage, but on a 40 with the dual encoders, it's not a tough task. My 3070 Ti can't really do all those things at once, even when I massively reduce the settings.
Hi friend, great informational video. I was curious to know if you needed to install 2 graphics drivers for your intel/Nvidia GPU set up or was the intel plug and play.
@@AOMVideoProductions I haven’t run into any issues with the drivers… yet. However, I am currently trying to troubleshoot a separate issue where my entire system experiences a sort of “hiccup” and my fps completely drops for less than half a second. I don’t know what it’s related to, because I have a friend with the exact same setup, and he has no issues whatsoever.
@@CuervoVirtualSo I finally have an update on what was causing the issue. The a380 is completely idle in my normal use-case, which means no recording or displaying anything. After a certain period of time (which consistently changed upon startup), something, either hardware or software-related, disabled the card entirely. The frametime spikes occurred whenever I switched windows or did anything related to graphics, causing the A380 to be “woken up.” My theory is that Windows likes to have everything active before assigning tasks to the gpu to render, and this is what causes the issue. I’d have to do more research on this, thought it could also be a hardware-specific problem… My fix was to connect my secondary monitor to the A380. This ensures that the A380 will always be utilized in some way, and, so far, the issue has not come up since. I may address this in a sort of follow-up video, where I could also delve into my whole setup with OBS and my other software.
Can I connect an Intel Arc A380 to my secondary PCIe 3.0 slot with only x2 lanes available if I intend to use it solely for real-time AV1 encoding (streaming)? Will there be a performance impact?
I don't know how the gpu will be affected by this honestly... If you want to try, you should be able to purchase and test what streaming is like. If it doesn't work or you have issues, most retailers should allow you to return the card.
@@Aktzin Thank you for your response. There are actually X4 PCIe lanes. I haven't noticed any performance disadvantage compared to the NVEnc codec of my Nvidia card, so I think X4 lanes are sufficient for the AV1 video encoding work.
Can I use the a380 in my dual pc streaming setup? I have a 4090 in my gaming and was gonna put a 4070 in my streaming pc. If this will work better I can save drastically. Oh yeah, I’m using a Elgato capture card as well 4k 60 pro
It will work practically the same I believe, so if you can save the money, it’s a no-brainer in my book. However, I am wondering if you’re planning to edit your streams or if you’re not concerned about that. If you want to edit and you go with the a380, I would set up a fast way to transfer files from the stream PC to your main PC. The RTX 4090 is very good when it comes to editing in Davinci Resolve, and I believe taking full advantage of that is a must.
That's a great video I'm kinda in the same situation. Could you please give more insight on the drivers. Do you just normally install intel GPU drivers and they never interfere with the Nvidia ones or it needed some tweeking ?
Thanks for watching! As for drivers, you should be fine installing them and leaving it at that. However, there are some things in the driver software I like to disable, like the update notifications.
I was waiting for the new Super cards as a consideration to upgrading for AV1 support in my stream rig (not used for any gaming) but nvidia's high costs vs performance just pushes me away so I've been sticking w/ nvenc 264. Given that YT now supports AV1 (Twitch is in the works) I'd like to make the jump and this appears to be a great solution. All I need is AV1 support as I have a 2080 Super for all my display support as I have several. I'm def going to look into this more as a possible solution bc I'm not going to buy a nvidia gpu for $800 just for AV1 support and the low end gpu's like the 4060 is just a slap in the face. I love nvidia's tech but they've grown more and more dishonest to the consumers over the last 3 generations of cards. The 10 series cards and prior where imo nvidia's best years.
ReBar has always been enabled, and I don’t believe my BIOS has CSM because that seems to only be a commercial feature on Ryzen 7000-supported motherboards. My motherboard is a MSI B650 Tomahawk WiFi.
@@Aktzinmy Intel bios had it. And it was in the boot area of the bios . Had to disable mine to enable rebar for my Plex server which I'm told I don't need rebar for transcodes
@@Aktzin from what I was reading online this is supposedly bad for your performance because your CPU has to essentially process everything twice (I am not that knowledgeable on this stuff) Are you doing something different than what might typically be talked about online? Like running a capture card in between the 2 GPUs ?
@@freecommercial If I may clear a misconception, the CPU does not have to process everything twice. What does have to happen is that the CPU must fetch and send the frame data to the secondary GPU for encoding. On more modern CPUs, like my Ryzen 7 7700x, this isn't all that much of a performance hit (around 3% for my use case... if the CPU performance measuring done by OBS is correct). So, that brings to question, where could I be limited? The next place to look is the speed of the PCIe lanes, as well as how many lanes are being allocated to each GPU. If the secondary GPU is hogging the available lanes, the max bandwidth for the primary GPU is affected. From what I've found, the transfer speeds of PCIe gen 4 (which is what I have on my motherboard) is plenty to satisfy the requirements of both cards. Further, my main GPU is not limited by the number of lanes available. This is because it is using the x16 slot. Meanwhile, the Arc GPU is only being allocated 2 PCIe lanes by the system, despite being in an x8 slot. Interestingly, this has very little effect on my experience. Why? because the memory requirements aren't all that high for the card in the first place! TLDR: No, I do not have a capture card between the two cards, and the extra processing done by the CPU has an almost negligible performance hit for my use case.
How is the gaming performance when gaming with your gaming gpu and encoding with your encoding gpu? Is it affected much? Also, are the results similar streaming in comparison to recording? “Just asking for a friend” 😂
Good question! With this setup, my gaming performance is not impacted in the slightest. If you're talking about the quality of your stream vs recording, it all depends on the bitrate and your other recording/streaming settings (in addition to whatever transcoding is done by your chosen streaming platform). If your friend is ok with just having the VOD, then setting up OBS so that the recording uses the stream encoder will result in the stream and recording having the same quality. If better recording quality is required, then the encoding settings will have to be adjusted to allow for that. Luckily, the Intel GPU can easily handle several tasks at once! I can stream my main scene while also separately recording the game source and webcam footage at a much higher quality with practically zero performance impact!
Only thing recording would impact with this config in terms of performance is the cpu slightly. If youy have 8+ cores tho or ecores should be 0 actual performance loss tho even when cou limited as functionally 0 games use the last 2 cores to the fullest anyway.
I bought it as soon as I realized it was on sale: October 7th. The very next day, it was out of stock. I hope they get more stock because I KNOW there’s a market for this card!
@@Aktzin Do you think it will fit on those sff PCs that can only accomodate 1 slot on the bracket? LIke from this example: ua-cam.com/video/X6hv5Fiy-6s/v-deo.html @5:37 The bracket on that gpu is only 1 but from the looks of it, it is thick. Those newer sff pcs like from hp optiplex has a ver narrow space and seems that can only fit like a think gt 1030 or rx 550 low profile cards.
@@jeffjularbal9404 unfortunately, I don’t know if it would fit or not. The A380 is definitely thick for a single slot card, so you’d need to ensure you have enough clearance between the heatsink and anything that may get in the way of the card. See if you can get rough measurements to compare with the thickness of the card.
After the few months I’ve run this thing alongside my 3070, none that I can tell. My main gpu is running completely separately from the secondary gpu, so any game I have running should not be affected.
The Arc A380 has an encoder made by Intel called "QuickSync." The Nvenc encoder is exclusive to Nvidia GPUs, even as AMD has an exclusive encoding engine for their gpus.
Excuse me, I believe you meant this man right here: youtube.com/@Eragon-Oni?si=chsNIby7-9FNCDll Now, if you’ll excuse me, I’m busy living in your walls.
Sorry for the late reply. Yes, I had to install the intel drivers. The easiest way to do this is to go onto the company’s website and search for the arc a380 drivers.
I can understand the sentiment, but in a market with the same two competitors repeatedly following the same formula, I am fully willing to get behind any efforts to shake it up. Hopefully the software advancements intel make here carry over to the next hardware generation.
Bro, this case is what a lot of us have been wanting A vertical gpu mount plus still having slots It’s not hard to find low profile cards I have a wack ton of ‘em I home lab with Optiplex systems Always gotta complain I don’t get it It’d be super wide Btw the arc a380 is a good card Very good card Not everyone games with a 30 or 40 90 I use a RTX A2000 so I can do all types of workloads Just appreciate a bit better of a review Instead of a bash fest on your case which is awesome And the card aswell .
The bashing of the case wasn’t for its looks, it was for my frustration and short-sightedness when it came to finding a cheap secondary gpu on which to use AV1 encoding that could work with it. The A380 has been solid for what I need it to do, and I’m glad that I can now fully enjoy the case without thinking about a gpu upgrade!
DOSBox doesn't work with the Arc cards anymore in Windows 10, since about 3.5 months ago with driver 4676. I really like my Arc a750 a lot, but I have a lot of old games from GOG and Steam that depend on DOSBox working. From what I've read Intel is dismissive of this problem, and may never fix it, so I'll have to eventually switch back to my AMD card, can't stay with the old Arc driver forever just to have DOSBox work. If you don't need DOSBox, then the Arc is a great card.
I’m assuming you’re talking about 5:15. Allow me to clarify: yes, I know AV1 is not 2X as good as H265, and I’m technically losing quality by splitting my bitrate in half, but that wasn’t my point. I was just saying the two were “comparable” in quality, as in they were so similar that you’d be splitting hairs to find major differences. Granted, my H265 settings were very unoptimized with the first comparison, but it was to reflect the actual changes I made after adding the A380, regardless of if my settings were optimized in the first place. I will accept that as an oversight on my part, but it shouldn’t take away from any of the other comparisons, like the direct AV1 and H265 comparison at 5Mbps.
To get normal footage for editing, you need to capture HEVC at 200MB/s, after your done, you take something like FastFlix and re-encode in the background to 25MB/s 10Bit HEVC [or AV1]
@@DjMarroc6450 you do need to install the arc drivers. I haven’t had any major issues with them besides audio-related problems, which I solved by doing a clean install of all my graphics drivers.
The AMD wouldn't suck on AV1 though which was your goal just nvenc and you would of got higher frames and vram
I know I quickly brushed aside the rx 7800xt in the video, but I did it for a few reasons.
1.) I don’t believe AMD’s implementation of AV1 encoding is at the quality of either Intel or Nvidia. That doesn’t mean it’s bad, but I haven’t seen enough benchmarks comparing the three brands to sway me in any direction other than the one that was recommended to me and therefore the one that I went with.
2.) My current use case doesn’t require extra gaming performance. That doesn’t mean I won’t consider a better gpu in the future, but the games I play run just fine.
3.) I didn’t want to go through the hassle of selling off my RTX 3070 to justify any extra money spent on a new gpu.
Believe me, I considered the option, but the combination of these factors led me to buying the A380, which has had proven AV1 performance for a cheaper overall price.
@@Aktzin the issue is the image you posted to prove AMDs wasent good in encoding had nothing to do with the use case which was misleading and now phrasings I have enough performance which is technically the same is I chose less performance on purpose seem weird reasoning especially considering the 3070 doesn't even have enough vram for new ue5 titles even at 1080p.
I get it works for you but people will be and you also suggested this was the superior way to do things based on these grounds
@@wrusst My intention was never to mislead anyone, I apologize if that was the interpreted direction. As for the image, my editor and I struggled to find any relevant AV1 encoding benchmarks that used AMD. The closest I found was a Tom’s Hardware comparison, and they offered the same conclusion and sentiment I shared in the video: AMD still underperforms in encoding when compared to competitors.
Now, I do take issue with the equivocation that me being fine with my current performance is like me choosing to have less performance. This is a complete misrepresentation of what my sentiments were before buying the A380. Yes, the 7800xt performs better than my current gpu, but why should I go through the hassle of changing my setup for a 20-25% fps increase when I’m already getting good framerates on the few games I have time to play? I’d rather wait a couple more years when I have extra time (and money) to grab a card that gives me an even better performance uplift! Could I enjoy the 7800xt now? Sure, but like I said, it’s an extra hassle, and I’m fine with what I have. The upgrade can wait for the next generation.
This actually leads me to another point: I didn’t care about increasing performance, my goal with buying the A380 was to have stable streaming/recording sessions without spending more than what was necessary. When I stream, I run three separate encoding tasks: my stream (limited to internet speed), my webcam, and my source gameplay (high bitrate). No matter what configuration I used with my old setup, I was sacrificing performance or overloading my encoder. I had to use my laptop to avoid this, which created a ton of other issues I don’t want to delve into. I was able to offload all of my encoding tasks to the A380 and now everything works the way I want; I have complete flexibility when it comes to the creative process. Whether you think it’s the best solution or not, my opinion that the A380 can benefit almost any streamer has not changed.
@@AktzinI will have to watch the video again as I missed the part you was to busy to sell your card, setting up a dual PC is easier than a single card swap and you also mentioning the XT would have more frames also but did see you state the 4070 had better frames .
Also I tried to look up your toms hardware article maybe I'm reading this wrong but it states the AV1 is better than intel which opposite to what you said but you wouldn't think that reading Tom conclusion who is historically pro intel to quote .
I must missed the part where you said AMD has better AV1. Maybe like your table you quoted you didn't add the AV1 part just read the HEVC part ? But I'm no expert on coding but the graphs are there to see
Toms hardware "AMD's RDNA 3 for example does better with AV1 than with HEVC by 1-2 points. Nvidia's Ada cards achieve their best results so far, with about a 2 point improvement over HEVC. Intel's Arc GPUs go the other way and score 2-3 points lower in AV1 versus HEVC. As for the libsvtav1 codec CPU results, it's basically tied with HEVC at 8Mbps, but leads by 1.6 points at 6Mbps and has a relatively substantial 5 point lead at 3Mpbs."
Although they do mention they messed up there testing.
@@wrusst so on further inspection, Intel consistently performed a bit better than AMD, but slightly worse than Nvidia according to their AV1 graphs. My bad on that part, though I would like to note that they tested with the 7900XTX, and I'm not completely sure what difference there would be with a 7800XT. The table used in the video came from a channel called EposVox, who looks at a lot of AV1 and streaming stuff. He hasn't made an update with the AMD or Nvidia AV1 encoders yet though.
The dual PC thing I can't do because 1.) I don't really want to spend the money to set up a completely separate rig, and 2.) I have to transport my laptop to and from college every day, so it becomes inconvenient to set up every single time. Remember, I'm a college student majoring in engineering, I am trying to be cost-effective, and my patience is already spread thin for a lot of things (I'm actually typing this during one of my assignment breaks).
Final thing, it's worth considering what I'll be able to do with the A380 when it becomes feasible for me to buy a gpu that can handle literally everything. As an example, I could use it in a simple SFF media PC when I'm done with it in my main build. This way, it'll still be useful until it is completely obsolete. I'd be using my equipment until the end of its lifecycle, just like most technology should be used. Gotta get back to work now, have a good evening!
Glad I got to help work on this video, editing it was a blast! Love the result :) 👍♥
I love it when people shared their use-specific scenario, and there are people who are in the same situation (re: me). I love QSV quality on both H.264 or H.265, but livestream using UHD 770 HEVC on 1440p 60fps is just tough, and I won't do >6Mbps; just a waste of bandwidth. Having 6800XT, I'm in the same boat as you that I won't buy a new gaming GPU any time soon as it should last me for years. So yeah, stumbled upon your vid in my reco. Thanks for clarifying my doubt that I can do this!
WOW!!! This video has such an amazing production to it! This is nearly on par with GN imo. Keep up the great work!
Keeping up will be a problem considering, y'know, college, but doing good work when I have the time is at least manageable!
Bro is like perfect story teller
It does help that I tend to spend a lot of time focusing on how I script and word things! Can't say I'd be as good if I had to go off the cuff 😅
Great job on this video!
I remember seeing low profile arc a380s being discussed online, but no retail or even oem models were out at the time. I went with a more expensive a2000 for my travel pc, but glad to finally see them out in the wild.
The RTX A2000 is by far a better LP card for gaming, even after all the driver optimizations Intel has done, AV1 codec support is the only thing it does better than the RTX A2000. IMO if i were building SFF low power gaming system RTX A2000 would be at the top of my list. Though I think the RTX 4060 does have a LP card but it still requires supplemental PCIe power
@@esotericjahanism5251 I needed something for video out, didn't need anything crazy for gaming on it. My motherboard doesn't have any video outs(bit older)and hardware video decode/encode with av1 would have been nice, but ill settle with the a2000 i have.
This video hit me like a truck. I never thought a video like this one would hit me in the feels the way it did. The A380 aside, I too was a young kid in middle school who got into PC gaming because a computer was all my humble family had. Saving up money for parts, getting my first video card which was a nVidia 9600 GSO, and then I was inspired to study Electrical Engineering. Life had other plans, but the variety of interests I had growing up served me well since I became a software engineer who's built stuff that impacted millions. Your inquisitive nature to understand the workings of codecs will serve you well as you learn more challenging topics. Don't give up and I hope to see you one day designing new compute architectures for generations to come!
I have RX 7800 XT with the dual media engine and it makes miracles with AV1 at 8K. Intel gpus are very good to buy , can't wait for the Battlemage gpus.
Great video man, just picked up this card for my SFF build. Got more excited after watching this.
Outstanding! Good Job.
Man, no shout out for carrying blals's ass in the b roll?
Jokes aside I was solidly entertained
Excellent config, I have a Rx 6650 XT as my main GPU, and a GTX 1050 as secondary GPU for video editing and streaming (since the AMD card is not very good for that), this dual GPU configuration works well for me, but now I will change the GTX 1050 for the Arc A380 to have more quality in video editing and more quality in streaming.
BRO PLS MAKE VIDEO ON WHAT SETTINGS YOU USE ON OBS TO RECORD GAMEPLAY WITH DUAL GPU
Quick tip. Keep a chopstick, dowel, pencil or similar around to be able to push down on hard to reach retainer (GPU release).
Dude I love the Sonic Adventure 2 pins
Thanks! Those were from a friend of mine. I've since added a few more Sonic-related items. To quote an old show, it's way past cool!
Got it for $99 during Black Friday at Newegg
Can you test the deep link technology. Intel igpu can link with the dedicated arc gpu for better encoding performance.
Unfortunately, that’s not something I can do. I use an AMD cpu. Hope you can find someone who tests this!
thank you dude. I've been looking for a Solution to Pixelated streams.
Really tempted to buy one too not only for av1 encoding but also separate video decoding for my 2nd monitor because video lags at 1080p currently with my gpu going flat out while gaming. Not only that but unlike an igpu, it's powerful enough to run wallpaper engine on the 2nd monitor and ill be able to leave it unpaused while gaming
Have you tested regular encoding such as for exporting Davinci Resolve videos? It’ll probably be more space efficient but wondering if it’ll be faster than a 3080 running NVENC
Edit: Just tried software AV1. Got a smaller file size than NVENC, but my CPU is struggling to play back the video which would be a problem in the free version of Resolve since hardware decode is only in the paid version
I’m not entirely sure… I found a pugetsystems article that benchmarks the A770 and the Rtx 4060 in h264 and hevc encoding scenarios. It seemed to me like Nvidia was faster with h264, but Intel beat Nvidia with HEVC. If you already have the 3080 and are mainly looking at encoding video edits, I feel that the performance is close enough that you shouldn’t have to worry about buying a separate card specifically for encoding. Still, the benefits of AV1 are enough for me to feel that an A380 purchase is reasonable.
@@AktzinYeah, the A770 is probably closer to a regular GPU, so I’m assuming it’ll have better encodes. There isn’t much out there on the A380 for AV1. I’m probably going to get one to test but my second slot is only Gen 3 x4 speeds.
Have you had any problems if you’re also running at Gen 3 x4?
@@SomethingAzn none that I can tell. Then again, I only really use it to encode.
@@Aktzin Dang, I just checked and my slot it the very last one, so I can only fit a one slot card. Which the A310 is but only has 4GB VRAM or the A60 which isn’t out for retail consumers yet
how is this for archiving movies?
If you’re asking about video transcoding, this GPU should be effective for that. I have a friend who uses it in a media server.
Very happy I came across this video. Been contemplating attempting a dual GPU system for a while now in hopes to capture better gameplay footage. Have you had any issues running two separate GPU's in one system?
The biggest (and only) issue I've run into so far has been a weird frame skip issue across my entire system that lasts for a little less than half a second whenever the A380 is active. It affects games, audio, mouse movement, windows opening/minimizing, etc.. It's very strange; sometimes it's nonexistent, other times it happens every 5 seconds! I've tried all sorts of things to fix the problem, but nothing's worked yet. I still have a few potential fixes to try. I'll provide an update if anything happens.
So I finally have an update on what was going on as I’ve done a lot more testing on my end:
The a380 was completely idle in my normal use-case, which means no recording or displaying anything. After a certain period of time (which consistently changed upon startup), something, either hardware or software-related, disabled the card entirely. The frametime spikes occurred whenever I switched windows or did anything related to graphics, causing the A380 to be “woken up.” My theory is that Windows likes to have everything active before assigning tasks to the gpu to render, and this is what causes the issue.
My fix was to connect my secondary monitor to the A380. This ensures that the A380 will always be utilized in some way, and, so far, the issue has not come up since. I may address this in a sort of follow-up video, where I could also delve into my whole setup with OBS and my other software.
nice info. thanks alot @@Aktzin
Please do an In-depth review for this LP GPU.
Sorry, but I’m not sure how much more I could do to review this… Time is scarce for me and I don’t really use this gpu for anything other than AV1 encoding. If you want more gaming benchmarks, you can try searching for a gamer’s nexus review of a normal A380 or perhaps another channel’s review. Again, I apologize for being unable to help.
How are you encoding video with the Arc A380 while gaming on the AMD card? Are you using MSI Afterburner? or something else?
I record video using OBS. To get the encoder to work, you need to install the intel graphics drivers. From there, you can select the "Quicksync AV1" setting within the OBS output settings. As long as your primary GPU is set as the "primary" gpu in windows, you don't have to worry about gaming on a different card than the one you use to encode.
tbh, thanks for your vide didn't know it was possible to have a dedicated encoding card, so I built en entire new PC, for just streaming even though I may buy the AV1 a plug onto that pc, it's impresive nice video.
Hey! Loved the video! Question: did you use Handbrake to do the hardware encodefrom h264 to AV1?
Glad you liked the video! I didn’t use Handbrake to re-encode though. In fact, the source footage I used was done in AV1, then I just recorded over the source footage with OBS for each scenario to sort of simulate what to expect from real-time recording at the bitrates I use.
@@Aktzinhave you messed with xsplit
@@owomoshi-gaming not really. The last time I ever used xsplit was at least 6 years ago!
@@AktzinIt's pretty good now days. Obs I don't know I never really liked it.
Keep it up man. When looking at jobs after you graduate. Consider the job, the pay, and especially the benefits. You can be paid less than another computer but get more benefits. Sometimes those benefits dont matter as much to an individual. But don't lose focus on save for retirement
I have a Nvidia RTX 2070 super video card in my Stream PC, but that video card does not support AV1, so I have 2 choices, get a new RTX 40 series video card, like a 4070. Or keep the 2070 for normal usage and also get a Intel a380 (or other Intel cards that are similar) for just encoding AV1 for streaming. If might do the latter, but as long as I can fit it in my PC case. That is something I need to figure out.
Sorry for the late reply. That definitely seems like a scenario where getting the a380 would be a decent option. I’m of the opinion that waiting for the “right” generation to do a full gpu upgrade is better than upgrading to get the “latest” in everything. Grabbing the A380 is a cheap way of ensuring you have AV1 for the foreseeable future, so you wouldn’t have to consider it too much later on when doing a primary gpu upgrade.
Also worth noting that regardless the new 4070 will still have performance hurt slightly when recording while with the a380 all the load of encoding is on that not your gaming gpu.
Great video dude! I'm thinking about going this route as well. Instead of replacing my AMD XFX 6600 for the 7600 xt that's coming out on the 24th. I'll just buy this ARc intel A380 to do the rendering and streaming. Also can you show us how you setup everything in OBS to recognize the intel arc card for recording/ streaming? While using the AMD to game?
Whether you replace your gpu or not honestly depends on the situation. If you haven’t made a purchase yet, I still recommend buying the a380! On the other hand, if performance by itself is a problem for you, even without recording, it might be a good idea to look at a more powerful gpu to replace your current one and wait to grab secondary gpu for encoding. Perhaps take a look at the 4060 or better? Maybe even the AMD equivalent.
Anyway, I for sure want to make another video on how I set everything up, and it will go FAR beyond OBS stuff. We’ll just wait and see what happens…
intel and nvidia also have significantly higher quality video encoders compared to AMD. Even without av1 the quality will improve significantly at the same bitrate. Tomshardware details this in their video encoding quality comparison if you want to read more.
Do you use a riser cable in your case?
The Hyte Y60 comes with a riser cable. This case is specifically designed for your GPU to be vertically mounted, as there are no full-size slots available with the typical orientation.
I've been thinking on whether or not i should get an RTX 4000s card or an arc card for better encoding, i thought that arc cards kinda suck but this video really changed my opinion on arc cards!
What about the drivers ??? Di you have any issue with them?? Did you have to install arc's drivers?
Can you use it to transcode h265/h264 to av1 in shutter encoder?
Hello to all the members! I am new to this community and am seeking some answers.
I already have a PC built with an i7-12700K processor and an RTX 3090, but I want to record using OBS primarily and possibly stream later on. However, when I currently record with OBS, even with a 25000 bitrate using NVENC H.264, the quality is not satisfactory. I've tried numerous settings, but unfortunately, I haven't achieved the desired quality while maintaining smooth gameplay.
So, I am considering three options:
Option 1: Work around with my current setup.
Option 2: Purchase an RTX 40 series GPU for AV1 encoding.
Option 3: Buy an Intel A380 as a second GPU in my build specifically for recording gameplay.
I appreciate any advice or suggestions you may have on improving my recording and streaming setup.
With your current setup, you should be able to use your CPU’s dedicated
hardware encoder. It should offload any recording tasks to the integrated graphics. You may need to install intel graphics drivers for it to work. In OBS, the encoder should appear as QSV H265. With H265, you should be fine with 15000 for your bitrate and the “veryslow” preset. Another thing to look for is if you’re downscaling your recording from your native resolution. Avoid doing so, as it could be a cause for worse quality. Hope this helps!
@@Aktzinit doesn't have av1 tho
@@Frozoken true, neither of his current devices have av1 (though that could be different now due to a couple months passing), but I felt that trying to help solve the issue with current hardware was appropriate. Buying the A380 is still very much an option if you want to have AV1 encoding capabilities!
Good video albeit there is a audio sync issue
Nice video, can I ask you, how much power consumption has the a380 when you use it only for av1 encoding? Thanks
I never went above 20 Watts when the only thing being done was AV1 encoding. That’s what I remember, because I haven’t had much time to test anything else out. In the video, you can see that it should hover around 15-17 Watts. I hope this helps!
@@Aktzin thank you for the answer, yeah I saw the video, and at idle have you seen how much power consumption has? My motherboard has a second full size PCIe but is PCIe3.0 and x4. Will it work?
@@carlosm9680yes thats fine u aren't using much pcie bandwidth with just encoding. Hell external gpu enclosure use thunderbolt, which is pcie 3x4 and they offer 4090's sometimes. Ofc it performs much worse (about 40% worse tops) than normal but it's a 4090 and it's been used for gaming
Hey man, just have to say, I absolutely love this video. I'm actually planning on building a low profile pc with this graphics card. I know it wouldn't be ideal but perhaps could you make a video testing it out with some games in 1080p? Just curious...anyways keep up the good work. One of the most informational videos I have ever seen. FINALLY A VIDEO ON THE LP ARC A380😁😁😁
Glad you enjoyed! I don’t think I’ll be making a benchmarking video, but there should be a few reviews on the A380 out there, just not on this specific low profile model. Good luck!
I’m looking now on Lenovo loq 15iax9i with Intel arc a530m. I need the dedicated streaming pc. What your thoughts on it? It has only gb of vram. Can it be problem?
I don’t know as much about the laptop side of things, especially regarding that gpu. The tech specs on intel’s website says the Arc A530m supports AV1 encode, but there is also a possibility that it depends on what the laptop manufacturer chooses.
Hi, did you enable Re sizable bar? Or ReBar in your motherboard?
Yes, I did. Very important to have on for this card!
@@Aktzin I'm unsure what to do here.
I have a dual pc streaming thing. I want to get this arc for my dedicated streaming pc. My motherboard supports it but cpu is old intel 8700k which doest. So im stuck here
@@Aktzin hey thanks for thr reply,. That is appropriated
Should i proceed with buying an arc? Or drop thr idea
@@BaneCodes I see… yeah this is a situation where going for the Arc GPU may not be the best idea. I’m not too sure about other affordable cards that have AV1 support, but, in the meantime, the 8700k should have Quicksync. I believe you’ll still have decent quality streams, just not encoded in AV1
do I have to connect this card to a monitor just to use the AV1 encoder?
@@Jeremiah_Ulanday as long as the drivers are installed, you should be able to use the AV1 encoder with no problems.
I'm interested in buying this card but only for media, not for gaming. Does it have 0 RPM mode so the fans don't spin when not heavily loaded? And also, when loaded, how is the fan noise?
That's something I haven't checked, but according to ASRock's website, this model has "0dB Silent Cooling" which seems to be what you're looking for. I don't think the fans on this gpu run in my build, but if they have, I cannot hear them over the other case fans.
Hi, how is the noise but then I guess with a dual GPU setup the main card will be much louder
The Arc gpu has been running without its fans for basically the entire time I’ve been using it. I also haven’t really noticed a difference in the system noise, so take that for what you will.
@@Aktzin Thanks, have you tested it whilst streaming and recording in AV1 at the same time? If so, how does it perform, do you notice any lag.
@@SuspiciousPixels good question! The card can record my webcam, gameplay, and stream, all in AV1 at the same time! In addition, I do not have any lag while doing so.
@@Aktzin finally got mine and installed it. I can confirm that it can handle recording and streaming simultaneously but the power draw is 30Watts instead of 20Watts. Whilst just streaming alone it has a 20 Watt load and the fan doesn't spin but at 30Watt the fans spin but as I suspected the system and CPU fans are far more louder than it. Idle power draw is around 7Watts but this fluctuates as high as 15Watts periodiclly for a short time (couple of seconds) from checking in HWInfo64.
I wonder how Battlemage will improve the encoder (if it does) I will keep an eye on BMG380 in the future.
Can you make a video on how you set it up? I am looking forward to building my pc all by myself from beginning, a pc which can game at higher resolution specially 1440p and also record/stream. Currently i have r5 5600g, 16 gb ddr4, which i built over a period of an year.
A video on my specific recording/streaming setup has been on my mind, but I don’t think I’ll be sitting down to work on a video like that until I get more time on my hands.
Update: there’s a stronger possibility of this happening now that I’ve gotten a bunch more experience with the card. I’ll just have to see what I should do to prepare it.
The 4070 Ti (not 4070 Super) is the lowest price 40 series GPU to have 2 video encoders on it. In fact it has the same encoder setup as the 4090. If you want an upgrade to your gaming performance with AV1 support and Nvidia's superior encoding quality with NVENC, then the 4070 Ti or maybe 4070 Ti Super is a good option. The 2 encoders combined absolutely SMASH tasks like Streaming, Recording, and playing PCVR on a Quest headset at the same time. All of those require pretty heavy encoder usage, but on a 40 with the dual encoders, it's not a tough task. My 3070 Ti can't really do all those things at once, even when I massively reduce the settings.
Hi friend, great informational video. I was curious to know if you needed to install 2 graphics drivers for your intel/Nvidia GPU set up or was the intel plug and play.
Glad you enjoyed the video! You will need to install drivers for the intel gpu regardless. Hope this helps!
@@Aktzin do you have issues running 2 different sets of GPU drivers?
@@AOMVideoProductions I haven’t run into any issues with the drivers… yet. However, I am currently trying to troubleshoot a separate issue where my entire system experiences a sort of “hiccup” and my fps completely drops for less than half a second. I don’t know what it’s related to, because I have a friend with the exact same setup, and he has no issues whatsoever.
@@Aktzinreinstall windows possible fix 👍 , change nvme, SSD , or ram , configs and supply power
@@CuervoVirtualSo I finally have an update on what was causing the issue.
The a380 is completely idle in my normal use-case, which means no recording or displaying anything. After a certain period of time (which consistently changed upon startup), something, either hardware or software-related, disabled the card entirely. The frametime spikes occurred whenever I switched windows or did anything related to graphics, causing the A380 to be “woken up.” My theory is that Windows likes to have everything active before assigning tasks to the gpu to render, and this is what causes the issue. I’d have to do more research on this, thought it could also be a hardware-specific problem…
My fix was to connect my secondary monitor to the A380. This ensures that the A380 will always be utilized in some way, and, so far, the issue has not come up since. I may address this in a sort of follow-up video, where I could also delve into my whole setup with OBS and my other software.
Can I connect an Intel Arc A380 to my secondary PCIe 3.0 slot with only x2 lanes available if I intend to use it solely for real-time AV1 encoding (streaming)? Will there be a performance impact?
I don't know how the gpu will be affected by this honestly... If you want to try, you should be able to purchase and test what streaming is like. If it doesn't work or you have issues, most retailers should allow you to return the card.
@@Aktzin Thank you for your response. There are actually X4 PCIe lanes. I haven't noticed any performance disadvantage compared to the NVEnc codec of my Nvidia card, so I think X4 lanes are sufficient for the AV1 video encoding work.
Can I use the a380 in my dual pc streaming setup? I have a 4090 in my gaming and was gonna put a 4070 in my streaming pc. If this will work better I can save drastically. Oh yeah, I’m using a Elgato capture card as well 4k 60 pro
It will work practically the same I believe, so if you can save the money, it’s a no-brainer in my book. However, I am wondering if you’re planning to edit your streams or if you’re not concerned about that. If you want to edit and you go with the a380, I would set up a fast way to transfer files from the stream PC to your main PC. The RTX 4090 is very good when it comes to editing in Davinci Resolve, and I believe taking full advantage of that is a must.
What's your motherboard?
I have the MSI B650 Tomahawk WiFi. It has a good amount of I/O, and the WiFi has been very solid for me!
I'll pretend I know what the words I heard meant
TBH Even I get confused about all the naming and schemes. Tech company marketing isn't always the best it seems lol.
That's a great video I'm kinda in the same situation. Could you please give more insight on the drivers. Do you just normally install intel GPU drivers and they never interfere with the Nvidia ones or it needed some tweeking ?
Thanks for watching! As for drivers, you should be fine installing them and leaving it at that. However, there are some things in the driver software I like to disable, like the update notifications.
I was waiting for the new Super cards as a consideration to upgrading for AV1 support in my stream rig (not used for any gaming) but nvidia's high costs vs performance just pushes me away so I've been sticking w/ nvenc 264. Given that YT now supports AV1 (Twitch is in the works) I'd like to make the jump and this appears to be a great solution. All I need is AV1 support as I have a 2080 Super for all my display support as I have several. I'm def going to look into this more as a possible solution bc I'm not going to buy a nvidia gpu for $800 just for AV1 support and the low end gpu's like the 4060 is just a slap in the face. I love nvidia's tech but they've grown more and more dishonest to the consumers over the last 3 generations of cards. The 10 series cards and prior where imo nvidia's best years.
did you enable ReBar ? and disable CSM?
ReBar has always been enabled, and I don’t believe my BIOS has CSM because that seems to only be a commercial feature on Ryzen 7000-supported motherboards. My motherboard is a MSI B650 Tomahawk WiFi.
@@Aktzinmy Intel bios had it. And it was in the boot area of the bios . Had to disable mine to enable rebar for my Plex server which I'm told I don't need rebar for transcodes
Wow, so we're going back to dual cards for dual purposes, similar to how the mid 90's used a 2d card and a 3d card when 3dfx hit the market
We’re you playing on the main gpu while recording with the Intel ?
Yes, I was.
@@Aktzin from what I was reading online this is supposedly bad for your performance because your CPU has to essentially process everything twice (I am not that knowledgeable on this stuff)
Are you doing something different than what might typically be talked about online? Like running a capture card in between the 2 GPUs ?
@@freecommercial If I may clear a misconception, the CPU does not have to process everything twice. What does have to happen is that the CPU must fetch and send the frame data to the secondary GPU for encoding. On more modern CPUs, like my Ryzen 7 7700x, this isn't all that much of a performance hit (around 3% for my use case... if the CPU performance measuring done by OBS is correct).
So, that brings to question, where could I be limited? The next place to look is the speed of the PCIe lanes, as well as how many lanes are being allocated to each GPU. If the secondary GPU is hogging the available lanes, the max bandwidth for the primary GPU is affected. From what I've found, the transfer speeds of PCIe gen 4 (which is what I have on my motherboard) is plenty to satisfy the requirements of both cards.
Further, my main GPU is not limited by the number of lanes available. This is because it is using the x16 slot. Meanwhile, the Arc GPU is only being allocated 2 PCIe lanes by the system, despite being in an x8 slot. Interestingly, this has very little effect on my experience. Why? because the memory requirements aren't all that high for the card in the first place!
TLDR: No, I do not have a capture card between the two cards, and the extra processing done by the CPU has an almost negligible performance hit for my use case.
How is the gaming performance when gaming with your gaming gpu and encoding with your encoding gpu? Is it affected much? Also, are the results similar streaming in comparison to recording? “Just asking for a friend” 😂
Good question! With this setup, my gaming performance is not impacted in the slightest. If you're talking about the quality of your stream vs recording, it all depends on the bitrate and your other recording/streaming settings (in addition to whatever transcoding is done by your chosen streaming platform). If your friend is ok with just having the VOD, then setting up OBS so that the recording uses the stream encoder will result in the stream and recording having the same quality. If better recording quality is required, then the encoding settings will have to be adjusted to allow for that. Luckily, the Intel GPU can easily handle several tasks at once! I can stream my main scene while also separately recording the game source and webcam footage at a much higher quality with practically zero performance impact!
Only thing recording would impact with this config in terms of performance is the cpu slightly. If youy have 8+ cores tho or ecores should be 0 actual performance loss tho even when cou limited as functionally 0 games use the last 2 cores to the fullest anyway.
compression ratio av1 better than h265 by far (in same file quality)
When did you bought it? It's out of stock in newegg rn.
I bought it as soon as I realized it was on sale: October 7th. The very next day, it was out of stock. I hope they get more stock because I KNOW there’s a market for this card!
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Do you think it will fit on those sff PCs that can only accomodate 1 slot on the bracket?
LIke from this example: ua-cam.com/video/X6hv5Fiy-6s/v-deo.html @5:37
The bracket on that gpu is only 1 but from the looks of it, it is thick. Those newer sff pcs like from hp optiplex has a ver narrow space and seems that can only fit like a think gt 1030 or rx 550 low profile cards.
@@jeffjularbal9404 unfortunately, I don’t know if it would fit or not. The A380 is definitely thick for a single slot card, so you’d need to ensure you have enough clearance between the heatsink and anything that may get in the way of the card. See if you can get rough measurements to compare with the thickness of the card.
Did you notice any hits to gaming performance?
After the few months I’ve run this thing alongside my 3070, none that I can tell. My main gpu is running completely separately from the secondary gpu, so any game I have running should not be affected.
I buy this graphic card for my dell inspiron and is amazing!
It didn’t sink in
Does have nvenc encoder?
The Arc A380 has an encoder made by Intel called "QuickSync." The Nvenc encoder is exclusive to Nvidia GPUs, even as AMD has an exclusive encoding engine for their gpus.
This guy legit the first thing that you think of when you think about a basement dweller
Excuse me, I believe you meant this man right here:
youtube.com/@Eragon-Oni?si=chsNIby7-9FNCDll
Now, if you’ll excuse me, I’m busy living in your walls.
an engineering student...?
im a cs student. Dont change shit. Time to get out of the basement and hit the gym. Talk to some women. etc. @@PerfectMachine
I thought of your mum 😂
And you’re an anime dweeb. Who’s asking?
Did you have to download intel drivers for this?
Sorry for the late reply. Yes, I had to install the intel drivers. The easiest way to do this is to go onto the company’s website and search for the arc a380 drivers.
@@Aktzin Oh alright and np
Dual gpu’s doesn’t work with OBS and will hurt gaming performance.
Bro has the reddit discord accent 😭. Keep up the good work tho🎉
Intel GPUs are like paying to be beta testers ngl, even for $80 it's not the worst budget gpu but it's meh
I can understand the sentiment, but in a market with the same two competitors repeatedly following the same formula, I am fully willing to get behind any efforts to shake it up. Hopefully the software advancements intel make here carry over to the next hardware generation.
Bro, this case is what a lot of us have been wanting
A vertical gpu mount plus still having slots
It’s not hard to find low profile cards
I have a wack ton of ‘em
I home lab with Optiplex systems
Always gotta complain I don’t get it
It’d be super wide
Btw the arc a380 is a good card
Very good card
Not everyone games with a 30 or 40 90
I use a RTX A2000 so I can do all types of workloads
Just appreciate a bit better of a review
Instead of a bash fest on your case which is awesome
And the card aswell
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The bashing of the case wasn’t for its looks, it was for my frustration and short-sightedness when it came to finding a cheap secondary gpu on which to use AV1 encoding that could work with it. The A380 has been solid for what I need it to do, and I’m glad that I can now fully enjoy the case without thinking about a gpu upgrade!
DOSBox doesn't work with the Arc cards anymore in Windows 10, since about 3.5 months ago with driver 4676. I really like my Arc a750 a lot, but I have a lot of old games from GOG and Steam that depend on DOSBox working. From what I've read Intel is dismissive of this problem, and may never fix it, so I'll have to eventually switch back to my AMD card, can't stay with the old Arc driver forever just to have DOSBox work. If you don't need DOSBox, then the Arc is a great card.
AV1 is not 2X more efficient than H.265 so you are loosing quality by cutting the bitrate by half
I’m assuming you’re talking about 5:15. Allow me to clarify: yes, I know AV1 is not 2X as good as H265, and I’m technically losing quality by splitting my bitrate in half, but that wasn’t my point. I was just saying the two were “comparable” in quality, as in they were so similar that you’d be splitting hairs to find major differences. Granted, my H265 settings were very unoptimized with the first comparison, but it was to reflect the actual changes I made after adding the A380, regardless of if my settings were optimized in the first place. I will accept that as an oversight on my part, but it shouldn’t take away from any of the other comparisons, like the direct AV1 and H265 comparison at 5Mbps.
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To get normal footage for editing, you need to capture HEVC at 200MB/s, after your done, you take something like FastFlix and re-encode in the background to 25MB/s 10Bit HEVC [or AV1]
there is no world where 200MB/s is considered “normal footage” lmao
What about the drivers ??? Di you have any issue with them?? Did you have to install arc's drivers?
@@DjMarroc6450 you do need to install the arc drivers. I haven’t had any major issues with them besides audio-related problems, which I solved by doing a clean install of all my graphics drivers.
@@Aktzin thanks for anwering .. so did you install both drivers Nvidias and Intels ?
@@DjMarroc6450 yes, I installed both.