The ICRC Wants To Stop War Crimes In Video Games, So Here's How To Commit More.
Вставка
- Опубліковано 8 чер 2024
- Local Monotone Midwestern Man Declares War Against Red Cross, Declares "I Am An Advocate For Gamers™ Rights". Their Channel Was Immediately Demonetized And They're Now Placed On A Watchlist, More At Seven.
Links of Several Varieties:
A tree, made of links: linktr.ee/daveygunface
Patreon: / daveygunface
I Was Hiding, Hahaha, Grrr: / daveygunface
Buy My Terrible Things: daveygun.place
Twitter: / daveygunfaceiv
Funny Fallout 4 Bug: • Funny Fallout 4 Bug
Timestamps:
0:00 The Intro, Presumably
0:54 Announcing the End of Davey Gunface
1:16 Just Kidding L0L
1:22 The Red Crosses Boring Rules That Are Boring
5:17 New Rule #1
6:50 New Rule #2
9:13 New Rule #3
10:13 New Rule #4
11:28 New Rule #5
11:51 Thanks for everything!!
Music Used: Fallout 3 - Tranquility Lane , Fire Emblem Awakening - ......, Temmie Village - Undertale, Nuclear Throne - IDPD Captain, Super Meat Boy - McLarty Party People, Halo 2 - Peril, FFXII - The Skycity of Bhujerba, Off - The Meaning Of His Tears, OneShot - On Little Cat Feet, Off - Not Safe, FFVII - Victory Fanfare - Ігри
attacking medical personel is a war crime. number 1 rule in video games, kill the healer first.
Real-life medical personnel can't restore an injured soldier to full combat readiness in a matter of seconds. If they could, I GUARANTEE you that attacking medical personnel would not be a war crime, it would be good strategy.
@@CantusTropus also imagine if combined with healing people on both sides... you patch up an enemy, in 5 seconds, he eitehr shoots your buddies, giving you more work as a medic, or he shoots YOU instead
@@CantusTropusyep, casualties are a good thing for your enemy. You have to spend time energy and resources healing a guy over a LONG time. Digging a mass grave is easier than hospitalizing thousands.
Like that one story of the Byzantine or ottoman king/emperor/general. Whatever. The story of the military leader who blinded all the captured enemies aside from one. Leaving one man with sight to lead them all back home to suck up resources caring for blind people.
@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 Well, that and the fact that, all things considered, we would like wars to have as few deaths as possible. Human deaths are of course inevitable in war, but we shouldn't relish them. Killing people who are no longer a threat is barbaric, as is deliberately killing noncombatants trying to prevent those deaths.
Don't count your war crimes, make your war crimes count...
If only video games were real.
Education for nukes and toxic waste when
Make other people argue over the count of your warcrimes
Remember guys, real change starts with (white phosphor)us
Ah an ends justify the means guy. I remember getting called the war criminal in my community because I accidentally shot a civilian that looks like a hostile. Got court mashalled but the charges were dropped. Yup I'm a murderer. And yes I shot a man that supports the government that looks like a soldier.
"Remember kids, killing an enemy puts one soldier out of commission. Gravely injuring him keeps two others out of the battlefield for the price of one."
_- Sun Tzu, The Art of War Crimes_
Thats why anti personel mines arent meant to kill them
Pretty sure Sun Tzu wasn't quite so bloodthirsty when he wrote his book.
@@yaelz6043 Sun Tsu was more of a, The best battle is one you trick your enemy into having with somebody else," kind of guy. He saw attacking people as a waste of resources that were needed for more important things, like deterring enemy attacks.
@@MrFelblood Oda Nobunaga on the other hand...
Injuring medic puts 3 people out of commission and can't help others. Make sure to target medics
Rule 4 goes against basic military policy in all NATO and Russian nations.
Your IFAK (individual first aid kit) is for YOU only. If you get hit, a friendly soldier is supposed to use your IFAK on you, and vice versa.
They literally come with a little message stamped on them that says "This is for your use only, DO NOT USE ON OTHERS".
lol
i guess they mean if youre carrying a medkit that isnt your ifak but still
@@Cloaker86 Probably they meant if you're in position to help a wounded - you should do it, no matter if it friend or foe
I think the real issue with rule 4 (Since yea they probably meant medkits other than your IFAK since usually games don't even GIVE you an IFAK) is the fact that yea, caring for a wounded soldier IRL makes sense, but video game medkits bring people back from the brink of death right back to fighting fit mid-combat. Which isn't really practical to start handing to enemies.
@@aquamarinerose5405hell i cant count one game that will let you do that because WHY WOULD YOU DO SOMETHING SO STUPID
the ICRC conveniently forgets the fact that war criminals aren't usually considered war criminals unless they lose
right? only reason us isn't considered country of war criminal is because they won lol
Considered, yes. Prosecuted, no.
@@AathielVaDaath also operation paperclip, unit 731 cover up…
AKA America
@@guyshu7821AKA every country that has won a war?
Remember, the worst crime in war is losing
Avoid that, and the rest will be forgiven
War crimes really are just a way to legally punish the losers. The Treaty of Versailles was remembered poorly so they made an excuse to make that vengeance stuff okay.
I mean basically, yeah. Ever notice how only the losers in a conflict are tried for war crimes? One has to wonder...
That sounds like The Soldier from Team Fortress would say it
Sun zoo said that, and I'd say he knows a LITTLE BIT more about war crimes than YOU do pal, because he invented it! And then he perfected it, so that no living man could best him in the ring of honor!
Can anyone even see my post?
"Share your medkits with everyone"
Friendly heavies who have been giving sandwiches and other food to everyone since August 19, 2008:
My 2009 Vintage Sandvich has probably been used on enemies almost as much as teammates.
Meanwhile, Scouts near a burning Medic with 5HP:
yuck, those tf2 players who dont comprehend what “pvp” games are
@@skeleton819you are cringe. 🫵🗿
@@skeleton819
I’m having fun playing TF2. Are you?
@@skeleton819 hey, think of it this way; free kills + they technically count as civilian/medical so you get to mock the red cross while you're at it!
Every time actions like this are attempted it's just wtf. Yeah, killing people is also bad but games aren't real life, I thought we went through that 20-30 years ago.
And if we live that long we'll be having this same argument 20-30 years from now. The worse part is, the ever advancing state of technology and the human tendency to fear what we don't understands means many of us could end up on the other side.
More control. They just want to have dominance over everything you do.
@@jasonscarborough94I disagree, because anyone who has even a basic understanding of what defines the border between reality and fiction knows not to pull this shit. We're not boomers. Even when we get old, we won't be boomers. We have *brains.*
On a more serious note, most of us grew up knowing that the "violent games cause violence" narrative is contrary to real scientific findings which say that violent games are actually correlated with a *decrease* in violent tendencies, not an increase. If anyone pulls this kind of shit while knowing that, they're only doing it for control and authority.
@@StormTheSquid As society gets more modern, more people pop up that want more control and authority.
@@StormTheSquid That arrogant confidence - "it won't happen to me" - is exactly how you end up that way.
You realize the Baby Boomers were the "hippy generation", right? Free love, make love not war, doing drugs like crazy, all that jazz? They didn't get to where they are now overnight, and if it can happen to them it sure as hell can happen to you.
Or just keep feeling safe in your smug, self-assuring condescension - your choice.
I feel like the Red Cross should have a lot more important things to do with their time than whine about what happens in video games, honestly.
I mean, they do spend a lot of time pining for my blood
Yeah, like dealing with us actual war criminals
I don't think you know the full story...
It was a single article put out by the Red Cross, literally just to "raise awareness of the real-life rules that govern-or are meant to govern-military conflict." That's not whining, it's a set of four rules which adds a little challenge to games. What's wrong with that?
@@Edit-nk6nbWell, the main problem is that at a glance it made them look stupid when it didn't really need to, it was just poorly-constructed. The red cross's PR priorities are just totally fucked lol
The Red Cross is full of old people who do not understand that we all do things we'd never do in video games. That's a good thing.
Also there are multiple wars happening right now, is THIS what you're spending money on?!
They aren't just old, they are fascists and frauds, like siphoning money away from actual wars to pad their own pockets
The Peta of the armed conflict sector, as in they do nothing about it and attack random people and games
They want to feel relevant in an era that’s rapidly ignoring them.
They want us to do it IRL and not in minecraft
Every day is another reason to wish these organisation to not be filled with people so old they don't even know what is real anymore.
This video is literally more of an effective lesson about what constitutes a war crime than the Red Cross's entire Play by the Rules campaign.
In basic our drill sgt told us a story about how a triggerman who set off an ied on their convoy got almost torn in half by the .50 on a humvee, but was still alive and thus they were required to give him aid, so the doc walked verrryyyy slowly to go get his aid bag, and then verrryyy slowly back, and was like "oh no he died what a bummer"
That story is verrryyyy fucked. Thanks for sharing.
@@doktorhabilitowanystanczyk he killed more of his countrymen than the Americans did.
@@doktorhabilitowanystanczyk he died bleeding out on the ground
@@doktorhabilitowanystanczykHe died just as he lived: A little bitch.
@@timmyteehee9490☠
i feel like this video is the closest davey has ever been to being gripped by something with the malicious intent of squeezing an emotiong out his cold, dead vocal chords. naturally, it was a response to sheer stupidity, the strongest force in the universe next to the irs
Three things are constant: Taxes, human stupidity and bug being adorable
The IRS hasn't catched me yet
@@UrBrainzAreNotZafeYou cannot escape them.
They are going to find you, if they haven't already.
@@UrBrainzAreNotZafe i think their motivation to catch you depends entirely on how much money they say you owe them so commit more tax evasion and see if that changes
@@Varja376 thanks for the advice bro :D
this video has mind me a different person, I have now commited 1000 war crimes, thank you davy you saved my family
simply by playing how games are intended to be played i commit on a daily basis, around 400 warcrimes
You're family are probably out to get you, do it all to them too
@@cado9281 I will man thanks for the tip
Don’t count your war crimes. Make your war crimes count
@@xxxnapoleon69 I will indeed do that
Remeber, its not a warcrime if:
A. It's the first time
B. You win the war
C. Have friends in higher places
B and C being the Most important ones
@@lardstehbreadD. No one finds out
@@Tyranid_Hive_Mind very true
E. Be American (They will invade Hague rather than let you be trialed there)
D. They arent people
Honestly the "monotone" thing isn't a bad thing in my eyes, it's better than being constantly fake excited.
It’s like Ben Stein kinda. Charming in a way.
id much rather have a monotone voice give me information than a tuber voice
Well most people who do vide essays aren’t fake exited, they make videos about things they are excited about specifically because they are excited about them, there is no fakenes involved.
I feel like this article could've been a lot better if it focused a lot more on franchises that glorify war and casually commit war crimes as part of the main story of the game. Like the CoD franchise. CoD games that drop you in some random town in a vaguely Middle Eastern location where you mow down everything that moves comes to mind.
But by keeping it vague and putting the blame on the player, it becomes a really dumb joke
Honestly there is a lot of genuinely informational PR you can do that is pretty interesting. Like, going through a popular campaign and explaining why certain actions are illegal and what led to them being outlawed is actually really interesting. Problem is like you said, they were way too vague and the games don't really support the weird playstyle they're aiming for.
A better solution is instead of removing those levels from games they can make the player guilty and make it clear that it's a war crime
Easier to just vaguely point at "violent video games" than actually address the militaristic narratives they push, I guess.
the "Remember, no Russian" mission is exactly that, commiting warcrimes just to fit in with the bad guys. tho i whould watch a breakdown of "all warcrimes in whatever game" or something
Cod’s an incredibly accurate depiction though. War crimes are rarely if ever punished on the victors of the war. You can get away with all kind of nonsense provided you win
Instructions unclear I am now under trial for warcrimes in angola
Seems like the instructions were very clear then, congrats!
@@DaveyGunface please make a tutorial on how to defend yourself from being charged for your warcrimes in Angola (lawyer option for my trial since no one will agree to represent me)
@@mankanwarjotsingh8502I got you
Step 1:
Don't show up to court
Step 2:
Run away to commit other war crimes
@@mankanwarjotsingh850213:02
“Your honour, I thought it was pretty funny”
Should be a pretty good line, just pay some random guy that doesn’t understand what’s going on or how to speak English to say that and you’ve got a solid defence in your hands
@@mankanwarjotsingh8502so it’s very simple just win. The victors in war never face punishment for their war crimes
Red cross: No, video game war crimes hurt me!
Also red cross: Refusing aid in Maui, barricading areas to stop civilians from fleeing the fires, stealing third party aid for themselves, isolating Maui from the military bases and stopping any on or off duty soldiers from helping their families and ignoring drowning children.
As someone who plays both Rimworld, Hearts of Iron IV, and From The Depths, I've probably committed enough warcrimes for this year, I think I should move on to crimes against humanity next.
Good man.
@@mirceazaharia2094 Don't worry, I've checked the ICC's definition of a crime against humanity, I've already atleast two thousand violations since this year.
@@enderjed2523rookie numbers
@@enderjed2523You can do better, my friend! You must achieve the power of the Geneva Checklist.
Also, FTL and Rimworld (even Warhammer, but that is just exaggerated sometimes) are good. It's funny to see your enemies burn in a room you blocked with crystal walls or suffocating them... Or in Rimworld doing literally everything, you can turn Pawns in high on drugs limbless morale dispenser, and thats very little of what you can do.
I'm actually surprised that TF2 hasn't been DMCA'd by the Geneva Convention already
Like the RED team Medic is a straight up middle finger to our overlords at Switzerland
That's because they would be able to fight back and say that it's stupid
Doing that is fruitless as the community would eviscerate them, the janitor has more to do, a lot more, and the game is older then many people at this point
DMCA'ing TF2? That'd never work, where'd you study tactics, boy?
it might technically get a pass as the symbol is not a red cross, it is a generic cross which is then given a color corresponding to your team, one of which happens to be red but thats not actaully part of the symbol
TF2 is probably in a very big grey area - due to it being a game about mercenaries hired by private companies fighting mercenaries hired by other private companies, rather than an actual depiction of war - so the applicability of the Geneva Convention is questionable.
Even then, medical personnel, even those wearing the red cross/star/crescent/diamond, lose all their Geneva Convention protections upon using their weapons offensively, and the medic's MO (being an active participant in combat) most likely disqualifies him from these protections.
Davey has joined the war on war crimes on the side of war crimes.
I think the first thing to do is to convince every single video game developer currently actively developing a video game to simultaneously reinstate the "red cross" to indicate medical paraphernalia.
The resulting genericization effect on the symbol will result in the loss of trademarks on it.
That'll make them shut up about video games. They can't sue all of us!
Sounds like a great idea
Slogan trademarks require sone sort of complexity why not logos
It is funny how they put a "do not target civilian buildings" rule, but neglected a "do not use civilian buildings as cover" rule. So, people could just sit inside a house and fire frommthe windows, without getting any return fire.
Oh, they don't care about the don't fire on civilian buildings rule; They refused request to condemn Russia for doing that, they wrote and article about how the Ukrainian military was "just as bad" because they weren't surrendering cities to the Russians who were carrying out mass killings and torturing civilians to "keep the fight out of the cities". The Red Cross only cares about looking good, and getting paid, and War criminals tend to be their biggest funders
-Sun Tzu, The art of War
Same with medics. Clearly marked *unarmed* medical personnel are not allowed to be attacked. The moment the medic is armed and actively participating in the fighting all those protections are null and void, and they turn into normal combatants.
Yeah that's like the basic philosophy of war time laws: making sure armies aren't disadvantaged just for doing the right thing, e.g. not being allowed to kill civilians means the other guys arent allowed to disguise themselves as civilians.
But the moment military uses civilian building it becomes a legitimate military target
When would they learn that the fantasies one experiences never automatically translates into their reality.
"Videogames cause violence" all over again
Being in the furry fandom for even a brief time, I've learned that certain fantasies can say a lot about who people are. Just look up Sapho the Hypnotist; she looked at cub art (basically furry edition of cp) as well as zoo art, and it turned out that she tried to touch kids and screw her dog, to the surprise of absolutely nobody.
so you equate playing video games with pedophilia and beastiality?@@addison_v_ertisement1678
@@addison_v_ertisement1678 I'm a furry and I don't dare try to touch the furry fandom with a 10 foot pole. Just let me keep my fursona in peace.
@@addison_v_ertisement1678 Not even talking about how often we get trashed for the awful people who try to sneak into our community for "safe haven" just to stink up the place and get kicked out later, There's a *pretty solid difference* between looking at illegal z%o/p%do s%%ual content and then committing a s%% crime, and setting someone on fire in a game with no real world/moral consequences, then jumping over to the real world to do it.
One's an early warning sign of serious mental illness. The other is just extremely unlikely.
Red cross really decided the best game to use for picture examples of 'not' committing war crimes was ARMA 3. The literal war crime capital of gaming (other than rimworld.)
Maybe it was because the Rules of War DLC existing and they had no idea what they were looking at.
I'd love to send the Red Cross into the Halo Universe personally. I want to say: "Go on, Tell the Genocidal Aliens and Literal Flesh Parasites to Not target civilian Buildings... And while you do that. Don't Mind me, I'll be MAC Blasting that "Totally Not A Civilian" Space Station they use to refuel their ships."
i thought the "warcrime capital of gaming" was stellaris, though i can see rimworld too if you want a more personal side of the spectrum
I have personally killed over a hundred reporters in that game.
The Geneva suggestion is best broken on a one to one level. Unless you get a nuke mod.@@theoneunknown429
@@theoneunknown429well, the legal place of heterotroph sentinent moving space bushes isn't clearly defined, and I wouldn't say the same about the population of fictional Mediterranean island
Imagine having a committee made up of brains so smooth that they tried to create a psyop to coerce gamers into applying the incredibly gray and shaky real-world “rules” of the Geneva Suggestions to their own power-fantasy games. Games, may I remind you, whose primary purpose is to help the player ESCAPE from the cares of reality for a while.
my reaction to seeing the "no thirsting" made me think "so everyone making sure corpses are in fact corpses are war criminals because they don't want to risk a 'corpse' just pretending to be dead and so commiting a warcrime?" after all, in my extremely limited knowledge about warfare, i at least think something done is 'double tapping', where you fire an extra round or two into a corpse to make sure it isn't just pretending to be a corpse in order to catch you by surprise
Nah, it’s not like there have been armies with such a high level of indoctrination that they would call for aid just to trigger a grenade when the medic arrived.
Oh, wait. Japan did that.
@@PhoenixT70 Also Vietnam, I think. And many guerilla groups. And Islamic insurgents, probably.
Whilst double tapping actually refers to doing 2 head shots since there's a 10% chance the bullet bounces/curves off the skull without killing, yes it is common to shoot a corpse and make sure it is indeed a corpse, though actually getting ammo off a dead guy, or anything is desicration of the dead, you're not allowed to loot a body.
@@stm7810 ah, thanks, and makes sense that you aren't allowed to loot a body, don't think there would be a reason to unless you are completely out of stuff to fight with and can't resupply though in my mind
@@PhoenixT70 plus having their pilots turn themselves into grenades essentially when they run out of ammo
The "no thirsting" rule sounds dumb to me because in some games enimies can fake their death and attack you when you stop looking (like unreal, wolfestein Blade of agony, the zombies in quake, etc), so i guess i am suposed to let them shoot me instead of... Using a few rounds to have shure that they are actually deada
To be fair faking your death is actually a war crime due to it's prevalence in war and the effect it had on civilians (leading to what you just said, using a few rounds to ensure that enemies are actually dead, even if they aren't enemies), but it still comes down to "don't kill" which is dumb
The no thirsting rule is stupider because downed enemies not killed can and will be healed to fighting stance within seconds and their death wont even stop them in games where respawning is a thing
Rule #2: Double tap
@@xaviersavard6343and in some games (especially CoD) downed enemies can still shoot (I dunno if this applies to newer titles honestly. I haven’t played them, but old titles like WaW and Black Ops they could)
Real talk tho: The Red Cross getting mad over video games is... well, incredibly stupid. No matter how much they push for us using the rules of engagement in a freaking video game... the game won't always let us *do* that (see example - Spec Ops: The Line)
Also the whole medkits thing is also stupid. If they'd ever played a game where those are used, (such as Halo, Warface, or pretty much any FPS game) you physically can't heal the enemy team.
I feel like we're beyond saving if even the people who are supposed to be providing aid in disasters and warzones are getting upset over a bunch of pixels on a screen instead of doing their job.
Yes, some people are influenced to do horrible things by video games. But that's typically the *very* mentally unwell. The average gamer will commit warcrimes because either the game forces them to or they do it because they can. However they still realize that warcrimes are horrible real world things.
In short? Defy the Red Cross. Be gay, do crime.
Also also, you HAVE TO shoot downed players or they will heal their wounds and stay to fight, enemies actively use war crimes and many fights are either simulations or places where respawning is a thing. Halo are simulations for example, and tf2 and fortnite have enemies that respawn and come back to fight even if their bodies are disintegrated
While some people do bad things because of video games people often forget that some people don't do bad things because of video games as they can be used to vent feelings they normally can't get out.
We forget about all the murders we don't see thanks to games and fiction discouraging it or allowing venting.
It is easier to see what happens then what it stops.
Glad you mentioned spec ops: the line, such an interesting game
"Defy the Red Cross. Be gay, do crime."
Words to live by
No, people are NOT influenced to do horrible things by video games. Scientists have done studies, video games do not lead to real life harm. This debate has already been settled, fiction is not reality.
Homemade weapons for use in real combat are considered warcrimes. Therefore, pretty much every weapon in minecraft can be a warcrime except the trident.
and channeling makes it a war crime, weather manipulation.
only thing left is the fists and uncraftable items
@@stm7810 what kind of incident happened to set that precedent?
@@slimewizard7350 excessive rainfall through cloud seeding resulting in mud slides it's environmental harm there's also stuff about destroying nature too much like burning down a forest which was probably made a thing due to agent orange and climate change. space lasers however so long as it doesn't mess with the weather or environment or harm civilians is not a war crime last I checked. though this is a joke since thermodynamics means any space laser that can reach the ground would heat the atmosphere enough to cause natural disasters like cyclones.
also arent a war crime crossbows because crossbows cant be crafted
This video increased my wcpm (war crimes per minute) by 80%, thank you for helping my optimize my girlbossing potential
Green eyed anime girls are always psychos 😅
It's good to rehearse on how to optimise enemy casualties.
Gaslight, gatekeep, genocide
@@bluephoenix7565 *shows picture of doom eternal marauder*
Odd comparison but this reminded me of this weird survey i found a few years back. One of the questions was You are the healer of a group fighting in an arena, Your team is steamrolling the other and you have one charge left on your healing staff. The choices were essentially Heal your Team, Heal the Enemy Team or Abstain. I chose to heal my own team because thats what my job was. Apparently that was a bad choice dictated by the survey results
Was the correct choice to obstain in case they had an ace in their sleeves? Or was it to stupidly heal the enemy team?
Without the context of your team's Health and the context of your team Steamrolling you wasted that Heal Spell.
Abstain is the only correct choice in that moment.
The enemy team may have a trap or flip the tables so the wasted heal or healing them result in a loss.
@@xaviersavard6343 Heal the enemy Team, yeah
@@Buglin_Burger7878 It turned out to be heal the enemy team
@@marek1shtar538cringe, horrible survey, you made a good choice with the information available
Yes, thank you, I will now commit every possible war crime in every game I play, no matter how difficult they are!
Like undertale for the genocide ending
Stardew Valley
Based
Smells like the gow olympus saga to me >:)
@@andrewmoore6820 very easy,
That witch hut that resets your ex’s memories of you for example.
I love that Valve was able to reach around the Red Cross by saying “no we use a red plus”
Rimworld is infamous for being "the warcrime game" which makes me wonder if I would be able to commit (literally) every war crime in the book in that game. Some may require a little fudging (such as using IVF to impregnate prisoners of war in lieu of the direct approach)
Human meat factory with the Plant Human mod, and the only way for the newly-grown humans to escape being a trap corridor. You're welcome.
I’m sorry you can WHAT-
Wait you can do wot?
I legitimately thought that said IFV , i was like 'wait vehicles can do WHAT!?'
If Davey wasn't the "war crimes guy" yet, he sure is now
Honestly, the red cross is pretty good, but their video game stance is ridiculous. Most war crimes are in solo games and multiplayer is way less good. Which is worse: killing a downed ennemy in a world where they have a pretty good chance of killing you later if you dont and where coming back to life is a thing, or the minecraft nuke mod for being a nuke? A few colors in a random indie game or 99% of dnd characters for ignoring the geneva suggestion? Either way, I hope Davey doesnt get branded as a war criminal in the next few days. Have a good day to anyone that reads
They care more about war crimes in video games then in real life
I wouldnt go that far but sometimes it seems that way
Time to make them care about real war crimes again
My best exaplme of why what the Red Cross says about Vedio game is stupid is the tf2 med
Tf2 is just too silly, warcrimes included in abundance but community loves the seal from summer update
I've always found the Red Crosses crusade against using a red plus sign in video games to be insane.
That's why I always love seeing older video games that use it. It's like an old monument still standing in open defiance.
You can perform War Crimes in Animal Crossing. The only way to truly prevent them is either by completely removing video games entirely or surveilling every game session, a complete invasion of privacy.
How does one commit war crimes in Animal Crossing?
@@charnor2727 article 21 of the 3rd Geneva Convention (restriction of liberty of movement for prisoners). That's very easy to do by either directly blocking characters in with eight walls around them or by barricading their entire house.
When replaying Mass Effect 1 recently, I made my shotgun fire explosive rounds and it was the best weapon I had. Used it for pretty much the entire game. The segment about weapons literally described all of my favorite weapons in any game ever.
“All FPS games can only contain 22. caliber pistols with MAX 5 round mags”
-Good Earth Government
HMWSG with HE ammo and double Scram Rail is an absolute meme cannon, enemies just getting launched and ragdolling around was hilarious. HMWSR with the same setup is equally good, but allows touching baddies from distance. Hey, if you play on PC, next time you should try enabling console and adding cut Hyper Rails, they literally double the fun.
@@Vyury Nice. I was playing the Legendary edition on PC. I'll give that a try next time!
@@Vyury WDYM "if"? If one sees nothing wrong with the nauseatingly robotic nudge-nudge-miss stick aiming on console, they're functionally, ahem, underdeveloped.
@@Anvilshock From what I played on gamepad, the only thing it does better in shooters than K&M is that it allows more precise character movement than WSAD. But on aim, which is more important, it's rubbish. The only genres where it is better than K&M are sport, racing and flying games, but when you add wheels and sticks it only wins in sport. So if budget allows, you only need gamepad to play FIFA.
Pro tip:
It's not a war crime if noone finds out.
As a Terraria player, you're right. A bleed build can be jacked as hell, especially if you stack the bleeding with flames.
also shoot them with the slime gun so they take more fire damage :D
As a Warframe player, combining bleed with bioweapons is literally the meta strategy for killing high level enemies.
@@michaelaalseth6701 Wait, does that actually work?
@@GrubbusHubbus not sure about vanilla but definetly with calamity mod
what tf is a bleed build i have hundreds of hours on terraria and have never once heard of it
I feel like defying the red cross is just an inherent instinct
It is natural as I don’t know breathing I guess
Wait. So are they ok with committing war crimes in single player games? Cause that’s where I commit most of my war crimes.
(Sees minecraft village.
Burns Geneva Convention)
See fable 3
There is a war
You can kill civillians
burn cities
Charr the ground with lightning and fire
Desacrate the remains of old
Feign death
Multiplayer fps games are bad
@@xaviersavard6343Stellaris - commit atrocities that make genocide look kind.
Yeah, clearly FPS are the enemy.
Rimworld's a good one for war crimes, especially for abusing prisoners, even more so with mods. One of the more popular mods is even called War Crimes Extended.
As far as I know, all they're saying is that war games should be more cognizant about war crimes and having the player character actually face some consequences for it, to emphasize that you can't actually bomb a church with an AC-130 and get away with it. I haven't really been keeping up with it tho, maybe it evolved since I last heard
This is truly an inspirational video. I shall now find a game and speedrun the entire Geneva Convention. Like God intended
That’s actually a really difficult and interesting question... is there a game where you can do all of them? Like, first game that popped into my head was Mowas 2, but idk.
@@AlienTreeGuy civilization series
@@vyor8837 can you do gas weaponry in civ?
@@AlienTreeGuy No, but flamethrower count
Geneva Convention more like Geneva Suggestion
I love that they use screenshots from the A3 Laws of War DLC on the website for it. The DLC that added in easier ways to commit war crimes.
Naturally. It's much easier to make outrageous demands when your "reasoning" is full of fallacies like confirmation bias in the first place.
The red cross : ew, war crimes are gross, don't do that, not even in video games!
Davey: BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! SKULLS FOR THE THRONE OF SKULLS!
OK Angron.
Literally khairn the betrayer
@@TheBenjiNebby I UNDERSTOOD THAT REFERENCE
4:12 The idea is supposed to be that the medic who isn't armed is supposed to be able to go in and pick up the injured (friendly or enemy) and since he isn't armed and clearly identified (i.e red cross, which is why they're jerks about people not misusing the symbol for things like HP or basic medicine since if people don't know that red cross means unarmed medic; they'll shoot em) he's not supposed to be shot at.
Obviously the real rules leave a lot of flexibility from admissions that certain actions can't be taken if there is a power imbalance (i.e the side that clearly has no medical capacity because they're a ragtag militia aren't under any significant expectation to provide aid though they are expected to at least try to be impartial), aren't actually considered a real military (i.e mercenaries and terrorists don't actually have any legit combatant rights under geneva lol), or there is no potential to take prisoners. Particularly in the last case, there's no reason to assume you would have to run out and save a man during an active firefight and no sane medic (unarmed or not, many medics are often times armed simply because their enemies don't follow the rules anyway) would risk that either.
Still weird that they want people to follow the rules in video games that often establish that the laws of warfare don't apply due to non-military status, non-human status or otherwise.
I think they're trying to stop people from developing these habits in videogames so, if said person falls victim to the glorification of war in these videogames and proceeds to enlist, they won't have ingrained habits that would lead to actual war crimes being committed.
For sure, I get the point they were *trying* to get at by protecting medical personnel, but the fact that they pretty much make the player a walking paradox by being a Prisoner of War, a Combatant (which isn't a guarantee based on their own guidelines and the games they outlined, regulated millita and all that), and presumably Medical Personnel, it just doesn't make any sense. I genuinely tried to think of some bizarre-o loop hole where you could possibly cancel out two of them, but even niche scenarios like a prisoner escaping captivity by force doesn't necessarily make the prisoner a combatant and lethal force isn't encouraged.
Their intentions make sense, but their actual suggestions are comically out of touch with both reality and video games.
@@DaveyGunface Exactly, it is tone deaf because video games make it very clear either the medic is armed, you can't take prisoners and the game clearly isn't designed to support what they're asking. If someone gets downed in a shooter but not dead there's good chance that not shooting them again will simply result in them getting healed, getting back up and shooting you.
What they're asking will have the opposite effect of people simply realizing that the laws of warfare are garbage and that its better to just ignore them as much as possible. Which obviously isn't in their best interests. Ironically the first call of duty had a scene where medics were being shot which referenced the mindset of the time where medics were seen as combatants because they did in fact help the enemy war effort. The very scenario we all know will happen (i.e dude gets healed gets up and blasts you) vindicates history for more than it realistically was justified lol.
As for the prisoner of war escaping example, you are actually allowed to shoot prisoners of war who escape but some effort must be provided to warn or otherwise mitigate the shooting of escaping prisoners of war.
All war is crime, if you think there are rules you're a criminal already. If I am forced to fight I will do so to survive no more. Humans are so rarely humane it's laughable.
I think rule 1 was more about if the target is already dead or fully incapacitated, don’t overkill as it’ll likely come off as sadistic, and you’d be wasting ammo anyway.
Rule 4 probably meant like for enemy personell who end up taken as prisoners, after they’re fully clear of the combat zone.
I like how most of the TF2 mercs classify for this initiative
Scout: The Boston Basher causes a lot of unnecessary pain when you could just shoot the enemy to take them out of their misery. Also, Scout looks like a civilian without even using cosmetics.
Soldier: The Beggar's Bazooka has an insane amount of unpredictability and is very likely to cause collateral damage towards everything in its radius.
Pyro: Almost all of Pyro's equipment would be incredibly painful but not kill you outright, especially when factoring in the burning.
Demoman: If you throw your sticky bombs willy-nilly, it can be classified as collateral casualties
Engineer: Your sentry gun automatically locks on to anyone who isn't in your team, including Medics. You don't even really need to try here.
Heavy: The Eviction Notice looks about as painful as the Boston Basher.
Medic: It's a crime for combatants to pretend to be medical personnel, and Medic lost his license long ago, which technically qualifies him. Also, most of his weapons are war crimes by themselves.
Sniper: covering people with Jarate counts as both biological warfare and unethical treatment.
Spy: Not only can you disguise as a member of the enemy team, you can also pretend to be a Medic.
soldier has committed war crimes during WWII but it was on nazis so it doesnt really count
@@bruhgod123 you mean him slaughtering german civilians after WW2,cuz in lore by the time he got his ticket to germany, it was already 1949
@@GaidaBG ok
The beggars bazooka is also a homemade weapon, which is also a war crime.
Medic was never a medic to begin with, and lacks any medical training.
Several of the mercs look like civilians. (Scout, Sniper, Heavy only has a bandolier to stand out, Spy only has a ski mask which isn't unusual, Engineer)
The cow mangler, 99% of pyros weapons, and the huo long heater all set enemies on fire, war crime.
The tribalmans shiv, three rune blade, boston basher, southern hospitality, wrap assassin and flying guillotine are designed primarily to cause hemorrhaging, which would be inhumane weaponry.
the gas passer would count as chemical warfare, and the mad milk would be either chemical or biological warfare, depending on what exactly it is.
Anyone who kills friendlies is guilty of a war crime, either by killing a surrendering individual, or killing an individual who wasn't a combatant to begin with.
There's a lot more, I'm certain. But that's what I could come up with in about 10 minutes of thinking and research.
It’s honestly harder to NOT commit warcrimes in TF2.
Going to list a couple warcrimes done in pokemon off the top of my head
1- Thirsting, using false swipe brings an enemy down to 1 hp. Using it repeatedly despite them being at 1 hp can cause horrible suffering to the opponent.
2- Non-Violent NPC targeting
So this is insanely common, in gen 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8. Im unsure if it happens in gen 9
- Gen 1, Team Rocket capturing innocent pokemon and using them as slave labor
- Gen 2, Team rocket again, holding an entire building with people inside hostage, and the entire situation where they cut the tails off of pokemon for money
- Gen 3, Maxie attempted to make the world better but instead caused a major drought that 100% killed people, Archie flooded half the planet which 100% killed people
- Gen 4, Cyrus' entire thing was killing everybody in the universe
- Gen 5, where children are murdered and innocent people get beat up by Ghetsis, not to mention the entire city getting cryogenically frozen with people inside
- Gen 6, Lysandre tried to nuke the world.
- Gen 7, Necrozma reaching the cool light dragon form symbolizes the death and rebirth of a universe, meaning it just slaughtered everybody and everything in a universe
- Gen 8, Elon Musk's long lost brother summons a dragon that causes radiation poisoning to everything around it
This also happens in spinoffs like pokemon Masters, where Team Rocket breaks into a hospital to attack people, and Ghetsis tries to murder yet another child
3- Civilian buildings.
While uncommon, the most known situation of this in pokemon is the entire city being frozen in gen 5. Bro targeted an entire city. Thats a lot of buildings. Not to mention the nuke in gen 6
4-;Using med kits
This would make it near impossible to catch pokemon cause whoops! Gotta heal them.
A single DRG player has likely done all of these things: Firing upon allies, use of flamethrowers, use of nuclear weapons, cruel and unusual torture of enemy, cluster explosives, use of chemical weapons, cyber warfare, and likely many many others.
the only warcrime the driller hasent committed is killing civs. at least, as far as we know.
To be fair, corporations technically aren't subject to the Geneva Convention and there's no substantial evidence that an individual Glyphid is sapient, the controlling hivemind maybe, but not the bugs. So really its the PETA and the SEC that they need to worry about.
Cluster munitions aren't a war crime.
@@vyor8837they are due to the fact if a cluster explosive is set off, but a few of the cluster don’t explode, it could kill innocent lives later if someone finds it.
@@TheFlamingoBird that can happen with all bombs and missiles.
"Stop doing mean things in video games! It's not funny!"
Best way to get loads of gamers to do something while thinking it's hilarious.
the whole concept of 'war crimes' is really funny to me cause war is itself a crime against humanity
Speaking of Rule 2 of customizing weapons to cause suffering, playing Baby Shark on loop in the VC does count as psychological warfare and it causes severe mental damage to your enemies. Use when only when strictly nescessary.
This...
How do I say this?
This is the greatest video ever made.
EMBRACE CHAOS.
Thx for the tutorial Davy! Now I can be much more efficient while committing various atrocities against the civilian population. Truly, you are one of the people of all time.
Well the part about helping both sides is for when the fighting is over. Basically if you find someone belonging to opposing or allied forces, you cannot refuse treatment to them. They’re not saying you should go seek out wounded enemies and treat them during the fight.
The thing about most fps' is that the fighting never ends
"I would never commit a war crime. Blitzkrieg and surprise nuclear strikes are wrong." Said no Civ player ever.
Fun fact: the Red Cross' first rule, "No thirsting", actually kind of violates standard ROE. Unless the wounded combatant is surrendering or there's no active combatants left in the area, you just double tap them. This is both to prevent them from trying to do a last stand and also to put them out of their misery.
Of course, you shouldn't target the guy writhing on the floor in pain when the guy in front of you is still shooting, but it's too risky to let them live.
this is so dystopian bro imagine if the red cross tried to get any depictions of war crimes in movies or books removed
"You got a loicense for that fictional video game set 10,000 years in the future in an alternate dimension?"
I like how rule 2 kinda just invalidates all battle Royale games, considering you aren't supposed to shoot the incapacitated which downed players are
Thank you, I will now commit as many war crimes as possible and inevitably get away with it because my side won the conflict and will repeat it in the next conflict but much worse in every way possible because it'll be way funnier this time. If I ever get caught, I'll just say that it was all for the goofs
My organ harvesting operations, nuclear wars, ruthless imperialism, mass brainwashing of prisoners, mercenary shenanigans, sacking of settlements, war profiteering, sl-av-er-y, narcotics trade empire, elimination of law enforcement officers, illegal street racing, arson, mu-r-d-er... and jaywalking was all for fun. All of it. Every single second.
And I'd want you to know that I'd do it all again. What the Red Cross is doing is a circus. This is a charade, it's an act. It's bullsh*t about how gamers are crazy when they do this. Well, I'm NOT crazy. OK? I know what I did. I know WHO I am. And I DO NOT need the Red Cross' help, or "moral guidance". I am in my right mind, and any poor digital SOB that I put down in a myriad ways, was because I LIKED IT. Hell, I loved it! And I am just itching to do it all over again. What, do they think they're gonna send us to stand before some jury, or to a nuthouse? Send ME to some doctor that's gonna stop me from doing what I WANT TO DO? Well... that AIN'T HAPPENING! Not on my watch!
They call me a gamer, a war criminal gamer, right? Big, Bad Digital War Criminal? Well, here I am! I AM the Digital War Criminal! You want it?!? I'll give it to you!! And any little piece of feces bureaucrat that expects to hear me whine, hear me beg? Well, they can *kiss my a$$*.
America in a nutshell, and nearly every single country too, but America is beyond most of their leagues.
Maybe even all of them.
Y’know, I have always wanted to do an all war crimes speedrun
step 1: have 3 or more alchemists at any given time, and leave the top path one near as many 000 dart monkeys as possible
List of warcrimes: This list is incomplete, *you can help by expanding it*
In game
This absolute genius has now completely reversed my ethics and morals, thus making me the best version of my self that I have ever been. I will be ever grateful of the intense wisdom that has been pumped into my brain. Crime rules!
This made me realize that Payday2 (and likely the entire Payday franchize) speedruns the Geneva convention as if it was a to do list
Lots of guns have poison and incendiary ammunition modifications, so you can use poison rounds
You can attack civilians (though bain charges you for it you can just pay him a million dollars to attack 12 civilians)
You can take a police man hostage and make him fight for you
You can attack shopping malls, and other non-military buildings
The police squad in higher difficultirs has medics, which not only can you attack, you are actively incouraged to attack them
You can set up trip mines, and completely forget where you put it, so a civilian can run into it and explode
Torture is present in a lot of heists
cant wait to get in and commit war crimes in Payday 3!
Truly a game of all time.
encouraged
the thing is, in Payday 2 you're not in a war. Therefore it's not a war crime, just a crime (or at most terrorism)
@@gagekieffer772 Committing what would be considered a warcrime is not good even if it's during peace time
I love the tiny bit defending nuclear power:):)
boil water spin turbine. boil water spin turbine. boil water spin turbine. boil water spin turbine.
"boil water spin turbine" is human's slogan for around 4 centuries now
Me, a warframe player breaking every rule of the geneva convention by breathing: "wait what do you mean avoid warcrimes?"
I love that I can mod my Ignis and Glaxion, a flamethrower and Freeze ray and turn them into Biological weapons (toxic gas spewer and literal Cancer gun)
At 4:12, you outline a scenario that the Red Cross probably does not actually imply. Basic first aid certification training states that you only should perform life-saving procedures if it doesn't put you at risk. Step one of every scenario is to scan your surroundings for potential hazards, since the last thing EMS needs to worry about is another wounded person. So, by that logic, running across an active battlefield to perform first aid for an enemy soldier is not exactly obligatory.
However, this training guideline also suggests that you shouldn't use your medkits on enemies at all. A quick examination of the scene will instantly reveal that bringing an enemy back from the brink you sent them into will most likely lead to your injury or death.
Remember, it's not a crime if you don't get caught or you win
Didn't the red cross complain about first aid kits in Neverwinter Nights a couple of decades ago? All the red from the first aid kit was removed as the devs decided it was not a battle worth fighting. This is not new behavior for them
Imagine caring about a game using your symbol but not about all the war crimes that happen every day in Africa, middle east etc.
Because what happens there isn't such a big deal but some game used a red cross on a med kit? That's a offence
As someone who never got into Fortnite, the video idea of delving into the lore sounds interesting as I didn't even know there was lore.
As someone with hundreds of hours in it. Rimworld is a game that's great for doing virtual war crimes.
Not sure why but I feel like I can trust Davey
"If you treat people like criminals, they become criminals"
If you dont treat criminals like criminals, they become a protected class.
If I was convicted for my war crimes in video games I’d get the noose.
Fun fact: when i played trenches on roblox, i used to deliberately avoid attacking medics, and even if i did accsidentaly kill them (or wound) i whoud profusely apologise lol, these days ppl who play as medic COMPLETLEY NEGLECT THEIR ROLES PURPOSE so ive disciplined myself to shoot any enemy on sight, medic or not, cuz i cant risk a medic shooting me dead (i hate how the trenches community got so toxic)
davey, we love you, we love your depressed monologue, it makes me think that you are a real human being that understands the sad sack of crap that our world really is, keep up the good work man, we love you srsly!!! id buy you a baegle if i had money but i live in brazil were the exchange rate would probably cost me 10 beagles to buy you 1 beagle so i not gonna do it :)
It's so sad to see dog to dog exchange rates are so bad in Brazil...
I love war crimes.
who doesn't
War crimes, as a concept, only make sense for wars that have no purpose. Where winning or losing doesn't really make a difference to you, it's just war for war's sake. If the war has a purpose, like for example you're fighting for your continued existence, and losing the war means the destruction of everything you know and love? In that kind of situation, crimes are a secondary concern to winning.
The Red Cross are thus horrible people. They don't see soldiers as being people, just toys in some game. They don't see war as a serious thing, or some sort of existential threat to the people subjected to it. Nope, they just see war as a minor thing where you need to play by the rules. Truly disgusting.
The title of the video got me to click, within the first minute with the mention of the article I paused the video, leaned back, took a deep breath, and just muttered "Ho boy, this is gonna be the start of something akin to PETA's losing battle against Pokemon, isn't it?"
Edit: okay, lets go over the ICRC's "Rules of engagement."
1. No "Thirsting". So... are they telling us to camp a downed enemy, use them as bait to draw out other enemies to kill/down? I mean... sure, whatever. Doesn't say anything about not letting them bleed out from a gut shot.
2. Don't kill non violent npcs. Most multiplayer maps will not have non hostile npcs on them, and for co-op shooters, you tend to get penalized for firing on non combatants anyway, bit of a moot point. But if a game doesn't penalize you for that, yeah, sure, check your targets.
3. No targeting civilian buildings. Once again, not really something a game will incentivize you to do. Most destruction to civilian buildings and infrastructure tends to come from scripted events of enemies applying excessive force to stop the player and their squad, so again, a moot point. But sure, in games where environmental destruction is a thing, prevent or minimize collateral damage to buildings wherever possible. Instead of blowing away a wall with a rocket, breach the door and let the claymore the enemy placed do that for you.
4. Use Medkits on everyone. You just straight up can't do this one. A vast majority of games will not let you heal an injured or downed enemy, and medic classes tend to have a limited amount of healing, or at the very least, a cooldown between uses. In games where such a cooldown is negligible or non existent and scarcity is no concern, usually the only targets you can heal are allies, and generally you have a single target focus.
Granted, a lot of these can apply to games like Arma and other milsim type shooters, and most youtubers who partake in Arma Ops and the like, typically try to avoid, or at the very least, severely limit non combatant casualties, at least from what I've seen.
So... congrats ICRC, these rules are things that are either already enforced in game, or straight up only possible to do in a very select games.
Let people have their fun in a space where it's not actually hurting anyone, christ.
As a Warframe player, literally every weapon in that game fits the conditions stated in #2. Literally the meta strategy in that game is to infect your enemies with viral bioweapons so that the bleeding applied by your melee weapons or guns is more potent, all while setting them on fire so their armor is less effective.
Counterargument to war crimes in games, you can't commit war crimes if you're not a UN Signatory.
That argument didn't work in Nuremburg lmao
Is melting a continent full of two billion people a warcrime? Cuz I've done that like a million times now in a game I play, and now I'm worried the Red cross will find out.
Funny thing about rule 3 (No targeting civ buildings), is that you are allowed to do so under certain conditions, mainly that you can argue that the military advantage of such actions are worth the possibility of civilian casualties
I learned this from Arma 3's DLC "Laws of War", which was made in collaboration with the ICRC
3:49 I may possibly get someone into trouble with this fun fact (thought I doubt it) according to my (college level) ROTC that I very briefly attended before dropping out of college, US army Doctrine dictates that you are supposed to check and if needed supply first aid to civilians (understandable) and Injured/ dead enemy combatants, before you are allowed to do first aid on Injured American troops. This was presented in such a way as it was known that its a "The rules say this, but no one actually does this" rule.
I have an idea. How many war crimes can one commit in Pikmin? It feels like it would be a lot.
you do not have to gaslight me into believing the world's better with me in it, i already know it isn't
Yeah, it's so dumb that the red cross goes after video games for having what is pretty much considered the universal symbol for first aid. You might be able to get around it by using the templar cross which is mostly the same except with some little bits at the end tho
The big brain thing would be to award XP / scorestreak/ killstreak / whatever bonuses for adhering to the Geneva Conventions - plus, imagine an offensive combat medic behind your team killing you all, then stabilizing you all. Being stabilized increases your respawn time by 5 seconds. It would be the ultimate thirst. The ICRC is onto something here. They just need to find a way to execute it correctly.
It would be funny if you had a whole website about this lol
I genuinely wonder if the person who wrote those red cross rules ever even played a game
I mean to genuinely answer your question, probably not
I like how they say "no thirsting" as if the double tap isn't standard military protocol.
And here I sit after a binge session of Mech Warrior 5. With the sweet, sweet sound of despair still lingering in my ears.
Seriously, the voic actress who made that particular coms operator is freaking amazing. She deserves a raise for that work she did. Hands down the third best voice talent next to Fahad and the Bitchin' Betty of that game.
"Mercenary, STOP! There were women and children in that building."
I would love to be able to answer over the coms... "You're right, love. Were."
Last rule, plead insanity because there's not another man who would have done what you have done
See now, the reason rules of war were created was because someone, somewhere, was enthusiastically doing those things. War was civilized because of how many wars were being fought in Europe. A lord could be expected to fight multiple battles across multiple wars, and people generally didn't want to die (and especially didn't want to die horribly). So wars developed a sort of gentleman's ruleset. Things like accepting surrenders and not butchering them to a man. Surrenders especially are an interesting idea, because you are essentially telling the other guy "I give up" and expecting him to take that on faith and not kill you just to be sure. Which is why there were rules in war for both the victor and the loser. The winner should accept surrenders, because it means he has won and no more blood need be shed. If you gain a reputation for not accepting surrenders, then the enemy will fight to the last man, costing you unnecessary losses. Meanwhile, you should never FAKE a surrender, because that means future real surrenders will be rejected, and you might be butchered to the last man.
Let's look at medics for a moment. See, medics are a recent addition, and the gentlemen's agreement was that as long as no one attacked the medic, then both sides would get medical attention. So, if you kill medics, your guys aren't getting medical care, and if you use fake medics to get the drop on people, your real medics will start getting shot.
By the way, this is where the idea that America brutalized the natives comes from. See, originally, we tried treating them according to the upstanding and gentlemanly ways of European war. Some tribes got the point, but other tribes looked at the idea that you make rules for war, and concluded that only weak people need rules to fight a war.
Eventually America stopped giving the natives the gentlemanly touch. Every tribe that broke a treaty meant less value was given to those documents on America's end. Every faked surrender meant a real one turned into a slaughter. Every time a perceived civilian suddenly attacked a soldier, it meant soldiers gave less of a shit about giving other civilians basic decent treatment. The native Americans only knew one kind of war, and that was total war. And while they fought total war and we fought civilized war, we were on the back foot. When we discarded those civilized rules, and started butchering tribes...
Well, that's the lesson of history. If a vastly technologically superior culture wants to use a specific set of rules to fight a war by, you should follow those rules. Because they didn't come up with those rules just to protect their fragile little peaceloving hearts. Those rules come from dark oceans of blood surrounding islands of corpses.
BTW, the us army infantry gets around the first rule by deadchecking everybody before they pass over, the assaulting team does on passover, deadchecks everyone they see, the the fire support team does the same. If boths teams miss someone and "pass over" the combatant, they are now a POW and protected under the geneva convention.
One interesting thing about fortnite is the dc comic cross over they did where batman ends up trapped in the loop where supposedly everyone is unable to talk unless they can break free.
Harley Quinn was shown after batman broke free and it just turns out she was fine the entire time and just was going along with it cause she was having fun.