Flex Seal applied to ARMOR PLATE
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2024
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Lmao this is awesome😂
yeah
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I’d like to see a sapi plate mold that you could make a plate purely out of flex seal
I want to like but its 69
Flex tape needs to change their slogan to "As seen on UA-cam"
All these youtubers using it in their videos.
As Seen on TAOFLEDERMAUS, lol
He's still alive? Haven't been to his channel in years.
I prefer just *not* watching his stuff now... Shame since I loved him as far back as Game Grumps.
@@planescaped His flextape video is worth a watch, still
So spalling is when a projectile or blast wave impact an armor plating causing the opposite side of the impact to break apart and become fragmentation. The effect that you were trying to stop is primary fragmentation, the projectile breaks apart into smaller and sometimes more hazardous pieces that continue to have down range effects. Go forth with new knowledge!
1BoneChip1
It’s spalling.
Spall means to break up into chips or pieces.
If the bullet shatters, the smaller pieces are spall.
If a DU round punches through amor, the shards or amor and of the round are both spall.
Negative on your last ghost rider, although you are quite right on my spelling error. When it comes to ordnance the act of a projectile coming from together is fragmentation. Spall by the oxford dictionary is as you described and you are correct in referring to the small pieces from the armor as spall. That being said spall is strictly limited to the effects generated by the armor receiving some kinetic energy transfer from an impact or blast wave. When in doubt, 60 series out!
@@otetechie Incorrect:Spalling and spallation both describe the process of surface failure in which spall is shed from a larger body of material. Technically spalling would be the plate shedding metal.
Even the plate manufacturers get it wrong, and keep misinforming the public.
Jon L but the fragments from the projectile came from a larger body of material as well
@@1BoneChip1 They don't get it. Maybe they should look at a squash head round. Its designed to create spalling.
I think you could massively improve the coating by adding some sort of weave to it as a reinforcing matrix, like fiberglass or a simple medical bandage.
Hell yeah
Kevlar
Duct tape
you’re correct. Everyone commonly misuses the terms. Splatter/splash is when the projectile does not penetrate an object. The round breaks apart and takes the path of least resistance creating bullet splash or splatter. Spalling is when the projectile penetrates an object and the material the projectile penetrates is projected forward creating spalling.
Our armor isn’t rubber coated (line-x etc). Our plates are compressed ceramic w Kevlar on top followed by some padding on top. It’s rated to stop a 7.62mm M-80 ball. Made by Ceradyne, inc. We tested it in Iraq during the 1st deployment and it would stop 3 M16 (5.56mm) rounds. After 3 it was toast, but any round bigger than that you better hope that you only get it once (or not at all of course lol) or get lucky if you get hit twice! Also, we had to change out our plates every so often because the integrity of the ceramic would easily get compromised because the corners of the plates would start to crack and crumble and spread towards the middle of the plate.
seems like ceramic plates are a bit of a waste since you can only get hit one or 2 times
They must have made some serious advances because I never saw that in my time in. After 2008. The newer ones seem to hold together much better. They can take quite a few rounds now. As long as they dont stack on the same spot.
MWB Gaming If you’re getting hit more than that you’re doing something wrong, and you’ll probably be out of commission anyways. I know a guy who took an AK round to the chest in Afghanistan. Broken ribs and a basketball sized bruise. Got a Purple Heart out of it. 1 will pretty much put you out of the fight; 3 or 4 sounds excruciating.
The ceramic is a byproduct of the military's obsession with Level IV. While it sounds great and all, Level III is sufficient for nearly all tasks (besides stopping AP, but true AP still isn't particularly prevalent due to cost), and most have MUCH better multi-hit capabilities.
It's a bit of a pick your poison type thing.
@@HaqqAttak sounds like he is describing the old school SAPI plate. They upgraded to the E-SAPPI sometime before joined in 2007. The plates are much more durable and can eat rifle rounds.
I think Red Green would agree that you would probably get better results with multi directional layers of duct tape equaling 1/4 inches in thickness. Interesting problem though, I think it deserves addressing. Thanks for the video!
Canadian Ingenuity? If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy.
What about both?
Yeah, I think flex seal under duct tape would be the winner.
My boss’s neighbour is red green. Seriously.
So glad *OG* got to stick a finger through something. *:)*
Thanks for making these videos. Keep em coming.
:-D You’d think that OG works for the TSA or something.
It's not a complete video without the old OG Finger Pop!
@@jeremyc.6900 OG is in night school to be an OBGYN.
@@pupfriend OG the OB! Id let him take a look at the wife...😲🌮
I’m going to need to see pictures first. 🤣🤣🤣
I keep looking back at these. It never ceases to amaze how detail-oriented and professional your team are regarding safety in these demonstrations. Well done.
Bullet fragmentation is the bullet breaking up; spalling is when metal on the reverse side of the armor breaks off without the projectile penetrating.
Both can be bad in the context of a chest plate, but anti-spalling is particularly important on tanks, because the energy required to create spalling is roughly constant with armor thickness; against heavy armor it’s easier to design projectiles to create spalling that kills the crew than to design projectiles that penetrate.
I wonder what would happen if you added a bunch of fiberous material with each layer of flex seal............something like burlap or God willing.....kevlar threads. That would be interesting
awesome idea! akin to fiberglass but flexible
Yes, exactly. I always write my ideas before looking at others, my suggestion was a layer of card board. But I’m cheap and don’t know where to get a supply of Kevlar threads?
Amazon - look for "kevlar thread" - 50 yards for $3.75 USD. Plus $5 for shipping unless prime.
Carbon fiber in each layer crossing the gran on each layer . 7 or 8 layers wrapping 2 inch around to the backside.
That would be like super pykrete.
Will it stop my ex girlfriends vengefulness?
Nope.
No you need a box of Godiva chocolates and a club/bouquet of flowers and a high cunnilingus skill.
Try MGTOW
I can stop it for you.
762 fanatic Only sorcery will stop that.
Couldn’t help but hear Jeff’s, “hello everyone,” intro as Professor Farnsworth from Futurama saying, “good news, everyone!”
lol
Dr. Nick from the Simpsons.
Ha!
Still a better idea than trying to make a bulletproof vest out of flex seal. Gave you a like for practicality.
Was that from demolition ranch? It's pretty lame
Guys, you definitely have one of the better gun demonstration channels. Keep up the good work.
thanks!
That's one thing I like about your channel is the way both you and the O.G interact with us. I hope you never change that format.
Interaction alert! 😎👍
It always bugged me to get ignored, and that stops me from commenting on other channels.
Someones been watching the latest demo ranch videos
yup...
haha
Fuck Demo Ranch
Rip
It almost seems that flex seal/tape is doing a weird advertising campaign.
Love these videos! :D Awesome as always!
Thank you Jesse and Mike!!
Would be interesting to see how it performed in a carrier. Pretty sure the nylon would have helped things out even more.
Naniiiiiii!!!!! I wonder if flex seal can fix a folding table?
WWE wants to know your location
No way Jose
If it can’t stop Lindsey Lohan from trying to kidnap homeless migrant children then no.......
can you coat the AR plate with a gummybear?
lol, not a bad idea
OMG Plz coat a gummybear with flex seal!!!!
I second that!
Try Silly Putty;3
Yes we must try gummy coated AR plate please Meow🐱
Great demonstration of the flex seal 👍😎
The technical therm is indeed "spalling".
"Spall" is something that breaks off something solid usually due to impact. Also applied to mining (spalling ore = breaking it into smaller pieces) and armored warfare.
The ethymology of "splashing" reminisce about something liquid. As in, splashing canvas with paint.
I like that you display proper range safety. Clearing weapon .ETC. Thanks LM
I see the thumbnail and my day is made, thanks for all your hard work, guys!
thanks!
I have yet to see a Flex Seal tactical armored wet suit. Yet.
Paint OG with FS and utilize the pond. You've got everything you need! Ooh, wait till the Kronos comes back. We'll need slomo.
OG will write ALL the rubber jokes.
Dry Suit. :-)
So, random thought: What about homemade composite armor? Take a 1/2" deep steel cooking tray, fill it with 5-10mm alumina polishing balls, then fill the remaining air inside it with molten aluminum (or a structurally sound bismuth-tin mix, if you don't have a forge setup, though it's more expensive and heavy than aluminum and all) Keeping the alumina in with say, chickenwire fencing or a screen clipped to the sides of the cooking tray while the molten metal fills it, then after the metal hardens coat the surface with spray-on bedliner. Should be less than $100 total for the materials, and it would be interesting to see how it would hold up vs rifle rounds. (given the principle should be similar to that used in some composite tank armors)
Composite armour is not that effective against kinetic rounds at low volumes. It's instead extremely effective against chemical rounds.
True, however I'm still curious how it might perform, given the hardness of alumina and all.
Furthermore, it would be a higher volume plate vs most level 3 AR500 armors, at about double the overall thickness, (steel backing plus a half inch of materials) if it's using 5mm alumina material it should stack to three-four layers in the tray, plus the metal between, should lead to both round deformation and friction breaking)
You build it, I am sure they would shoot it.
You see, I would, if I could spare $100, and I could find a place that sells alumina polishing medium where I could pick it up from the store or would ship to a PO box.
#workingclassproblems
spalling is when the opposite side of a plate from the impact point fragments due to the impact on the other side. For example in ww1 tank crews wore chain mail masks because even though rifle bullets couldn't penetrate the armor, the brittle steel plate used would send metal splinters into the fighting compartment when impacted on the outside by a high velocity projectile. The interiors of some more recent tanks are lined with kevlar to prevent this.
How would a flat sheet of rubber (nylon reinforced?) work instead of the flex-seal? You could perhaps use a contact adhesive to glue it on.
Good idea.
Yeah, I imagine that would be a lot tougher.
Sheet of nylon-reinforced rubber... you mean like a piece of tire sidewall? Yeah, that'd work.
You can also get it for conveyor-belts and such -- in which case it is flat, unlike a tire sidewall.
@@taofledermaus perhaps kevlar sheeted over the plate
Taofledermouse,
Can you do the car tyre silencer myth?
Supposedly shooting down the centre of a dozen tires works as a silencer for high power rifles.
It does and it would be considered a NFA item. You would put insulation inside the tire to help control and slow the gas from bouncing off as fast.
I'd like to see that too. Perhaps a shotgun slug loaded subsonic.
It's what most hitmen carry with them.
@Random Name wrong its a silencer look it up
@Random Name
Silencer,suppressor,moderator or can, call them what you like! I go with silencer, because thats what the inventor called it,not because they actually fully "silence" a firearm.
"Maxim is also noted as the inventor of the "Maxim Silencer", a silencer for firearms (patented in 1908)"
Now, if you shoot a boat with a 12 gauge slug, then repair it with Flex Seal, how resistant to further shots will it be? I mean, that's a LOT of damage!
haha
*I sawed this boat in half!*
Great job as always my friend. Thanks! I bet if you took some layers of kevlar and embedded it in the wet flex seal and let it dry it may help with loose fragment containment. Love your vids.
Very Cool Meow!!! Some food for thought. Roughing up the surface sounds like a great start but Try a layer of card board on the front with the flex seal. That may trap those “splatter” fragments. I think spalling is the transferred energy fragments created on the opposite side of the steal/armor from round impact. I believe my tanker buddies in the service talked about it. I jumped so I don’t know for sure. Love your Work Meow😺👍
NOW THATS ALOT OF DAMAGE
*multiple coats used
Not enough scratch on the plate for flexseal to grip... and maybe not thick enough.. but il love the idea :D
Love u taofledermaus ❤
I would like to see you sandwich a soft body armor panel to the AR500 armor, using FlexSeal as the glue.
YoderTexas I was always curious about a soft armor plate in front of Ar500 too! Thanks!
I wonder if this stuff could be improved for anti-spalling by using fiberglass cloth or some other such strong woven material...
Steel > FlexSeal > Fiberglass cloth pressed into wet FS > 3 layers of FlexSeal > Fiberglass cloth pressed into wet FS > final FS layer
If the FS had a way of keeping itself together better, it might result in better fragment control... And just because the fragments didn't fly at a 90-degree angle in these specific examples, it doesn't mean 100% won't, and doesn't mean these fragments aren't still dangerous to the wearer... This is the nice thing about having plates in a plate carrier; the carrier fabric itself catches much of what the anti-spalling material doesn't.
Roughing the plate up first will definitely help. After that, rather than floating a thick layer on, try this. Scrape a thin layer on first; this will force a bond about as well as you can get. Then you can float it thick.
Another thing you can try, is run down to the hardware store, you'll find notched trowels. First do the flat scrape mentioned above, let dry. Use the notched trowel to draw thick lines over it, let dry. Then layer a smoothing coat into it.
Lastly, the cardboard on one side is a difficult metric. Put the plate inside a box, so you can see how the rounds splatter, up sides and down. The bricks and plate won't let the box get away and collect collateral damage.
I remember my grandfather telling me about his experience with bullet spalling while serving in WW2 (Pacific) his hands and arm's where all scared up from a near miss from enemy machine gun fire lucky for him he had on a welders mask at the time may he rest in peace
That seemed to work well. But how would it work if you use layers of cloth and flex seal kinda like fiberglass is made. Would that work better??
interesting...
Very
You’re the best I’m glad you’re still around 👍
Didn't do .556 against painted side. Other than that, awesome vid as always! I love watching your videos. Very informative and entertaining specially with the offhand commentary from OG!
Would be interesting to see how it would work if you chopped up an old kevlar vest and mixed some of it into the flex seal before putting it on. It would help keep the flex seal from splitting off chunks and blistering.
NerdByDesign "chopped up an old Kevlar vest" yeah that's kinda difficult
I had the same thought about fibre in the mix too
@@MODElAIRPLANE100 You can cut kevlar fibers with scissors pretty easily. Razor blades also go through without much trouble.
It wouldn’t work. If the AR500 Steel is behind the mixture it’ll still connect and splatter off. I believe you’re thinking of Spiderman’s webbing 😉
Nerd i was thinking the same thing
Layer of flex then layer of Kevlar( soaked in flex) then layer of flex then Kev then flex then Kevlar.
Ohhh dragon skin style armour with flex seal hmmm worth looking at I reckon
Try Napa Stone Guard. It has more tensile strength than Flex Seal.
they talk about that around the 7:18 time mark how the plates are normally covered in a line-x type of coating
Maybe a layer a fabric between some of the layers of flex seal might help?
probably!
I was just gonna type that lol
Duft tape or kevlar
I like that you zoomed in on him clearing the weapon, for those people concerned that you're not being safe.
One thing about using these flexible coatings is that they don't fracture like paint does. The coating is stronger that it will peel off the substrate. The bond between the coating is stronger than the bond to the substrate. So having a rough surface improves the grip the coating has to the substrate. The video shows sections of the coating holding together even though it has lifted from the steel.
Glad someone tested this. I was curious about it, too. I do have a suggestion if you're willing to try. Like you said, rough up surface with burgundy scotchbrite or 320 sand paper and clean it with degreaser. But, mix a good amount of sand in with the flex seal as an aggregate. Then, of course, shoot that b**** with a 12ga slug!
I wonder if the flex seal spray would work better? Spray on multiple coats.
Thats why i subscribe to this channel because uall read our comments nlt others they blow u off not a like or or love man u all cool love ur video man keep it up.
thank you!
Awesome video. Definitely will be putting a few layers of flex seal on my bodies armor for personal use thanks for the information!
I like this video. I do agree with you about prepping first. More layers, definitely. Scoring the steel surface to increase adhesion, definitely. But you also need to wrap the material around the edge. The shots close to the sides lifted the flex seal completely and didn't give a full picture of possibilities.
Research shows that the fin on that ar's grip makes it a less deadly firearm therefore this test may not be accurate
At least we still own them here. I have to dress it up for videos so 8000 clowns don’t write in saying it’s illegal. It might look ugly, but it shoots just as fast and accurately as it did before it was “converted”. 😎👍
@@OGsDangerShow Aren't you exempt from most of our absurd gun laws anyways?
Most, but not the silly “assault rifle “ thing. Trust me, I’m only compliant on video. 😉
I bought a M1A scout instead because I didn't want to deal with it. No one seems to care about my black rifle.
@@bourbonwarrior1618 yeah man that classic looking battle rifle is statistically less dangerous because it doesn't look as scary.
If you used something to reinforce the Flex Seal, like drywall patch tape, maybe the coating would have held together better.
Night Owl Gaming oil based primer might would work better, but really at those energy levels I doubt either would have helped significantly
Night Owl's got a point. It's not how hard it sticks - even the usual bed liner blows off in bubbles - but it's the tensile strength that's lacking. A layer of Flex Seal, a layer of fabric before it dries, then another layer of Flex Seal would probably be enough.
I love the deeply sarcastic camera zoom
haha
@@taofledermaus yeah my immediate reaction was "why are they zooming in on officer gregg being safe"
Idea: a FMJ round with a gold jacket on a lead bullet called the FullMetal Alchemist.
I shot hand guns competitively for years. Montrose Colorado used to have a competition called the "Steel Challenge" where you faced off against an opponent and had to drop steel plates. First to the stop plate dropping won. I carried my chair, gun bag and ammo in a little red wagon like kids use. At the end of a day of shooting it would have a LOT of lead and copper fragments in it. And it was sitting WAY back from the targets/firing line. During practive once one of my 45 cal, 230 grain round nose all lead bullets splattered against the plate, bounce back and a dime to nickle sized flat piece of lead struck my buddies wife in the front of the calf. Just hit flat and stuck there. We pulled it off. Slight burn from the heat and painful but she was still able to compete. Lead hitting steel isn't safe at close distance (up to 20+feet even). I'm thinkng the cloth/other material of the plate carriers help mitigate the splatter. Love to see a video on that.
*_Hey Jeff, I was thinking and maybe if you scored the AR-500 with something the flexseal would stick better, so the chunks wouldn't fly off as badly. Also it might help if in every layer you added a sheet of fabric, fiber glass or kevlar, because the strands would kinda work like rebar in cement and retain the stay chunks._*
*_Love you content my guy_*
wonder what difference it would make using burlap sandwiched between layers?
it would probably help
sheets of Kevlar between layers.
Carbon fiber sheets Perhaps?
@@taofledermaus
At least burlap is cheap....
Mmm mmm, burlap sandwiches.
Good video as always Jeff.
thanks John!
That's one hell of a video I did not know that and I'm sure a lot of other people didnt either. Thanks for the enlightenenment
These plates are slipped into a pocket in the vest and I'm sure the material is designed to capture as much of the splatter as possible. Good video, thanks
EDIT: who in their right mind is down voting these videos? Wait.... I know...all the gun haters that can't wait to watch the next gun video, what a sad pathetic life. There is a lesson there somewhere.
The down votes are still good for the video. many people don't realize that.
Mark Summerfield that's what I was thinking. Does Kevlar woven into a plate carrier offer better protection from splatter?
Thumb down your comment for making wrong assumtions.
Love watching your videos keep up the good work guys. That video from Turkey a couple of weeks ago was out of it. Good work guys.
Thanks James! 😎👍
An idea: fill a cartridge with flexseal. Treat the cartridge with teflon or silicone spray before so the slug will release. Also fill it with shot, so that it is like your wax slug in a rubber version.
So sad to see that horrible featureless grip on an otherwise fine rifle.
Might be ugly but runs 100% as fast and accurate as the original.
It pains me to see such good people as Tao, OG and Danny, have to live oppressed in Commifornia.
Officer Gregg no disrespect intended to you or your rifle, just sad that you have to slap that thing on it.
I'd have to ask what the point is then but the California government and logical gun laws seem to exist in separate realities
When I hear the term "Featureless" it makes me think of a person without a face.
All in the name of Science. Amazing video, as always.
Matt at Demolition Ranch invented the wheel
Fuck Demo Ranch
And profitable "gun" channels for hipsters.
@@joemo1033 yeah he's a bit too douchey for my taste.
People are starting to see through Matt's fading sheen...
@@PeterOekvist I don't see what the problem is. He seems to be a financially successful gun nut with a good sense of humor who makes fun videos.
Is it cool to not like him now because he's profitable? I should have checked my high-school-clique Facebook alerts about who's douchie now. I'm so not hip to who we're supposed to not like.
Crazy thought: would the steel and flex-seal stay together better if your steel was grooved like a non-stick p....
Oh, you thought of that. Yeah, probably very hard to cut a fine pattern of grooves two ways into a hardened steel plate, but I think it'd:
1) Allow the coating to hang on better under the impacts and
2) cause the fragmetns to bounce *out* rather than splashing *across* the surface.
I hope to never need to use my plates, but this restored a lot of faith into my impulse buy from a few years ago
Picture of Officer Greg on the title card? Count me in, whats this wacky man up to now?!
You need to raise your standards bro! 😎👍. Thanks for watching.
I used the cringiest photo I took of him lol
Why don't they just put a lip on the outer edge of the armor? Like a .25 inch protruding edge that would deflect the splatter. It would only need to be at the top too.
The armor weight is already a bit much... a lip added on... I'd defy you to wear it for 1 hr... standing up !
@@seminolerick6845 I think he might be on to something.. just an outer ring might help and be just a tad heavier, but hes wrong about it only having to be on top, the sides must be done as well, you have arms yunno...
I had never even thought about bullet splatter, though I'd heard the term before. Thank you! (Not only for an educational video, but one that was also entertaining to watch!)
thanks!
Spalling is generally what comes loose on the inside of armour plate that is hit from the outside. whatever gets knocked loose by the projectile could be called spalling. I'm sure someone will argue about it...lol. great videos!
Spall is flakes of a material that are broken off a larger solid body and can be produced by a variety of mechanisms, including as a result of projectile impact, corrosion, weathering, cavitation, or excessive rolling pressure (as in a ball bearing). Spalling and spallation both describe the process of surface failure in which spall is shed.
Can you turn it into a boat now???
That Cali compliant ar makes me wanna puke
It's not great, but at least he can run detachable magazines in that configuration. Throw an ambi selector in it, and it's really not that bad.
I've tried 'em, but I live in Texas, so I don't have to mess with that. I've got a safe full of stuff that would be felonies in Kalifornia.
@@immikeurnot lol I feel you in that, I have a scary glock 23 that holds 14 and my ar holds full 30
At least we still own them here. I have to dress it up for videos so 8000 clowns don’t write in saying it’s illegal. It might look ugly, but it shoots just as fast and accurately as it did before it was “converted”. 😎👍
@@OGsDangerShow why don't y'all go shoot videos in "Mexico" as the street racers do
Wholeheartedly agree.
Quick question: Is the pistol grip only illegal for semi-autos or does it apply to bolt action rifles as well?
It's such a weird ban - and that's from a Swedish shooter/hunter who's living in one of the strictest countries in the world when it comes to civilian firearms...
splatter, spalling, or spatter?
It's pronounced CARBEAN dammit!
Hahahahahahahahahahaha!
Excellent. I wonder if a layer brushed onto screen wire (like rebar in cement) then placed over the layer the way you have it done, possibly with a layer of foam rubber between to give a little stand off space, wouldn't catch 100%. Maybe test it out to verify results.
It's always best to not change any of the variables when doing stuff like this. When you went from sheetrock to cardboard that will affect results. Also would have been great to have one more piece of sheetrock one the top of the plate to mimic a chin. I suspect if you placed just two layers of kevlar with your flex seal you would achieve the results you want. I would recommend sanding or grinding the ar plate to give the flex sewl something to grab onto.
Who else was hoping to here "That's NOT a lot of damage!" ?
That .40 hits harder than the 9m That's for damn sure lol
That’s why my agency uses it!
@@OGsDangerShow May I ask what ammunition the officers is allowed to carry?. I know the Leo buddy's of mine here in MO. is allowed to carry even a 10mm if they desire. Gold dots 180grn*
My agency issues the M&P 40 and supplies us with plenty of 180 gr. Federal HST in .40. We don’t get to choose our primary duty pistol or ammunition.
@@OGsDangerShow M&P is an excellent weapon Along with them 180grn hst Its a Beast! 💪
8:05 sorry I don't agree when you said that every other channel ignores their viewers... the whole reason I know about your channel is from watching a Donut Operator live stream where he was talking to you as you left comments... your channel turned me on to the AVE Channel through your collaborations...
Donut is pretty good about the comments, I'll give him that. That's why I watch him, NOT for him to promote my channel!
Great video, I actually just wrapped a 550 plate in a layer of kydex, just barely wrapping it around the edge of the plate. I’d be curious to see you try that!
Haven't tried that. If I were to modify a plate, I'd probably tack a thin sheetmetal rim around the perimeter to catch the frags.
I believe "spalling" is what it's called when the back of a metal plate gets the energy of the shot transferred to it and so that side of the plate has bits break off and become shrapnel. An extra coating on the back side, like you did, would likely help against that.
#donttellmere! Wait a minute......
That's a lot of damage
now do flex-seal and home depot fiberglass mat in alternating layers.
kevlar would be better and maybe se linex. I want to see that ersonall. I think the 2 would be pretty damn impresive.
kevlar
Hey Jeff. Been a loyal fan of your work for a long time now. So I never forget to like your videos. Greets from Lithuania! 🇱🇹
thank you! I have another MakSnipe coming up!
@@taofledermaus thanks for the reply! I am pretty excited about upcoming stuff! Found it interesting that Lithuania is one of the most pro-gun countries in Europe (We even make our own AR-15s) while You Sir run a Gun channel in California - one of the most anti-gun states in the union. Keep up the great work!
IIRC, splatter is fragments from the projectile, spalling is fragments from the back side of the plate itself opposite the impact or combined projectile and armor fragments on the back side if the projectile penetrates.
It would be more effective when you have the plate in it's carrier.
I'd expect any *quality* carrier to contain the fragmentation of the bullet. You shouldn't _need_ to coat your plates.
Michael Carnes buy real plates like ceramic
Carriers will help but never should you rely on it. See numerous UA-cam videos. Iraq Veteran 8888.
I agree 100%. I only meant that in the scenario that you tested the plate it would have been an extra layer of protection. Plates should come with the coating on it.
@@zack9912000 ceramic platss cost more, are fragile and weigh the same. My ceramic plates in Iraq weighed about 12 pounds each
Jeff we know you care. I've commented several times on these videos and always get a response from you guys, whether you or the great OG ahah. Just wanted to say that I appreciate the work you guys do to entertain us and that I do think you listen to your viewer base. Wish you guys all well all the way from Portugal!
Hello from the US! Thanks for watching! I’ll be in Portugal and the Azores next spring, we should grab a cold one.
If you come by Lisbon sure ahah I'm up for grabbing a drink, the Azores are a bit far away for me but send me a message if you pass by Lisbon. Hope you enjoy our country when you come!
Small correction for the OG, you are right they do use truck bed liner like Line-X to catch bullet fragments, but it's not at all like flex-seal.
Line-X is a poly-urea, and the material has very long chains of molecules in a tangled up spaghetti-like structure. It's extremely strong, and has extremely high tensile strength. If you had coated the front of the AR500 with 1/4" of Line-X, the bullet would penetrate it, fragment on the steel, and the fragments would be completely held in the lining material, creating a small bulge. From the front there would be a single point of impact and no visible splatter at all. They use the stuff to line the Pentagon walls so that if a bomb explodes outside it will stop shrapnel from penetrating inside.
Flex seal is made of asphalt and rubber and petroleum plus other adhesives and proprietary chemicals. It may be an excellent sealant, and have very good bonding, but it doesn't have any tensile strength to slow down and catch the fragments.
For the record you cold probably find an auto shop near you that can coat Line-X on your AR500. Putting 1/4" on it shouldn't cost you more than 40$-50$..
We know the bed liner stuff is different from the flex seal. That was mentioned here.
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that's good to know thank you for taking the time out to show and share
I saw a test with either flex seal or one of the bed liner coatings, he was ables to capture the spall from the bullet.
He used cork, I'm guessing about 4mm thick. If I remember correctly he may have used a adhesive to attach the cork to the steel plate before he covered it with the bed liner.I believe the bed liner was also alot thicker.
Wonderful video. Very nice footage and shooting. Will wait (impatiently) for you guys to get the choronos camera back...:)
I feel naked without the camera. I do hope we'll get better imagery with it.
This brings up an excellent question when looking for quality in a plate carrier. How well does the outside layer stop fragmentation? Keep the videos coming! Great content!
For use against anything smaller than a carbine, you are MUCH safer with soft armor. Even with the "anti-spalling" costing, plates are dangerous. I use PTE plate on my chest rig, and a steel plate in the back where you are much less likely to catch shrapnel from a splatter.
I bet embedding a tough fabric layer or two into that flexseal would have helped even more.
The coating they use in AR500 and similar coating are basically the melted polyurethane spray on bed line like line-X. It has strands like fiber glass or kevlar. It's basically like spraying the plate with melted skate board tires that has strand of material for added strength and to tangle with the shrapnel. Those acetone melted canned bed liner and under body coatings just aren't hard or strong enough and they lack the webbing like fiber matte that is blended into the polymer coatings. I have a set of plain steel AR500 plates and I epoxied soft body armor to it to act as a net to tangle up the shrapnel. It works great btw