I'm an atheist, but the Shroud of Turin has always been a blind spot in my atheism. Today I am currently reevaluating my stance on the existence of God. I've always said if I was presented hard proof and convincing evidence, I would do that, and this piece of linen looks to be pretty convincing to me. I have been unable to come up with an explanation as to how that image got on the cloth, which doesn't really mean very much, but there are much smarter people than me who have also tried to do this, and they too have failed. I do try to think skeptically, but there comes a stage when you just have to accept something even it leads to your whole worldview being turned on its head. Yes indeed, the Shroud of Turin looks like it's the proof I've been looking for that will see me reaching for my Bible and returning to church.
@@Warriorking.1963Love the humility and curiosity you present. I'd encourage you to keep tracking down truth, I believe it will ultimately lead you back to God's word (that's where it took me, anyways!) The shroud is not only truly unexplainable from a modern scientific standpoint, it also ecactly matches the biblical account of Christ's crucifixion, which in turn matches Isaiah's very specific prophecy about the coming messiah (which is incredible, considering crucification didn't exist in Isaiah's time). I hope you stay on the hunt for truth and keep a soft heart along the way! "For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few."
We live in a world that is characterized by rejection of God and heavily influenced by those who put themselves in opposition to Him. Yet at the same time, He has given us this most powerful evidence of His teachings, and Who He is. It would seem He is bolstering our faith at a time when we are most sorely in need of it.
But that's simply choice, people don't have to believe. It's like this guy he's knowingly being economical with the truth, it sounds like he knows all the answers but he's omitting the details of the Carbon Dating. The fact is that before the Oxford test they took the samples to Textile industry experts in Leeds England to make sure the samples taken would represent when tested the age of the whole shroud. The official stance of the Catholic Church is that won't say the shroud is genuine. According to this guy it's a slam dunk yet the people in charge of the shroud who've had regular updates & revaluations of the Carbon Dating won't say the shroud is genuine & see no need to get the shroud tested again.
"For those who do not believe, no explanation is possible" (but they cannot refute this), and "for those who believe, no explanation is necessary." (but it sure is fun to hear these validating facts.) Please pray for all those with hardened hearts who scoff at the shroud or feel it's just biased priests. May the blessed Virgin Mary and St Joseph lead them to soften their hearts and humbly accept Jesus' shocking love for them, especially our dear family who have turned away.
I was thinking about the AB blood type, yesterday, for some reason. It had not occurred to me, that the universal recipient nature could be viewed with such a profound symbolic understanding....Interesting!
@@maryannerazzano7692 Indeed. More common amongst peoples that live at altitude. If other antigens are present, then I believe that would be even less common.
I follow a spanish doctor from the "Centro de sindonologia" he has studied the Shroud of Turin for over 30 years it is amazing to learn all the story before the Holy relic of our lord
I saw this priest talking about the Eucharistic miracles and all this science behind it. I got really excited to check it out and went to his website and could not find a single link to a complete scientific article. I was disappointed so I emailed his website and they also could not provide the actual scientific articles he was quoting…. I would really love to see the scientific articles on the Eucharistic miracles that he said some European pathology lab wrote.
@@chommie5350 So in other words you're saying that he's a nutter and similarly by calling me a nutter U R one too. Hint hint. Let me know when you've got that figured out
We see in another New Testament passage that deals with then-current burial customs, and this occurred only a few miles from Jesus’ burial site. John 11:11-45 describes the resurrection of Lazarus by Jesus. Verse 44 describes in detail what Lazarus looked like when he came forth from his grave: “The man who had died came out, his hands and feet bound with linen strips, and his face wrapped with a cloth. Jesus said to them, ‘Unbind him, and let him go.’” Even if it only specifically mentions his hands and feet, here Lazarus is bound with multiple clothes, just like Jesus was in John 20:7, with a separate napkin around his head.
Wasn't this new test sample taken from the same flawed area adjacent to the Raes sample which was a part of the French re-weaved area by the Poor Clair nuns many centuries later? If so, aren't all tests invalid if taken from this area, even if the results conflict?
I withdrew my last reply to you. So you are saying that someone had Shroud material taken from the central body part of the Shroud and tested the sample? Do you know from which part? The only other part of the Shroud that I'm aware of that was taken back in 1978 was from sticky tape pollen samples which I suspect could not be used for dating. Or could they? @@jimmalloy7279
Here is the answer. The newer test was taken from the same area as the C-14 sample. Thus, both results are called into question if the samples were taken from a side-strip that was sewn on in the 15th century.@@jimmalloy7279
The shroud of Turin is my Shroud which I was wrapped and magnificently made an imprint of myself 2000 years ago from the resurrection from the tomb in which I was laid bruised broken and cut as I have much more information also my father has sent me to retell the good news before all befalls which has been foretold as the kingdom is at hand the time to repentance and a change in all as the kingdom is at hand. I love you all
@@LennyCash777 Shalom Lenny for I speak not of deceit nor pretend for I am in fact Yeshua from the house of David and what I had written is Truth for there is no deceit in me! may peace be with you Yeshua
Hello - The actual paraphernalia are in Glastonbury, buried deep down and in a Sepulchre guarded by twelve Guardians. Were they to be brought to the surface they would immediately disintegrate upon exposure to the air. Details from the Winds of Truth Trust at minimal cost. Blessings - RevDrD/Ministry
Really fascinating stuff! But there will always be a nagging doubt until we get another carbon dating done. I wish the Church would bite the bullet and authorise new carbon dating tests, but ensure this time that they use small samples from several parts of the whole shroud.
That was the original plan, actually. But they downgraded it to just having one sample from one part of the Shroud which then was divided amongst the three labs. And out of the entirety of the Shroud they chose the questionable part.
@@holdingsteadfast Yes, I know. That’s why I think the Church should arrange for a second carbon dating test, done properly this time. Let the cards fall where they will.
I do believe that the Shroud is genuine for many scientific tests and historical facts that have corroborated its authenticity, as far as what catholics called “ the real presence” be mindful that Satan can appear as an angel of light and has deceived billions with wrong doctrines. Jesus said in John 6:35 “ I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never thirst”, also he said in John 6:63 “. The Spirit gives life, the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you they are full of the Spirit and life” so this is what Jesus meant to be nourished by him, that is by means of the Spirit of God not by means of a physical act such as eating or drinking.
Either the shroud verifies the accuracy of the Gospel story, or on the contrary the Gospel story authenticates the shroud. Neither the false shroud nor the proven inaccurate gospel pose any threat to the Christian faith (belief that Jesus of Nazareth is/is not resurrected and is/is not sent by God as his own son to "save" human kind) or for the agnostic who fears facing "proofs" of the resurrection or simply the existence of God, sole master of death and life, creator of the universe and "Father" of men. Indeed, the fact that the shroud of the historical Christ may perhaps have been preserved until our days proves absolutely nothing.
Jesus is God's Son. Jesus was born by the virgin Mary who conceived by God. Jesus never sinned. Jesus was crucified and died for the sins of the world. Jesus's Blood was shed for the forgiveness of sins. Jesus was entombed for three days. Jesus was raised from the dead by God. Jesus left the tomb. Jesus was seen, heard and touched by witnesses who said Jesus is alive. Jesus ascended to heaven and sat down on the right hand of God. Jesus will return to the earth. Jesus is Lord if you confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart God has raised Him from the dead you shall be saved. Any one who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, Jesus, that any one who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. God is Love. Eternal life is knowing God forever. Jesus said, "No greater love has one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends. If we confess our sins God is faithful and just to forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. For more about Jesus read the New Testament of the Bible.
The sacrifice of Jesus was unnecessary. If Yahweh was all powerful, all wise, all knowing, and all loving, as believers claim then this would be a perfect world free of suffering and human sacrifice. Science has never proved the shroud is the burial cloth of a miracle working godman. That is the job of the believers.
Sir, if the Shroud's images had been a human production, the 1978 investigation (8000 pounds of equipment, five days of unrestricted access) would have discovered that fact. And you have no right to dictate to the Creator of our universe what this universe has to be.
When it comes to the passage from I Cor. 11:14-15, one must remember that it was written at least 20 years after the death of Jesus. Closer study will reveal that it is simply Paul's personal opinion and certainly not a regulation which would have applied to Jesus during his lifetime.
What constitutes “long” hair? Down to the lower back? Or all the way down to the bottom of the buttocks? Like only women have typically displayed throughout history? Because that does not appear to be the case for the figure on the shroud. “Long” is an imprecise term and is arguably subjective.
The most holy relic in all Christendom is missing in action for 1300 years then mysteriously appears in 14th C. France. Many contemporaries identify it as a forgery and a bishop in a letter to the pope even claims the forger of the Shroud had confessed. When the Shroud is finally carbon dated in the 1980s, the results place it around the 14th C., consistent with its first appearance in the historical record. The Gospels describe Jesus's burial wrapping as strips of cloth, which the Shroud certainly is not, and the New Testament writers, writing decades after Jesus's death, make no mention of a miraculous image on his burial cloth. Yet the show must go on. I'm sure within the next decade a dozen more scientific tests will point to the Shroud's inescapable authenticity.
You're about 20 years behind the actual science. In 2005, a thermochemical engineer, named Raymond Rogers, proved the Carbon 14 dating was severely flawed. His paper proving this was peer reviewed and published in Thermochimica Acta, one of the top scientific journals in the world. He retested samples left over from the 1988 dating debacle and proved that the section the test sample was taken from had been expertly repaired with cotton, and then dyed to match the linen of the actual Shroud. Since then, more accurate testing has been done, and it shows that the linen cloth is from the first century.
The Shroud wasn't "missing" for 1400 years. Pollen samples found on the Shroud place it in Jerusalem; and Odessa, Turkey, among other places. The stone dust and particles found on the tip of the nose, the knees, and the feet, place it specifically in Jerusalem. The blood patterns on the Shroud match identically in type, size, and shape with the Sudarium of Oviedo, in Spain, which has been kept in a Church there since the early 600s. Science and forensics say that the only way both cloths could have identical blood types and patterns is if they were on the exact same body. The evidence is overwhelming that it is authentic. There is NO actual physical evidence to the contrary.
@@jeffscully50613 So, let's get another radiocarbon dating test done to close the case. I wish the Church would authorise a second test, this time ensuring that samples from the entire shroud are used.
@blakemoon123 that probably won't happen for a couple of reasons. 1) Since the 1988 testing, the Shroud has been relocated to a different protective casing this time filled with several different gasses to help eliminate deterioration. 2) There are now other tests possible that have made C14 tests for things like the Shroud obsolete. These tests put the Shroud in the first century. We don't hear much about these things because 1) it's the Shroud. 2) it's a secular world controlled by a secular media.
What nonsense. Not one peer reviewed study supports this claim after having been examined by the scholarly community. The dating put it a least 1000 after the life of Christ. Someone should tell the Catholic Church as they have not supported the claim that this is authentic. Why?
You sure do need to get with the times. It was like *18 years ago* that Dr. Ray Rogers, a scientist at Los Alamos National Scientific Laboratories in New Mexico, *proved* that the carbon testing was done in error as the sample taken was from non-original part of the Shroud. The Shroud of Turin is 2000 years old.
@@beverlyhurd8556 No you need to understand the critique of his assertion and the fact that researchers have offered to test ANY part of the shroud as they are confident that it’s a Middle Ages fraud that existed all over Europe during the period. It’s not up to anyone to disprove its authenticity. It’s up to believers to prove its authenticity which to date they have not done.
@@drstevej2527 Actually, sir, they have. In 1978 the Shroud's images were examined and tested by scientists who used 8000 pounds of equipment over a five day period of unrestricted access to the cloth. Those images are not the work of an artist and are not composed of any artistic medium. The cloth has been in contact with a human corpse and the blood stains are human blood. Furthermore, the Shroud cannot be dated by radiocarbon because its images appear to have been created by some type of radiation. Until one can demonstrate a natualistic mechanism for the formation of those images, one cannot dismiss the possibility of an associated neutron flux. See: "The Carbon Dating of the Shroud is Explained by Neutron Absorption," Rucker, 2020.
I agree. Those who can't see that the Shroud is clearly the actual burial cloth of a crucified man, crowned with a cap of thorns, whose side was pierced with a sharp instrument the exact size of a Roman lance; whose wrists and feet were pierced with something the exact size of the nails used by Romans in the first century . . . ALL of which are detailed in the Gospels . . . do and say whatever they have to to deny the truth.
@@granmabern5283 Yeah I think being scourged, whipped, dehydrated, and forced to carry a cross big enough to support the body of a grown man for many miles, would age someone quite a bit.
Very true !! The only BAD SCIENCE is that performed by christian or Catholic aligned research institutes that have a clear bias to the shroud being authentic , and have yet to be tested and peer reviewed by independent scientists. Every single internet site that claims science "validates" the shroud is linked to or owned by a christian or Roman Catholic organization , not independent. Successive C14 dating completed in at least three different labs in three different countries proved it was medieval. As recently as 2018 , forensic scientists that specialize in crime scenes and blood spatter from the Liverpool John Moore University in the U.K.were able to determine that the image of the body's blood stains had been staged and did not match up with a bleeding body staying in one position for an extended period of time. Furthermore , the recorded history of the shroud only starts in the 14th century which matches the c14 dating . Apparently the particular herringbone weave pattern of the entire cloth is consistent with a design that came about sometime in the fifth century in Italy , different to more ancient herringbone weaves. There is also apparently some evidence of pigments mixed with blood . The debate still goes on about how the image was produced , however some advances have been made regarding this , including a crude and tedious method of a type of medieval version of a camera obscura where magnified sunlight is projected on to a body through a glass lense and then reflected by a mirror onto a piece of cloth that may have been prepared with certain natural compounds that absorb the light in varying intensities , creating a crude type of negative. The historical evidence of the shroud also suggests it was taken to the middle east by Knights involved in the Crusades which would account for the pollens found in the cloth .
its a shame more people haven't seen this. This should and could rock the world.
There was a replica of the Shroud on display near me. It was so very powerful I couldn't stop crying.
I'm an atheist, but the Shroud of Turin has always been a blind spot in my atheism. Today I am currently reevaluating my stance on the existence of God. I've always said if I was presented hard proof and convincing evidence, I would do that, and this piece of linen looks to be pretty convincing to me. I have been unable to come up with an explanation as to how that image got on the cloth, which doesn't really mean very much, but there are much smarter people than me who have also tried to do this, and they too have failed.
I do try to think skeptically, but there comes a stage when you just have to accept something even it leads to your whole worldview being turned on its head.
Yes indeed, the Shroud of Turin looks like it's the proof I've been looking for that will see me reaching for my Bible and returning to church.
@@Warriorking.1963 welcome home ❤
@@Warriorking.1963 This is honestly such a great thing to hear! Follow the evidence wherever it leads you my friend! And don’t stop there!
@@Warriorking.1963Love the humility and curiosity you present. I'd encourage you to keep tracking down truth, I believe it will ultimately lead you back to God's word (that's where it took me, anyways!)
The shroud is not only truly unexplainable from a modern scientific standpoint, it also ecactly matches the biblical account of Christ's crucifixion, which in turn matches Isaiah's very specific prophecy about the coming messiah (which is incredible, considering crucification didn't exist in Isaiah's time).
I hope you stay on the hunt for truth and keep a soft heart along the way!
"For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few."
We live in a world that is characterized by rejection of God and heavily influenced by those who put themselves in opposition to Him. Yet at the same time, He has given us this most powerful evidence of His teachings, and Who He is. It would seem He is bolstering our faith at a time when we are most sorely in need of it.
But that's simply choice, people don't have to believe. It's like this guy he's knowingly being economical with the truth, it sounds like he knows all the answers but he's omitting the details of the Carbon Dating. The fact is that before the Oxford test they took the samples to Textile industry experts in Leeds England to make sure the samples taken would represent when tested the age of the whole shroud. The official stance of the Catholic Church is that won't say the shroud is genuine. According to this guy it's a slam dunk yet the people in charge of the shroud who've had regular updates & revaluations of the Carbon Dating won't say the shroud is genuine & see no need to get the shroud tested again.
"For those who do not believe, no explanation is possible" (but they cannot refute this), and "for those who believe, no explanation is necessary." (but it sure is fun to hear these validating facts.) Please pray for all those with hardened hearts who scoff at the shroud or feel it's just biased priests. May the blessed Virgin Mary and St Joseph lead them to soften their hearts and humbly accept Jesus' shocking love for them, especially our dear family who have turned away.
AMEN, THANKS FOR YOUR COMMENT....BLESSINGS!!
may the precious, sacred and miraculous blood of Jesus cover us with power, protection and healing cure. praise the Lord. Amen
"dead bodies don't normally do that" 🤣Father, that was wonderful!
That was hilarious. God bless Father Spitzer.
Amazing research and science, amazing Testing that’s recognized in the science community
I was thinking about the AB blood type, yesterday, for some reason. It had not occurred to me, that the universal recipient nature could be viewed with such a profound symbolic understanding....Interesting!
Its not common. I have AB - and that's less than 15% of the population
@@maryannerazzano7692 Indeed. More common amongst peoples that live at altitude. If other antigens are present, then I believe that would be even less common.
It just so happen... my aunt is AB typed and she is one of the most selfish person I have ever known.
@@amb8354 Your point? Blood antigens were never promoted as an indicator of altruistic inclination in this conversation.
@@spiroketal7024 yeah, just saying...it has nothing to do with the blood if you're a good or bad as exactly what you're stating. Thank you.
I follow a spanish doctor from the "Centro de sindonologia" he has studied the Shroud of Turin for over 30 years it is amazing to learn all the story before the Holy relic of our lord
I follow him too he speaks in a lot of Colleges around Europe and LatinAmerica
BS
@@me-ds2il How so? Please explain.
@@johndanielharold3633 Grow a brain
This Priest is brilliant
A stunning relic to confound our Technical era
Thank you guys, and thank you Father. Will try to spread this information as much as possible.
Hi Chris ~ thank you for all you do 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Saint John 20:29
Jesus said to him, “Have you come to believe because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and have believed.”
I saw this priest talking about the Eucharistic miracles and all this science behind it. I got really excited to check it out and went to his website and could not find a single link to a complete scientific article. I was disappointed so I emailed his website and they also could not provide the actual scientific articles he was quoting…. I would really love to see the scientific articles on the Eucharistic miracles that he said some European pathology lab wrote.
I enjoy watching Father Spitzer so much. He is scary smart!
He's a nutter
@@me-ds2il takes one to know one ...hint hint
@@chommie5350 So in other words you're saying that he's a nutter and similarly by calling me a nutter U R one too. Hint hint. Let me know when you've got that figured out
@@chommie5350 You're not capable
We see in another New Testament passage that deals with then-current burial customs, and this occurred only a few miles from Jesus’ burial site. John 11:11-45 describes the resurrection of Lazarus by Jesus. Verse 44 describes in detail what Lazarus looked like when he came forth from his grave:
“The man who had died came out, his hands and feet bound with linen strips, and his face wrapped with a cloth. Jesus said to them, ‘Unbind him, and let him go.’”
Even if it only specifically mentions his hands and feet, here Lazarus is bound with multiple clothes, just like Jesus was in John 20:7, with a separate napkin around his head.
Wasn't this new test sample taken from the same flawed area adjacent to the Raes sample which was a part of the French re-weaved area by the Poor Clair nuns many centuries later? If so, aren't all tests invalid if taken from this area, even if the results conflict?
My understanding is that the non-invasive modern tests were done to the original linen area.
I withdrew my last reply to you. So you are saying that someone had Shroud material taken from the central body part of the Shroud and tested the sample? Do you know from which part? The only other part of the Shroud that I'm aware of that was taken back in 1978 was from sticky tape pollen samples which I suspect could not be used for dating. Or could they? @@jimmalloy7279
Here is the answer. The newer test was taken from the same area as the C-14 sample. Thus, both results are called into question if the samples were taken from a side-strip that was sewn on in the 15th century.@@jimmalloy7279
Thank you for sharing!
The shroud of Turin is my Shroud which I was wrapped and magnificently made an imprint of myself 2000 years ago from the resurrection from the tomb in which I was laid bruised broken and cut as I have much more information also my father has sent me to retell the good news before all befalls which has been foretold as the kingdom is at hand the time to repentance and a change in all as the kingdom is at hand. I love you all
Maybe your intentions are good, but I don't think pretending to be Jesus and speaking for him is the right way to go.
@@LennyCash777 Shalom Lenny for I speak not of deceit nor pretend for I am in fact Yeshua from the house of David and what I had written is Truth for there is no deceit in me! may peace be with you Yeshua
Why didn't you show more of the shroud than of you?
Such greatness!!
unbelievable.....PRAISE JESUS
If the shroud is Jesus (it isn't), then why does the Church not consider it a holy relic?
Hello - The actual paraphernalia are in Glastonbury, buried deep down and in a Sepulchre guarded by twelve Guardians. Were they to be brought to the surface they would immediately disintegrate upon exposure to the air. Details from the Winds of Truth Trust at minimal cost. Blessings - RevDrD/Ministry
I've seen it in sante Fe at a monistary when I was a child. It was in bullet proof glass. It is real and it does exist.
Really fascinating stuff! But there will always be a nagging doubt until we get another carbon dating done. I wish the Church would bite the bullet and authorise new carbon dating tests, but ensure this time that they use small samples from several parts of the whole shroud.
Carbon dating is now obsolete with regard to objects such as the Shroud.
@@jeffscully50613 Why?
@blakemoon123 there is a better, more accurate test. Didn't you watch the video?
That was the original plan, actually. But they downgraded it to just having one sample from one part of the Shroud which then was divided amongst the three labs. And out of the entirety of the Shroud they chose the questionable part.
@@holdingsteadfast Yes, I know. That’s why I think the Church should arrange for a second carbon dating test, done properly this time. Let the cards fall where they will.
I do believe that the Shroud is genuine for many scientific tests and historical facts that have corroborated its authenticity, as far as what catholics called “ the real presence” be mindful that Satan can appear as an angel of light and has deceived billions with wrong doctrines. Jesus said in John 6:35 “ I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never thirst”, also he said in John 6:63 “. The Spirit gives life, the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you they are full of the Spirit and life” so this is what Jesus meant to be nourished by him, that is by means of the Spirit of God not by means of a physical act such as eating or drinking.
I have seen these videos before and No one talks about his chromosomes
He only has chromosomes from his Blessed Mother Mary ❤️
Jesus leaves his church these wonderful gifts
My favorite gift He left the Church is the Eucharist.
Acts 2:24 But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him.
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unpack also the test that dont validate iut..
It was posted a few days ago and here it is, friend :) ua-cam.com/video/yY9q0pkd-Ik/v-deo.html
Either the shroud verifies the accuracy of the Gospel story, or on the contrary the Gospel story authenticates the shroud. Neither the false shroud nor the proven inaccurate gospel pose any threat to the Christian faith (belief that Jesus of Nazareth is/is not resurrected and is/is not sent by God as his own son to "save" human kind) or for the agnostic who fears facing "proofs" of the resurrection or simply the existence of God, sole master of death and life, creator of the universe and "Father" of men. Indeed, the fact that the shroud of the historical Christ may perhaps have been preserved until our days proves absolutely nothing.
Jesus is God's Son. Jesus was born by the virgin Mary who conceived by God. Jesus never sinned. Jesus was crucified and died for the sins of the world. Jesus's Blood was shed for the forgiveness of sins. Jesus was entombed for three days. Jesus was raised from the dead by God. Jesus left the tomb. Jesus was seen, heard and touched by witnesses who said Jesus is alive. Jesus ascended to heaven and sat down on the right hand of God. Jesus will return to the earth. Jesus is Lord if you confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart God has raised Him from the dead you shall be saved. Any one who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, Jesus, that any one who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. God is Love. Eternal life is knowing God forever. Jesus said, "No greater love has one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends. If we confess our sins God is faithful and just to forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. For more about Jesus read the New Testament of the Bible.
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Since when did the church lie,? When they found it's better than having a real job.
The sacrifice of Jesus was unnecessary.
If Yahweh was all powerful, all wise, all knowing, and all loving, as believers claim then this would be a perfect world free of suffering and human sacrifice.
Science has never proved the shroud is the burial cloth of a miracle working godman. That is the job of the believers.
Sir, if the Shroud's images had been a human production, the 1978 investigation (8000 pounds of equipment, five days of unrestricted access) would have discovered that fact.
And you have no right to dictate to the Creator of our universe what this universe has to be.
You can't Call your self Christian if you don't have Faith. It is pain and simple and this case is more than Faith it is about science facts ✝️❤️
Total nonsense ..The shroud is a fake .Get over it ..lf your faith depends upon fake relics it's not woth having ..
Does not even nature teach you that it is a shame for a man to have long hair? 1 Corinthians 11:14
When it comes to the passage from I Cor. 11:14-15, one must remember that it was written at least 20 years after the death of Jesus. Closer study will reveal that it is simply Paul's personal opinion and certainly not a regulation which would have applied to Jesus during his lifetime.
What constitutes “long” hair? Down to the lower back? Or all the way down to the bottom of the buttocks? Like only women have typically displayed throughout history? Because that does not appear to be the case for the figure on the shroud. “Long” is an imprecise term and is arguably subjective.
If the presenter was chocolate he'd eat himself 😂
The most holy relic in all Christendom is missing in action for 1300 years then mysteriously appears in 14th C. France. Many contemporaries identify it as a forgery and a bishop in a letter to the pope even claims the forger of the Shroud had confessed. When the Shroud is finally carbon dated in the 1980s, the results place it around the 14th C., consistent with its first appearance in the historical record. The Gospels describe Jesus's burial wrapping as strips of cloth, which the Shroud certainly is not, and the New Testament writers, writing decades after Jesus's death, make no mention of a miraculous image on his burial cloth. Yet the show must go on. I'm sure within the next decade a dozen more scientific tests will point to the Shroud's inescapable authenticity.
You're about 20 years behind the actual science.
In 2005, a thermochemical engineer, named Raymond Rogers, proved the Carbon 14 dating was severely flawed. His paper proving this was peer reviewed and published in Thermochimica Acta, one of the top scientific journals in the world. He retested samples left over from the 1988 dating debacle and proved that the section the test sample was taken from had been expertly repaired with cotton, and then dyed to match the linen of the actual Shroud.
Since then, more accurate testing has been done, and it shows that the linen cloth is from the first century.
The Shroud wasn't "missing" for 1400 years. Pollen samples found on the Shroud place it in Jerusalem; and Odessa, Turkey, among other places.
The stone dust and particles found on the tip of the nose, the knees, and the feet, place it specifically in Jerusalem.
The blood patterns on the Shroud match identically in type, size, and shape with the Sudarium of Oviedo, in Spain, which has been kept in a Church there since the early 600s. Science and forensics say that the only way both cloths could have identical blood types and patterns is if they were on the exact same body.
The evidence is overwhelming that it is authentic. There is NO actual physical evidence to the contrary.
@@jeffscully50613 So, let's get another radiocarbon dating test done to close the case. I wish the Church would authorise a second test, this time ensuring that samples from the entire shroud are used.
@blakemoon123 that probably won't happen for a couple of reasons. 1) Since the 1988 testing, the Shroud has been relocated to a different protective casing this time filled with several different gasses to help eliminate deterioration. 2) There are now other tests possible that have made C14 tests for things like the Shroud obsolete. These tests put the Shroud in the first century.
We don't hear much about these things because 1) it's the Shroud. 2) it's a secular world controlled by a secular media.
@@blakemoon123 it's not up to the Church. The owner of the Shroud us the pope.
What nonsense. Not one peer reviewed study supports this claim after having been examined by the scholarly community. The dating put it a least 1000 after the life of Christ. Someone should tell the Catholic Church as they have not supported the claim that this is authentic. Why?
You sure do need to get with the times. It was like *18 years ago* that Dr. Ray Rogers, a scientist at Los Alamos National Scientific Laboratories in New Mexico, *proved* that the carbon testing was done in error as the sample taken was from non-original part of the Shroud. The Shroud of Turin is 2000 years old.
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No you need to understand the critique of his assertion and the fact that researchers have offered to test ANY part of the shroud as they are confident that it’s a Middle Ages fraud that existed all over Europe during the period.
It’s not up to anyone to disprove its authenticity. It’s up to believers to prove its authenticity which to date they have not done.
@@drstevej2527 Actually, sir, they have. In 1978 the Shroud's images were examined and tested by scientists who used 8000 pounds of equipment over a five day period of unrestricted access to the cloth. Those images are not the work of an artist and are not composed of any artistic medium. The cloth has been in contact with a human corpse and the blood stains are human blood.
Furthermore, the Shroud cannot be dated by radiocarbon because its images appear to have been created by some type of radiation. Until one can demonstrate a natualistic mechanism for the formation of those images, one cannot dismiss the possibility of an associated neutron flux.
See: "The Carbon Dating of the Shroud is Explained by Neutron Absorption," Rucker, 2020.
Sounds like you're an eitheist?
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Amazing the lengths these seemingly intelligent people go to to try and make things fit into their fairy stories
I agree. Those who can't see that the Shroud is clearly the actual burial cloth of a crucified man, crowned with a cap of thorns, whose side was pierced with a sharp instrument the exact size of a Roman lance; whose wrists and feet were pierced with something the exact size of the nails used by Romans in the first century . . . ALL of which are detailed in the Gospels . . . do and say whatever they have to to deny the truth.
Lies to support belief
@@me-ds2il what lies? There is scientific evidence all through the Shroud of Turin.
@@jeffscully50613 Ignoring contrary evidence isn't proper science. Unfortunately U don't understand that
@@me-ds2il there is no contrary evidence.
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Jesus was beaten and tortured to death.
@@granmabern5283 Yeah I think being scourged, whipped, dehydrated, and forced to carry a cross big enough to support the body of a grown man for many miles, would age someone quite a bit.
Not debunking a myth. Debunking poor science
Correcting poor science is the scientific thing to do.
Most of The Science was very well performed.
Yet the C-14 testers disgraced the god efforts of the others.
Very true !! The only BAD SCIENCE is that performed by christian or Catholic aligned research institutes that have a clear bias to the shroud being authentic , and have yet to be tested and peer reviewed by independent scientists. Every single internet site that claims science "validates" the shroud is linked to or owned by a christian or Roman Catholic organization , not independent.
Successive C14 dating completed in at least three different labs in three different countries proved it was medieval.
As recently as 2018 , forensic scientists that specialize in crime scenes and blood spatter from the Liverpool John Moore University in the U.K.were able to determine that the image of the body's blood stains had been staged and did not match up with a bleeding body staying in one position for an extended period of time.
Furthermore , the recorded history of the shroud only starts in the 14th century which matches the c14 dating . Apparently the particular herringbone weave pattern of the entire cloth is consistent with a design that came about sometime in the fifth century in Italy , different to more ancient herringbone weaves. There is also apparently some evidence of pigments mixed with blood .
The debate still goes on about how the image was produced , however some advances have been made regarding this , including a crude and tedious method of a type of medieval version of a camera obscura where magnified sunlight is projected on to a body through a glass lense and then reflected by a mirror onto a piece of cloth that may have been prepared with certain natural compounds that absorb the light in varying intensities , creating a crude type of negative.
The historical evidence of the shroud also suggests it was taken to the middle east by Knights involved in the Crusades which would account for the pollens found in the cloth .
A lot of effort went in to debunk the shroud ....even fraud 🤪
@@chommie5350 absolutely