Off Grid Washing Machine | Top Load Washers vs. Front Load Washers
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- Опубліковано 6 жов 2024
- If you are looking for an off grid washing machine and trying to decide between a top load washer and a front load washer you need to watch this video. There are many off grid laundry solutions out there. But, before you run out and by an "energy efficient" front load washing machine you should watch this video.The top load washing machine is just as energy efficient as the front load washing machine.That is why we are going to use an old hand-me-down top loader on our off grid homestead.
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The funny thing is that this old top loader was never designed with efficiency in mind unlike the front loader. Which means, a newer top-loader model should technically consume less. And from my experience, top loader (with an agitator) wash dirty clothes way better (as we've seen in this video, clothes are constantly getting cycled over and rub against each others, all that while being in the water (with front loader, your clothes are constantly in and out of the water, which is probably why cycles takes longer).
However, manufacturers makes a big deal with newer top loaders about how they use less water, but oftentimes the clothes on the top barely get wet and that also prevent clothes to cycle around properly. I always activate "Deep water wash" on my washer to make up for that.
Thanks. We have lived off grid 12 years now and I'm setting up our first washer, a Maytag like yours. Your vid was great!
I find appliance simplicity to be an important factor when choosing. In our case, being able to maintain and repair appliances is as important as energy consumption. Simple appliance design may not be as energy efficient but much more reliable. Simple crank buttons versus complicated computer controllers makes the future much more certain. It's a learning experience.
In Europe top load machines disappeared forty years ago. Nobody uses them, and they are not available to purchase. Everyone switched because front load machines are superior in every way. I don't understand why the US is still so in love with top load machines, and why they seem to think front load machines are something newly invented. Front load machines are proven to wash better, cause less damage to clothes, use less water, less energy to heat that water, less detergent and spin faster So clothes dry quicker saving yet more energy if you are drying in a machine. Front load machines should never smell, like all machines they benefit from a monthly very hot cycle, and powder detergent is always better.
what about panasonic top load
Put the watt meter on your pump. We also live off grid and water is a energy hog, second to the fridge. Btw, we have the same front load machine as the one you demonstrated (slightly more current model with touch buttons), no smell at all.
30 to 40 gallons per load, really wear on the water reserve...
When you have a front loader you need to leave the door open and wipe the gasket dry after you are done using it. That s why they have that bad smell.
my Front loader doesn't ever smell... however I always leave the door open and wipe the rubber seal after each wash. Front loaders don't tangle and cleans so much better. FL can be mounted on a made to suit box/bench and the smell maybe bc the door is closed. FL for me always. Happy washing.
Top loaders with agitator cleans way better but is alot rougher on clothes.
We live off grid and ran same type of tests and yes older top loader affiliated much better, shorter wash time. We went with new LG design that uses very littler power from our solar. It’s a large loader and is the best option we have tested. Costs $800.
That's surprising, I never really thought of a washing machine using so little power, I knew a dryer can be crazy but that is awesome about the washing machine! We have had a little washing machine we got at an off grid store a couple years back but is kinda small for using permanently and were thinking of other options :)
Pausing long enough to give a tip about the front load machine design.
Top load traditional machines some of us are used to using habitually close the lid. Makes sense for that application.
When it comes to front load machines leave door ajar. Do NOT close the door except when in use. No stinky.
with each wash day the front loader should be cleaned in the ring area and left open for about an hour to dry. same goes for dryer and any other washer and dryer.
A very useful video and lovely couple. Very good presentation.
I have always used a front loader, and a top loader. Let me tell you I am MUCH happier with the front loader. It uses less electricity, A LOT less water, a lot less detergent, saves me time, and detergent. Front load is the way to go from LG.
I hope one day, I'll be able to buy my Mom her own washing machine. This will help her so much. We're currently washing our clothes using hands.
Have a Maytag set from 1973 that’s still going strong and only paid $30 for them last year. The matching gas dryer may have a standing pilot but it continues to work just fine after all these years.
Have you guys tried using vinegar as part of the rinse cycle to prevent the smell on front loader.
I love your test, plus the both are fun to watch. Once who connect the water hoses you will love the Maytag, built to last.
Thanks. Yes it is already like 20 years old and still going strong.
But this is about the electricity usage.
Electricity wise a energy efficient model top loader will outperform a energy efficient front loader. The difference is water consumption
Pak martin, kelemahan dari front loader memang mudah ditumbuhi jamur. Tapi sebenarnya mudah untuk mencegahnya, sehabis mencuci, biarkan pintu mesin cuci dan box utk detergent nya terbuka, bahkan lebih bagus kalau memang dibuka terus ketika tidak digunakan agar udara bisa keluar masuk. Semoga membantu
Pak Martin for me the top loading washing machine is much useful, because if u forgot something just open the lit and put them in without having to wait for the autolock disengage like the front loading does and also the top loading does safe your back without having to bend down 😁
I agree. do you live in the states?
I live in Surabaya Pak Martin.
Simon Mario Gondowidjojo - Minor issue vs capacity of machines.
Top loader is my fav,, 😎😎😎, and tux too..😆
Mrs. Martin saya mau tanya. Selama di indonesia, apakah pernah mencuci manual, (mencuci dgn tangan di sikat yg mayoritas di lakukan orang indonesia). Sukses selalu. Terima kasih. Dari penggemar nya. Riyan , jakarta
This is awesome, I honestly didn't think that the kwts test would be even! Now think about this! Look up the turn over rate on front loaders, vs top loaders! I would keep that top loader that you have now and sale the front loader. One thing I found out today, front loaders, when you think they are messing up... there done. Your looking at replacing the drum, the shaft , the shaft seal, both bearings, and the drum motor. Look all those parts up, and you could get it rebuilt with those parts yourself, but how long will that last before the noise reduction goes out, or the computer. I say that after watching appliance mechanics videos. Check it out your self. I say top load all the way!
I'm a huge fan of top loaders. The Maytag washer did the best job because it was very straightforward and took less time to wash one single load of clothing. Plus the amplitude was consistent as well. Way to go Maytag.
Easy to understand why a top loader in the style showed here is more energy efficient when spinning:
wet heavy clothes don´t have to be pushed up-hill all the time!
Although when heating the water, it migth need more energy, as the water volume is larger!
Amazing, toploader don’t smell and go faster
Wow that top loader looks like from the Johnson era.
yeah, and it still works!
Julie is so adorable omg
You can actually use a front loaded washing machine without a water connection. You just have to pour the water into it through the was detergent hatch, until it is about a quarter full to the glass in the door.
These family always have their kindness and good.But i don't really know how their really life are? They really are aware of what they doing i mean the washing machine how to use and how much energy current that they are using and they'll know whats better for them and what is not i mean whats bad.And maybe they will know some other things else or more about it.
Imagine how efficient new top load washing machine
Probably more.
@@MartinJohnsonOffGridLiving It takes an hour and a half for the cloths to get done in new ones.
@@terletsandstuff6142 wash cycle never took more than 45min for a big load on mine(bought new 2 years ago). But it's one with the good ol' agitator, maybe one with an impeller takes longer (they're also often regarded as the least effective at cleaning)
You can actually add water to front load washer also using detergent compartment as inlet. But still it's awkward and water spills everywhere if you make urgent. And nobody sits in front of front load for hours to keep adding water when it needs.
Cheap gallon white vinegar. Use the whole gallon on drum clean and hottest water. Got rid of my problem. I also baby@at machine and stop it b4 drain and restarted it aka double time.
What I want to know is which one used more water?
The main advantage of the top loader in this video is it's an old Maytag, it will last forever. Front loaders, like most modern machines aren't very reliable, too many electronics to fail. Stick with the very reliable old Maytag.
Did the top loader spin the clothes?
If you wash in cold water the top loader uses less electricity. If you use solar hot water again the top loader should not need to use more power. Front loaders need to wash longer to achieve the same level of clean as does a top loader. The motors used in both machines require approximately the same amount of power to generate the mechanical wash action. The main difference in power consumption has to do with heating the water. A top loader filled to the max requires more hot or warm water, whereas the front loader uses less which it either heats itself or draws from the water heater. However, if the power comes from renewable sources it doesn’t really make any difference. Most of the energy efficiency arguments are based on power consumption that is fed using non-renewables.
I like a washer with an agitator. The new ones don’t get your clothes clean,, plus they stink.
Old handmedown will clean better and not stink. After 2 years I got a top loader. Just saying.
I have to admit I’ve never totally understood the top load thing, they don’t wash or rinse well, they use so much more water than front loaders, front loaders are also more gentle and generally spin better, If you had heaters in your front loaders over there you wouldn’t get so much smell, and don’t be lazy you sometimes have to clean the door seal on a front loader, and are you allergic to bending down to the washing machine, and ask yourself why hospital laundry’s always use front load machines or textile factories, and I can’t believe you said it’s about how much electricity it uses not how clean your clothes are
Well we are moving off grid and every watt counts. That is why we were testing the electricity used.
I actually find its the opposite, front loader did a poor job at washing my work clothes. I guess the fact that front loaders barely soak clothes in water and the fact that it's more gentle on the clothes seems to make it less effective at cleaning (best way to remove a stain always been to rub affected areas together)
@@HCkev Did you use a frontloader what is heating the water?
@@lienbijs1205 I wash pretty much everything with cold water, in my opinion, if we're caring about energy efficiency, not using hot water should be the first step. To be honest, I don't know if the front loader was using hot water straight from the hot water line or not, it was already there as a part of a rental property
I would rather have the Maytag Top Loading washer.
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My only comment is that you don’t have energy consumption measurements for if the top loader actually did the filling of the machine
That Maytag top loader will out perform any front load washer made today, and will provide many years of trouble free service, and don’t listen to all of the energy garbage people say about those old school top loaders and it’s just a sales pitch to convince you to buy a new washer you don’t need.
Sean A806 Lol no it won’t, samsung front loader can beat it
zoinks can beat in terms of wash time since it’s only 30 minutes 😉
Yeah
What brand and type of front loader did you test
Why does it smell?? I have severe asthma and one of my triggers is mold. that's a deal breaker for me. I just wanted a front loader so that i can wash large blankets and comforters at home instead of hauling them to laundromat. I have a rescue dog who sheds terribly and need to wash bedding often (another trigger for me are dogs. but can't help myself, love dogs) Tuxedo is adorable!!!!
I think you could cut down on the mold if you run it through the recommend clinging cycle often and leave to door open so it can dry out between uses.
Just use some baking soda in your front loader and you never have a mold smell.
@@MartinJohnsonOffGridLiving Thank you for your reply, I never got notified and didnt see it til now.. We bought the front loader and after each load we keep the door open and we haven't had a mold smell.
@@livingthedream8539 Thank you.
My frontloader can handle 9 kg and has a big door. Friends and family bring their comforters here to get washed.
Dont leave the friking door closed!!!!!!!.
I just dont get how hard it is to understand that if you have a front load washer with a rubber gasket witsh means that is water tight. Its going to hold moisture inside and its going to stink. Never!!!! Had a problem with my washing machine smelling. Leave the door Open!!!
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It is not a good comparison and would not prove much since the Maytag is not as new a machine vs a front loader which seems much newer. This is like comparing a cathode tube tv to a led tv for power consumption. Or an old Ford T1 car manufactured in 1930's compared to the speeds of some new car today for gas consumption etc. Although your tests may show how technology has enhanced in our lives from our past and improvement of power use. To measure the pro and cons need to be considered on even basis and within some reasonable relative time frames in order to be compared for proper acknowledgement assessment.
Well considering the old washer never been designed with efficiency in mind, since they're even for a cycle, I'd assume a modern top loader to get better results and beat the front loader hands down.
That old machine will last longer and cleans better
TOP LOADER IS BEST! 🏆🇺🇸
electricity isn't the main selling point of front load. the whole point is cleaning with a LOT less water. "off grid" living is maximizing resources and top load is a braindead move when they use a ton more water
the top loading one looks really old.. :D
it is. Maybe 15 years old.
@@MartinJohnsonOffGridLiving From The early 90s by the look of it. Found this exact model in another video and it said it was from 1990.
Pak martin vlognya pakai subtitle indonesia..
Saya pakai Bahasa Indonesia di video ini ua-cam.com/video/HF0dqX-NuFg/v-deo.html
Pasti kamu akan suka video itu :)
Martin Johnson Vlognya Pak martin udah aku tonton semuanya tapi belum ada yg terbaru hehehe...Kalau bisa vlognya yang ini Martin johnson ada sub indo nya:)salam buat bu julie, sarah,...
Sekarang2 ini kok vlog martin johson tidak ada subt indonesia ya.
What cleans better tho
My bet is on the top loader
Beware of top load washers if you plan on ever using an inverter with solar power. At the end of the spin cycle they can send electricity back into your inverter and fry it,
Thanks for the info. I’ll have to check into that. That is exactly what we were planning to do. 😬
That can go for any electric motor since electricity in turns into 3 phase electricity in the stator.
Not a worry with a traditional TL. When they're done power is cut to the motor, it doesn't use any fancy DC motors or anything.
Wash your machine on a hot wash with cleaner once or twice a year and leave the door open when not in use.. it won’t smell.. plus a top loader will use so much more water. Terrible things
the front load wins for time?????
Wow ,,,
its not fair comparison,
first you put water by bucket, so the top loader dont have work by that time, also this saves time as you dont have to wait for the tub to fillup, filling up the tub by hose takes a lot of time specially for top loaders.
front loader do the cycle all automatically.
i think its better to compare the same generation toploader and front loader with same setup(hose and all)
It was good for us. Top loader rocks!
yeah definitely, though I was only talking about the duration of wash. in reality they have almost the same duration, though front loader might be a little bit longer depending on the cycle.
we use toploaders since i was a kid, i bought a toploader when I got on a new house, the only complain that I got from it other than waterconsumption is when it is not working. 🙂 (it broke after less than 4yrs)
I also got a front loader and the amount of water that It consumes boggles my mind. but the cycle it has is either a good or a bad thing.
good that they are plenty, and also bad when you just need a few , but depending on what you need.
If you could also test the same scenario using an inverter front load, will it be the same?
I don't see what kind of work it's supposed to do when filling whether it's connected to water or not. It's just water pressure pushing the water into the thub, the washer doesn't have to do anything other than keeping the valve open. If anything, it probably took more time going back and forth with buckets than just letting the washer fill.
You will not like it after awhile because it don't do a very job of cleaning,we got one because we needed to stack ,
Pak caranya biar video judulnya mengikuti asal negara begitu bagaimana?
Thanks
New Front load washers and dryers any day over top load machines. You can do so much more laundry vs top load machine.
Do you mean the capacity of the drum in more or you can do more loads in a day?
Martin Johnson - You can do a lot more laundry per load. Especially bulky items.
Cool. I'll have to look into the capacity rating for each.
Newer top loader are more efficient plus your clothes get so much cleaner
Susan Krenz they will never be as efficient as a front loader. The tumbling action of a front load means very little water is needed for a through clean, you simply cannot replicate that action in a top load machine.
newer top loaders use 23-28 gals of water while front loader use 7-15 gals of water. the conventional one uses 40 gals of water
@@spencerwilton5831 front loader is like taking a shower where the dirty water goes back at the shower head to be spitted on you again instead of going down the drain. Top loader is like jumping while being dirty into a swimming pool. You tell me in which of the two scenarios you'll come out cleaner. Less water = higher dirt concentration.
Keep the old machine, it clean better
you’re dumb
MemezzyStudio actually he’s correct.
OTR Fishing and Adventuring lol no
OTR Adventures No, he isn't. Front loaders have been proven time and again to clean better while damaging clothes less.
@@spencerwilton5831 the fanboyism of both types is dumb in my opinion. Just choose whatever you personally like the best xD I like my top loader, it performs well and does its job.
Don't use the water safer one
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I dont like front loader washing machines top loader washing machines are better, hoover and simpson make the best make the best washing machines
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For me the best way to washing clothes is with your own hands, I mean bare hands. Very traditional and exhausting but It feels really satisfying and cleaner than using washing machine for me as Indonesian.
Do you do it at the river?
@@MartinJohnsonOffGridLiving No, I washed it in the bathroom because I live in Jakarta and the river is polluted. People who wash clothes on the river usually live in villages far from cities where the water is not polluted.
Young Boy that was a sarcastic response dear
No wonder that your frontloader is smelling, my miele front loader takes at least 2,5 hours. Our laundry is perfectly clean and no bad smells.
2.5 hours to wash clothes?
@@MartinJohnsonOffGridLiving Yes, modern frontloaders takes longer in order to save energy and still get the clothes clean.
Can you use a kilowatt meter on your washer and post results after 2.5 hours wash cycle to see if you actually save any electricity.
@@gabrielmartinez3171 I don't have that, sorry.
@@gabrielmartinez3171 By the way, My 9 yrs old Miele died 2 weeks ago. I was deeply disapointed in Miele because It shouldn't happen for a Miele after 9 yrs. I bought a Bosch now. Takes more than 3. 40 hours now! It is with Idos and an app.
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I sent you message please check it out Julie
I'll let her know.
@@MartinJohnsonOffGridLiving Thanks
Hai pak martin
what type of smell is funky smell ibu julie? hehe :D
smells like your armpit during a warm humid indonesian afternoon.
They are water hogs though!
Pak Martin senpai!
Get your power from a coal fired generation plant. Problem solved.
That would be cool but I don’t have one of my own. Hahaha
@@MartinJohnsonOffGridLiving sure you do... that's where the overwhelming majority of get their power
Craig Schray Only in third world countries like the USA. Here in the U.K., once the worlds largest coal producer, coal accounts for less than one percent of our electricity supply, and will drop to zero in a couple of years when the last remaining plant closes for good.
If you are running on batteries then the front load is the way to go. Spikes in draw heat up the inverter and higher usage in short burst are damaging. Inverters have a wattage that describe them drawing above that is a melting point for them. Actually the inverter is slowly being damaged but surpassing its wattage greatly reduces its life. Coming close to its wattage it technically ok from the manufacturers statement but actually have a wattage that you don't get that close to will give you superior life for your inverter. That wattage is its meltdown point watch out for spikes.
Thanks. We are planning on getting a 4000w inverter. Do you think that will be a problem?
@@MartinJohnsonOffGridLiving I saw your reply but was at a loss as what I would say. I don't want to mess anything up for you.
Its the most difficult thing to estimate correctly max use of electricity. Not how much do you use normally but when things go wrong what is the max you would try. Then there is at least two of you so the next question. What is the max use in a weird event that both of you will agree to.
My advice comes from my minor elecyrical background and an old rv sales guy. He took the time to remind me what components are involved in an inverter and the manufacturer statement. The wattage listing is the amount of heat it takes and still has a lifespan. If you place 75 watts on 300 watt inverter it should outlast manufacturers expectations. If you hit its recommended max regularly expect premature failure. The rating means the inverter is resistant to meltdown up to that wattage.
RV sales guy had one further piece of advice. All use on these inverters slowly melts the components. Replacing them will happen. Just oversize enough to get a good number of years.