Lamae Bal, the first vampire, may still be alive in the 4th era. The two vampire loggers that the Dragonborn is sent to kill by the Dark Brotherhood seem unaffected by the sun. The only stain of vampirism that doesn't get negatively effected by daylight is Noxiphilic Sanguivoria, the strain linked directly to Lamae Bal and her blood ritual. Unless that vampire loggers are centuries old, Lamae Bal is still giving out her "gift" in the 4th era.
Couldn't she have been destroyed after turning someone? There isn't any evidence that vampires have a set lifespan. So she could have been destroyed but the bloodline lived on.
@@jerrybierman9047 True, but I find it unlikely. It is doubtful that the loggers are very old (by vampiric standards) due to them being not particularly powerful or particularly cunning in their concealment (there is a reason they have a hit on them). It would also be quite the coincidence that Lamae Bal, one of the oldest beings alive and arguably one of the most powerful vampires to exist, got killed in the last few centuries after turning these two into vampires.
I mean the sunlight doesn't seem to do much more than weaker you so I don't see how these two loggers just have normal vampirism and don't care about the sunlight
Theory: There was never a permanent dragon priest named Konahrik. Instead it was a position similar to the dictators of Ancient Rome. When the dragon cult needed a single unified leader in times of war the highest dragon priests would come together to decide on who would become warlord, which would require a complete agreement and (symbolically) has them giving up their masks/power to the one chosen as warlord. This is why we never find a dragon priest in game named Konahrik and why all the other masks must be present to gain it.
Theory: The Ideal Masters don't feed on souls, they trade them to the Daedric Princes Serana mentions one theory about what the Ideal Masters do with souls -- they they use them as a form of currency. I think that's exactly what they do. If the Ideal Masters consume souls, why is the Soul Cairn so populated? Why keep a Daughter of Coldharbor captive and trick a dragon into being her warden? It's not about feeding, everything the Ideal Masters do is about bargaining and deceit. The Ideal Masters collect souls through users of black soul gems and bargaining with necromancers, then trade those souls to the only beings that seem to have some use for them: the Daedra (what daedra do with souls is a whole other thing). What exactly the Ideal Masters receive is up for debate, but perhaps, back when the Ideal Masters were still mortal mages, they were unable to create the Soul Cairn on their own, so they made a deal with daedra to create a plane of Oblivion for them. The souls the Ideal Masters trade to the daedra could basically be them paying rent for their slice of Oblivion. Or, maybe whomever they bargained with tricked them and instead of a one-time payment, the Ideal Masters got stuck with an unpayable debt. Perhaps that's also why vampires can freely enter the Soul Cairn: their souls are already property of Molag Bal, and his power overrules the Masters'.
Does that mean that Werewolves can also enter the soul realm, because they belong to Hircine? Or post-solstheim LDB, since he’s owned by hermaeus mora?
Fan theory: Jarl Elisif only acts a bit dim and incompetent because it's in her best interest to be underestimated. In truth she's a mastermind; constantly playing 3D chess to make sure that no matter who wins the Civil War she'll be fine and will even retain at least some power. And also just in general to get everyone around her to do what she wants. ETA: Just as an example; watch her behavior during the "Season Unending" peace negotiations. I believe that she uses reverse psychology to get General Tullius to hand over Markarth since it's a landlocked area, knowing that access to the ports in the Rift and the Pale are more important to the war effort than temporary access to the silver mines. Not only that, but now the Stormcloaks have to dedicate men and resources to deal with the Forsworn. So she gets Tullius to hand Markarth over and Ulfric to overvalue it in one fell swoop. Or watch the way she handles Falk Firebeard when he doesn't want to do anything about Wolfskull Cave. She believes that there may actually be danger; he doesnt, so she intentionally proposes a huge overreaction to get him to agree to the more tempered response she actually wants. Not only that, but she gets him to believe that it was his idea all along. And, of course, she was right about Wolfskull Cave; her thane was not. Of course, she could wield her power in a more direct way, but she knows that being young and pretty makes people take her less seriously, so her indirect approach just works so much better.
I know Ulfric keeps her as a powerless figurehead if he wins the war, but I hardly remember any signs of a master strategist or manipulator. Are there some examples that I'm not seeing of her cunning brilliance?
@@badluck5647 I posted an edit in which I go into more detail. As for being a powerless figurehead under Ulfric, I believe she'd be able to use her cunning and her feminine wiles to wield all sorts of at least soft power under him.
@@FreshwaterSquid77 It is a well thought out theory, but I'm still unconvinced. Maybe next time I play the game, I will pay more attention to Elisif's actions to see if the theory holds up.
Is she playing chess while others play checkers? Or is she just another puppet of the empire? To play devils advocate, her husband was reared by Stentor to rule over Skyrim, according to the Nightspawn herself. So it stands to reason that some of that vampires manipulative behavior would've rubbed off on High King Torygg and thus to his wife to an extent. That is, *if* she's using the general perception of her to her advantage. Makes you wish Bethesda would flesh out their characters more instead of "keeping it simple" for convenience. So much potential.
The Heart of Lorkhan didn't vanish from Tamriel during the defeat of Dagoth Ur, but simply moved to another location on the continent. The Heart can't disappear from Nirn because "This Heart is the heart of the world, for one was made to satisfy the other." Hermaeus Mora deceived Septimus Signus into finding the Oghma Infinium by telling Signus a partial truth about the Heart of Lorkhan still being on Tamriel. If anyone would know if the heart is still around, then it would be Hermaeus Mora. Lastly, why did Vivec abandon the Dunmer people? Could he be searching for the heart?
Yeah, maybe the Heart was jettisoned out of the Volcano at some point and may even be on another Continent for all we know... (Imagine it goes over to Akavir and the Thalmor and other parties gotta go over there and hunt it down😅)
I believe the Heart of Lorkhan is in Akavir, or Atmora, or Pyandonea, or Aldmeris(if it actually exists, which is debatable). It would have been found after the Heart disappeared from Vvardenfell. How many years there are between Morrowind and Skyrim, i don't know. But i think it would have been found by now if it is in Tamriel. As far as we know, there are not a lot of caves or dungeons out there that have not be reported on, written about et cetera. Maybe it is still in Tamriel and is in the caves of the hackdirt cave in Cyrodildo? Who knows?
I think the main thing that supports that idea is that Lorkhan is more like the Daedric Prince of Nirn, and his heart behaves like an extraordinarily powerful Daedric artifact in terms of directly tapping into their power and being spiritually and mythically inseparable from their source. All of the daedric artifacts apparate wherever they're needed or the prince wants something done directly, and dissappear when relied upon too much. Even Magnus' staff follows the rule, and he's not even of Oblivion. The Heart of Lorkhan was nothing if not overused, and now there all people that 1)need it more, and 2) are more integral to the primary conflicts of the day. Vvardenfel was wonderfully central for a long time, and its place there helped the first people to break off from the elf Nazis to ascend culturally and have a position on high because of their support of Lorkhans plan. Now, I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up somewhere in Hammerfell, the heart of conflict in the last thirty years, and closer to the Adamantine Tower where it was removed in the first place, and likely the last to fall if the Thalmor's plot is to control and fell the towers.
Yeah the heart is likely gone forever in gameplay at least. But its supposedly still somewhere hidden, and its not likely to be found as it could be anywhere, even just halfway the planet's center in pure bedrock without any tunnels or underground passages even close to it. As for Vivec, I feel like he just rationalized that it all no longer mattered. Its all part of the dream. Lives are small embers that glow brightly for just a moment before turning to ash, in the grand scheme of things. Those souls will move on, and eventually in the next Kalpa be reborn anew. Or, he realized that the Tribunal was stunting the growth of the Dunmer people by constantly guarding over them. The world of Nirn is a violent arena where one grows and survives. But if 3 omnipotent godlings solve all problems for those people, then there is no growth, no improvement. Only stasis and slow decay. To "save" the Dunmer, they have to be cast naked and ignorant into the dangerous arena, just like any other race.
@@jefthereaper I mean, sure, he could have just wanted his people to flourish in a harsh world, but he could have also set Baar Dau gently in the sea before fucking off.
The librarian in the college is actually a master in chronomancy (time magic) and cast a freeze time spell on the library, preventing the books from decaying. So long as he remains in the library he also won't age and that is why he never leaves.
Why not do an entire episode on the septim Dynasty? I understand you may have covered or talked about certain individuals in certain episodes, but why not do an entire episode on the entire bloodline at the center of TES and the namesake of its currency? Love the great work guys!
Theory: The Orsimer were the Lefthanded Elves. First of all, Trinimac was left-handed and so is Malacath (Source: Trinimac definitively in ESO, Malacath’s Daggerfall appearance and statue in ESO.) Left-handedness is often associated with being the “other” throughout history and it was seen as a flaw. The Lefthanded Elves were “monsters” according to Vivec, who supposedly played a part in creating them in Sermon Seventeen. “Vivec chose a king for a wife and made another race of monsters” so in other words, Vivec impaled someone in the back(side) and made a race of monsters. Guess who did stab a king in a back and create a race of monsters? Mephala. There’s even more evidence: the Orcs and orichalcum are clearly interlinked. They smith from this metal, they wear it in a distinctive feudal Japanese style (less so in Skyrim admittedly) and its bloody green. Its pretty clear the two are linked, thematically and historically. The Orichalc Tower was in Yokuda before a great tragedy befell it and the Lefthanded elves. According to legend, not a single lefthanded elf made it to Tamriel. So not one Lefthanded elf fled? I find it unlikely, but if so… where are they? If seems to make sense that the Orcs fled to Hammerfell only to be destroyed once again by the Ra Gada. The reason why Orcs don’t have a homeland is because they’ve already lost it. It sank with their tower.
We also have the strange bit of text in the book "Redguards, thier History and Heroes", that states that Orcs were part of Hiras army. Also Diagna, the god that gave the Redguards orichalc weapons to fight the Left-Handed Elves, is known as the God of the Sideways Blade but one of Malacath's titles is also the God that Speaks Sideways. Though I am not a 100% convinced that the Orcs of Yokuda are the same as the Orcs of Tamriel or were actually the Lefthanded Elves since it kind of contradicts Trinimac's transformation and also when the Redguards landed in Hammerfell, they were especially violent against the Altmer clans living thier due to the elves reminding them of the Left Handed Elves. But thier are definitely a lot of weird connections with Malacath, Diagna Orcs, and Yokuda.
I actually have a going theory that Urag is Hermaeus Mora. He's been around since the 2nd era at the College, refers to his library as his own Plane of Oblivion, he directs you to finding Septimus Signus (you know, the main quest that has a daedric side quest that you're forced into starting) and by extension the Elder Scroll, actively helping your progression as Dragonborn. Not to mention Mora's character model is an Orc. Playing through the main quest and the Dragonborn DLC forces interaction with Urag and Mora. If you finished his first quest, then by the end of Dragonborn, you'll have done two quests for Mora. At the very least, Urag is a follower who steered you towards Mora so you could replace Miraak. M'aiq isn't the only God among us.
I will miss the weekly addresses and podcast, but I also completely get it in terms of production times. Hopefully it helps you have more time for general editing, the latest videos have been noticeably higher in quality, after all.
Hot Take: The Elven gods are just jealous of Lorkhan for being popular with women. According to Nordic myth, Shor's has Kyne as a wife and Mara as a concubine. According to the Khajiit myth, Azurah and Lorkhaj were also very close as Lorkhaj died in Azurah's embrace. According to Dumner myth, Boethiah (along with Mephala) attacked and corrupted Trinimac for bad mouthing Lorkhan. Meanwhile, Auri-El and Trinimac remained unmarried and unloved.
I thought there's a myth of Hircine wearing the deer skull because it was the most beautiful creature, or something, in Y'ffre's forest. This was done because Hircine wanted the love of Nirn, but Y'ffre was her lover instead.
@@jeffgoode9865 It depends if you believe the bosmer or khajiit myths. Those races' narratives are as conflicting as altmer myths vs nord myths. The bosmer say Y'ffre was Nirni's lover, while the khajiit say Y'ffre was Nirni's murder.
I said it before and I will say it again... The high elves are very very high elves. Building Nirn was not so bad. Many did lose power however if all had contributed to the creation then they would have remained relatively equal. Those that backed out thought it a trick to make them weak. Those that gave nothing remained at full power. Poor Lorkhan died but even in death his heart had the last laugh.
Another point for the “talos mantled lorkhan” theory: Talos live just as lorkhan did, fighting elves and dying in battle to save man. All the shezzarines die, just as lorkhan does to create the world, and they leave behind some powerful item or device that holds huge power. Lorkhan leaves behind the heart of lorkhan, Talos leaves the Numidian/mantella (mantella has a very interesting name too… just a thought) and Pelinal Whitestrake leaves behind the amulet of kings. My point is that lorkhan continues to be mantled over and over again and every one of these mantlers die and leave behind an essence of lorkhan to keep the world alive
Scott is the adoring fan because I feel he gets the most passionate, Drew is M’aiq the Liar because he plays the contrarian/says things just to mess with people, and Michael is Sheogorath(?)
Theory: Blackreach extends far beyond Skyrim into Morrowind and Hammerfell and all the lands the Dwemer lived. That's why the Dwemer were able to spread over such a wide area without influencing Tamrielic history. They constructed their cities in underground and built them up to the surface. This would include the Dwemer ruins in the Wrothgar Mountains and might explain why Gortwog gro-Nagorm King of Orsinium in the 3rd Era held the title Warlord of the Subterranean Realms (hmm another Orc-Dwemer connection?)
While it is possible that the Dwemer moved through a continent wide cavern system, it doesn't appear like the unique Blackreach ecosystem goes beyond subterranean Skyrim and the Reach. If the ecosystem was more extensive, then you would see the unique plantlife in dwemer ruins in Hammerfell, High Rock, and Morrowind.
Parthurnax is the stone of the tower of the throat of the world, and by being forced to kill him the Dovahkiin canonically furthered the goals of the Thalmor. Parthurnax sits at the apex of the mountain, and disseminates power from its summit in the form of knowledge of the thuum and control of the weather. To me this seems much more plausible than the mainstream idea that the stone is a magical cave, which never appeared in game.
The Dovahkiin is forced to kill Paarthurnax? I've never done that, and he has extra dialogue after you defeat Alduin and return from Sovngarde, so I think it's a choice left to the player. My headcanon is that the Time Wound is the stone of Snow-Throat. Regarding Thalmor tower theory, you could say that the Thalmor simply failed to break the stone of Snow-Throat. Alternatively, defeating Alduin fixed the damage created by sending him through time, thus sealing the Time Wound. Or perhaps simply using the Elder Scroll to learn Dragonrend sealed the Wound; I don't remember if it's even possible to look at the past again.
Kamal were once Snow Elves, the phrase that some snow elves may have survive else where outside the help of the dwemer during their calamity of nords. My theory is that some snow elves may have left the main continent to insure their survival and may have headed to Akavir. First point, The Kamal landed on Skyrim on 2E 572 instead of Morrowind and more important they attacked Windhelm one of the ancient city that may been around during the snow elves exist on Skyrim. Second point, the Snow Prince's spear may have been the Ordained Receptacle because of the strange amount of detail in lore about a random weapon and the way it keeps come up in the other games. Third point, The snow elves are declared dead and gone by 1E143-221 but the majority of them were gone in the Merthic Era 800-1000. All points are could lead to a large mirgant shift for the snow elves during this period, they could of got to Akavir and interact with some ice based race ( race that deal with ice, magic or genetic) that help them assimilate to culture or environment. The same as in real world history as Vikings mirganting into Russia and their interactions with the Slav people
Maybe the elves that can't directly be linked to Summerset (Dwemer, Falmer, and Ayleids) came from Akavir in the early Merethic era. The Kamal could be from the same family tree as the Falmer.
Delphine is a bloodthirsty twit. Refusing to have any sort of nuance, I really hate her so much for causing me to have a forever unfinished quest. Paarthunax was essential in saving the world? He’s gotta die, he’s an evil dragon. I really could rant about Delphine for a while, even about her stupid walk
I love when FudgeMuppet makes content. I miss when Scott, Michael, and Drew did their weekly or bi-weekly podcasts. One of my favorite channels to watch ❤
Regarding Urag gro-Shub's lifespan and the use of magic: Arch-Mage Aren will tell the play in some spare dialogue when you get near him, "What you learn here will last you a lifetime. Several, if you're talented." I imagine the College of Winterhold's librarian, with all that arcane knowledge at his disposal, would be quite talented indeed.
It’s not just one orc Ullceta groKogg is also a pretty old orc. She was in Elder a Scrolls Online and still managed to give an interview with Hannibal Traven. The good orc necromancer in ESO is lives long enough to do an interview for The Black Arts on trial. So there is your second example.
Her Lifespan is extended through Psijic Magic: "Something like three hundred and fifty years. Give or take a decade. Impressive, right? Truth is, long life comes with the robes. The Psijics don't think Orcs like us can learn much of anything in the lifetime Malacath gives us." Maybe orcs live longer than men but not other mer.
It's too bad that Scott can't see past the community's Sheogorath memes. Sheogorath is terrifying, even in full on cheese mode, because he doesn't need Dark Anchors or Oblivion gates to make life hell on Nirn; in fact, all he really needs is your mind. It's possible that many of the conflicting accounts of Tamrielic history were intentionally muddied by Sheogorath-touched scribes in order to better obfuscate the methods necessary to achieve greater power. Perhaps achieving CHIM is less about asserting your ego and more a matter of prevailing against the madness that comes for you when you attempt to plumb the infinite?
I think part of that is because of modern Bethesda's portrayal of the character. Bethesda paints him as that crazy uncle that says/does random things at the party and everyone gets a laugh out of it. Originally uncle Sheo was supposed to be more of a Hannibal type of character, a criminally insane god with methods to his madness. At least according to Zaric Zhakhron who claims to have spoken to the mad prince's original creator. That can be difficult to pull off though, and its probably the reason Bethesda went with the crazy uncle portrayal we've come to know and love. Makes you wonder how his quest in Skyrim could've turned out had they took that approach? What purpose would it serve to make Palagious the Mad "so boringly sane" as he puts it? Perhaps he wants to bring just enough sanity to his consciousness so his ghost can freely haunt the halls of the Blue palace. Perhaps there's someone within Solitudes court that Sheogorath wants within his realm, maybe a potential replacement for Haskil. Using the ghost of Palagious to specifically drive them insane. You would be able to see this madness on display throughout the city. Not just something like him dancing naked on the streets either. No, I mean the terrifying insanity on the level of Emperor Palagious himself. Tormenting the people of Solitude with the misuse of their political influence. Maybe the quest ends with this character eventually being executed publicly, all the citizens breathe a sigh of relief after the torment they had to endure at this characters insanity. Insanity which was sparked, in part by the Dragonborns aid of the mad god. Forgive the spelling and naming errors, didn't have time to look through and proofread/research names of characters.
I feel like with Urag the explanation is most likely the boring answer of life extending magic because as Savos Aren comments when you first get to the college "the knowledge you aquire here will last you a life time, multiple if you're talented" implying skilled mages (no matter what race) living for multiple life times isn't all that uncommon I personally think this is actually a little bit of the funnier answer when you look at his possible motivations for extending his life. Urag is extremely proud of the collection he has amassed and like the original theory mentioned with his comment on how many books would have been burned if he didn't take his job seriously and his other dialogue that has him implying he's the only person who will keep the arcanaenum in prestine condition it makes me believe THAT is his motivation for extending his life to the point he has (if we are to believe the comment about the books and the 3rd Era to not be an exaggeration implying he is indeed over 600 years old) To me that is kinda hilarious and really highlights how dedicated he is to his job
Theory: the reason we don't know where the Nedes, Dwemer, and Falmer come from is because they're left over from a previous Kalpa. They might have originally came to Tamriel from Lyg-Atmora and Lyg-Summerset, or, maybe Aldmeris-Atmora and Aldmeris-Summerset
Listening to the Kalpas podcast I had the theory that the hero of kavatch played a pivotal role in the transition to the next kalpar. The transition of kalpas is mundane to mythic and back. Well what is more if a transition than freeing the god of order to allow more mundane. I believe oblivion is the halfway point in between kalpas as we switch from madness to order aka mythical to mundane.
Talking about Ma'iq the Liar is like beating an undead horse. It's already been beaten to death, then resurrected, and now it's being beaten again. I want to know what this horse could possibly have done to offend someone so badly as to have to be brought back again. And again. And again.
Still better than the Dwemer becoming something else theories: "They are orcs" "They are the Hist" "They are automatons" "They are daedra" "They are Ma'iq the Liar?" "They are blaw, blaw, blaw"
Cool Idea: You should be able to use "sunlight" the same way we use soul gems. Soul gems trap souls to be used as power for enchantments/magic. Sunlight is supposed to be the energy or light of aetherious where Magnus and the Magnagi reside. Soul gems seem a bit more synister as you are trapping the souls of living creatures, this seems to go against Meridia's whole anti-falselife thing (to a degree). Ps. : @29:50 They use those terms because they are the architects of the dream world being had by the Godhead.
So I've been thinking a lot about "The Butcher" in Windhelm, and about potential victims. Do you think it's possible that Aventus' mother was a victim of the butcher, and what do you make of the corpses found underneath the floorboards of the Aretino residence? Maybe Calixto hid bodies there once it became vacant, then Aventus came back, enabling him to get what he needs for the Black Sacrament.
We don’t really know how old Orcs can get, but we do encounter an “old orc” who is about 40, and we get the picture that Orcs seek death pretty early before they start showing signs of age
Like the new background guys. Also as far as the bi-weekly uploads we don’t mind at all. I’m surprised that you guys have been able to do it so well every week. Much love from New York tho, keep up the good content
100% on the Talos as an aspect of Lorkhan that remantles his former divinity theory. It's basically the individuation process of Jungian psychology whereby a part of your ego (that was born from the Original Self), takes the role of the 'Hero' to rediscover and merge the Original Self with the wisdom they have learnt through life, creating the True Self.
93, This was my thought process too. Thelema. While Talos may be an ascended aspect of Lorkhan, I still believe that being the ascended aspect is becoming his former self, Lorkhan but through his own means. The merging of the True Will and the mortal will. 93 93/93
@@jaycrownshaw3902 Ibid., the depiction of Talos slaying a snake and Lorkhan's association with Satakal also implies the destruction of a darker aspect of the self bonded to the ego in order to ascend - which in Akatosh's case (one's sense of time) manifests as Alduin.
@@eyeofgnosis558 I would also add on to this by saying that CHIM, the left handed path overwrites being a shezzarine as its the ultimate realization of the Self and places Talos in the unique position of being able to mantle his higher self and become his higher self in that way.
I was thinking while you guys were discussing Urag gro-Shub’s longevity that there may be another possible explanation: what if he’s not fully Orsimer, but maybe he’s like half Altmer or Dunmer? Maybe the orcish traits are more visible, but there are traits from another race (like longevity) that he could have inherited as well?
I think the Hero of Kvatch mantling pelinal theory makes sense if you look at the broad brush strokes of both heroes. They are both the champion of a future emperor with almost superhuman capabilities who assisted Cyrodil in a role of crisis, HoK solos several oblivion gates and Pelinal single-handedly fought and killed scores of Ayleids and their kings. Then you have the obvious parallel with the Knights of the nine quest line. And finally the madness of pelinal is parallel with the HoK traveling into the shivering isles. Maybe “mantle” is a bad word here since he don’t literally become pelinal (walk like them until they walk like you) but there are big parallels between the two characters imo.
I really feel like you guys are my friends and i get really excited for all of your guy's content amd feeling that we can all connect through our love of Elderscrolls. Ill be here when the fated day of the 100th episode arrives!
Please, never stop making these podcasts and bringing content to your channel. I love these videos and they're filling a sour gap left by the wait for The Elder Scrolls 6.
As to the point about Urag living for centuries: The Lore of the Orsimer states that they were cursed to have lifespans similar to humans, instead of their previous merethic lifespans. It doesn't state the exact form this takes; it doesn't explicitly say that they would die of natural causes. In Skyrim we meet the "Lone Orc" character, who claims to be an old orc who is "past his usefulness" and wants a good death. Orcs live as long as other elves if they aren't killed, their culture dictates that they have to die at around sixty or so and so they go out into the woods and get themselves killed. Voila, problem solved. Thank me on the podcast.
Ok give some evidence.. no ok i will, the moarmer are ledgendary sailors who where banished from aldmeris and adapted to the nothingness of the sea, and yet they cannot find their home, many people blame this on the *mists* that may be the aftermath of the last kalpa after the skinking or destruction of the last world. Not only this but elves massmigrated to a new world where they are extremely out of place compared to every other race that may or may not be there such as nedes an ancient race of humans thought to be there before elves, this combined with the highly adaptive blood of mer would make it likely for them to survive the end and start of a kalpa and go on and adapt to the new world. Oh and supports the drastically different names for gods but that could just be the presentation that the gods took upon themselves such as what happened with khajits. I really hope this theory is picked in the next podcast of this type because its a very intresting topic but i would like to point out that if it was a previous kalpa it would also be likely for it to be the main continent of the last kalpa but still very good theory and very intresting.
@@auru1325 I won't say aldmeris was real, but I will say if you walk in a forest without a trail or clear landmarks, you will walk in circles bc one foot steps heavier than the other. Is it possible that aldmeris is just beyond reach? Also if the sloads can sink their island, could psijic level elves also do that in aldmeris?
@@auru1325 honestly I was thinking of something slightly adjacent. What if Aldmeris was a Kalpa where the elves were dominant, and Auriel was the Shor equivalent, (not necessarily dead, betrayed, punished, whatever, but was the world anchor, and Padomaic.) The Elves from that Kalpa, and the men from that Kalpa are inherently different to the men and elves from the "Tamriel/Nirn" Kalpa, and after the Kalpa ended, and the Dawn Age Reset happened, some of them remained in Tamriel as an echo, as opposed to "respawning" in Summerset and Atmora. That's how we get the Dwemer and Nedes, and others, who were just kind of already in Tamriel.
I want to say an obscure book somewhere in the franchise had said something along those lines, that Aldmeris was just a collection of origin stories for the merfolk (and to a lesser extent, Atmora for the humans)
Theory left handed elves had a ocean faring empire not a desert one. It's said that it was four times bigger then the septum from in maps I've seen there's only islands but on ocean empire could easily be four times bigger then any landmass. I've heard that they had sand magic and were masters of desert warfare this could be a misunderstanding like cyrodiil being a jungle. oceans are classified as deserts because of precipitation levels and pulled sand from underwater to make new land would be a useful skill. Redguards or the ra gada were said to have had ships better then any on tamriel at the time of their landing why would a sand desert people know how to sail on water or were they a people living in sand ships sailing over the dunes
If there is anything to ponder about the left handed elves, it's the facts of the matter bc didn't the yokudans Hate them? So history being written by the victor could be propaganda. Kinda how left handed people used to be considered evil bc of religious views. The word sinister means left handed, but it's used as a synonym for evil
The new aesthetic gives the lads a much more godly appearance, which fits quite nicely in my opinion. I still think it would be dope to give these fellas (and imperial knowledge, lady scrolls, etc.) console commands in ESO, essentially giving them godhood in game. There is no LORE BASED immersion (for me) in ESO, but the SCODREMI (like ALMSIVI) flying around Elsweyr would make the game feel more immersive in the sense of playing alongside the community
Seville "the vampire" court wizard is imo like Brendan Fraser's wife in the mummy movies. I believe she's the reincarnation off the wolf queen meant to be possessed and inhabited by the wolf queen assuming you didn't disrupt the ritual process of resurrecting her.
About mantling and the idea that worship is what gives power to the aedra/daedra. Mantling occurs when a human becomes more similar to the god's image in the believers' heads than the god him/herself and the "worship energy" goes to the mantler instead of the previous incarnation of the god. This also means that to resist mantling, gods have to change themselves to be like what their worshippers believe, which explains how various gods change depending on the time period and who worships them.
Akatosh is essentially one big retcon across all of tamrielic history. He's the combination of two completely disparate gods in Auriel and Alduin (only alike in that they are both the enemies of Shor/Shezzar/Lorkhan), and although Oblivion and Skyrim definitely prove he exists now, he only came into existence with the Alessian dragon break. But that also means there were dragonborn *before* Akatosh came to exist.
Personally, I think mantling can create new aspects of a god that can coexist but doesn't actually replace them. Those aspects can develop into individuals some may not recognize as a single being.
I feel like the writers of elderscrolls modeled the story after an occult esoteric perspective of our actual history. Which could inspire us fans to give consideration to anything that could contest mainstream academia. Thats awesome man. 🤔😄
Since Atmoria went from a forested continent to a frozen continent, and Skyrim once had “distant green summers” and seems colder than it used to, perhaps global cooling is going on, and that’s why Cyrodiil went from having jungles to having temperate plains and forests.
On Urags age, literally another Mages line in the College goes "What you learn here will last you a lifetime. Several if you are talented." He definitely is just a talented mage
I have a theory that I think is worth reading and talking about further, I think that the neravarene is actually a shezarene so that means so was neravar , and that's why we were able to destroy the heart of lorkan because we were lorkan kind of. So I think that lorkan kind of killed himself so the gods wouldn't try to anymore, and is hiding with azura, also since technically the neravarene is still alive the heart of lorkan is too.
I do have a question that maybe could be new video, Is their any lore on Thaddeus cosmo, you meet him in nchuthnkarst dungeon in eso, he’s like a time traveller dude and you help him fix a Dwemer machine that keeps teleporting enemies through time
I'm 90% sure Thaddeus will show up in a future chapter where according to his view of time, he has yet to meet the vestige. Also, like collectors and zoos, the time distortion seems like a cheap way to reuse old enemy assets in places where they don't belong.
One theory of mine is that Meridia is from a previous Kalpa. I think she was a magna ge in a previous cycle, so that fact is still technically true, but I think she was cast out for consorting with illicit spectra (Molag Bal, if I had to guess) and that resulted in her not being a magna ge in this cycle, but rather, a daedric prince by the more typical definition. (That being, not taking part in creation)
Miraak or Herma Mora are the ones sending the " Letters from a Friend", Miraak, because he wants you to be a proper challenge to him and Mora because he wants you to become the second most powerful being in his service.
I think the letters come from Hadvar or Ralof they both go missing after Riverwood until several missions into the civil war quest arch. Either one could researching the locations of word walls
I’ve personally subscribed to the idea that it’s just a guard ( you know, the people adventuring before we showed up). Once the rumors pass along, they write a letter to you about all sorts of weird places that only someone driven to adventure would have found.
its just a theory but i think all of creation club mods are canon and therefore jyggalag is building his power and will return as a deadric lord in the next es game
to explain a little with the saints and seducers mod you get to see a mad wizard try to bring the isles to tamriel and is almost successful and since sheogorath and jyggalag are separate deadra again i believe jyggalag would be trying to establish his power again but the other deadra lords are searching for him so he has to be careful and that's why we don't see him in skyrim
This reminds me of a very lengthy theory that I have! To put it short, The Dwemer have been stuck in another dimension/time displaced this whole time! Whatever is left of Jyggalag has been roaming around the Waters of Oblivion since the ending of the Shivering Isles DLC. Both Jyggalag AND the Dwemer somehow find one another. In exchange for "helping" the Dwemer get back to Mundus, one, to take back what they once had, they build Jyggalag a new body, out of Aetherium, or a combo of that and Dwemer metal. I think the REAL plot of Elder Scrolls 6 will be The Greymarch starting in Tamriel and the return of the Dwemer! They have the technology to pull it off, and Jyggalag has the power and knowledge to complete it! EVERYONE will have to put aside their petty bs, and unite to try to save the entire Elder Scrolls universe, because we all know he will NOT stop until EVERYTHING is conquered by Order! The Dwemer think they are getting the god they always wanted, that is reason and logic personified! They can NEVER be more wrong! Jyggalag will turn pretty much the entire Dwemer race into Knights and Priests of Order! Aetherius will be in deep s%#@! Some of the Divines will be turned or killed out right, while the strongest have to run for what life they have left, for the time being! The Great Obolisk may pop up in the Isle of Arteaum! They will have to send off the Eye of Magnus somewhere, so he won't get a hold of it! ALL the mortal people of Mundus and the Daedric Princes must come together to fight the most bat-s%#@ war EVER! They may visit Dryus, because other than Sheogorath himself, no one else knows the horror Jyggalag can really cause! The people of Mundus thought the Oblivion Crisis was bad, that will be NOTHING compared to the full-scale destruction of potentially all of creation! Like I said, this is just a short part of my theory! IF I'm right, this will be the most INSANE Elder Scrolls game yet!
The first theory makes sense considering Oblivion I'm pretty sure mentions that an orc of a certain age is sent out to battle to die an honorable death
That’s really only with the tribalistic/traditional orcs though, but what about the more cosmopolitan orcs? Wouldn’t their long lifespan be common in a society like the Empire?
[Molag Bal psychological mantling] Molag Bal is not the way he is because he was hurt in the past, as sugested in a previous podcast. Rather, a mortals past can metaphysicly resonate with Molag Bal, and thus they inherit more of his sphere.
Theory: Drew is a member of the Anglo Vampyrum, masquerading as an Aussie to pull the strings of the podcast. As an Anglo Vampire his powers are being able to blind prey with the reflectiveness of his pasty skin, control the minds of the masses into forming orderly queues, and can transform any base metal into a perfectly brewed cup of English Breakfast Tea.
Really digging the new visual style of the set up, been watching these since day one. Keep up with amazing content as I'm sure you will. Looking forward to more stuff, take it easy guys!
The Tribunal + Dagoth Ur are anticipations of the house of troubles instead of the Good Daedra. The Tribunal rose up against their king and killed him (Mehrunes), establishing themselves as the dominant race in Morrowind (Molag Bal), and acquiring an incredible amount of strength (Malacath). Dagoth Ur himself went mad (Sheogorath), as did Almalexia. Almalexia also desired to remain in her dominant position, Sotha Sil wanted to create a new order with the clockwork city but he didn’t care about being the ruler of it or was at the very least prepared for it to work without him, and Vivec allegedly left to seek the Heart and maintain his power.
Hot Take: Information from Akavir is taken too literally. > Tsaesci aren't any more "snake people" than the sea elves who use snake magic. They are a race of men who assimilated, "ate", all other human races on Akavir. > The Kamal aren't literally frozen solid and attack when they "thaw out". They only attack the island nation of Tang Mo during warmer months when there isn't ice in their cold water ports. > Tosh Raka of the Ka Po' Tun isn't literally a dragon, but instead he has become Dragonborn.
Not a lore theory but elder scrolls related. I remember hearing some time back that they were waiting for technology to advance to start development on TES6, with what I'm currently hearing about Japan developing half- dive systems, it's my belief that as soon as full- dive is available for game development or otherwise a an oculus replacement, we will soon see the release of Skyrim as a sort of beta test to see how the system is liked with an already popular game, followed by TES6 a few years later
I just wanted to say. In the last 2 weeks your guy’s thumbnails have been SO GOOD. If that’s any indication towards how your content is going to go, ill be glad to wait another week for podcasts.
Going to miss the weekly podcasts, but will still love the bi-weekly episodes. I hope you guys talk about more theories in the future, whether in a podcast or video, here is mine if you do more. I hope you guys look at it, I think it’s interesting. “The reason the Nords no longer follow the old gods is because they are similar to the Native Americans here in the United States. Over time, large parts of their culture was lost due to pressure from white settlers. Over time, those who remembered the old traditions died off, unable to continue the oral traditions. In this way, the Nords slowly lost their old culture and traditions, as it was largely oral. By the time of Skyrim, the Nords we see have little of their old culture, merely the reverence for the history of the Companions, swears in Shor’s name, and Soverngarde. All lost culture was due to Imperial pressure, war against elves, leading to hatred of magic as elves are inherently magical, and simply time over thousands of years.”
Let’s be honest, guys, the Daedric Lord of Cringe would be Clavicus Vile. Not because he is cringe, but because he’s the only one who would know what cringe is, and he would punish those who would dare commit it. Even, possibly, other daedric lords.
Yeah just gonna repost this until it get's mentioned. The lore implies that some of the aedra are parental figures for some of the others. I believe that their spheres of influence intentionally crossover to back this up. For example; Akatosh who represents time is the father of Arkay, as the cycle of life to death takes time, and his mother is Mara, as love in time creates new life. Mara is also mother to Stendar, who is full of mercy, but being the apologist of man, his father is Shezzar (which is why mara is associated with both akatosh and shor) who is the forefather of man. Shezzar is also father to Zenithar (notice his sons carry his namesake) as people are required for crafting and mercantile, just like material components, provided by Kynareth. Kynareth is associated with Zenithar in his Knights of the Nine quest, which implies that people cannot create anything let alone trade it, if Kynareth doesn't first supply them with materials such as iron and stone. Unfortunately, Dibella and Julianos don't fit into this as comfortably, with my best link being beauty comes from nature (kyne) and creative intelligence, entering julianos' sphere. On another note, they way I distinguish Y'ffre and Kyne who both represent nature, is that Kyne represents inanimate nature, like the wind, sea and stone, while Y'ffre represents living nature, such as animals and trees, which both require mating... speaking of, Dibella and Y'ffre both appreciate art and music... what a coincidence.
It would be really interesting to do a podcast episode on warfare in Tamriel, like what makes war in the elder scrolls unique or the various tactics and strategies of different cultures.
@@badluck5647 I like the wizards and warriors series, but they understandably only go over the major events in broad strokes. I think that fudgemuppet excels at the minor details that are normally missed.
i have also been thinking about the Hero of Kvatch as potentially Shezarrine: The Champion of Cyrodiil is not a “great example of a nobody character that isn’t some grand destiny God-ling”. The Champion of Cyrodiil, Hero of Kvatch, Savior of Bruma, is a Shezarrine. I started thinking about this as a lame headcanon to make my CoC relevant next to the Dragonborn and Nerevarine, but then I really got to thinking about the implications of the KotN DLC, and what a Shezarrine actually is and does. If what Mankar Camoran said about Nirn being Lorkhan’s (I’ll call him Shor from here on out because I like that name more and also because that’s what his actual worshippers all call him) equivalent of a realm of Oblivion, which, if you wanna get into what a realm of Oblivion technically is, which is a world sitting on the void created/ruled by a really powerful Et’Ada (the various Aedra, gods and Daedra are all these Et’Ada/‘original spirits’, the distinction between Aedric and Daedric by nature is artificial and elf-made. They probably align themselves between Anuic and Padomaic. And Shor/Lorkhan is super Padomaic.) then Nirn technically counts, it’s just not numbered among the realms of Oblivion because the inhabitants of Nirn don’t consider themselves Aedra or consider Shor to be the proper Daedric prince of the realm. Even dead, Shor has been seen or said to still be able to exert his will, and I can’t think of a better reason to send a Shezarrine than to prevent Shor’s realm from being taken over by another Et’Ada. (Also there’s the whole save the Empire and the Dragonborn thing, and I have my own theory on the connections between Dragonborn and Shezarrine, and whether or not it was really “Akatosh” who made the covenant with Alessia and gave her the Red Diamond, and should be the patron god of the Empire, here’s a hint, it was our Shor boy again) On top of that, which I feel is already at least solid ground for a decently plausible if mostly subtextual headcanon, we have the events of the Knights of the Nine DLC, and we get to talk about my single favorite Elder Scrolls character ever period. Pelinal “Bad Mothafucka” Whitestrake. Pelinal, obviously a Shezarrine, might also be either a rad weird crystal golem man or a sweet Terminator reference, either way, the only person really being remotely confirmed as a Shezarrine in the lore. I can get into Wulfharth, who was also Dovahkiin, but not the time or place. He’s so deeply connected to the Nords (the only group that puts Shor as top of the divine totem pole, and, by extension from the Nords, all of humanity), and to Shor, and the Red Diamond itself. But you collect all of big homie’s gear, and then kill Umaril for good, the thing that Pelinal himself couldn’t do during his life. Basically, wearing Pelinal’s armor, finishing Pelinal’s quest, and then being the sword arm of closing shut the jaws of Oblivion. If you draw the connection between Martin and Alessia, and the CoC and Pelinal, it’s almost a really obvious subtext. The only problems are the questions of whether a Shezarrine is Shor himself incarnating into a mortal body, or a mortal champion guided, aided and influenced by the will and might of Shor, or maybe somewhere in between. If a Shezarrine is the literal avatar and incarnation of Shor in mortal form, then the Shivering Isles ending ruins it altogether, unless there’s some non-stretchy evidence in the novels or in Skyrim that I missed that states that Shor became Sheogorath (Sheorgorath? Combining the old (Direnni era old) Breton name for Shor “Sheor” with Sheogorath iiiiis pretty easy). If a Shezarrine is just a cool dude that Shor expresses his will through, which is the theory I tend to operate on, then yeah, it at least makes sense in my little chimp
Theory: We, humans of this world, are descendants of the Dwemer. Long ago our ancestors created a new existence and vanished from Nirn. We now only have Elder Scrolls because only a few people now have the lore etched into their mind (the writers) and even they think it's their fiction that they dreamt about but it's actually fragments of memories passed on through genetics by some powerful Dwemer ancestors.
Theory: Shor corrupted Alduin Alduin was going to fullfil his role as World Eater, but upon entering Sovngarde to devour the souls of the dead, Shor (Lorkhan) corrupted him into becoming a tyrant over the Nords so he could have more time to gather the souls of strong Nord warriors so he could win in the next fight with Akatosh (Auriel). The longer Alduin could be kept from ending the Kalpa, the more time Shor would have to prepare for his revenge against the god who killed him and stole his creation. After Alduin started ruling the Nords, Shor had Kyne, one of the gods that was on his side during the Dawn, convince Paarthurnax to help the Nords learn the Thu'um so that they might kill him and delay the end of the Kalpa even longer, perhaps he even gave the idea to banish Alduin with the Elder Scroll to Felldir as a backup plan in case they couldn't pull it off. This didn't actually end up getting rid of him, but it did buy Shor even more time to gather Nord souls for the next battle by casting him thousands of years into the future.
Both the orc discussion at the beginning and the canon discussion at the end can be answered with the same thought- The actual developers working on the literal games don't care about this stuff and just write whatever the hell they want without worrying about these details, so these little contradictions and ideas of canon don't ultimately matter
Well the fact is that we actually do know that Orcs can live longer than they typically do. The Old Orc that you encounter, part of the dialogue you can tell him is that he appears to still be a vital and capable warrior. He tells you that you’re right and that’s why he should seek a good death now. He was a real dirty thirties looking kinda guy. So the idea is there that orcs typically die younger. Not their maximum life span. They view living to have your hair gray and fall as unbecoming. The goal is to die good before that happens! But we still don’t quite know how long they can live. The Orcish librarian is certainly being kept alive by mage BS. No doubt. And if they do have the life span of humans as the Nordic interpretation of Malacath implies then it would be like a dark age human kinda life span right? Could live 80-100 years but they usually die around 30 cause of the brutality their way of life demands. They don’t live like imperials, ya know.
I've been going with that fallout theory for awhile. Vaults would explain the huge number of cave systems in ES and why a group of subterranean dwellers ended up with technology so advanced compared to their contemporaries. That it might as well have been magic. There's really only a couple of methods I can think of to get past the largest hurdle between the two being 1. The moon or should I say moons. Somehow we added a moon. Current theory about the first time that happened. Suggests the earth collided with another planet. So how do we accomplish this without destroying the world....that's a actual destruction of world btw. Not the "we used a bunch of nukes" or "we made it warmer" destroying the world. 1. No moon was added. The one there previously was broken in two by some means. 2. Civilization bounces back in a huge way in fallout. Science so advanced that it would seem like magic to us. Including the capability of bringing back an additional moon from space. 3. Same as 2 just replacing humans with those damn aliens from fallout. 4. Something Lovecraftian. I'll leave the specifics to those familiar with the source material. I am not. I do know there are references to his work in ES. And I think we've probably all seen what's at the bottom of the "dunwich borers" mine in fallout4. Honestly doubt that there actually is a connection. That doesn't make it any less fun trying to figure out how it could be done.
Something to take away from the soul gem theory is that every main game besides skyrim revolves around incredibly powerful soul gems that often allow for apotheosis, what the implications are I don't know.
It's possible to argue the Dragonborn is themself a sort of soul gem for dragons. And it could sort of lead to apotheosis, if you imagine trapping a dragon soul is like absorbing their piece of the Aka oversoul into your own, gradually growing it to godlike proportions.
I heard about the Ideal Masters through a Skyrim mod that ads new books to the world, and I thought they were just fan-made short stories? What are the Ideal Masters exactly?
@@Mary_Beth_Reimer Damn I see! I thought they were some kind of Daedra, the stories I read always ended in characters making deals with the Ideal Masters and falling victim to them... Thanks for the insight 👌
About the types of soul gems, when I played Morrowind and killed Vivek, I ended up soul trapping him and putting him into a ring.... There was no black soul gems in Morrowind
What if the main characters are becoming gods in the future and as a result they are retroactively effecting time causing all of their actions, regardless of separate timelines, to be true, hence the dragonbreak. What if after every game there is a dragonbreak but some are much more noticeable than others aka the warp in the west. Plus there is evidence that suggest that most of the main characters are immortal after their games. Nerevarine surviving through corpus, HoK becoming sheogorath, Dragonborn becoming a servant to H.Mora.
Corpses are NOT static. They go thru constant change until they are completely consumed and recycled. Hail sithis, brothers: lorkahn is the great liberator
I know it’s just the Viking aesthetic but I have a lore theory about why Nords wear horns on there helmets. So most depictions of lorkhan (mostly out of source no canon depiction) have him as this horned devil figure. I always made my head canon that the Nords wanting to embody there hero god took up his likeness by putting horns on there helmet. It could also be dragons but I always liked this idea more.
Theory: Peryite is an essential worker. When Jyggalag was cursed by the other Princes, Peryite took up essential functions under Jyggylag's domain that would have been left unattended without him, which is on-brand for him being the Taskmaster. With Jyggalag essentially absent for most of history, his sphere would've gone without Princely oversight, which is probably desirable to the Princes who had him cursed. But this leaves the possibility that many essential functions related to "Order" would go defunct, leading to chaos in on Mundus. The other Princes may have known this, and decided to give a small part of Jyggalag's sphere to a new and nonthreatening entity, the weakest Prince, Peryite. Or perhaps Peryite saw Jyggalag's sphere attended, and grabbed a small chunk for himself, small enough that the other Princes weren't concerned about him becoming a new threat. This works with Peryite being the Taskmaster, who handles the things no one else will do, and perhaps scraped together his own Princely sphere. This works with the theory that Peryite is depicted as a dragon because he's mocking Akatosh or he's going to be head of the pantheon in the next Kalpa (I forget where I heard that from but it was somewhere lore-related, might've been you guys lol). Peryite could aspire to control more of Jyggalag's sphere, using his current nonthreatening position to quietly accumulate more power. If Jyggalag was powerful enough to scare all the Daedra, he was likely more powerful than the Aedra too, so if Peryite was ready, a new Kalpa would give him a good chance to challenge the Aedra & Daedra. This theory is from the view that Peryite's "Natural Order" and Jyggalag's "Perfect Order" aren't actually that different. I think the natural order of plague and pestilence would have to be included in Order more broadly. Jyggalag has the sphere of Order, and he has "Perfect Order" because he himself is a perfectionist, and Peryite's "natural order" manifests a lot as plague and pestilence because he just likes gross stuff. You guys are great, thanks for all the work you put into this channel and the community! And I've got a related sub-theory under this one if you'd like to check it out
Sub-theory: There are many lesser Princes running around Oblivion, and Peryite used to be one of them. Peryite is notably referred to as the Weakest Prince. Other than Jyggalag, we don't usually get any insight into the varying power levels between the Daedric Princes. Perhaps Peryite is truly the Weakest Prince because he's the Newest Prince, or the weakest of the Greater Daedric Princes (the 17 we are familiar with). Peryite could've been a lower Prince, who as a Taskmaster, was able to scrape together his own sphere of influence great enough to rise in status. Maybe he grabbed "natural order" from Jyggalag's defunct sphere, or maybe the Greater Princes knew Peryite was a taskmaster and chose to promote him in return for handling some essential duties. We only know about the main 17 Princes because they are "Greater", the most powerful, and thus have the most effect on Mundus. There may be a number of other autonomous Princes who are simply much less powerful. This works with the new lore about Fargrave and its forgotten Prince. That Prince was simply bodied by the much more powerful Dagon. This also works with that one-off line Clavicus Vile says to the Dragonborn in Skyrim, that in his current state without Barbas the Dragonborn is almost as powerful as him. This always felt weird because even a half-powered Daedric prince should be able to body any mortal when it comes to flat-out power-level (this is getting dangerously close to Dragonball Z), even a max level Dragonborn. But perhaps Vile isn't far off from being a lesser Prince, maybe the 2nd Weakest of the Greater Princes. If you made it all the way through both theories, congrats! You deserve an elder scrolls trophy. Remember to drink water, and have a nice day :)
Lamae Bal, the first vampire, may still be alive in the 4th era. The two vampire loggers that the Dragonborn is sent to kill by the Dark Brotherhood seem unaffected by the sun. The only stain of vampirism that doesn't get negatively effected by daylight is Noxiphilic Sanguivoria, the strain linked directly to Lamae Bal and her blood ritual. Unless that vampire loggers are centuries old, Lamae Bal is still giving out her "gift" in the 4th era.
Couldn't she have been destroyed after turning someone? There isn't any evidence that vampires have a set lifespan. So she could have been destroyed but the bloodline lived on.
@@jerrybierman9047 dawg a vampire loses their soul there for they are immortal they can live forever they have to be killed at that point
Yes please, brings the OG vampire Mommy
@@jerrybierman9047 True, but I find it unlikely. It is doubtful that the loggers are very old (by vampiric standards) due to them being not particularly powerful or particularly cunning in their concealment (there is a reason they have a hit on them). It would also be quite the coincidence that Lamae Bal, one of the oldest beings alive and arguably one of the most powerful vampires to exist, got killed in the last few centuries after turning these two into vampires.
I mean the sunlight doesn't seem to do much more than weaker you so I don't see how these two loggers just have normal vampirism and don't care about the sunlight
Theory: There was never a permanent dragon priest named Konahrik. Instead it was a position similar to the dictators of Ancient Rome. When the dragon cult needed a single unified leader in times of war the highest dragon priests would come together to decide on who would become warlord, which would require a complete agreement and (symbolically) has them giving up their masks/power to the one chosen as warlord. This is why we never find a dragon priest in game named Konahrik and why all the other masks must be present to gain it.
I remember someone else made a comment about that in Nates video
This is such a cool theory! Like when the Dragonborn finally acquires the mask, they take the title, and they essentially "become" Konahrik.
Theory: The Ideal Masters don't feed on souls, they trade them to the Daedric Princes
Serana mentions one theory about what the Ideal Masters do with souls -- they they use them as a form of currency.
I think that's exactly what they do.
If the Ideal Masters consume souls, why is the Soul Cairn so populated? Why keep a Daughter of Coldharbor captive and trick a dragon into being her warden? It's not about feeding, everything the Ideal Masters do is about bargaining and deceit.
The Ideal Masters collect souls through users of black soul gems and bargaining with necromancers, then trade those souls to the only beings that seem to have some use for them: the Daedra (what daedra do with souls is a whole other thing).
What exactly the Ideal Masters receive is up for debate, but perhaps, back when the Ideal Masters were still mortal mages, they were unable to create the Soul Cairn on their own, so they made a deal with daedra to create a plane of Oblivion for them. The souls the Ideal Masters trade to the daedra could basically be them paying rent for their slice of Oblivion. Or, maybe whomever they bargained with tricked them and instead of a one-time payment, the Ideal Masters got stuck with an unpayable debt.
Perhaps that's also why vampires can freely enter the Soul Cairn: their souls are already property of Molag Bal, and his power overrules the Masters'.
The ideal masters are dark souls players??????
Does that mean that Werewolves can also enter the soul realm, because they belong to Hircine? Or post-solstheim LDB, since he’s owned by hermaeus mora?
Fan theory: Jarl Elisif only acts a bit dim and incompetent because it's in her best interest to be underestimated. In truth she's a mastermind; constantly playing 3D chess to make sure that no matter who wins the Civil War she'll be fine and will even retain at least some power. And also just in general to get everyone around her to do what she wants.
ETA: Just as an example; watch her behavior during the "Season Unending" peace negotiations. I believe that she uses reverse psychology to get General Tullius to hand over Markarth since it's a landlocked area, knowing that access to the ports in the Rift and the Pale are more important to the war effort than temporary access to the silver mines. Not only that, but now the Stormcloaks have to dedicate men and resources to deal with the Forsworn. So she gets Tullius to hand Markarth over and Ulfric to overvalue it in one fell swoop.
Or watch the way she handles Falk Firebeard when he doesn't want to do anything about Wolfskull Cave. She believes that there may actually be danger; he doesnt, so she intentionally proposes a huge overreaction to get him to agree to the more tempered response she actually wants. Not only that, but she gets him to believe that it was his idea all along. And, of course, she was right about Wolfskull Cave; her thane was not.
Of course, she could wield her power in a more direct way, but she knows that being young and pretty makes people take her less seriously, so her indirect approach just works so much better.
Jarl Elisif the galaxy brain
I know Ulfric keeps her as a powerless figurehead if he wins the war, but I hardly remember any signs of a master strategist or manipulator.
Are there some examples that I'm not seeing of her cunning brilliance?
@@badluck5647 I posted an edit in which I go into more detail. As for being a powerless figurehead under Ulfric, I believe she'd be able to use her cunning and her feminine wiles to wield all sorts of at least soft power under him.
@@FreshwaterSquid77 It is a well thought out theory, but I'm still unconvinced. Maybe next time I play the game, I will pay more attention to Elisif's actions to see if the theory holds up.
Is she playing chess while others play checkers? Or is she just another puppet of the empire?
To play devils advocate, her husband was reared by Stentor to rule over Skyrim, according to the Nightspawn herself. So it stands to reason that some of that vampires manipulative behavior would've rubbed off on High King Torygg and thus to his wife to an extent. That is, *if* she's using the general perception of her to her advantage.
Makes you wish Bethesda would flesh out their characters more instead of "keeping it simple" for convenience. So much potential.
The Heart of Lorkhan didn't vanish from Tamriel during the defeat of Dagoth Ur, but simply moved to another location on the continent.
The Heart can't disappear from Nirn because "This Heart is the heart of the world, for one was made to satisfy the other."
Hermaeus Mora deceived Septimus Signus into finding the Oghma Infinium by telling Signus a partial truth about the Heart of Lorkhan still being on Tamriel. If anyone would know if the heart is still around, then it would be Hermaeus Mora.
Lastly, why did Vivec abandon the Dunmer people? Could he be searching for the heart?
Yeah, maybe the Heart was jettisoned out of the Volcano at some point and may even be on another Continent for all we know...
(Imagine it goes over to Akavir and the Thalmor and other parties gotta go over there and hunt it down😅)
I believe the Heart of Lorkhan is in Akavir, or Atmora, or Pyandonea, or Aldmeris(if it actually exists, which is debatable). It would have been found after the Heart disappeared from Vvardenfell. How many years there are between Morrowind and Skyrim, i don't know. But i think it would have been found by now if it is in Tamriel. As far as we know, there are not a lot of caves or dungeons out there that have not be reported on, written about et cetera. Maybe it is still in Tamriel and is in the caves of the hackdirt cave in Cyrodildo? Who knows?
I think the main thing that supports that idea is that Lorkhan is more like the Daedric Prince of Nirn, and his heart behaves like an extraordinarily powerful Daedric artifact in terms of directly tapping into their power and being spiritually and mythically inseparable from their source. All of the daedric artifacts apparate wherever they're needed or the prince wants something done directly, and dissappear when relied upon too much. Even Magnus' staff follows the rule, and he's not even of Oblivion. The Heart of Lorkhan was nothing if not overused, and now there all people that 1)need it more, and 2) are more integral to the primary conflicts of the day. Vvardenfel was wonderfully central for a long time, and its place there helped the first people to break off from the elf Nazis to ascend culturally and have a position on high because of their support of Lorkhans plan. Now, I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up somewhere in Hammerfell, the heart of conflict in the last thirty years, and closer to the Adamantine Tower where it was removed in the first place, and likely the last to fall if the Thalmor's plot is to control and fell the towers.
Yeah the heart is likely gone forever in gameplay at least.
But its supposedly still somewhere hidden, and its not likely to be found as it could be anywhere, even just halfway the planet's center in pure bedrock without any tunnels or underground passages even close to it.
As for Vivec, I feel like he just rationalized that it all no longer mattered.
Its all part of the dream.
Lives are small embers that glow brightly for just a moment before turning to ash, in the grand scheme of things.
Those souls will move on, and eventually in the next Kalpa be reborn anew.
Or, he realized that the Tribunal was stunting the growth of the Dunmer people by constantly guarding over them.
The world of Nirn is a violent arena where one grows and survives.
But if 3 omnipotent godlings solve all problems for those people, then there is no growth, no improvement.
Only stasis and slow decay.
To "save" the Dunmer, they have to be cast naked and ignorant into the dangerous arena, just like any other race.
@@jefthereaper I mean, sure, he could have just wanted his people to flourish in a harsh world, but he could have also set Baar Dau gently in the sea before fucking off.
The librarian in the college is actually a master in chronomancy (time magic) and cast a freeze time spell on the library, preventing the books from decaying. So long as he remains in the library he also won't age and that is why he never leaves.
Ayyy
Why not do an entire episode on the septim Dynasty? I understand you may have covered or talked about certain individuals in certain episodes, but why not do an entire episode on the entire bloodline at the center of TES and the namesake of its currency? Love the great work guys!
Theory: The Orsimer were the Lefthanded Elves. First of all, Trinimac was left-handed and so is Malacath (Source: Trinimac definitively in ESO, Malacath’s Daggerfall appearance and statue in ESO.)
Left-handedness is often associated with being the “other” throughout history and it was seen as a flaw.
The Lefthanded Elves were “monsters” according to Vivec, who supposedly played a part in creating them in Sermon Seventeen.
“Vivec chose a king for a wife and made another race of monsters” so in other words, Vivec impaled someone in the back(side) and made a race of monsters. Guess who did stab a king in a back and create a race of monsters? Mephala.
There’s even more evidence: the Orcs and orichalcum are clearly interlinked. They smith from this metal, they wear it in a distinctive feudal Japanese style (less so in Skyrim admittedly) and its bloody green. Its pretty clear the two are linked, thematically and historically. The Orichalc Tower was in Yokuda before a great tragedy befell it and the Lefthanded elves.
According to legend, not a single lefthanded elf made it to Tamriel. So not one Lefthanded elf fled? I find it unlikely, but if so… where are they? If seems to make sense that the Orcs fled to Hammerfell only to be destroyed once again by the Ra Gada.
The reason why Orcs don’t have a homeland is because they’ve already lost it. It sank with their tower.
We also have the strange bit of text in the book "Redguards, thier History and Heroes", that states that Orcs were part of Hiras army. Also Diagna, the god that gave the Redguards orichalc weapons to fight the Left-Handed Elves, is known as the God of the Sideways Blade but one of Malacath's titles is also the God that Speaks Sideways. Though I am not a 100% convinced that the Orcs of Yokuda are the same as the Orcs of Tamriel or were actually the Lefthanded Elves since it kind of contradicts Trinimac's transformation and also when the Redguards landed in Hammerfell, they were especially violent against the Altmer clans living thier due to the elves reminding them of the Left Handed Elves. But thier are definitely a lot of weird connections with Malacath, Diagna Orcs, and Yokuda.
I actually have a going theory that Urag is Hermaeus Mora. He's been around since the 2nd era at the College, refers to his library as his own Plane of Oblivion, he directs you to finding Septimus Signus (you know, the main quest that has a daedric side quest that you're forced into starting) and by extension the Elder Scroll, actively helping your progression as Dragonborn. Not to mention Mora's character model is an Orc. Playing through the main quest and the Dragonborn DLC forces interaction with Urag and Mora. If you finished his first quest, then by the end of Dragonborn, you'll have done two quests for Mora. At the very least, Urag is a follower who steered you towards Mora so you could replace Miraak.
M'aiq isn't the only God among us.
Urag as Hermaeus Mora worshipper is a better theory. The daedra prince seems too alien to be able to successfully pretend to be a mortal.
@@badluck5647 but he doesn't say the library is just a plane of Oblivion, but his own plane
I will miss the weekly addresses and podcast, but I also completely get it in terms of production times. Hopefully it helps you have more time for general editing, the latest videos have been noticeably higher in quality, after all.
Hot Take: The Elven gods are just jealous of Lorkhan for being popular with women.
According to Nordic myth, Shor's has Kyne as a wife and Mara as a concubine.
According to the Khajiit myth, Azurah and Lorkhaj were also very close as Lorkhaj died in Azurah's embrace.
According to Dumner myth, Boethiah (along with Mephala) attacked and corrupted Trinimac for bad mouthing Lorkhan.
Meanwhile, Auri-El and Trinimac remained unmarried and unloved.
The Chad Lorkhan vs the Virgin Auriel
So you're telling me that the reason Lorkhan got killed is because he walked up to the elven gods and said
"No bitches?"
I thought there's a myth of Hircine wearing the deer skull because it was the most beautiful creature, or something, in Y'ffre's forest. This was done because Hircine wanted the love of Nirn, but Y'ffre was her lover instead.
@@jeffgoode9865 It depends if you believe the bosmer or khajiit myths. Those races' narratives are as conflicting as altmer myths vs nord myths.
The bosmer say Y'ffre was Nirni's lover, while the khajiit say Y'ffre was Nirni's murder.
I said it before and I will say it again... The high elves are very very high elves. Building Nirn was not so bad. Many did lose power however if all had contributed to the creation then they would have remained relatively equal. Those that backed out thought it a trick to make them weak. Those that gave nothing remained at full power. Poor Lorkhan died but even in death his heart had the last laugh.
Another point for the “talos mantled lorkhan” theory:
Talos live just as lorkhan did, fighting elves and dying in battle to save man. All the shezzarines die, just as lorkhan does to create the world, and they leave behind some powerful item or device that holds huge power. Lorkhan leaves behind the heart of lorkhan, Talos leaves the Numidian/mantella (mantella has a very interesting name too… just a thought) and Pelinal Whitestrake leaves behind the amulet of kings. My point is that lorkhan continues to be mantled over and over again and every one of these mantlers die and leave behind an essence of lorkhan to keep the world alive
Scott is the adoring fan because I feel he gets the most passionate, Drew is M’aiq the Liar because he plays the contrarian/says things just to mess with people, and Michael is Sheogorath(?)
“I could do M’aiq for one hour, solo. And it’s not even because I love M’aiq.” What are you trying to say, Michael? 😂🤣🤘🏼
Theory:
Blackreach extends far beyond Skyrim into Morrowind and Hammerfell and all the lands the Dwemer lived.
That's why the Dwemer were able to spread over such a wide area without influencing Tamrielic history. They constructed their cities in underground and built them up to the surface. This would include the Dwemer ruins in the Wrothgar Mountains and might explain why Gortwog gro-Nagorm King of Orsinium in the 3rd Era held the title Warlord of the Subterranean Realms (hmm another Orc-Dwemer connection?)
Good idea. that would make a lot of sense.
While it is possible that the Dwemer moved through a continent wide cavern system, it doesn't appear like the unique Blackreach ecosystem goes beyond subterranean Skyrim and the Reach. If the ecosystem was more extensive, then you would see the unique plantlife in dwemer ruins in Hammerfell, High Rock, and Morrowind.
@@badluck5647 what if each region had their own super cave connected by dwemer make tunnels
Parthurnax is the stone of the tower of the throat of the world, and by being forced to kill him the Dovahkiin canonically furthered the goals of the Thalmor.
Parthurnax sits at the apex of the mountain, and disseminates power from its summit in the form of knowledge of the thuum and control of the weather. To me this seems much more plausible than the mainstream idea that the stone is a magical cave, which never appeared in game.
The Dovahkiin is forced to kill Paarthurnax? I've never done that, and he has extra dialogue after you defeat Alduin and return from Sovngarde, so I think it's a choice left to the player.
My headcanon is that the Time Wound is the stone of Snow-Throat. Regarding Thalmor tower theory, you could say that the Thalmor simply failed to break the stone of Snow-Throat. Alternatively, defeating Alduin fixed the damage created by sending him through time, thus sealing the Time Wound. Or perhaps simply using the Elder Scroll to learn Dragonrend sealed the Wound; I don't remember if it's even possible to look at the past again.
Kamal were once Snow Elves, the phrase that some snow elves may have survive else where outside the help of the dwemer during their calamity of nords. My theory is that some snow elves may have left the main continent to insure their survival and may have headed to Akavir. First point, The Kamal landed on Skyrim on 2E 572 instead of Morrowind and more important they attacked Windhelm one of the ancient city that may been around during the snow elves exist on Skyrim. Second point, the Snow Prince's spear may have been the Ordained Receptacle because of the strange amount of detail in lore about a random weapon and the way it keeps come up in the other games. Third point, The snow elves are declared dead and gone by 1E143-221 but the majority of them were gone in the Merthic Era 800-1000. All points are could lead to a large mirgant shift for the snow elves during this period, they could of got to Akavir and interact with some ice based race ( race that deal with ice, magic or genetic) that help them assimilate to culture or environment. The same as in real world history as Vikings mirganting into Russia and their interactions with the Slav people
Maybe the elves that can't directly be linked to Summerset (Dwemer, Falmer, and Ayleids) came from Akavir in the early Merethic era.
The Kamal could be from the same family tree as the Falmer.
Windhelm was created by Snow Elve slaves so theirs a motive to attack the city
"Those who try to hasten the end, may delay it. Those who work to delay the end, may bring it closer." - Paarthurnax
hes a wise old man
i guess this quote might be a hint on the theory of the dragonborn's actions be causing the reborn of Alduin to swallow the world instead of saving it
Partysnax*
Delphine is a bloodthirsty twit. Refusing to have any sort of nuance, I really hate her so much for causing me to have a forever unfinished quest. Paarthunax was essential in saving the world? He’s gotta die, he’s an evil dragon. I really could rant about Delphine for a while, even about her stupid walk
@@auru1325 mitten squad?
I'm glad yall are focusing on videos yall are passionate about. But going to miss weekly pod casts. Especially Micheal trolling Scott and Drew.
Do a podcast on a topic about The Elder Scrolls II Daggerfall.
My theory is that Fudgemuppet all sleeps in the same bed like the Powerpuff Girls
I love when FudgeMuppet makes content. I miss when Scott, Michael, and Drew did their weekly or bi-weekly podcasts. One of my favorite channels to watch ❤
Regarding Urag gro-Shub's lifespan and the use of magic: Arch-Mage Aren will tell the play in some spare dialogue when you get near him, "What you learn here will last you a lifetime. Several, if you're talented."
I imagine the College of Winterhold's librarian, with all that arcane knowledge at his disposal, would be quite talented indeed.
It’s not just one orc Ullceta groKogg is also a pretty old orc. She was in Elder a Scrolls Online and still managed to give an interview with Hannibal Traven. The good orc necromancer in ESO is lives long enough to do an interview for The Black Arts on trial. So there is your second example.
Her Lifespan is extended through Psijic Magic: "Something like three hundred and fifty years. Give or take a decade.
Impressive, right? Truth is, long life comes with the robes. The Psijics don't think Orcs like us can learn much of anything in the lifetime Malacath gives us."
Maybe orcs live longer than men but not other mer.
It's too bad that Scott can't see past the community's Sheogorath memes. Sheogorath is terrifying, even in full on cheese mode, because he doesn't need Dark Anchors or Oblivion gates to make life hell on Nirn; in fact, all he really needs is your mind. It's possible that many of the conflicting accounts of Tamrielic history were intentionally muddied by Sheogorath-touched scribes in order to better obfuscate the methods necessary to achieve greater power. Perhaps achieving CHIM is less about asserting your ego and more a matter of prevailing against the madness that comes for you when you attempt to plumb the infinite?
Honestly, Sheogorath is my favourite Prince because of how terrifying he can be if he cared to be.
I think part of that is because of modern Bethesda's portrayal of the character. Bethesda paints him as that crazy uncle that says/does random things at the party and everyone gets a laugh out of it. Originally uncle Sheo was supposed to be more of a Hannibal type of character, a criminally insane god with methods to his madness. At least according to Zaric Zhakhron who claims to have spoken to the mad prince's original creator.
That can be difficult to pull off though, and its probably the reason Bethesda went with the crazy uncle portrayal we've come to know and love.
Makes you wonder how his quest in Skyrim could've turned out had they took that approach? What purpose would it serve to make Palagious the Mad "so boringly sane" as he puts it? Perhaps he wants to bring just enough sanity to his consciousness so his ghost can freely haunt the halls of the Blue palace. Perhaps there's someone within Solitudes court that Sheogorath wants within his realm, maybe a potential replacement for Haskil. Using the ghost of Palagious to specifically drive them insane. You would be able to see this madness on display throughout the city. Not just something like him dancing naked on the streets either. No, I mean the terrifying insanity on the level of Emperor Palagious himself. Tormenting the people of Solitude with the misuse of their political influence. Maybe the quest ends with this character eventually being executed publicly, all the citizens breathe a sigh of relief after the torment they had to endure at this characters insanity. Insanity which was sparked, in part by the Dragonborns aid of the mad god.
Forgive the spelling and naming errors, didn't have time to look through and proofread/research names of characters.
@@MidoriOfTheShuinsen He makes me think of what a batman villain would do with god-like powers. Terrifying
@@badluck5647 I think there is one, he's called God Emperor Joker.
I feel like with Urag the explanation is most likely the boring answer of life extending magic because as Savos Aren comments when you first get to the college "the knowledge you aquire here will last you a life time, multiple if you're talented" implying skilled mages (no matter what race) living for multiple life times isn't all that uncommon
I personally think this is actually a little bit of the funnier answer when you look at his possible motivations for extending his life. Urag is extremely proud of the collection he has amassed and like the original theory mentioned with his comment on how many books would have been burned if he didn't take his job seriously and his other dialogue that has him implying he's the only person who will keep the arcanaenum in prestine condition it makes me believe THAT is his motivation for extending his life to the point he has (if we are to believe the comment about the books and the 3rd Era to not be an exaggeration implying he is indeed over 600 years old)
To me that is kinda hilarious and really highlights how dedicated he is to his job
Theory: the reason we don't know where the Nedes, Dwemer, and
Falmer come from is because they're left over from a previous Kalpa. They might have originally came to Tamriel from Lyg-Atmora and Lyg-Summerset, or, maybe Aldmeris-Atmora and Aldmeris-Summerset
Listening to the Kalpas podcast I had the theory that the hero of kavatch played a pivotal role in the transition to the next kalpar. The transition of kalpas is mundane to mythic and back. Well what is more if a transition than freeing the god of order to allow more mundane. I believe oblivion is the halfway point in between kalpas as we switch from madness to order aka mythical to mundane.
Talking about Ma'iq the Liar is like beating an undead horse. It's already been beaten to death, then resurrected, and now it's being beaten again. I want to know what this horse could possibly have done to offend someone so badly as to have to be brought back again. And again. And again.
Still better than the Dwemer becoming something else theories:
"They are orcs"
"They are the Hist"
"They are automatons"
"They are daedra"
"They are Ma'iq the Liar?"
"They are blaw, blaw, blaw"
Cool Idea: You should be able to use "sunlight" the same way we use soul gems. Soul gems trap souls to be used as power for enchantments/magic. Sunlight is supposed to be the energy or light of aetherious where Magnus and the Magnagi reside. Soul gems seem a bit more synister as you are trapping the souls of living creatures, this seems to go against Meridia's whole anti-falselife thing (to a degree). Ps. : @29:50 They use those terms because they are the architects of the dream world being had by the Godhead.
So I've been thinking a lot about "The Butcher" in Windhelm, and about potential victims. Do you think it's possible that Aventus' mother was a victim of the butcher, and what do you make of the corpses found underneath the floorboards of the Aretino residence? Maybe Calixto hid bodies there once it became vacant, then Aventus came back, enabling him to get what he needs for the Black Sacrament.
2 years later I miss this
We don’t really know how old Orcs can get, but we do encounter an “old orc” who is about 40, and we get the picture that Orcs seek death pretty early before they start showing signs of age
Like the new background guys. Also as far as the bi-weekly uploads we don’t mind at all. I’m surprised that you guys have been able to do it so well every week. Much love from New York tho, keep up the good content
100% on the Talos as an aspect of Lorkhan that remantles his former divinity theory. It's basically the individuation process of Jungian psychology whereby a part of your ego (that was born from the Original Self), takes the role of the 'Hero' to rediscover and merge the Original Self with the wisdom they have learnt through life, creating the True Self.
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This was my thought process too. Thelema. While Talos may be an ascended aspect of Lorkhan, I still believe that being the ascended aspect is becoming his former self, Lorkhan but through his own means. The merging of the True Will and the mortal will.
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@@jaycrownshaw3902 Ibid., the depiction of Talos slaying a snake and Lorkhan's association with Satakal also implies the destruction of a darker aspect of the self bonded to the ego in order to ascend - which in Akatosh's case (one's sense of time) manifests as Alduin.
@@eyeofgnosis558 I would also add on to this by saying that CHIM, the left handed path overwrites being a shezzarine as its the ultimate realization of the Self and places Talos in the unique position of being able to mantle his higher self and become his higher self in that way.
I was thinking while you guys were discussing Urag gro-Shub’s longevity that there may be another possible explanation: what if he’s not fully Orsimer, but maybe he’s like half Altmer or Dunmer? Maybe the orcish traits are more visible, but there are traits from another race (like longevity) that he could have inherited as well?
I think the Hero of Kvatch mantling pelinal theory makes sense if you look at the broad brush strokes of both heroes. They are both the champion of a future emperor with almost superhuman capabilities who assisted Cyrodil in a role of crisis, HoK solos several oblivion gates and Pelinal single-handedly fought and killed scores of Ayleids and their kings.
Then you have the obvious parallel with the Knights of the nine quest line. And finally the madness of pelinal is parallel with the HoK traveling into the shivering isles.
Maybe “mantle” is a bad word here since he don’t literally become pelinal (walk like them until they walk like you) but there are big parallels between the two characters imo.
I really feel like you guys are my friends and i get really excited for all of your guy's content amd feeling that we can all connect through our love of Elderscrolls. Ill be here when the fated day of the 100th episode arrives!
literally camel's whole video on the augur of dunlain, is the theory I would have posited here
Please, never stop making these podcasts and bringing content to your channel. I love these videos and they're filling a sour gap left by the wait for The Elder Scrolls 6.
As to the point about Urag living for centuries: The Lore of the Orsimer states that they were cursed to have lifespans similar to humans, instead of their previous merethic lifespans. It doesn't state the exact form this takes; it doesn't explicitly say that they would die of natural causes. In Skyrim we meet the "Lone Orc" character, who claims to be an old orc who is "past his usefulness" and wants a good death. Orcs live as long as other elves if they aren't killed, their culture dictates that they have to die at around sixty or so and so they go out into the woods and get themselves killed. Voila, problem solved. Thank me on the podcast.
Theory: Aldmeris wasn't a continent, it was a previous Kalpa
Ok give some evidence.. no ok i will, the moarmer are ledgendary sailors who where banished from aldmeris and adapted to the nothingness of the sea, and yet they cannot find their home, many people blame this on the *mists* that may be the aftermath of the last kalpa after the skinking or destruction of the last world. Not only this but elves massmigrated to a new world where they are extremely out of place compared to every other race that may or may not be there such as nedes an ancient race of humans thought to be there before elves, this combined with the highly adaptive blood of mer would make it likely for them to survive the end and start of a kalpa and go on and adapt to the new world. Oh and supports the drastically different names for gods but that could just be the presentation that the gods took upon themselves such as what happened with khajits. I really hope this theory is picked in the next podcast of this type because its a very intresting topic but i would like to point out that if it was a previous kalpa it would also be likely for it to be the main continent of the last kalpa but still very good theory and very intresting.
Your welcome
@@auru1325 I won't say aldmeris was real, but I will say if you walk in a forest without a trail or clear landmarks, you will walk in circles bc one foot steps heavier than the other. Is it possible that aldmeris is just beyond reach? Also if the sloads can sink their island, could psijic level elves also do that in aldmeris?
@@auru1325 honestly I was thinking of something slightly adjacent. What if Aldmeris was a Kalpa where the elves were dominant, and Auriel was the Shor equivalent, (not necessarily dead, betrayed, punished, whatever, but was the world anchor, and Padomaic.)
The Elves from that Kalpa, and the men from that Kalpa are inherently different to the men and elves from the "Tamriel/Nirn" Kalpa, and after the Kalpa ended, and the Dawn Age Reset happened, some of them remained in Tamriel as an echo, as opposed to "respawning" in Summerset and Atmora. That's how we get the Dwemer and Nedes, and others, who were just kind of already in Tamriel.
I want to say an obscure book somewhere in the franchise had said something along those lines, that Aldmeris was just a collection of origin stories for the merfolk (and to a lesser extent, Atmora for the humans)
Theory
left handed elves had a ocean faring empire not a desert one.
It's said that it was four times bigger then the septum from in maps I've seen there's only islands but on ocean empire could easily be four times bigger then any landmass. I've heard that they had sand magic and were masters of desert warfare this could be a misunderstanding like cyrodiil being a jungle. oceans are classified as deserts because of precipitation levels and pulled sand from underwater to make new land would be a useful skill. Redguards or the ra gada were said to have had ships better then any on tamriel at the time of their landing why would a sand desert people know how to sail on water or were they a people living in sand ships sailing over the dunes
If there is anything to ponder about the left handed elves, it's the facts of the matter bc didn't the yokudans Hate them? So history being written by the victor could be propaganda. Kinda how left handed people used to be considered evil bc of religious views. The word sinister means left handed, but it's used as a synonym for evil
The new aesthetic gives the lads a much more godly appearance, which fits quite nicely in my opinion.
I still think it would be dope to give these fellas (and imperial knowledge, lady scrolls, etc.) console commands in ESO, essentially giving them godhood in game. There is no LORE BASED immersion (for me) in ESO, but the SCODREMI (like ALMSIVI) flying around Elsweyr would make the game feel more immersive in the sense of playing alongside the community
I always forget that I have my Sunday elder scrolls podcast waiting for me. Thank you for your constant work!
Trippin...
I've been watching your edited videos for years and never seen you guys before..Not sure how I didn't know about the podcasts.
Seville "the vampire" court wizard is imo like Brendan Fraser's wife in the mummy movies. I believe she's the reincarnation off the wolf queen meant to be possessed and inhabited by the wolf queen assuming you didn't disrupt the ritual process of resurrecting her.
About mantling and the idea that worship is what gives power to the aedra/daedra. Mantling occurs when a human becomes more similar to the god's image in the believers' heads than the god him/herself and the "worship energy" goes to the mantler instead of the previous incarnation of the god. This also means that to resist mantling, gods have to change themselves to be like what their worshippers believe, which explains how various gods change depending on the time period and who worships them.
Akatosh is essentially one big retcon across all of tamrielic history. He's the combination of two completely disparate gods in Auriel and Alduin (only alike in that they are both the enemies of Shor/Shezzar/Lorkhan), and although Oblivion and Skyrim definitely prove he exists now, he only came into existence with the Alessian dragon break. But that also means there were dragonborn *before* Akatosh came to exist.
Personally, I think mantling can create new aspects of a god that can coexist but doesn't actually replace them. Those aspects can develop into individuals some may not recognize as a single being.
I feel like the writers of elderscrolls modeled the story after an occult esoteric perspective of our actual history. Which could inspire us fans to give consideration to anything that could contest mainstream academia.
Thats awesome man. 🤔😄
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@@louiscachet7681 ayyee 😄
Since Atmoria went from a forested continent to a frozen continent, and Skyrim once had “distant green summers” and seems colder than it used to, perhaps global cooling is going on, and that’s why Cyrodiil went from having jungles to having temperate plains and forests.
That could be an artifact of HOW Tiber Septim changed the past, through such means that have other effects. Idk
On Urags age, literally another Mages line in the College goes "What you learn here will last you a lifetime. Several if you are talented." He definitely is just a talented mage
I have a theory that I think is worth reading and talking about further, I think that the neravarene is actually a shezarene so that means so was neravar , and that's why we were able to destroy the heart of lorkan because we were lorkan kind of. So I think that lorkan kind of killed himself so the gods wouldn't try to anymore, and is hiding with azura, also since technically the neravarene is still alive the heart of lorkan is too.
I do have a question that maybe could be new video, Is their any lore on Thaddeus cosmo, you meet him in nchuthnkarst dungeon in eso, he’s like a time traveller dude and you help him fix a Dwemer machine that keeps teleporting enemies through time
I'm 90% sure Thaddeus will show up in a future chapter where according to his view of time, he has yet to meet the vestige.
Also, like collectors and zoos, the time distortion seems like a cheap way to reuse old enemy assets in places where they don't belong.
One theory of mine is that Meridia is from a previous Kalpa. I think she was a magna ge in a previous cycle, so that fact is still technically true, but I think she was cast out for consorting with illicit spectra (Molag Bal, if I had to guess) and that resulted in her not being a magna ge in this cycle, but rather, a daedric prince by the more typical definition. (That being, not taking part in creation)
Miraak or Herma Mora are the ones sending the " Letters from a Friend", Miraak, because he wants you to be a proper challenge to him and Mora because he wants you to become the second most powerful being in his service.
I think the letters come from Hadvar or Ralof they both go missing after Riverwood until several missions into the civil war quest arch. Either one could researching the locations of word walls
I’ve personally subscribed to the idea that it’s just a guard ( you know, the people adventuring before we showed up). Once the rumors pass along, they write a letter to you about all sorts of weird places that only someone driven to adventure would have found.
Isnt it delphine? She does sign the horn of Jurgen windcaller letter with "-a friend"
its just a theory but i think all of creation club mods are canon and therefore jyggalag is building his power and will return as a deadric lord in the next es game
to explain a little with the saints and seducers mod you get to see a mad wizard try to bring the isles to tamriel and is almost successful and since sheogorath and jyggalag are separate deadra again i believe jyggalag would be trying to establish his power again but the other deadra lords are searching for him so he has to be careful and that's why we don't see him in skyrim
This reminds me of a very lengthy theory that I have! To put it short, The Dwemer have been stuck in another dimension/time displaced this whole time! Whatever is left of Jyggalag has been roaming around the Waters of Oblivion since the ending of the Shivering Isles DLC. Both Jyggalag AND the Dwemer somehow find one another. In exchange for "helping" the Dwemer get back to Mundus, one, to take back what they once had, they build Jyggalag a new body, out of Aetherium, or a combo of that and Dwemer metal. I think the REAL plot of Elder Scrolls 6 will be The Greymarch starting in Tamriel and the return of the Dwemer! They have the technology to pull it off, and Jyggalag has the power and knowledge to complete it! EVERYONE will have to put aside their petty bs, and unite to try to save the entire Elder Scrolls universe, because we all know he will NOT stop until EVERYTHING is conquered by Order! The Dwemer think they are getting the god they always wanted, that is reason and logic personified! They can NEVER be more wrong! Jyggalag will turn pretty much the entire Dwemer race into Knights and Priests of Order! Aetherius will be in deep s%#@! Some of the Divines will be turned or killed out right, while the strongest have to run for what life they have left, for the time being! The Great Obolisk may pop up in the Isle of Arteaum! They will have to send off the Eye of Magnus somewhere, so he won't get a hold of it! ALL the mortal people of Mundus and the Daedric Princes must come together to fight the most bat-s%#@ war EVER! They may visit Dryus, because other than Sheogorath himself, no one else knows the horror Jyggalag can really cause! The people of Mundus thought the Oblivion Crisis was bad, that will be NOTHING compared to the full-scale destruction of potentially all of creation! Like I said, this is just a short part of my theory! IF I'm right, this will be the most INSANE Elder Scrolls game yet!
@@marystone860 shit that's cool I knew the dwemer were somewhere out there but this makes it make even more sense
The first theory makes sense considering Oblivion I'm pretty sure mentions that an orc of a certain age is sent out to battle to die an honorable death
Not to mention the random encounter in Skyrim with the old orc looking for a good death
This only explains the men. You don't hear about the female blacksmithes dying young for glory in battle.
That’s really only with the tribalistic/traditional orcs though, but what about the more cosmopolitan orcs? Wouldn’t their long lifespan be common in a society like the Empire?
Just brewed my coffee! Perfect timing! Have a nice Sunday all! ☕️
[Molag Bal psychological mantling]
Molag Bal is not the way he is because he was hurt in the past, as sugested in a previous podcast. Rather, a mortals past can metaphysicly resonate with Molag Bal, and thus they inherit more of his sphere.
Theory: Drew is a member of the Anglo Vampyrum, masquerading as an Aussie to pull the strings of the podcast.
As an Anglo Vampire his powers are being able to blind prey with the reflectiveness of his pasty skin, control the minds of the masses into forming orderly queues, and can transform any base metal into a perfectly brewed cup of English Breakfast Tea.
You've convinced me
Really digging the new visual style of the set up, been watching these since day one. Keep up with amazing content as I'm sure you will. Looking forward to more stuff, take it easy guys!
The Tribunal + Dagoth Ur are anticipations of the house of troubles instead of the Good Daedra. The Tribunal rose up against their king and killed him (Mehrunes), establishing themselves as the dominant race in Morrowind (Molag Bal), and acquiring an incredible amount of strength (Malacath). Dagoth Ur himself went mad (Sheogorath), as did Almalexia. Almalexia also desired to remain in her dominant position, Sotha Sil wanted to create a new order with the clockwork city but he didn’t care about being the ruler of it or was at the very least prepared for it to work without him, and Vivec allegedly left to seek the Heart and maintain his power.
Dagoth also uses his powers/ash statues to drive people to madness.
Hot Take: Information from Akavir is taken too literally.
> Tsaesci aren't any more "snake people" than the sea elves who use snake magic. They are a race of men who assimilated, "ate", all other human races on Akavir.
> The Kamal aren't literally frozen solid and attack when they "thaw out". They only attack the island nation of Tang Mo during warmer months when there isn't ice in their cold water ports.
> Tosh Raka of the Ka Po' Tun isn't literally a dragon, but instead he has become Dragonborn.
Lol
Tosh raka is a dragon tiger bro deal with it
@@Angelo-nd4lg It only says that in one unreliable book.
@@badluck5647 don't care tosh raka is goat aka
@@Angelo-nd4lg nope
Not a lore theory but elder scrolls related. I remember hearing some time back that they were waiting for technology to advance to start development on TES6, with what I'm currently hearing about Japan developing half- dive systems, it's my belief that as soon as full- dive is available for game development or otherwise a an oculus replacement, we will soon see the release of Skyrim as a sort of beta test to see how the system is liked with an already popular game, followed by TES6 a few years later
I just wanted to say. In the last 2 weeks your guy’s thumbnails have been SO GOOD. If that’s any indication towards how your content is going to go, ill be glad to wait another week for podcasts.
a Sunday with no elder scrolls pod is the definition of existential dread, lol much love keep killing it guys 🔥
10:05 Counter-theory: Urag used to be M'aiq but Rajhin stole that aspect from him
Yay thank you for making my morning better! This was just what I wanted/ needed. Love the new format!
Its 6am, in running off of 2 hours of sleep, im high asf and i drank a coffee right now. Hit me with that good podcast
Same!
Felt this in my soul 😂
Coffee, bowl, and a fudgemuppet podcast. Sounds ideal.
Relatable Content!
Drugs are bad
Going to miss the weekly podcasts, but will still love the bi-weekly episodes. I hope you guys talk about more theories in the future, whether in a podcast or video, here is mine if you do more. I hope you guys look at it, I think it’s interesting.
“The reason the Nords no longer follow the old gods is because they are similar to the Native Americans here in the United States. Over time, large parts of their culture was lost due to pressure from white settlers. Over time, those who remembered the old traditions died off, unable to continue the oral traditions. In this way, the Nords slowly lost their old culture and traditions, as it was largely oral. By the time of Skyrim, the Nords we see have little of their old culture, merely the reverence for the history of the Companions, swears in Shor’s name, and Soverngarde. All lost culture was due to Imperial pressure, war against elves, leading to hatred of magic as elves are inherently magical, and simply time over thousands of years.”
Let’s be honest, guys, the Daedric Lord of Cringe would be Clavicus Vile. Not because he is cringe, but because he’s the only one who would know what cringe is, and he would punish those who would dare commit it. Even, possibly, other daedric lords.
Thank you Fudgemuppet for another fabulous lesson in Elder Scrolls lore & stuff! 💙💙💙
48:46 the shivering isles is more pleasant then tiktok
Yeah just gonna repost this until it get's mentioned.
The lore implies that some of the aedra are parental figures for some of the others.
I believe that their spheres of influence intentionally crossover to back this up.
For example; Akatosh who represents time is the father of Arkay, as the cycle of life to death takes time, and his mother is Mara, as love in time creates new life.
Mara is also mother to Stendar, who is full of mercy, but being the apologist of man, his father is Shezzar (which is why mara is associated with both akatosh and shor) who is the forefather of man.
Shezzar is also father to Zenithar (notice his sons carry his namesake) as people are required for crafting and mercantile, just like material components, provided by Kynareth.
Kynareth is associated with Zenithar in his Knights of the Nine quest, which implies that people cannot create anything let alone trade it, if Kynareth doesn't first supply them with materials such as iron and stone.
Unfortunately, Dibella and Julianos don't fit into this as comfortably, with my best link being beauty comes from nature (kyne) and creative intelligence, entering julianos' sphere.
On another note, they way I distinguish Y'ffre and Kyne who both represent nature, is that Kyne represents inanimate nature, like the wind, sea and stone, while Y'ffre represents living nature, such as animals and trees, which both require mating... speaking of, Dibella and Y'ffre both appreciate art and music... what a coincidence.
It would be really interesting to do a podcast episode on warfare in Tamriel, like what makes war in the elder scrolls unique or the various tactics and strategies of different cultures.
I think the Kings and Generals channel is doing that.
@@badluck5647 I like the wizards and warriors series, but they understandably only go over the major events in broad strokes. I think that fudgemuppet excels at the minor details that are normally missed.
i have also been thinking about the Hero of Kvatch as potentially Shezarrine:
The Champion of Cyrodiil is not a “great example of a nobody character that isn’t some grand destiny God-ling”. The Champion of Cyrodiil, Hero of Kvatch, Savior of Bruma, is a Shezarrine.
I started thinking about this as a lame headcanon to make my CoC relevant next to the Dragonborn and Nerevarine, but then I really got to thinking about the implications of the KotN DLC, and what a Shezarrine actually is and does.
If what Mankar Camoran said about Nirn being Lorkhan’s (I’ll call him Shor from here on out because I like that name more and also because that’s what his actual worshippers all call him) equivalent of a realm of Oblivion, which, if you wanna get into what a realm of Oblivion technically is, which is a world sitting on the void created/ruled by a really powerful Et’Ada (the various Aedra, gods and Daedra are all these Et’Ada/‘original spirits’, the distinction between Aedric and Daedric by nature is artificial and elf-made. They probably align themselves between Anuic and Padomaic. And Shor/Lorkhan is super Padomaic.) then Nirn technically counts, it’s just not numbered among the realms of Oblivion because the inhabitants of Nirn don’t consider themselves Aedra or consider Shor to be the proper Daedric prince of the realm. Even dead, Shor has been seen or said to still be able to exert his will, and I can’t think of a better reason to send a Shezarrine than to prevent Shor’s realm from being taken over by another Et’Ada. (Also there’s the whole save the Empire and the Dragonborn thing, and I have my own theory on the connections between Dragonborn and Shezarrine, and whether or not it was really “Akatosh” who made the covenant with Alessia and gave her the Red Diamond, and should be the patron god of the Empire, here’s a hint, it was our Shor boy again)
On top of that, which I feel is already at least solid ground for a decently plausible if mostly subtextual headcanon, we have the events of the Knights of the Nine DLC, and we get to talk about my single favorite Elder Scrolls character ever period. Pelinal “Bad Mothafucka” Whitestrake.
Pelinal, obviously a Shezarrine, might also be either a rad weird crystal golem man or a sweet Terminator reference, either way, the only person really being remotely confirmed as a Shezarrine in the lore. I can get into Wulfharth, who was also Dovahkiin, but not the time or place. He’s so deeply connected to the Nords (the only group that puts Shor as top of the divine totem pole, and, by extension from the Nords, all of humanity), and to Shor, and the Red Diamond itself. But you collect all of big homie’s gear, and then kill Umaril for good, the thing that Pelinal himself couldn’t do during his life.
Basically, wearing Pelinal’s armor, finishing Pelinal’s quest, and then being the sword arm of closing shut the jaws of Oblivion.
If you draw the connection between Martin and Alessia, and the CoC and Pelinal, it’s almost a really obvious subtext.
The only problems are the questions of whether a Shezarrine is Shor himself incarnating into a mortal body, or a mortal champion guided, aided and influenced by the will and might of Shor, or maybe somewhere in between.
If a Shezarrine is the literal avatar and incarnation of Shor in mortal form, then the Shivering Isles ending ruins it altogether, unless there’s some non-stretchy evidence in the novels or in Skyrim that I missed that states that Shor became Sheogorath (Sheorgorath? Combining the old (Direnni era old) Breton name for Shor “Sheor” with Sheogorath iiiiis pretty easy).
If a Shezarrine is just a cool dude that Shor expresses his will through, which is the theory I tend to operate on, then yeah, it at least makes sense in my little chimp
I actually kind of like the idea of M'aiq being Mike Kirkbride, lol.
Theory: We, humans of this world, are descendants of the Dwemer. Long ago our ancestors created a new existence and vanished from Nirn. We now only have Elder Scrolls because only a few people now have the lore etched into their mind (the writers) and even they think it's their fiction that they dreamt about but it's actually fragments of memories passed on through genetics by some powerful Dwemer ancestors.
I really like the new setup/background. Those florescent squares were a bit harsh on the eyes. This just looks better to me.
Theory: Shor corrupted Alduin
Alduin was going to fullfil his role as World Eater, but upon entering Sovngarde to devour the souls of the dead, Shor (Lorkhan) corrupted him into becoming a tyrant over the Nords so he could have more time to gather the souls of strong Nord warriors so he could win in the next fight with Akatosh (Auriel). The longer Alduin could be kept from ending the Kalpa, the more time Shor would have to prepare for his revenge against the god who killed him and stole his creation.
After Alduin started ruling the Nords, Shor had Kyne, one of the gods that was on his side during the Dawn, convince Paarthurnax to help the Nords learn the Thu'um so that they might kill him and delay the end of the Kalpa even longer, perhaps he even gave the idea to banish Alduin with the Elder Scroll to Felldir as a backup plan in case they couldn't pull it off. This didn't actually end up getting rid of him, but it did buy Shor even more time to gather Nord souls for the next battle by casting him thousands of years into the future.
I think you guys are on to something with the dwemer trapped in the heart (I believe its black and red)
Both the orc discussion at the beginning and the canon discussion at the end can be answered with the same thought-
The actual developers working on the literal games don't care about this stuff and just write whatever the hell they want without worrying about these details, so these little contradictions and ideas of canon don't ultimately matter
everybody knows that already
LMAO I swear the Mike the liar theory is hilarious and genius, shit it's canon to me now
Well the fact is that we actually do know that Orcs can live longer than they typically do. The Old Orc that you encounter, part of the dialogue you can tell him is that he appears to still be a vital and capable warrior. He tells you that you’re right and that’s why he should seek a good death now. He was a real dirty thirties looking kinda guy. So the idea is there that orcs typically die younger. Not their maximum life span. They view living to have your hair gray and fall as unbecoming. The goal is to die good before that happens! But we still don’t quite know how long they can live. The Orcish librarian is certainly being kept alive by mage BS. No doubt. And if they do have the life span of humans as the Nordic interpretation of Malacath implies then it would be like a dark age human kinda life span right? Could live 80-100 years but they usually die around 30 cause of the brutality their way of life demands. They don’t live like imperials, ya know.
The whole Bar’Dau meteor issue reminds me of Damocles’ Sword.
The difference is one is a threat to the ruler, while the other is a threat to the ruled.
So what you're saying is....that Mannimarco is an entrepreneur? Gotta have that Mannimarco grindset
Ideal masters also have their souls in gems, they're red not black... amulet of kings is also red.
I've been going with that fallout theory for awhile. Vaults would explain the huge number of cave systems in ES and why a group of subterranean dwellers ended up with technology so advanced compared to their contemporaries. That it might as well have been magic. There's really only a couple of methods I can think of to get past the largest hurdle between the two being 1. The moon or should I say moons. Somehow we added a moon. Current theory about the first time that happened. Suggests the earth collided with another planet. So how do we accomplish this without destroying the world....that's a actual destruction of world btw. Not the "we used a bunch of nukes" or "we made it warmer" destroying the world.
1. No moon was added. The one there previously was broken in two by some means.
2. Civilization bounces back in a huge way in fallout. Science so advanced that it would seem like magic to us. Including the capability of bringing back an additional moon from space.
3. Same as 2 just replacing humans with those damn aliens from fallout.
4. Something Lovecraftian. I'll leave the specifics to those familiar with the source material. I am not. I do know there are references to his work in ES. And I think we've probably all seen what's at the bottom of the "dunwich borers" mine in fallout4.
Honestly doubt that there actually is a connection. That doesn't make it any less fun trying to figure out how it could be done.
The dawnguard dlc should have been the main quest of Skyrim. The vampires as an enemy would have been way better of an enemy than alduin
"It COULD BE canon" is a better way to word a theory about something like Coda.
Something to take away from the soul gem theory is that every main game besides skyrim revolves around incredibly powerful soul gems that often allow for apotheosis, what the implications are I don't know.
It's possible to argue the Dragonborn is themself a sort of soul gem for dragons. And it could sort of lead to apotheosis, if you imagine trapping a dragon soul is like absorbing their piece of the Aka oversoul into your own, gradually growing it to godlike proportions.
I heard about the Ideal Masters through a Skyrim mod that ads new books to the world, and I thought they were just fan-made short stories?
What are the Ideal Masters exactly?
They are the beings who made the Soul Cairn, so they can live (or at least exist) forever there.
@@Mary_Beth_Reimer Damn I see! I thought they were some kind of Daedra, the stories I read always ended in characters making deals with the Ideal Masters and falling victim to them...
Thanks for the insight 👌
@@GunterThePenguinHatesHugs in fairness they do kinda operate like Daedric Princes, but if I remember correctly, they were originally mortals.
Play Dawnguard
About the types of soul gems, when I played Morrowind and killed Vivek, I ended up soul trapping him and putting him into a ring.... There was no black soul gems in Morrowind
What if all of the races are champions of other kalpa cycles and Tamriel is the “arena” for them
What if the main characters are becoming gods in the future and as a result they are retroactively effecting time causing all of their actions, regardless of separate timelines, to be true, hence the dragonbreak. What if after every game there is a dragonbreak but some are much more noticeable than others aka the warp in the west. Plus there is evidence that suggest that most of the main characters are immortal after their games. Nerevarine surviving through corpus, HoK becoming sheogorath, Dragonborn becoming a servant to H.Mora.
Corpses are NOT static. They go thru constant change until they are completely consumed and recycled. Hail sithis, brothers: lorkahn is the great liberator
I know it’s just the Viking aesthetic but I have a lore theory about why Nords wear horns on there helmets. So most depictions of lorkhan (mostly out of source no canon depiction) have him as this horned devil figure. I always made my head canon that the Nords wanting to embody there hero god took up his likeness by putting horns on there helmet. It could also be dragons but I always liked this idea more.
Theory: Peryite is an essential worker. When Jyggalag was cursed by the other Princes, Peryite took up essential functions under Jyggylag's domain that would have been left unattended without him, which is on-brand for him being the Taskmaster.
With Jyggalag essentially absent for most of history, his sphere would've gone without Princely oversight, which is probably desirable to the Princes who had him cursed. But this leaves the possibility that many essential functions related to "Order" would go defunct, leading to chaos in on Mundus.
The other Princes may have known this, and decided to give a small part of Jyggalag's sphere to a new and nonthreatening entity, the weakest Prince, Peryite. Or perhaps Peryite saw Jyggalag's sphere attended, and grabbed a small chunk for himself, small enough that the other Princes weren't concerned about him becoming a new threat.
This works with Peryite being the Taskmaster, who handles the things no one else will do, and perhaps scraped together his own Princely sphere.
This works with the theory that Peryite is depicted as a dragon because he's mocking Akatosh or he's going to be head of the pantheon in the next Kalpa (I forget where I heard that from but it was somewhere lore-related, might've been you guys lol). Peryite could aspire to control more of Jyggalag's sphere, using his current nonthreatening position to quietly accumulate more power. If Jyggalag was powerful enough to scare all the Daedra, he was likely more powerful than the Aedra too, so if Peryite was ready, a new Kalpa would give him a good chance to challenge the Aedra & Daedra.
This theory is from the view that Peryite's "Natural Order" and Jyggalag's "Perfect Order" aren't actually that different. I think the natural order of plague and pestilence would have to be included in Order more broadly. Jyggalag has the sphere of Order, and he has "Perfect Order" because he himself is a perfectionist, and Peryite's "natural order" manifests a lot as plague and pestilence because he just likes gross stuff.
You guys are great, thanks for all the work you put into this channel and the community!
And I've got a related sub-theory under this one if you'd like to check it out
Sub-theory: There are many lesser Princes running around Oblivion, and Peryite used to be one of them.
Peryite is notably referred to as the Weakest Prince. Other than Jyggalag, we don't usually get any insight into the varying power levels between the Daedric Princes. Perhaps Peryite is truly the Weakest Prince because he's the Newest Prince, or the weakest of the Greater Daedric Princes (the 17 we are familiar with). Peryite could've been a lower Prince, who as a Taskmaster, was able to scrape together his own sphere of influence great enough to rise in status. Maybe he grabbed "natural order" from Jyggalag's defunct sphere, or maybe the Greater Princes knew Peryite was a taskmaster and chose to promote him in return for handling some essential duties.
We only know about the main 17 Princes because they are "Greater", the most powerful, and thus have the most effect on Mundus. There may be a number of other autonomous Princes who are simply much less powerful. This works with the new lore about Fargrave and its forgotten Prince. That Prince was simply bodied by the much more powerful Dagon.
This also works with that one-off line Clavicus Vile says to the Dragonborn in Skyrim, that in his current state without Barbas the Dragonborn is almost as powerful as him. This always felt weird because even a half-powered Daedric prince should be able to body any mortal when it comes to flat-out power-level (this is getting dangerously close to Dragonball Z), even a max level Dragonborn. But perhaps Vile isn't far off from being a lesser Prince, maybe the 2nd Weakest of the Greater Princes.
If you made it all the way through both theories, congrats! You deserve an elder scrolls trophy. Remember to drink water, and have a nice day :)