Brother... Kizaru halted his movement and actions when he heard FUCKING APOO on sabaody... If Beckmanns begging of kizaru is somehow a feat, then i guess apoo is now relative to beckmann
Honestly, highest dif kizaru goes is mid dif. Name a single fighter who would still be in the fight after an accelerated kick that knocked the second fastest form of luffy that can fly off of Egghead instantly, through a barrier.
@@joe-k1t I just don’t agree. If luffy couldn’t recover from the accelerated kick without going G5, I doubt Marco would be able to do the same. The kick would send him off the island they’re fighting on and into the ocean. He’d succumb to drowning cuz DF. Victory by BFR.
@@bromous1446 Makes sense. I am a huge Marco fan though so makes sense why I have more confidence in him than the other commanders....but Rayleigh prime should be mid diff or a bit above.
If kizaru was trying so much against old Rayleigh then why didn't he use any of his moves against Rayleigh that he dud against g5 Luffy. Rayleigh stalled for 3 mins and is so wanked for it
@@lxfj2128 by that same logic if he could have just no diffed Rayleigh whenever he wanted then why didn’t he oh wait cause he couldn’t. Literally says he’d need a plan to take Rayleigh in
Yonkotard agenda... Gear 4 luffy was extremely relative to hybrid kaido Kizaru dispatched a stronger version of this luffy with A SINGLE ATTACK If kizaru was going all out against rayleigh here, then presumably rayleigh one shots kaido comfortably?
Luffy wasn’t using adv haki so no it wasn’t the gear 4 that kept up with kaido and kaido straight up low-mid diffed that gear 4 Bud had to pop out gear 5 and use both acoc and acoa at the same time yet was a extreme diff fight 💀
@@Prfctdtlz”someone who can be invisible to the naked eye” that applies to sanji too At no point have we seen kizaru invisible and any top tier moves ftl 💀 sanji is mftl via being MUCH faster then pre timeskip zoro who could dodge a light speed Kuma attack with ease while almost dead himself So Food Invisible Has a really good observation haki Ya sounds like sanji
Damn Kizaru glazing is wild in the comments someone even said he would beat them all at once lol In all seriousness though, I agree with your analysis for the most part, I just think Beckman should show more feats to be put above Kizaru, but he is close to his level nevertheless I may even put old Rayleigh above him now that he basically regained some of his stamina? swimming to Amzon island, training Luffy and using all 3 types of haki, and also don't forget that CoC wasn't that big of a deal pre-ts so Rayleigh wasn't able to use it canonically
First off let’s get some straight there are no title levels such as admiral level yonko level yc level there’s none of that because they are heavily inconsistent for example kuzan a yc2-yc3 for bb and shiryu is yc1 does that mean shiryu>kuzan or katakuri>kuzan no buggy is a yonko so does that mean buggy>zoro sanji kuzan no ok now that we got that out of the way let’s start scaling zoro and a bit of sanji to boost him up Admirals are relative to commanders due to the Marco statement in marineford databook that said he could fight on the same footing as the admirals making it a mid-high diff atleast many commanders such as sanji king and zoro scale much above Marco putting them on the same level as the admirals that’s just with Marco statements Zoro could blitz a big mom who was on Zeus and using haki and evade her with ease while Marco couldn’t blitz or dodge a big mom that wasn’t on Zeus not using haki meaning zoro alr blizts Marco who shown by bb without his Df is legit useless Zoro can cut fire which is essentially Marco’s Df immediately taking away 90% of Marco’s speed ap dc defense regen overall zoro>marco low diff in BASE due to him being able to dodge and blitz a a big mom who is a faster version of a big mom that could capture Marco and zoro can cut fire meaning he could cut Marco attack and speed blitz him That alone alr puts zoro above the admirals but im not done “Zoro is lucci rival “ First having long fights with someone doesn’t make you a rival to the person I could fight prime Mike Tyson for an 1 hour and after he decides to get serious and knocks me out with a single punch that wasn’t even one of his strongest punch he throws that’s the basic comparison between lucci and zoro and that would upscale lucci not downscale zoro He did equally was bad as kizaru 1 managed to hit luffy once by summoning many clones yet got 1 tapped another got 5 tapped People forget luffy was on the brink of passing out against lucci but say it’s a neg-no diff but for kizaru it was a extreme diff or a tie which makes no sense Luffy was exhausted cuz of his Df not kizaru The gear 4 that fought kizaru from what we know of wasn’t using any adv haki meaning that gear 4 is a kaku rival they had to jump a seraphim same gear 4 that got blizted and 1 tapped by base basic haki kaido who zoro could blitz and damage with acoa pre mastering Enma Kaido>admirals by a large margin Akainu got blizted by crocodile and couldn’t even hit him nor sense an angry 22 feet tall behemoth rushing towards and you wanna tell me the bum has future sight what happened in marineford is called Akainu has better armament than vista and Marco meaning. They can’t hit him as he has better haki he didn’t use adv armament never confirmed to be and the thing he used in marineford was the same thing sentomaru snake sisters and whole amazon lily used Crocodile got perception blizted by fatigued luffy in that same arc and against zoro is faster than post wci gear 4 due to blizting kaido meaning he would blizted that luffy who blizted crocodile who blizted Akainu also Akainu was getting stopped by Marco (who’s slower than zoro) and jimbei(who’s slower than zoro) constantly and most of them could evade akainu meaning Akainu ain’t touching or dodging zoro “SHANKS 1 TAPPED KIDD SO HE DOES THE SAME TO ZORO” For one he sneaked him who didn’t even have haki on he sliced his rail gun which blew up in his face For 2 zoro negs Kidd Zoro is stronger than shanks Dragon blaze is a physical attack just a strong slash and it cut the horns of onigashima be overpowered kaido in Ashura Kaido strength>primebeards strength according to ace novel Zoro gets strength Zoro is faster Shanks blizts kizaru who is slow as hell jit barely notice Marco knocking him down lol and blizts Kidd who barely has observation haki while zoro blizts kaido a future sight user big mom and king which is a better feat Zoro gets combat speed attack speed movement speed For reaction speed there’s no feats nor statements for shanks future sight isn’t reaction speed btw Zoro has a better reaction speed Armament haki Zoro has adv as ryuo is adv arm and the guy who gave Zoro Enma said Enma takes the users RYUO as it pleases so every time we saw it taking haki from Zoro it was ryuo Shanks hasn’t shown adv armament only adv observation and adv conqueres Zoro gets armament Endurance and durability we don’t even need to talk about this Zoro gets durability endurance Attack power Zoro 3 tap king with barely any haki left meaning current Zoro won’t waste acoa on king and just use acoc to 1 tap him Flames off king is more durable than kaido cuz Zoro could damage kaido with acoa but not king King>Kaidos durability>big mom>>>>kidd Zoro gets attack power Destruction capabilities Zoro gets it due to slicing the horn of onigashima slicing ships in half without using named attacks or haki someone shanks can’t do as far as we have seen Obs conq Shanks gets it due to feats and statements Now that we got that zoro got most of the things yet people try to act as if shanks blizts and taps him no diff We have used feats for the first part now we use narrative and potrayal and that is one piece ending soon in atleast 4-6 arcs zoro has to be strong enough on fight Mihawk between those arcs Mihawk should currently high diff zoro narratively cuz all zoro needs currently is future sight to match mihawks insane observation haki Zoro scales above big mom due to speed and big mom scales above shanks due to wano statement calling big mom and kaido the strongest yonko but we all know stronger and winning is different Shanks wins against big mom extreme diff Potrayal wise shanks is potrayed to still be the second strongest swordman after Mihawk So with feats zoro high diffs with narrative Zoro gets extreme diff with potrayal Zoro gets high diff now we use statements some databooks say shanks is powerful enough to fight the admirals and so is Marco in the same databooks Zoro scaling above Marco just like shanks just a bit farther than shanks due to him being able to cut fire and Marco whole thing is being fire Ok so both shanks and Zoro scale above Marco who’s scales near the admrials Conclusion shanks extreme diffs zoro which makes Mihawk high diff him which makes kaido mid diff him which would make sense due to Koh zoro>Ashura zoro who could clash with adv conq hybrid kaido Lucci Was stated that his df awakening gave him more savage meaning. He wasn’t thinking straight Didn’t use any named attacks against Luffy Took 4 named attacks Got up wayyy before Luffy and blizted 100% sentomaru =he was mentally nerfed and holding back and got low diffed at best Kizaru Has no reasons to be mentally nerfed against luffy Him holding back would only make Luffy stall him longer Couldn’t blizted injured sentomaru Got 1 shotted Twice =wasn’t mentally nerfed or holding back and got neg diff Zoro>Lucci>kizaru Zoro vs law and kid(2v1) For people who think zoro would lose easily cuz big mom lost then you should know zoro blizted big mom many times during rooftop he has movement speed reaction speed combat speed attack speed far above big mom has greater ap pre acoc Btw Koh zoro>Ashura zoro during rooftop who was clashing with hybrid kaido with 30 bones broken Kings durability far surpasses big mom flames off which is his least durable state due to big moms durability being inferior to kaido who zoro with acoa could damage kaido but not flames off king putting flames off kings durability above kaido zoro acoc which he could use any time now 3 tapped king meaning he could do serious damage to kaido meaning he could to extreme damage to big mom and he can blitz her even harder due to the fact acoc made him faster Zoro>big mom that fought kaido for 3 days>big meme that fought kid and law Basically the fight starts and zoro blizts and 1 taps useless midd than does the same to law he ain’t big mom he is much faster with much more ap Basically Koh zoro overall>base kaido~=big mom>big meme>kidd and law Remember they had to use kaidos bombs and couldn’t even knock her out CONCLUSION Zoro= or loses to shanks extreme diff making him lose high-extreme to Mihawk making him get mid diff by kaido and mid-High diff by luffy which makes sense as we are in the final arc we can’t have Zoro getting neg diff by Mihawk or shanks when there’s probably 3-4 arcs left Confirmed elbaf confirmed final war and probably 2 others so Luffy finds one piece Zoro beats Mihawk and for those saying luffy/kaido isn’t stronger than shanks one piece magazine vol 14 confirms kaido is the strongest in history that puts him above Mihawk and above shanks
Shiryu and Kat downplay is wild here. Shiryu is an ex warden of impel down, who Magellen served and we have seen what magellen can do, not to mention its more than 2 years later atp and he got a df now. Kat is gently tucking ulti and page one together for that matter into the dirt. Ion know where this ulti hype came from but let's keep it realistic
@quandaviousgooch4726 bruh you the one bringing up yonko 🤣 what kinda reading comprehension you lacking that makes you think "down play is crazy" = yonko 🤣.
Can you explain to me how Ulti has a chance against Katakuri? The Katakuri power creep argument is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. Ulti rushes Katakuri he easily dodges that shit with future sight because he is fast enough to fight on par with WCI Snakeman Luffy who is definitely faster than Ulti. He then ties her up with Mochi and suffocates her or traps her and starts wailing on her with attacks until she gets knocked out. The end. I have never seen power scaling be as bad with the Katakuri vs Ulti debate. No context is used whatsoever with any of the points brought up in that argument. The most surface level scaling possible.
Real BASE Luffy blitzed her hybrid form lol Sure he’s stronger than the base Luffy Kat fought, but Kat should be faster than Ulti by far And Luffy oneshot Page one without ryuo and with g3 Comparison: raidsuit Sanji with all his amps couldn’t even put him down lol Ulti then grabbed him while he was focused on page one(not a feat) and Luffy saying he needed g4 wasn’t a feat THEY LITERALLY SHAT THEIR PANTS WHEN THEY SENSED HIS HAKI And I could explain why needing g4 doesn’t mean anything but y’all should know
@@ashlol1839 Spit dude, you are right. I am so tired of this argument. Scaling like it's DBZ. The reason he wanted to use G4 is because he was caught in Zoan form Ulti's grip and wanted to avoid as much damage as possible before he got to Kaido on the rooftop. The quickest way for that was going G4 to break out. It doesn't matter if you are the stronger fighter when you are caught in a grapple. It is still tough to break out of a hold. And Ulti isn't physically weak. She is an Ancient Zoan. And like you said base Luffy literally blitzed her immediately after.
@@xxlspat3146 why does he have better AP than Luffy without his bajrang gun he did permeant damage to the same enemy’s as G5 Luffy. Maybe if you wanna say ACOC G5 has better AP you’d have a case but even then we don’t know
@@sbthesage no Zoro didn't. Kaido held back a HUGE amount here He got damaged by ryou Luffy in his full dragon and his hybrid 1 form (same forms he used against gear 5 acoc Luffy). Kaido just always holds back enough against a character, that they can have a fight. And he does that in all stats
So basically, Kizaru smokes tf out all of them except Rayleigh. A lot of people assume whoever has higher AP automatically wins and don’t weigh other stats as seriously, which is just a stupid logic to have in a world as wonky and unpredictable as one piece.
@@sbthesage NAH u doin to much u are way over estimating zoro waaay bc with this mindset are u suggesting zoro can defeat kaido on his own much like how luffy did? Also are suggesting that he is just as strong a Ben beckman or are u saying kizaru is weaker than Ben Beckman
@@sbthesage I guess u have a point yes zoro's Ap is insane and I am assuming u are using the fact that he cut kaido as big part of your point for this as well but let's not forget zoro cut kaido bc of the Conquerors that he unlocked which he doesnt know how to control yet might I add also I believe in fights weapons and difference in fighting style play a crucial role luffy uses his fist , zoror uses swords now lets be fr here fist arent gonna cut anyone or scar anyone but yk what can a sword amd yes u lewve the argument that fist can bruise sure but bruises and cuts and two different things more than likely in every fight zoro would be able to cut someone and injure someone faster than puffy can bc he has swords and I honestly don't believe I need to go further with this Also to further my argument about the conquerors. Haki according to luffy the seraphim have durability comparable to kaido how is it that zoro couldn't injure them I will tell u it's because he couldn't use the conquerors haki which gave him a huge boost in the attack he did on kaido I mean obviously he wasn't going all out but I still think proves my point his Ap really isn't all u say it is and also let's look at this way luffy was actually taking down kaido with his attacks zoro didn't even have kaido on 1 knee and according to zoro kaido didn't even flinch which honestly just proves to me that zoro's Ap is amazing and I am not doubting that it might be close to luffy but more than luffy or on the same level bsfr HOWEVER IF I AM WRONG PLEASE FEEL FREE TO PROVE SO
Kizaru was fighting a snakeman without acoc or fs It’s not an antifeat to Kaido as Luffy could split the sky with his coc🤣 Oh and KIZARU GLAZED LUFFY’S AP And he even reacted to Kizaru’s faster than light kick with no observation, complaining about the barrier damage more than it And Asura is never near g5 Base crude acoc Luffy downed Kaido in two hits Something Asura Zoro wanted to do but couldn’t Already the sword vs fist dilemma is the perfect counter to this And vs Lucci Zoro was using koh and was wheezing like water Plus with help from duraneg couldn’t knock Lucci out But Luffy without adv haki pieced that cat to stating he lost consciousness Never downscale to upscale And Luffy was able to push this Kaido to go all out for the first time in years
@@ashlol1839 holy hell this barley readable Just because Luffy knocked kaido down means nothing knocking someone down does not equal AP Moreover Zoro wheezing during his fight with Lucci also means absolutely nothing he still blitzed and one shot lucci when using ACOC and did more damage than gear 5 Luffy did with Armament Haki
@@sbthesage but still Lucci acknowledged Luffy’s ap by stating what kind of power is this in the anime and for the manga I’m not sure but he said he was losing consciousness For Zoro’s own it didn’t knock him out of hybrid form, and with help from duraneg he was still conscious The argument that Lucci was up quickly doesn’t make sense, he was medically treated lol
@@erosensei-hy9ml no Kizaru glazed his ap lol He also reacted to his faster than light kick and said the barrier did more damage He literally said he almost died
Some people really think kizaru can beat mihawk. The guy who would always fight with the emperor shanks in equal footing and we know shanks made kizaru his lil scared b**tch during the red film movie…
I do feel like for Rayleigh, Kizaru was winning in Sabaody bc of the stamina and it was perfectly even before Rayleigh got tired, Prime Rayleigh would have better stamina and physical strength but the difference shouldn’t be as big as Garp as Rayleigh regularly works out like swimming in the calm belt while Garp is a lazy bum who eats snacks all the time but Kizaru would also be stronger now than he was in the pre time skip like literally every other character so it’s still up in the air but close nonetheless, Kizaru blitzed Sanji who’s faster than Zoro so Kizaru Blitzes Zoro, can tank Luffy’s attacks without armament haki so Zoro isn’t doing shit yet Kizaru can easily injure Luffy with smaller and weaker attacks than his top attacks shown in the series so he can definitely damage Zoro (as if that wasn’t obvious) so Kizaru just blitzes him repeatedly and eventually kills him, maybe even in one shot if Zoro doesn’t protect himself with armament since Kizaru definitely hits harder than King and Zoro said he’d die if he didn’t use armament against him, Beckman really needs feats cuz his best actual feat is taking a during time skip Kidd’s arm off, Beckman has potential due to how strong he should be eventually and cuz his interactions with Kizaru however I also have some proof as to why Kizaru is possibly relative to or even stronger than Shanks at which point Kizaru beats Beckman with ease since he’d be stronger than his captain
Imo you got the Rayleigh section completely wrong firstly you used the sentomaru statement completely out of context sentomaru was only referring to one instance where Kizaru was trying to run and Rayleigh cut his cheek that’s it secondly Kizaru is in not in the position where he feels he’s he’s in urgent need to get past him the strawhats are literally getting fodderized by sentomaru and the pacifista and the only reason why they were able to escape was because of kuma who he didn’t know was going to do that and we know he noticed this by him saying my men are strong while fighting Rayleigh who is the one who states himself that he wants to do more and is the only one huffing and puffing and sweating meanwhile kizaru tone is calm the whole time which sandman a P translated himself which leads into my other point that he was massively holding back and clearly not exerting himself at all which is shown by him casually sparring with a swordsman using a sword and I know this is a named attack but that doesn’t mean he’s going all out especially when he can create clones that all have light swords that can be useful to overwhelm Rayleigh on top of that you have him having eye beams at his disposal that he could use while clashing with as well as using his main thing speed is power his acceleration that he used on snake man and there’s nothing stopping him from using it in many different ways and even if he took out his frustration on 500 even though we saw the contrary during the fight that still wouldn’t mean that it was because he “couldn’t get past Rayleigh) it most likely was because of the unexpected interference from kuma and keep in mind Rayleigh is implied to maintain strength in old age in sbs vol 82 aswell as data book which is not directly contradicted by the by first these all being knowledge claims and played off as comedic scenes aswell as the fact that is would still be consistent with him saying that his year is caught up to him, he could very well be referring to his stamina and due to old age so his strength would drop faster over the course of the fight plus he’s rusty but Kizaru with the evidence provided is clearly holding back and not exerting himself while Rayleigh is going all out on top of the fact that luffy just caught with Rayleigh and imo kizaru scales above him would put kizaru above prime Rayleigh high diff
Kizaru Mid-diffs Zoro Kizaru Low-diffs King Kizaru Low-diffs Katakuri Kizaru Mid-diffs Marco I think, Kizaru and Benn BecKman are close but Kizaru is stronger. Also Kizaru wasn't even trying against Rayleigh. You know that Man is lazy and he is on copium most of the time.
@@aquaphoenix200 wdym it's not related in power "at all". If shanks is heard bc of his power which gives him influence, then isn't someone who is comparable to him must be strong and has almost as much influence as him?
The only reason Kizaru didn't defeat Rayleigh at Sabaondy is because he didn't need to. He came to capture the strawhat, however Rayleigh came. His job wasn't to capture Rayleigh or fight Rayleigh. I mean we saw during his confrontation with Rayleigh that when he found an opening to avoid the fight and complete his mission (capturing the strawhat) Rayleigh prevent him to do so. So saying that Rayleigh and Kizaru were equals when Kizaru wasn't going all out and Rayleigh already shown sign of fatigue, it is clear that Kizaru is above old Rayleigh. Now can prime Rayleigh defeat Kizaru ? Maybe, maybe not. I have no reason to put prime Rayleigh above Kizaru or any admirals for that matter As for Kizaru defeating Zoro with high-extreme difficulty ?? Wtf ?? Zoro isn't there yet. He cannot give a good fight to an admiral. As for Ben Beckham, there is no narrative, no portrayal, no statements or feats in the manga that support your claim that Ben Beckham is on the same level than Kizaru or any others admirals.
Admiral downplayers are essentially downplaying because of a Yonko perspective. But they know for fact that any admirals would win in a 1v1 match against a 2nd in command of a Yonko crew
Bro facts. Hate to glaze myself but I feel like I have a pretty good sense against bias with the admirals. the other day people said that Prime white beard could take down kuzan, akainu, and kizaru like Blud wtf
@@grassence-djequavion sangoku was the previous fleet admiral and was a rival of roger and whitebeard And akainu is present fleet admiral, he sure is on par with top tiers of this generation like shanks, mihawk and dragon
Do you believe a barcelino took the job? Seriously, he could be able to become Fleet Admiral instead of Akainu. also if barcelino went to wano he would have been able to take out the four emperors. I mean two of the four Emperors big mom and Kaido piercing their bodies. with the lasers right I mean with the beam on their heads They're All Dead.
Old Garp (who is still an active fighter) said he was like twice as strong in his prime. So Old Reighley (who is not active and does not fight) should probably be more than twice as strong in his Prime. So Prime Reighley low diffs kizaru
Kizaru relative to Gear 4 Snakeman???? He blitzed him. He was more relative to Gear 5. Sabo at Sanji level??? Nah bro. Kizaru wins against all of them with not a whole lot of difficulty
I didn’t even say they were relative but even if I did it’s still true Luffy was actively combating him in close quarters without conquers Haki. Without accelerated speed they’re relative in power and speed. And even if you do consider his accelerated speed we don’t know exactly how much damage it did to Snakeman
People on here coping about the kat section being short without realizing Kizaru fought Luffy after like 4 powerups from his fight with kat 😭😭
Crazy agenda with Rayleigh.
"No fruit abilities or a special sword"...said about the PKs right-hand man and user of 3 advanced haki's.
Cuz he trained it?
Brother... Kizaru halted his movement and actions when he heard FUCKING APOO on sabaody...
If Beckmanns begging of kizaru is somehow a feat, then i guess apoo is now relative to beckmann
Honestly, highest dif kizaru goes is mid dif.
Name a single fighter who would still be in the fight after an accelerated kick that knocked the second fastest form of luffy that can fly off of Egghead instantly, through a barrier.
It's probably lower. But Marco should be able to stall for a good bit of time.
@@joe-k1t
I just don’t agree. If luffy couldn’t recover from the accelerated kick without going G5, I doubt Marco would be able to do the same. The kick would send him off the island they’re fighting on and into the ocean. He’d succumb to drowning cuz DF. Victory by BFR.
@@bromous1446 Makes sense. I am a huge Marco fan though so makes sense why I have more confidence in him than the other commanders....but Rayleigh prime should be mid diff or a bit above.
If kizaru was trying so much against old Rayleigh then why didn't he use any of his moves against Rayleigh that he dud against g5 Luffy. Rayleigh stalled for 3 mins and is so wanked for it
@@lxfj2128 by that same logic if he could have just no diffed Rayleigh whenever he wanted then why didn’t he oh wait cause he couldn’t. Literally says he’d need a plan to take Rayleigh in
@@sbthesage you can’t be serious
@@sbthesage u totally missed what this person said completely read it over
Yonkotard agenda...
Gear 4 luffy was extremely relative to hybrid kaido
Kizaru dispatched a stronger version of this luffy with A SINGLE ATTACK
If kizaru was going all out against rayleigh here, then presumably rayleigh one shots kaido comfortably?
It was just confirmed kizaru gave luffy food, kizaru destroys ray
Luffy wasn’t using adv haki so no it wasn’t the gear 4 that kept up with kaido and kaido straight up low-mid diffed that gear 4
Bud had to pop out gear 5 and use both acoc and acoa at the same time yet was a extreme diff fight 💀
@@Prfctdtlz”someone who can be invisible to the naked eye” that applies to sanji too
At no point have we seen kizaru invisible and any top tier moves ftl 💀 sanji is mftl via being MUCH faster then pre timeskip zoro who could dodge a light speed Kuma attack with ease while almost dead himself
So
Food
Invisible
Has a really good observation haki
Ya sounds like sanji
Damn Kizaru glazing is wild in the comments someone even said he would beat them all at once lol
In all seriousness though, I agree with your analysis for the most part, I just think Beckman should show more feats to be put above Kizaru, but he is close to his level nevertheless
I may even put old Rayleigh above him now that he basically regained some of his stamina? swimming to Amzon island, training Luffy and using all 3 types of haki, and also don't forget that CoC wasn't that big of a deal pre-ts so Rayleigh wasn't able to use it canonically
Is kizaru a joke to you. He smokes all these guys
I said he beats everyone and arguably high diffs the 2 that I think can beat him ?
@@sbthesage I'm just leaving a comment
I was just leaving a comment. Thought that it would be funny to write
Kizaru destroys all of them tbh
Prime ray low mid diffs
Also if kizaru can't figer out king's weakness he is cooked
@@animexgalaxy why wouldn't he be able to figure that out? he's certainly also quick enough to capitalize on it as well.
@@jtdevera1189 Even zoro who have insane battle iq took a whole while to figer it out also king was holding back 40% of the fight
@@animexgalaxyking can be hurt with flame on
First off let’s get some straight there are no title levels such as admiral level yonko level yc level there’s none of that because they are heavily inconsistent for example kuzan a yc2-yc3 for bb and shiryu is yc1 does that mean shiryu>kuzan or katakuri>kuzan no buggy is a yonko so does that mean buggy>zoro sanji kuzan no ok now that we got that out of the way let’s start scaling zoro and a bit of sanji to boost him up
Admirals are relative to commanders due to the Marco statement in marineford databook that said he could fight on the same footing as the admirals making it a mid-high diff atleast many commanders such as sanji king and zoro scale much above Marco putting them on the same level as the admirals that’s just with Marco statements
Zoro could blitz a big mom who was on Zeus and using haki and evade her with ease while Marco couldn’t blitz or dodge a big mom that wasn’t on Zeus not using haki meaning zoro alr blizts Marco who shown by bb without his Df is legit useless
Zoro can cut fire which is essentially Marco’s Df immediately taking away 90% of Marco’s speed ap dc defense regen overall zoro>marco low diff in BASE due to him being able to dodge and blitz a a big mom who is a faster version of a big mom that could capture Marco and zoro can cut fire meaning he could cut Marco attack and speed blitz him
That alone alr puts zoro above the admirals but im not done
“Zoro is lucci rival “
First having long fights with someone doesn’t make you a rival to the person I could fight prime Mike Tyson for an 1 hour and after he decides to get serious and knocks me out with a single punch that wasn’t even one of his strongest punch he throws that’s the basic comparison between lucci and zoro and that would upscale lucci not downscale zoro
He did equally was bad as kizaru
1 managed to hit luffy once by summoning many clones yet got 1 tapped another got 5 tapped
People forget luffy was on the brink of passing out against lucci but say it’s a neg-no diff but for kizaru it was a extreme diff or a tie which makes no sense Luffy was exhausted cuz of his Df not kizaru
The gear 4 that fought kizaru from what we know of wasn’t using any adv haki meaning that gear 4 is a kaku rival they had to jump a seraphim same gear 4 that got blizted and 1 tapped by base basic haki kaido who zoro could blitz and damage with acoa pre mastering Enma
Kaido>admirals by a large margin
Akainu got blizted by crocodile and couldn’t even hit him nor sense an angry 22 feet tall behemoth rushing towards and you wanna tell me the bum has future sight what happened in marineford is called Akainu has better armament than vista and Marco meaning. They can’t hit him as he has better haki he didn’t use adv armament never confirmed to be and the thing he used in marineford was the same thing sentomaru snake sisters and whole amazon lily used
Crocodile got perception blizted by fatigued luffy in that same arc and against zoro is faster than post wci gear 4 due to blizting kaido meaning he would blizted that luffy who blizted crocodile who blizted Akainu also Akainu was getting stopped by Marco (who’s slower than zoro) and jimbei(who’s slower than zoro) constantly and most of them could evade akainu meaning Akainu ain’t touching or dodging zoro “SHANKS 1 TAPPED KIDD SO HE DOES THE SAME TO ZORO”
For one he sneaked him who didn’t even have haki on he sliced his rail gun which blew up in his face
For 2 zoro negs Kidd
Zoro is stronger than shanks
Dragon blaze is a physical attack just a strong slash and it cut the horns of onigashima be overpowered kaido in Ashura
Kaido strength>primebeards strength according to ace novel
Zoro gets strength
Zoro is faster
Shanks blizts kizaru who is slow as hell jit barely notice Marco knocking him down lol and blizts Kidd who barely has observation haki while zoro blizts kaido a future sight user big mom and king which is a better feat
Zoro gets combat speed attack speed movement speed
For reaction speed there’s no feats nor statements for shanks future sight isn’t reaction speed btw
Zoro has a better reaction speed
Armament haki
Zoro has adv as ryuo is adv arm and the guy who gave Zoro Enma said Enma takes the users RYUO as it pleases so every time we saw it taking haki from Zoro it was ryuo
Shanks hasn’t shown adv armament only adv observation and adv conqueres
Zoro gets armament
Endurance and durability we don’t even need to talk about this
Zoro gets durability endurance
Attack power
Zoro 3 tap king with barely any haki left meaning current Zoro won’t waste acoa on king and just use acoc to 1 tap him
Flames off king is more durable than kaido cuz Zoro could damage kaido with acoa but not king
King>Kaidos durability>big mom>>>>kidd
Zoro gets attack power
Destruction capabilities
Zoro gets it due to slicing the horn of onigashima slicing ships in half without using named attacks or haki someone shanks can’t do as far as we have seen
Obs conq
Shanks gets it due to feats and statements
Now that we got that zoro got most of the things yet people try to act as if shanks blizts and taps him no diff
We have used feats for the first part now we use narrative and potrayal and that is one piece ending soon in atleast 4-6 arcs zoro has to be strong enough on fight Mihawk between those arcs
Mihawk should currently high diff zoro narratively cuz all zoro needs currently is future sight to match mihawks insane observation haki
Zoro scales above big mom due to speed and big mom scales above shanks due to wano statement calling big mom and kaido the strongest yonko but we all know stronger and winning is different
Shanks wins against big mom extreme diff
Potrayal wise shanks is potrayed to still be the second strongest swordman after Mihawk
So with feats zoro high diffs with narrative Zoro gets extreme diff with potrayal Zoro gets high diff now we use statements some databooks say shanks is powerful enough to fight the admirals and so is Marco in the same databooks Zoro scaling above Marco just like shanks just a bit farther than shanks due to him being able to cut fire and Marco whole thing is being fire
Ok so both shanks and Zoro scale above Marco who’s scales near the admrials
Conclusion shanks extreme diffs zoro which makes Mihawk high diff him which makes kaido mid diff him which would make sense due to Koh zoro>Ashura zoro who could clash with adv conq hybrid kaido
Lucci
Was stated that his df awakening gave him more savage meaning. He wasn’t thinking straight
Didn’t use any named attacks against Luffy
Took 4 named attacks
Got up wayyy before Luffy and blizted 100% sentomaru
=he was mentally nerfed and holding back and got low diffed at best
Kizaru
Has no reasons to be mentally nerfed against luffy
Him holding back would only make Luffy stall him longer
Couldn’t blizted injured sentomaru
Got 1 shotted Twice
=wasn’t mentally nerfed or holding back and got neg diff
Zoro>Lucci>kizaru
Zoro vs law and kid(2v1)
For people who think zoro would lose easily cuz big mom lost then you should know zoro blizted big mom many times during rooftop he has movement speed reaction speed combat speed attack speed far above big mom has greater ap pre acoc
Btw Koh zoro>Ashura zoro during rooftop who was clashing with hybrid kaido with 30 bones broken
Kings durability far surpasses big mom flames off which is his least durable state due to big moms durability being inferior to kaido who zoro with acoa could damage kaido but not flames off king putting flames off kings durability above kaido zoro acoc which he could use any time now 3 tapped king meaning he could do serious damage to kaido meaning he could to extreme damage to big mom and he can blitz her even harder due to the fact acoc made him faster
Zoro>big mom that fought kaido for 3 days>big meme that fought kid and law
Basically the fight starts and zoro blizts and 1 taps useless midd than does the same to law he ain’t big mom he is much faster with much more ap
Basically
Koh zoro overall>base kaido~=big mom>big meme>kidd and law
Remember they had to use kaidos bombs and couldn’t even knock her out
CONCLUSION
Zoro= or loses to shanks extreme diff making him lose high-extreme to Mihawk making him get mid diff by kaido and mid-High diff by luffy which makes sense as we are in the final arc we can’t have Zoro getting neg diff by Mihawk or shanks when there’s probably 3-4 arcs left
Confirmed elbaf confirmed final war and probably 2 others so Luffy finds one piece Zoro beats Mihawk and for those saying luffy/kaido isn’t stronger than shanks one piece magazine vol 14 confirms kaido is the strongest in history that puts him above Mihawk and above shanks
The katakuri fandom roasts was epic 😂❤
This is a massacre. Kizaru murders all of them at the ssme time.
11:40 He almost died doing that and it required all his strength and stamina & did it by accident & also wasn’t a massive scar
The fact that Zoro had like 40 broken bones and was very very weakened when he blitzed kaido
Shiryu and Kat downplay is wild here. Shiryu is an ex warden of impel down, who Magellen served and we have seen what magellen can do, not to mention its more than 2 years later atp and he got a df now. Kat is gently tucking ulti and page one together for that matter into the dirt. Ion know where this ulti hype came from but let's keep it realistic
Kat isn't doing anything
@@erosensei-hy9ml you right, the win is that free for him
@@coolguyj7934How that mochi tip taste? You acting like future sight alone carries somebody to yonko level 😂
@quandaviousgooch4726 bruh you the one bringing up yonko 🤣 what kinda reading comprehension you lacking that makes you think "down play is crazy" = yonko 🤣.
@@coolguyj7934 savouring the flavor of that mochi pipe 🤌🏽
Can you explain to me how Ulti has a chance against Katakuri? The Katakuri power creep argument is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. Ulti rushes Katakuri he easily dodges that shit with future sight because he is fast enough to fight on par with WCI Snakeman Luffy who is definitely faster than Ulti. He then ties her up with Mochi and suffocates her or traps her and starts wailing on her with attacks until she gets knocked out. The end. I have never seen power scaling be as bad with the Katakuri vs Ulti debate. No context is used whatsoever with any of the points brought up in that argument. The most surface level scaling possible.
Real
BASE Luffy blitzed her hybrid form lol
Sure he’s stronger than the base Luffy Kat fought, but Kat should be faster than Ulti by far
And Luffy oneshot Page one without ryuo and with g3
Comparison: raidsuit Sanji with all his amps couldn’t even put him down lol
Ulti then grabbed him while he was focused on page one(not a feat) and Luffy saying he needed g4 wasn’t a feat
THEY LITERALLY SHAT THEIR PANTS WHEN THEY SENSED HIS HAKI
And I could explain why needing g4 doesn’t mean anything but y’all should know
@@ashlol1839 Spit dude, you are right. I am so tired of this argument. Scaling like it's DBZ. The reason he wanted to use G4 is because he was caught in Zoan form Ulti's grip and wanted to avoid as much damage as possible before he got to Kaido on the rooftop. The quickest way for that was going G4 to break out. It doesn't matter if you are the stronger fighter when you are caught in a grapple. It is still tough to break out of a hold. And Ulti isn't physically weak. She is an Ancient Zoan. And like you said base Luffy literally blitzed her immediately after.
@@nikjovan4816 ikr
He also uses g4 when he’s in a bind
Like with the strings in Dressrosa
Base wano luffy one taps katakuti@@ashlol1839
Kizaru one shotted g4 snakeman who is far stronger than wci snakeman
Bruh, aint no way you accually believe Zoro is anywhere near Luffy's level of power💀
Yeah without his bajrang gun I do there’s more to fighting then raw AP
@@sbthesage Luffy is superior to Zoro in every category there is to fighting
@@xxlspat3146 why does he have better AP than Luffy without his bajrang gun he did permeant damage to the same enemy’s as G5 Luffy. Maybe if you wanna say ACOC G5 has better AP you’d have a case but even then we don’t know
@@sbthesage no Zoro didn't. Kaido held back a HUGE amount here
He got damaged by ryou Luffy in his full dragon and his hybrid 1 form (same forms he used against gear 5 acoc Luffy). Kaido just always holds back enough against a character, that they can have a fight. And he does that in all stats
@@xxlspat3146 you can hold back durability wtf are you talking about
Rayleigh wanker, kizaru out stats prime and old ray in everything
Based on what ?
@@sbthesage 🤦♂️ based on kizaru feats, based on ray have zero feats, what type of question is that
So basically, Kizaru smokes tf out all of them except Rayleigh. A lot of people assume whoever has higher AP automatically wins and don’t weigh other stats as seriously, which is just a stupid logic to have in a world as wonky and unpredictable as one piece.
Defeating zoro extreme diff 😂😂 zoro fanboy!! Zoro ain’t there yet almost equal with gear 5 luffy is crazy ☠️☠️☠️
In terms of AP without his bajrang yes zoro is equal or greater than Luffy
@@sbthesage NAH u doin to much u are way over estimating zoro waaay bc with this mindset are u suggesting zoro can defeat kaido on his own much like how luffy did? Also are suggesting that he is just as strong a Ben beckman or are u saying kizaru is weaker than Ben Beckman
@@DaeganJohn-de5bj when did AP = every single stat for a character zoro is just an AP god every other stat goes to Luffy by far
@@sbthesage I guess u have a point yes zoro's Ap is insane and I am assuming u are using the fact that he cut kaido as big part of your point for this as well but let's not forget zoro cut kaido bc of the Conquerors that he unlocked which he doesnt know how to control yet might I add also I believe in fights weapons and difference in fighting style play a crucial role luffy uses his fist , zoror uses swords now lets be fr here fist arent gonna cut anyone or scar anyone but yk what can a sword amd yes u lewve the argument that fist can bruise sure but bruises and cuts and two different things more than likely in every fight zoro would be able to cut someone and injure someone faster than puffy can bc he has swords and I honestly don't believe I need to go further with this
Also to further my argument about the conquerors. Haki according to luffy the seraphim have durability comparable to kaido how is it that zoro couldn't injure them I will tell u it's because he couldn't use the conquerors haki which gave him a huge boost in the attack he did on kaido I mean obviously he wasn't going all out but I still think proves my point his Ap really isn't all u say it is and also let's look at this way luffy was actually taking down kaido with his attacks zoro didn't even have kaido on 1 knee and according to zoro kaido didn't even flinch which honestly just proves to me that zoro's Ap is amazing and I am not doubting that it might be close to luffy but more than luffy or on the same level bsfr
HOWEVER IF I AM WRONG PLEASE FEEL FREE TO PROVE SO
Kizaru was fighting a snakeman without acoc or fs
It’s not an antifeat to Kaido as Luffy could split the sky with his coc🤣
Oh and KIZARU GLAZED LUFFY’S AP
And he even reacted to Kizaru’s faster than light kick with no observation, complaining about the barrier damage more than it
And Asura is never near g5
Base crude acoc Luffy downed Kaido in two hits
Something Asura Zoro wanted to do but couldn’t
Already the sword vs fist dilemma is the perfect counter to this
And vs Lucci Zoro was using koh and was wheezing like water
Plus with help from duraneg couldn’t knock Lucci out
But Luffy without adv haki pieced that cat to stating he lost consciousness
Never downscale to upscale
And Luffy was able to push this Kaido to go all out for the first time in years
@@ashlol1839 holy hell this barley readable
Just because Luffy knocked kaido down means nothing knocking someone down does not equal AP
Moreover Zoro wheezing during his fight with Lucci also means absolutely nothing he still blitzed and one shot lucci when using ACOC and did more damage than gear 5 Luffy did with Armament Haki
@@sbthesage but still Lucci acknowledged Luffy’s ap by stating what kind of power is this in the anime and for the manga I’m not sure but he said he was losing consciousness
For Zoro’s own it didn’t knock him out of hybrid form, and with help from duraneg he was still conscious
The argument that Lucci was up quickly doesn’t make sense, he was medically treated lol
Just say liffy couldn't do shi agaonst kizaeu in snakeman
@@erosensei-hy9ml no
Kizaru glazed his ap lol
He also reacted to his faster than light kick and said the barrier did more damage
He literally said he almost died
@@ashlol1839Kizaru literally was t even focused on luffy most of the fight
Kizau curb stomps lol "Zoro ... extreme diff??" brother is a Kizaru downplayer LMAO
I wonder if kizarus lasers would pass through shiryu when he’s is invisible
Some people really think kizaru can beat mihawk. The guy who would always fight with the emperor shanks in equal footing and we know shanks made kizaru his lil scared b**tch during the red film movie…
I do feel like for Rayleigh, Kizaru was winning in Sabaody bc of the stamina and it was perfectly even before Rayleigh got tired, Prime Rayleigh would have better stamina and physical strength but the difference shouldn’t be as big as Garp as Rayleigh regularly works out like swimming in the calm belt while Garp is a lazy bum who eats snacks all the time but Kizaru would also be stronger now than he was in the pre time skip like literally every other character so it’s still up in the air but close nonetheless, Kizaru blitzed Sanji who’s faster than Zoro so Kizaru Blitzes Zoro, can tank Luffy’s attacks without armament haki so Zoro isn’t doing shit yet Kizaru can easily injure Luffy with smaller and weaker attacks than his top attacks shown in the series so he can definitely damage Zoro (as if that wasn’t obvious) so Kizaru just blitzes him repeatedly and eventually kills him, maybe even in one shot if Zoro doesn’t protect himself with armament since Kizaru definitely hits harder than King and Zoro said he’d die if he didn’t use armament against him, Beckman really needs feats cuz his best actual feat is taking a during time skip Kidd’s arm off, Beckman has potential due to how strong he should be eventually and cuz his interactions with Kizaru however I also have some proof as to why Kizaru is possibly relative to or even stronger than Shanks at which point Kizaru beats Beckman with ease since he’d be stronger than his captain
But if there is on thing we can agree on is that kizaru is also my fav admiral
Imo you got the Rayleigh section completely wrong firstly you used the sentomaru statement completely out of context sentomaru was only referring to one instance where Kizaru was trying to run and Rayleigh cut his cheek that’s it secondly Kizaru is in not in the position where he feels he’s he’s in urgent need to get past him the strawhats are literally getting fodderized by sentomaru and the pacifista and the only reason why they were able to escape was because of kuma who he didn’t know was going to do that and we know he noticed this by him saying my men are strong while fighting Rayleigh who is the one who states himself that he wants to do more and is the only one huffing and puffing and sweating meanwhile kizaru tone is calm the whole time which sandman a P translated himself which leads into my other point that he was massively holding back and clearly not exerting himself at all which is shown by him casually sparring with a swordsman using a sword and I know this is a named attack but that doesn’t mean he’s going all out especially when he can create clones that all have light swords that can be useful to overwhelm Rayleigh on top of that you have him having eye beams at his disposal that he could use while clashing with as well as using his main thing speed is power his acceleration that he used on snake man and there’s nothing stopping him from using it in many different ways and even if he took out his frustration on 500 even though we saw the contrary during the fight that still wouldn’t mean that it was because he “couldn’t get past Rayleigh) it most likely was because of the unexpected interference from kuma and keep in mind Rayleigh is implied to maintain strength in old age in sbs vol 82 aswell as data book which is not directly contradicted by the by first these all being knowledge claims and played off as comedic scenes aswell as the fact that is would still be consistent with him saying that his year is caught up to him, he could very well be referring to his stamina and due to old age so his strength would drop faster over the course of the fight plus he’s rusty but Kizaru with the evidence provided is clearly holding back and not exerting himself while Rayleigh is going all out on top of the fact that luffy just caught with Rayleigh and imo kizaru scales above him would put kizaru above prime Rayleigh high diff
This is all unprovable drivel 😭 keep yacking on Kizaru’s meat kid there’s definitely no convincing you
We can debate this topic on discord if you’d like tho
Two sword still zoro was easily keeping up with Lucci
King negs
That bum is not touching Wizaru 😂
Kizaru Mid-diffs Zoro
Kizaru Low-diffs King
Kizaru Low-diffs Katakuri
Kizaru Mid-diffs Marco
I think, Kizaru and Benn BecKman are close but Kizaru is stronger.
Also Kizaru wasn't even trying against Rayleigh. You know that Man is lazy and he is on copium most of the time.
Idk why but kizaru and ben's interaction makes me feel like they are rivals and ben is slightly stronger
Pure headcanon
@@kanemccarthy1979 i did said "i feel like"🥲
In Ben beckman's viver card it says he's comparably to shanks in strength.
So I put Ben over kizaru
@@Moore321 nope it says
"compared to red hairs" he is feared by elite pirates among the new world
It is not related to power at all
@@aquaphoenix200 wdym it's not related in power "at all". If shanks is heard bc of his power which gives him influence, then isn't someone who is comparable to him must be strong and has almost as much influence as him?
The only reason Kizaru didn't defeat Rayleigh at Sabaondy is because he didn't need to. He came to capture the strawhat, however Rayleigh came. His job wasn't to capture Rayleigh or fight Rayleigh. I mean we saw during his confrontation with Rayleigh that when he found an opening to avoid the fight and complete his mission (capturing the strawhat) Rayleigh prevent him to do so.
So saying that Rayleigh and Kizaru were equals when Kizaru wasn't going all out and Rayleigh already shown sign of fatigue, it is clear that Kizaru is above old Rayleigh.
Now can prime Rayleigh defeat Kizaru ? Maybe, maybe not. I have no reason to put prime Rayleigh above Kizaru or any admirals for that matter
As for Kizaru defeating Zoro with high-extreme difficulty ?? Wtf ?? Zoro isn't there yet. He cannot give a good fight to an admiral.
As for Ben Beckham, there is no narrative, no portrayal, no statements or feats in the manga that support your claim that Ben Beckham is on the same level than Kizaru or any others admirals.
Prime Ray Sabo Zoro eos will be problematic
Is it just me or I like water 💧
Wat ?
@@Fields614 nah bro I like it too👍🏻
True, i don't like admiral downplayers but admirals fans aren't any better either
Admiral downplayers are essentially downplaying because of a Yonko perspective. But they know for fact that any admirals would win in a 1v1 match against a 2nd in command of a Yonko crew
Admirals were underrated but there fans overrate them as well
@@lucionjones8685 true
Bro facts. Hate to glaze myself but I feel like I have a pretty good sense against bias with the admirals. the other day people said that Prime white beard could take down kuzan, akainu, and kizaru like Blud wtf
@@grassence-djequavion sangoku was the previous fleet admiral and was a rival of roger and whitebeard
And akainu is present fleet admiral, he sure is on par with top tiers of this generation like shanks, mihawk and dragon
Bro kizaru will obliterate zoro
Do you believe a barcelino took the job? Seriously, he could be able to become Fleet Admiral instead of Akainu. also if barcelino went to wano he would have been able to take out the four emperors. I mean two of the four Emperors big mom and Kaido piercing their bodies. with the lasers right I mean with the beam on their heads They're All Dead.
average admiral fanboys😆😆😆
This man hella crazy he smoking someone better then kizzaru smoking
He wins big mom but lose to dragon boy
@@Travis-r3l kizaru is not beating big mom.
@@zorostoned he won’t lose to kid or law and big mom is slow as hell she won’t catch him
I understand that katakuri is weaker than zoro but ulti? Be fucking fr dude... I dont ever wanna hear that again you understand me?
My fault I was just tryna get a joke off 😭
Wizaru solos
Zoro diffs
Stop saying the N word, it's disrespectful 7:44
@@eamy9960I can say it if I want cry ab it lil bro
@@sbthesage don’t make me report your channel “lil bro” cut it out, you’re not black
@@eamy9960 I literally am wtf are you on about 💀😂 my father is black and my mother is white you’re just chatting
@@sbthesageayyt drake
@@eamy9960 why you being racist dawg
Old Garp (who is still an active fighter) said he was like twice as strong in his prime. So Old Reighley (who is not active and does not fight) should probably be more than twice as strong in his Prime. So Prime Reighley low diffs kizaru
Stop saying the N word u doin too much
Idngafu**
Kizaru relative to Gear 4 Snakeman???? He blitzed him. He was more relative to Gear 5. Sabo at Sanji level??? Nah bro. Kizaru wins against all of them with not a whole lot of difficulty
I didn’t even say they were relative but even if I did it’s still true Luffy was actively combating him in close quarters without conquers Haki. Without accelerated speed they’re relative in power and speed. And even if you do consider his accelerated speed we don’t know exactly how much damage it did to Snakeman
the only unbiased comprehensive list would be
Prime Rayleigh>Benn>Sabo>Kizaru>Marco>Katakuri>Zoro>King>Killer>Bepo
☠️
Sabo got like no feat
Doughnut eater is weaker than king
Zoro>king>ben~kizaru~marco>killer>katakuri=sabo
"Unbiased" proceeds to put Benn Beckman above the characters with actual feats.