Get Rid Of THIS Garbage in Your Foxbody Mustang 5.0
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- On this episode I show you how to remove and delete your foxbody mustangs smog pump, plumbing, and block off the smog pump holes in the back of your cylinder heads. This is the correct of eliminating the stock smog pump system on your foxbody mustang.
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Removing the intake silencer is a proven 4 HP gain. MM&FF magazine tested all on these cheap/free easy mods "back in the day". When these cars first came out, we were doing everything we could find to eek out every bit of extra power out of them. Removing the silencer was part of the famous/proven "10 Minute Tune-up". Every little gain adds up.
How about a video on removing the tab and tad solenoids and plugging the vacuum feed line to it.
And what about removing egr cooler?
Sole reason I clicked it
There's several vids on YT on removing ALL smog, doing the resistors etc, just search Ford 460 full smog delete
If you disable the Smog pump in the ECM with a chip or a Qurterhorse it will eliminate the 1200-1500RPM start up. It's nice starting it up and it going right to a calm idle.
Hey Brother! I took the smog pump off of my 89 GT... It was truly a piece of garbage... I used an idler pulley from LMR... Works great!! I also got new heads and used LMR's threaded smog plugs to insert into the holes that was once used for the smog tube...
Very cool! Yes, I think getting rid of it is the way to go for sure!
ive owned my foxbody for 17 years, and i never knew about the smog pump removal. I knew about the pulley delete but wow. Great video. I regret getting rid of my old parts as well. Definitely keep them.
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Don't need to bother with the extra idler pulley. For future belt purchases just remember to ask for the stock belt for a non-A/C 5.0. Its the correct length.
Not if I don’t have AC as well or does that still work
@livelife6214 if you don't have A/C that will be a different belt. LMR has a chart that covers the lengths for different combinations
Once you determine the correct length, record the belt length. I personally have a notebook with my mods, and, if I've used parts from other cars ( Turbo coupe, continental hydro boost, etc). With my under drive pulley/alternator upgrades smaller pulley, it is definitely a different belt.
That works. I also.keep the sleeve the belt comes in and put in glove box. Perfect reference
On a budget build instead of getting block off plates you can just cut the plumbing off the pipe coming off the back of the head take the original pieces, flip them over to the flat side not the “hole” side and with a little high temp silicone re attach to the head and you are blocked. Great Video 👍
Very good work around 👍. Thx for sharing 👍
Exactly what I've done for every 5.0 I've owned over the years. As soon as I seen the block off plates here, I was thinking, "There's a trick for that". And then seen your comment. Good to know other people use their 🧠.
I'm sure you probably already plan to when you install the headers but might as well put those factory engine lift plates in a box as well. That will clean up the bay more, give you more working room, and save some more weight.
Yes, very true 👍
Thanks for this as there aren’t a lot of vids on the “details” of doing this. I’ll be doing this real soon. Already had my OR H pipe done and need to plug this off and remove the pump.
Good deal! Glad I could help. Let me know if you have any questions 👍
Pretty kool that it still had the baffle in it, great job getting rid of the useless smog pump. Awesome VID🤙🏼
I know right!? Thanks buddy! Got another coming today 🤜🤛
@@KASLCustoms 👊🏼🏁
Look at all the room for activities! Great vid and it helped me get mine out! CANADIAN SUPERMAN APPROVES
Yessir!
Early 90s Ford Motorsports toured the NSRA shows with an HO powered roller deuce chassis and told how to eliminate smog stuff without freaking the computer. Simple, works. 😁😎
Thanks again for a really good instructional video. I've never seen the air silencer before, and I've had foxes since the 90s! I still have the smog stuff on my mild street car. In fact, I installed a hi-flow catted h-pipe and had 2 "racing" cats added when I put my supercharger on to ensure I would pass emissions. Runs cleaner than stock (according to the pass sheet) and flows better too! But I did than years ago when the H was $250. So it is possible to have performance and help the environment. Don't get me wrong though - that's just my 2 cents.
You’re welcome!
We definitely need a more in depth look at what needs to be done with the vaccum line's! As I've most definitely been struggling with this part.
All you need to do is plug them - that’s it! 👍
Plug all them?
There are just 2
Thanks guys!
Anytime bud!
if you live in Cali i highly recommend leaving the smog pump on and at least try to get parts that are going to be smog legal in CALI ! i was just in the process of building my foxbody until i got a fu***** state ref
I’m in British Columbia Canada 😉👍
@@KASLCustoms damn you guys lucky out there man
Lol - it depends on the topic of discussion 😉
Wow. I'm super lucky New Hampshire doesn't have ANY testing for emissions
Why did you get sent to the state ref?
Nice clean virgin car to modify, don't see too many of those around. Had a 90 LX 5.0 5 speed back in the day. Didn't do anything that because I was young and poor. Finally got another sports car after so many years, a 94 SN95 GT convertible. Nice virgin car with low miles and all original. I was looking for another Foxbody, 90 LX just like mine but this one popped up and it was at a good price so I couldn't let it go. Unfortunately its an auto. Slowly doing some mods to it. I would imagine this has all that smog pump crap like the Foxes.
ah, yes .... i remember the good old days when you could just take off the smog stuff - throw it in the garbage - and nobody would care
$90.00 for an idler pulley?…Oh hell no, shorter belt and buy an extra. My $90 bucks would be going into the valve train and a larger bump stick.
I bought my 88 GT new and still have it, they're fun cars to drive and will always turn heads. To each his own. I am in the process of putting my factory catalyst back on ( yes I still have them took them off in 1989 ) along with the smog equipment. I wish I didn't throw my silencer in the garbage. anyone still have the secondary smog pipe that feeds the catalyst the from the air pump, I need one.
Oh wow - very cool. The sad part is most of this stuff ended up in the bin and is currently sitting at the bottom of a landfill…
I just carry an extra belt and a few simple parts, tfi module, etc.
I've recently read about the SMOG systems in these cars (specifically the EGR and SMOG pump) and both systems are "bypassed" and not used during wide open throttle. So as a performance gain, I don't see it making much of a difference. In the same article's I read, if the SMOG pump is removed, the catalytic converters are more prone to clogging because they are not getting properly heated from the SMOG pump system. So, in conclusion, If a guy wanted (or needed) to keep the car emission legal for street use, I would recommend keeping these systems intact and functioning. But...full discloser... I don't have any experience with removing or disabling these systems on these cars... so I don't know.
I purchased my 5.0 new in 91 and all smog is still hooked up. In the future folks will be looking to make them original again. This is what happened to the 70's 428 CJ.
i did my smog pump delete on my 84 gt, i just keep 2 spare belts with spare tire👍🏻 love the detail with your how to vids. keep up the great work.
Awesome - thanks buddy!
Gracias por el video por fin entendí que no le quitaron correctamente el secondary air injection system a mi ford
You’re welcome 👍
I actually just took the silencer off of my 4.6, I put it away in case I want to put it back on…What extreme powah that gave me…🤣🤣..it does sound better though..
Hahahaha so true 🤣👍
Back when I was a teen I wanted to turn my smog pump into a mini surcharger by pumping air back into the throttle body 😂
Hahahaha thats awesome!
If you remove the smog pump but keep the a/c and power steering with alternator, you can go use an 84.5" belt.
Deleted mine with pulley from lmr ...plugs as well ....runs so much better !!!! Highly recommend 👌
Right on! Thanks for reaching out!
I’m with on the original belt size piece of mind
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What About Yearly Mandatory Garage Emissions
INSPECTION ... ?
It Will
DEFINITELY / IMMEDIATELY
FAIL The
" Visual "
With ALL The " Smog "
Pump And Lines
Removed.
Garages Will End Up
Having No Choice Except to
IMMEDIATELY
FAIL
ALL Cars
That Have All
Of This
" Factory Installed "
Emissions Equipment
Removed.
Yea, I don’t understand how these cars get inspected. I got a 85 four eyes but working to register it
You can remove the smog pump and just use a shorter belt. No extra pulleys needed
Another great video - step by step details are fantastic…. Only thing is I’m struggling to find any real benefits of doing this (particularly if still running cats); yes a cleaner and more streamlined engine bay is nice… but there’s minimal weight reduction and the parasitic loss is negligible…. Unless I’m missing something (wouldn’t be the first time 🤣)
LOL - yes you do bring up great points for sure. For me, its one more thing to have to worry about failing - due to age - that I never want to replace. But realistically, one needs to remove a lot of the plumbing to change the headers so I figured I would "kill two birds with one stone" and just remove it all together.
There might be different parts availability but the pumps used in F150s of this era are getting harder to find with junkyards being your best options most of the time. For something like this I don’t want to keep digging into things every time it fails and then I head off to the junkyard to find another pump that is 30+ years old with 200,000 plus miles.
great work , was there a lot of carbon in the Smog pipe that connects to the back of the heads? i want to take mine off cuz i think its plugged up, I'm getting codes about both thermactors . I read that if its plugged up you will get codes also i changed my EGR valve and it was completely plugged up and seized. she seems to be getting better gas mileage with the new EGR installed.
This one wasn’t totally plugged but they can get that way
I know this is a late comment but do you have to replace the smog pump with the idler pulley? or can you get a shorter belt that would work?
You can just run a shorter belt as well 👍
Hey I appreciate all of your videos and have learned alot from you. I have a question about deleting all of this. I have heard that this can clog up your stock cats, change the computer, mess with your EGR and will turn your check engine light on among other things. I have a 86 GT 5.0, any thoughts from your experience? Thanks brother!
Hey bud thanks for the kind words! I’ve never heard of any of that or dealt with any of it personally. Technically the equipment was installed for a reason however like I state in the video, I would be interested in seeing someone (that is qualified) to perform a comprehensive review of how all this equipment works in practice and if it does the things it was intended to do on paper/in theory. Keep in mind that no matter what, cats (like almost all automotive parts) have a service timeline and will plug over time. They are not an item that will work like new forever. To be completely honest, if you still have stock cats on one of these cars - and it has any sort of typical miles on the odometer - I would say your cats are “past due” and should be changed. Hope that helps
Don’t over thigh you can break this cast aluminum pulley
No I need it for smog in California.
I noticed in the video your clutch fan has a large split! If you haven’t replaced it, get a new one asap. They can literally fail and thrown huge chunks off at high RPM! Excellent video too!
Thank you. It was the next video that I did 👍 ua-cam.com/video/Qsbfsa1afNc/v-deo.html
My 89 smog pump is going out but I have to have one. The open end of the bracket was not secured to the threaded inlet on the pump itself.
I can swivel the pump to have the open end of the bracket line up to the threaded inlet. Seems like it should have a 3rd bolt.
I think the bearings are done but it only has 2 bolts securing it. Yours had 3?
LMR kit only has 2. 9/16” are hard to find.
Thanks for the video.
No sir - just two
@@KASLCustoms I got the remanufactured S/P from a place in LA, eBay, works great . They even included the one 9/16” short bolt that is lying on I-70 in Utah somewhere. Thanks for answering..
I’d be more concerned about being out on the road and trying to find a replacement idler pulley instead of the odd size belt. I removed my smog pump, Googled the smog delete belt size, and the guy at Autozone had it.
To each their own I guess. I tend to trust bearings over rubber products but that’s just me 🤷♂️
Where is the link in the video description where you got the idler pulley?
I got it from LMR
I just removed my smog pump! 😌
Nice!
Will this delete trigger any engine/emissions trouble codes?
no
Really wish you'd tell us what the necessary tools are in this video and other how to videos. Unbelievably aggravating trying to do these things without the correct ones
7:04....might want to consider tossing a new fan on there. Looks like a pretty significant crack in it. I'm told it isn't pretty if they come apart in operation!
I have a new one in the box that is part of an upcoming series 👍
Oh my gosh! Don't you care about the environment? 🤣
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what should i do with the remaining vacuum lines?
plug them
I have an 84 LX with the same thermactor set as yours. The original smog pump lasted 35 years. the Dorman replacements were built like crap and the bearings fail within 2 years. Getting hard to find the correct smog pump anymore. I notice with my 84 that when I have a code 44, thermactor not function, the car runs like shit. When I replaced the TAB valve it went back to a smooth idle. So I've preferred to keep my secondary air system functioning. But like I said the parts are getting harder to find. My car has been idling rough the past few weeks, ran a scan and got code 44. The closest thing to mine I could find on eBay was a TAB for an 87 which is identical to the TAB for an 84 apart from the part number. I'm sure it will work fine. All it does is open or close depending on vacuum. Just curious, the ECM on OBD1 cars aren't really programable. Did you have to install a diode or something to fool the ECM? When that smog pump system is removed the ECM will notice and not just produce an annoying code, it can make the car run like shit until you resolve it. My car ran like shit last time my TAB failed and I'm sure this time will be the same thing.
Was that a big crack in the fan ? might wanna change that soon.dont wanna replace way more parts if that comes apart
Lol - yes it is. You’re the 3rd person to catch that. Good eye!! I have a new one sitting in the box and will be part of an upcoming video 😉👍
Where did you resource the Ford Motorsport idler pulley?
Late Model Restoration
I wish I could stuck in Commiefornia 🙏👊🇺🇸🔧🚗🐎
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Just remember the size of the short belt, write it down or save the sleeve it comes in. The part number is basically the length & number of ribs.
I personally carry a spare short belt for exactly this reason.
I opted for a shorter belt
Removing that oipe must be torture, honestly, get cheap replacement heads without that stupid air pipe. People are amazed what that actually does for the sake of emissions, it pushes air into the heads which not a power adder.
Yes very true
No need for the pulley,just get a belt for a non A/C car it's the same spec.
I like the stock belt 👍
What do you do with the vacuum lines?
Cap them
In car the plates are the only way being the threads get so clogged with carbon. Off the car a 5/8-11 set screw from the local hardware store fits perfect.
On my 95 sn95 I did a Ac delete pulley smog delete pulley with a bbk pulley kit all at once. Didn't think I'd get a noticeable difference but you could definitely tell!
Love the videos (VeeDeehohs) but it pains me a bit to see a mostly stock car taken so far from stock. It's your car, do what you want, but there's a lot of this that hurts to watch...coming from someone with a completely modded car I bought new.
Stay tuned my friend, much of this needed to happen 👍
The way he is doing this he can simply put right back to factory in 10 minutes just save the parts in a box in case you wanna turn it back into a original slug
Amen to that buddy!!
You can get belt size online from other people that have done it before. Not really hard to find
84.5" is the short belt without smog pump for an AC car same length as a non AC car with a smog pump.
Do this only if you plan on modifying the car..Otherwise don’t bother.. I own an 86 gt 5.0 with factory t-tops..And it’s a manual.Plan on leaving it stock..pump stays.
Just keep a spare belt in your car!
That’s what I thought. $90 dollar pulley or a few buck on an extra belt.🤔
Everybody says to delete ! but no one explains how to get rid of check engine light !!!!! for 96 obd2 can someone help with that?
Be thankfull you don't live in california HOPE YOU DONT GET A NOCK ON THE DOOR FROM THE EPA.
My air pump is starting to tick quit a bit. Was stressed, but this video helps a ton. Much appreciated, thanks man!
Right on. You’re very welcome
WHATS THE PART NUMBER FOR THE BLOCK OFF CAPS? THANKS
If you want cheep power for your dirt bike or go cart mount the pump on eather one . It can be a super charger.
Wouldn't it be cheaper to throw a spare belt in the spare tire well?
My car is going as ones. It’s never been touched. Also, should I keep all the parts if I decide to delete the smog pump?
I left my smog pump on but gutted it
cool idea!
Fellow Canuck here! I am almost done removing engine from my '87 GT and was so happy to remove that smog nonsense! My question is though, how does not having all that smog equipment affect my chances when I have to have the car inspected for road worthiness? My GT has been stored for many years and will have to pass inspection before putting it back on the road. Wondering if you have any info on that?
Get your inspection done first with all OE equipment. Then you can't fail. In Ontario all OE emissions equipment must be in place. You can always remove it after if you choose to. I had to put CATs on my car to get my inspection done.
This is a good point. I too wouldn’t take any chances with inspections however if you felt like chancing it, I definitely wouldn’t remove the Cats prior to inspection. They will definitely be looking for those. The smog pump on the other hand may squeak through…😬🤷♂️
If u have newer style obd2 cats u could argue that u don't need the smog pump as its really just to get older style in efficient cats hot faster
Northern Ontario here. No emissions testing here unlike Southern Ontario . I've kept everything just incase they do . Haven't introduced emissions testing in the 32 years I've owned the fox . I think I'm good .😁
Right on! Lord only knows where it’ll go from here 🙄🤦♂️
Hey! Two things! What about the charcoal canister and everything that connects to it? And also, I was under the impression that the EGR system circulates gas fumes back into the engine in order to conserve fuel consumption. Won't you notice less gas mileage removing the EGR system? I've ran mine both ways. I really feel like the EGR system saves you a little on gas consumption. I know most people prefer horse power over gas consumption. What are your thoughts?
Smog and EGR are different. This pump just helps start up I believe.
Could get that piece of mind by tucking a 2nd belt in the trunk I'm sure you considered that an opted out but hey I get it, my 95 5.0 vert was my mom's who passed away in 2015 from cancer and her husband talked it to go to him while she jaundice confusedand dieing I was heart broke seems so sentimental, but he moved last year and abandoned it in the drive with flat tire and dead battery seeing it I was furious when I found it with some rear quarter damage and lichen growing on the paint n top but it 100% rust free and in good condition other than the other stuff and is 100% original except mufflers and stereo I have done so 98/99% oem I guess it had been winter garaged up untill 2016. Im a gear head that's always had older cars so modding them is no biggie but I like the idea of it being unmolested but it's not that fast and it's pretty quiet even with fauxmaster 10 series muffs.i want to do an off-road x or H pipe and a couple mods, but I want to be able to return it to stock for whatever reason one being emission laws being reinforced on older cars. But a smog pump delete is a mod but I want to leave the tubing in place if I go better shorty headers I guess I could just leave them back there, .my pump seems to be working fine do you think it would free up any amount of noticable power? I'm assuming may see 5+/- hp on am actual Dyno but not the butt dyno. But I could use any extra power with tall gears and the arm stretching 215hp lol, being stock for the moment its not fast but has enough power to be fun especially with a 5 speed and it has great daily drivability and fuel economy its actually get noticably better fuel economy than my 2010 grand caravan.
Wow what a story! Thx for sharing. In all honesty. I don’t think you free up much power - if any at all. That said, it’s more of an aesthetics thing for me 👍
The people trying to flip the fake unmolested cars will pay good money for all that old smog stuff lol. Passed the old dyno emissions inspection for years without the pump on and old mac Catted h pipe, thank god there too old for emissions these days here lol. Oil the smog pump before you store it, they tend to seize over time if your keeping it. Thermactor plugs and a shorter belt are the way I all ways did it, way cheaper lol.
Thx for the tip buddy. I’m definitely goi g to hang on to it.
Lol it’s true!
if you still have that smog pump and the bracket and pulley, I would love to get it from you. I'm trying to restore my '90 5.0 and the previous owner had done some mods so finding a smog pump is a pain in the butt
Yes I do have it but selfishly, I’m wondering if I should hang on to it in case I ever do a full OE resto… 😬
Thanks man.. good info.. we got a 67 with those ugly pipes over the blok .. car doen not have inspection anymore 55 years old. So gone remove them.. now i know what all the stuf is .. !!! Thank you sir.. GReetings from Holland europe
You're welcome! Thanks for reaching out!
You wanna sell me all the smog stuff to include the hoses and pipes?
Sorry I’m going to hang onto it
@@KASLCustoms good choice. I was one of those that tossed all that stuff 16 years ago.
I hear ya, I’ve tossed a few myself 🤦♂️
Before you go ditching those factory headers, determine if they're a problem. They should be good to 300HP and if you got them out like mine are, you can open the mouth 20% or more porting out all that welding slag the factory left. Shorty headers may not be worth the cost, depending on your build.
*gut, not got....
Stay tuned buddy 😉👍
91" belt work fine five minutes to change belt bye pass and don't f with it
Stock or part# of belt contains description of all the belt’s dimensions.
DON'T USE PULLEY+ YOU GOT TO INSTALL REDUCTION PULLEY... AND IT'S BEAUTIFUL WITHOUT IT
I like the old v Grove belts..I'm cheap..use to just by a washing machine belt...10 bucks...now everything takes the serpentine belt.
Hahahaha that’s awesome!
Great info boss I put that same pulley in during my gt40 head mod makes life easier and it looks clean also makes putting in spark plugs a little easier 👊
Btw Nice fire chicken I had a 1980 Camaro z28 years ago that I still regret selling it lol
Yessir I agree 💯
Thx buddy! We are building it for a friend. It’s a proper 78 Bandit car with a numbers matching 400 👍👍👍
The first time I saw this video was a year or two ago. I have been wanting to do it ever since but was a little nervous. I finally bit the bullet and did it and it was a lot easier than I anticipated. I used your video as a guideline thanks.
Right on! Glad it helped
How’s that pulley on that ford smog delete set up? Looks like plastic. Any concerns towards belt tension on that pulley and bearing?
It’s a ford racing part so I’m assuming it will be good 👍
Great video! Are you a mechanic by trade? Just curious, why don't you completely delete the smog system and purchase several belts at once. Keep a spare in the car🤷🏽♂️. What's the theme on this project? Hard-core 90's? Full gt40p swap??😄
Lol! Yes I did go to school for it and did it professionally for a while. But did take a break from it for a while as well. That said, I’ve now come full circle 🤣.
You’re goi g to have to wait and see 😉👍
Found a white 93 gt with 90k on it, 4 hours from me. Guy wants 5500 with no transmission. Tempting
That’s definitely worth a look 👍
Route that pump to your cai tube..viola' instant mini blower. Lol
Love the video. Ive watched it like 4 times haha. So is there vaccuum lines or harness you have to disconnect?
Yes you need to cap the vacuum lines 👍
Great video!!!! Setting up to do this on my '85 GT. Curious as to were you got those block off plates from.
Thank you! You can buy them from lmr.com 👍
Man you do ALL the pain in the ass stuff. I did that once and never again. I rather replace the heads. 😆 Oh and I can't believe you have the snorkel still. That is the most stock car I have seen lately
Hahahaha it’s true buddy! I’m always up for a god punishing 🤣. Yeah it’s pretty wild how stock this car is/was 😉
great vid --- what do I see in the back round a firebird / bandit car with maybe a 400 in it ?
Hahahaha good eye buddy!! It actually is a Bandit car. 1978 TA, with a 400, and a 4 speed, AAAANNNND T tops 😳😁👍
@@KASLCustoms I new it Very Coooooool -
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What about the dog bone on the rear end? :)
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Where did you find your off-road H Pipe. Did you already have it? Can’t find any for sale in the states.
I found it used locally 👍
I 4get the name of it , but isn’t that little plastic box under the air box but next to the smog pump part of the smog system as well?
it’s called a EVAP canister. it’s a charcoal filter that the fuel tank vents to 👍
84.5 belt fits smog delete and ac delete
Thx buddy!
@@KASLCustoms it's from the LMR belt chart love the show
Nice thx buddy!
I live in Texas and was wondering if this mod would mess with my smog/ emissions inspection
Hi there. To be totally honest, I’m not sure? Maybe someone could chime in and lend a hand with this for us 👍
In Texas, vehicles twenty five years or older are exempt from emissions. Generally speaking, all Fox bodies are emissions exempt by now.
What did you do about the vacuum lines that you unplugged. The black and white one.
I plugged them 👍
Hi my car is making too much smog, if i do this like you did i can pass smog...??🤔🤔
The smog delete will “technically” make your smog readings higher. I think you’ve potentially got larger issues in which your car is running too rich
Recently acquired a drive train from a 93gt.. gonna drop it into my 65 2+2… This pump will be coming off.. IF I decided not to use the idle pulley.. any idea of the belt length ?
Nice! I’m 99% sure it’s approximately 78.5”… a quick google search will confirm this 👍