“Landscaping” companies are the way. I got hired when I was 16 with zero experience. I was just doing basic labour my first year. Second year I was put in a skid steer a couple times and started working with an operator building septic systems and other things that actually require a brain. In my third year now and I’m in the shovel almost everyday. I never intended on being an operator but our only 2 quit without notice so I was basically thrown in the seat and told to do my best. I was given a good raise and I’m grateful to have a boss that was willing to work with me and understands that I’m learning. Being the guy on the ground for 1-2 years really helped me though, you get to learn how certain jobs get done and I think it really gives you a better perspective once you hop in the shovel. I learned how to do everything on the ground but I realize now that being the operator on a job is a whole different job. I’m only 19 and I’m learning so much everyday. I still don’t know what I want to do for a living but I’m going to take all of the experience while I can
I completely agree. Landscape companies are a great way to get your foot in the door and get some seat time in some smaller machines. From there I would jump into a small to mid sized excavation company to start getting dozer and larger excavator experience. Thanks for the comment!
My dad owns a landscaping company and I’ve been working for him since I was 6, started learning on the skidder at 8 and now I’m finally able to get my cdl and get a operating job
@@DieselandIron we’re considered a landscaping company but I haven’t done much landscaping since my first year. We mostly do septic systems we dig a lot of basements too. My boss is into everything It’s a good place to learn biggest shovel we have is a 320 I’ve been in it quite a bit now
I've tired getting into the the industry since I was 18 years old even as a laborer and they always wanted someone with 5-6 years of experience. I am 30 years old now, just recently did I find a company willing to give me a chance and hired me on as an operator because of my experience in the lumber industry running a shovel. I am thankful for the company that gave me a chance. Took me over 12 years of trying to get into the industry but I'm finally here.
@@DieselandIron Thanks!! I will say this it really helps to have a great support system as well to push you. If it wasnt for my wife I would of given up and just settled in what I was already doing. My wife puahed me to continue trying for this career and I'm extremely thankful for my wife.
@@DaniDiesel654 12 years to get into a job. Yikes. Makes me want to look for work elsewhere. Was thinking about Heavy Equipment but if it takes 12 years to get a job then it's not worth it.
This was kind of a downer (No Disrespect To You) but I've been searching for a year & I've also went to school for trades yet no one's hiring. Hearing that u had to wait 12 years is fuckin crazy, I'm going on a year 1/2 & I'm upset that it's even taking that long to find a job within the trades. This needs to be studied & fixed because if the industry needs people bad like the guy in the vid is saying then why the hell aren't they hiring?🤷🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️
Im a backhoe operator(utility) in Los Angeles, & this is true. Most companies even if they hire you as an operator they make you do labor work until they fully trust you & you wont touch the machine until you're about to pass probation. Then thats when the real fun starts.
Thanks for the inspiration from your videos. I always wanted to do this but never did. Well, I applied to my local union early this year, passed the exam, completed the interview and landed a job starting next week and I'm 44. Thought I was too old to change careers. Thanks again.
About 3 weeks ago I started researching job options as a heavy equipment operator. Being in NJ, it became clear the best avenue for pay/benefits/training/hours would be to go the union route. I go to the website for the local labor union only to find the annual application period for apprentices ended 3 weeks ago😳. I guess I’ll wing it for 11 months and get some experience until the next enrollment. There’s plenty of places to dig a hole. 🚜⛏
Also in NJ and I recently left the corporate rat race to pursue a trade. I did the same as you and went to the local IBEW union site and had missed the sign up for next year. So I'm looking at options for apprenticeships but also other avenues in different trades. Good luck!
I’ve worked as a union laborer the last 4 years. I wanted to become an operator after my first year. Fast forward to last Tuesday, I was in Louisiana trying to get hired on as a laborer. I gave up after two weeks and 1000.00 wasted. I was on my way home to Mississippi and started making calls to excavation companies. The first one I called said they were hiring and to come see them when I got into town. I called and went to meet the owner. He was blown away when I told him that I wanted to be an operator even though I only have one-arm. In 2019 i has a company make me a prosthetic to operate an excavator. Fast forward, I worked this last Friday and Saturday as a laborer, yesterday the foreman handed me the key to the dozer and I back dragged about 200 yards of dirt. I got in 1 hour and 28 minutes of seat time. The foreman waved me down and said I did a helluva job. He said he’ll get me a key and I can start i operating the dozer. That was yesterday. So I’m the third day, I was able to operate something. The knowledge I gained by sporting, listening, and questioning the operators I worked with, really helped me out. I’m not calling myself an operator yet. I figure a Goid couple years, then I’ll call myself one. Looking to get back in the union as an operator and not a laborer. So others that are new to this, this video is spot on. It’s exactly what I did.
Awesome story and thanks for sharing! That's really awesome that you found a contractor that was willing to make you a prosthetic! That's a helluva guy right there. Congrats on the position and I wish you the best! Reach out if you've got any questions going forward.
@@DieselandIron I appreciate it. I might’ve stated it wrong, but I bought the prosthetic myself in 2019. I have yet to use Id, but I’m using my hand to steer and control the blade. It’s not smooth, but it’s working. I definitely will. Thank you again.
The school option isn’t always a bad one depending on the school. Do your research on the school if you’re thinking about going because the school I’m at has great reputation and we have multiple “lunch and learns” where employers buy us lunch to talk to us and employer showcases where employers pay the school just to get in front of us for about 20 minutes. I knew a lot of guys that went there before me who had no issue finding a good paying job where they got straight into the seat
If you find the right school then I wouldn't say it's a bad decision overall. My problem with schools at this point is the fact that a lot of companies will train you from the ground up while paying you. Instead of spending money on an education, why not learn in the field and get paid?
A lot of it also depends where the work is and where you are living. Private union worker gets per diem travel rates for helping out outta state. So much extra money per day which is sweet! That seems like the way to go. I never wanted to be in the union because back then I never wanted to leave home. Now its probably the route I am gonna go. Plus id like to have a pension in 20-30 years.
I’m 21 and live in Michigan I’m watched this video not to long ago and my dad works at dans excavating in the office. I was going to school to become a pilot but it didn’t workout I’m very blessed and my dad was able to get me in at dans as an operator now I’m in the union I have no experience and I start Monday never been so excited in my life for a job hopefully down the road in a few years I’m able to help people that follow your Channel and help them get a job in the operating field thanks for all the helpful videos sincerely Jacob:)
What a small world it is! What does your dad do at Dan's? You'll have a great time on the job sites Dan's has to offer. They have some good sized iron and it's a fast paced environment. I got a tremendous amount of experience with those guys. Feel free to reach out if you've got any questions!
@@DieselandIron my dad is the chief estimator for dans my dads name is joe krantz you might know him but a small world indeed btw my name is Jacob not John or Kennedy😂 but right now I’m working on Jeff’s crew out on 275
Look, Im almost 3 months into construction and i will tell you that it is a lifestyle. Long hours, hard work, hot days, shittin in the woods if you have too. Its all apart of the job. Right now i operate a offroad truck and front end loader when needed. Ive gotten little time in a dozer and trackhoe (cant wait) but i understand that i am not skilled enough for it yet. Im mainly on the ground measuring grade, laying pipe, puttin tops on boxes. All the labor. I honestly like it this way because i am learning a ton. I will emphasize on the part that all they mainly want is someone who will show up and is willing to learn. Also, if you dont have thick skin, find a different industry.
Not in nz you got to have the skills and experience first. Even if you have been trained and you been gaining skills from course. You come out with the skills set for a entirety level job. So your skills set is above labourers you are in the middle of the chain with your training certificates in civil construction.
A lot of countries operate very differently than the US when it comes to getting into the trade. My videos are really structured for the American job market.
The term "teachable" should be used more often. I had that hemmered in my brain when i first started like 5 or 6ish years ago. If you're teachable you can go far. Never assume you know better or everything.
Thank sir this video helps so much am from San antonio am 32 years old healthy lol an ready yo work but am a felon is its still hard to find work in construction
I'm 59 yrs old. I've been an engineering technician or a facility technician most of my life and my back and neck are quite janky now. I always wanted to be heavy equipment operator but, between family life and tons of side jobs, the opportunity only rendered itself as the occasional one or two day rental as needed. I find it depressing that I missed my shot. All of the things you talk about as far as being on and around a job site, I am quite conscious of, so that wouldn't be the problem. Most people apprenticing at 59 yrs old could not shlep 80# bags, manually operate a hand shovel for the better part of a day any more. I know I sound a little pathetic but, it is what is: I missed my shot. Hmmph...
You may have missed your shot at starting at the bottom and working on the big sites but there is still opportunity out there! Throw up a couple Facebook ads for some driveway regrades or culvert replacements and rent a machine when needed. You can still get some seat time but pace it to where your body can handle it! Thanks for commenting my man!
@@DieselandIron Thanks for the advice, man. This is what your channel really is all about. I thought my comment would for sure get skimmed over and get very stale forever. Thanks again.
Does this mean that for many construction workers becoming a heavy equipment operator is mostly based on hoping management will give you a promotion rather than actually getting into an apprenticeship or training program of some sort?
If you are in a union state and go through the apprenticeship program then you will have an official channel to work through. By working at a smaller company or a non-union outfit then you will be looking to get promoted by working. It's pretty common since we are super short handed.
Going to operator schools is a foot in the door no one expects you to be set when finishing but you get most of the basics down and that means your teachable and thats valuable in its self people will still gladly take you under their wings man of course the 8 week course won't give you real world experience but it gives you a foundation the rest is on you and your mentor my dude thats how it works so it's not a bad thing it's a step in the right direction keep grinding.
Don’t really know if it counts as experience but at my job I currently I work directly with a Truck company importing vehicles to my job sometimes the owner of the truck company CDL/ Heavy Equipment Operator we have his personal 36,000 Hyster 360 Forklift that I have been using and learning on moving 40ft School buses and Semi trucks on and off Truck beds and parking around the job site I do plan on getting OSHA Cert found a program I was able to bundle forklift class 1-7 , Aerial & Scissor lift and Front End Heavy Load Operator Certs for about $120
That counts as experience on heavy equipment but you'll still need to put in time at the bottom onsite simply because you haven't been running dirt equipment.
just one comment about going the way of the union. 5 years go real quick, when i graduated i had 3 machines i could run haul truck front end loader and telehandler aka gradeall forklift, lots of competition in the industry for seats, do as he said and get the excavator and backhoe but then the problem of getting stick time and doing underground work lots of companies want 10 years experience which i dont have and many operators dont have for sewer and gas, just a reality of what i see in california
Underground work is typically done with pretty experience operators due to the nature of the work. The best thing I can say is stick it out above ground until you have the experience under your belt. It'll happen.
My apprenticeship is 3 years and I’m happy they actually put me on different equipment…u drew the short straw running those three for 5 years, good lord😂😂. Not the greatest at some but half way thru program and can run them all. I knew a guy that was on a crusher the whole time so ur still blessed lol
Yeah I dont think most people have 10 years of anything tbh. Most places only ask for 2-3 years in any field. Its kinda funny though when you finally get 3-4 years then they want 5 its like wtf cant ever win.
The equipment school thing is 100% accirate too. Ive talked to plenty of supers and foremans and pm who REFUSE to hire schools. Its so dumb. You think they're gonna fail you if you pay them?
I'm planning to go to the school Route CLC is the top heavy equipment school in the country I work with a guy now who went through it and said it got him in the seat right away running a doser for a construction company. My mom also works at the school so I get free tuition so all I have to pay for is extras such as books. I'm also working at a landscaping company where I get good seat time with. Doing the school and now with regulations cheaper to go the school route to get the CDL then to do it on my own.
That's a great strategy. You can jump right into the field and while you may not start in the seat I would argue you'll get a better overall education. Not trying to knock the path you're on but I want others to see that there are options outside of attending a school.
Hey man just watched this whole series, obviously because I’m about to make the jump into the industry soon but wanted to ask if you think there’s still a good demand for hands (1 year after this video) also thank you for such good info
Thank you so much for watching and yes! This industry is absolutely dying for people. The demand will not taper off for probably a decade at least and I even think that's being highly optimistic
At the 139 in wisconsin they have you take the Ramsey skills test and if you pass you get a letter of eligibility and a list of approved contractors. The apprenticeship doesn’t start until you find a company to sponsor you. Do you have any advise on how to be more “sponsorable” to these companies? I’ve tried calling and calling and showing up at offices but it seems that HR departments never want to respond to anyone
Problem is that most of those sort of training programs don't have any certifications that hold water outside of that institution. I always compare it to getting a forklift certification from home depot. No one outside of home Depot really cares about the certification because it doesn't mean anything across the industry. The best way to start is to just offer to start at the bottom on a shovel
A CDL will be helpful as it adds another skill to your book of knowledge and makes you more versatile. I would encourage you to find an employer that will pay for you to get your CDL. In this current job market you should have no problem finding someone that will put you through training if you express an interest in getting your CDL.
I would advise that anyone absolutely stay away from a labor union .....because you get stuck in a 4-5 year contract and will be unable to join the operators. A great way to get in is by being a permit worker. Save your money and get a CDL, which is an automatic in for an apprenticeship slot.
Get a class A if you want to be in our industry because that will allow you to haul around a tag trailer. Don't pay for your CDL out of pocket. Get a job at a company and let them pay you to get your CDL. A lot of companies will hire you right in if you offer up that you're willing to get it.
Lol I watched your video a little late obviously I just finished my class at boces paid 2600 for it I already had plenty of time on equipment and I can absolutely find grade but I’m 20 yr old and broke my back in 3 places so putting in a bunch of manual labor isn’t something I should be doing for a year
Hopefully I get an answer... But would you recommend the union or non-union route? I currently have a job, so I believe that I'd be ok if it took some time to get an apprenticeship. But how saturated do you feel the apprenticeship application program is? I don't mind waiting and calling once or twice a month, but what's the application process truly like? Or is it in your opinion a better option to find a small outfit, and then later join the union? And if you can't tell, my endgame is being a union operator. My pops was IBEW, and after seeing what the union did for him, I think unions can be amazing.
Honestly that's just going to depend on the area you are in. I have talked to you guys that have no issue getting into the apprenticeship program but in other states it is a ridiculously hard process and requires some connections. I personally feel that it is better to go through a small to mid-size company and spend some time on the end of a shovel really learning the trade from the ground up. That being said Pay will ultimately be better within the Union. Once you get some machine experience under your belt you will have a chance of bypassing the apprenticeship program and getting your journeyman card right off the bat if you can prove you have the skills to support it.
@@DieselandIron I appreciate such a quick response. That's a little bit what I figured. I'm not worried about being on the end of a shovel. Splitting stacks of lumber year round in North Central Illinois has gotten me used to the nitty gritty, regardless of the weather. I believe what I'll end up doing is getting my CDL when work picks up a little, keepin' it in my back pocket, and work for one of the companies nearby. Already have them researched, but I'm gonna wait until it's viable. Thanks again. Love the content. Keep it up, because you've got a good thing going on here.
Diesel and Iron If I go to a heavy equipment operator training school, do their 6 week (204 hour) Heavy equipment operator training course as well as their 3 week mobile crane course just for more knowledge in a slightly different field, would I still be eligible or have the chance of bypassing the apprenticeship program considering I’d have physical experience with over 5 different types of machines within those 9 weeks of training and get my journeyman card right off the bat? Please respond. I really appreciate your videos and the time you take to explain to us newcomers as well as workers in the industry!
Absolutely! Seat time matters more than anything. Make sure you tell the places you are applying that you have experience on equipment. Let them know which pieces and how much seat time you have. You don't have to be down to the hour but let them know if you've been running for six months, a year, five years.
I have no experience as a laborer or machine operator and the union in my area, local 150 is having an application process on the 28th. I live in Illinois in the quad cities and I am wondering if this will be a good program to be able to get into a job when I’m finished. I completely understand having to be patient with no prior job experience but I’m worried I’ll spend 5 years of my life doing something that I won’t be able to get a job after.
The union apprenticeship is a great way to get into the industry without any experience. The challenge will be how long it takes to get into the program if you don't have any contacts. The apprenticeship program is pretty notorious for being a good 'ole boys club where people with connections get pushed to the front of the line.
I don't know how they can justify that in this current economy. Even taking non experienced operators and laborers the industry is still hurting for people. If you are willing and able to move there is work all over the country.
@@Killerrob-rn3os try some smaller companies. They will be more likely to hire you green. Spend 6 months to a year there and then get in with a bigger company.
thank you for the info, i have a question. I used to run a Front End Loader for a month and i do have a license for that, but in another country. does that benefit me in anyway possible? and can i just apply for a job here in maryland without a CDL? hope you answer soon. Thank you
I don't think a license for a wheel loader will help you regardless of what country it is from. Credentials from any sort of schooling don't really work here in the US. You can absolutely apply without having a CDL although a CDL will help quite a bit
I’m 25, is it too late? If anything what is the best route that I should take at this age? Idk I feel like I’m late, I feel like it would’ve been better if I did it out of high school…
If you want a job in the hoisting side of things I would get your CDL and hit up some rental barns. You'll start off driving one of the support rigs that brings counterweights, boom sections etc. along to the job. Once you're onsite you spend the day with the operator learning the trade. Eventually you'll move into a seat after getting your CCO. The alternative route is to go through the union and become an oiler while going through the apprenticeship program. Both paths are great ways to get into the hoisting side of the industry.
If you are able to drive yourself to and from a jobsite then you can absolutely get a job as a laborer at a smaller company that will give you some seat time.
Becoming a crane operator will be slightly different. You will need to hire in at a crane company as an oiler which is essentially an apprentice. While you do that you can work on getting your CCO. You will need to have a cdl as well.
If you have a wife or kids that might one day benefit from your GI bill then I would 100% say to skip it. If the benefits you are using won't transfer then it won't hurt to have them foot the bill for you to get some schooling.
I don't know anything about them specifically. Really at this point with how bad the industry needs people I always encourage people to go straight onto a job site and get trained there. You will get paid to learn instead of paying to learn
I don’t want to be a dick, but i have operated a few different pieces of equipment to include a dozer, excavator, backhoe and skidstear/bobcat. The total hours probably haven’t exceeded 100 but I personally don’t understand the whole classroom time part because the operating of equipment comes really easy to me to include being safe on a job site. Stuff like watching out for over head power lines, underground anything, other operators, buildings and making sure the machine is good to go just all comes naturally almost. How would i explain that with out being a dick?
I hear ya. The big thing people need to understand is that most of us in the trades currently have been exposed to the industry through various channels. Whether it's a family member or friend currently in the trades or just being around the machines because we loved them as kids, we have an education that we never received through a formal channel. That's where the industry is changing. The generational aspect of this business isn't nearly as prevalent as it used to be. There are a lot more people wanting to get into the trades that have ZERO exposure to them through the traditionally channels you and I are accustomed to. This biggest piece of advice I can give is to be patient and understanding of that. You aren't dealing with the same breed of operator you were 20, 10, even 5 years ago. Some of these guys and girls need to be brought in and started at square 1. That's a big reason I cover some of the topics I do on my channel. There are no dumb questions when you were never given the knowledge to begin with. You and I grew up getting yelled and screamed at because we had the fundamental knowledge and in a lot of circumstances, we should've known better. The new guys don't always have that advantage.
I'm a female labour worker. Physically fit but almost 50. Ive been in my career 31 years. Im looking forba change and find that this is an industry for me. Is it hard for woman to get into this type of work? Im not a feminist or asking about diversity. I'm asking because i legitimately admire to work outdoors and getting dirty. My mother is almost 70 and chops her own trees to warm home in her off grid lifestyle.
It's a great industry with a lot of opportunity for females. That being said, have thick skin. There is still a lot of sexism in this industry and I would be lying if I told you that you won't have to face it at some point in your career. Make the switch! We need more women!
I'm applying to a union for a apprenticeship part of the process is a aptitude test. Any ideas of what to expect on this test or what i should study on? Any information would be great thanks
I haven't taken the exam but it's my understanding that it's not anything crazy. I've been trying to get ahold of someone in the union to let me take the test so I know what's on it but so far no luck...
This really depends on where you are, and when you started in the industry because inflation has affected this too. Numbers now will obviously be higher. You're also potentially working a LOT more hours than you ever would at McDonald's, so your take-home pay will be very different even if you had the same wage. This is also with absolutely NO experience. Companies won't expect you to stick around or be any good, because most people aren't. All you have to do is learn the job, and then be proactive about asking for raises as you start to get experience. I started as a laborer eight years ago at $17/hr, but I got large raises as I asked for them every six months to a year. After three or four years, I was at $30/hr. By then, I had learned enough about running equipment that I made the jump to the union side, bypassed the apprenticeship and started as a journeyman for the same company. We're currently at $53-56/hr with full pension. There's plenty of money to be made, but you're not entitled to anything in this industry, you have to show your worth first.
@@cityboyant863 you might want to consider moving out of florida. As hard as it is to hear Florida doesn't pay very well in this industry and a lot of people like being down there because it's warm year round
As much as it pains me to say it...yes. These 6-8 week courses just don't give operators enough seat time to actually learn the machines. You might learn how to make them move and do some basic grading but you don't learn any jobsite skills. Use it as a resume builder though. If the army is footing the bill then you might as well get the education!
Not at all. Most companies automatically assume they will have to re-train you so you don't really start with a leg up. Not only that, instead of paying for an education you can get paid to learn by hiring in with a company and having them train you.
Ugh wish this video was around 10 years ago before I spent 20k on getting my “HEO ticket” 😖😂. Solid advice tho. I tell ya from experience, don’t waste your time or money, nobody gives a fuck
“Landscaping” companies are the way. I got hired when I was 16 with zero experience. I was just doing basic labour my first year. Second year I was put in a skid steer a couple times and started working with an operator building septic systems and other things that actually require a brain. In my third year now and I’m in the shovel almost everyday. I never intended on being an operator but our only 2 quit without notice so I was basically thrown in the seat and told to do my best. I was given a good raise and I’m grateful to have a boss that was willing to work with me and understands that I’m learning. Being the guy on the ground for 1-2 years really helped me though, you get to learn how certain jobs get done and I think it really gives you a better perspective once you hop in the shovel. I learned how to do everything on the ground but I realize now that being the operator on a job is a whole different job. I’m only 19 and I’m learning so much everyday. I still don’t know what I want to do for a living but I’m going to take all of the experience while I can
I completely agree. Landscape companies are a great way to get your foot in the door and get some seat time in some smaller machines. From there I would jump into a small to mid sized excavation company to start getting dozer and larger excavator experience. Thanks for the comment!
My dad owns a landscaping company and I’ve been working for him since I was 6, started learning on the skidder at 8 and now I’m finally able to get my cdl and get a operating job
@@DieselandIron we’re considered a landscaping company but I haven’t done much landscaping since my first year. We mostly do septic systems we dig a lot of basements too. My boss is into everything It’s a good place to learn biggest shovel we have is a 320 I’ve been in it quite a bit now
How did you get a job like that I’ve been trying forever
I've tired getting into the the industry since I was 18 years old even as a laborer and they always wanted someone with 5-6 years of experience. I am 30 years old now, just recently did I find a company willing to give me a chance and hired me on as an operator because of my experience in the lumber industry running a shovel. I am thankful for the company that gave me a chance. Took me over 12 years of trying to get into the industry but I'm finally here.
Welcome to the club brother! I'm glad you found a way in!
@@DieselandIron Thanks!! I will say this it really helps to have a great support system as well to push you. If it wasnt for my wife I would of given up and just settled in what I was already doing. My wife puahed me to continue trying for this career and I'm extremely thankful for my wife.
That’s sad
@@DaniDiesel654 12 years to get into a job. Yikes. Makes me want to look for work elsewhere. Was thinking about Heavy Equipment but if it takes 12 years to get a job then it's not worth it.
This was kind of a downer (No Disrespect To You) but I've been searching for a year & I've also went to school for trades yet no one's hiring. Hearing that u had to wait 12 years is fuckin crazy, I'm going on a year 1/2 & I'm upset that it's even taking that long to find a job within the trades. This needs to be studied & fixed because if the industry needs people bad like the guy in the vid is saying then why the hell aren't they hiring?🤷🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️
Im a backhoe operator(utility) in Los Angeles, & this is true. Most companies even if they hire you as an operator they make you do labor work until they fully trust you & you wont touch the machine until you're about to pass probation. Then thats when the real fun starts.
Thanks for watching! Enjoy that nice LA weather because we are headed into winter here in the north.
@vestige What do you mean?
@vestige Yes I did at the end of the day thats practically the only reason why they gave me the job.
This is literally not true at all
@@3000gtalex MOST NONUNION COMPANIES IN LA AREA IT IS
Thanks for the inspiration from your videos. I always wanted to do this but never did. Well, I applied to my local union early this year, passed the exam, completed the interview and landed a job starting next week and I'm 44. Thought I was too old to change careers. Thanks again.
That's awesome, congrats brother! Never too old to start doing what you love. Good luck to you!
Can you help me ?
About 3 weeks ago I started researching job options as a heavy equipment operator. Being in NJ, it became clear the best avenue for pay/benefits/training/hours would be to go the union route. I go to the website for the local labor union only to find the annual application period for apprentices ended 3 weeks ago😳. I guess I’ll wing it for 11 months and get some experience until the next enrollment. There’s plenty of places to dig a hole. 🚜⛏
Absolutely. Don't let that get you down. Any work you do from now till then will be valuable experience and training.
@@DieselandIron would you recommend a school like ATS or heavy equipment colleges of America ? I think
Also in NJ and I recently left the corporate rat race to pursue a trade. I did the same as you and went to the local IBEW union site and had missed the sign up for next year. So I'm looking at options for apprenticeships but also other avenues in different trades. Good luck!
If you find a company to hire you they can always get you in the union . The route I went
I’ve worked as a union laborer the last 4 years. I wanted to become an operator after my first year.
Fast forward to last Tuesday, I was in Louisiana trying to get hired on as a laborer. I gave up after two weeks and 1000.00 wasted.
I was on my way home to Mississippi and started making calls to excavation companies. The first one I called said they were hiring and to come see them when I got into town.
I called and went to meet the owner. He was blown away when I told him that I wanted to be an operator even though I only have one-arm.
In 2019 i has a company make me a prosthetic to operate an excavator.
Fast forward, I worked this last Friday and Saturday as a laborer, yesterday the foreman handed me the key to the dozer and I back dragged about 200 yards of dirt. I got in 1 hour and 28 minutes of seat time.
The foreman waved me down and said I did a helluva job. He said he’ll get me a key and I can start i operating the dozer. That was yesterday.
So I’m the third day, I was able to operate something. The knowledge I gained by sporting, listening, and questioning the operators I worked with, really helped me out.
I’m not calling myself an operator yet. I figure a Goid couple years, then I’ll call myself one. Looking to get back in the union as an operator and not a laborer.
So others that are new to this, this video is spot on. It’s exactly what I did.
Awesome story and thanks for sharing! That's really awesome that you found a contractor that was willing to make you a prosthetic! That's a helluva guy right there. Congrats on the position and I wish you the best! Reach out if you've got any questions going forward.
@@DieselandIron I appreciate it. I might’ve stated it wrong, but I bought the prosthetic myself in 2019. I have yet to use Id, but I’m using my hand to steer and control the blade. It’s not smooth, but it’s working.
I definitely will. Thank you again.
@@uidzero-tk2bl I've got you. That's still awesome that you are able to work one-handed. Very awesome story
The school option isn’t always a bad one depending on the school. Do your research on the school if you’re thinking about going because the school I’m at has great reputation and we have multiple “lunch and learns” where employers buy us lunch to talk to us and employer showcases where employers pay the school just to get in front of us for about 20 minutes. I knew a lot of guys that went there before me who had no issue finding a good paying job where they got straight into the seat
If you find the right school then I wouldn't say it's a bad decision overall. My problem with schools at this point is the fact that a lot of companies will train you from the ground up while paying you. Instead of spending money on an education, why not learn in the field and get paid?
Which school did you attend? I’m looking at schools myself
A lot of it also depends where the work is and where you are living. Private union worker gets per diem travel rates for helping out outta state. So much extra money per day which is sweet! That seems like the way to go. I never wanted to be in the union because back then I never wanted to leave home. Now its probably the route I am gonna go. Plus id like to have a pension in 20-30 years.
@@DieselandIron Very true thats because a lot of places do not wanna train you. I have found ways around that though...
I’m 21 and live in Michigan I’m watched this video not to long ago and my dad works at dans excavating in the office. I was going to school to become a pilot but it didn’t workout I’m very blessed and my dad was able to get me in at dans as an operator now I’m in the union I have no experience and I start Monday never been so excited in my life for a job hopefully down the road in a few years I’m able to help people that follow your Channel and help them get a job in the operating field thanks for all the helpful videos sincerely Jacob:)
What a small world it is! What does your dad do at Dan's? You'll have a great time on the job sites Dan's has to offer. They have some good sized iron and it's a fast paced environment. I got a tremendous amount of experience with those guys. Feel free to reach out if you've got any questions!
@@DieselandIron my dad is the chief estimator for dans my dads name is joe krantz you might know him but a small world indeed btw my name is Jacob not John or Kennedy😂 but right now I’m working on Jeff’s crew out on 275
@@DieselandIron I appreciate it! I’m sure I’ll be asking you some questions soon, it sure is hectic out on the site😂
@@kennedyjohn6595 I worked for Jeff for about a year and a half. He's a pretty decent foreman. Feel free to reach out brother!
@@DieselandIron small world that’s crazy😂 I appreciate it!
Should have specified that spring-fall you can get a job in a day lol…winter is another story
Good point!
Look, Im almost 3 months into construction and i will tell you that it is a lifestyle. Long hours, hard work, hot days, shittin in the woods if you have too. Its all apart of the job. Right now i operate a offroad truck and front end loader when needed. Ive gotten little time in a dozer and trackhoe (cant wait) but i understand that i am not skilled enough for it yet. Im mainly on the ground measuring grade, laying pipe, puttin tops on boxes. All the labor. I honestly like it this way because i am learning a ton. I will emphasize on the part that all they mainly want is someone who will show up and is willing to learn. Also, if you dont have thick skin, find a different industry.
This sums up the industry right here.
🎉🎉 Thanks for much!! Very helpful! 🎉🎉
You're welcome, glad it was helpful!
Not in nz you got to have the skills and experience first. Even if you have been trained and you been gaining skills from course. You come out with the skills set for a entirety level job. So your skills set is above labourers you are in the middle of the chain with your training certificates in civil construction.
A lot of countries operate very differently than the US when it comes to getting into the trade. My videos are really structured for the American job market.
The term "teachable" should be used more often. I had that hemmered in my brain when i first started like 5 or 6ish years ago. If you're teachable you can go far. Never assume you know better or everything.
Very true!
Thank sir this video helps so much am from San antonio am 32 years old healthy lol an ready yo work but am a felon is its still hard to find work in construction
I'm 59 yrs old. I've been an engineering technician or a facility technician most of my life and my back and neck are quite janky now. I always wanted to be heavy equipment operator but, between family life and tons of side jobs, the opportunity only rendered itself as the occasional one or two day rental as needed. I find it depressing that I missed my shot. All of the things you talk about as far as being on and around a job site, I am quite conscious of, so that wouldn't be the problem. Most people apprenticing at 59 yrs old could not shlep 80# bags, manually operate a hand shovel for the better part of a day any more. I know I sound a little pathetic but, it is what is: I missed my shot. Hmmph...
Keep up the very real content, brother...
You may have missed your shot at starting at the bottom and working on the big sites but there is still opportunity out there! Throw up a couple Facebook ads for some driveway regrades or culvert replacements and rent a machine when needed. You can still get some seat time but pace it to where your body can handle it! Thanks for commenting my man!
@@DieselandIron Thanks for the advice, man. This is what your channel really is all about. I thought my comment would for sure get skimmed over and get very stale forever. Thanks again.
@@goesintite it gets harder and harder over time but I try to respond to everyone. Thanks for supporting the channel, it is greatly appreciated!
Does this mean that for many construction workers becoming a heavy equipment operator is mostly based on hoping management will give you a promotion rather than actually getting into an apprenticeship or training program of some sort?
If you are in a union state and go through the apprenticeship program then you will have an official channel to work through. By working at a smaller company or a non-union outfit then you will be looking to get promoted by working. It's pretty common since we are super short handed.
I'm two weeks into heavy operater school right now :/ wish i would have seen your videos before
Don't sweat it brother. Going to operator school won't hinder you, it will only add to your experience. You will do just fine
Going to operator schools is a foot in the door no one expects you to be set when finishing but you get most of the basics down and that means your teachable and thats valuable in its self people will still gladly take you under their wings man of course the 8 week course won't give you real world experience but it gives you a foundation the rest is on you and your mentor my dude thats how it works so it's not a bad thing it's a step in the right direction keep grinding.
Which school did you go to? We’re you able to land a job afterwards?
Great info thanks man
Thanks for watching!
Don’t really know if it counts as experience but at my job I currently I work directly with a Truck company importing vehicles to my job sometimes the owner of the truck company CDL/ Heavy Equipment Operator we have his personal 36,000 Hyster 360 Forklift that I have been using and learning on moving 40ft School buses and Semi trucks on and off Truck beds and parking around the job site I do plan on getting OSHA Cert found a program I was able to bundle forklift class 1-7 , Aerial & Scissor lift and Front End Heavy Load Operator Certs for about $120
That counts as experience on heavy equipment but you'll still need to put in time at the bottom onsite simply because you haven't been running dirt equipment.
As always.... Amazing info here!
Thanks Michele!
just one comment about going the way of the union. 5 years go real quick, when i graduated i had 3 machines i could run haul truck front end loader and telehandler aka gradeall forklift, lots of competition in the industry for seats, do as he said and get the excavator and backhoe but then the problem of getting stick time and doing underground work lots of companies want 10 years experience which i dont have and many operators dont have for sewer and gas, just a reality of what i see in california
Underground work is typically done with pretty experience operators due to the nature of the work. The best thing I can say is stick it out above ground until you have the experience under your belt. It'll happen.
My apprenticeship is 3 years and I’m happy they actually put me on different equipment…u drew the short straw running those three for 5 years, good lord😂😂. Not the greatest at some but half way thru program and can run them all. I knew a guy that was on a crusher the whole time so ur still blessed lol
Yeah I dont think most people have 10 years of anything tbh. Most places only ask for 2-3 years in any field. Its kinda funny though when you finally get 3-4 years then they want 5 its like wtf cant ever win.
The equipment school thing is 100% accirate too. Ive talked to plenty of supers and foremans and pm who REFUSE to hire schools. Its so dumb. You think they're gonna fail you if you pay them?
Thanks for the info
Glad it was helpful!
I'm planning to go to the school Route CLC is the top heavy equipment school in the country I work with a guy now who went through it and said it got him in the seat right away running a doser for a construction company. My mom also works at the school so I get free tuition so all I have to pay for is extras such as books. I'm also working at a landscaping company where I get good seat time with. Doing the school and now with regulations cheaper to go the school route to get the CDL then to do it on my own.
That's a great strategy. You can jump right into the field and while you may not start in the seat I would argue you'll get a better overall education. Not trying to knock the path you're on but I want others to see that there are options outside of attending a school.
Hey man just watched this whole series, obviously because I’m about to make the jump into the industry soon but wanted to ask if you think there’s still a good demand for hands (1 year after this video) also thank you for such good info
Thank you so much for watching and yes! This industry is absolutely dying for people. The demand will not taper off for probably a decade at least and I even think that's being highly optimistic
Hands don’t get paid good in most places. I make $12.50 in this recession 2023
At the 139 in wisconsin they have you take the Ramsey skills test and if you pass you get a letter of eligibility and a list of approved contractors. The apprenticeship doesn’t start until you find a company to sponsor you. Do you have any advise on how to be more “sponsorable” to these companies? I’ve tried calling and calling and showing up at offices but it seems that HR departments never want to respond to anyone
Problem is that most of those sort of training programs don't have any certifications that hold water outside of that institution. I always compare it to getting a forklift certification from home depot. No one outside of home Depot really cares about the certification because it doesn't mean anything across the industry. The best way to start is to just offer to start at the bottom on a shovel
Well said 👏
Thanks for watching!
Three years old but still a great video! Do you think it’s necessary or beneficial to get a CDL A if you intend to become a heavy equipment operator?
A CDL will be helpful as it adds another skill to your book of knowledge and makes you more versatile. I would encourage you to find an employer that will pay for you to get your CDL. In this current job market you should have no problem finding someone that will put you through training if you express an interest in getting your CDL.
I would advise that anyone absolutely stay away from a labor union .....because you get stuck in a 4-5 year contract and will be unable to join the operators.
A great way to get in is by being a permit worker. Save your money and get a CDL, which is an automatic in for an apprenticeship slot.
Should I get my cdl class a for trailer trucks or is class b for dump trucks fine to get into the union? Thanks
Get a class A if you want to be in our industry because that will allow you to haul around a tag trailer. Don't pay for your CDL out of pocket. Get a job at a company and let them pay you to get your CDL. A lot of companies will hire you right in if you offer up that you're willing to get it.
@@DieselandIron thanks for your help man
Lol I watched your video a little late obviously I just finished my class at boces paid 2600 for it I already had plenty of time on equipment and I can absolutely find grade but I’m 20 yr old and broke my back in 3 places so putting in a bunch of manual labor isn’t something I should be doing for a year
Hopefully I get an answer...
But would you recommend the union or non-union route? I currently have a job, so I believe that I'd be ok if it took some time to get an apprenticeship.
But how saturated do you feel the apprenticeship application program is? I don't mind waiting and calling once or twice a month, but what's the application process truly like?
Or is it in your opinion a better option to find a small outfit, and then later join the union?
And if you can't tell, my endgame is being a union operator. My pops was IBEW, and after seeing what the union did for him, I think unions can be amazing.
Honestly that's just going to depend on the area you are in. I have talked to you guys that have no issue getting into the apprenticeship program but in other states it is a ridiculously hard process and requires some connections. I personally feel that it is better to go through a small to mid-size company and spend some time on the end of a shovel really learning the trade from the ground up. That being said Pay will ultimately be better within the Union. Once you get some machine experience under your belt you will have a chance of bypassing the apprenticeship program and getting your journeyman card right off the bat if you can prove you have the skills to support it.
@@DieselandIron I appreciate such a quick response.
That's a little bit what I figured. I'm not worried about being on the end of a shovel. Splitting stacks of lumber year round in North Central Illinois has gotten me used to the nitty gritty, regardless of the weather.
I believe what I'll end up doing is getting my CDL when work picks up a little, keepin' it in my back pocket, and work for one of the companies nearby. Already have them researched, but I'm gonna wait until it's viable.
Thanks again. Love the content. Keep it up, because you've got a good thing going on here.
@@jamesmerutka889 thanks James!
Diesel and Iron If I go to a heavy equipment operator training school, do their 6 week (204 hour) Heavy equipment operator training course as well as their 3 week mobile crane course just for more knowledge in a slightly different field, would I still be eligible or have the chance of bypassing the apprenticeship program considering I’d have physical experience with over 5 different types of machines within those 9 weeks of training and get my journeyman card right off the bat? Please respond. I really appreciate your videos and the time you take to explain to us newcomers as well as workers in the industry!
I am a heavy equipment operator with the Army National Guard I went through the Army's school....do you think this will help?
Absolutely! Seat time matters more than anything. Make sure you tell the places you are applying that you have experience on equipment. Let them know which pieces and how much seat time you have. You don't have to be down to the hour but let them know if you've been running for six months, a year, five years.
I have no experience as a laborer or machine operator and the union in my area, local 150 is having an application process on the 28th. I live in Illinois in the quad cities and I am wondering if this will be a good program to be able to get into a job when I’m finished. I completely understand having to be patient with no prior job experience but I’m worried I’ll spend 5 years of my life doing something that I won’t be able to get a job after.
The union apprenticeship is a great way to get into the industry without any experience. The challenge will be how long it takes to get into the program if you don't have any contacts. The apprenticeship program is pretty notorious for being a good 'ole boys club where people with connections get pushed to the front of the line.
I live in AZ and out here they want experienced entry level laborers 🤔🤔🤔 so it's pretty frustrating.
I don't know how they can justify that in this current economy. Even taking non experienced operators and laborers the industry is still hurting for people. If you are willing and able to move there is work all over the country.
I have the same issue here in CA. They want experience for a laborer position. It makes it difficult just to get in the industry
@@marcogomez3128 that's crazy to hear. The industry is in a vacuum when it comes to manpower. I don't understand how they can be picky out west...
@@DieselandIron I’m having trouble in CT I’ve been applying for a couple month now and they all want experience it’s kinda frustration
@@Killerrob-rn3os try some smaller companies. They will be more likely to hire you green. Spend 6 months to a year there and then get in with a bigger company.
great vid
Thanks for watching!
12$ to 15 pH get that at 13 in Australia
thank you for the info, i have a question. I used to run a Front End Loader for a month and i do have a license for that, but in another country. does that benefit me in anyway possible? and can i just apply for a job here in maryland without a CDL?
hope you answer soon.
Thank you
I don't think a license for a wheel loader will help you regardless of what country it is from. Credentials from any sort of schooling don't really work here in the US. You can absolutely apply without having a CDL although a CDL will help quite a bit
@@DieselandIron Thank you
I’m 25, is it too late? If anything what is the best route that I should take at this age? Idk I feel like I’m late, I feel like it would’ve been better if I did it out of high school…
Not at all, I made the switch when I was about your age!
Does this advice apply to crane operators as well? I'm planning on going to get my NCCCO cert very soon.
If you want a job in the hoisting side of things I would get your CDL and hit up some rental barns. You'll start off driving one of the support rigs that brings counterweights, boom sections etc. along to the job. Once you're onsite you spend the day with the operator learning the trade. Eventually you'll move into a seat after getting your CCO. The alternative route is to go through the union and become an oiler while going through the apprenticeship program. Both paths are great ways to get into the hoisting side of the industry.
In the UK you just take a 5 day course and boom you’re off. £2000 I think it costs.
Is that the requirement across the board or are you able to hire into a smaller company and learn on the job?
Hello, do you need to have a cdl-A?
You do not need to have your CDL. It can be helpful when getting into smaller companies but it is certainly not a requirement.
I am a 16 year old in illinois what is the most i can do right now ?
If you are able to drive yourself to and from a jobsite then you can absolutely get a job as a laborer at a smaller company that will give you some seat time.
Does this apply to a person who wants to become crane operator
Becoming a crane operator will be slightly different. You will need to hire in at a crane company as an oiler which is essentially an apprentice. While you do that you can work on getting your CCO. You will need to have a cdl as well.
Hey I know this is an old video, But if I got to a heavy machine operating school to get my Cert, and the the VA pays me to go. Is it still not worth?
If you have a wife or kids that might one day benefit from your GI bill then I would 100% say to skip it. If the benefits you are using won't transfer then it won't hurt to have them foot the bill for you to get some schooling.
So what's your opinion on the HEAVY EQUIPMENT COLLEGES OF AMERICA training school, and have you heard ANYTHING ABOUT THEM?
I don't know anything about them specifically. Really at this point with how bad the industry needs people I always encourage people to go straight onto a job site and get trained there. You will get paid to learn instead of paying to learn
I don’t want to be a dick, but i have operated a few different pieces of equipment to include a dozer, excavator, backhoe and skidstear/bobcat. The total hours probably haven’t exceeded 100 but I personally don’t understand the whole classroom time part because the operating of equipment comes really easy to me to include being safe on a job site. Stuff like watching out for over head power lines, underground anything, other operators, buildings and making sure the machine is good to go just all comes naturally almost. How would i explain that with out being a dick?
I hear ya. The big thing people need to understand is that most of us in the trades currently have been exposed to the industry through various channels. Whether it's a family member or friend currently in the trades or just being around the machines because we loved them as kids, we have an education that we never received through a formal channel.
That's where the industry is changing. The generational aspect of this business isn't nearly as prevalent as it used to be. There are a lot more people wanting to get into the trades that have ZERO exposure to them through the traditionally channels you and I are accustomed to. This biggest piece of advice I can give is to be patient and understanding of that. You aren't dealing with the same breed of operator you were 20, 10, even 5 years ago. Some of these guys and girls need to be brought in and started at square 1. That's a big reason I cover some of the topics I do on my channel. There are no dumb questions when you were never given the knowledge to begin with.
You and I grew up getting yelled and screamed at because we had the fundamental knowledge and in a lot of circumstances, we should've known better. The new guys don't always have that advantage.
@@DieselandIron thanks man that’s actually good advice
@@ultiscrubgaming915 thanks for the question brother!
what are oppurtinities for new heavy equipment operator in canada
Not sure, we're in the US
I'm a female labour worker. Physically fit but almost 50. Ive been in my career 31 years. Im looking forba change and find that this is an industry for me. Is it hard for woman to get into this type of work? Im not a feminist or asking about diversity. I'm asking because i legitimately admire to work outdoors and getting dirty. My mother is almost 70 and chops her own trees to warm home in her off grid lifestyle.
It's a great industry with a lot of opportunity for females. That being said, have thick skin. There is still a lot of sexism in this industry and I would be lying if I told you that you won't have to face it at some point in your career. Make the switch! We need more women!
@DieselandIron thank you! I currently work in a butcher shop (all men) so I've heard it all! Lol. Thank you!
I'm applying to a union for a apprenticeship part of the process is a aptitude test. Any ideas of what to expect on this test or what i should study on? Any information would be great thanks
I haven't taken the exam but it's my understanding that it's not anything crazy. I've been trying to get ahold of someone in the union to let me take the test so I know what's on it but so far no luck...
I was able to find this that might help out
www.oett.net/entrance-testing
@@DieselandIron man thanks so much this helps big time.
exactly my question. Im taking mine next week 😬
12-15 bucks an hour is trash money you can make the same amount at McDonald’s. These companies are really only paying minimum wage??
This really depends on where you are, and when you started in the industry because inflation has affected this too. Numbers now will obviously be higher. You're also potentially working a LOT more hours than you ever would at McDonald's, so your take-home pay will be very different even if you had the same wage.
This is also with absolutely NO experience. Companies won't expect you to stick around or be any good, because most people aren't. All you have to do is learn the job, and then be proactive about asking for raises as you start to get experience.
I started as a laborer eight years ago at $17/hr, but I got large raises as I asked for them every six months to a year. After three or four years, I was at $30/hr. By then, I had learned enough about running equipment that I made the jump to the union side, bypassed the apprenticeship and started as a journeyman for the same company. We're currently at $53-56/hr with full pension. There's plenty of money to be made, but you're not entitled to anything in this industry, you have to show your worth first.
@@eldonhill4840 hell yah thanks for the advice, I appreciate it!
@@wesleyflietstra No worries man. Good luck!
I went to school and I'm having a hard time getting a job in heavy equipment
Where are you located?
@@DieselandIron florida
I had went to valenica College in Kissimmee fl
@@cityboyant863 you might want to consider moving out of florida. As hard as it is to hear Florida doesn't pay very well in this industry and a lot of people like being down there because it's warm year round
@@DieselandIron so what state would you recommend?
so although the army is paying for my HE training in washington it’s basically a waiste of time going to this 8 week course ?
As much as it pains me to say it...yes. These 6-8 week courses just don't give operators enough seat time to actually learn the machines. You might learn how to make them move and do some basic grading but you don't learn any jobsite skills. Use it as a resume builder though. If the army is footing the bill then you might as well get the education!
Did you end up going to the school? If so, how was it and did you get a job afterwards?
Is heavy equipment operator school worth the money?
Not at all. Most companies automatically assume they will have to re-train you so you don't really start with a leg up. Not only that, instead of paying for an education you can get paid to learn by hiring in with a company and having them train you.
So how would I get in without a certificate
@@touriewilliams1486 amen
In addition to the above, a lot of good companies will pay for your schooling(ie through cat themselves) if you show initiative and ask
From west Africa I am excavator operater can u help me to get job
This dude really said 12-15 an hour not terrible money
I was paying my laborers $25 an hour 20 years ago.
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You got it! Let me know if you've got any questions I can help you with.
Hello I'm zameer from pakistan I'm Excavator operator 5 years Experience in pakistan and 1 year experience in Saudi Arabia I need job
Get your work visa and come over to the State's. There's plenty of work here!
Haha I worked with this woman that did the school and she was the worst operator here but acted better than everyone
Ugh wish this video was around 10 years ago before I spent 20k on getting my “HEO ticket” 😖😂. Solid advice tho. I tell ya from experience, don’t waste your time or money, nobody gives a fuck
Thanks for the comment Zach!
work as a Laborer?! No Thanks.
It's a tough job!
Wtf come on
You come on...
@@DieselandIron I work in the biggest heavy equipment industry in the world oil gas construction in Alberta Canada what you’re saying is wrong
Which part? You didn't really give a whole lot of information...