I dont care about weight if the shoes have stability, structure and mainly energy return. Glideride 2, Tempo Next and Invincible are the best trainers I have and all of them as you said about ZF5 let my legs absolutely fresh after my marathon work outs. Thanks for your review Andy and congrats on your amazing job
Good review, Andy. I appreciate your take on this shoe. It just shows that you can't make your own judgements off other peoples opinions on whether a shoe is "good" or "bad". You need to try the shoes for yourself to see how you like them. Glad this shoe works for you!
A great review backed up with stats and put through a range of paces and distances. I guess it’s high expectations with this shoe. I could tell by the leaked photos it wouldn’t be light. The zoom invincible had a similar mixed response at launch, in a rotation it’s fantastic and one shoe I couldn’t be without now.
My first view of content by you… Such an intelligent viewpoint/approach and just a great video!! Thanks for that! I love version 4 and was quite skeptical about this one. Thus your thoughtful coverage of this will undoubtedly be of great value to other potential fans of the Zoom Fly line of shoes 😊
Great review. Build stats of a shoe are one thing, but it’s about how they preform and how it makes you feel in those sessions. I’ve picked these up and my experience is the same as yours.
Def misunderstood. Quite heavy but awesome for those long cruise intervals 2-3 mile or 10k reps. I wouldn’t use it for a speed workout because it is a bit heavy. It is awesome for half marathon to marathon training. Also to compress the firmer ZoomX foam, you need to be a heavier runner. I actually suggest this for runners weight more than 175 lbs+. It is very cruisy. You get the moderate snap of the plate. It is also quite stable and would suggest it for wide footed runners. I regret selling my Zoom Fly 5 mainly because I took it to race a half marathon and it performed ok. The weight really dragged me in the last 2-3 miles of the race also it has a 41mm stack height at the heel which would be considered illegal. I’m a not elite runner but I’d like to simulate racing conditions including legal limits on the shoes. I think I will buy this shoe again just for training use only.
I agree with what you said about stability being the goal of many of the most recent shoes; it’s important, and they’re realizing that. The lack of stability is the only thing I didn’t like about the Adidas Adios Pro 2.
I’ve only tried the adios pro 3 but I find that nice and stable too so might be worth trying that when you can… as people who have the 2 and 3 say the 3 is much more stable 👍
My Vomero 16 is very heavy in my size 12. It has zoom x and carrier foam, and air pod in front. It behaves in similar way as you describe with Fly 5. It does treshold with ease, it climbs extremely well and it seems very efficient and is very legsaving.
This shoe is super good. Bought it yesterday and done today an easy 10k. Love the stability and the cushioning.. it’s heavy but I actually had to force myself to run slower as it’s easy to pick up pace with it!
Just wanted to return to this video after a series of 25K and 35K runs. It’s spot on the misunderstood shoe you mentioned. It’s amazing for the long runs with more speed than the Invincible 2/3 for example. Feels like a great training partner and getting me ready for the Vaporfly 2 races
Great review, I agree these zoom fly 5 are a great run. I've done 503 km's in mine and they are still in really good condition, this has blown me away as I was an asics runner for years, I would of been lucky to get 300 km's out of a pair of asics before my toes would go through and the tread gone.
Really good video Andy. I agree on the question of weight. I love the Nike invincible run for easy day’s. On my second pair after 530 miles on the first. Yes they are heavy but I don’t really notice it. Wore the adidas Takumi Sen 8 today for 1K reps and yes they are lighter and more nimble but the invincibles don’t feel like bricks in comparison. It might be worth reviewers possibly doing initial runs without knowing the weight which sometimes effects the perception of the shoe. Don’t know if that will be possible these days though.
Exactly , weight is not everything ! This year I had a chance to ran in four different top of the line high cushioning shoes and the best for me was the Adidas Ultraboost 22. It was easily the heaviest but was always a huge pleasure to run using it. Extremely stable, comfortable and with enough consistent energy return to make me keep running for long time ... The Zoomfly 5 this year is like Adidas Adizero Boston 10 was in 2021 ... too much drama but in the end it was a fantastic "new" shoe.
I initially hated this shoe because I felt my runs were slow but the stats showed that I was faster than my hoka Mack 5. Now, I love it and can't seem to want to use my other sneakers in the rotation. I have flat feet so the out sole began to quickly wore out after three 5k runs. But again, I love how comfortable my runs feel. Nike, please make the outsole more durable like asics ahar +rubber. Btw, thank you for this review.
If this exact same shoe wasn't made by Nike, but instead by some of those over hyped brands (I will not mention wich ones) everyone would be praising and saying that the ZF5 would be one of the best trainers of the year... Thanks for being so honest and real Andy 👌👏 (Sorry for the bad English. I'm from Portugal).
Andy, Thank you. I bought mine after your first run review. Haven't done as many runs in it as you have, but I find the shoe really great. Don't notice the weight. I can't run in the Invincible and I find this a great shoe to have in my rotation with the Peg39, VF FlyKnit, StreakFly.
@@TheFODRunner Did a 24,5 Km run today. No hotspots, never noticed the weight. I doubt any of the other shoes I have would have made the longest run I've done in ages possible.
Love your insight on these, Andy!! I just rewatched your awesome video to refresh my memory of your experience with these (and realized I had commented after my initial viewing 😄) I just ordered another pair of edition 4 (stocking up on my favorite shoe), and just when I was pretty sure I should write these off, your high praise makes me so curious to try these. Damn! Haha. Thanks for such a well thought out and articulated presentation of your experience. It’s really valuable to have these kinds of reviews. Please keep up the good work! Cheers.
Interesting reading the comments here that most agree with you. If you look at the comments on reviews of this shoe which are less positive they mostly agree with that view too. Maybe these days we put too much emphasis on a shoe not ourselves. For instance the same shoe I ran 41 mins for 10K in on Sunday I ran 37 in back in January so clearly I just need to change my shoes as they no longer "work" :) You must be fit to do 22 miles at 6:30s in anything plus those interval sessions at a good speed. I think a lot of runners will look at a shoe like the Zoom Fly 5 and think do I need this or maybe one of the other "Tempo" type shoes like the Speed 3, Boston 11, Tempo NEXT%, Hyperion Tempo etc etc and certainly when I tested the Zoom Fly 5 vs Speed 3 was little in it save for the fact that the Speed 3 is 100g lighter in our size and certainly very noticeable uphill. So it would be a tough sell to go for the ZF5 with that sort of choice. If you only had one of these "tempo" then yeah you are going to be able to get out and get on with your training just fine and still have something "better" for race day if you so wished.
Yeah it really does divide opinion… I think it also depends what you’re training for too… it’s not particularly a shoe I’d consider if I was in a speed block… but they’re absolutely ideal for a marathon training block when you’re just logging longer miles 👌
Got these for $70 at a clearance store. Went a half size up cuz I have wide-ish feet. They’re a lot stiffer than what I’m used to but I’m excited to break them in
Still on the injury bench but loving the noises you’re making about the Zoomfly 🤙🏽 also super happy I picked up the original Alphas on the cheap as Im getting the vibe they’ll suit me better than the V2
I'm coming from the Zoom Fly 3... the zoom fly 3 I had to adapt to... then I liked it. The Zoom Fly 5 was entirely different, if I used it like the Zoom Fly 3 I was disappointed. Then I started to use it for longer runs where I want a more fun shoe than than my classic daily trainers. And for that, this shoe is brilliant, completly in love with it till today.
Another misunderstood shoe is the Boston 10. I agree with you shoe company are making shoes for the masses or dare I say it the casual runner. Previous shoe versions are turning bulkier, cushier. I havent tried the the new version of the zoomfly. I got burned with v3. However, I bought the boston 10 and love it. I only feel the extra weight at the end of my runs. But my legs feel great the next day!
Awesome review. Tq Andy. But I do have a dilemma, now that the Vaporfly Next% is constantly on sale, 44% off... It's much cheaper than the ZF5... So I ended up taking 2 pairs of the Vaporfly instead 🤦♂️
Never quite got the obsession with weight in a shoe for training...For me balance comfort structure the way it supports your foot especially for high mileage runners makes more sense to me than obsessing over an ounce or so.
@@i.p2088 Obviously i was making a generalised point there will always be exceptions..im 58 yrs old..can i ask do you use strength work as tool in your running..people over 50 lose muscle strength and density at a much greater rate..if you don't strength train already..drop a run in your routine and strength train instead..
@@i.p2088 Could be something simple as your glutes are not activated/working properly when you run..might be an idea to see a professional who can diagnose and set you out a strengthening programme to suit you
Very interesting Andy, have to say though that you ARE particularly fit these days , so I have to wonder how much the combination of your fitness + your height and weight has to do with your compatibility with the shoe! Whatever it is, it seems like you have an awesome rotation these days designed perfectly for you and your needs!!
Yeah I do feel fitter so I certainly know that’s playing a part.. but just from recent comparisons of runs over the past few weeks these dramatically show a difference in HR, which is very interesting!
I loved the original Zoom Fly Flyknit but fell out of love with the Zoom Fly 3 and 4, found them too aggressive. I was excited by the 5 and ZoomX combo but quickly put off by the hefty weight then even more so by the mixed reviews out there. After your review though, I think I'll give them a go as they sound like they can cover a broader range of training sessions. Thank you!
You were in exactly the same situation as me… the OG version was 10/10, the 3 was poor but this is back in the right direction… it just needs to shed some weight in future versions!
I've been running this zf5 for about 40km and am quite satisfied with the features this shoe offered which balanced in all aspects. My current weight is 79kg, newbies in running, neutral foot, owned peg39 and react infinity fk2. For me its 80% stable as react infinity fk2, got propulsion, my legs have less downtime for recovery, I would say similar effect as I'm running on react fk2. The reason I'm choosing this is due to the wider base, as myself as a newbie in running still in learning to run properly, tend to make a mistake especially in running form, would like to try plated shoe too. Oh yeah...the weight for all my shoes are in size uk 8.5 (zf5 278g), (peg39 270g), (react 293g) and (ub dna 4.0 325g). As for now I'm totally happy with my choice. I would go to vaporfly or alphafly in future, but as for now my legs are unable to wield those shoes yet 🤣. Keep running with less or zero injury guys!
I’m finding after getting the Tempest into my large rotation that lightness and cushioning alone is not always that beneficial. A bit of extra weight and the extra stability of some shoes can be better for the legs than more unstable extra cushioned shoes. I suppose when it comes to race day your choice of shoes will feel lighter and faster as well👍🏻
Sorry Paul, I think the Tempus was overhyped by more neutral runners thinking it will be our God-sent tempo or race shoe. It is not. I reset my expectations and find it to be a good fun daily shoe, nothing more. It did not perform well on my marathon/tempo workout. Where the heavy Zoom Fly 4 excels at it. And possibly in the future.. Zoom Fly 5. :)
After returning shoes online, i only buy them in-store (unless they are a previous model I own). This shoe is tad high, but the Saucony Ephoine 3 was too narrow. New Balance fresh foam 1080 was out of stock. Which there was the New Balance FuelCell trainer to try at the store.
As a big fan of the zoom fly series I purchased the ZF5 twice in the space of 6 months and returned both. I found them very clunky and sloppy and I didn't feel like persevering with them. After trying several big name trainers at higher price point which I wasn't happy with I gave the ZF5 a third try. I couldn't understand why I returned the first two pairs as they felt awesome after sticking with them and giving them a fair go for third time! Much more stable but I'm not sure they'll last as long as the react foam...
Glad I e seen this seen so many reviews that say it’s just a nothing shoe, was lucky have this brought for me for Xmas after just getting back into running after a bad motorbike accident. Super novice runner but enjoyed them and then saw all the bad reviews and was a bit disheartened lol
I have no idea why, but I do get such crazy offers these days. Wasn't going to buy the ZF5, but some dealer from Austria had them for 60(!!!) €! So I just had to click the button couple of minutes ago. Unbelievable price tag and I just could not resist. 🤷😅
Just ordered a pair of these. I hope they are good. UK 11 is the size so I'm assuming it's gona be heavy. But I enjoy casual running at a high pace..let's see how it works out
Ha! this sounds like me trying to explain on Reddit why I love the Zoom Fly 4 so much. Those long fast workouts and tempos were a stable dream (still is) even though I don't use it for speed or daily training. Yeah the ZF2 flyknit was better for speed work and some racing, but they evolved into a good training shoe, especially if you need stability. Now I'm looking forward to getting the ZF5. Next year. On sale. I've got 4 other Zoom Fly's (2/3/4) to retire first.
@@TheFODRunner So update, I got the Zoom Fly 5 and it's just no Zoom Fly 4 for me for the long faster runs. Maybe it's the weight or the cushion but I prefer to wear my daily trainer. But smooth? Yes, it is. Very smooth, especially going down hill which is my favorite thing about the Zoom Fly 4. I can see doing my mid distance GMP miles in this instead of my racing shoes as I'm doing less and less running in super shoes and getting healthier as a result. I also see this as a recovery shoe option as well to baby my flat feet. But Zoom Fly 3 and 4 are still my favorite Zoom Fly's. I probably would've liked the Boston 10/11 if they made my size.
Morning sir, really interesting review, it’s certainly got me thinking as I immediately dismissed this one when I saw it launch based on the spec. Perhaps you are the wrong person to ask here, but how do you think this compares to the tempo next%? I know you hated that shoe, but I have to admit, I absolutely love it. I’ve run up to 50km in it and happily use it for any tempo work or moderate LRs, or LRs where I incorporate MP work. It’s been my go to for anything and everything to accommodate a range of paces and distances and leave me feeling fresh afterwards. It feels like that’s where Nike are heading with the Zoom Fly 5 based on your review, so just wondered how you felt the two shoes stack up vs one another? Thanks for all the marathon content FYI, I have my first major in Chicago in Oct and my first crack at sub 3hrs so all your content right now is perfect!🙌🏻
Awesome! Best of luck with Chicago in October!! So yeah, I’m not a massive fan of the tempo next% sadly, I find these zoom fly 5 much more efficient as I feel they are so smooth. I did another workout in them yesterday which wasn’t included in my video… sub theshold 3 x 10 minutes and my average HR for the reps was around 154… my mind was blown slightly!! So I have to say these are way more efficient
@@TheFODRunner I like it sir and strong stuff indeed, wishing you all the best for Lon and I’ll be there in the crowds cheering on yourself and everyone else running such a great race so look fwd to seeing you fly passed on course for a new PB!💪🏻
How do they fit? I have Nimbus 23 42,5eur and I wear 43 in most Nike basketball shoes. I mostly play basketball I am not a runner! I also tried Triumph 20 in store and I was impressed! I could find Fly5 only in 42 size in store and I was impressed by the way you feel pushing forward 😅.
Yes they push you forward! They fit the same as other shoes so if you’re a 42.5 in the nimbus these would be the same… I didn’t have to size up or down for mine!
I like the shoe, but only for easy and long miles. It’s durable, it’s stable and it has a good grip. I’m a lighter runner, so for me, these are a nightmare for speeding up. They’re just too heavy and clunky for that.
Thank you for this review - I have the Zoom Fly 4 and enjoying it in a similar was as you describe here for the ZF5- How would you compare the 4 vs the 5? Thanks!
I haven’t tried the 4 but the main difference is the midsole, the 4 is react and the 5 is zoomx within a carrier foam so it’s softer 👍 the geometry is the same so it’ll be a similar ride, just softer!
trends come and trends go. As i see it producing and selling running shoes is first of all a business to make money. The past shows, that changing the product is more important than the quality. As a result, some of my best shoes are between 3 and 7 years old. For me personally, the 2022 shoe releases are not what i am looking for. After the first 7 months of the year i still have not bought a single 2022 release. At the moment i have 11 shoes on my list and i will probably buy 3 or 4 of them. The rest will stay there til the 2023 releases are out before i decide what to do. The zoom fly 5 is not on the list for 3 reasons: the weight, the plate and the price. I want shoes without a plate at a reasonable price with some ground feel, and those shoes are not in the 2022 trend.....yes i make an exception once in a while, but for the most part, those 3 aspects make or break a deal for me .....newest shoe on my list is the adidas adizero adios 7 wide😁part of the "shoe fun" everybody looks for something different in running shoes
Totally fair enough! The 2022 shoes will all go down in price next year anyway! The adios 7 is in my size too and there’s a 30% discount to get it for around £84 at the moment 👀
@@TheFODRunner i could only find the adios 6 wide and the adios 7 in the narrow version...i keep looking for the 7 in wide. for me it might be the logical improvement for the Boston 9, with the Boston 10 and 11 completely different shoes which i do not want
Not sure if you’ll be able to open this link as it’s from the adidas app but here is the 7 in wide - adidas.onelink.me/ihha?pid=AppSharePDP&af_dp=adidas%3A%2F%2Fproduct%2FGV9625&af_web_dp=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.adidas.co.uk%2FGV9625.html
I also noticed that I ran way faster than I usually do in other shoes for similar workouts and I thought maybe my Stryd is not calibrated properly :) However, at the end of the workout, I really felt the weight of the shoes. In my size 11 (45 EU) they are 323 grams. For comparison, my VF flyknits are 198g and Alphaflys 253g and VF Next% 223g.
Yes they certainly help you run smoothly and efficiently! I didn’t notice the weight personally but there’s no getting away from just how much heavier they are than other normal shoes!
@@TheFODRunner Especially after hearing it from all the UA-camrs and shoe testers, you start to believe it yourself but in the beginning of the workout, they didn't feel heavy
Hi Andy, I noticed that there are some guys comparing Endorphin Speed 3 with Zoom Fly 5. How would you compare Zoom Fly 5 versus Speed 3 or Speed 2? Looks that Zoom Fly 5 is similar running shoe category as Speed 3, but I'm curious how they differ? Thanks,
Yeah definitely similar category but the speeds are much lighter, that’s the main difference! I think weight wise these compare much to the new balance super comp trainer
It could also be that you fitness has improved and that is why you are seeing this great results, lower HR, fresher legs, etc...also temperatures makes a big difference while training. Have you tried doing similar tests with other shoes to compare? Cheers
Yeah I’m fitter as I’m well into my training block now but yes I did some MP work in my vaporfly v2 and the HR was very similar between the two shoes! One week apart it was 157bpm in the vaporfly and 159 in the zoom fly 5… so 2bpm for the extra weight / training shoe is pretty darn good!
Yeah it’s not for everyone! But I think that’s the point of it being misunderstood… they marketed it with zoom x, it has zoom x, so they aren’t wrong… it just has “other elements” as well, hence why people weren’t happy. So it’s not false marketing, it’s clever marketing
Will u choose this or the Peg 39 for a daily trainer/walking around shoe? 😊Im not a runner but I run occasionally and walk most of the time. 😊Mind that I like the look of ZF 5 more
I can’t decide between getting Clifton 9 or zoom fly 5 for summer training heading into cross county. My plan is to get consistent 45 miles or 72km per week and I want a shoe that can hold up on long runs and trails. Clifton 9 and zoom fly 5 are obviously great for those but I don’t know which ones can last for the whole season including up until around christmas?
It’s a love/hate shoe, I don’t think height and weight factor into whether you’ll love it or hate it but what I would say is if previous versions of the shoe worked well for you this this is a solid upgrade 👍
It's Nike it must be good!! It's not... Better Shoes Reebok floatride Energy X Asics Noosa Tri 14 Speed 2/3 NB RC elite v2 Puma deviate nitro elite. Sent my fly5 back to Nike. Great vlog👍
I disagree that the ZF 5's feel similar to either the Vapors or Alphas. Heavy and clunky and even sound loud on pavement! The uppers are teriible with very poor ventilation and I would not recommend using the 5's on a warm day. While Nike perfected the fit especially for broader feet with the Tempos, the 5's are far from that. From a run perspective, they strain your feet on longer runs and are Ok up to the 10k mark. I"ll be using mine for shorter distances and definitely not buy another pair. The are rightfully Misunderstood!
ZF 5"s ventilation is really great! I used it in summer and Hong Kong is hot recently, I feel its ventilation is really great compared to other shoes I owned, I love ZF 5
I got this shoe and even though I loved it somehow I developed some feet pain and I'm not sure if it is the shoe or I just overtrained. I put the shoe up for sale but there is no tracktion on the ad, should I give it another go? Is it even possible that somehow this exact shoe caused my to overpronate and develop some pain under my toes?
Might be worth another small test run? They are quite stable with the plate in them so maybe just another small one to see how they go! If still bad; then pay to push the advert 😂
Novablast 2 for easy running, zoom fly for anything fast 👌 the novablast is very much an easier day shoe and it’s the best shoe for easy running! The carbon plate in the zoom fly makes it great for faster work
Some strange comments being posted here you seem to have attracted the niche sub group of slow runners where the heavier weight of shoe the better .. good luck with that. Clearly rather than call a brick a brick an invented “misunderstood” headline is used, there are many reviews out there but there has been no misunderstanding. This shoe is heavy and other brands offer the same performance for less weight. Weight on a shoe is never good,, it’s like a bike rider saying they want a heavier bike bike for the mountain stages. Even if you plod around at a slow pace a heavy shoe will harm your technique and increase fatigue. Surely as someone who has suffered with injuries you must realise that running in a shoe that increases fatigue increases your risk of injury.
Two sides to the coin,.. there’s your side which is very valid indeed and I totally respect that… the other side is that the efficiency of the shoe for me is almost unrivalled, it’s not generating fatigue at all, unlike the alphafly v2 did, that generates massive fatigue for me. Whereas this I can cruise along very fast at a nice low HR feeling effortless. So the misunderstood is where people are jumping to conclusions based on “its a heavy shoe so it’s terrible”, when infact it’s actually quite the opposite
@@TheFODRunner if there is only one shoe brand shoe choice, then you are correct. But heavy should never be a choice when other brands offer the same but in lighter packages. However individual feel is important if it works for you great. I suspect your training level now is such that your fitness is the thing that gives you the great feeling not the shoe.
Wow. Should have your own channel then mate if you bloody know everything. Andy just related his own experience in his usual transparent manner. Weight has got f'all to do with how good a shoe feels or performs unless you are a sponsored and proper runner. Athletes were still winning marathons and races 10 years ago in so-called heavy shoes and far less technology, so not sure how weight is the only nemesis. Usually weightier shoes "disappear" if they work like a dream. It's entirely subjective. And your heavy-technique-fatigue hypothesis is already shredded because Andy had the experience that he had with a "heavier" shoe. I will add that if you run at a particular cadence that a heavier shoe can still maintain, then that extra weight trains you for absolutely flying in a lighter model, which I've done myself and works like a bomb. The Fly 5 aint a raceday shoe and was never touted as such in any universe. Carry on Andy, really enjoy your honest, personal and objective reviews mate.
A brilliant no b/s, insightful and objective review from a vastly experienced runner who knows! Many thanks Andy!
I dont care about weight if the shoes have stability, structure and mainly energy return. Glideride 2, Tempo Next and Invincible are the best trainers I have and all of them as you said about ZF5 let my legs absolutely fresh after my marathon work outs. Thanks for your review Andy and congrats on your amazing job
Brilliant mate!
I use the Invincible 2 for the long easy and Tempo Next% for the intervals and speed runs - works well!
@@DeeKay1911 I love Tempo Next!
Good review, Andy. I appreciate your take on this shoe. It just shows that you can't make your own judgements off other peoples opinions on whether a shoe is "good" or "bad". You need to try the shoes for yourself to see how you like them. Glad this shoe works for you!
Definitely mate, it’s all so individual!
A great review backed up with stats and put through a range of paces and distances. I guess it’s high expectations with this shoe. I could tell by the leaked photos it wouldn’t be light. The zoom invincible had a similar mixed response at launch, in a rotation it’s fantastic and one shoe I couldn’t be without now.
Thank you 🙏 I tried to give it a good thorough test 👌 yeah I remember the invincible dividing opinion but now so many people love it!
My first view of content by you… Such an intelligent viewpoint/approach and just a great video!! Thanks for that!
I love version 4 and was quite skeptical about this one. Thus your thoughtful coverage of this will undoubtedly be of great value to other potential fans of the Zoom Fly line of shoes 😊
Thanks so much!
Great review. Build stats of a shoe are one thing, but it’s about how they preform and how it makes you feel in those sessions.
I’ve picked these up and my experience is the same as yours.
Awesome! Glad you’re enjoying them too!
Def misunderstood. Quite heavy but awesome for those long cruise intervals 2-3 mile or 10k reps. I wouldn’t use it for a speed workout because it is a bit heavy. It is awesome for half marathon to marathon training. Also to compress the firmer ZoomX foam, you need to be a heavier runner. I actually suggest this for runners weight more than 175 lbs+. It is very cruisy. You get the moderate snap of the plate. It is also quite stable and would suggest it for wide footed runners. I regret selling my Zoom Fly 5 mainly because I took it to race a half marathon and it performed ok. The weight really dragged me in the last 2-3 miles of the race also it has a 41mm stack height at the heel which would be considered illegal. I’m a not elite runner but I’d like to simulate racing conditions including legal limits on the shoes. I think I will buy this shoe again just for training use only.
I agree with what you said about stability being the goal of many of the most recent shoes; it’s important, and they’re realizing that. The lack of stability is the only thing I didn’t like about the Adidas Adios Pro 2.
I’ve only tried the adios pro 3 but I find that nice and stable too so might be worth trying that when you can… as people who have the 2 and 3 say the 3 is much more stable 👍
@@TheFODRunner yeah, I’ve heard the same. Thanks!
My Vomero 16 is very heavy in my size 12. It has zoom x and carrier foam, and air pod in front. It behaves in similar way as you describe with Fly 5. It does treshold with ease, it climbs extremely well and it seems very efficient and is very legsaving.
Yeah I had the vomero 15, similar to the 16, airpod etc and I really enjoyed it, contrary to what alot of people found!
@@TheFODRunner Yes! 👍
This shoe is super good. Bought it yesterday and done today an easy 10k. Love the stability and the cushioning.. it’s heavy but I actually had to force myself to run slower as it’s easy to pick up pace with it!
Just wanted to return to this video after a series of 25K and 35K runs. It’s spot on the misunderstood shoe you mentioned. It’s amazing for the long runs with more speed than the Invincible 2/3 for example. Feels like a great training partner and getting me ready for the Vaporfly 2 races
It is isn’t it!
Great review, I agree these zoom fly 5 are a great run. I've done 503 km's in mine and they are still in really good condition, this has blown me away as I was an asics runner for years, I would of been lucky to get 300 km's out of a pair of asics before my toes would go through and the tread gone.
Really good video Andy. I agree on the question of weight. I love the Nike invincible run for easy day’s. On my second pair after 530 miles on the first. Yes they are heavy but I don’t really notice it. Wore the adidas Takumi Sen 8 today for 1K reps and yes they are lighter and more nimble but the invincibles don’t feel like bricks in comparison. It might be worth reviewers possibly doing initial runs without knowing the weight which sometimes effects the perception of the shoe. Don’t know if that will be possible these days though.
Yeah that’s a really good idea… don’t Chuck them on the scales, just put them on your feet and run!
Exactly , weight is not everything !
This year I had a chance to ran in four different top of the line high cushioning shoes and the best for me was the Adidas Ultraboost 22.
It was easily the heaviest but was always a huge pleasure to run using it. Extremely stable, comfortable and with enough consistent energy return to make me keep running for long time ...
The Zoomfly 5 this year is like Adidas Adizero Boston 10 was in 2021 ... too much drama but in the end it was a fantastic "new" shoe.
I initially hated this shoe because I felt my runs were slow but the stats showed that I was faster than my hoka Mack 5. Now, I love it and can't seem to want to use my other sneakers in the rotation. I have flat feet so the out sole began to quickly wore out after three 5k runs. But again, I love how comfortable my runs feel. Nike, please make the outsole more durable like asics ahar +rubber. Btw, thank you for this review.
If this exact same shoe wasn't made by Nike, but instead by some of those over hyped brands (I will not mention wich ones) everyone would be praising and saying that the ZF5 would be one of the best trainers of the year...
Thanks for being so honest and real Andy 👌👏
(Sorry for the bad English. I'm from Portugal).
Andy, Thank you. I bought mine after your first run review. Haven't done as many runs in it as you have, but I find the shoe really great. Don't notice the weight. I can't run in the Invincible and I find this a great shoe to have in my rotation with the Peg39, VF FlyKnit, StreakFly.
Awesome, so glad you like them!!
@@TheFODRunner Did a 24,5 Km run today. No hotspots, never noticed the weight. I doubt any of the other shoes I have would have made the longest run I've done in ages possible.
Brilliant!
Love your insight on these, Andy!!
I just rewatched your awesome video to refresh my memory of your experience with these (and realized I had commented after my initial viewing 😄)
I just ordered another pair of edition 4 (stocking up on my favorite shoe), and just when I was pretty sure I should write these off, your high praise makes me so curious to try these. Damn! Haha.
Thanks for such a well thought out and articulated presentation of your experience. It’s really valuable to have these kinds of reviews.
Please keep up the good work! Cheers.
Interesting reading the comments here that most agree with you. If you look at the comments on reviews of this shoe which are less positive they mostly agree with that view too. Maybe these days we put too much emphasis on a shoe not ourselves. For instance the same shoe I ran 41 mins for 10K in on Sunday I ran 37 in back in January so clearly I just need to change my shoes as they no longer "work" :) You must be fit to do 22 miles at 6:30s in anything plus those interval sessions at a good speed. I think a lot of runners will look at a shoe like the Zoom Fly 5 and think do I need this or maybe one of the other "Tempo" type shoes like the Speed 3, Boston 11, Tempo NEXT%, Hyperion Tempo etc etc and certainly when I tested the Zoom Fly 5 vs Speed 3 was little in it save for the fact that the Speed 3 is 100g lighter in our size and certainly very noticeable uphill. So it would be a tough sell to go for the ZF5 with that sort of choice. If you only had one of these "tempo" then yeah you are going to be able to get out and get on with your training just fine and still have something "better" for race day if you so wished.
Yeah it really does divide opinion… I think it also depends what you’re training for too… it’s not particularly a shoe I’d consider if I was in a speed block… but they’re absolutely ideal for a marathon training block when you’re just logging longer miles 👌
Got these for $70 at a clearance store. Went a half size up cuz I have wide-ish feet. They’re a lot stiffer than what I’m used to but I’m excited to break them in
Still on the injury bench but loving the noises you’re making about the Zoomfly 🤙🏽 also super happy I picked up the original Alphas on the cheap as Im getting the vibe they’ll suit me better than the V2
Awesome mate if you’ve grabbed the v1 you’ll be onto a winner hopefully! Hope your back out there soon enough 💪
Impressive and substantial review. Not like those hastily done and shallow tip of the iceberg review done by "Believe in the Run" duo.
Agree you Andy on the smooth ride and energy efficiency of the shoe, even if it is heavy! I’ll be keeping it in my rotation. 😊
Smooth aren’t they 👌 they’re now a staple in the rotation!
I'm coming from the Zoom Fly 3... the zoom fly 3 I had to adapt to... then I liked it.
The Zoom Fly 5 was entirely different, if I used it like the Zoom Fly 3 I was disappointed. Then I started to use it for longer runs where I want a more fun shoe than than my classic daily trainers.
And for that, this shoe is brilliant, completly in love with it till today.
Best review of this shoe I’ve seen, really tempted !
Thanks 👌 yeah despite the weight it’s a very efficient shoe!
Thank you for this review... you seem to be the only one to like this shoe. How did you get along with the previous model, Zoom Fly 4?
I think I am 😂 I didn’t try the zoom fly 4 so can’t compare but I did have v3 and this is much bettee
Walk around like John Wayne :D Nice review Andy, I'm thinking of trying these! Haven't run in a Nike shoe for over 8years!
Another misunderstood shoe is the Boston 10. I agree with you shoe company are making shoes for the masses or dare I say it the casual runner. Previous shoe versions are turning bulkier, cushier. I havent tried the the new version of the zoomfly. I got burned with v3. However, I bought the boston 10 and love it. I only feel the extra weight at the end of my runs. But my legs feel great the next day!
Yeah the zoom fly 3 wasn’t great was it, I wasn’t a fan of that version!! Glad you’re loving the Boston 10 💪
i bought this one, and try it. Wow feels great. I can increase speed without give much energy
Awesome review. Tq Andy. But I do have a dilemma, now that the Vaporfly Next% is constantly on sale, 44% off... It's much cheaper than the ZF5... So I ended up taking 2 pairs of the Vaporfly instead 🤦♂️
That’s a good choice! Can’t go wrong with 44% off the vaporfly?!
Never quite got the obsession with weight in a shoe for training...For me balance comfort structure the way it supports your foot especially for high mileage runners makes more sense to me than obsessing over an ounce or so.
I am 60YO and after long runs heavy shoes (above 280gr) kill my hamstring for days.. Lighter shoes have no effect on my hamstring.
@@i.p2088 Obviously i was making a generalised point there will always be exceptions..im 58 yrs old..can i ask do you use strength work as tool in your running..people over 50 lose muscle strength and density at a much greater rate..if you don't strength train already..drop a run in your routine and strength train instead..
@@garymanders1273 thanks. I do nothing except run .. I will look up some strength exercises.
@@i.p2088 Could be something simple as your glutes are not activated/working properly when you run..might be an idea to see a professional who can diagnose and set you out a strengthening programme to suit you
Thank you Andy. I was giving a thought to trying but not sure. I will give them a try.... 🎉
Very interesting Andy, have to say though that you ARE particularly fit these days , so I have to wonder how much the combination of your fitness + your height and weight has to do with your compatibility with the shoe! Whatever it is, it seems like you have an awesome rotation these days designed perfectly for you and your needs!!
Yeah I do feel fitter so I certainly know that’s playing a part.. but just from recent comparisons of runs over the past few weeks these dramatically show a difference in HR, which is very interesting!
@@TheFODRunner Ohhhhh I see, yes, VERY interesting !!
I loved the original Zoom Fly Flyknit but fell out of love with the Zoom Fly 3 and 4, found them too aggressive. I was excited by the 5 and ZoomX combo but quickly put off by the hefty weight then even more so by the mixed reviews out there. After your review though, I think I'll give them a go as they sound like they can cover a broader range of training sessions. Thank you!
You were in exactly the same situation as me… the OG version was 10/10, the 3 was poor but this is back in the right direction… it just needs to shed some weight in future versions!
@@TheFODRunner y'all need to stop hating on my favorite shoe that got me back into performance training! haha!! Viva La Zoom Fly 3! And 4!😄
I've been running this zf5 for about 40km and am quite satisfied with the features this shoe offered which balanced in all aspects. My current weight is 79kg, newbies in running, neutral foot, owned peg39 and react infinity fk2. For me its 80% stable as react infinity fk2, got propulsion, my legs have less downtime for recovery, I would say similar effect as I'm running on react fk2. The reason I'm choosing this is due to the wider base, as myself as a newbie in running still in learning to run properly, tend to make a mistake especially in running form, would like to try plated shoe too. Oh yeah...the weight for all my shoes are in size uk 8.5 (zf5 278g), (peg39 270g), (react 293g) and (ub dna 4.0 325g). As for now I'm totally happy with my choice. I would go to vaporfly or alphafly in future, but as for now my legs are unable to wield those shoes yet 🤣. Keep running with less or zero injury guys!
I’m finding after getting the Tempest into my large rotation that lightness and cushioning alone is not always that beneficial. A bit of extra weight and the extra stability of some shoes can be better for the legs than more unstable extra cushioned shoes. I suppose when it comes to race day your choice of shoes will feel lighter and faster as well👍🏻
Yeah that’s the hope isn’t it… I’ll find out on Saturday when I race but it’s nice to feel lighter on raceday for sure
Sorry Paul, I think the Tempus was overhyped by more neutral runners thinking it will be our God-sent tempo or race shoe. It is not. I reset my expectations and find it to be a good fun daily shoe, nothing more. It did not perform well on my marathon/tempo workout. Where the heavy Zoom Fly 4 excels at it. And possibly in the future.. Zoom Fly 5. :)
After returning shoes online, i only buy them in-store (unless they are a previous model I own). This shoe is tad high, but the Saucony Ephoine 3 was too narrow. New Balance fresh foam 1080 was out of stock. Which there was the New Balance FuelCell trainer to try at the store.
As a big fan of the zoom fly series I purchased the ZF5 twice in the space of 6 months and returned both. I found them very clunky and sloppy and I didn't feel like persevering with them. After trying several big name trainers at higher price point which I wasn't happy with I gave the ZF5 a third try. I couldn't understand why I returned the first two pairs as they felt awesome after sticking with them and giving them a fair go for third time! Much more stable but I'm not sure they'll last as long as the react foam...
Great review Andy. Hoping that the women’s version will make it to the UK very soon!
Thanks! Ah man I hope so too!
Glad I e seen this seen so many reviews that say it’s just a nothing shoe, was lucky have this brought for me for Xmas after just getting back into running after a bad motorbike accident. Super novice runner but enjoyed them and then saw all the bad reviews and was a bit disheartened lol
Went out for a recovery run in mine last night and they felt great! Probably my favourite shoe
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Interesting. Excited to give them a shot
I have no idea why, but I do get such crazy offers these days. Wasn't going to buy the ZF5, but some dealer from Austria had them for 60(!!!) €! So I just had to click the button couple of minutes ago. Unbelievable price tag and I just could not resist. 🤷😅
Just ordered a pair of these. I hope they are good. UK 11 is the size so I'm assuming it's gona be heavy. But I enjoy casual running at a high pace..let's see how it works out
Ha! this sounds like me trying to explain on Reddit why I love the Zoom Fly 4 so much. Those long fast workouts and tempos were a stable dream (still is) even though I don't use it for speed or daily training. Yeah the ZF2 flyknit was better for speed work and some racing, but they evolved into a good training shoe, especially if you need stability. Now I'm looking forward to getting the ZF5. Next year. On sale. I've got 4 other Zoom Fly's (2/3/4) to retire first.
Glad you like it too! It’s a quality training shoe isn’t it 💪 oh man, don’t try and defend yourself on Reddit, it’s a nightmare on there 😂
@@TheFODRunner So update, I got the Zoom Fly 5 and it's just no Zoom Fly 4 for me for the long faster runs. Maybe it's the weight or the cushion but I prefer to wear my daily trainer. But smooth? Yes, it is. Very smooth, especially going down hill which is my favorite thing about the Zoom Fly 4. I can see doing my mid distance GMP miles in this instead of my racing shoes as I'm doing less and less running in super shoes and getting healthier as a result. I also see this as a recovery shoe option as well to baby my flat feet. But Zoom Fly 3 and 4 are still my favorite Zoom Fly's. I probably would've liked the Boston 10/11 if they made my size.
Starting from Zoom Fly 3, the Nike misunderstood child 😂😂
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Morning sir, really interesting review, it’s certainly got me thinking as I immediately dismissed this one when I saw it launch based on the spec. Perhaps you are the wrong person to ask here, but how do you think this compares to the tempo next%? I know you hated that shoe, but I have to admit, I absolutely love it. I’ve run up to 50km in it and happily use it for any tempo work or moderate LRs, or LRs where I incorporate MP work. It’s been my go to for anything and everything to accommodate a range of paces and distances and leave me feeling fresh afterwards. It feels like that’s where Nike are heading with the Zoom Fly 5 based on your review, so just wondered how you felt the two shoes stack up vs one another? Thanks for all the marathon content FYI, I have my first major in Chicago in Oct and my first crack at sub 3hrs so all your content right now is perfect!🙌🏻
Awesome! Best of luck with Chicago in October!! So yeah, I’m not a massive fan of the tempo next% sadly, I find these zoom fly 5 much more efficient as I feel they are so smooth. I did another workout in them yesterday which wasn’t included in my video… sub theshold 3 x 10 minutes and my average HR for the reps was around 154… my mind was blown slightly!! So I have to say these are way more efficient
@@TheFODRunner I like it sir and strong stuff indeed, wishing you all the best for Lon and I’ll be there in the crowds cheering on yourself and everyone else running such a great race so look fwd to seeing you fly passed on course for a new PB!💪🏻
Thanks so much 💪💪
Great video! I couldn't agree more. Thanks for saying what needed to be said.
Great review - good to train in a heavier shoe that shall save your legs in my opinion. Endorphin Speed is always there if people want a lighter shoe.
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How do they fit? I have Nimbus 23 42,5eur and I wear 43 in most Nike basketball shoes. I mostly play basketball I am not a runner! I also tried Triumph 20 in store and I was impressed! I could find Fly5 only in 42 size in store and I was impressed by the way you feel pushing forward 😅.
Yes they push you forward! They fit the same as other shoes so if you’re a 42.5 in the nimbus these would be the same… I didn’t have to size up or down for mine!
@@TheFODRunner Thanks 👍😉😎
I just bought this shoes and used it for 15km.. it was amazing
I like the shoe, but only for easy and long miles. It’s durable, it’s stable and it has a good grip.
I’m a lighter runner, so for me, these are a nightmare for speeding up. They’re just too heavy and clunky for that.
Thank you for this review - I have the Zoom Fly 4 and enjoying it in a similar was as you describe here for the ZF5- How would you compare the 4 vs the 5?
Thanks!
I haven’t tried the 4 but the main difference is the midsole, the 4 is react and the 5 is zoomx within a carrier foam so it’s softer 👍 the geometry is the same so it’ll be a similar ride, just softer!
I love this pair
trends come and trends go. As i see it producing and selling running shoes is first of all a business to make money. The past shows, that changing the product is more important than the quality. As a result, some of my best shoes are between 3 and 7 years old.
For me personally, the 2022 shoe releases are not what i am looking for. After the first 7 months of the year i still have not bought a single 2022 release. At the moment i have 11 shoes on my list and i will probably buy 3 or 4 of them. The rest will stay there til the 2023 releases are out before i decide what to do.
The zoom fly 5 is not on the list for 3 reasons: the weight, the plate and the price.
I want shoes without a plate at a reasonable price with some ground feel, and those shoes are not in the 2022 trend.....yes i make an exception once in a while, but for the most part, those 3 aspects make or break a deal for me
.....newest shoe on my list is the adidas adizero adios 7 wide😁part of the "shoe fun" everybody looks for something different in running shoes
Totally fair enough! The 2022 shoes will all go down in price next year anyway! The adios 7 is in my size too and there’s a 30% discount to get it for around £84 at the moment 👀
@@TheFODRunner i could only find the adios 6 wide and the adios 7 in the narrow version...i keep looking for the 7 in wide. for me it might be the logical improvement for the Boston 9, with the Boston 10 and 11 completely different shoes which i do not want
Not sure if you’ll be able to open this link as it’s from the adidas app but here is the 7 in wide - adidas.onelink.me/ihha?pid=AppSharePDP&af_dp=adidas%3A%2F%2Fproduct%2FGV9625&af_web_dp=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.adidas.co.uk%2FGV9625.html
I wear the Saucony tempus as I am an overpronator. Would you suggest these shoes?
I also noticed that I ran way faster than I usually do in other shoes for similar workouts and I thought maybe my Stryd is not calibrated properly :) However, at the end of the workout, I really felt the weight of the shoes. In my size 11 (45 EU) they are 323 grams. For comparison, my VF flyknits are 198g and Alphaflys 253g and VF Next% 223g.
Yes they certainly help you run smoothly and efficiently! I didn’t notice the weight personally but there’s no getting away from just how much heavier they are than other normal shoes!
@@TheFODRunner Especially after hearing it from all the UA-camrs and shoe testers, you start to believe it yourself but in the beginning of the workout, they didn't feel heavy
I will try these thankyou
Hi Andy, I noticed that there are some guys comparing Endorphin Speed 3 with Zoom Fly 5. How would you compare Zoom Fly 5 versus Speed 3 or Speed 2? Looks that Zoom Fly 5 is similar running shoe category as Speed 3, but I'm curious how they differ? Thanks,
Yeah definitely similar category but the speeds are much lighter, that’s the main difference! I think weight wise these compare much to the new balance super comp trainer
Hi, I have Nike Pegasus 40 and they fit well for me. I have narrow feet, and I wonder if Nike Zoom Fly 5 will fit same as Pegasus 40?
It could also be that you fitness has improved and that is why you are seeing this great results, lower HR, fresher legs, etc...also temperatures makes a big difference while training.
Have you tried doing similar tests with other shoes to compare?
Cheers
Yeah I’m fitter as I’m well into my training block now but yes I did some MP work in my vaporfly v2 and the HR was very similar between the two shoes! One week apart it was 157bpm in the vaporfly and 159 in the zoom fly 5… so 2bpm for the extra weight / training shoe is pretty darn good!
@@TheFODRunner Incredible, feeling like pulling the trigger on the ZF5 (:
I got this shoe at $81 bang for a buck my only carbon plated shoe i can afford. No complain about it is way better than my current cheap running shoe.
Is there a carbon plate in the Zoom Fly 5 like the Zoom Fly 4 has?
Yes
For me this shoe just does not meet my expectations and I think there is better options around for those purposes they market it as something it's not
Yeah it’s not for everyone! But I think that’s the point of it being misunderstood… they marketed it with zoom x, it has zoom x, so they aren’t wrong… it just has “other elements” as well, hence why people weren’t happy. So it’s not false marketing, it’s clever marketing
@@TheFODRunner yeah its like selling an 80 inch tv with only 70 inch being functional. It's still 80 inch.
Will u choose this or the Peg 39 for a daily trainer/walking around shoe? 😊Im not a runner but I run occasionally and walk most of the time. 😊Mind that I like the look of ZF 5 more
Yeah I’d walk around in the Pegasus 39, it’s a comfy shoe for walking!
@@TheFODRunner thanks for that :)
I can’t decide between getting Clifton 9 or zoom fly 5 for summer training heading into cross county. My plan is to get consistent 45 miles or 72km per week and I want a shoe that can hold up on long runs and trails. Clifton 9 and zoom fly 5 are obviously great for those but I don’t know which ones can last for the whole season including up until around christmas?
The zoom fly will go and go and go… the Clifton is probably an amazing shoe (I haven’t tried it) but the foam in hokas doesn’t last quite as long
For a training the weight being higher doesn’t really matter anyway does it? It will just make your race day shoes feel even lighter!
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Zoom fly 4 or 5??? Tkanks
5!
Just snagged these the other week. They make my right foot numb for some reason?
to be honest, a little heavy isnt bad for training. makes you stronger, and when you throw on the vaporfly you will fucking shred your PR.
Too bloody true
I m 170 cm height and 70kg weight, this show is good for my pace 5.30 to 6 workout
It’s a love/hate shoe, I don’t think height and weight factor into whether you’ll love it or hate it but what I would say is if previous versions of the shoe worked well for you this this is a solid upgrade 👍
Which one is good? Asics Gel nimbus 25 or Nike zoom fly 5?
Haven’t tried the nimbus 25 sorry!
Thanks!
Thank you very much, very kind!
'walk around like John Wayne' - we've all been there
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It's Nike it must be good!! It's not...
Better Shoes
Reebok floatride Energy X
Asics Noosa Tri 14
Speed 2/3
NB RC elite v2
Puma deviate nitro elite.
Sent my fly5 back to Nike.
Great vlog👍
Haha! I like the list there, some great shoes! Shame they didn’t work for you 😞
so...its a versatile daily trainer?
I disagree that the ZF 5's feel similar to either the Vapors or Alphas. Heavy and clunky and even sound loud on pavement! The uppers are teriible with very poor ventilation and I would not recommend using the 5's on a warm day. While Nike perfected the fit especially for broader feet with the Tempos, the 5's are far from that. From a run perspective, they strain your feet on longer runs and are Ok up to the 10k mark. I"ll be using mine for shorter distances and definitely not buy another pair. The are rightfully Misunderstood!
ZF 5"s ventilation is really great! I used it in summer and Hong Kong is hot recently, I feel its ventilation is really great compared to other shoes I owned, I love ZF 5
oh dam these look good for a 5k daily trainer
I just got a pair, and wanted to know how many miles did it take to break them in
I think 3/4 runs for me then I started to really find they worked well for me!
I got this shoe and even though I loved it somehow I developed some feet pain and I'm not sure if it is the shoe or I just overtrained. I put the shoe up for sale but there is no tracktion on the ad, should I give it another go? Is it even possible that somehow this exact shoe caused my to overpronate and develop some pain under my toes?
Might be worth another small test run? They are quite stable with the plate in them so maybe just another small one to see how they go! If still bad; then pay to push the advert 😂
Better zoom fly 5 or novablast 2?
Novablast 2 for easy running, zoom fly for anything fast 👌 the novablast is very much an easier day shoe and it’s the best shoe for easy running! The carbon plate in the zoom fly makes it great for faster work
Thanks bro..i will choose ZF5 🤟🤟
this guy could pass as Christian bale older brother
this or peg 38. pick one?
This!
Seems like they copied the nike invincible
Yeah very similar “silhouette” isn’t it
@@TheFODRunner totally different feel though and rather opposite end of softness considering supposedly the same foam at its core.
How does this compare to the Hoka bondi 7?
I haven’t tried the bondi sorry!
Just can't run in wet weather, vacuum shoe
Some strange comments being posted here you seem to have attracted the niche sub group of slow runners where the heavier weight of shoe the better .. good luck with that. Clearly rather than call a brick a brick an invented “misunderstood” headline is used, there are many reviews out there but there has been no misunderstanding. This shoe is heavy and other brands offer the same performance for less weight. Weight on a shoe is never good,, it’s like a bike rider saying they want a heavier bike bike for the mountain stages. Even if you plod around at a slow pace a heavy shoe will harm your technique and increase fatigue. Surely as someone who has suffered with injuries you must realise that running in a shoe that increases fatigue increases your risk of injury.
Two sides to the coin,.. there’s your side which is very valid indeed and I totally respect that… the other side is that the efficiency of the shoe for me is almost unrivalled, it’s not generating fatigue at all, unlike the alphafly v2 did, that generates massive fatigue for me. Whereas this I can cruise along very fast at a nice low HR feeling effortless. So the misunderstood is where people are jumping to conclusions based on “its a heavy shoe so it’s terrible”, when infact it’s actually quite the opposite
@@TheFODRunner if there is only one shoe brand shoe choice, then you are correct. But heavy should never be a choice when other brands offer the same but in lighter packages. However individual feel is important if it works for you great. I suspect your training level now is such that your fitness is the thing that gives you the great feeling not the shoe.
Wow. Should have your own channel then mate if you bloody know everything. Andy just related his own experience in his usual transparent manner. Weight has got f'all to do with how good a shoe feels or performs unless you are a sponsored and proper runner. Athletes were still winning marathons and races 10 years ago in so-called heavy shoes and far less technology, so not sure how weight is the only nemesis. Usually weightier shoes "disappear" if they work like a dream. It's entirely subjective. And your heavy-technique-fatigue hypothesis is already shredded because Andy had the experience that he had with a "heavier" shoe. I will add that if you run at a particular cadence that a heavier shoe can still maintain, then that extra weight trains you for absolutely flying in a lighter model, which I've done myself and works like a bomb. The Fly 5 aint a raceday shoe and was never touted as such in any universe. Carry on Andy, really enjoy your honest, personal and objective reviews mate.
I’s a great shoe, the issue for me is that it is so f….g rigid