Jaw dropping! This is back when directors wanted to show the fighters’ skill rather convey the “thrill” of seeing something through a go-pro. How I wish the shaky-cam school of camerawork would die out and beautiful choreography like this could be enjoyed for what it really is!
Agreed but it's also due to lazy ass actors as well. They think getting in shape is enough just to use quick cuts and shaky cam to hide their inadequacies. Imagine if we got this in a Batman film? Batman v Philo Zeiss, Batman v Lady Shiva, Batman v Ra’s Al Ghul.
I remember seeing this movie on the shelf at the video store, I always passed it up after reading the description. Finally after a year I watched it and it ended up being one of my favorite samurai movies.
Glad you watched the film eventually. I have given up description for a long time, they could be poor indicators of the quality of the film. So now I usually do it the other way round, watch any movie I like first and then read the description, you will realise how often description fail to capture the essence of the film.
Saw this movie only last year. What a treat!!!!!!!!! Love his movies Max my Love and In the Realm of Senses. Saw them when I was a teen:)))) If bunch of guys commenting on this clip knew what this movie was about LOL
Well yes, the Tsuba is basically a last resort to stop an incoming sword from your hands. Try to deflect the other weapon with your own blade like in the vid at 0:08. In longsword fencing for example you often let the incoming blade slide up to the crossguard so you can trap it and use leverage on it. However this is rarely done in Kenjutsu, they use a more ''bashing'' style so to speak.
@@KoRNeRd True. But one can clearly see an emphasis ofor not using the guard as a main stop for the other blade, just like in Chinese swordsmanship or every other weapon with minimal hand protection. To be honest, I think more and more that even in European medieval swordsmanship this should be the case. Our modern blunt swords slide far too much donw compared to the sharp swords, which make us think that it should be that way. And true, there are enough proofs in treatise for that, but probably no as much as we do it in comparison.
What an excellent round of kendo matches with the boken; and not outlandish choreography like you get with American interpretations of Japanese swordsmanship. I’m definitely checking this movie out. Thanks for sharing.
Kendo has nothing to do with Japanese swordsmanship. It was a well meant development, and it may even have been instrumental in preserving enough interest in the real thing to have been instrumental in what little has survived.
Gohatto in old translation means "Against The Law" but in the more contemporary use of the term it has become "Taboo". More than a film of Homosexuality between Samurai, it is instead a play of forces, primarily between Discipline and Attraction, between the Unyielding and Exhilaration. While much is made ( specifically in the West ) regarding the Homoerotic tones of the film, this is not the primary focus.
I more or less agree... with a slight difference. I repeating what I wrote for my IMDb review (because I could not remember exactly how I’d put it.) “Same sex relationships figure in the plot, so I count this as one my ten best gay films. But it is not a gay film in any other sense except that the desire and love is for the same sex. The dialog is literate and witty, the characters are multidimensional, and the story has many levels. It is a meditation on beauty, obsession, jealousy, order, and disorder. This movie is fascinating, mysterious, and exquisite.”
Is about how be desirable push you out from assimilation in dark. Limited you. By the way I laugh on the this movie: Camera focusing on how serious and frustrated is uglyness agening was comic.
I think Musashi's defeat of that samurai armed with a real blade by the riverside was the best i've seen. I wish I could remember the episode but he knocked the guy out cold
@@chrisdooley6468 that was Samurai 1, 2, and 3 with actor, Toshiro Mifune. The scene was the battle between Musashi Miyamoto and Sasaki Kojiro. Musashi used a boken made from a boat oar, against Sasaki's katana. Sasaki Kojiro was killed. Lookup "Samurai III: Duel at Ganryu Island" on youtube for the video clip
Looks as authentic as it can be to (me) someone who doesn't practice Kendo or Kenjutsu. Rare to see in any film. Hollywood or HK. Have to give this director/producer credit. Wonder if this movie is on bluray...4k bluray? :)
Holy crap, that is pretty much the only somewhat real demonstration of Japanese swordsmanship I have ever seen in cinema. I have lived in Japan for many years, and even here the cinema usually likes to use "Jackie Chan" or "The Matrix," fight choreography rather than use real fighting techniques. The matches in the scene were a little drawn out, but quite realistic. Ordinarily a match, be it kendo, judo, or even sumo, is over in a matter of seconds, and not a 5 minute (or more) scene like in a movie.
What are you talking about?, Japan had fight choreographers and real swordmasters as consultants in a lot of his movies . Kihachi Okamoto has some of the best sword fights in his samurai flicks. If you want to see more real Kenjutsu watch Falling Camellia 2018.
For those who think these Samurai look feminine, they are young boys. Young boys had hair like that before "Genpuku." If older men had hair like that, they are probably "Ronin (samurai without lord)."
At the start of the movie, the young and handsome Kanō Sōzaburō (Ryuhei Matsuda) is admitted to the Shinsengumi, an elite samurai group led by Kondō Isami (Yoichi Sai) that seeks to defend the Tokugawa shogunate against reformist forces. He is a very skilled swordsman, but it is his appearance that makes many of the others in the (strictly male) group, both students and superiors, attracted to him, creating tension within the group of people vying for Kanō's affections.
There are battoudo practicioners who fight without tsuba. Their fighting school focuses on cutting while drawing the sword, and the aim is to end a fight with a single blow, using "the perfect cut" (zan). When a katana is in the making, it goes through a dozen traditional manufacturers, each specialized on their on thing, before its ready. Then, finally, the blade arrives at the tester´s hand with plain tsuka and saya, only for testing poupouses, without tsuba. Maybe thats how battoudo was born.
Hey gang. I studied bujinkan judo taijutsu for about 4 yrs made it to 4th kyu not a black belt. 4 tests away. I picked up my training again for about 2 yrs again. I’ve met many “fencers” some of my instructors even claimed to of been fencers. I tried my hand at European style fencing. Idk i began epee. I wanted to use my right hand. For I have one eye. My left eye is missing. I wanted to train weight handed since I was more interested in technical ability and learning to fence properly. The teacher demanded I use my left. After a moment of training I picked up the basics. However. I was challenged by the best student. He wanted to win. So. In a slight jade. I used a technique I learned from the bujinkan however with my left hand. I learned in the bujinkan a left handed samurai wouldn’t make it. For the angles of holding such a weapon with the left hand leaves real opportunity. However. I used a technique of aiming my sword down. And in a swwwping motion capturing the sword. “Swui no Kata” and using “gyokko ryu” like footwork to “slip” a parry and win every time he “lunged” I won every one…. Idk.I heard horro stories of trying to fence with someone who didn’t know what he was doing…also I wonder if being a left handed fender offered me more opportunity as opposed to my right handed opponent. All I say is. -I felt like Peter Pan. Armed with my beloved. “Oniyurir” tiger Lilly Flexing over the mountains and through the valleys Since then. I ponder left handed? May of have me the upper hand? Any European fencers would like to answer that? The matches were”I claim With e techniques of the bujinkan l simply Put. Too easy. 😎
Alright gang … I allegedly thwarted European fencing with Japanese ninjutsu… I was left handed Used “Hicho no kame” And applied “gyokko ryu” “Boxer type footwork” I used my left hand wanted fright had. Since I virtually cannot see My left hand. Basically ya’ll want to challenge me to tennis and see my try with a left hand. Or better yet take me to the batting cages and ask me to bat left handed I blow my own mind…and write a letter to my inner 10 yrs old striking out. -bat right handed son.
Not hicho. “Hicho no kame” We stand on one foot without sinking the knee-relatively impossible In western worlds. However if you understand I was a Make Dancer then Hicho has no sink And your ballet twirl was running g over the mountains and through the “many…many” valleys.
I think that depends a lot in the approach that your teacher may have, some may give a lot of importance to tournaments, and some other teachers may treat kendo as a real martial art and not only as a sport. You know, there are some martial "arts" that are very corrupted these days because they just became a combat sport.
A lot of really skilled martial artists, and a lesson in how different sword styles can complement and nullify each other. The whole story is about how the men in one group are messed up by the new pretty boy who has been sent to infiltrate their group. It's, in Western terms, a tragic comedy. Loved it.
contd involved in over his lifetime.Painting and calligraphy being just 2 of them. His style of martial art is known as Niten ichi ryu and loosley means "two heavens" style. Japanese Kenjutsu predates Mussashi by centries and the techniques of the tachi date to the period when the chokuto(straight sword) was still in use and the curved sabre was only just introduced. Kenjutsu is not a "sport" anywhere and as long as the Japanese have anything to do with it,never will be a "sport"
Well ... At the end of the day it is a movie, although there are still reasons for it. Even being made of wood, a bokuto can puncture surprisingly deep. Thrust are particularly dangerous movements and most kenjutsu schools teach them (at first) to practice aiming for above the head or to the chest for safety.
Do anyone know if the main actor (ryuhei matsuda as kanno) was only 15/16 while casting in this movie? I kinda shocked tbh...i thought he was like older from the role that he played (18).....
Most Koryu schools don't use the Tsuba, this has nothing to do with a particular style. The perfect cut that ends a fight, while not basically impossible is a romantic idea of movies. Although to learn such techniques in Katas is a good way to become better and learning the fundamentals, you shouldn't think that a real swordfight would be that clean.
not a big fan of japanese sword fighting since i practice western technique but this is really great stuff. im guessing this is a movie and im glad such technique is used and not random flailing and sword swinging
Interesting thing, feminine looking guys in medieval Japan were something like the ideal of masculinity. Also, this scene contains some of the best Japanese actors at that time.
Because the lower classes ate coarse grain and developed strong facial muscle, the upper classes ate fine food and had delicate features, or so went the logic of the time.
I agree I wasn't saying that a Tsuba wasn't useful! I wouldn't go into a fight without a Tsuba! ;-) However, if it is for basic apprenticeship I think it is important to not rely on it but to use the proper deflecting techniques using mostly the blade. Furthermore although a plastic or leather tsuba works fine against Bokken or Shinai, I guess a steel sword clashing against a steel tsuba might bounce off and hit your arms. Well I might be wrong as I never tried this out on my precious Katana ;-)
Technically it is not possible to practice both at the same time.Kenjutsu is about real combat with the sword and Iaijutsu is about DRAWING the sword in combat situations. In REALITY Iaijutsu/do is about the immeddiate quick draw and a LIMITED series of techniques(parries,attacks,and cuts/slashes) followed by noto(resheathing the sword). There is a small amount of cross over but Kenjutsu is about SUSTAINED exchange of techniques.
Was that Tadanobu Asano in the last match? Must've been playing one of the veteran members of Shinsengumi, Saito perhaps or Hijikata. He pretty much cheated to get a win, that sacrificial simultaneous strike he did in the end which resulted in him taking a slash to the abdomen while cutting his opponents hands off a few seconds later would only work if he was wearing armor. Only a wily veteran would've thought to do that.
He didn't get the win, he lost the match. The first to cut is the winner. Okita Souji (the finest swordsman in the Shinsengumi) is testing recruits one by one. The fact that he had to drop his sword after being struck across the forearms does not mean he lost. It's also a testament to how good he is as a swordsman that all his opponents wore armor (for their protection) whereas he wore none. He's essentially toying with all of them and none of the matches were particularly close. Okita's famous "triple thrust" technique is also on display at 1:25. And yes, it's Tadanobu Asano as a new recruit. What we're supposed to take away from his match here is that while he's not nearly on Okita's level, he (and Sozaburo before him) are able to at least compete with him in different ways: Sozaburo with technical skill and Tashiro (Asano's character) with physical strength and aggression. They are "good" swordsmen. Hijikata is sitting with Kondo watching the match, evaluating the new recruits (the purpose of these matches).
One got the other's wrists right after the other had already hit him in the belly. I wonder if the body armor gave him the advantage, which is why the other had to drop his katana. I don't know much about kendo other than that each body part has a score, the forehead being the highest and the wrists also being very high. But I like to watch hard-fought kendo, and this is a great scene.
In the case of what you saw, it wasn't like your typical kendo match, but rather something akin to open sword sparring with considerations to realistic battlefield conditions. This is why one of them isn't wearing a 'dou' protector (the 'armour' over the waist). Anyways, considering a real 'samurai' sword fight, the wrists is a much more valuable target when compared to the waist as disabling the wrists (particularly the dominant sword hand) in a fight would mean putting an end the opponent's ability to fight. Slashing the waist, on the other hand, may become a nuisance to the individual, but technically speaking, they could still carry on the fight like what you saw. In kenjutsu (art of traditional sword-fighting) and kendo (the modernised successor to kenjutsu) it is ideal to aim for moves that would end the fight in as little time as possible as prolonged fights would lead to the increased likelihood of mistakes and physical weakness. From a realistic samurai battle perspective, it could even mean an increased likelihood of death. For this reason, the head and wrist are considered ideal/higher-scoring targets in kendo. The waist while important is generally considered as an option only when it is either a more efficient target (easiest to hit at the time) or you cannot aim for head/wrists.
@@TylerDurden-oy2hm You're welcome! This was the old version of kendo, it was named "gekkiken" and it was the combative form of kenjutsu schools to prepare for duels (in fact, in some styles it is still used, apart from kata). Cheers!
Well yes, it is common to put the hand on the back of the Katana to be more precise in thrusting or to have more leverage in some situations. However, because they do not grip the sword around the blade but only at the back or sides (one could do it despite the sharpness) I feel it is a little less versatile because you can mainly ''push'' on the outside direction and not pull e.g. to make a lock or to have leverage on your opponent.
@666asiamalaysia999 Yes. i know what kendo means "way of the sword" but i didnt know what kenjutsu mean but i know they prinsipe of it (training) idk but i think kenjutsu reminds me little of Iaido
I do not agree, no Kenutsu technique I know do use the tsuba as active defense, which might be the reason why they often train without it. It is kind of a supervision that you use the techniques correctly, i.e. without being confident that the Tsuba will protect your hands. I can only guess but I'd say if your hands are beaten up means you're not deflecting the other sword with your sword correctly. Try to push the incoming blade aside with the entire sword not just the tip.
from what i understand, back in japan a man having sex with men was considered as a different kind of sexual act and not a sexual orientation. I still cant believe uesugi kenshin had sexual relations with his vassal naoe kanetsugu
Actually he is not, and if you had watched the movie you knew: *he* killed everyone of those who *got killed*. He only tried to let everyone believe that they killed each other.
Wood forgives. Steel unforgiven. Edit: Meaning the mistakes one makes in defending wood forgives these mistakes, in contrast to steel a mistake leads to injury or fatality.
Jaw dropping! This is back when directors wanted to show the fighters’ skill rather convey the “thrill” of seeing something through a go-pro. How I wish the shaky-cam school of camerawork would die out and beautiful choreography like this could be enjoyed for what it really is!
I too hate the shaky cam. A product of lazy directors.
it will come back
Agreed. Gorgeous display of very believable koryu swordsmanship.
XD Shaky cams for fight scenes are not new. You can see them in samurai movies from the golden era too.
Agreed but it's also due to lazy ass actors as well. They think getting in shape is enough just to use quick cuts and shaky cam to hide their inadequacies. Imagine if we got this in a Batman film? Batman v Philo Zeiss, Batman v Lady Shiva, Batman v Ra’s Al Ghul.
This is pretty well choreographed, not overly exaggerated like some other movies.
this is awesome, i love the best martial artist he has perfected his core balance, his feet strength,his distance and all the disciplines!
I remember seeing this movie on the shelf at the video store, I always passed it up after reading the description. Finally after a year I watched it and it ended up being one of my favorite samurai movies.
Glad you watched the film eventually.
I have given up description for a long time, they could be poor indicators of the quality of the film. So now I usually do it the other way round, watch any movie I like first and then read the description, you will realise how often description fail to capture the essence of the film.
Love the "seeing this movie on the shelf at the video store" comment. Guilty as well. That brings memories back :-)
Saw this movie only last year. What a treat!!!!!!!!! Love his movies Max my Love and In the Realm of Senses. Saw them when I was a teen:)))) If bunch of guys commenting on this clip knew what this movie was about LOL
Yep. It's a great movie for some of us that were "closeted" back in the 1990's-2000's in budo.
The choreography is top shelf. Now to find the movie...
Try Amazon
Its also called Taboo, its not bad, if you dont mind a movie about homosexual samurai
@@New2Kendo
Yeah, that part of apprenticeship they don't mention in the application process 😮
My favorite movie...
wow awesome randori .. to bad most movies dont show this kind of sword skills
Well yes, the Tsuba is basically a last resort to stop an incoming sword from your hands. Try to deflect the other weapon with your own blade like in the vid at 0:08.
In longsword fencing for example you often let the incoming blade slide up to the crossguard so you can trap it and use leverage on it. However this is rarely done in Kenjutsu, they use a more ''bashing'' style so to speak.
Depends on kenjutsu style, there are multiple, just like in long sword.
@@KoRNeRd True. But one can clearly see an emphasis ofor not using the guard as a main stop for the other blade, just like in Chinese swordsmanship or every other weapon with minimal hand protection.
To be honest, I think more and more that even in European medieval swordsmanship this should be the case. Our modern blunt swords slide far too much donw compared to the sharp swords, which make us think that it should be that way. And true, there are enough proofs in treatise for that, but probably no as much as we do it in comparison.
your words are true
What an excellent round of kendo matches with the boken; and not outlandish choreography like you get with American interpretations of Japanese swordsmanship. I’m definitely checking this movie out. Thanks for sharing.
There are wild Japanese movies with greatly over exaggerated choreography, this is just a more realistic movie in the tradition of Kurosawa
Kendo has nothing to do with Japanese swordsmanship. It was a well meant development, and it may even have been instrumental in preserving enough interest in the real thing to have been instrumental in what little has survived.
This isnt kendo, its kenjutsu, back in the 1800's i could say kendo applies here but it really no longer does, not at all.
I rented this movie to see with my family... Little did I know
what happened? wait, dont tell me, i haven't watched it
lol XD
hehe!
@@xirensixseo It's super gay. (like actually)
@@zongzoogly4549 like they play with sticks... in bed...
Just wow! I must go see this movie.
Just a short time later, The Matrix (1999) was filmed on this very set for the Neo v. Morpheus scene
Very cool little factoid there
Gohatto in old translation means "Against The Law" but in the more contemporary use of the term it has become "Taboo". More than a film of Homosexuality between Samurai, it is instead a play of forces, primarily between Discipline and Attraction, between the Unyielding and Exhilaration. While much is made ( specifically in the West ) regarding the Homoerotic tones of the film, this is not the primary focus.
Excellent comment. Thank you very much for sharing it.
I more or less agree... with a slight difference. I repeating what I wrote for my IMDb review (because I could not remember exactly how I’d put it.)
“Same sex relationships figure in the plot, so I count this as one my ten best gay films. But it is not a gay film in any other sense except that the desire and love is for the same sex. The dialog is literate and witty, the characters are multidimensional, and the story has many levels. It is a meditation on beauty, obsession, jealousy, order, and disorder. This movie is fascinating, mysterious, and exquisite.”
Is about how be desirable push you out from assimilation in dark. Limited you. By the way I laugh on the this movie: Camera focusing on how serious and frustrated is uglyness agening was comic.
This film is almost too beautiful to watch…but I love it. ❤❤❤
best bokken scene in a movie
Otori Shingen after the rain
I think Musashi's defeat of that samurai armed with a real blade by the riverside was the best i've seen. I wish I could remember the episode but he knocked the guy out cold
@@chrisdooley6468 that was Samurai 1, 2, and 3 with actor, Toshiro Mifune. The scene was the battle between Musashi Miyamoto and Sasaki Kojiro. Musashi used a boken made from a boat oar, against Sasaki's katana. Sasaki Kojiro was killed.
Lookup "Samurai III: Duel at Ganryu Island" on youtube for the video clip
@@amadeussmith693 yeah that was superb...pure class
Looks as authentic as it can be to (me) someone who doesn't practice Kendo or Kenjutsu. Rare to see in any film. Hollywood or HK. Have to give this director/producer credit. Wonder if this movie is on bluray...4k bluray? :)
Holy crap, that is pretty much the only somewhat real demonstration of Japanese swordsmanship I have ever seen in cinema. I have lived in Japan for many years, and even here the cinema usually likes to use "Jackie Chan" or "The Matrix," fight choreography rather than use real fighting techniques. The matches in the scene were a little drawn out, but quite realistic. Ordinarily a match, be it kendo, judo, or even sumo, is over in a matter of seconds, and not a 5 minute (or more) scene like in a movie.
What are you talking about?, Japan had fight choreographers and real swordmasters as consultants in a lot of his movies . Kihachi Okamoto has some of the best sword fights in his samurai flicks.
If you want to see more real Kenjutsu watch Falling Camellia 2018.
Great...now I gotta see the whole movie
For those who think these Samurai look feminine, they are young boys. Young boys had hair like that before "Genpuku." If older men had hair like that, they are probably "Ronin (samurai without lord)."
Those were guys? Wtf!!! I thought the one was for sure a woman.
You do realize this movie is about a homosexual samurai right?
At the start of the movie, the young and handsome Kanō Sōzaburō (Ryuhei Matsuda) is admitted to the Shinsengumi, an elite samurai group led by Kondō Isami (Yoichi Sai) that seeks to defend the Tokugawa shogunate against reformist forces. He is a very skilled swordsman, but it is his appearance that makes many of the others in the (strictly male) group, both students and superiors, attracted to him, creating tension within the group of people vying for Kanō's affections.
Honestly they don't look feminine for me, perhaps it's just the hair.
And maybe the behavior aswell.
Many may not like Tom cruise, but the last samurai has great depictions of heart, discipline and kendo fighting
There are battoudo practicioners who fight without tsuba. Their fighting school focuses on cutting while drawing the sword, and the aim is to end a fight with a single blow, using "the perfect cut" (zan).
When a katana is in the making, it goes through a dozen traditional manufacturers, each specialized on their on thing, before its ready. Then, finally, the blade arrives at the tester´s hand with plain tsuka and saya, only for testing poupouses, without tsuba. Maybe thats how battoudo was born.
Hey gang. I studied bujinkan judo taijutsu for about 4 yrs made it to 4th kyu not a black belt. 4 tests away.
I picked up my training again for about 2 yrs again.
I’ve met many “fencers” some of my instructors even claimed to of been fencers.
I tried my hand at European style fencing. Idk i began epee. I wanted to use my right hand. For I have one eye. My left eye is missing. I wanted to train weight handed since I was more interested in technical ability and learning to fence properly. The teacher demanded I use my left.
After a moment of training I picked up the basics. However. I was challenged by the best student.
He wanted to win.
So.
In a slight jade.
I used a technique I learned from the bujinkan however with my left hand. I learned in the bujinkan a left handed samurai wouldn’t make it. For the angles of holding such a weapon with the left hand leaves real opportunity.
However.
I used a technique of aiming my sword down. And in a swwwping motion capturing the sword.
“Swui no Kata” and using “gyokko ryu” like footwork to “slip” a parry and win every time he “lunged”
I won every one….
Idk.I heard horro stories of trying to fence with someone who didn’t know what he was doing…also I wonder if being a left handed fender offered me more opportunity as opposed to my right handed opponent.
All
I say is.
-I felt like Peter Pan.
Armed with my beloved.
“Oniyurir” tiger Lilly
Flexing over the mountains and through the valleys
Since then.
I ponder left handed? May of have me the upper hand?
Any European fencers would like to answer that?
The matches were”I claim
With e techniques of the bujinkan l simply
Put.
Too easy.
😎
Alright gang … I allegedly thwarted European fencing with Japanese ninjutsu…
I was left handed
Used
“Hicho no kame”
And applied “gyokko ryu”
“Boxer type footwork”
I used my left hand wanted fright had. Since I virtually cannot see
My left hand.
Basically ya’ll want to challenge me to tennis and see my try with a left hand.
Or better yet take me to the batting cages and ask me to bat left handed I blow my own mind…and write a letter to my inner 10 yrs old striking out.
-bat right handed son.
Not hicho.
“Hicho no kame”
We stand on one foot without sinking the knee-relatively impossible
In western worlds.
However if you understand
I was a
Make
Dancer then Hicho has no sink
And your ballet twirl was running g over the mountains and through the “many…many” valleys.
Never stink your knee in Hicho no make otherwise it’s not right.
And I digress…
“Icho.no.kamae”
?
According to pooletugesw sieceret history…
I ask.
1:49……
Nope. A samurai knew what a “@.!;!:&:” lunge was.
Anyways I am a one eyed goblin who can destroy
Your italian
And Spainish fencing….
I must dithers
And warn lol
A goblin
A one eyed goblin
This was one of the best samurai movies I've ever seen. I think it's called Taboo in English.
Exactly!
Awesome opening scene.
I think that depends a lot in the approach that your teacher may have, some may give a lot of importance to tournaments, and some other teachers may treat kendo as a real martial art and not only as a sport. You know, there are some martial "arts" that are very corrupted these days because they just became a combat sport.
A lot of really skilled martial artists, and a lesson in how different sword styles can complement and nullify each other.
The whole story is about how the men in one group are messed up by the new pretty boy who has been sent to infiltrate their group.
It's, in Western terms, a tragic comedy. Loved it.
I do hope that is enough for you for now as I have to go to work.This is a great discussion and I would like to continue some other time.
Cheers John
Incredible! Thank you from Argentina.
contd
involved in over his lifetime.Painting and calligraphy being just 2 of them.
His style of martial art is known as Niten ichi ryu and loosley means "two heavens" style.
Japanese Kenjutsu predates Mussashi by centries and the techniques of the tachi date to the period when the chokuto(straight sword) was still in use and the curved sabre was only just introduced.
Kenjutsu is not a "sport" anywhere and as long as the Japanese have anything to do with it,never will be a "sport"
Kenjustu is not a sport. Kendo is.
The first guy is swinging at angles way above his opponents head
Well ... At the end of the day it is a movie, although there are still reasons for it. Even being made of wood, a bokuto can puncture surprisingly deep.
Thrust are particularly dangerous movements and most kenjutsu schools teach them (at first) to practice aiming for above the head or to the chest for safety.
AWESOME skills!
iMan! I loved this. Really like that 1'st thrust move. I thought the ones after that were neat to. Beatiful scene.
i liked this movie and Mibu Gishi den (made me cry)
That was so good, now I´ll watch tis movie ^^
I actually learned a tiny bit of swordsmanship just watching this.
Watch kendo, iaido, and kenjutsu, you’ll learn more
Do anyone know if the main actor (ryuhei matsuda as kanno) was only 15/16 while casting in this movie? I kinda shocked tbh...i thought he was like older from the role that he played (18).....
I love samurai movies & Training such a beautifully Lethal form of combat.
Very well done. One of the more realistic sword fights.
so skilled lady
Great movie
Main actor so handsome,i like him from all my heart
Magnifique....
Most Koryu schools don't use the Tsuba, this has nothing to do with a particular style.
The perfect cut that ends a fight, while not basically impossible is a romantic idea of movies. Although to learn such techniques in Katas is a good way to become better and learning the fundamentals, you shouldn't think that a real swordfight would be that clean.
The bokken hit on both harm was looking very painfull🥲
great show. well done
Just by watching this, you’d never think this is a movie about gay samurais
I wish Samauri still existed.
i would say this was a perfect demonstration.
Not even close; fight is pretty weak.
I've forgotten the name of this movie so I typed for "Samurai Gay Movie" and there it was, first option xD
hahahahahaha
It called taboo. i had the Dvd i was mind fuck when i saw the Gay Samurai part but the kendo part was worth it.
hahaha fuck you too XD
BloodyMonster then why is it written "gohatto" in the title?
you're a full master in using google search lol
La esgrima japonesa es increíble
not a big fan of japanese sword fighting since i practice western technique but this is really great stuff. im guessing this is a movie and im glad such technique is used and not random flailing and sword swinging
ok. Y donde la puedo ver. aiuda.
It's a good movie.
Increíble!! Desearía ver la película completa :c
Interesting thing, feminine looking guys in medieval Japan were something like the ideal of masculinity. Also, this scene contains some of the best Japanese actors at that time.
By the way, Ryuuhei Matsuda was only 15-16 when he filmed Taboo.
it's because most of the Samurai were homosexuals and wanted a softer look for each other. Not saying that in a derogatory way at all just how it was.
Because the lower classes ate coarse grain and developed strong facial muscle, the upper classes ate fine food and had delicate features, or so went the logic of the time.
That's because "feminine" and "masculine" are cultural inventions.
@@dougs7367 based on biological observations
I agree I wasn't saying that a Tsuba wasn't useful! I wouldn't go into a fight without a Tsuba! ;-)
However, if it is for basic apprenticeship I think it is important to not rely on it but to use the proper deflecting techniques using mostly the blade.
Furthermore although a plastic or leather tsuba works fine against Bokken or Shinai, I guess a steel sword clashing against a steel tsuba might bounce off and hit your arms. Well I might be wrong as I never tried this out on my precious Katana ;-)
對縱使輸了，但仍感到滿足這個情況一點也不反感。
This IS THE COOLEST thing ive ever seen
"To the beginner, there are many possibilities, while to the master, there are but a few"
Beautiful way of sword...
so good
Technically it is not possible to practice both at the same time.Kenjutsu is about real combat with the sword and Iaijutsu is about DRAWING the sword in combat situations.
In REALITY Iaijutsu/do is about the immeddiate quick draw and a LIMITED series of techniques(parries,attacks,and cuts/slashes) followed by noto(resheathing the sword).
There is a small amount of cross over but Kenjutsu is about SUSTAINED exchange of techniques.
Superlöjligt.
This sceane is amazing!
where can i watch full movie online?
Would love to see live.
What is the name of the activity they are doing ): please somebody
Kendo
I was wondering why the chick is so tall till she screamed
hahahaha
Tolkeins Elves.
Because he is a boy
@@nikoletttorjay5756 thank you captain obvious
Was that Tadanobu Asano in the last match? Must've been playing one of the veteran members of Shinsengumi, Saito perhaps or Hijikata. He pretty much cheated to get a win, that sacrificial simultaneous strike he did in the end which resulted in him taking a slash to the abdomen while cutting his opponents hands off a few seconds later would only work if he was wearing armor. Only a wily veteran would've thought to do that.
He didn't get the win, he lost the match. The first to cut is the winner. Okita Souji (the finest swordsman in the Shinsengumi) is testing recruits one by one. The fact that he had to drop his sword after being struck across the forearms does not mean he lost. It's also a testament to how good he is as a swordsman that all his opponents wore armor (for their protection) whereas he wore none. He's essentially toying with all of them and none of the matches were particularly close. Okita's famous "triple thrust" technique is also on display at 1:25. And yes, it's Tadanobu Asano as a new recruit. What we're supposed to take away from his match here is that while he's not nearly on Okita's level, he (and Sozaburo before him) are able to at least compete with him in different ways: Sozaburo with technical skill and Tashiro (Asano's character) with physical strength and aggression. They are "good" swordsmen. Hijikata is sitting with Kondo watching the match, evaluating the new recruits (the purpose of these matches).
Cute Samurais ♡
One got the other's wrists right after the other had already hit him in the belly. I wonder if the body armor gave him the advantage, which is why the other had to drop his katana. I don't know much about kendo other than that each body part has a score, the forehead being the highest and the wrists also being very high. But I like to watch hard-fought kendo, and this is a great scene.
In the case of what you saw, it wasn't like your typical kendo match, but rather something akin to open sword sparring with considerations to realistic battlefield conditions. This is why one of them isn't wearing a 'dou' protector (the 'armour' over the waist). Anyways, considering a real 'samurai' sword fight, the wrists is a much more valuable target when compared to the waist as disabling the wrists (particularly the dominant sword hand) in a fight would mean putting an end the opponent's ability to fight. Slashing the waist, on the other hand, may become a nuisance to the individual, but technically speaking, they could still carry on the fight like what you saw. In kenjutsu (art of traditional sword-fighting) and kendo (the modernised successor to kenjutsu) it is ideal to aim for moves that would end the fight in as little time as possible as prolonged fights would lead to the increased likelihood of mistakes and physical weakness. From a realistic samurai battle perspective, it could even mean an increased likelihood of death. For this reason, the head and wrist are considered ideal/higher-scoring targets in kendo. The waist while important is generally considered as an option only when it is either a more efficient target (easiest to hit at the time) or you cannot aim for head/wrists.
Those bokken hurt!
i dont think ive seen a throw before in kendo...or is this kenjutsu??its beautifully done at .20
See this: ua-cam.com/video/IhWvRnKhDTg/v-deo.html
@@airon3348 many thanks for the link that's a superb demonstration of armlocks etc
@@TylerDurden-oy2hm You're welcome! This was the old version of kendo, it was named "gekkiken"
and it was the combative form of kenjutsu schools to prepare for duels (in fact, in some styles it is still used, apart from kata). Cheers!
@@TylerDurden-oy2hm初見です。
質問の解答です。
剣道では有りません。
次に大体の古流武術の場合は武芸十八般と言い、剣術の他に居合、棒術、手裏剣術、殺活術、柔術、馬術、実手術等全て学びます。
そして、剣術、撃剣（昔の防具を付けた竹刀稽古）、剣道と発展して行きます。
そしてこの映像は撃剣と言います。
撃剣の場合は剣道違い足技有り、組み討ち有り、投げ技有りです。
そして撃剣は剣術と剣道の中間的な感じです。
詳しくは天然理心流撃剣と検索するとUA-cam動画で視る事が出来ます。
参考までに
nice to see the Star Wars Kid finding work as a sword fight choreographer
Sorry-misspelled "help"
There is only the blade, all else is invisible
Nice
0:18 reminds me of Aikido
me too:)
That technique could be a mix between Jujutsu and Kenjutsu. Basically a "violent Aikido".
That technique would be kote gaeshi in Aikido.
derived from the same principle maybe
It would make sense since aikido and kendo form part of budo with each contributing a part to a complete system
Well yes, it is common to put the hand on the back of the Katana to be more precise in thrusting or to have more leverage in some situations.
However, because they do not grip the sword around the blade but only at the back or sides (one could do it despite the sharpness) I feel it is a little less versatile because you can mainly ''push'' on the outside direction and not pull e.g. to make a lock or to have leverage on your opponent.
a real aficionado for a change-something rather rare on this forum
Every time I see a great swordsman from this time frame I think it must be the great Miyamoto Musashi The Man with No Equal.
Yes, he looked like he never had fought before, yet every move was planned with upmost skill.
excelent movie!...
très belle démonstration de boken.
where did he go wrong in the lsat fight?
YESSSS
My favorite on screen swords men are zato ichi and ogami ito
@666asiamalaysia999 Yes. i know what kendo means "way of the sword" but i didnt know what kenjutsu mean but i know they prinsipe of it (training) idk but i think kenjutsu reminds me little of Iaido
wooow very good
the voice over is Kitano Beat Takeshi
The English name is Taboo.
いい～🍀ですね☀️😃❗
かっこいいですよね😉
@@岩崎雄輝-b6f初見です。
京・大阪の近在の道場と言う言葉はどのような意味なのでしょうか?
時代劇で良く京・大阪と言う言葉出て来ますが京都や大阪方面と言う言葉なのでしょうか?
É vindo?
just a small thing i guess you noticed how he did a kind of rudimentary 'half sword ing' motion at 1:50
I do not agree, no Kenutsu technique I know do use the tsuba as active defense, which might be the reason why they often train without it. It is kind of a supervision that you use the techniques correctly, i.e. without being confident that the Tsuba will protect your hands. I can only guess but I'd say if your hands are beaten up means you're not deflecting the other sword with your sword correctly. Try to push the incoming blade aside with the entire sword not just the tip.
from what i understand, back in japan a man having sex with men was considered as a different kind of sexual act and not a sexual orientation. I still cant believe uesugi kenshin had sexual relations with his vassal naoe kanetsugu
Actually he is not, and if you had watched the movie you knew: *he* killed everyone of those who *got killed*. He only tried to let everyone believe that they killed each other.
Wood forgives. Steel unforgiven.
Edit: Meaning the mistakes one makes in defending wood forgives these mistakes, in contrast to steel a mistake leads to injury or fatality.
Then again, Mushashi won many duels including his most famous using bokken.
@@screenpuller Interesting. Good thing was Bokken imagine the injuries done by steel.
@@Katharsis540 Yeah,almost all of his duels ended with him killing the other guy... even with a bokken. I get where you're coming from though.
0:09 fully open rear
That is why no one use that stand in real sparring or fight.
This is funny on so many levels
ohohohoho Shoji Okita, famous Shinsengumi swordsmen
Excelentes, belíssima demonstraçao de Kendo.
これは剣道じゃない。