Man, that hit at 0:50 is just a masterpiece. The way he pushes the opponent's sword out of the way and then uses the same momentum to swing from the other side is magnificent to look at.
To those who commented that the winner would also be injured/killed in a real sword fight: 1. Kendo is a sport. Based on real sword fights, but still a sport. You have to simplify and apply artificial rules to make a sport work. Shooting is a sport, and you don't see the audience complain that your enemy/game doesn't stay still like a shooting target in real life. 2. Defensive and evasive techniques are very important parts in Kendo. They might not be exactly the same like what happens in real sword fights, they are almost as close as it gets. 3. One of important reasons it's almost impossible to simulate a real sword fight with Kendo, is that if a valid Kendo strike happens in a real fight, it would inevitably break or at least interfere with your opponent's momentum. If you want to deliver a valid strike and stay uninjured, you need to anticipate how your strike could break/change your enemy's attack and then evade accordingly. That's almost impossible to simulate in a sport as nobody gets truly injured (hopefully) in a game. 4. If any of you fuckers gets into a real sword fight with a Kendo master, my money is not on you.
Very well written.I practice shastravidya,an ancient Indian swordsmanship art.My teacher tells me that sparring with sticks doesn't amount to real sword fight with sharp blades but sparring builds your reflexes and teaches you how to perform under pressure.But yes,when it comes to sharp blades people don't jump in with committed blows. You need to angle away from the edge of the weapon,get inside the opponents weapon range and then kill him.If he's wearing armour,then remove the armour and take him out.
I like your comment but Kendo is not a sport. I practice Kendo in Japan, and one of the common things I hear at the post practice drinking parties is "Kendo is not a sport, that's why....." I'm not saying its war training, but marital art (budo) not a sport.
+bambooswordsman1 Well martial arts literally translate as "arts of war" and my teacher teaches us not just fighting man to man but also fighting in battle formations.I dont know much about kendo but from what I have seen,it seems like the focus is on duelling rather than fighting in groups like an army.One reason could be that samurais of old always preferred small unit skirmishing.
When I said martial arts, I was refering to the Japanese word, budo, which can translate in several ways, but I think way refers to a way of training the mind rather than just learning to fight. Not a sport, but as you said, not for war. I'm not sure where the term martial art comes from but I've learned translation never work very well. As for the other part of your comment, none of my teachers in the US or Japan have actually mentioned dueling, but I have gotten that sense myself. Using preferred Kendo methods would make even small group tactics impossible. It does seem to be meant for one on one.
+Thanh Nguyen The judges get it wrong all the time. Besides, unlike in fencing, they judge it on who has the best form, not who hits first by a fraction of a second.
I'm Japanese.And I used to practice kendo.Kendo is not learning how to kill but learning what Bushidou is.So it's not important which one is more fast.A samurai in the Edo Era was taught right attitude and manners by practicing kendo.The purpose of kendo is fostering samurai's humanity.Sorry for my poor English.
When I see many comments mention that "if this is the real fighting...", I'm exhausted and realized some people are still confusing what Ken-do is made for. Ken(sword) Do(path) is the practice of concentration through the invisible communication using by swords, and it helps for your mental self-growth. Not the practice to prepare for the real fight, entirely NOT. Same as Fencing, it keeps its fairness with point match. Sorry if you were looking for the Oriental one like Kurosawa movies, you need to understand this is the "Real". But if you challenge Kendo or other Japanese martial art, you'll see its fun, i swear.
+she oaken But isnt it how would be a fight using real Katanas? If not, how a Katana fight is? I mean, how the moves will be like? The attacks, the parries.. I thought it was like in this video.
My boys have been practicing the way of the sword for over 18 years now. My youngest has been in training for 4 years. 6 times a week for 4 hours everyday after school. Their hands, feet are always covered in blisters but they won’t slow down. My 8 year old reaction time is so quick that he will f up an adult in less than 1 second. Seriously I would not want to cross either one of them. I wish it would be more popular outside of Japan. We had to send our oldest to Japan so he could improve his technique and spiritual skills. There simply aren’t enough teachers especially good ones anywhere outside the borders of Japan. It’s not a very well known path ( definitely don’t call it a sport). People have no idea about the rules and the extraordinary hard work that goes into just placing and picking up your sword properly. For years you try to inflict the most amount of pressure on your opponent just to realize that it’s the most undignified way to practice Kendo. The one with the most patience and least aggressiveness are the real masters of Kendo.
For people who aren't Kendoka and are questioning about why some hits are being counted and some aren't, and the whole "this would never work in a real sword fight because both people would be dead from many many hits I offer this comment that will probably better explain whats happening. Every time the practitioners go back to center with the tips of the swords crossing it's like the fight restarted. From here, the object is to strike either the head,torso, wrists or throat with a unification correct posture,good cutting technique, correct footwork and alertness after the attack in case of counter. The judges will only count the best strikes, and of course even though weaker strikes might kill the other person like I said it's treated like every time the practitioners go back to center the fight basicly restarts and it goes on a best of 3pts system. In this way competition is SUPPOSED to be used be used as a polishing of technique under pressure(Some people are overly competitive and lose this though with blocking and overemphasis on winning ) instead of who hits first like in fencing. In higher ranking 8th dan competitions, the match is closer to a real sword fight as both practitioners will most likely be able to get a point when they strike so they spend most of the time trying to obtain an opening before ever actually striking in order to obtain a strike that can't be countered by their opponent and will be sure to win.But still goes by 3pt match usually and the whole restart thing is still present if they don't get a pt. There is a lot less blocking(common now) and random strikes as you see here.
"and alertness after the attack in case of counter" which is not displayed in this video. None of these fighters display "alertness after the attack" (aka "zanshin"). Notice how the flags go up before they even have a chance to display zanshin? Instead, the fighters show "hikiage" (showboating) which is technically incorrect, but nobody cares.
Really cool video. The High Speed shots are great when it comes to seeing the precise moment when the hit was made. In real time, if offten looks like "mumbo-jumbo-ponit!-what the hell just happened?"
When studying Kendo, you're supposed to treat each strike as a killing blow. You don't tap on the head, you aim to cut through to about eye level. You're right about simultaneous hits though.
final part. Kata and choreographed fighting are required as the techniques found in kenjutsu require muscle memory first in which to use them. So the way to learn these techniques is through choreographed fighting or Kata, after the muscle memory is built you will have control of the raw technique or the Waza at that point you only need to be instructed in how to regonize the waza within the kata, and then how to apply them. Kendo only uses waza, so they have no technique itself.
I've done fencing for years (mainly sabre and epee) and I have done kendo for about 3 years now and I completely agree with ya on that. That actually is exactly how I thought when I first started fencing where we both hit just one hit quicker. However I thought long and hard about how sword sports could have the realism of a real duel, and I don't think it is possible. People know they don't risk dying and so they go for the fastest hit. So sadly, sword sports will always be Sports.
Slow motion is great, you get all the details you couldn't see otherwise. And I'm actually quite shocked and awed. For I have learned that that's fast enough to fool my eyes. Of all the times I had to guess on who hit first, I could only get 1 right
yeah well.. if you see the time it takes them to hit the opponent and the time difference between the hits then it's obvious why it is so hard to tell.. damn those guys are lightning fast..
As a HEMAist I never have any idea what's going on but always thoroughly enjoy it anyway. Also everyone else here calling their sport the one true sword fighting can we just get along? Every single one takes skill, respect that.
Really is a beautiful thing to watch. I would dearly love to learn this but alas, the nearest school is about 2 hours away. Because even though I live 30 minutes from the capital city in my state, and it is listed as a major growth corridor there is next to 0 fraking martial arts schools in my area. I slays me when I think about it.
Kendo teaches us not to fear (or at least tries). These kenshi are fighting without fear - their goal is to commit to the attack. When Takanabe falters in his attack - i.e. he tries to defend Teramoto's men strike - he loses the point. Their technique is beautiful to watch - and the amount of processing that happens at that speed is simply impressive. In "real life" perhaps both men would be dead - but that means one less opponent on the battlefield, and they've served their purpose.
When I first started Kendo, I used to think that it was too fast to tell the difference, but as I got used to it, I started to feel rather than see who won. Those with kendo experience usually also serve as referees during practice matches, so they can develop their eyes
Lol same. Man, just hearing those shinai clash reminds me of practicing with my sensei. Been hit with those without protective gear, it hurt like a bitch.
Indeed, he also used his two sword style (Forced too i should say) when he was attacked as a young teenager by around 7 bandits. It is written by a local witness that after he slain two with his single sword, he drew the second and used it sort of as a shield as the account writes, then striking hard with his katana held in his right hand. the yoshika battle came after to which indeed true to form when fighting multiple enemies (around 25 this time) he used two swords again. amazing man.
I used to fence many years ago (epee) and I remember fencing a Swedish junior champion. Every so often we'd stand and just size each other up, waiting for one of us to do something. This bastard (and I'm just saying it with all the respect 'cause he was a great dude and he used to beat my ass all the time) would just wait for me to blink and when I did, it was all over. By the time I opened my eyes, he had pretty much closed the distance and it was all over with. Depressing but very cool to fence against people like that. Probably the dude I enjoying fencing against the most :) I MISS the old days :) Now, I'm not trying to take anything away from the Kendo guys. Just thought I'd throw that in there...
bambooswordsman1 I don't know about Kendo but Fencing is not a big spectator sport, probably due to the speed. Hell, it's hard enough to know what's going on when you're in the room, on tv...hell no. :(
TotalDesignZ I don't know where you're getting your info from, but Fencing in an Olympic sport. It has a ruddy huge following, from the far corners of the world.
rpsteele12 You answered the wrong person but I still want to comment. It's not a big spectator sport due to the fact that it's hard to see what's going on. It's simply too fast and yes, I know it's big if you're a fencer but most people have never watched it.
Martial Arts-various SPORTS or skills, mainly of Japanese origin, that originated as forms of self-defense or attack, such as judo, karate, and kendo. (Oxford Dictionaries).
In kendo, you have to feel component's blade's Ki by touching it with your Juk-do Also there is a skill that reflects component's blade in order for a clean hit.
This literally pushes the limits of human ability. Many commenters don't understand how difficult this is - it's in par with what Usain Bolt may have achieved by shaving milliseconds off his time.
Hello, I'd like to ask people who do Kendo, Japapenese if possible. What do you achieve in real life when you do Kendo? It probably helps you stay fit like any other sports but other than that ? For example I do boxing because I like to hit and being hit, it reminds me that I'm not made of glass, also it improves my eye-hand coordination and reflexes. I'm seriously asking this because it looks like a cool sport that I would like to try but its gears and classes are expensive so I'd like to hear some opinions. I also wonder if age matters
+Donny Darko Well,i am not japanese, but i have started kendo recently. First, it keeps you fit, yes, and it also increases your stamina a lot. But i have noticed, that you require a gread deal of concentration. Our sensei says that kendo is the best sport apart from chess to increase your intelligence. And since i am doing kendo, i have improved my grades in math, so i think you can achieve things in life with it. Also, age doesn't really matter, we have someone who is around his sixties, and he beats me every single time, eventhough i am a lot younger.
Thank you very much my friend. Since age doesn't matter then I will continue with boxing as long as I can. When my body cannot take boxing anymore I might shift to Kendo :)
+Donny Darko I'm not Japanese aswell but i've been practicing Kendo quiet Long now and of course like every other Sport it keeps you Fit but it mainly trains your Mind you will get a better person and you will notice what it means to show respect of course Kendo is very very Hard. My sensei said that nobody on the World is good at Kendo nobody that is alive. So you will Fail very often you will be down very often but you will learn to get up every single time showing resepct every single time and Fighting yourself every single time. I hope that kinda helped you and also it is my Opinion about kendo not every one Shares this Opinon alot of people just train kendo because of the ''Fighting'' Part or mainly because of the Shiai but however as a boxer you will have some problems with your Footwork. But yeah Kendo is the best Martial Art for me and it helped me very much in my Daily Live and it made me a better person and i highly recommend it to every one as i said it's my Personal opinion and not every one shares the same :) hoope i could help you
as a kenjutsu practioner ill assure you the victor of a sword fight in history would not wounded or life-long injured. The reason is the video above is not actual ancient sword technique of history its sport, and it follows sporting based rules while kenjutsu or literally ken= sword, jutsu=technique has no rules other than killing your oppenet while you yourself survive at all costs. think of it like this you would never use kiai like kendoka do becuase its useless and in a real right itll telegraph your entire technique to a seasoned swordsman who wont use his kiai yelling until hes firmly commited his sword into you. kendo practioners do things that would have their wrists, forearms, and of course shoulders cut wide during a real fight such as resting the shinai on them because during a bind the judges dont regonize the little resting on the arms and wrists as bad technique while the two go at it, while in kenjutsu the second you get into a bind you get away via kicking or pushing the enemy off you never let his "ha" edge rest upon your arm during a bind even in armor
***** Isn't that exactly what I meant? I in no way implied that kendo IS how sword combat is in real life. But the brutality and the ease of striking a lethal blow gives you an inkling of how quickly sword fights actually end in real life (for unarmored combatants anyway). No fancy 5-minute wuxia fight scene, but over in a blink of an eye. And you'll likely get yourself killed as well.
Angreh Kittunz apologizes, your post seemed from that of one who thinks kendo was legit i misread your post and for that i apologize. but in history we have plently of warriors whom survived many duels some survived entire wars it was a matter of technique vs technique he whom was better trained will live uninjured to fight another day. a kenjutsu duel typically lasts 4-5 different movements depending on the practioner after that period has passed he whom had better form will have won uninjured as no swordsman will allow himself to be injured to gain victory.
war was fair then you couldn't just nuke a whole city or country,you could block most things if you had talent,and fighting was an art not just pulling a trigger
@@masterdude134 Which ryu are you from may I ask? My sensei always said that there's 3 outcomes to a duel. One, you are better than your opponent so you kill him. Two, your opponent is better than you so he kills you. Three, you are both equal in skill and you kill each other. So what that means is that you have a one in three chance of getting out alive in a fight meaning the odds are immediately against you.
@mikeymarshful Modern armor itself is lighter, but soldiers don't just carry their armor anymore. A modern battle rifle weighs more than a great-sword (large swords weigh 8-10 lbs, an unloaded AK-47 is roughly 9.5 lbs), plus all the ammo they carry for it (15 mags or more), plus their sidearm and its ammo, hand grenades, and other equipment needed to fulfill their combat role. All a medieval knight had was his armor, dagger, and sword/shield/polearm.
Physical momentum would carry the sword along the same path it takes 80milliseconds for the impulse from the brain to reach the wrist, then we factor in the fact that there is a delay between brain getting hit and the loss of signal, which for easy numbers we'll say 10ms (not even close to actual value, but easy to use for the concept), so 0.009s = 9ms so the 2nd guy hit the first 81ms "BEFORE" his body even realised he's dead, and even if it was instant newtons 2nd law still applies
Takanabe,Teramoto are famous kendo player policemen. Japanese police have kendo player policemen. They are usually work with others.But,they are training kendo eveyday.
Why doesn't Kendo attack the legs? Many commenters have stated this question as if the fact that Kendo does not attack the legs means that is is only a sport and not a martial art. In real martial systems no parts of the body would be off limits. The fact is that most sword fighting systems around the world do not attack the legs. A good explanation of why this is in in the video Sword & Shield Fighting with Roland Warzecha at min 27.40. Mr. Warzecha practices a HEMA style but the principles stated about reach are universal.
bambooswordsman1 Why is there a "real martial art" in the first place? Martial arts can range from simple exercises to improve strength and endurance to military training to quasi-entertainment (like war dances). All of which are tools used to prepare people (not necessarily warriors) for combat. Too many people watch wuxia movies and think "martial arts" refers to _actual_ combat. It does not. The goal is preparation, not maiming your own troops.
bambooswordsman1 First of all, things like straight up boxing don't attack the legs, but would you call it any less fighting than other martial arts? Second of all if you pay attention how quick these people are, that they only really need a couple of inches to go for your head. If you decide to go for the legs in a sword fight, chances are your head is going off really fast.
sslivkov Please read the whole comment and watch the video recommended in the comment. I am a Kendo practitioner and this comment is a defense of the fact that Kendo does not attack the legs.
There is an inherent diference in the way iado and kendo are practiced. Not to mention sport fighting versus a real life or death are two very different things.
I think if you're used to hollywood where actors use a lot of excessive movements for flourish it might look like that, but the high speed camera really reveals that they are moving really precisely with the smallest possible motion. It's juts going so fast we can barely pick it up. In pretty much every round, if the men were using real swords I think it would be safe to say that both of them would be dead.
There's a problem with ALL of these tournaments, whether kendo, foil, epee or any other sword type. The participants simply don't have enough fear of being hit. What matters in these matches is to hit the other guy an instant or more before he hits you - but that's not realistic. You don't want to get hit AT ALL, not even a glancing blow or a cut on an arm, hand or leg. Maybe a tournament would be more 'realistic' if hits were only counted if the hit was unchallengeable (the other man's hit is rendered moot because he would have already lost the ability to perform the hit) or if one man made a clean hit on another without getting touched by the other after the hit. You could limit the length of the match by awarding the win to the man who got the first clean or unchallengeable hit - a one point match.
Wait - please, I don't mean they should actually start swinging real swords at each other. :-) What I'm saying is that there should be an effort to move away from the "all I need to do is touch him before he touches me" mindset and make the requirements for scoring a point significantly more rigorous.
I can only speak to Kendo. In Kendo, we are taught specifically to not care if we are hit. You see your moment and attack with no regard for your own life. This attitude is taught in all Japanese sword arts. In view of the Samurai ideal of "if you wish to survive, you should not go to war at all," I do not believe your comment is valid.
For the answer to your question, I have in the past. I stopped going after a year because I felt I wasn't learning anything beyond how to tourney spar. The most I got out of it was physical fitness. It's fine to use overwhelming attack as a strategy in kendo tournaments, as kendo doesn't really train you to do much more than that.
As -th fgh- user kindly mentioned, 刀 states for "sword" and pronounced as "to" in 二刀流 - NiToRyu. I'm sure that you know that Japanese sword in general is called "NihonTo" - 日本刀.
Thanh Nguyen yea, not just samurai but any other duels. even if the superior swordsman only got cut but not seriously wounded he might still die because of bacterial infection of wounds. real battles are nasty. those period war movies of heroes surviving multiple wounds are bullshit like how modern movies are bullshit showing heroes dodging bullets
I had the same question when I first started Kendo. I've never used a real sword on someone wearing a good helmet so I tell you what I have been told. Even with a good helmet, a two handed blow will deliver a enough blunt trauma to kill or at least knock out one's opponent. This is why we use bamboo swords (shinai) which are designed to absorb force rather than wooden swords (bokuto). This argument become more convincing to me after I felt how hard my Kendo teachers hit me. This is also related to why just touching someone with the sword is not a point in Kendo. Only blows considered strong enough to kill are points in Kendo.
I have to remind you that kendo simply evolved as an actual duel-based martial by the samurai as a means to avoid actual injury or death using real sword or bokken. it modified some technics since the modern kendo of today does not require technics used before.
: Right, but what happens when the hits are throw at the same time, or close enough to the same time that both hits will strike, even if you technically hit first. The shenai are also less than half the weight of the sword they represent, which would prove a difficulty when they pick up an actual weapon if they don't have the training for that.
It's a sport. These rules are meant to keep the competitors from being hurt. In Martial Arts schools, they train you how to be deadly effective but only limit those for matches and sparring. Don't want teens or young adults killing each other. Also, the spirit of martial arts (At least Chinese Martial Arts) is to only fight in defense, never be aggressive. Always avoid killing or severe injuries and never go further than necessary to protect yourself.
I'm sorry but you are wrong. Nitouryu literally means two sword school. 二刀流. Look up the characters individually if you like. I don't know about Musashi, but in Japan and in Kendo, the term is used to refer to the using of two swords at once.
So what's funny is it's not just who hits first like you would think. You actually have to scream, stomp your foot, and strike with "emotion" all at the same time. I've asked many Japanese to explain how to score in kendo and none can easily, they just say its the "emotion". And where I live everyone does kendo lol
I don't understand the concept of this... even tho one gets a hit in first, the other one is already swinging and hits right after. my point being if these were real sword they would both die..one doesn't simply fall and die as soon as he gets struck... plz enlighten me some1 to the concept of this?
Kendo is a sport, these light bamboo swords are not representative for how fast a samurai would have been able to strike. Those strikes are for points. In many strikes you can see they strike the hand or wrist, in real life this would often cut off the hand and render the opponents swing nullified.
The correct answer to your question is that the old Samurai philosophies teach that you must be willing to die to win. If you are willing to put your life on the line and commit to you attack, you will beat an opponent who will only strike when he is sure he will survive. If this had been a real sword fight, both men would have died. But that isn't really a problem. Please excuse the curtness of my reply, your question is a perfectly fair one. I just get tired of people who have never practiced Kendo, or any sword marital art claiming Kendo is a sport because it doesn't match their Anime based expectations. Kendo is a martial art, ask anyone who practices it. You say those strikes are for points. Yes, but every point in Kendo would be a lethal blow.
bambooswordsman1 ty that was a very well explained answer, and makes perfect sense. I just didn't understand the concept, since most studies I have done are regarding Britain medieval, who as you perfectly pointed will not strike/ expose himself even if he can get the kill if it means him dying in the process. that it why I did not understand. anyways TY for this information.
A forearm cut would cut off your hand. So i assume that whatever hand was holding the sword would now be on the ground. Thus eliminating any possibility that the sword will touch you. I assume.
Kim Wu If you're referring to the top comment in the series, I am not sure which wrist hit he is referring to, but if a wrist (kote) hit is taken, that person get the point and the opponent, even if the hits the head (men), would not get a point. this a happens all the time in Kendo so I don't think it proves what he thinks it does.
I attended a dojo and remember well the distaste my senseis showed when someone got worried about being hit. This "dodge first and attack if possible" makes your attacks horribly flawed. The rigorosity of a right attack is why i love kendo so much more than fencing. It isnt enough to touch someone. You have to move your body right, canalize physical energy(kiai) and handle the sword firmly, so that with a real sword you could sustain the attack until you could cut through armor and the very bone
I'm actually lost on what are you trying to say here.But i clearly explained that duels are not limited to just 'skilled' warriors, people who are not very skilled can duel each other too.
If you want immediate satisfaction or rewards, go with Judo. In Kendo it will be a couple of months before you are allowed to wear uniform (hakama) and a few more before you are allowed armor (bogu). You will learn the four main moves in a week and spend years learning how to do them right.
What an insightful comment. Those of us who have been practicing Kendo for years never realized that when two people fight, they both might die. I'm glad you shared you and the thousand other people who had the exact same original observation chose to bless us with what I'm sure is your well researched and knowledgeable analysis.
bambooswordsman1 kendo is not a sport, it's for samurai to practice sword fighting because they are banned to use sword since tokugawa period. My sensei always taught me to have that mentality when practicing kendo
RisinSunTF2 No Kendo is not a sport. But if you really do practice Kendo, you teacher should have told you that the moment comes, you attack without regard for your own life. But none of this changes the fact that your first comment was obvious and pointless.
My sensei did taught me in really battle, you should be prepared to die at any moment or not being afraid to get hit, but it doesn't mean you should be allowing yourself to be hit like that. And the one you are talking about, sutemi, is only used by mostly beginners or in extreme situations like being surrounded in battle. For experienced trainers, I think not being hit while being able to hit your opponent is also a very important part of kendo. I know in this kind of competition, the only goal is to hit first, but is pointless in real battle.
RisinSunTF2 Kendo is actually a sport now, like european sport fencing. Kenjutsu is the martial art it is derived from and in kenjutsu you do learn to strike without getting hit as far as I know. Also it wasn't only used in battles but also as a self-defence tool and for that it doesn't really matter if you kill your attacker when you're dead yourself.
This is a sport lmao talking bout some "if this was real sword fighting". It's not. They have wooden sticks and are using equipment. That's almost like watching a hockey fight and saying "if this was a real fight..."
***** Kendo is a modern bullshit created by the japanese to signify their heritage when the real true japanese sword fighting was already dead after the Meiji Era.. btw the greatest samurai that ever lived beaten ppl using a stick than a katana either way...
knight2battle What makes you such an expert? The ancestry of Kendo goes directly back into the into the Edo period where people still fought with swords. The word Kendo is recent the but use of the bamboo training sword and the Kendo armor goes back 300 years. Just because it isn't what you saw in Anime doesn't mean its not real.
***** Why does the fact that they both die mean its not real sword fighting? The old Samurai philosophies teach that if you are going to war you should be ready to die and that the one who is more willing to throw away his life is more likely to win the fight. When they both tried to strike they didn't know for sure that their opponent would be striking at the same time.
bambooswordsman1 Its more of a standard form of sword fighting... the sword techniques used by the greatest and renown samurai's in japan skills were all lost after they died... now we just see a shadow of its former self, its a dying tradition being preserve by modern inheritors..its glory only recognized by people who only saw them wage wars on their own kin, they never stood up against any other civilization... the only time japan showed their greatness was in WW2 where the only Asian country that could stood up to the West and attacked them in their soil...
Greiner is right, i have been learning kendo for 10 months, one of the hardest things to notice in kendo is that they only hit the enemy with their sword's inertia (in other words, they stop the attack a few centimetters before it hits). No one can learn that in one month for example (not even me, i'm only half of the way). Dominating this means "control of your techniques", and you won't hurt anyone (even without armor), so keep it in mind when you decide.
@A3neas The Men (the helmet), Do (the breastplate), Kote (the gauntlets) and Tare (the armored skirting) are the basic components of the Kendo Bogu (the armor). In Kendo, it's part of your form to call your targets when you strike them, to show the judges that it wasn't just a fluke that you hit what you hit.
Yes, 2nd law would apply, but the sword no longer has the force of the swordsman's arm behind it, therefore the only force is the weight of the sword. Unless the sword's very heavy or if the sword's path of motion continues, it would be difficult to kill the other person.
I think that person's commenting on the ongoing 'sportification' of Kendo. For example, there are some folks who think that it should be included in the Olympics (although Kumdo seems to be pursuing that much more intently because the organizing bodies have said that they're willing to using electronic scoring systems)
Bernardus Valentino not necesarily. though the style was based on musashi's niten, it was reported that this particular player's style was self-taught.
I really don't know what you're trying to say. This is a sport, it's meant to be safer and not for self defense. They train in this to win competitions which for some people can have a career out of it.
Man, that hit at 0:50 is just a masterpiece. The way he pushes the opponent's sword out of the way and then uses the same momentum to swing from the other side is magnificent to look at.
Its a pretty well known move in sword dueling actually. At least i see it quite often. But still, it owes me everytime never the less.
I've seen this in a lot of HEMA matches, it just looks awesome how you convert a parry into an attack
*COUNTER!*
It's dope like if that was a real katana his head would be sliced in 2
It’s called parrying and hitting back lmao
To those who commented that the winner would also be injured/killed in a real sword fight:
1. Kendo is a sport. Based on real sword fights, but still a sport. You have to simplify and apply artificial rules to make a sport work. Shooting is a sport, and you don't see the audience complain that your enemy/game doesn't stay still like a shooting target in real life.
2. Defensive and evasive techniques are very important parts in Kendo. They might not be exactly the same like what happens in real sword fights, they are almost as close as it gets.
3. One of important reasons it's almost impossible to simulate a real sword fight with Kendo, is that if a valid Kendo strike happens in a real fight, it would inevitably break or at least interfere with your opponent's momentum. If you want to deliver a valid strike and stay uninjured, you need to anticipate how your strike could break/change your enemy's attack and then evade accordingly. That's almost impossible to simulate in a sport as nobody gets truly injured (hopefully) in a game.
4. If any of you fuckers gets into a real sword fight with a Kendo master, my money is not on you.
Very well written.I practice shastravidya,an ancient Indian swordsmanship art.My teacher tells me that sparring with sticks doesn't amount to real sword fight with sharp blades but sparring builds your reflexes and teaches you how to perform under pressure.But yes,when it comes to sharp blades people don't jump in with committed blows. You need to angle away from the edge of the weapon,get inside the opponents weapon range and then kill him.If he's wearing armour,then remove the armour and take him out.
I like your comment but Kendo is not a sport. I practice Kendo in Japan, and one of the common things I hear at the post practice drinking parties is "Kendo is not a sport, that's why....." I'm not saying its war training, but marital art (budo) not a sport.
+bambooswordsman1 Well martial arts literally translate as "arts of war" and my teacher teaches us not just fighting man to man but also fighting in battle formations.I dont know much about kendo but from what I have seen,it seems like the focus is on duelling rather than fighting in groups like an army.One reason could be that samurais of old always preferred small unit skirmishing.
When I said martial arts, I was refering to the Japanese word, budo, which can translate in several ways, but I think way refers to a way of training the mind rather than just learning to fight. Not a sport, but as you said, not for war. I'm not sure where the term martial art comes from but I've learned translation never work very well.
As for the other part of your comment, none of my teachers in the US or Japan have actually mentioned dueling, but I have gotten that sense myself. Using preferred Kendo methods would make even small group tactics impossible. It does seem to be meant for one on one.
in HEMA we do count it when both men die.
No one is faster than the guy with the flags.
HAHAHA THAT EYE
No doubt about it
The 2 kendo fighter is too slow for him
@@whitecunt6903 lol he's clearly on another level
How did he see that 😳😳😳😳😳
Crowd: *Claps*
Me: 🤔
*Slow motion plays*
Me: 😲 👏👏
same here, man!
Yah. Me too.
me tree
Me four
Me fine :)))
THose referee's eyes are made with 16x camera or what??? How could they saw the red guy hit it first. Damn!!!
+Thanh Nguyen i think they judged it not by eyes but by hit sounds and the vibration of the air .
risktakerdaito Lol. Master skill!
KIX spotter Sorry, I didnt know that...
+Thanh Nguyen The judges get it wrong all the time. Besides, unlike in fencing, they judge it on who has the best form, not who hits first by a fraction of a second.
cygil1 Thanks. That makes sense.
10 years after that it got confirmed that Sony used the eyes from the refree to make slow-motion cameras.
I'm Japanese.And I used to practice kendo.Kendo is not learning how to kill but learning what Bushidou is.So it's not important which one is more fast.A samurai in the Edo Era was taught right attitude and manners by practicing kendo.The purpose of kendo is fostering samurai's humanity.Sorry for my poor English.
i know it's been years but your English is fine. People who are born and raised here don't have as good grammar as you. XD
I'm Simon もうちょい短くまとめて
it's late but what you called samurai humanity is bullshit when at that time period, the samurai betray, kill each other. humanity my ass..
Your English is far better than any of our Japanese. And your comment was very informative. Thank you.
@@xSy7 are you really lecturing a japanese about his own culture?
Makes you wonder how crazy fast Musashi must have been to have won all of those duels with real weapons.
Cagedand Enraged is that fictional character?
idunusegoogleplus
Musashi was a Japanese duelist from way back
he was probably a phony and exaggerated everything.
Yeah, Musashi was the greatest sword fighter Of Japan!
Thing is... not only him, entire Japan exaggerated everything if you put it that way
When I see many comments mention that "if this is the real fighting...", I'm exhausted and realized some people are still confusing what Ken-do is made for. Ken(sword) Do(path) is the practice of concentration through the invisible communication using by swords, and it helps for your mental self-growth. Not the practice to prepare for the real fight, entirely NOT. Same as Fencing, it keeps its fairness with point match. Sorry if you were looking for the Oriental one like Kurosawa movies, you need to understand this is the "Real". But if you challenge Kendo or other Japanese martial art, you'll see its fun, i swear.
+she oaken But isnt it how would be a fight using real Katanas? If not, how a Katana fight is? I mean, how the moves will be like? The attacks, the parries.. I thought it was like in this video.
+Clever Azevedro Cruz Junior You are confusing Kendo with Kenjutsu there
Gungrave123 Hmm, Kendo is that above, and Kenjutsu is..?
+Clever Azevedro Cruz Junior is samurai :)
she oaken aak
If you've practised kendo in your life, you know the beauty of this video.
My boys have been practicing the way of the sword for over 18 years now. My youngest has been in training for 4 years. 6 times a week for 4 hours everyday after school. Their hands, feet are always covered in blisters but they won’t slow down. My 8 year old reaction time is so quick that he will f up an adult in less than 1 second. Seriously I would not want to cross either one of them. I wish it would be more popular outside of Japan. We had to send our oldest to Japan so he could improve his technique and spiritual skills. There simply aren’t enough teachers especially good ones anywhere outside the borders of Japan. It’s not a very well known path ( definitely don’t call it a sport). People have no idea about the rules and the extraordinary hard work that goes into just placing and picking up your sword properly. For years you try to inflict the most amount of pressure on your opponent just to realize that it’s the most undignified way to practice Kendo. The one with the most patience and least aggressiveness are the real masters of Kendo.
Looking at this, the ease at which Palpatine killed those 3 jedis sounds much more legit...
Well, to be fair. He *was* the Senate.
To be fair, they had chosen.... *death*
It was treason, then.
For people who aren't Kendoka and are questioning about why some hits are being counted and some aren't, and the whole "this would never work in a real sword fight because both people would be dead from many many hits I offer this comment that will probably better explain whats happening.
Every time the practitioners go back to center with the tips of the swords crossing it's like the fight restarted. From here, the object is to strike either the head,torso, wrists or throat with a unification correct posture,good cutting technique, correct footwork and alertness after the attack in case of counter. The judges will only count the best strikes, and of course even though weaker strikes might kill the other person like I said it's treated like every time the practitioners go back to center the fight basicly restarts and it goes on a best of 3pts system. In this way competition is SUPPOSED to be used be used as a polishing of technique under pressure(Some people are overly competitive and lose this though with blocking and overemphasis on winning ) instead of who hits first like in fencing.
In higher ranking 8th dan competitions, the match is closer to a real sword fight as both practitioners will most likely be able to get a point when they strike so they spend most of the time trying to obtain an opening before ever actually striking in order to obtain a strike that can't be countered by their opponent and will be sure to win.But still goes by 3pt match usually and the whole restart thing is still present if they don't get a pt. There is a lot less blocking(common now) and random strikes as you see here.
Ryu
"and alertness after the attack in case of counter" which is not displayed in this video. None of these fighters display "alertness after the attack" (aka "zanshin"). Notice how the flags go up before they even have a chance to display zanshin? Instead, the fighters show "hikiage" (showboating) which is technically incorrect, but nobody cares.
Really cool video. The High Speed shots are great when it comes to seeing the precise moment when the hit was made. In real time, if offten looks like "mumbo-jumbo-ponit!-what the hell just happened?"
This is how side charecters anime feels like you can't see the movements of the Mc because its too fast
When studying Kendo, you're supposed to treat each strike as a killing blow. You don't tap on the head, you aim to cut through to about eye level. You're right about simultaneous hits though.
The announcer is so into it, you can tell he’s invested. It’s great.
What the fuck is this sport ... This is so speedy, so nervous, and so calm. This is one of the best sport i ever saw :o
+Jason Savelli Its like S3x.someones gonna get tapped weather they like it or not
It's a martial art. Japanese sword fighting.
It's called kendo
@Jason Savelli, Kendo, Japanese sport fencing.
That was a beautiful deflection and counter strike at 0:50.
It really was :)
I have to agree on that. Really shows the Swordmanship they have.
That was a parry you casul.
Whatisbow 28 its the same thing..-.-
Uchiha Madara
It's a dark souls reference you casul
final part. Kata and choreographed fighting are required as the techniques found in kenjutsu require muscle memory first in which to use them. So the way to learn these techniques is through choreographed fighting or Kata, after the muscle memory is built you will have control of the raw technique or the Waza at that point you only need to be instructed in how to regonize the waza within the kata, and then how to apply them. Kendo only uses waza, so they have no technique itself.
I've done fencing for years (mainly sabre and epee) and I have done kendo for about 3 years now and I completely agree with ya on that. That actually is exactly how I thought when I first started fencing where we both hit just one hit quicker. However I thought long and hard about how sword sports could have the realism of a real duel, and I don't think it is possible. People know they don't risk dying and so they go for the fastest hit. So sadly, sword sports will always be Sports.
これを見分ける審判達も凄い
WTF?! How did those judges unanimously get the last hit correct? They must be superhuman to discern that 0.009-second difference...
Slow motion is great, you get all the details you couldn't see otherwise.
And I'm actually quite shocked and awed. For I have learned that that's fast enough to fool my eyes.
Of all the times I had to guess on who hit first, I could only get 1 right
yeah well.. if you see the time it takes them to hit the opponent and the time difference between the hits then it's obvious why it is so hard to tell.. damn those guys are lightning fast..
Dunkelelf3
Yes indeed
You will have to see the fight with your own eyes, videos recordings are limited by frames.
kendo is simply beautiful...Japan must be happy to share all the martial arts with the rest of the world.
As a HEMAist I never have any idea what's going on but always thoroughly enjoy it anyway. Also everyone else here calling their sport the one true sword fighting can we just get along? Every single one takes skill, respect that.
Huge respect for the referees to figure this out in real-time.
Really is a beautiful thing to watch. I would dearly love to learn this but alas, the nearest school is about 2 hours away. Because even though I live 30 minutes from the capital city in my state, and it is listed as a major growth corridor there is next to 0 fraking martial arts schools in my area.
I slays me when I think about it.
Kendo teaches us not to fear (or at least tries). These kenshi are fighting without fear - their goal is to commit to the attack. When Takanabe falters in his attack - i.e. he tries to defend Teramoto's men strike - he loses the point. Their technique is beautiful to watch - and the amount of processing that happens at that speed is simply impressive. In "real life" perhaps both men would be dead - but that means one less opponent on the battlefield, and they've served their purpose.
When I first started Kendo, I used to think that it was too fast to tell the difference, but as I got used to it, I started to feel rather than see who won.
Those with kendo experience usually also serve as referees during practice matches, so they can develop their eyes
star wars brought me here
dude. same here!
Lol same. Man, just hearing those shinai clash reminds me of practicing with my sensei. Been hit with those without protective gear, it hurt like a bitch.
Bussaniga Ovadahed And yes George Lucas did get inspired by the culture and sport with the help of Joseph Campbell and George Jung.
Im here from the magic roundabout movie
Understandable. Jedi are space magic samurai.
選手はもちろん、審判の方々の動体視力はスゴいですね。
はい、そうです。
@@peer_lib すみません。私はスキルを高く評価しようとしています。あなたを怒らせるつもりはありませんでした。あなたのメッセージがわからない場合は申し訳ありませんが、中国 語しか話せません。
@@peer_lib 私はあなたを誤解しました。しかし、あなたは正しい、彼らは剣道をオリンピックに戻すべきだ。資格のあるレフリーが見つかる場合のみ。
俺なら確率2分の1だしテキトーに旗上げちゃう😑
ただ当たれば良いわけではないからね
確かに実践ではこのような戦いにはならない。しかし真剣を持った場合、剣道をやっている人には攻め方を考えられる。そしてお互いに棒を持った場合には剣道をやっている人間には絶対に素人は勝てない。何故か？剣道をやっていれば分かるのだが、相手の棒の軌道が全て見えるからだ。
素人からすると経験者の打ち込みは見えないらしいね。
高校の体育で素人相手に無双してたわｗ
慣れっていうやつなのかな？凄え
Indeed, he also used his two sword style (Forced too i should say) when he was attacked as a young teenager by around 7 bandits. It is written by a local witness that after he slain two with his single sword, he drew the second and used it sort of as a shield as the account writes, then striking hard with his katana held in his right hand. the yoshika battle came after to which indeed true to form when fighting multiple enemies (around 25 this time) he used two swords again. amazing man.
With differences so minute like that I can't even begin to imagine how anyone can judge that. That is just truly amazing.
The referees be like:
“ *SHARINGAN!* “
Hahahaha
They use alot of chakra
I used to fence many years ago (epee) and I remember fencing a Swedish junior champion. Every so often we'd stand and just size each other up, waiting for one of us to do something. This bastard (and I'm just saying it with all the respect 'cause he was a great dude and he used to beat my ass all the time) would just wait for me to blink and when I did, it was all over. By the time I opened my eyes, he had pretty much closed the distance and it was all over with. Depressing but very cool to fence against people like that. Probably the dude I enjoying fencing against the most :)
I MISS the old days :)
Now, I'm not trying to take anything away from the Kendo guys. Just thought I'd throw that in there...
It's interesting to hear about parallels. I've had similar experiences.
bambooswordsman1 I don't know about Kendo but Fencing is not a big spectator sport, probably due to the speed. Hell, it's hard enough to know what's going on when you're in the room, on tv...hell no. :(
TotalDesignZ I don't know where you're getting your info from, but Fencing in an Olympic sport. It has a ruddy huge following, from the far corners of the world.
rpsteele12 You answered the wrong person but I still want to comment. It's not a big spectator sport due to the fact that it's hard to see what's going on. It's simply too fast and yes, I know it's big if you're a fencer but most people have never watched it.
Could you have countered by practicing to blink 1 eye at a time?
Did you ever feint a blink to force his move?
such a splendid sport omg
I've never seen a shinai bend like that if not for the slowmo camera. A very good fight, both are very fast and decisive.
Bruh these uniforms are just scary and dope in the same time. I really respect Kendo !
Final round : *Anime music starts playing
Great video. Thank you.
Great fighters and Great referees.
Martial Arts-various SPORTS or skills, mainly of Japanese origin, that originated as forms of self-defense or attack, such as judo, karate, and kendo. (Oxford Dictionaries).
Let's meet after another 12 years when youtube recommends this one.
Why isn't this on T.V. instead of all the crappy sports everyone else likes...
Because is crappy to the rest of the world and it just a few who watch this instead...
it is on TV. In Korea and Japan. Just not worldwide because most of the world don't give a fuck about this shit!
://SyCx1 Productions because everyone else likes those crappy sports? I feel like you kinda answered your own question there...
@Murat Gadjiev ironic
This and Sumo.
Bi monthly tournament started today.
Nattosumo is a good channel to catch daily condensation of the top division bouts.
First fight are like:
Miyamoto mushashi vs Sasaki Kojiro
I've practiced arnis my whole life and I like to exchange techniques with a kendo practitioner. Seems like I could learn a lot things from them.
In kendo, you have to feel component's blade's Ki by touching it with your Juk-do Also there is a skill that reflects component's blade in order for a clean hit.
This literally pushes the limits of human ability. Many commenters don't understand how difficult this is - it's in par with what Usain Bolt may have achieved by shaving milliseconds off his time.
剣道は武道でなければなりません。
スポーツであるという考えは間違いではないが、正しくもない。
Hello, I'd like to ask people who do Kendo, Japapenese if possible. What do you achieve in real life when you do Kendo? It probably helps you stay fit like any other sports but other than that ? For example I do boxing because I like to hit and being hit, it reminds me that I'm not made of glass, also it improves my eye-hand coordination and reflexes. I'm seriously asking this because it looks like a cool sport that I would like to try but its gears and classes are expensive so I'd like to hear some opinions. I also wonder if age matters
+Donny Darko Well,i am not japanese, but i have started kendo recently. First, it keeps you fit, yes, and it also increases your stamina a lot. But i have noticed, that you require a gread deal of concentration. Our sensei says that kendo is the best sport apart from chess to increase your intelligence. And since i am doing kendo, i have improved my grades in math, so i think you can achieve things in life with it. Also, age doesn't really matter, we have someone who is around his sixties, and he beats me every single time, eventhough i am a lot younger.
Thank you very much my friend. Since age doesn't matter then I will continue with boxing as long as I can. When my body cannot take boxing anymore I might shift to Kendo :)
+Donny Darko friendliest conversation on the internet so far
+Donny Darko I'm not Japanese aswell but i've been practicing Kendo quiet Long now and of course like every other Sport it keeps you Fit but it mainly trains your Mind you will get a better person and you will notice what it means to show respect of course Kendo is very very Hard. My sensei said that nobody on the World is good at Kendo nobody that is alive. So you will Fail very often you will be down very often but you will learn to get up every single time showing resepct every single time and Fighting yourself every single time.
I hope that kinda helped you and also it is my Opinion about kendo not every one Shares this Opinon alot of people just train kendo because of the ''Fighting'' Part or mainly because of the Shiai but however as a boxer you will have some problems with your Footwork. But yeah Kendo is the best Martial Art for me and it helped me very much in my Daily Live and it made me a better person and i highly recommend it to every one
as i said it's my Personal opinion and not every one shares the same :)
hoope i could help you
Thank you my friend, I will keep every comment in mind. You helped me a lot. Thank you very much :)
Makes you glad you weren't born in the sword era. Even if you kill your opponent, you're likely to die yourself or sustain lifelong injuries.
as a kenjutsu practioner ill assure you the victor of a sword fight in history would not wounded or life-long injured. The reason is the video above is not actual ancient sword technique of history its sport, and it follows sporting based rules while kenjutsu or literally ken= sword, jutsu=technique has no rules other than killing your oppenet while you yourself survive at all costs.
think of it like this you would never use kiai like kendoka do becuase its useless and in a real right itll telegraph your entire technique to a seasoned swordsman who wont use his kiai yelling until hes firmly commited his sword into you.
kendo practioners do things that would have their wrists, forearms, and of course shoulders cut wide during a real fight such as resting the shinai on them because during a bind the judges dont regonize the little resting on the arms and wrists as bad technique while the two go at it, while in kenjutsu the second you get into a bind you get away via kicking or pushing the enemy off you never let his "ha" edge rest upon your arm during a bind even in armor
***** Isn't that exactly what I meant? I in no way implied that kendo IS how sword combat is in real life. But the brutality and the ease of striking a lethal blow gives you an inkling of how quickly sword fights actually end in real life (for unarmored combatants anyway). No fancy 5-minute wuxia fight scene, but over in a blink of an eye. And you'll likely get yourself killed as well.
Angreh Kittunz
apologizes, your post seemed from that of one who thinks kendo was legit i misread your post and for that i apologize.
but in history we have plently of warriors whom survived many duels some survived entire wars it was a matter of technique vs technique he whom was better trained will live uninjured to fight another day.
a kenjutsu duel typically lasts 4-5 different movements depending on the practioner after that period has passed he whom had better form will have won uninjured as no swordsman will allow himself to be injured to gain victory.
war was fair then you couldn't just nuke a whole city or country,you could block most things if you had talent,and fighting was an art not just pulling a trigger
@@masterdude134 Which ryu are you from may I ask? My sensei always said that there's 3 outcomes to a duel. One, you are better than your opponent so you kill him. Two, your opponent is better than you so he kills you. Three, you are both equal in skill and you kill each other. So what that means is that you have a one in three chance of getting out alive in a fight meaning the odds are immediately against you.
@mikeymarshful Modern armor itself is lighter, but soldiers don't just carry their armor anymore. A modern battle rifle weighs more than a great-sword (large swords weigh 8-10 lbs, an unloaded AK-47 is roughly 9.5 lbs), plus all the ammo they carry for it (15 mags or more), plus their sidearm and its ammo, hand grenades, and other equipment needed to fulfill their combat role. All a medieval knight had was his armor, dagger, and sword/shield/polearm.
watching multiple screens at the same time, finally we are in back to the future
Go to 4:20 on the timeline and you'll hear *Yoshi*
The conclusion is: the referees have 16x speed eyes :D
0:44 OH MY GOD
ikr
Physical momentum would carry the sword along the same path it takes 80milliseconds for the impulse from the brain to reach the wrist, then we factor in the fact that there is a delay between brain getting hit and the loss of signal, which for easy numbers we'll say 10ms (not even close to actual value, but easy to use for the concept), so 0.009s = 9ms so the 2nd guy hit the first 81ms "BEFORE" his body even realised he's dead, and even if it was instant newtons 2nd law still applies
Takanabe,Teramoto are famous kendo player policemen.
Japanese police have kendo player policemen.
They are usually work with others.But,they are training kendo eveyday.
Why doesn't Kendo attack the legs? Many commenters have stated this question as if the fact that Kendo does not attack the legs means that is is only a sport and not a martial art. In real martial systems no parts of the body would be off limits. The fact is that most sword fighting systems around the world do not attack the legs. A good explanation of why this is in in the video Sword & Shield Fighting with Roland Warzecha at min 27.40. Mr. Warzecha practices a HEMA style but the principles stated about reach are universal.
bambooswordsman1 Why is there a "real martial art" in the first place? Martial arts can range from simple exercises to improve strength and endurance to military training to quasi-entertainment (like war dances). All of which are tools used to prepare people (not necessarily warriors) for combat. Too many people watch wuxia movies and think "martial arts" refers to _actual_ combat. It does not. The goal is preparation, not maiming your own troops.
bambooswordsman1 First of all, things like straight up boxing don't attack the legs, but would you call it any less fighting than other martial arts? Second of all if you pay attention how quick these people are, that they only really need a couple of inches to go for your head. If you decide to go for the legs in a sword fight, chances are your head is going off really fast.
sslivkov Please read the whole comment and watch the video recommended in the comment. I am a Kendo practitioner and this comment is a defense of the fact that Kendo does not attack the legs.
bambooswordsman1 yep I've seen those hema longsword competition and they don't seem to even try and hit the opponent's legs.
I beleived that if you can't swiftly cut through his flesh and bones. That you'll give ou a wide open to your stomach and head.
0:51 this is me when my girlfriend tells me that was all because of something I did
how the hell the referee saw that?
There is an inherent diference in the way iado and kendo are practiced. Not to mention sport fighting versus a real life or death are two very different things.
I think if you're used to hollywood where actors use a lot of excessive movements for flourish it might look like that, but the high speed camera really reveals that they are moving really precisely with the smallest possible motion. It's juts going so fast we can barely pick it up. In pretty much every round, if the men were using real swords I think it would be safe to say that both of them would be dead.
だから、オリンピックの競技にしたくない
いやー本当にそうですね。オリンピックでやってほしくないです。
武道ではあるけどスポーツじゃないですもんね
そのせいで柔道もスポーツ化しちゃたもんね
There's a problem with ALL of these tournaments, whether kendo, foil, epee or any other sword type. The participants simply don't have enough fear of being hit. What matters in these matches is to hit the other guy an instant or more before he hits you - but that's not realistic. You don't want to get hit AT ALL, not even a glancing blow or a cut on an arm, hand or leg.
Maybe a tournament would be more 'realistic' if hits were only counted if the hit was unchallengeable (the other man's hit is rendered moot because he would have already lost the ability to perform the hit) or if one man made a clean hit on another without getting touched by the other after the hit. You could limit the length of the match by awarding the win to the man who got the first clean or unchallengeable hit - a one point match.
If you're fighting with blades, you're going to get cut. Especially if it were with Katanas.
Wait - please, I don't mean they should actually start swinging real swords at each other. :-) What I'm saying is that there should be an effort to move away from the "all I need to do is touch him before he touches me" mindset and make the requirements for scoring a point significantly more rigorous.
I can only speak to Kendo. In Kendo, we are taught specifically to not care if we are hit. You see your moment and attack with no regard for your own life. This attitude is taught in all Japanese sword arts. In view of the Samurai ideal of "if you wish to survive, you should not go to war at all," I do not believe your comment is valid.
bambooswordsman1 Something tells me that Musashi did not share your view on this.
He states this explicitly in the Book of Five Rings.
両方死ぬ？フェンシングだって同じだろ。
Both are dead?
fencing is also the same.
Kenshin kato then the moral of the story is: hide and shoot :)
For the answer to your question, I have in the past. I stopped going after a year because I felt I wasn't learning anything beyond how to tourney spar. The most I got out of it was physical fitness. It's fine to use overwhelming attack as a strategy in kendo tournaments, as kendo doesn't really train you to do much more than that.
As -th fgh- user kindly mentioned, 刀 states for "sword" and pronounced as "to" in 二刀流 - NiToRyu. I'm sure that you know that Japanese sword in general is called "NihonTo" - 日本刀.
This is what happened in real life Lol Forget about those samurai duels you see on TV. A real fight will probably ends in under 1 minute.
Thanh Nguyen yea, not just samurai but any other duels. even if the superior swordsman only got cut but not seriously wounded he might still die because of bacterial infection of wounds. real battles are nasty. those period war movies of heroes surviving multiple wounds are bullshit like how modern movies are bullshit showing heroes dodging bullets
When i hear him talk he sounds similar to Zoro from One Piece XD Santoryu!
Wouldn't a sufficient helmet make vertical blows ineffective in real life combat?
I had the same question when I first started Kendo. I've never used a real sword on someone wearing a good helmet so I tell you what I have been told. Even with a good helmet, a two handed blow will deliver a enough blunt trauma to kill or at least knock out one's opponent. This is why we use bamboo swords (shinai) which are designed to absorb force rather than wooden swords (bokuto). This argument become more convincing to me after I felt how hard my Kendo teachers hit me. This is also related to why just touching someone with the sword is not a point in Kendo. Only blows considered strong enough to kill are points in Kendo.
frostek
Thank you for the confirmation. I would very much like to hear the story behind that piece of testimony.
I have to remind you that kendo simply evolved as an actual duel-based martial by the samurai as a means to avoid actual injury or death using real sword or bokken. it modified some technics since the modern kendo of today does not require technics used before.
: Right, but what happens when the hits are throw at the same time, or close enough to the same time that both hits will strike, even if you technically hit first. The shenai are also less than half the weight of the sword they represent, which would prove a difficulty when they pick up an actual weapon if they don't have the training for that.
I love the Bruce Lee sounds
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Hmm.. Should have thrown the pummel.
The Japanese talk of honor... but can they truly end him rightly?
It's a sport. These rules are meant to keep the competitors from being hurt. In Martial Arts schools, they train you how to be deadly effective but only limit those for matches and sparring. Don't want teens or young adults killing each other. Also, the spirit of martial arts (At least Chinese Martial Arts) is to only fight in defense, never be aggressive. Always avoid killing or severe injuries and never go further than necessary to protect yourself.
I'm sorry but you are wrong. Nitouryu literally means two sword school. 二刀流. Look up the characters individually if you like. I don't know about Musashi, but in Japan and in Kendo, the term is used to refer to the using of two swords at once.
So what's funny is it's not just who hits first like you would think. You actually have to scream, stomp your foot, and strike with "emotion" all at the same time. I've asked many Japanese to explain how to score in kendo and none can easily, they just say its the "emotion". And where I live everyone does kendo lol
I don't understand the concept of this... even tho one gets a hit in first, the other one is already swinging and hits right after. my point being if these were real sword they would both die..one doesn't simply fall and die as soon as he gets struck... plz enlighten me some1 to the concept of this?
Kendo is a sport, these light bamboo swords are not representative for how fast a samurai would have been able to strike. Those strikes are for points. In many strikes you can see they strike the hand or wrist, in real life this would often cut off the hand and render the opponents swing nullified.
The correct answer to your question is that the old Samurai philosophies teach that you must be willing to die to win. If you are willing to put your life on the line and commit to you attack, you will beat an opponent who will only strike when he is sure he will survive. If this had been a real sword fight, both men would have died. But that isn't really a problem.
Please excuse the curtness of my reply, your question is a perfectly fair one. I just get tired of people who have never practiced Kendo, or any sword marital art claiming Kendo is a sport because it doesn't match their Anime based expectations. Kendo is a martial art, ask anyone who practices it. You say those strikes are for points. Yes, but every point in Kendo would be a lethal blow.
bambooswordsman1 ty that was a very well explained answer, and makes perfect sense.
I just didn't understand the concept, since most studies I have done are regarding Britain medieval, who as you perfectly pointed will not strike/ expose himself even
if he can get the kill if it means him dying in the process. that it why I did not understand.
anyways TY for this information.
A forearm cut would cut off your hand. So i assume that whatever hand was holding the sword would now be on the ground. Thus eliminating any possibility that the sword will touch you. I assume.
Kim Wu If you're referring to the top comment in the series, I am not sure which wrist hit he is referring to, but if a wrist (kote) hit is taken, that person get the point and the opponent, even if the hits the head (men), would not get a point. this a happens all the time in Kendo so I don't think it proves what he thinks it does.
剣道やってればなんとなくわかると思う
I attended a dojo and remember well the distaste my senseis showed when someone got worried about being hit. This "dodge first and attack if possible" makes your attacks horribly flawed. The rigorosity of a right attack is why i love kendo so much more than fencing. It isnt enough to touch someone. You have to move your body right, canalize physical energy(kiai) and handle the sword firmly, so that with a real sword you could sustain the attack until you could cut through armor and the very bone
I'm actually lost on what are you trying to say here.But i clearly explained that duels are not limited to just 'skilled' warriors, people who are not very skilled can duel each other too.
03:00 am now.. and i can't sleep
I don't need sleep! I need answer!
and i thought im fast
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If you want immediate satisfaction or rewards, go with Judo. In Kendo it will be a couple of months before you are allowed to wear uniform (hakama) and a few more before you are allowed armor (bogu). You will learn the four main moves in a week and spend years learning how to do them right.
Talk about timing and dedication. Respect.
to be honest, it doesn't really matter who hit the other one quicker, if it is in a real battle with real sword, they are both dead
What an insightful comment. Those of us who have been practicing Kendo for years never realized that when two people fight, they both might die. I'm glad you shared you and the thousand other people who had the exact same original observation chose to bless us with what I'm sure is your well researched and knowledgeable analysis.
bambooswordsman1 kendo is not a sport, it's for samurai to practice sword fighting because they are banned to use sword since tokugawa period. My sensei always taught me to have that mentality when practicing kendo
RisinSunTF2
No Kendo is not a sport. But if you really do practice Kendo, you teacher should have told you that the moment comes, you attack without regard for your own life. But none of this changes the fact that your first comment was obvious and pointless.
My sensei did taught me in really battle, you should be prepared to die at any moment or not being afraid to get hit, but it doesn't mean you should be allowing yourself to be hit like that. And the one you are talking about, sutemi, is only used by mostly beginners or in extreme situations like being surrounded in battle. For experienced trainers, I think not being hit while being able to hit your opponent is also a very important part of kendo. I know in this kind of competition, the only goal is to hit first, but is pointless in real battle.
RisinSunTF2 Kendo is actually a sport now, like european sport fencing. Kenjutsu is the martial art it is derived from and in kenjutsu you do learn to strike without getting hit as far as I know. Also it wasn't only used in battles but also as a self-defence tool and for that it doesn't really matter if you kill your attacker when you're dead yourself.
This is a sport lmao talking bout some "if this was real sword fighting". It's not. They have wooden sticks and are using equipment. That's almost like watching a hockey fight and saying "if this was a real fight..."
Doesnt matter who hit first.. both are dead..
***** Kendo is a modern bullshit created by the japanese to signify their heritage when the real true japanese sword fighting was already dead after the Meiji Era.. btw the greatest samurai that ever lived beaten ppl using a stick than a katana either way...
knight2battle What makes you such an expert? The ancestry of Kendo goes directly back into the into the Edo period where people still fought with swords. The word Kendo is recent the but use of the bamboo training sword and the Kendo armor goes back 300 years. Just because it isn't what you saw in Anime doesn't mean its not real.
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Why does the fact that they both die mean its not real sword fighting? The old Samurai philosophies teach that if you are going to war you should be ready to die and that the one who is more willing to throw away his life is more likely to win the fight. When they both tried to strike they didn't know for sure that their opponent would be striking at the same time.
bambooswordsman1 Its more of a standard form of sword fighting... the sword techniques used by the greatest and renown samurai's in japan skills were all lost after they died... now we just see a shadow of its former self, its a dying tradition being preserve by modern inheritors..its glory only recognized by people who only saw them wage wars on their own kin, they never stood up against any other civilization... the only time japan showed their greatness was in WW2 where the only Asian country that could stood up to the West and attacked them in their soil...
knight2battle
Stood up to the west? I love Japan as much as the next guy, but you call sneak attacking Pearl Harbor great?
Greiner is right, i have been learning kendo for 10 months, one of the hardest things to notice in kendo is that they only hit the enemy with their sword's inertia (in other words, they stop the attack a few centimetters before it hits). No one can learn that in one month for example (not even me, i'm only half of the way). Dominating this means "control of your techniques", and you won't hurt anyone (even without armor), so keep it in mind when you decide.
@A3neas
The Men (the helmet), Do (the breastplate), Kote (the gauntlets) and Tare (the armored skirting) are the basic components of the Kendo Bogu (the armor). In Kendo, it's part of your form to call your targets when you strike them, to show the judges that it wasn't just a fluke that you hit what you hit.
0:45 was an incredible exchange. Parry and counter faster than I could see
Yes, 2nd law would apply, but the sword no longer has the force of the swordsman's arm behind it, therefore the only force is the weight of the sword. Unless the sword's very heavy or if the sword's path of motion continues, it would be difficult to kill the other person.
I think that person's commenting on the ongoing 'sportification' of Kendo. For example, there are some folks who think that it should be included in the Olympics (although Kumdo seems to be pursuing that much more intently because the organizing bodies have said that they're willing to using electronic scoring systems)
Is that niten ichiryuu? The one that Musashi Miyamoto created? I read vagabond lol.
Bernardus Valentino not necesarily. though the style was based on musashi's niten, it was reported that this particular player's style was self-taught.
Raven Flau oo i see, its good that he is being creative haha thxs for the info btw
I really don't know what you're trying to say. This is a sport, it's meant to be safer and not for self defense. They train in this to win competitions which for some people can have a career out of it.