Overclocking RAM Starters Guide For SAMSUNG B-Die DDR4 Memory!
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- The FIRST 1,000 people to use the link will get a 1 month free trial of Skillshare: skl.sh/thegood... Overclocking RAM Starters Guide For SAMSUNG B-Die DDR4 Memory! Today I show you how to get started with BDie Memory Overclocking. Using an AM4 Ryzen 5600 I go through how to tune RAM frequency, what your Latency goals should be, how to Tune Timings, and test/verify stability.
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hey chris does this apply to alderlake tuning im on 59ns with just xmp with viper 4000mhz
got kingson fury ram cant tight anyting 3600mhz cl 17 21
Thank you Chris! DDR4 is out since 2014 and this is the first decent RAM OC video ever, lol
🧡🧡🧡
Other than buildzoid, it pretty much is lol. I'd say it's the first gaming focused ram oc guide.
@@t7274 i think shooting for 3600cl14 on zen 3 and b-die is not enough, thats not where u buy b-die for imo.
@@budgetking2591 I'd argue that it's also for the tight primaries and sub timings. 3600c14 will get most of the way there. If you go to 3800 and above, it's highly possible you're getting fps regression.
Copied your settings and got down to around 62 ns. Used DRAM Calc and now I’m sitting at 55 ns. Like title says this is great place to start! 👍
I’ve gotten to 62 ns to did you manage to get any lower?
One important thing to note when overclocking and tuning Samsung B-die. They are extremely temperature sensitive and tight timings can become less stable when exceeding 40 degrees Celcius. If you are having trouble overclocking your RAM, put a fan directly over your RAM for some active cooling.
Hi man, I don't have airflow right now so my idea was to test OC with case closed. Literally no air. I'm testing at 50C, 1.5V and do run into errors very randomly. So it's a stupid idea? I should only test with airflow? I though that what I'd get stable at 50C will work for sure at 40 ... :D
Where's the love button? Best PC tech video I've seen in months!
Just ordered some b-die last night, couldnt be better timing with this video! Many thanks!!!
Having 32GB (Dual Rank) does hurt max. frequency but it brings along some nice benefits! Dual Rank RAM configs can reach up to 5-10% better performance at the same settings just by beeing Dual Rank because the IMC can work on one Rank while the other is doing something else. So if you can get similar settings running on Dual Rank its always gonna outperform Single Rank!
I noticed some shops even sell half rank DDR.
agree and I got my 4 x 8gb sticks to play nice at 3200 CL16 not going to fix something that isn't broken maybe on a hobby machine but I do my work on this PC and its got to be ultra reliable.
@@ytszazu2gmail381 half rank is not a thing but some cheap low capacity modules come with half the bank groups which hurts performance a lot!
@@ytszazu2gmail381 Half rank?
TWTR_s = 4, TFAW=16 has a positive impact on latency
Is this standard ? Would this work with 3200mhz cl 16 ?
@@dzcasanova8840 On bdie yes, 4 6 16 will work on any B die kit
Agreed, with his TFAW at 40, he would at least drop a few ns at 16.
@@dzcasanova8840have u tested this?
if on edge of fclk 6 6 24 works as well otherwise you have to drop down fclk and set 44 16
Great vid Chris, efforts are appreciated
This came spot on. Just got a 2x8gb Gskill 4400 CL16 on my 5600x and B550 UnifyX. I am running them now at 3900 CL16 (manually set in BIOS but not touched anything else) lWill follow the guide and see where I end up. Cheers
before tuning Aida64 mem latency was 62ns. Now its 52ns 🤙
@@andreiloghin I recommend doing an all core OC too.
Absolute legend !!! Thanks for this 🙏
No problem 👍
We thank you!
Thanks Chris. I've been waiting on someone to show me how to take advantage of the memory I've had since 2018! Thanks a lot man. I will check Thaiphoon and I will jump into this tonight. Cannot wait to see how fast my 5600X can be.
Haha bad
Guess what ? Having almost the same kit as you (mine with slightly better stock CL number) I went all in and did all settings at once. Mirrored everything you do in you video. It f_kin' works man. You rock Chris !!!!!!!!!!
Awesome! Most Bdie can do this. It really just comes down to voltage. Some need more some need less. Normal binning stuff.
Don’t sell your ram just because you do not have B die. B die is literally top of the line. You can still have amazing performance on other dies.
16:27
tREFI, tRRD_S/tRRD_L and tFAW have big impact too
set them to ~40000, 4/4(6), 16
This video has a good motivation behind it. So that's good good old gamer. And it wasn't bad, but it is missing some explanation that is very much needed when memory overclocking.
Command Rate is one. Many Zen 2 chips fucking CANNOT do below 2T or "gear down mode" 1T at that bandwidth and timings. So then the question is, should I go to super low memory clock speed to get flat, non gear down 1T command rate? I'd say no, but I'm still learning. 2T doesn't effect that Aida64 overall latency or bandwidth for gaming for my Zen 2 chip. It's more a stability thing.
And explaining the tRFC, yeah pretty good. BUT, I found a formula that really shows how the tRFC1 tRFC2 tRFC4 in all work each other. You change tRFC1, you GOTTA change the remaining tRFCs. So, that's why you put 260 under the big setting tRFC1/2/4. Btw the formula is TRFC2 = trfc1 /(divided by) 1.346. TRFC4 = trfc2 / 1.625. Just do the one Chris did.
There's a formula for tRC as well to eliminate a lot of repeated tests/time.
"tRC=tRP+tRAS rounded up to the next even number and tRC=tRP+tRAS+2 are also considered to be fine."
Found that on Reddit. Just search "TRC ram formula" in Google. Try those, they stable, THEN lower the tRC number by one until it's spitting errors.
tFAW is another one. tFAW = tRRD_S or _L * (times ) 4. Try each one, whichever one is stable, that's it.
I've explored this in part because of you Chris and Frame Chasers. I will say, I see why people just defer to XMP who've attempted memory overclocking for recommendations. Forget your 5 hours man, when learning this, give yourself a day to 2 days worth of effort/learning!!!! Fuckin el!!
Oh, and other non Samsung RAM kits, I'd say you should be good with same voltages. BUT, those RAMs typically don't increase clock speed or lower timings that much, let alone Command Rate working at 1T. You'll lower the timings just a little in comparison. They'll perform better than XMP, but, latency won't be that improved. But hey, if you got non Samsung die and you don't wanna pay more money, that RAM should be fine regardless. 1.5 volts on all RAM is ok. It will just, much more often than not with non Samsung B die, not lower (or loosen, fucking esotericism) timings much more below there XMP values. But it won't melt or start a fire in your system with some normal, healthy airflow.
Thanks for the detailed comment
You don't have CPUZ in the description of the video.
I understand it's a beginner video, but there are many fundamental misconceptions. 3 major ones are that 1) AIDA is chosen as a benchmark for memory performance and also that only latency matters. 2) memory speed and by extension for ryzen fclk are more important than primary timings. 3600 14s is better than 3200 12s. 3) lastly, trrds, trrdl and tfaw give a huge performance boost that is greater than trp, tras being a few ticks lower.
Hello man you look like pro. Can u help me. Where i can find good timings number for my 3200 kingston fury ram? But i think its not samsung B. HYNIX B OR MIRCON E.
you have some nummbers?
True and false. While 3600mhz is the sweet spot most Ryzen setups see diminishing returns past 3600 and that’s if your CPU can FCLK past it. Memory latency not CAS latency does matter most, especially in ESports. You can run DDR5 6000mhz cl 30 tuning the timings to 55ns a kit of bdie at 4000 cl 15 at 46ns outperforms the DDR5.
Very informative.
I Bought some b die after seeing you recent videos and i've been testing over the last week or two. I currently have a kit of micron e die (Crucial balistix 3200cl16) running at 3800cl16 with all timings trimmed down, aida gives that kit a score of 66ns. My b die kit does 3800 cl14 and i get 63ns with that. After testing both in games there is relatively next to no gain when using the b die kit. I have a 3700x and msi x370gaming pro carbon on latest BIOS. I guess the take away is that if you have a good kit of non b die ram that can do comparable timings to b die its not worth the upgrade. Thoughts?
Depends what game youre playing and what settings youre playing at. If your GPU usage was already at 95% with the original ram then you won't see much more scaling. Try testing on lower video settings so you're more cpu bound. Also, bdie will scale a lot more with Intel or Ryzen 5000. 3000 just has a lot more latency.
His video's are comparing tuned memory to stock memory and tuned cpu's to stock cpu's. Almost every memory out there can be tuned. So, the difference in performance will be less when comparing tuned to tuned. There are even sites out there that show you what to put for every single parameter based on what ram you have and it works for Zen 2. B-die is not worth it unless you NEED ram. And spending the time to OC is only worth it for one scenario. You can't play the game you want and have zero money to upgrade. It's not to go from 100fps to 110fps. You can't tell the difference.
It is highly application dependent,it can brute force a lot of ubisoft or Emulator/sim type games especially in the 1% low departmnet as well as making your system snapier,also as time goes on 3200cl16 will start falling behind where as 3800cl14 could get you an extra 12 months on Cpu longevity.
Play warzone youll see a difference lol
Hi good ole gamer. I have benefited so much and learnt new things about Ram Overclocking in your videos. I want to purchase either the 12600K or the 12700K with the Samsung B Die ram your recommended but I really wish you had done a memory Overclocking Guide using an alderlake CPU. Not sure if u did one already.Reason for that is I wanted to purchase the exact motherboard u used with alderlake so it will be easy for me to follow everything you did to achieve such great cpu and memory overclock. thanks
I been ocing memory for a while.
Memtesthelper is a really good tester..
You didn't address the other voltages... But i guess when you arent pushing it.. The others can be default.. The tertiaries are important too.
My Samsung B-Die is 3600Mhz with minimum timing delays of CL19 and lowest read latency of 14T. Although it's advertised as 3600Mhz 17-18-18-18--38-56. Currently I have it at 3600Mhz 16-16-16-34-50. This gives a latency of 68ns on a 3700X. Might have to try bumping the Soc and dram voltage like yours to see if I can get it down further. Your B-Die memory is better than mine though.
B-die is B-die. Ignore the MFG XMP setting. The only real difference is some of the lower speed RAM kits (3200-3600Mhz,) might not hit super high speeds, but for AMD that's not happening anyway. You should be able to get to 63ns "ish" following my lead. That's what I got on my 3700X 3733Mhz 1:1 14-14-14-28 1T 1.5v
B-die safe up to 1.5v without heatspreaders, and 1.65v with them. You're able to achieve the same numbers in the video - just not at the same voltage.
Can i lower the SoD Voltage to. 950? Lr its need be at 1,1?
Great video good sir! Keep up the stellar work!!
You should also tune the VDDP and VDDG voltage if you really want to get the best result, 0.95v VDDP and 0.99v VDDG is a good start.
how the hell do you install thaiphoon burner when it the site is insecure
Running 10900KF with B-Die 4000MT/s C15 latency at 37ns, I love this CPU!
If youre using 4 dimm sticks youre going to have to enable Gear Down Mode 1t and Proc ODT at 43.6 ohms and it should be good to go for OP's same timings.
Is using b-die necessary for cpu's like 13600k? This is all so confusing and id be afraid to fuck shit up 😂
This^
mine is samsung and not b-die but 8gb / 1 die
does this works?
Thank you! Can you do one of these vids for INTEL X99a chip set and 4x 8GB B die? I have a 6950X that will be going into my MSI Godlike early next week.
Don't. The best advice I can give on motherboards is buy a board with only 1 DIMM per channel. Not sure what the Godlike has, but most highend boards have 2DIMMs per channel. I'll do a video on my nightmare experience with the Ryzen 5700G soon.
@The Good Old Gamer This is a X99a board with quad channel memory. So I need to go to 4 × 8 for 32 GIG, or fall back to dual channel.
It's ridiculous to just ASSume that everyone can get tCL to 14, and just skip by anyone having problems getting there. I have 64g GSkill 3600 16,16,16 Neo, on a Aorus Extreme Master X570 mobo, and a 3900x cpu. But whenever I set the tCL to 14, I continue to get failed starts. I have the SOC to 1.2 and the DRAM Freq is set to 1.5v. Yet, it will not start unless I back the tCL back to 15. SOOOOO, I'm wondering why you would have given those who couldn't just achieve a tCL of 14, some other settings to help achieve that, rather than just move on and ignore probably 90% of those trying this?????????????????????
Hi Sir
I have Apacer Panther Black-Gold 16 GB (4x8) DDR4 3200 Mhz CL16 ,I have Amd 5900x (ıs thıs ram speed good for amd 5900x)
can i still overclock my ram ,what ıs the hıghest ı can overclock
what should be the dram voltage and soc voltage ı have to gıve
Please ı need help sir
I dont know much
or ıs thıs 3200mhz good for my amd 5900x
what people usually use
thank you
keep up the good work
I got a super nice set of gskill stick a while back so OC them now like I wanted too I got
3800mhz (stock speed)
1900flck
Cl 14-15-15-15-29
TRC 44
TRFC1/2/4 240. (220 doesn't post might try 230 later)
Also from my readings before OC my ram you can't have your TRC lower then what your tRP + tRAS is. Hence me 15+29 = 44. Haveing it lower can introduce instability to your system which is never a good thing.
Also another pro tip, before starting all this make sure gear down mode is disabled. if not when you boot your system you might set up your settinyg like CL set to 15. Instead of 15 it will up it to 16 to be more stable in some cases.
Feel like with what I paid for my DIMMs I should of gotten more out of them but my latency dropped almost 20ns so I'll still take the win on this.
Final ATM 55.4ns. will try to work on it next weekend tho 🤷
This only helps if you can get B-Die memory...not even the PC outlets in my country can tell me which memory is B-Die,or if you can even get it.
I have Samsung B die Ram, HP V10. cl 14. I can see from CPU Z; my DRAM frequency is 1800 MHZ whereas uncorefrequency is 3600 Mhz. How to make them same as you say in the Video . Thanks.
Why is the CPU down locked here to 3500? And not on auto around 4600 boost?
Is it beneficial for best latency? I want the most Snapy experience in games, but don't necessary need more frames.
Hey man it would really be awesome if you did this back with Intel ! 👍 probably get even more views because there's lots r y z e n overclock guides not so many Intel..
Man G Skill Trident Z Neo cl14 3600mhz 4x8gb overclocked to cl14-14-14-28-42 trfc 260 cr 1 Tfaw 16 helps with lower latency as well as the scls 2 3800mhz 4x8gb at 1.50volts and a 120mm fan pointing at the modules never goes above 27c and Ryzen 9 5900x getting 52ns latency love it.
Hi Kris, at 8:52, why did you leave uCLOCK to AUTO and not 1800? Souldn't the ratio be 1:1:1 always? Would leaving fCLOCK to AUTO be ok? Say, for 3200mhz.
Man, I got raped by the silicone lottery. I have two sticks of dual rank 16gb 3600 CL16-16-16-36, I managed 3733mhz CL 14-14-14-28, and I only managed to bring it down to 58.6 ns. Any faster in the clock and it wouldn't post, and faster in the secondaries and OCCT would throw errors left and right.
What about Gear Down ? I can use cl13 with gear down on 4x8gb. I need 32 Gb ram for star citizen at least... i get 61.2 ns
Gear down disabled doesnt let me boot. Also i cant use the XMP as basis because of 4 ram sticks. XMP only works with 2 dimms.
Is it ok to have gear down enabled or should i raise timings instead? What will have better benefit ? Thx in advance .
BTW boys, this works not only with Samsung BDie, just don't expect as much performance (due to not as high clock speeds or higher latency) from other kits such as Hynix or Micron.
I thought that, but why does he say “only for Samsung B-die or it will blow up your ram”?
Hi Chris 🥰👋 from Australia 🇦🇺 👍as I have an itx board, what 2x 16gb (32gb total) B-die kit would you recommend?
To have a bigger overclocking head room should you buy rams sticks advertised higher than the infinity clock of your cpu can handle
Don't forget that dual rank kits are going to have a harder time reaching 3800+.
But that's okay because they have a performance boost due to rank interleaving.
Dual rank kits will also be harder to run 1T GDM OFF. 1T GDM on, like this video not so much.
Thanks really helpful, what soc voltage should I go for 12900k?
decent tutorial for "quick" memory tuning also by using two sticks of single rank memory like the guy in the video you are losing additional 8-10% of performance. if you truly want max performance get two sticks of dual rank ram, so you will get good frequency compared to 4 sticks but also take advantage of memory interleaving with dual ranked memory.
How do you know a module is dual rank or not ?
@@kingyogesh441 a rule of thumb for ddr4 is that any ram stick with 8gb or less capacity is single ranked, 16gb ddr4 per stick are mostly dual ranked, although not guaranteed. More reliable method is to open Cpu-z program and look in "SPD" tab. There, under "Ranks" you will see your answer. Also keep in mind your cpu enables memory interleaving (dual ranked mode) only when you have 4 sticks of single ranked memory or 2 sticks of dual ranked memory. 4 sticks of dual ranked memory enables quad rank configuration but its only marginally better than dual ranked mode.
@@h1tzzYT I see so a 16x2 32gb kit will most likely be dual rank .
@@kingyogesh441 it is very likely though not guaranteed, if you dont have access to it check its speed, if its 3200mhz cl14, 3600mhz cl16 it is most likely a dual ranked bdie. (all bdie memory which are 16gb per stick are dual ranked)
which one of these do you recommend ??
100$ - G.Skill RipjawsV DDR4-3200 CL14-14-14-34 1.35V 32GB (2x16GB). F4-3200C14D-32GVK
200$ - G.Skill RipjawsV DDR4-3600 CL14-15-15-35 1.45V 32GB (2x16GB). F4-3600C14D-32GVK
as someone who just tuned 4x8 4133 vipers down to cl14 3900mhz and went from 78ns to 44ns i could even get 16-16-16-36 4000mhz to post and xmp19-21-21-41 4133 which is base xmp would BSOD on my 12900ks. sometimes you gotta start lower to see what you can get up to. also a thing i noticed is that while you might pass a stress test you still might not be stable 110%, i had lowered some RTL numbers and shadow of the tomb raider wouldnt launch and my wifi would have issues connecting. went back to previous numbers and they both worked fine.
You might only need to increase your voltages for your memory controller. VCCSA and the other IMC voltages for 12th gen.
I’ve had overclocks pass stability testing and then games crash. it’s usually just the IMC in my opinion.
At 1.5v or ?
@@adriancervenka7682 Too high for 24/7 use. 1.45 max ram voltage.
Ram speed does matter for bandwidth.
Thumbs up for a very good job easy to follow great video ... that said not going to do any of this because I don't have the time but when I build my second Computer for doing stuff like this were i don't really care what its doing then deff will try this.
What best one ddr4 4800 19 28 28 28 48 or 4400 19 19 19 38 i will one of that but dont understand the 3 last lines tras trp and etc..
Very good video, but sadly i think my mob is shity, cause last time I tried oc ram I had to reset cmos
FCclock and Mem clock can be not in sinc but performance goes down
I think that OCCT for memory overclocking might be okayish for a beginner just trying to tighten timings a bit compared to Auto or XMP. For primary timings with the exception of tRP then OCCT should be fine, but for secondary and tertiary I wouldn't recommend it at all. OCCT lets me get away with tRP, tWR, tWCL that should give error out. I much more prefer to use HCI MemTestPro and make sure 'low priority threads' is unlocked, it takes a long time though... I've had certain timings that were only picked up after 7 hours, but generally %1000+ coverage is quite good. Most errors will usually get picked up by %600.
This is a good intro into memory overclocking. There really is a lot of performance that can be unlocked by tuning secondary timings further. TWR, tFAW, tRRD_L, tRRD_S, tCWL. But this is a solid video covering the primaries and frequency/ fclk.
Any recommendations for a video to doing the deeper dive into those settings you mentioned?
Can u tell good timings for hynix E?
thanks for running ryzen. makes this video completely useless to anyone running a real cpu
i cant get my latency lower then 69.7 on the same ram on a 5900x HELLLLLPPPPPPP
Why is it with two ram sticks I was able to do 4400mhz then went to 😡 4 then only 3600mhz
terrible video you didn't show how to download thaiphoon burner
If you need instructions on how to download thaiphoon burner you should stay away from computers in general
Yes after I got a Dual rank 7200 C31 OC before most of the internet
Great vid, keep them coming.
Yay skipping the important timing like the trrd s/o and tfaw and trdrd sg\dg
Thaiphoon does not read data anymore on the latest windows 10 :|
3600mhz can do cl13 easily with GDM off.
Thank you. So I shouldn’t buy 4x8gb? I have 5800x on b550
Great video
3600 14 14 14 28 55ns 1450v are safe? Or i need a fan?
For amd you can use ryzen memory tuner too. Edie also over clocks good too
tras can be drop to 22 and forget about AMD ONLY
19:30 Yes, you will likely lose frequency but youll be running dual rank, which has been shown to greatly benefit Zen 3.
It's about +5%. Not necessary, but helps offset any frequency/latency loss
@@TheGoodOldGamer This
I'm using Trident G skill 3200 c14 14 14 34 f4-3200c14d-16gtzrx and for some reason no matter what I do it will not go above 1.35 V. If I leave everything alone and all I do is turn on docp 3200 and set speed @ 3400 it works with xmp timings. But the moment I try to turn the voltage up at all or change the timings it won't post. Setup is a water-cooled 5900x rx6900xt custom Loop. R23 score is alittle low @23k... old Ram which was Corsair vengeance don't even know what it is... Just ugly old Ram 1.45 shit timings 3673mhz I'm getting 23800 r23. I would just like to get it too close to where it was with the old ram but with the new ram.
X570 crosshair dark mobo
I bet it's because it's 4x8 sticks. I watched the video a couple of times, but not the very end. I still think it's weird that it won't post if I up the voltage any higher than 1.35 volts
RIP new B-die, it was nice knowing ya
Excuse my knowledge, so I will not say names. I'm running a AMD Ryzen 9 5950X with 2 x 16GB G-Skill Trident Z Royal Elite DDR4 3600 CL14 at 3800 CL14 but my latency is nowhere near what you get. I've tried various things, including the 2nd and 3rd timings whichappears to help but not that much it seems and I saw you did not even touch those timings. I have not tried that, but I can and will in time when my windows 11 is installed again. I still have a hard drive running windows 10 as in benchmarks it is still better. Thaiphoon does not specifically state that it is B-die except for Samsung but checking the B-die online it appears to be also taken the timings I manage at 3800 it has to be. The full code for my memory is F4-3600C14-16GTESA. Now unfortunately running Gear Down disabled with these dimms is a no go where as the previous two sets of 2 x 8GB G-Skill Flare X DDR4 3200 CL14 was able to do it at 3800 CL16.
Just bought Amazon bargain bin Corsair Dominator Platinum 4x8 3600 C16. For under $200 shipped. Need to run Thaiphoon Burner when it arrives to confirm B-Die. If not, will return.
i have the exact same ram, might try this when im free
Please in next video place link to buy Samsung B die 32GB kit with 2 16GB 4000MHz modules or 4400Mhz (For good price). Having hard time finding any. With that said spent extra money on Asus dark hero VIII. Made that purchase months ago. Anyone reading don't buy it. Common place to overclock memory and get good results on memory test. Reboot and then it fails without changing settings. Even happens after a few weeks later. Everything water cooled with 480mm radiator. Temps are always good. Just heads up.
i have some team group with samsung c-die and i set my voltage up from 1.2 to 1.35 and went from 3600mhz to 4000mhz and it stable after a few of testing had no errors
Thaiphoon burner is being sussy
Dual rank provides a better performance boost than minor cas latency tweaks. You have to get high capacity sticks for dual rank or 4 sticks of single rank. 4 sticks will limit top speeds though.
That was certainly true years ago but now there are even 16GB modules that are single rank, so it's not guaranteed. 100% guaranteed is using 4x8GB and call it a day.
Pretty simplified and no doubt those timings will work on some high end silicon………..but highly doubtful they will work on even 50% of your average everyday “B” die. Memory overclocking is an extremely long and tedious process if your goal is 24/7 stability. You make it sound a little too easy…………and it just isn’t. The testing is spot on, but the “maybe final” overclock requires considerably more strenuous testing then 5, 10, or even an hour. Memory overclocking is a battle and considerably more difficult the overclocking a CPU. You should have also mentioned to save settings after each successful change as there’s nothing more painstaking then starting from scratch after spending a few hours tweaking memory timings. The secondary and tertiary timings also play an important role in achieving maximum ram performance. I’m not trying to be a “thorn” here. I’m only saying that your setting false expectations for most who will just fail miserably even attempting CL14. In taking a peak at your secondaries, they were just horrible…………..so alot of trade-offs to achieve very good latency.
I have 4 sticks of 8gb b-die rated at 3200 cl14 @ 1.35v. 5800x on a MSI x570s Ace Max. I see that most kits rated at 3600/14 are running at 1.45v. It seems logical I could get these to run at 3600/14@1.45v. But, I have no idea what sub timings to change.
I'm getting crashes with a 5600G Ryzen, Patriot Viper Steel 3200 MHz and MSI A520 A PRO mobo. All new parts... are these RAM not compatible with the mobo or something?
so w/ my patriot viper b-die. Do you think it's 'safe' with 1.5v dram and 1.2v soc (no higher) for daily driving so long as my mobo doesn't decide to humble me? Loved the video btw. Can't get enough of this kinda stuff. Thanx man! Had the other software already, but not OCCT. Saves me some time
I have the exact same model of Patriot Viper with the same thing pulling up in Taiphoon, etc. but have a 5800x and a Strix E board and can only get a little over 8 minutes into following the video before failure. I can't get it to boot into anything but safe mode if I try the XMP/DOCP, whether I leave or change the 4400 speed that automatically appears instead to 3600 and/or lower the voltage from the 1.5 it assigns to it automatically to try a lower number or leave it that high, etc... Unless it's because the settings need to be changed differently, it seems I may have got a dud kit, though I'll see if it can beat the cheap 3600 Ripjaws pack in a 9700k setup I have. But I'm not so confident, as I easily ran 2x16 gb Vengeance sticks at 3600 in the Asus board before. I also verified it's listed on the QVC before I bought the kit. Surely this kit should outperform the Crucial non-b die set, though maybe not. :D
ADDED EDIT: I discovered the hard way that, even though I knew a 2-set of RAM sticks needed to fill every other slot, those slots needed to be 2 and 4 on my motherboard. It immediately DOCP'd to 4400mHz after making the change. I will now try to follow the rest of the video.
The only game that will EAT all your RAM is BF2042... 16GB is not enough coz of a non-well-defined memory leak that will kill your game after 4/5 games.
1.5 volts?? Bro i have z690 msi edge ddr4 and cant go higher then 1.440. on 1.45v its red..
I got some $10 8gbx2 green 2133mhz ram and the asus mobo got it to run at 3200mhz but with dumb voltages "1.45v ram and io sa 1.3+" I was able to get it stable at 3000mhz 16 18 36 cr2 with 1.35v io sa 1.2
once again another tutorial for amd, can't find any good intel sub timings ect ect anywhere for intel. I tried subtimings what I found in bios for amd and nopers don't work, so dram calculator is junk for intel.
Yay one more person speeding misinformation about ram overclocking
Yay, so its perfect time for you to shine and show us how to do it properly :D i would love to lern it from true master
mine says 8 Gb / 1 die what it means ?
My Bios does not have a TRC option. I am using an Intel Platform.
For Intel TREFI is the big one. Start at 30000 and push up in 5000 intervals until unstable
@@TheGoodOldGamer Will you do an Intel RAM overclocking guide?
What should i set my tRFC1/2/4?... My tRFC 1 is 560, tRFC 2 is 416 and tRFC 4 is 256
i have a flarex 3200cl14 kit, lets say i wanna keep it at 3200mhz and just lower the timings, at whaat tcl value should i start?
my latency 5.9 ns :)))
Chris. I think this is the first time I've seen on video how to really tune the b-die ram. Good for you. Sharing this with some buddies.
Leyenda!
I wonder if i can do this on a gigabyte b350 board, sure i can do manual timings.... but i think the limit for my old motherboard its 3200 mhz i have the flare x gskill bdie i think its one of the first amd ryzen optimized memory
wonder if it would be a mild or extreme oc to get 4x16gig of 14-14-14-34 sticks to 3600mhz without loosening timings and without extreme voltage boosts...
I am running Ripjaws 4000 mhz ad Cas 14 this is stok speed.
Is this Bidie mem ? During gaming it hits 42 degrees that is not bad i am really happy with it.
Very likely to be B-Die. Care to share your timings? Like secondaries to be sure. Also you can open Typhoon and see what chip your memory has.
@@JorgeAlarconL 14-15-15-35 Samsung
@@fdiskformat5049 and the rest of timings?
@@JorgeAlarconL I do not know I use CPU-Z
Don not want to install that Typhoon program 🤗
@@fdiskformat5049 well you can only see the rest of timings looking at the bios, or using msi dragon ball or asrock timing configuration within windows, but looks like you have everything else on auto, so that cas 14 is not that useful.
Just want to know whether the nano second goal applies to the 8600 K CPU? I am seriously considering getting some B DIE to replace my 3200 CL 16 trash tier and carry that same good quality ram over to raptor lake in the next six months. I’m looking to alleviate some CPU bottleneck issues in VR games I’m having. I’m talking situations where my CPU frame timing blows out. GPU is fine its a 3080
The concern with calling the motherboard out is, as you are aware, the memory controller is entirely on the CPU. Therefore, perhaps it is more specifically the motherboard firmware itself?
There are differences with memory layout on MB's.Some run T-Topology, and some run Daisy Chain. You'll also find that MB's with only 2 DIMM slots tend to OC better than those with 4 DIMM slots. So yes, MB's can have an effect on RAM OC
Well I called out both, but I have a real world story to tell on why MOBO does make a huge difference coming soon.
Did not post after xmp and 3600