Thanks for this "public service announcement", glad I found it! I bought my Leica 10-25mm f1.7 in April 2021, and a few weeks back while being just still under warranty, my issue surfaced. Out of the blue, without any physical knocks, the lens zoom ring seized up just past the 12mm setting. I did not try to force the zoom, but now having heard your case, I think the seal may be the issue also, jamming the lens inoperable. I took it back to the retailer a few weeks back, and today was delighted to get an email, Stating that Panasonic Australia is going to replace the lens! Happy days 🍷
Thank god you got that sorted out! It might have been a little annoying but getting a new copy is 100% worth it and most new copies dont seem to have any issues.
Four years later. I bought the 25-50 part of the pair first. It is my best quality lens, and I couldn't love it more. I just today ordered the 10-25. Your video is making me worry! Let's hope after 4 years they've upped their gluing game.
@@neddanison9202 at this point, I probably need to just delete this video lol. In fact, I think I’m going to list it and put it in a playlist so people can find it if they want to
Same thing that happened to me. I figured theyd repair it but I got a whole new lens! 0 issues so far and now I just make sure to put it in my bag lens mount down so I dont pick it up by that area that tends to come loose.
At 1st I was thinking of getting one of these lenses to go with my G9 for stills shooting ( it looked like the new G9 II still had some issues to iron out ).I figured I had a good relationship with an in town camera store so I gave them a call, ' No, they did not have a new Leica f/1.7, 10-25mm - in fact they were not going to be offering it in the future - but they had a good conditioned used one for $1200. With the help of your detailed review I've decided not to be in a hurry. I don't want to be saddled with a lens that has construction issues - made in China - that Panasonic will not warranty. Again thank you.
I was about to bid this lens on eBay. But I contacted seller to ask specifically about this issue and he admited that this... (joint, edge, conjunction, seam, or whatever it is called - sorry, but my english vocabluary seems insufficient) is not perfectly tight. He sent me video and it can by seen there that when applying significant tension/streching force, it widens by about 0,5mm. Is it early sign of mentioned problem or is such widening of the gap (OH that is the word!) to be expected in fully functional copy when applying certain amount of force?
I don’t know if that means it would eventually get worse but it’s definitely something to consider. Ask the seller if it is still under warranty and if not maybe try to see if you can get them to lower the price for you
@@RhettThompsonFilm Of course it is not on warranty. If it was I would gladly use it as an excuse to get new copy under warranty. There would be no point in making any further research ;) Also he cannot lower the price as this is bidding with many participants. What I wanted to find out is wether your new copy (that you consider perfectly acceptable) is really tight? Like screw-locked tight. Or maybe there is some movement? I need a perspective of a person who is familiar with this issue.
@@przybylskipawel So my new copy is pretty much perfect. I’m not sure if anything was done differently except maybe they used more glue or the glue just stuck better. Either way it’s been nearly a year and the lens is still solid 100%. That being said I always put the lens mount down in my bag so I’m always picking it up by the front as to not tempt fate too much. If you get one it should stick pretty well and you should have no issues with it but if you do see an issue with it take care of it right away. This might be a lens to consider getting insurance on just in case something ever goes wrong. I hope that answered your question but if not please feel free to ask something else!
@@RhettThompsonFilm This is the best answer you could provide, although to be honest, if you are a person who take such a care handling this lens, you are unlikely to have ever had interacted with it the way this guy had when presenting a condition of his copy. BTW, I had no idea you can have used lens insured...
I'm renting the 10-25mm 1.7 and am glad I watched this again because I was thinking of buying the lens from Lensrentals. I may be worth delaying my purchase and getting it new. I really like the 25-50mm 1.7, so the 10-25 makes sense to pick up.
youtube reads my mind? The lens and G9 fell into water yesterday and while the camera is as good as before, now there is quite some micro droplets of water/humidity inside of the lens. I have unscrewed the top and hope it to dry out... any tips?
Definitely the first thing to check if you buy used and a good reason to return or get a partial refund! This issue is few and far between these days it sounds like
Damn... there's a super good deal in my city for a G9+ 10-25 for only $2,000 (warranty expired of course) But now I'm worried, not sure if I should get it anymore. When did you buy your copy? I wonder if there was a bad batch or anything.
@@RhettThompsonFilm I'm from Singapore! There's barely any m43 users here so maybe that's why it's going for cheap. The shutter count on the G9 is only around 6000, so it seems like a really good deal.
Professional Potato that’s a tricky one, I would see if you could inspect the lens and see if you notice any signs of it coming loose, even just pinching it with your finger and thumb and going back and forth should do something, if it’s loose at all. After that maybe consider Insuring the lens for a time if possible
@@RhettThompsonFilm Yeah, I would definitely arrange for a meet-up with the seller to check on the condition. Thanks for the tip on getting insurance for it. I'll look into that as well.
Depends. I’m not 100% sure but as long as you’re friend has the receipt you should be covered for some amount of time. I’d look in to getting it insured maybe.
@@RhettThompsonFilm INSURANCE definitely a must. I’ll see if I can’t find the receipt from him. It’s not even a year old yet so I would think it did and I was just wondering if it hasn’t been certified or registered or is it too late to do so, Being only six months old
Thanks Rhett, yikes I hope this isn't an issue across many lenses, I'm just about to get this...! Thanks for your videos though! When did you get the faulty copy? Hope what I get is a new improved copy...! Subscribed by the way :)
Sorry for the late reply! My first copy was in the second wave of lenses to hit the market. I preordered but my copy wasnt in the very first batch so maybe the rushed production on batch number 2 and thats where the problems started? Impossible to say really. Just make sure you have a built in one year warranty at least and you should be good! Well over 9 months later on my second copy is still going strong.
@@RhettThompsonFilm Thanks for the advice Rhett, appreciate it. Yeah I'll keep a watch over it. I'll be getting my 10-25 next week, very excited, like a school kid! I never imagined such a lens on the m4/3 but good on Panasonic for doing so. My Olympus OMD EM1 Mk3 will enjoy being married to it :) Thanks again.
kiwijinxter kiwijinxter i know people that love the olympus bodies with the 10-25! That’s going to be a killer setup. Now we just need a 35-70 f1.7 and I’m staying in MFT for then next 5 years easily!
@@RhettThompsonFilm local retailer, im trying to contact them right now, do you think it's possible to fix it on my own? what happaned with the taken-apart lens from DSRL film noob?
@@AiurMedia possibly. As you can see on some of the photos I used it simply a lack of enough or the right kind of glue that holds the lens together. Obviously I can’t officially recommend this because it may damage the lens but it’s probably possible if I had to guess.
@@RhettThompsonFilm yeah i thought it was possible to just glue it together but i'm afraid of everything coming apart once i unscrew the bottom lol thanks, i'll try to get official help from retailer and panasonic
I should remind you this issue seems exceptionally rare. I’ve only seen maybe two other people have this issue and I believe it was an issue only with the very earliest copies and even then not always. That being said do what you think is best!
@@RhettThompsonFilm That's good to hear, although this is one of the most expensive m43 lenses out there. Nevertheless, I've emailed Panasonic about this issue to try and find out what exactly was changed to mitigate it. Hope for some peace of mind before I commit to this or something else.
@@sybarix Panasonic replaced my copy of this lens or maybe just repaired it? Either way I haven’t had any issues with it since the release of this video and it’s been at least a year or two. If I simply pick up the lens and by the front instead of the back every chance I get. If you buy it used I would be very cautious and check that right away just in case and if you buy it new you can get a 1 to 3 year warranty which would definitely cover it. If it’s too much to consider for you the sigma 18 to 35 is still very good adapted if you don’t need auto focus.
Thanks for this "public service announcement", glad I found it!
I bought my Leica 10-25mm f1.7 in April 2021, and a few weeks back while being just still under warranty, my issue surfaced.
Out of the blue, without any physical knocks, the lens zoom ring seized up just past the 12mm setting.
I did not try to force the zoom, but now having heard your case, I think the seal may be the issue also, jamming the lens inoperable.
I took it back to the retailer a few weeks back, and today was delighted to get an email,
Stating that Panasonic Australia is going to replace the lens!
Happy days 🍷
Thank god you got that sorted out! It might have been a little annoying but getting a new copy is 100% worth it and most new copies dont seem to have any issues.
@@RhettThompsonFilm Amen to that!
Four years later. I bought the 25-50 part of the pair first. It is my best quality lens, and I couldn't love it more. I just today ordered the 10-25. Your video is making me worry! Let's hope after 4 years they've upped their gluing game.
@@neddanison9202 at this point, I probably need to just delete this video lol. In fact, I think I’m going to list it and put it in a playlist so people can find it if they want to
Same issue with a used version from B&H. I returned it and purchased brand new. Fault free with the new lens for 12 months and counting.
Same thing that happened to me. I figured theyd repair it but I got a whole new lens! 0 issues so far and now I just make sure to put it in my bag lens mount down so I dont pick it up by that area that tends to come loose.
At 1st I was thinking of getting one of these lenses to go with my G9 for stills shooting ( it looked like the new G9 II still had some issues to iron out ).I figured I had a good relationship with an in town camera store so I gave them a call, ' No, they did not have a new Leica f/1.7, 10-25mm - in fact they were not going to be offering it in the future - but they had a good conditioned used one for $1200. With the help of your detailed review I've decided not to be in a hurry. I don't want to be saddled with a lens that has construction issues - made in China - that Panasonic will not warranty. Again thank you.
Wow, that sucked! So happy to see you get it replaced. That's there premium MFT lens. Thx
Richard James Milne It’s good to see that it’s very few lenses having this issue.
Mine has come loose, I’m away at the moment but will be taking action when I get back to UK...
It’s good to get on top of it ASAP to prevent further damage so first then when you get back start making calls
Thanks for this PSA. I will skip this lens given the subpar construct despite the very expensive price tag
It’s your call! Besides that issue that only plagues a small % of lenses it’s one of if not my most used lens!
I was about to bid this lens on eBay. But I contacted seller to ask specifically about this issue and he admited that this... (joint, edge, conjunction, seam, or whatever it is called - sorry, but my english vocabluary seems insufficient) is not perfectly tight. He sent me video and it can by seen there that when applying significant tension/streching force, it widens by about 0,5mm. Is it early sign of mentioned problem or is such widening of the gap (OH that is the word!) to be expected in fully functional copy when applying certain amount of force?
I don’t know if that means it would eventually get worse but it’s definitely something to consider. Ask the seller if it is still under warranty and if not maybe try to see if you can get them to lower the price for you
@@RhettThompsonFilm Of course it is not on warranty. If it was I would gladly use it as an excuse to get new copy under warranty. There would be no point in making any further research ;) Also he cannot lower the price as this is bidding with many participants. What I wanted to find out is wether your new copy (that you consider perfectly acceptable) is really tight? Like screw-locked tight. Or maybe there is some movement? I need a perspective of a person who is familiar with this issue.
@@przybylskipawel So my new copy is pretty much perfect. I’m not sure if anything was done differently except maybe they used more glue or the glue just stuck better. Either way it’s been nearly a year and the lens is still solid 100%. That being said I always put the lens mount down in my bag so I’m always picking it up by the front as to not tempt fate too much. If you get one it should stick pretty well and you should have no issues with it but if you do see an issue with it take care of it right away. This might be a lens to consider getting insurance on just in case something ever goes wrong. I hope that answered your question but if not please feel free to ask something else!
@@RhettThompsonFilm This is the best answer you could provide, although to be honest, if you are a person who take such a care handling this lens, you are unlikely to have ever had interacted with it the way this guy had when presenting a condition of his copy. BTW, I had no idea you can have used lens insured...
@@przybylskipawel yeah! If you have a business sometimes you can get it through that and other times your homeowners insurance will even cover it.
I'm renting the 10-25mm 1.7 and am glad I watched this again because I was thinking of buying the lens from Lensrentals. I may be worth delaying my purchase and getting it new. I really like the 25-50mm 1.7, so the 10-25 makes sense to pick up.
@@katesavage2001 perhaps ! Although it’s been a long time since this has been an issue
Hey my love, can you check if the 10-25 shows vignette when you use diffusion + vnd together at 10mm focal length?
I’m sure it would. It has for me in the past but not THAT bad but it’ll depend on your exact filters
I have had 2 of them returned. It is the glue.
Glue! Not screws, glue! Are they crazy? I don't care if it ever loosens up on me or not. This a deal breaker.
youtube reads my mind? The lens and G9 fell into water yesterday and while the camera is as good as before, now there is quite some micro droplets of water/humidity inside of the lens. I have unscrewed the top and hope it to dry out... any tips?
Christian Comes could always go the classic “put it in rice” technique
@@RhettThompsonFilm it seems like dismantling and sun in a rather dry environment did the trick :-) no rice needed
Thank you. This has helped my eBay bidding decisions.
Definitely the first thing to check if you buy used and a good reason to return or get a partial refund! This issue is few and far between these days it sounds like
Damn... there's a super good deal in my city for a G9+ 10-25 for only $2,000 (warranty expired of course)
But now I'm worried, not sure if I should get it anymore.
When did you buy your copy? I wonder if there was a bad batch or anything.
Where are you from?
@@RhettThompsonFilm I'm from Singapore! There's barely any m43 users here so maybe that's why it's going for cheap. The shutter count on the G9 is only around 6000, so it seems like a really good deal.
Professional Potato that’s a tricky one, I would see if you could inspect the lens and see if you notice any signs of it coming loose, even just pinching it with your finger and thumb and going back and forth should do something, if it’s loose at all. After that maybe consider Insuring the lens for a time if possible
@@RhettThompsonFilm Yeah, I would definitely arrange for a meet-up with the seller to check on the condition. Thanks for the tip on getting insurance for it. I'll look into that as well.
Professional Potato even if it’s the only thing you insure it might be worth it for something that’s 1800 new
Grid connected with solar? Looks like a Fronius inverter. Where are you located (in the US I presume)?
Thanks for the heads up on the lens!
KevinPuumala solar panel indeed! Gotta be prepared right? And yeah Midwest USA.
Just got this lens this weekend and I got a 3 year third party warranty that includes damage/accidents just to be safe.
Cory I think you did the right thing. It’s super scary to think about this lens getting broken without a warranty or insurance!
oof i had my sigma 17-50 f2.8(used) loosen at the exact same spot returned it
Have the same Problem with the lens
Bought mine from a friend. Can 3rd party warranty be bought for purchases like this?
Depends. I’m not 100% sure but as long as you’re friend has the receipt you should be covered for some amount of time. I’d look in to getting it insured maybe.
@@RhettThompsonFilm INSURANCE definitely a must. I’ll see if I can’t find the receipt from him. It’s not even a year old yet so I would think it did and I was just wondering if it hasn’t been certified or registered or is it too late to do so, Being only six months old
A lens this expensive shouldn't have such issues.
It’s an incredibly rare occurrence now actually!
Thanks Rhett, yikes I hope this isn't an issue across many lenses, I'm just about to get this...! Thanks for your videos though! When did you get the faulty copy? Hope what I get is a new improved copy...! Subscribed by the way :)
Sorry for the late reply! My first copy was in the second wave of lenses to hit the market. I preordered but my copy wasnt in the very first batch so maybe the rushed production on batch number 2 and thats where the problems started? Impossible to say really. Just make sure you have a built in one year warranty at least and you should be good! Well over 9 months later on my second copy is still going strong.
@@RhettThompsonFilm Thanks for the advice Rhett, appreciate it. Yeah I'll keep a watch over it. I'll be getting my 10-25 next week, very excited, like a school kid! I never imagined such a lens on the m4/3 but good on Panasonic for doing so. My Olympus OMD EM1 Mk3 will enjoy being married to it :) Thanks again.
kiwijinxter kiwijinxter i know people that love the olympus bodies with the 10-25! That’s going to be a killer setup. Now we just need a 35-70 f1.7 and I’m staying in MFT for then next 5 years easily!
@@RhettThompsonFilm I hear you mate, I hear you :)
I do not advise to buy this lens, I broke down in the same place as the video during the filming!
I haven’t seen newer versions of this lens having this issue
Much appreciated!
Still a great lens but for sure something to think about and watch out for if you own it!
My lens had the same problem. I've returned it to the seller.
just got my copy and same issue lol i bought it brand new
Where did you buy it from
@@RhettThompsonFilm local retailer, im trying to contact them right now, do you think it's possible to fix it on my own? what happaned with the taken-apart lens from DSRL film noob?
@@AiurMedia possibly. As you can see on some of the photos I used it simply a lack of enough or the right kind of glue that holds the lens together. Obviously I can’t officially recommend this because it may damage the lens but it’s probably possible if I had to guess.
@@RhettThompsonFilm yeah i thought it was possible to just glue it together but i'm afraid of everything coming apart once i unscrew the bottom lol thanks, i'll try to get official help from retailer and panasonic
@@RhettThompsonFilm they are getting my a replacement, hopefully the new lens will be a good copy, we'll see next week
duuuuude zongyi just dropped a 17mm .95!!!!
A1Bokeh oooo send me a link
Thanks Rhett
People gotta know the truth! As much as I love this lens its still got flaws.
Thanks for bringing this to light. A dealbreaker for me unfortunately.
I should remind you this issue seems exceptionally rare. I’ve only seen maybe two other people have this issue and I believe it was an issue only with the very earliest copies and even then not always. That being said do what you think is best!
@@RhettThompsonFilm That's good to hear, although this is one of the most expensive m43 lenses out there. Nevertheless, I've emailed Panasonic about this issue to try and find out what exactly was changed to mitigate it. Hope for some peace of mind before I commit to this or something else.
@@sybarix Panasonic replaced my copy of this lens or maybe just repaired it? Either way I haven’t had any issues with it since the release of this video and it’s been at least a year or two. If I simply pick up the lens and by the front instead of the back every chance I get. If you buy it used I would be very cautious and check that right away just in case and if you buy it new you can get a 1 to 3 year warranty which would definitely cover it. If it’s too much to consider for you the sigma 18 to 35 is still very good adapted if you don’t need auto focus.
@@RhettThompsonFilm Good advice, cheers mate.
@@sybarix I try! At the end of the day it’s your decision! If you have any other questions feel free to comment or email me
What crap