The Idolatry of the Catholic Church
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2024
- Catholics are accused of idolatry all of the time. Most of the time it's absolutely ridiculous. But not all of the time.
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The devil can be very tricky. Even if we are the kind of Catholic who prays the rosary every day, receives on the tongue, and confesses our sins regularly, Satan can tempt us to be proud of that as though we are better than other Catholics.
💯💯💯💯💯❤️... and in most cases we mayn't be betterment either
Yes
Idolatry or "idol worship" can be ANYTHING that replaces God!
It could be drugs, constantly viewing pornography, gossip, love of money, putting too much time on your cellphone, workaholic, habitual lying, adultery, egoism, "bible worship", compulsive gambling, smoking cigarettes...
You then become a slave to that "idol" whether you realize it or not!
Exactly.
@@chasingcloudz Not really, it is about the place we give these things in our lives. Do we use things in the service of God, with thanksgiving, or are our lives controlled by them. Who or what directs us, who or what provides our compass in life.
i think even study or work can also become an idol, if a person puts evrything in their lives just for it.
again, it's all a vehicle
@@chasingcloudz you can have a car but you are not supposed to make your car the centre of your life
@@chasingcloudz no! It's about making it your "god" in your life. Does it control you? The vice? The sin?
If viewing pornography has control on you then that's your "idol", or drugs, adultery, stealing, compulsive gambling...
I like that “don’t worship the worship,worship god.”
Who does that? Ask any trad about the liturgy, and they will say the NO has problems that fail to bring closer to God, not that the liturgy is the end in itself. This is such a strawman by this dishonest friar.
As a matter of fact, go ask liberal catholics if racial or social justice takes precedence over the first commandment, and then you'll have a real life example of idolatry. But of course you won't hear that from Casey.
The triggering over what one person believes when it comes to worshiping the almighty lord that is our god amazes me. I worship the Father the Son and Holy Spirit. The fact that someone gets looney tunes on what one thinks is truly pathetic. The internet has proven that people act like 5 yr olds, and refuse to hear other people out.
Andres Arpi Love God and Love neighbor ❤️🙏🌹
@@daddada2984 The Catholic Church has a saying LEX ORANDI LEX CREDENDI the way we worship shows what we believe. therefore many of the wreckovations of our churches indicated there was a change in belief. Destroying altars and putting tables in their place indicates a disbelief in the Mass as a sacrifice. Stripping the church of all icons and images is the heresy of iconoclasm. There are an abundant number of traditional and conservative books that explain these matters. Having clown masses, loony liturgies, polka masses etc. destroys the sanctity of the liturgy. The Eastern Orthodox are quite commendable. The liturgy, sacrifices, priesthood and structure of the worship in the old testament prefigured not only Christ but also the divine liturgy of the Church.
@@daddada2984 The biggest fanatics i have ever met are Fundamentalist christians who attack anyone who does not believe like they do. If you want to see hatred just watch Pastor Steven Anderson in his mad rages or street preacher Ruben Israel. You fundamentalists also attack each other.
I’m Pentecostal, specifically COGIC. I am learning so much from your channel about the Catholic faith, not as a convert just a curious viewer. I love these videos ❤️
Careful, do not tread into Catholic territory. They are idolatrous pagan worshippers who love Mary more than God.
How are things going - have moved towards the RCC or not? Kind regards from a curious convert from Pentecostal to Catholicism
@@mortensimonsen1645 RIDICULOUS
I used to go to pentecostal. Jesus revealed to me the RCC
What does RCC stand for?
Father Casey, as an older Catholic revert, your videos have helped to rekindle a love for Jesus and a need for his guidance in my life (wish I had done this many years ago)...bless you in your helpful teaching and may God bless all the viewers watching.
So encouraging to hear! Thanks!
@@BreakingInTheHabit When people thank you like this, the devil stops laying traps and snares for you. He upgrades to landmines. God help you Father.
@@BreakingInTheHabit “I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. You shall not have other gods beside me. You shall not make for yourself an idol or a likeness *of anything* in the heavens above or on the earth below or in the waters beneath the earth; you shall not bow down before them or serve them” (Deuteronomy 5:6-9).
*Of anything*, there are no ( excepts here, none )
Below is an answer from a priest, (quite humorous actually)
A similar passage to this can be found in Leviticus. In many other places in the Old Testament, the Lord chides Israel for bowing down or kneeling before idols in order to worship them.
The posture of bowing can be used in at least two different ways. Bowing can be used as an expression of greeting, as in places like Japan. *( but we are not in Japan are we)* Like the handshake, it also signifies friendship and respect. In contrast to this practice, when one bows to God, one offers worship to Him. When a Catholic bows to a statue, he or she is expressing friendship and respect with the person the image depicted *( Oh OK )* and not worshiping it as one might bow toward the Blessed Sacrament.
“For this reason I kneel before the Father” (Ephesians 3:14). Here, St. Paul depicts the only one who we should kneel before in worship: the Father. Yet kneeling is also used as a posture of deep prayer. Many times in Scripture, Jesus kneels in prayer. We imitate this practice by kneeling in prayer as well.
When we do so, however, we may kneel with a rosary, with a prayer book or with a Bible. These items we use help us to pray better by focusing our prayer.
Similarly, Catholics kneel before images to help focus their minds and hearts on God as they are praying. *( if you say so )*
Some people have the custom of reverencing, or kissing, a statue. This sign of reverence is ultimately a sign of emotion and reverence that the person is directing toward God. *( oh, right )* It may also be a sign of friendship when one reverences a statue of a saint.
Well said need him forever!!!!
⚠️Why this religion will lead you to HELL. ⚠️
The whole basis of the damnable Catholic teaching on asking Mary to pray for us is that she is very precious to God. No one has special privileges with God. Catholics believe that Jesus was some mamas boy. Whatever Mary wants , Mary gets. Its honestly disgusting , even lutherans as well with catholics believe that God could not come to earth incarnate without obtaining Mary's permission first. That is complete BLASPHMEY!
It is honestly interesting that the "blessed virgin" of Catholicism is also call the "Queen of Heaven" by the Catholic Church itself ? Jesus said , "Ye worship ye know not what..." (John 4:22). Catholics have no clue or idea who they are worshipping, they claim to worship "God" , while idolizing Mary in every shape and form. Mary is literally praised over 2,226 words in the rosary and how many times do y'all do the rosary? Thats straight BLASPHEMY ! God clearly said "He would NOT share his glory with another...." Isaiah 42:8
Catholic priest are spiritual frauds, all of them. It is so gross their theological negligence for both Lutheran minister and Catholic priest to claim the power to absolve someone else's sins. They can't even forgive their own sins. Religion wants to keep us in a box, but the Lord wants us to open our eyes. Satan uses religion , the lies from all around the world to blind people from the glorious gospel ( 2 Cor 4:3-4).
I truly pray that you won't continue to be one of satans victims, I pray that nobody will truly. I don't write these things, I do not go out and street evangelize these things to be hateful or unkind, God knows that. I have no hatred in my heart, God knows. Life is just too short to live with hatred. However, I hate evil, which is what we are commanded to do as a Christian, (Psalms 97:10), "Ye that love the LORD, hate evil; : he preserverth the souls of his saint; he delivered them out of the hand of the wicked."
May God bless you and open yours and everyone else's eyes to the truth, Amen.
Great one, don't create an image of God that hates all the same things you do. As St. Augustine once said: "Far be it from me ohh Lord, to think that You think like I think...".
Convenient, no ?
@KM Márquez Except when he's jealous and vengeful? ... ordering babies dashed against rocks or has whole communities destroyed along with their cattle? Orders females to be taken forcefully as the conquests of war? floods planets to drown every man, woman and animal within...
... tolerates, even encourages, slavery?
How about when he engineers the eternal torture and damnation of Pharoah? A man who he first sent word to, purportedly to save him, but then hardens his heart and binds/deafens him to the word to ensure he reject the word once given... and thus, engineers both aspects of his damnation.
And, if just one man is thrown to the pit... is God not responsible for infinite pain and suffering ?
How about this planet itself, with all things preying on all others. If you could feel the pain inflicted on this planet... the sheer agony felt in nature, in every instant, you'd not call this creation glorious. Everything eats everything else, alive! ... it's a barbaric machinery. A perpetuum of agony.
But, it'll all be fine in heaven, right?
How about when he declares that the screams of anguish and the stench of charred flesh emanating from the pit are "among the delights of heaven"? To be enjoyed by the faithful as they prostrate themselves at His feet for all eternity? Really?
Sounds like Satan to me.
Doesn't God repent in the bible? repeatedly? Before finally announcing that he's tired of repenting? Want to know about the capability of God to forgive... check out revelation. Check out the lake of fire. He could snap his fingers and all the bad people could painlessly cease to exist... but no, there must be vengeance. There must be pain beyond enduring.
Humans almost entirely agree that a bad dog should be put to sleep as painlessly as possible, even if it has killed a relative. We do not inflict endless suffering upon it... and it's puppies... and it's puppies puppies... for all eternity. We do not wish to burn off it's skin perpetually in order to cause infinite agony.
No, this is Gods love. The love of a blood drenched psychopath!
... oh yes, God doesn't think as I do. That's for sure.
Wonder how I dare sit in judgement of the O.T. God? Easy... Apparently I have the knowledge of Good and Evil seared into my heart. I know right from wrong ... this is my supposed flaw and also my qualification. My heart is a barometer, and it wholly condemns the actions of the God of the O.T. as vile and despicable.
_"For I am a jealous and vengeful God"_ - God
You worship the name "The Lord" the false name. True Name of God is written in the tetragrammaton with 4 letters "YHVH" (Psalm 83:18)
@@kamilkaminski3450 Huh? Oh shut up idiot.
_"The Lord"_ isn't a name - it's a title..... as is _"The Creator",_ _"The Saviour"_ or _"The Most High"_ etc...
The bible is FULL of titles for God. Jesus used titles for God. The disciples used titles for God. Even God himself uses titles to declare himself to others.
When it takes me... an atheist... to explain biblical contexts to theists, something is seriously wrong.
The truth is : YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE MIND OF GOD ... And pretending that you do, pretending that you know better than others, is one of the very sins your bible warns you about. No?
So, get humble - or shut up. Silly man.
It's not for you to tell people how to address their God. You're interposing yourself as an authority. People that do that are usually complete idiots with a serious superiority complex... and are 99% of the problem the world has with theocrats.
@@garychap8384 Except when he's jealous and vengeful? No, *even when* He is jealous and vengeful, He and his love are infinite. Idolatry is no joke, worshiping false gods is no joke. EVIL is no joke. It's pretty arrogant to think that you're somehow in position to render judgement upon the almighty, the Creator of the Universe, the one whose infinite love and continued mercy your own sinful life fully depends upon. I suggest having a little humility when talking about the subject in the future, you have absolutely no idea what you're condemning in your speech, and trust me, when you begin to understand what He has suffered for you, you WILL regret that flippant and arrogant attitude of yours. Obviously, you being an Atheist you don't believe in Him, but that doesn't make Him any less real, HE doesn't need your faith, YOU DO.
Father Casey, I just wanted to let you know that your way of explaining things, you homilies, your deep and compassionate way of communicating the Love of Christ and His Teachings....it hasn't just enabled me to deal with losing my leg two years ago. It has led me back to the Faith, it has led me back to Him whom I love more than I can ever express. I even made a vow dedicating myself to God, to do good and love my brothers and sisters in his name. For that I want to thank you. Is it strange that your videos and the movie King of Kings (1961, Jeffrey Hunter portraying Christ as closely to Perfection as a human being can in my opinion) have rekindled my faith? I just....wanted to tell you that. You are doing so much good, giving succour to souls in torment, like mine. Thank you, Father Casey, and God Bless you!!
Thank you for sharing a bit of your story too!! So encouraging as my son uses a wheelchair since 3 years old & will be inspired by you too!!❤🙏
Thanks so much for your comment. Very edifying to hear such things. Know of my prayers for you today.
Persephone's Underworld The King of kings? What happened to the movie Jesus of Nazareth made in the 70s? I grew up on that movie!
@@jeannestark6293 Oh I love that mini series too ofc! It's just...KoK has not only Jeffrey Hunter as our Lord (His voice, his eyes, the way he speaks and just glows with compassion) but also the sublime score by Miklos Rozsa....when I was a child I thought that chorus were literal angels singing. Idk if I'm making sense but it's a mix of nostalgia and sheer awe that makes KoK my fave portrayal of our Saviour.
@@BreakingInTheHabit Thank you, Father Casey, that means a lot. I will also keep you in my prayers, if you permit it. God's Blessings upon you!!
I've been a priest for 40 years and I am amazed that a man as young as you, Fr Casey, is so wise and eloquent. May God's blessings, his grace, continue to be showered on you.
I don’t know man, the statue worship seems a little bit of a stretch. Didn’t God himself lay out the blueprint for the tabernacle? And wouldn’t the use of statues and temple worship be useless due to the fact that Jesus died for our sins and broke the old covenant?
@@jaredbahr7793
God forbid the heathens of making and worshipping pagan images. God also commanded Sacred Images be made of pure materials for His Altar and Ark. God knows we do not idolize Sacred Images as they are not idols. They are used to remind us of the ones they represent. Catholics worship God alone.
Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”
Mark 2:27-28
The Sabbath is Saturday, not Sunday.
@The Lesser Confessor The sabbath is one of the ten commandments. Thus, it is binding on all humanity just like "thou shalt not kill" etc
Colossians 2:16
@@FreedomsNurse in the bible didn't say Saturday is the Sabbath, Sunday is the Resurrection of Jesus, remember Jesus said, the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath, Sunday for me is the Sabbath for me, Psalms 118:22 - 23 This was done by the Lord, what a wonderful sight it is! 24 This is the day of the Lord's victory, let us be happy, let us celebrate!
Jesus came to fulfill the law not get rid of it so sabbath is the law of God and yes Bible does say the sabbath is Saturday Catholics try to lie to sneak their pagan church doctrine in real followers of Christ will not be fooled. Remember it’s all in the Bible only and Catholic Church has a second Bible that is plain heresy now your religion is your own business and i pointed you to the right direction of you care to follow it is up to you and if you pick the wrong road we’ll your eternal soul is at stake.
I applaud your efforts, especially considering how much vitriol you must end up getting.
Sometimes I think the last people I want to talk about Christianity with is fellow Christians.
As a young artist who loves painting images of Jesus and the saints not only as a hobby but to aid me in my understanding of my faith and worship, I've always wondered whether what I'm doing is idolatry. Looking it up only led me to many frustrating arguments between Protestants & Catholics but no clear answers. Thank you, Fr Casey, for answering my questions and teaching that I should approach my art without limiting my view of God to the images I create. I will now remember His nature expands worlds beyond my paintbrush and canvas. ❤️
A good hobby......the Orthodox church also has a great appreciation for the type of icons that you create, their churches are full of them wall to wall....don't be discouraged....keep painting.....there is a market for that type of art, especially among Catholics and the Orthodox. You may find inspiration by viewing Orthodox Icons on youtube and the internet.
@@cheechak481 Thank you so much...your comment is very encouraging. I will definitely do some more research into Orthodox icons ☺️
Now, I was a protestant growing up, I wasn't told that trans-substantiation was idolatrous, just an incorrect interpretation of scripture, the Eucharist we had was a representation of the last supper, a reminder of our covenant.
It's not taught to all Protestants that way :) But it would be a logical consequence that if the Eucharist isn't God, and Catholics and Orthodox worship it, then it would be unintentional idolatry. I think that's part of what he meant.
Extremely controversial topic dealed in a beautiful manner . fascinated to hear your knowledgeable words
Yet a lot of people have no idea what the priests are saying in front of the altar, and there are still some churches occasionally hold extraordinary form. The thing is still there but people just try to ignore it.
Super confusing video!
He probably reads from a banner placed next to the camera,but also this is true-controversial topic dealed in a beautiful manner
I clicked on this video thinking it was a second video similar to your "Does the Catholic Church practice Idolatry" video, I was wrong, but SO not disappointed.
A Bretonnian Man-at-Arms
Hey, I remember you from the overly sarcastic productions comment section.
@@allthenewsordeath5772 Greetings, which video if I may ask? If you remember specifics because I comment there frequently
A Bretonnian Man-at-Arms
I think the one about Irish mythology.
@@allthenewsordeath5772 Oh yeah, definitely that was me. I love OSP but they rarely give the Church much credit.
A Bretonnian Man-at-Arms
It makes sense though, both blue and red seem like the lukewarm secularist types.
And frankly I don’t mind that all that much, so long as they keep informing us of tropes, domes, and historical shenaniganry.
This is so good. It’s so real and deep and completely without any sugar coating. This is kind of discussion of faith I yearn for.
I'm not Catholic, but I love learning from videos like these that can apply to anyone who believes in God. These are definitely some things to watch out for. I've been guilty of containing God a bit, but more in the sense that I needed more faith to believe He can do more than I thought He could.
Could the claim also be made that Protestant worship is idolatry because they worship the emotion they receive?
Protestants idolize their pastor and the pastor the $
joseph jackson A bit harsh. Anglican, Episcopalian, Lutheran etc have Liturgy similar to Catholics. Only God can judge the heart. Blessings
I have seen it in several denominations and I think Holy Spirit is truly speaking through this young priest to all Christians. It doesn't matter what we are putting before God, the emotional highs of Charismatic worship or Legalistic Liturgy it is limiting God to our faulty notion s.
I often tougth that in my brief time in a baptist congeration. It was all about pysching eachother up into a frenzy with no preaching and lots of middling guitar music. How would i even know that i was supposed to worship Jesus had i not already learned about christianity?
Hahaha worship the emotion? Yikes
Liturgy wasn't made by human; or at least not only by human. It was the work of the Holy Spirit who worked through Saints, Popes, and Councils. It's not man made. As you said, we can idol only man made, so the Liturgy can't be an idol. It's true that when a priest make a mistake (or liturgical abuse) during Mass, we should concentrate on the Holy Sacrifice itself. But the abuses are actually sometimes hiding for a lot of people from what's really happening. I'm not one who ask to "which mass" are you going; but i know that abuses can lead someone to leave the Church because they forgot what was really happening at the Mass, they no longer saw the sacrifice because of the abuses.
I think Liturgy, in the Roman rite can be beautiful in both of its forms. But the phenomenon that we encounter the most in our Church is lack of interest in the Mass and in the Liturgy, not the contrary.
For the interested see Bishop Barron's video named "Bishop Barron on Why Being Good Is Not Enough", in which he is telling why Liturgy is so important. And thus, as Christians, we should be taking care of it, not destroying it by our 'creative' ideas that have nothing to do with Mass. The Liturgy is God's work through his Church, liturgical abuses often reveal either the selfishness of those who prepare the Liturgy and who think they know better than the Church or the lack of interest in the Liturgy.
I do agree with this position. Indeed care for the Liturgy can slip into love for aesthetics\forms and the like which is wrong; but at its core is, I think, that sensitivity to want to offer the best to God and to follow what the Church has handed down, laid out, on how to celebrate properly and simply. I don’t think cringing or being upset because of a -at least outwardly- sloppily celebrated liturgy is idolatry, rather a desire for things to be done better as we know they can and should. This from then becoming aggressive, rude and divisive is, of course, a very different story.
Only the elect recognize the Saving Sacrifice, through the Holy Spirit, which lies not in some magical words or historical aesthetics, neither ideological politics, but in the loving laying down of one's life for one's enemies. The real meaning of piety is Filiation, which means having the same feelings of Jesus, that is, of The Father, who suffers the vanity of His sons in order not to lose them forever.
"Understand the meaning of these words: I desire Mercy, not sacrifice."
Traditionalist motto is precisely the opposite: (Been there, daily TLM for three years)
"I want Sacrifice, not Mercy"
I thank God that the Sacred Keys are not in the hands of those who believe in the sacrifice of goats, as claiming for the blood of sinners, instead of The Free Offering of the Lamb, the Only Capable of Cleansing us.
Anyway read the Gospel of today.
I couldn't have said it better, Tom. Your message is very well written, and I especially like to see your reference to Bishop Barron's recent video, which was educational and inspirational in addressing the situation. I especially agree with you on how abuses in the liturgy "often reveal either the selfishness of those who prepare the Liturgy and who think they know better than the Church or the lack of interest in the Liturgy." I find this to be a serious and common fault among the lay ministers who I've witnessed strip power from the pastors themselves. God bless your devotion!
And for the record, I attend holy mass in the Extraordinary Form (sung high mass) on Sundays, and the Ordinary Form every day of the week. Therefore, I don't hold one form of the liturgy in absolute higher esteem over the other. But honestly, the parish I attend, run by the Norbertines, celebrates the ordinary form with utmost reverence. The organ is the only choral instrument, and Gregorian Chant still has its place in the liturgy. I imagine this is how V2 intended the reform of the mass, because there is no doubt that liturgical abuses exist as a bad implementation of V2 (Yes, I've read the documents).
@@deussacracommunioest2108 In Matthew 9:13 when Jesus speaks of mercy here he is speaking of having mercy on the sinners and tax collectors. These are the people that the Pharisees considered unclean and untouchable because of the Mosaic Law. The sacrifice Jesus does not want is when the Mosaic Law gets in the way of a person reaching out to the sick or the poor with divine mercy.
That being said, I know no person who lets their love of the Extraordinary Form (Except maybe the SSPX, which aren't in communion, so they don't count) stop them from reaching out to people in need.
Twitter is not an accurate interpretation of those who go to the TLM. If you go to a Latin Mass, people will be glad to see you and are very helpful. I go to an Ordinary Form Parish, and I have to say when I go away to a Latin Mass Parish, they love me coming and are willing to show me what to do. They don't worship the Liturgy (At least not of what I know of).
The Ordinary Form and Extraordinary Form are from the same Rite. They are just different. I pray that the Vatican can find a Liturgy Form that all Catholics will be called to practice. Until then, we are allowed to Practice our preferred Forms.
I refuse to call it anything other than "old rite". Even those in supposed communion with the Church hardly even commemorate the Saints with Her, they use their own calendar. We may as well call them "old calendarists". Also their priests demand an obedience from their folk that they themselves don't pay to their Bishops, by ignoring the Holy Spirit of the Council and the Legitimate Pastors and Saints from the Church. They believe they are the hermetic criteria of orthodoxy just like a gnostic sect. Everything points out to what is written "They don't find Salvation and keep others from finding it". For Salvation is in Mercy.
As "Roman Orthodox" can be misleading since they are not so "ex-cathedra", I stay with "old rite calendarists" as the most euphemic.
~Fam, tbh~, I have been very inside the movement, don't come to me with "it's just a rite". Everyone knows it's an entire jansenist ideological conspiracy. They are all for the constant blood shed, promoting the beauty of death penalty and pride of violent war and a terrorist society of the strong, here understood as cruel. In fact, they are also like the jihadists. All their hatred and violence is identical to the jews who got scandalized with the Cross. They want to crucify everyone, even The Pope, just in order to fool themselves that they don't need to enter the mystery of the Passion to follow Jesus Christ.
Yes we do hate those old people who sing their weakness and incontinence to our sacred ears; we do hate the poor who are so lazy, ignorant and brute, who behave like beasts and know not how to behave properly.
But God loves them, and He loves them deeply. In fact, He Raises from His Throne and inclines His Ears to hear their cries. The Lord of Heavens tears His Son's Body outraged.
Who are these who take His Holy Name in vain? Against the foreigner, the orphan and the widow?
The Lord Has already begun His Justice, to those who seek not Mercy but Justice. He destroys the proud with lust, and the impious offspring with a sevenfold impiety, because they seek not Mercy.
The feminists and the communists will precede them, for when the time come they may seek Mercy from their many wounds. But those who are justified in their own eyes seek not God, as those who sacrifice their neighboor.
I say this because as I have defended impiety and persecuted Christ, I am now called to defend His Holy Name and His Holy Church, in His Holy See.
"Love your neighbor as you love yourself" is so simple a request, but we make it so hard on ourselves to follow through, even when we want to.
I've been thinking about this for weeks, what a glessing it was to find out you'd uploaded a video discussing this topic. Thank you for always making it to simple yet clear. 💕
Thanks for this reflection. I hadn't thought of these forms of idolatry; I wondered if I have ever made this mistake. I have also noticed that (at least in Italy, where I live) there are often forms of idolatry towards the saints. I premise: I love the saints, (I was at the beatification of Carlo Acutis, I love St. Francis and many other saints, I also pray novenas etc.) but I happened to attend the feast of some patron saint and I realized that it was very close to falling into idolatry. I know that this is not always the case, that our Church does not teach this. It can happen even to the most bona fide people to place so much trust in the saints, and to love them so much, that one comes close to idolatry. I would love it if you made a video on this topic! Thanks again for everything you do, you are very good at making things understood!
⚠️Why this religion will lead you to HELL. ⚠️
The whole basis of the damnable Catholic teaching on asking Mary to pray for us is that she is very precious to God. No one has special privileges with God. Catholics believe that Jesus was some mamas boy. Whatever Mary wants , Mary gets. Its honestly disgusting , even lutherans as well with catholics believe that God could not come to earth incarnate without obtaining Mary's permission first. That is complete BLASPHMEY!
It is honestly interesting that the "blessed virgin" of Catholicism is also call the "Queen of Heaven" by the Catholic Church itself ? Jesus said , "Ye worship ye know not what..." (John 4:22). Catholics have no clue or idea who they are worshipping, they claim to worship "God" , while idolizing Mary in every shape and form. Mary is literally praised over 2,226 words in the rosary and how many times do y'all do the rosary? Thats straight BLASPHEMY ! God clearly said "He would NOT share his glory with another...." Isaiah 42:8
Catholic priest are spiritual frauds, all of them. It is so gross their theological negligence for both Lutheran minister and Catholic priest to claim the power to absolve someone else's sins. They can't even forgive their own sins. Religion wants to keep us in a box, but the Lord wants us to open our eyes. Satan uses religion , the lies from all around the world to blind people from the glorious gospel ( 2 Cor 4:3-4).
I truly pray that you won't continue to be one of satans victims, I pray that nobody will truly. I don't write these things, I do not go out and street evangelize these things to be hateful or unkind, God knows that. I have no hatred in my heart, God knows. Life is just too short to live with hatred. However, I hate evil, which is what we are commanded to do as a Christian, (Psalms 97:10), "Ye that love the LORD, hate evil; : he preserverth the souls of his saint; he delivered them out of the hand of the wicked."
May God bless you and open yours and everyone else's eyes to the truth, Amen.
@@mrsvaldez Hello There, I Will Support You Claim, Last Time I Pass by a Catholic Church and I saw a Marry Statue in center of the altar, And I Ask my self where's Jesus?, This church are build for God, and His Son Jesus, Even They put Jesus Statues, It is still wrong, Bible said God Is Spirit so pray in Spirit...
@@mrautomobili5269 Amen
@@mrsvaldez can u show me proof?
@@mrautomobili5269 the church IS Jesus
Have you heard the story of Catalina? She was at Mass one day and then Mary and Jesus talked to her and explained the mass to her. She saw incredible things during the mass as a result. It’s a beautiful story and that’s why I adore mass so much and am so thankful for such an amazing gift from God.
There is no such story in the Bible.
@@strangeroamer3219 :
I don't recall that anyone claimed that there was such a story in the Bible.
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The story of Saints takes place after Jesus’s sacrifice so I don’t think you’ll find them in the Bible…
As they take place after its conception.
That’s sus
Thank you for approaching this topic without polarizing either side of the divide (which I really wish didn't exist in the first place). It's disappointing to see Catholics dismiss/tear down each other _just because_ of a difference in liturgical preference.
Sounds like a tradition vs Tradition video, and I am all for it!
I see what you mean about the Eucharist. I kneel before it because it IS God, coming to feed me along my journey (wow). But that isn’t all God is. God gives his grace in the sacraments plus however else He chooses too. We are bound to his “plan A” but He isn’t. He’s bigger.
Thank you for sharing this. Very good.
First of all, I really appreciate your work and I am really glad to see how your YT Channel has evolved and to see that you have so much followers ! :)
I think most of people fear of what's going on in our Church and this hasn't to do with traditionalism/idolatry (even if I clearly understand your point and I do agree with lot of your ideas). We see more and more bad things and world's tendancies/revendications in the Church (e.g. LGBTQ+ ideas, relativism, willingness to validate homosexual mariage, big decrease of evangelisation). I'm 32, a French converted Catholic for 3 years and I am not against Pope Francis, but I do not understand some of his positions/declarations... I think, he is dividing the Church...
Finally, I trully think Vatican 2 was a good council, but the "boomers", all people from the 68's have desacrilisied lot of things and have damaged our Church with their way of thinking and acting in the Church (both laics and religious). They are not following Vatican 2 texts and rules... And they want to continue to change everything even if their way of thinking is not working at all, I mean in term of people attending to Mass, numbers of catholics decreasing...
Hope to see my generation and next generation stop this excesive progressism and go back to basics and true Christian ways of thinking versus the world bad ideas.
I love my Catholic brothers and sisters in the faith and found this beautiful message, thank you. Grace and peace.
“Traditionalists worship the liturgy”
Now that’s one I’ve never heard before
I never said the word traditionalists.
That said, it's a fairly common idea. I didn't come up with these observations alone, but much has been written about the idolatry of the liturgy.
@@BreakingInTheHabit Yeah, it's a thing you can see on both sides. (Probably the best example being the SSPX on the trad side) but, I agree. Some people can worship the Ordinary Form as well.
Hopefully, the Chruch and her bishops will be able to clear this mess up during a Council further down the road.
You can be a Traditionalist just because you like TLM better, without worshipping it and using the ordinary mass as a scapegoat for everything. It's indeed the only healthy way to be a Traditionalist.
@@marcokite I never said that. I kneel and get communion on the tongue. I said that people can be rationalized to believe the way they do it is the only true way. The Vatican has stated both the ordinary and extraordinary forms are valid. Yet people might fall into error when they deny the validity or say a form is superior to the other.
I feel like this is aimed at people who think the Latin Mass is right and should be the only form of Mass...
True, but also all the scrupulous people who commit to elaborate, prayerful devotions, but with lukewarm or cold hearts for God and neighbor. And there are "OF hypocrites" too. We need the Mass, devotional prayer, and music, but with our eyes set on the loving and just Lord.
It's also those people who would insist on modern music, he's done well to get to the root issue which really cuts both ways
The Roman rite and any other of the pre-modern rites are valid, this includes the Byzantine rite for example. The NO Catholics have a sincere hatred for tradition and anything their forefathers built. They try to bridge the gap of ancient church dogma with modernity, despite there being no possible compromise.
Joseph:
You are so right!
Titus Flavius Vespasian and you would be one of those this video is aimed at. To say other Catholics have a hatred for their own tradition is skeptical at best, and being as an enemy at worst. Don’t assume that others hate their own faith because of choices they’ve made. Instead, pray for them and offer encouragement to those who do seem to lose the spirit and reality of the Mass.
Thank you for this. I am researching Catholicism and this really helped.
“The human heart is a perpetual factory of idols.” -John Calvin
My hometown church in Texas is run by a religious order. I've always loved the Masses celebrated by the priests of this order. These priests have always emphasized the need to show utmost respect to the Holy Eucharist. A lot of reverence is shown to the Blessed Sacrament, which Catholics are supposed to believe is the REAL presence of Christ. This reverence takes the form of genuflecting, kneeling, etc. Due to a career assignment, I now live on the East Coast in a Middle Atlantic state. In my new parish, I am surprised at the LACK of reverence shown to the Blessed Sacrament. Few people in this parish genuflect before seating themselves, there are no kneelers, and most people receive the Blessed Sacrament in the hand instead of on the tongue. Nothing is ever said by the diocesan priest(s) on the proper etiquette toward Jesus in the Eucharist. Yes, it BOTHERS me to see such a LAX attitude. I'm definitely "a foreigner" in this part of the country, as it's an entirely other culture! Thankfully, I won't have to live here forever.
I agree with your view on the LACK of reverence shown in MANY (if not almost all) churches. Truthfully the lack of reverence SHOULD bother us. It most certainly does NOT make us an idol worshiper. His point “Don’t worship the worship” ; I don’t think we are worshiping the worship we are simply not sitting quietly while seeing our way of worship become watered down into a completely different religion. It’s hard to ignore something like that. In truth I feel closer to God when I am able to make the distinction between a house of God full of LOVE & RESPECT & REVERENCE, and a house of God that will soon become a Protestant run church. Things changing quite fast and I don’t think ignorance or passivity could help the matter by any means.
This lack of respect is a direct byproduct of Vatican II.
I really like the new direction/topics at your channel! Thank you for being brave enough to talk about this difficult topics!
Thanks for posting these videos. It makes learning more about my faith easier, and gives me stuff to think on.
Another example of idolatry in the Catholic Church is the abuse scandal. The bishops who covered up the abuse to protect the institutional church made an idol of the church.
another example is money
@@Rene-uj5vw If we are going to bring in money as an idol, I can safely say 99% of mankind who depend on money as a batter tool to survive are guilty of idolising money.
@@patthompson8591 That's not what he meant and you know it.
The worst scandals are in the protestant cults
Worshiping the Liturgy 🤯 wooaah!
Michael Verde yup he said it and I agree. A lot of "traditionalists" worship the liturgy than actually worship through the liturgy.
@@chadantamoroso8243 True
@@chadantamoroso8243 Well, i don't agree. I'm not a "traditionalist" but a lot of people that are 'taking care' of the Liturgy are doing it because of Love for their brothers and sisters in Christ and that they could 'live' better what is happening during Mass.
@@omsi2332 Watch again and again. What you say is off topic.
@@frankrault3190 It's not, Brother Casey said that a lot of people are writting and talking of liturgical abuses. They are doing it so that they can improve and do better, Liturgies which will better show the Love of God in his Holy Sacrifice.
And it's not "idolatry" doing so.
Received a prayer card explaining a novena to our lady.
In the first paragraph it says; We worship you".
Clear idolatry.
...we should not consent ANY type of idolatry simply because GOD almighty himself COMMANDS us NOT to...
It's unfortunate that Father hasn't lived long enough to see what the liturgical changes have done to the church.
If all truly believed that the Eucharist IS God, we wouldn't see many of things seen in the Novus Ordo. For many of us, we can only fathom these changes were made with the intention of "protestantizing" and creating disbelief.
If you witnessed someone disrespecting your spouse, you would only feel a fraction of the negative emotion created in relation to witnessing Eucharistic indifference, irreverence, and even sacrilege.
I pray that all of you would read the very short book by Athanasius Schneider: "Dominus Est, it is the Lord: Reflections of a Bishop of Central Asia on Holy Communion". I'm sure you would then feel the extreme sorrow and guilt others do. Let us all pray for forgiveness and repent.
I will be praying with you friend, indeed I commend the bishop for his good work on promoting reverence for the Eucharistic Lord. That said, I do not agree with him on many things regarding the reforms and development of Church liturgy, how to evangelize the secular world, and the authority of the bishops of Mother Church.
Nevertheless as I am a conservative at heart and a lover of ancient tradition, he has my deep admiration!
Iowa Ronin I am old enough to have been an altar boy for years in the old Latin form. Where do these people get the idea that all those Masses were beautiful? Some of them were often disgracefully rushed, mumbled incoherently ,
Iowa Ronin
The thing our evangelical brothers forget is that the church was functioning for a couple of hundred years before the Bible was finalized.
@Broruben Mont :
Historians will agree that the reports, letters and eye-witness accounts that eventually became what we now know as the New Testament were probably all written during the first century A.D.
However, the Holy Bible as we know it today was not compiled until the end of the fourth century.
Considering that you would need approximately 100 sheep or goat skins just for the parchment on which to copy all the text, and the skill of a scribe who would slowly and painstakingly write every word, frequently sharpening his quill and preparing his ink, you can see that it would be many more years after that time before a copy of the Bible was even available to the kind of people who could afford one!
Meanwhile, the teachings of Our Lord Jesus had been spread around the known world by word-of-mouth as Jesus had ordered.
@Broruben Mont :
The word " Pope" simply comes from the Italian for father.
The position of Vicar of Christ, as pertains to the pope, was established around 32-33A.D. in the town of Caesarea Philippi.
@Broruben Mont :
It's only common sense that the writings that would later become part of the Holy Bible would have been written by A.D. 95 (approx.), nobody disputes that, for the simple reason that the writers were all dead by then.
Everyone knows that.
However, the scriptures that were finally canonized, and deemed to be truly inspired by God, were not assembled for another three hundred years.
As I understand it, the writings and the Gospels along with the Hebrew scriptures, (OT), were functioning among the early church quite soon; in fact many before the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem in 70AD. What happened in later councils of the Bishops was the official recognition of what was already being used. It is considered by some to be the creation of the false gospels in the later centuries of the early Church, (like the gospel of Thomas and such things), that prompted the decision of the early church fathers to officially recognize what had been used since the beginning of the Christian church. Edit: I just wanted to add that Protestants, evangelical or not, affirm this as the importance of the Word of God is held with great fervor.
There was a priest at a church I used to go to that always said "take this all of you, eat up" and "take this all of you, drink up" it litterally made me cringe. It's so casual, I've never heard anyone else say it like that.
If a priest changes the words of the Mass it is then invalid.
Just another example of the abuse in the Novus Ordo Mass.
@@alhilford2345 I know, I wondered if saying "eat up" then made it invalid and what that meant for me and all the other parishioners.
@@jjaros964 :
I honestly just don't know. I have had the same experiences, especially with a priest who was afraid of offending women, and everything came out with "sisters and brothers", "women and men".
I think that we just have to trust God, who knows what our intentions are.
I go to a Latin Mass when available, and there is no room for abuse there.
🤣🤣 I like it.
@@alhilford2345
How do you know that?
Thank you for the videos Father Casey! I just joined the Catholic church, and with a Protestant background, can feel a bit caught up with the things I used to think were Catholic "idols". You are completely right, people can idolize even forms of worship; and it's not just Catholics who do this- Protestants do this a lot too.
Anyhow, just wanted to say thanks for standing up for the truth in a Christ-like manner.
Matthew 23:9
King James Version
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
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When God said not to call any man Father, He was talking to the Pharisees about their making their own version of His One True Apostolic Catholic Church, and making the leader of their Church as their Father, and not Him. He was not talking about us calling our dads and Priests in His Church Father. Eph 6:1-2, 1:4, 1 Cor 4:15-17, Tim 1:1-4, Titus 1:1-5.
It was a good analysis on the pitfalls of organized religion both in Catholic AND Protestant services. It’s never been about religion in Christianity, it’s about a relationship with Jesus Christ. It has never been how, it’s always been who. Religion sets boundaries limiting our understanding of who and how to worship, thereby trying to imprison the infinite in a finite form.
Would there be a part two to this video dealing with the concern of idolatry in the form of intercessory prayer to the Saints? I understand the premise behind intercessory prayer, but it still sounds as if we indirectly say that the Holy Spirit is not enough to turn to in prayer; which again places limits on God
Wow! I will pray that you will be chosen to become our next pope! 😍This was fantastic!!!
The "sign of peace" in the NO absolutely distracts from the presence of Jesus. This is usually inserted right after the miracle of transubstantiation.
It’s in the traditional,spot in NO
Thank you so much Fr. Casey for everything you do and for teaching the Catholic faith in such a caring manner. God bless you and all your loved ones.
Matthew 23:9
King James Version
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
I can completely see your point, thank you for the explanation. My question with the Catholic Church is, how are prayers and worships to Mary and Saints not idolatry? I am open minded, I truly want an explanation of your point of view, if someone would be so kind.
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Catholics do not worship Our Lady, Mary, we pray to her and we pray to the angels and saints.
The word "pray " means to ask, beseech, entreat, beg, implore, petition, request...
We ask Mary, as the Mother of God, to pray for us; to take our requests, our petitions, our needs, and to place them before God on our behalf.
Remember the marriage feast at Cana?
Mary saw that they had run out of wine, and, on behalf of the host, she pointed this out to her Son, knowing full well that he would not refuse a request from her.
She is our mother also, and we can go to her with confidence that she will intercede for us.
Father I want to have a dialog with you about this topic. I can say the same thing about the Novus Ordo since it was made to focus on the people. Don't worship the creature, worship the creator. There is no point of focusing on the people when we worship God. The liturgy is ultimately about God, not us. The part that is for us is when we receive in the end. The real question is not whether the liturgy should be worshipped or not. It is about worshipping God in the best way. So it is up to us to compare and see, which liturgy gives more reverence to God? Which liturgy expresses the truth more? Which liturgy shows that we are a church that has 2000 years old of heritage not 50?? The traditional worship is better in showing all of that. Not that the Novus Ordo is invalid, but that it is inferior in its gestures and expressions. So it all boils down to this question: does the way we worship God matter? If it does, then we are justified in fighting for reverence. If it is not, then burn the Torah for God in it puts details on how the temple should be belt.
So well said.. I say the the priest..
Stop constantly trying to explain every detail..
Worship is giving God what is rightfully His.
I choose which and what way I connect with Him and the way I am called to do so.
If I choose to reverence the HOLY EUCHARIST more than the word or sacraments or any other means.. that is between God and me... We all have or must have a personal relationship with our Creator .. Jesus makes that easy and understandable the HOLY Spirit guides us on our journey.. why should any person not only question but decide for me...
I do not agree worshipping Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament is idolatry... you lost me.
@@vickidallarmi8224 your comment is not clear
@Harley Mann thank you for your comment. I agree that there is no "one way" to worship God, as it is evident from the different rites within the Catholic church. However, the Novus Ordo is s different case. It is not just a mere "new style" but it is a rite where the sacrafical aspect is diminished, as it is evident when we compare the old and new rite side to side. A lot of penitence prayers were removed or replaced and universal aspects (East and West) were changed, such as the seperation of nave and the sanctuary, secular music, dancing in mass, etc. We need a reform to the reform to help fix this problem.
@Harley Mann I have no problem with vernacular. The other rites of the church use vernacular, each to a certain extent. I myself am a Syriac Catholic, not a Latin rite Catholic. I do appreciate the beauty of the liturgies that we have as a church and hope to restore the reverence and mystery. My church, for example, had a curtain that separates the nave and the sanctuary. It is a beautiful reminder of the relation between the Jewish temple and the church temple. I see no good in taking it away.
@Harley Mann true. God bless you and congratulations for your conversation :)
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
00:00 🤨 Misunderstandings of Catholic practices lead to claims of idolatry, but there are legitimate concerns about idolatry within the Catholic Church.
00:53 🙌 Idolatry involves placing complete trust in something other than God, treating it as divine; not limited to physical images.
01:49 ⛪ Worshipping the liturgy itself, rather than God, can become a form of idolatry, focusing on details over genuine worship.
03:12 🔍 Excessive focus on liturgical mechanics can overshadow the worship of God, turning the form of worship into an end in itself.
05:02 🍞 Even with the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist, distorted attitudes and dispositions can turn it into a form of idolatry.
06:22 🤝 Worship should be rooted in an authentic relationship with the living God, rather than a distorted understanding.
08:08 🙏 True worship goes beyond rituals, recognizing God's presence and leading to transformation, holiness, and charity.
09:06 💡 Avoid focusing on rituals over relationships, divisive worship, or creating a skewed image of God; strive for genuine worship and becoming more like Christ.
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Fr. Casey, your reflections this year truly move me. I promise not to idolize you, haha, but I feel like your approach to engaging the people of the modern day through media is one the best I've seen.
Agreed!
Matthew 23:9
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
I’ve seen this same idolatry of worship in the Lutheran Church. Of course, we have a greater diversity of worship practices and styles, but at its heart, our worship is centered on gathering together to thank and praise God, to receive His gifts in Word and Sacrament. I have thoroughly enjoyed your content - we may have some differences, but ecumenism is important as we are both God’s children, disciples of Christ, and part of the invisible Church.
5:18 that moment when you assure people your not a heretic XD
⚠️Why this religion will lead you to HELL. ⚠️
The whole basis of the damnable Catholic teaching on asking Mary to pray for us is that she is very precious to God. No one has special privileges with God. Catholics believe that Jesus was some mamas boy. Whatever Mary wants , Mary gets. Its honestly disgusting , even lutherans as well with catholics believe that God could not come to earth incarnate without obtaining Mary's permission first. That is complete BLASPHMEY!
It is honestly interesting that the "blessed virgin" of Catholicism is also call the "Queen of Heaven" by the Catholic Church itself ? Jesus said , "Ye worship ye know not what..." (John 4:22). Catholics have no clue or idea who they are worshipping, they claim to worship "God" , while idolizing Mary in every shape and form. Mary is literally praised over 2,226 words in the rosary and how many times do y'all do the rosary? Thats straight BLASPHEMY ! God clearly said "He would NOT share his glory with another...." Isaiah 42:8
Catholic priest are spiritual frauds, all of them. It is so gross their theological negligence for both Lutheran minister and Catholic priest to claim the power to absolve someone else's sins. They can't even forgive their own sins. Religion wants to keep us in a box, but the Lord wants us to open our eyes. Satan uses religion , the lies from all around the world to blind people from the glorious gospel ( 2 Cor 4:3-4).
I truly pray that you won't continue to be one of satans victims, I pray that nobody will truly. I don't write these things, I do not go out and street evangelize these things to be hateful or unkind, God knows that. I have no hatred in my heart, God knows. Life is just too short to live with hatred. However, I hate evil, which is what we are commanded to do as a Christian, (Psalms 97:10), "Ye that love the LORD, hate evil; : he preserverth the souls of his saint; he delivered them out of the hand of the wicked."
May God bless you and open yours and everyone else's eyes to the truth, Amen.
@@mrsvaldez can i copy this text? I want to share this
@@sunandsteel9049 I don’t know for your Bible but in my Catholic Bible (which is in french cause I am from a french speaking country), it is clearly stated that they (the Israelites) tried to have a representation of God. They did not invent themselves a God, they wanted to have a representation of God.
@@mrsvaldez I guess you must never ask your friends and family to pray for you?
@@drm7552 No, I pray to God myself. If i need people to constantly pray for me something is wrong with my relationship with Christ Jesus , and if it’s something serious I need to fast and Pray then.
I know that people focus so much on the part of worshipping. What I know is that a whole verse in the Bible (Exodus 20:4) is dedicated to saying that we should not even make them🤷🏽♂️
And, the next verse clearly states that we should not bow ourselves to them...
As a fellow priest, I must ask, where did you go to seminary? That will tell us a lot.
- Fr. Richard
Proof that Franciscans do not make good theologians. You make some distinctions, but sacrifice others in the process. Stick to working with the poor, your charism. Your charism is good and needed. But don't do it at the expense of others.
As a fellow priest, I’m a bit disappointed that you would be so blatantly honest about your judgment of others. This is the attitude of the world, not the attitude of Christ, father. As a Franciscan, I go where my superior sends me, and I am able to think freely in those places. More importantly, seminary makes up but a small portion of our formation, as we spend 4 years of formation in non-academic formation.
Please show a bit more charity and refrain from judging people.
"The golden calf wasn't wrong because the Israelites worshipped another god."
Helping to make more protestants
Richard - ignorance of the scriptures is ignorance of Christ-St jerome made that statement--
I am sure you would find fault with him-and ask which seminary he went to---
It is a pity that you do not encourage Catholics to meditate on the scriptures.
There is so much ignorance in our Church when it comes to scripture.
So , I , as a lay person followed the advice of Jerome- I encourage you to do likewise
I have serious doubts about casey having watched several vids
I'm really impressed by your explanation. It's a hard thing to explain. Towards the end, I understood how the points you were making, fit into the Catholic Doctrine. There is evidence of what you talked about, all around us in our modern time. Sadly, I've seen priests fall prey to what you talked about. It's so easy to be misled nowadays; even by priests with good intentions.
I know that Jesus told St. Faustina about his frustrations with souls who don't recognize Him (God) for who He truly is (in his words: "I am goodness and mercy Itself"); instead going elsewhere to find God's presence, and giving up when they don't find Him there. Or believing He is some kind of wrathful rules-monger.
Thank you for making this video, Fr. Casey. Please pray for us, and for the whole world. 🙏
Wow. This really made sense to me and I was feeling conflicted about the church because of other Catholics keeping the traditions. Thank you for this explanation.
2 Thessalonians 2:13 He has also called you into truth through our Gospel, unto the acquisition of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Thessalonians 2:14 And so, brothers, stand firm, and hold to the traditions that you have learned, whether by word or by our epistle.
I am so so so glad you are talking about this. I get really sad and angry and frustrated by so much of this kind of stuff. Convert here from Evangelicalism. Charismatic, too. I love all the forms of Liturgy... a Vietnamese Mass, an Arabic Mass, Latin Mass, etc. But I find that some will not tolerate it. Jesus, break down these walls.
I read a comment on Eucharist that might apply here.Our worship is misguided when we objectify the blessed sacrament as an it and not realising the Eucharist is the true presence of the person,human and divine ,Jesus.
EXACTLY!
I think this is a crucial and fundamental point. I think many people who lose Faith in God do so not ever realizing they were only ever worshiping God through a veil of bias supplanted by their sins and desires. I.e. they lost Faith in an idol for not being God, despite God actually being present.
I believe that people ignore the correct meaning of "idolatry", and think that idolatry is to bow in front of a statue (like Lutheran churches) or even having a statue or figure (like other churches that rejects any image of God or his kingdom- like Islam and evangelical congregations). They seem to forget the deeper meaning of idolatry, and that is the concept of dedicating your life and thoughts to something or somebody else outside of God, as it were god.
I believe that this is what Christ was referring to in the gospels. There's "physical" idolatry and is easy to condemn and to avoid -but psychological or spiritual idolatry is something much complex that people often ignores.
Just because someone doesn't worship a statue doesn't mean that they don't fall for the deeper meaning of idolatry.
Aren't Catholic haters tedious in the extreme ? most are utterly ignorant of the beauty and truth of The Catholic Church . They dishonour Our Lady and Jesus Himself by their bigotry
You’ve brought up two very good points that I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone else talk about. Thank you 🙏🏻 I’m definitely going to do a lot of reflecting after this because you gave me a lot to think about. Also, it would be nice if you were some how able to bring up these two points with other Catholics because it would be nice to get other people talk about these issues.
God Bless you for this videos. I think as a Christian your videos have strengthen my faith in the catholic church and answer basically all the difficult questions
Good song... "When the music stops." Some worship the song instead of Jesus, who is the object of the worship song.
C Hawk Oh heatwave I could just hear them screaming isn’t that music lovely? These old ladies and young people who have a brain in their head like to say that lovely word a whole lot.
It’s time Florida and Georgia people -I live in Florida BTW, take there sorry but backsides to the nearest emergency room.someone needs to help them ASAP
@@jeannestark6293 I have no idea what you are talking about.
I was just going to say the exact same thing.
Wow... ❤️
Articulate... Many of us are guilty of worshipping the Worship as well as the other end of the extreme.
Hi Father Casey, I have been a follower of your channel for quite some time and I feel like that some of us are still trying to digest the concept of idolising the form of worship and I as a more conservative Catholic understand what you mean is true.
Latin mass in where I live is usually held once a month. My friend and I from my Parish who is also into traditionalism would go to our Parish Church whenever Latin Mass is not present. I often have arguments with him because he's so critical to the Novus Ordo mass down to the tee that he even keeps a digital note for every time the priests commit "liturgical abuse" which I often disagree with him because he was comparing it to the Latin Mass which is a different form of Mass, what you say is really true and I cannot disagree because I experience this quite often, many people are misled by attending mass with the idea of making the mass "like the old days" where I for one prefer the Latin Mass because I feel really connected to God in an emotional and spiritual level when I speak in Latin because that is where I feel most comfortable in worshiping much like how you were talking about how we are humans and we like material and tangible things for example candles and incense in your previous videos.
But however in fairness I hope that you would also address or make a disclaimer in the future when you make a video critical of us Traddies and some of our tendencies, please just adress that we are not all pharisees cause the stereotype is already harsh on us.
Greetings from Italy :)
The criticism may be harsh on you. Sorry for that. But traddies can really get to the nerves of us NO when they constantly attack the pope and bishops. It starts to look like the fruits of attending the Latin Mass is self-sanctimonization and glorification which a concurrent vilification of others.
@@josephcasley7979 I truly understand that my brother, I myself have many issues with other traddies,
many traddies have even gone against the Holy Father to the extent of calling him a heretic or the agent of the antichrist, However as appalled as I am to their hatred towards the Holy Father and Vatican 2, I still welcome them with an open arm, I even welcome those from those NO circles who would openly judge me by calling me a pharasee because I choose to wear formalwear attire to mass in respect of the Presence of Christ in the Eucharist. All that hatred bubbled against me just because of the mere garment that i wear, even though they don't know who i am or even want to know who I am, they called me Prideful and boastful because of a mere garment that many traddies like to wear to mass, despite of all their allegations of pride that they say that I am. I tend to spend most of my time here in Italy with the people who nobody cares about, the homeless.
tell me brother, do you shove one away because one is spiritually in pain or suffering from a mental illness or that he or she has an issue that would take him or her to act this way, or do you come to their aid and listen so one day they can become well and happy with us our brothers and sisters. we are all lonely people screaming in an echo chamber when we refuse to understand those who may be opposed to us.
Matthew 23:9
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Some people are so distracted by the clothes that various worshippers come to church with that they forget why they're at church. There's potential for division in choosing to wear a chapel veil or not, in how one receives Holy Communion, etc. God is so much larger than these things!
This idolatry of worship exists in the Protestant world, as well. I would say, even more so, given all the different denominations and non denominations. For my evangelical non-denominational church, the pandemic has stripped bare what we once considered "correct and normal" and urged us into focusing on the "why" and not the "how".
We only idolize God and Jesus so what idolatry do protestant Christians commit other then putting God first over pope, saints, mary and statues ??
@@herprettynails I did not mean we don't have God and Jesus as the focus, what I meant was that too many churches have become distracted by the experience, i.e. what fancy things can we be doing to attract more people, rather than emphasizing the Gospel. Some out-of-the-box ideas can be good, but always the idea behind them must be how will these things bring people closer to a relationship with Jesus.
Hey father I have been praying rosary every day but I do not get much from it , I get exhausted but probably will keep praying once in a while . Mother Mary is not much responsive for me but I love her
This is true in the Anglican/Epicopalian tradition, too. Witness the Prayer Book Wars, when we even had schisms over the revision of our Book of Common Prayer.
Harley Mann so vat are u now?
Not to mention the Scottish Covenanters!...well said and welcome.
@Kam Wah Lam In the 1970s, the ECUSA and the Anglican Church of Canada both revised their versions of the Book of Common Prayer to (among other things) provide liturgy in contemporary, rather than Elizabethan, English; at the same time, both decided to start ordaining women. Several groups broke from us over one or both issues.
Thank you so much, Fr. Casey! What you say is all too true. So many people make God in their own image rather than seeing that all humans are made in His image. Thank you for another wonderfully wise and insightful talk.
Matthew 23:9
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
You don't need to even include the theology of the Eucharist to make the argument he's making in his second point (which I think is kind of valid in itself, eliminating the need for mention of the Eucharist).
Thank you for teaching us the way to worship Our Lord Jesus Christ .
May God continue to bless & inspire you in your missionary work
I think a lot of people on this forum do not really understand the REAL msg Fr Casey is driving at. Think about it, people.
Hey Father, I'm a former benedictine novice in a monastery which celebrated TLM and now I'm preparing to enter a greek-catholic seminary in France (my country) I just LOVED this video because I have been myself struggling with "worship of worship". What I would say is that I'm not necessarily SINNING when I get angry because of the lack of sacredness of a liturgy...at the beginning I felt ashamed to be so angry and I knew that it was a kind of obsession, but now I have realized that it's just a matter of bad thoughts coming without my consent ; what I can do is just staying there and focusing again on the presence of Christ among us. But still, I don't know how to get rid of this anger and when I'm at my parents' place without any reverent liturgies I am suffering so hard that sometimes I decide to get some fresh air and I attend mass in an orthodox monastery (there's no greek catholic community there) I often speak of myself as a person suffering of a liturgical virus which I got in my TLM monastery. Any advice? It would be so great to be like a child who sees his friend Jesus and not the cold and intolerant judge I am sometimes...
I look up to you for your humbleness. I was raised with the ordinary Mass and fell in love with the Eucharist through it. I like how simple and accesible it can be, while conveying all the message of what is happening (both the meal and the sacrifice). TLM for me has too many details which are meant to point towards God, but are distracting instead to me. This is not to say you shouldn't love TLM or Greek liturgy, just to tell you some things you might be seeing as irreverence are probably not to be interpreted in that way. Maybe it could help you to think that, to remember we're like little children before God. Our Father accepts the worship of our hearts, not how beautiful we make it look on the outside. For God, even the most reverent and ancient liturgy is like the picture of a 6 years-old, so He's not less worshipped if other child picture looks like a 4 years-old doodle. So maybe you could think this when you feel bad: the doodles of a sincere brother, praising the Lord, and the same Mass for everyone, which connect us all regardless of the liturgy.
@@giovannimartini6405 thanks a lot. There are in fact a lot of beautiful novus ordo liturgies, I totally agree with you!
I was raised as Catholic and as an adult I first learned I was receiving the body of Christ... something is wrong with Catholic teaching obviously..I thought it was a symbolic representation of Christ. No one told me it was Christ.
Modernists
Didn't pay much attention in Catechism class, did we?
Yes. Sure it was taught. Your right. I was not listening.
So much of this right now and tearing up our Church. Thank you, Father, for pointing this out and delivering this message. God bless you.
Even if Jesus himself would have preached at this vlog about whatever He would like, He would have triggered a lot of people who are certain they know better, telling the Lord to shut up.
He always did!
It really upsets me when people accuse me of worshipping the Mother of God or the Saints, and then go on to worship many other idols that they're unaware of, ones that I'm actually guilty of worshipping as well (e.g. phone addiction). But what truly makes me upset is when they say we aren't Christians because of this sin--why did Jesus come to redeem us if we aren't all sinners? Even if we did worship Mary or the Saints, it wouldn't mean that Jesus closes the gates of Heaven on us, even if we accept Him as our one and only Savior. Non-Catholics saying that Catholics "aren't Christians" or "won't go to Heaven" because we "worship idols" is just appalling. The whole reason Jesus came down from Heaven was to save us from sin.
The points are valid but to communicate them is very hard.
In pointer 1 of the video, there are examples of what we consider idolatry that the object of worship is not necessarily a deity. I forgot how the proverb is written but in paraphase, whatever is in your heart is the thing you worship. For example by orienting your life to gaining wealth as an end itself instead of using it as an instrument means that wealth is your god since you have dedicated your life, soul, mind, and heart on it.
In pointer two, it is even harder to communicate this and this is the first time i heard this. I never heard any other catholic ever address this issue.
Greco Cabanero All this about wealth? Can you pay your bills with some savings left over? Do you have an issue with textures and routines? You need to go get examined by a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist? There’s a problem with those people because they have mental health issues to begin with they walk around depressed and they can’t make decisions so Pastorelli speaking, the pastors need to start doing something about this
@@jeannestark6293 clearly, i talking about filthy rich, not ordinary people.
Greco Cabanero most people are not filthy rich and most people are trying to work with living and have some savings so they can deal with things that make sure you understand that
As I said. Hard to communicate.
@@jeannestark6293 I think the problem would be of making wealth a goal in itself.
The biggest thing that hits me, it when you said don’t focus on the technicalities. Not saying you are wrong, I’m really trying to follow God. I want to focus God, I want to follow the word God gave me.
The Church needs both "liberal" and "conservative" views like the 2 lungs of the Church, East and West. But we need to find a balance between those views.
One is more suited for ensuring that the rubrics are being followed and that worship is truly worship and not a hootinanny ceremony. While the other is more suited to works of charity (education, ecumenicism, etc.).
We need to remember that we are all ONE BODY but many parts. Each part has a role to fulfill. When one part hurts, all hurt and when one rejoices, we all rejoice!
Father Casey, I am an Orthodox Christian and often watch your humorous videos. Everything you have said in this video can be applied to Orthodox Christians. We do not have statues but venerate Icons and so we too are accused of idolatry the same way you describe. Unfortunately we still have issues that divide us but we also have many more things that we are the same in our fundamental beliefs. As we enter into the r2023 Lenten journey I wish you all the best and Gad bless you. I will pass this video link to my Priest who I know will appreciate it.
This is so true. I see so many people almost worshipping TLM and it's getting out of hand.
The images and statues in the catholic church although not an object of worship as the speaker explained creates a probability of idolatry. The images, pictures, and statues technically represent models of beings that are to be worshipped one way or another. So that people with background of idol worship in their culture are tempted to do so upon converting to Christianity.
People like you make me look at the Catholic Church and think: "This is way". (to quote the Mandalorian)
"This is the way" but, yes. The Catholic Chruch, His Mother Mary, and the many Saints, "are the way" to Christ.
This is Christ church brother. Believe in Jesus and come home.
Because some Protestants have a penchant for lurking around Catholic pages & attempt to tear us down by misinterpreting every single thing we say, allow me to clarify. As Christians, Catholics know & believe that Jesus Christ is "the way, the truth & the life" & (hopefully) we seek to build a relationship with Him. That's what Catholicism is about.
Your words from 8:28 all the way to the end of the video convinced me to subscribe. Thank you for this channel.
I am a former Catholic. I do like your presentations, but I can never come back to the Catholic Church. My downfall as a Catholic was when I started to seriously study the Bible. The Bible does condemn the use of statues or other images to represent God or human that should be worshipped as God. Keep up the great work. I just hope that some day you will come to accept the Bible as God's complete, inerrant, and infallible Word. God bless.
James , it will take time to change the culture of older catholics who have never opened a full bible !
Discussions regarding the irreverent handling of the consecrated Host is NOT a trivial discussion bordering on idol worship, an obsession on rubrics. It is a recognition of the True Presence . . . Drawing attention to the failure to give the proper respect and understanding to the treasure of our Faith that has handed down to us by our fore bearers is not idolatry. Instead, it is a serious sin to try to make the Catholic faith fit the trends of the modern age . . . I agree that there are many arguments regarding the language to be used at Mass. So why is there such a knee jerk hostility to the Mass in Latin by so many Catholics? I guess you are correct. A fanatical embrace of Vatican II leading to the destruction of the Church could be a form of idolatry.
Although I understand your point. It seems to be a way of shutting down discussion of legitimate questions of liturgy. If your point is taken to the extreme, that tradition can be idolatry, then it seems to open the door for protestant views of small t tradition as completely irrelevant, and that God only looks at the heart. However we believe there is an importance for the liturgy. Of course it's not supposed to be idolatry, but it is also not supposed to be abused. As I see it in Biblical terms there are two equally damaging extremes.
The Trad Jew/Catholic who only cares about rubrics for sacrfice yet has no contrite heart and their sacrfices are rejected by God just like the Israelites who were then exiled.
The other being the modernist Jew/Catholic that has no regard for the sacred or for liturgy. They're abuse results in God striking them down regardless of their intention. Examples include Aron's sons who mishandled the incense, Uzzah who touched the Ark of the Covenant, israelites bringing an idol in Gods house. All were struck dead.
Both extremes are sins and should be avoided and addressed. Although Fr Casey, Bishop Barron, and many mainstream catholics have thankfully tackled the issues of Rubrick Traditionalism, there also needs to be videos done on the opposite but equally deadly abuse of liturgy.
I'm sure many Catholics know of parishes that mishandle the eucharist to allow particles to fall on the floor and be stomped on with no regard. Yet we have saints in our history who were martyred trying to protect eucharist. That's just one example of an abuse that should be brought to attention.
Agreed. I think in general the good father does a good job of promoting moderation in these issues (he seems to have both liberal and traditional leanings) I would be happy to see him tackle a bit more the abuses committed by the other side of the aisle. But as a Catholic who loves the Extraordinary Form Mass and strongly prefers Gregorian Chant over any modern stuff at Church I tend to see with sadness a lot of divisiveness among Northern Traditionalists (I say Northern because I do not see such trends in my home country of Brazil among traditionally minded Catholics) because this is the group I prefer to mingle with so it would be nice if they straightened that out lol either way, both sides have serious problems to deal with.
Helpful & reflective. Really needed to hear this. Praise God!
Now I feel small for being so critical of the priest when he deviates from what I think should be happening. But, what happens when he creates such a distraction from the prayer, the Word, that it inhibits prayer? Work harder? Deep breath?
Working on your concentration is a great idea, a second thing to do could be talking with your priest and the rest of the community about how the liturgy should be done, with kindness and openness of course !
There is definitely room for a discussion about the validity of mass. Priests can be extremely clerical when they make the mass about themselves, changing the words and actions to fit their desires. This needs to be dealt with. My point was less on the "validity" of mass and more on the spiritual preferences, the minor rubrics. Does it REALLY matter if the priest genuflects to the tabernacle when walking to read the Gospel? According to the rubrics, he shouldn't, but it doesn't invalidate the mass. Does it REALLY matter if a church decides to use more Latin or English, has certain vestments, has a certain tone, etc.? I think we put too much into our personal preferences and not enough into the mystery of Christ's presence.
@@BreakingInTheHabit :
You have just given us perfect examples of the ways that abuse can creep into the Novus Ordo Mass, and yet you appear to be saying that it really doesn't matter.
@@alhilford2345 As St. Francis once put it when he was praised for loving God, 'If God had given you as much grace as He has given me, you would have been a better saint.' Point I am making is that we should always pray for grace not to be judges as well as grace for the priests.
As a Catholic.. I kind of agree that for some Catholics, having statues is sort of like idolatry. Though probably more in their day to day life. They need to pray before statues or have statue of a saint in their car for safety etc.. our faith and our relationship with Christ is in our hearts.. I don't own statues, or need or desire statues with my faith.. i remember when I was a young boy, my grand mother took me to an evening mass, at that particular service everyone lined up to kiss the feet of the statue of Christ. As a child, I did what I was told but in my heart, it felt very wrong. As far as I know the Roman Catholic rite is the only church that has statues. The eastern rites and orthodox use icons. Myvfather was Russiann orthodx. I do like Icons. They are very mysterious almost like a window or portal to the spiritual world in the sense they stir our imaginations into the heavenly realm.. I guess the satin glass windows in church always had that effect on me..I'm typing in that little box on my phone..please for give any errors
Father, the only way we should receive Christ is in the tongue, if not particles are lost
Maybe you should watch this video again...
@Ellis Francis that is the reason I commented
Receiving on hand is allowed by Church. Period.
@@michal_marczynski yes, sadly it is accepted. I do not see the reason why. If God is present in all particles, receiving it in the hand can be dangerous, particles do get lost. I honestly cant see the reason in a healthy situation to receive it in the hand
@Ellis Francis :
"DOMINE NON SUM DIGNUS"
If Christ Himself is really and truly present under the appearance of bread, am I, as a sinner, worthy to hold Him in my hand and touch Him with my fingers?
No.
It's also a good reminder for those involved in the liturgy of our communities (myself included).
I think it is an interesting dimension of this that when something is in a sense "close to God" or created in order to point the person towards God, that it is more readily converted into an idol. For me an example of this in the Bible is the bronze serpent on the pole. According to the narrative with Moses it was created at God's commandment as a means for turning the people's minds to God so they could be healed. But in the account of Josiah, it appears such a cult had developed around it that the king had it destroyed because it had become an idol.
Not anti Catholic just born protestant, but when i hear Catholics grouped with mormons, jw or when people attack Mary my head spins😥 keep up the good work father and God bless
Just like nice Protestant comments. God bless you!
@@giovannimartini6405 may the peace of Christ be with you
Father,
First, I commend you for your courageous attempt to address what you see is a serious issue (otherwise, why make the video, right?)
So, please take my question in the spirit of charity. It pertains to Eucharistic Adoration.
Are you saying that, when we participate in Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament, we should not exclusively adore the host itself? But instead, we should engage in Adoration as a means to enter the infinite mystery of Our Trinitarian God in order to grow in holiness and discipleship...?
I'd really appreciate a response on this one. Thanks! And God bless you!
In Christ,
Dcn. Paul Testa
Diocese of St. Augustine
I'm leaving a comment to be notified in case Fr Casey responds
That is my (plebeian) understanding of it. The host is but a single tiny physical manifestation of the spirit of the Lord. It has God's blessing and presence, but does not contain the full fruit of His goodness; it is but a cell of his body.
Also, it's still a piece of bread.
I'm not sure that I understand your question completely, so feel free to clarify, but I don't entirely see a difference between what you've said. The host itself IS the infinite mystery of the Trinitarian God. That is the true presence of Jesus Christ, body, blood, soul, and divinity, sent by the Father and made present by the Holy Spirit.
What I would say is this. Yes, it should lead us beyond just a sacrament. A sacrament is the best thing we have on earth but nothing close to what we experience in heaven. Can you imagine how awful it would be if all we had was Eucharistic adoration in heaven!? I don't want a transformed host still under the accidents of bread and wine! I want the living and true Jesus, who can speak and listen and respond. Just because Jesus is truly present doesn't mean that Jesus is *completely* present in the way that he exists in heaven.
Although, that isn't really the point I'm making in this video. The point I set out to make is that people can look at the host, call it Jesus, and yet be idolatrous because *their conception of Jesus is tragically wrong.* If what people worship is a God who hates their enemies, is okay with sin, justifies our use of power over others, etc. then we are not actually worshipping Jesus, we are worshipping a God we created in our minds that we call "Jesus."
@@BreakingInTheHabit
Father,
Thanks for your thorough response. I truly appreciate the time you took to write out such a rich and beautiful response.
I apologize if my question confused you; nonetheless, your response gave me the explanation I was looking for...and more!
And, I understand that this was not necessarily the point of your video today (and I totally agree with your point about not worshipping the legalistic rubrics of liturgy per se); but as I was listening to it, our practice of Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament quickly came to mind. So, I wanted to get into a deeper discussion with you on this particular point.
Again, great video Father. I sometimes share your content with my RCIA group. Faithful subscriber here...
Blessings,
Dcn. Paul
Fr.Casey Thank you for clarifying out the confusion I have had since I converted to Catholic from Protestant 3 years ago.What matters most is our personal relationships with God. Can we really feel the presence of God anytime and anywhere? God is with us everywhere,anytime,not only when we attend mass.
Sadly the people who need to receive this wonderful message probably aren't watching or are waiting for any opportunity to argue about what the think you said instead of what you actually said. God message Fr Casey.
Matthew 23:9
King James Version
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.