Kristoph Gavin's Descent to Insanity
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- Опубліковано 16 вер 2024
- [MAJOR SPOILERS for the Phoenix Wright Trilogy, Apollo Justice, and Persona 4]
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The poll's prediction was correct, and title says all. Kristoph Gavin's behind-the-scenes actions and interactions with Klavier, Zak Gramarye and Vera Misham throughout the events of the AJ game that led to Phoenix Wright getting disbarred, as I imagined them.
As always, made in Objection.lol
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Character credits and OL codes (in order of appearance):
1) Godot (by omerlavie): EVBTAT
2) Phoenix Wright (by Yumi): PIYMOM
3) Klavier Gavin Young (by A1zen[?]): LNYJFH
4) Kristoph Gavin Counsel (by P.R.): GYKDVN
5) Kristoph Gavin Witness (by TATom05, Jay Faraday and rhythmiic): THZBUX
6) Magnifi Gramarye sprite by Nocturnal_Swinger on Court-Records
7) Zak Gramarye/Shadi Smith (by No Way! Yes Way): CVCULW
8) Vera Misham Young (by Lorento): XEVXZM
9) Trucy Wright Young (by f*cking zenigata [uncensored]): BMKVXZ
10) Tohru Adachi (by me): ????? (for now ;p)
"Don't worry. And get that hand off my face"💀
This was an interesting watch. It really shows how Kristoph went from a calm and cool headed defense attorney to a man whose jealousy and pride led him to forging evidence, manipulating multiple people, including his own brother, murdering Drew and Zak, and getting Phoenix disbarred. And it ended up being for nothing due to his own former employee and the man he hates never giving up in pursuing the truth.
Indeed. All of this happened because he lied to himself that Phoenix was unworthy and that he didn't deserve his reputation. But it backfired as the man he underestimated proved that he was more than enough to take him down in the end
You also forgot he wanted to murder a 12years old girl at the time he made the forgery.
He goes that low just for his own pride.
Even Manfred, with how horrible of a monster he is, didn’t tried to frame nor killed Miles when he had the opoortunity to completely ruin Gregory after murdering him.
Ace Attorney, where it’s a good game is about how the culprits are represented about their motive for murder.
Manfred: A man who fear to lose, ready to break the law just to continue to win, by twisting the truth and conducting illegal and wrong verdicts just to win.
And when he lost, he simply goes to murder while he gain the occasion.
He even goes that far than instigating the same bailif he framed to murder, using the fact he had nothing to lose, to lead him to kill someone (who rest morally wrong, Durand was still a piece of shit with Yogi, he still ruined his life too) and framed Miles for it (it’s also why, even if Yogi is a killer, i still have pity for this man, he didn’t deserve what happen to him before his crime).
Kristoph: A man who litterally lost himself, at some point during his carreer, in his will to conduct a perfect defense with fact but no beliefs.
He never believed his clients innocence, he just wanted them innocent...for him, not for the others.
He clearly never cared about them, they could have been guilty or not, he simply wanted to satisfy his will of "perfect" defense.
But when Zachary revealed his lack of humanity during the game, he completely lose it and planned both him and Pheonix deceit (and god he was patient for it, like really...he was really determined to kill them...wow)
@@themastermindvigilante4029 Huh. Kristoph really is kinda like Manfred. Neat.
Few really understand that Phoenix is a genius, even in the newer games. His style was never meant to reflect a detective. He ALWAYS has and has been a DEFENSE ATTORNEY through and through. He is meant to question everything the prosecution throws at him. The fact Wright canonically never suffered a penalty from a series famous for save scumming is a testament how quick he is on his feet despite always saying that he is currently bluffing. I never saw it that way, that he Deus ex Machina's his way to victory. Because if that was the case, then the game would NEVER be satisfying or fun in the slightest. The devs really ought to tone down his inner dialogue of bluffing and boost his confidence a little. Wright really is an awesome protagonist, and a very original rendition of a genius. It makes him relatable, without having to sacrifice the fact that he is also special as well.
Simple fact that Kristoph will never understand. Phoenix doesn’t practice law for fame. He does it to find the truth. He doesn’t care if some of his actions or mistakes causes him embarrassment. If it’ll help him find the truth it’s more than worth it. All that “professionalism” that Kristoph values so much doesn’t mean anything if you’re corrupt and only care about appearance.
Kristoph was way too psychotic and narcissistic to ever understand that
Kristoph dosent even believe in the innocence of his own clients thats why he was planning on using forged evidence to win the Gramarye Case
I was not expecting Adachi to appear at the end.
You got to be honest he roasted Kristoph really hard love that evil guy
You know what I would like to see next? An episode where Phoenix and Klavier have a talk and Klavier has a breakdown in from of him apologizing for everything. Phoenix forgives him as well as Ema
Ngl that isn't a bad idea, but it would make a short video probably. I'll keep it in mind to see if it comes in handy for a scene in a future vid or something. Thanks for the suggestion!
@@debastiansebeste no problemo
He gave a child poison. Something like forgiveness would be hard to imagine.
@@dard2240 Wrong Gavin brother
@@dard2240 yeah the one who gave the poison to Vera Misham was Kristoph Gavin, not Klavier. Klavier is an absolute cinnamon roll 😁
7:15 is the best moment hands down I couldn't stop laughing
It's those moments when Klavier can't keep his inner rockstar under control :p
Alternative title:
Kristoph loses to his jealousy to insanity.
Oh damn this is awesome.
Honestly, I like to think that Kristoph was somewhat a moral man when he first started his Defense Attorney career, but then the ending of T&T happened and all that.
Overall, this was a great vid about Kristoph. I love this lol. :D
Glad you liked it mate! Yeah I also want to believe that Kristoph could have been a legit attorney before he got sick with his envy of Wright, though him poisoning the Mishams makes it kinda hard to think he wasn't always at least a bit psycho xD
@@debastiansebeste True. He could've been a bit psycho, but he could've still had some moralities, lol.
@@debastiansebeste SPOILER
Nobody can be born evil, it’s always circumstances and relationships that can turn someone like that.
For Kristoph, it’s clearly his lack of humanity, turning his will to be the perfect lawyer that made him forbid his human quality and praising his pride.
In a way, he was for Phœnix who Manfred was for Hunter: both of them lost themselves cause of their pride and their lack of human decency, leading them to murder a lawyer who proved Manfred’s wrongdoings and dethroned him from his throne of lies and deceit as Kristoph killed an innocent magician, a painter and even tried to murder an innocent girl (still a faker but we can’t really blamed her in this case...she was kinda used by her father...) just because of his pride and to try to protect himself. Both of them are horrible men but seriously, they are great antagonists and masterminds.
Who could have even think to murder someone after 7 years and without even physically being on the crime scene while the murder happened, even Mr Reus dodn’t think of that in SoJ.
@@themastermindvigilante4029 Well, I've read that Kristoph was bound to have a tragic backstory of him saving Klavier as kids, which would explain his hand scar and why he's such a narcissist. But Takumi didn't add it in as they ran out of time.
I wish we had seen it tbh, humanizing villains is one of my favourite tropes.
@@debastiansebeste So, perhaps he would felt the guilt of failing to save him and this obsession will lead him to completely lose all humanity and emotions just for the care of victory ? Yeah, in a way, that could have been a possible way to explain things even if his motive rest really shitty.
But that’s why i love this character, because i can hate him for his motive, considering he’s a good antagonist.
You are really good at these backscenes. You even added such a tiny detail as Kristoph fixing his glasses, giving Vera the opportunity to see a demon face.
It's also interesting how Kristoph Gavin is a lot like Manfred von Karma (no, I'm not about their German origin) as both are very skilled and capable lawyers who can win almost any case, but both of them are insecure enough to forge evidence as some kind of "insuranse".
Thanks to you, I imagine that whenever Klavier goes house hunting, the first thing he does is bang on the walls and go: "Mmm-Mmm, Sturdy ^_^"
That wall slam exists for a reason 😂
Phoenix deserved his reputation honestly, taking Manfred Von Karma down is no joke since the old man had a 40 year win record save for that penalty Gregory Edgeworth gave to him
At least Miles changed his ways after being defeated by Wright, Kristoph is just a man driven by anger and hate toward the ex-lawyer who got him convicted of murder
>Insults Wright the whole time calling him inferior
>Relies on Forging Evidence
Tremendous Logic roght there.
Also the thumbnail makes it look like Phoenix and Zak are the playground bullies laughing at him, which it's probably how he thinks it is.
Yeah, that was exactly my intention with the thumbnail, Kristoph feeling cornered and belittled by people he thinks look down on him :D
By the way, there is one headcanon thing that is mentioned by some fiction writers (and probably not only them, IDK) and as I think it is logical enough to fit in AA plot
Firstly some facts.
1. Klavier was interested in music much more than in law that is seen by his appearance, and it was said several times that Klavier started learning law because of his brother, who guided him to the "justice"
2. As we can see in AA4, Kristoph's hand was wounded so much that it had to be stitched.
So the version says that Kristoph initially was also more interested in music (specifically, in violin playing) but then he damaged his arm so much he could not carry on his passion. As a result, he became much more focused on studying law, thus becoming a defence attorney.
So his grudges and actions could be also a result of his shattered love to music; Zak's rejection has proven him he's not good even at law he also liked; so he did gamer things in order to prove himself that Zak was wrong. But in the end it was Phoenix whose game it was all along.
I had heard the part of Kristoph getting his hand scar due to an accident (was legit something Shu Takumi wanted to add in the game but didn't have time), and this violin theory makes it much more interesting. Thanks for sharing!
ooh that's a cool headcanon! thanks for sharing, it makes sense
Interesing headcanon!
Even after all of that… his plan backfired 7 years later… Thanks Apollo Justice for setting things right!
Seeing how it fits perfectly is so cannon, I wouldn't be surprised that Capcom could reveal something to that effect. It sounds logical, relevant, I can't shake an idea that we would have theories or books about the series in which we would find that kind of events.
Great work.
Yeah imho I wish Capcom would make a few special AA vids filling in these gaps.
Also thanks! 😁
It's really cool how it shows the formation of his black psyche locks, by him reaching a near-breaking point, but then shoving those feelings down and and just refusing to engage with them. That not only makes perfect sense regarding how the conversation in the game plays out when Phoenix discovers them, it's also quite realistic for someone as conceited and ostensibly narcissistic as Kristoph. Some great writing here!
Thank you! The black locks part was my personal favourite from this vid so I'm glad you appreciated it 😁
The story of how Kristoph got his black psyche locks huh,
One might think his reasons for doing all that he did are petty but the psyche locks say otherwise
There's a lot we don't really know about kristoph and may never know because capcom wants to pretend that aj doesn't exist :(
Kristoph is a pretty scary villain imo, like they say "all it takes is one bad day to reduce the sanest man alive to lunacy" and its sadly accurate to real life sometimes
This was good, keep at it
More importantly I hope making these is fun, your health is important and you don't have to make these if you don't want to
About the psyche locks, yeah. Kristoph was more complex of a villain than I expected, and I was wondering at first what his psyche locks were about. Some fans said he simply didn't want to tell Wright the truth of killing Zak, but I preferred to go with the "denying the truth even to oneself" path, of him not willing to accept that Wright was a better attorney than him.
And thanks friend. I did rush things a bit early in the channel to make 2-3 vids per week, and had some nights with 3-4 hours of sleep, but now I'm taking it easier. Thanks for the concern ;)
I know everything there is to know
Kristoph has always been an enigma. It's very interesting to see a more clear motive of why he would do all of this.
Even though i recognized adachi's theme from the anime i didn't expect him to appear at the end... Also this pretty damn good! It's just like an extension of the original story!!!!
Happy to see someone recognize Adachi's theme so quick 😁
Tbh I thought that Adachi and Kristoph had some similarities (like Adachi's jealousy of Yu Narukami and Kristoph's envy of Wright etc) and I thought Adachi's theme would fit.
But then I was like "Wouldn't Adachi himself ALSO fit? Hmmm" xD
(Hello fellow Eikichi pfp who's also an Ace Attorney fan 👋)
And same even if his theme was here, i wasn't expected him to appears lmao
@@LestatHallwardHolmes Hello There
Ngl this makes me even more sympathetic for Kristoph, yes he’s evil but it’s more of a psychological issue! Amazing work!!!
This made me feel the opposite. I understand he wanted to make a name for himself, but the dude had no respect for Phoenix and had a superiority complex. He then went on to went on and ruin 6 people's lives just to bolster his career. Thankfully Phoenix stopped him before he corrupted Apollo.
@@wingadept8793 yeah, he went too far when he planned to kill the Mishams (especially little Vera) before he even got fired by Zak, just so he wouldn't leave a trace behind. The dude was ruthless
@@wingadept8793 but he is, that’s the thing
Kristoph is portrayed as calculating and good while Phoenix (as good as he is) really does rely a lot on bluffs, luck, etc
@@jamespreston4211 I fail to see how this made him look more sympathetic. It's like the video said, the dude is insane. He's a wolf in sheep's clothing simply because things didn't go his way. He ruined a man's reputation, poisoned an innocent girl after manipulating her, killed what could've been his client years later, leaving his daughter an orphan until Phoenix came in. He's a good VILLAIN, but not a sympathetic one.
@@wingadept8793 well, you could say he did have some far-fetchedly logical reasons to believe that Wright counted too much on luck and bluffs to win, while he was cold and fully calculating and professional, but still couldn't even come up to par with Wright in terms of victories and recognition. That part could be understandable, that he felt it was unfair.
But imo that's where it stops. If he stopped at the forging I'd almost forgive him (he'd frame Valant for Magnifi's death, and Valant sort of had it coming for framing Enigmar anyway). But after he poisoned the Mishams, disbarred Wright and even killed Enigmar? Just nope.
So, you could say he had a sooort of sympathetic start, and then turned into an insane lunatic with no redeemable qualities
thank you for giving Kristoph the closure capcom couldn't
(also that little sprite gag at 7:13 was a cool touch)
I always try to have sprites interact a bit in my vids. Glad you liked it 😁
I haven't watched this video but I bet the story's analysis and delivery is wrong
@@yourknightmannyso what do you think after watching the video?
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hah, I haven't watched the video at all still. But I will watch it if you want. Mostly because the word 'vergessen' rings a bell.
@@yourknightmanny idk where you are from but "vergessen" means forgot in German haha
Why do think the delivery is wrong?
the dark age of the law started with kristoph and it ended with phoenix wright
I absolutely love how you made it feel like Klavier was manipulated by Kristoph. I absolutely love it❤️
To be completely fair, Klavier and Kristoph's dialogue existed in game (Klavier's off screen flashback) as follows:
KR: ...Klavier.
KL: Kristoph...? Odd seeing you at the prosecutor's office the day before the trial.
KR: Ah... I won't be appearing in the trial, actually.
KL: Huh? Why not...?
KR: I won't be facing off with you on your first trial, apparently. ...But in exchange, I brought information.
KL: Information...?
KR: The attorney who'll be there in my place tomorrow is not to be trusted. Don't even give him the benefit of your respect. Listen... ...I want you to call in a special witness. Then... ......
I just added my own bits in between :p
THIS IS REALLY GOOD!! IT'S REALLY WELL MADE! The Adachi part was hilazrious though I did not see it coming.
I absolutely love this!! The quality is so high and the way the characters are portrayed feels just like the games!
Also Kristoph’s line at 7:16 made me laugh. It was unexpected and hilarious lol
Man's got standards, he wants no rockstar hands in his face
Glad to keep you entertained 😁
This is masterfully done, and I could EASILY see this being in the game! Well done!
A selfish request, could you by chance someday do a scene with Phoenix visiting Iris? I'd like to think they remained good friends and he visited her when he could.
Even though it's done by others before, I've thought about it too! I'm currently avoiding it as I'm still in research of lore and don't want to get anything wrong regarding Iris' backstory and personality and her potential interaction with Wright. But expect to see something about it in the future - sooner or later 😅
@@debastiansebeste I thank you. I look forward to it.
@@debastiansebeste Another idea as well because I know you put a lot of love and attention to your vids. Perhaps we can have a meeting between Iris and Pearl in the same video maybe? Since they are technically sisters.
@@wingadept8793 doesn't sound bad either. Hadn't thought about that interaction tbh. Though I imagine a Pearl/Dahlia meeting, but that would be more chaotic and far less wholesome xD
Psychopath meets Misanthrope
YESS CALLED IT AND LETS GOO
Yep, the poll's prediction was correct after all 😁
I love the more serious videos you make about AA, I would love to see more!
Glad you do! 😁
What an epic video. I am astonished by the quality. Apollo Justice never revealed the true depth of Kristoph's character, so thanks for doing it instead.
My pelasure, mate! AJ deifnitely should have shown us a little more details on Kristoph's backstory, it would have had more impact on his downfall for us then
Fantastic video, this is exactly the stuff I like to see in terms of AA fancontent. 10 out of 10, looking forward to the next one
I'm honored to hear that and hope you like the next one too 😁
If I were to be picky at something, it would be that Vera said that when Kristoph gave her the "charm", she either saw the devil or an angel on him, so maybe a little pause as a reaction of some kind would've been perfect.
That aside, I really enjoyed the watch, I started to play the investigations games just so I could see most of your videos without getting spoilers!
Keep that up!
If I recall correctly, back then I had thought about showing her reaction to his hand but decided to scrap it as some sort of "Kristoph didn't notice her reaction" or something, I think.
Thanks and hope you enjoy the Investigations games 😁
What's worse for Kristoph, betrayed by your own student and brother, getting beaten up in prison from multiple inmates who have bonds with phoinex, or found out that the man who you beat by forging evidence was pulling all the strings and has more tricks up his sleeves then some of the court's biggest members can ever have
Phoenix before AJ: Funny cinnamon roll
Phoenix during AJ: *menace*
Phoenix after AJ: Serious cinnamon roll
Phoenix went through a phase just to destroy Kristoph Gavin lmao
@@debastiansebeste yep phoinex pulled all the strings and got Kristoph imprisoned after a 7 year planning with Edgeworth probably
This video is awesome
I wish there were more videos about Kristoph
Zak Engimar was a discerning man, now that I think about it. I love this story you've written! Some of the most satisfying fics I've found bridge that sort we know in canon, where we knew of past events but not a beat for beat recount of what happened. It makes canon events as we know it, that occur, tenfold more satisfying and give it an added weight?
Also, I realised he manipulated two little girls? Seriously! What's his problem!
I think if he ever tried to speak to me as a kid, I'd probably disobey him just because, Christ.
AND ADACHI???????? WHY ARE YOU HERE???
this is really good. i especially loved the black and white scene where it cuts to phoneix's poses and Kristoph's thoughts
Bro, these vids are a helluva treat after work, trust me YOU EVEN HAD THE GUTS TO GET ADACHI IN THE PICTURE
Damn right! I got Adachi's theme in, the least I could do as a huge fan was to add Adachi himself as well 😂
Glad you liked it btw 😁😁
@@debastiansebeste sick work
Great background on my favorite character! Would love to see a follow-up or a pt. 2 with who got introduced at the end
That guy's a spoiler from Persona 4. I'll put some info below, I suggest you don't read it if you ever want to play the game or watch the anime as it'll ruin the experience
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That guy's Tohru Adachi, a detective from Persona 4 who was jailed for committing a couple murders. He had several similarities with Kristoph, as in he was jealous of the main character (thought he had earned everything unfairly unlike him who had lost a lot), thought he was worthy while everyone else wasn't, and that life was unfair to him. But most of all the mc thought of him as a true friend, and beat him in the end similar to how Kristoph was supposedly Phoenix's friend but was beaten by him in the end.
The black psyche locks appearing when Kristoph said he wasn't inferior to Wright was so funny. 🤣
It's nice to picture Kristoph as someone who secretly despised Phoenix from the start but managed to hold it together around him to keep up appearances. It's like what Manfred von Karma did as Edgeworth's surrogate father.
This is a very good take on what might've went through Kristoph Gavin's head. It's fluid and very on point with the lore.
I like it. I despise Kristoph Gavin, but I definitely enjoyed this video. Especially the end was a little treat.
Yeah Gavin is unrepentant and unforgivable after all. Pretty similar to the final guest of the vid, just as he told him xD
Hi Papa!
@@trucywright3463 Hello Trucy, how are you?
@@milesedgeworth1208 Hey Papa, I just saw this bc Daddy grounded me for the last 6 days T^T
But anyways I’m pretty good-
@@trucywright3463 _What-_ Whatever made your father decide to ground you?
...did you burn down the kitchen, *again?*
“Why the hell did Trite just throw his life away??”
"This is a magic charm, it will protect you from all harm." *Shows her as a kid biting her nails.*
*Flashforwards to her trial, she bites her nails and a few minutes later...*
This man manages to be, I would say, as monstruous as Dahlia. Plus, they both have a kink for poison.
Poison is a coward's weapon, but at the same time it's the most efficient in hiding the perpetrator's tracks. You could say that Dahlia and Kristoph were the most cautions culprits, but at the same time some of the most ruthless too
@@debastiansebeste Thanks for the reply! By the way, what is the name of the first music? When Kristoph is being overwhelmed by envy?
@@Maneru5978late reply lmao, sorry. It's "A Downfall", Adachi's flashback theme from Persona 4 Golden the anime
is it bad that this made me feel bad for Kristoph? he's truly a disgusting man and no sad backstory will ever change that but... the fact that he did all those horrible things because deep down he hated himself is tragic. Kristoph is my favourite ace attorney villain and i wonder about his motivations so much, and this video expands on what we already know about him from the game so beautifully!
You realize how little self-confidence he had when you see him forge evidence in order to win against his first timer rookie brother. Dude kept telling himself about his grandeur, and then he proceeded to underestimate his own ability to think he couldn't win against Klavier without cheating :p
Really interesting ! It really looks like official dialogues, really love it ! (And damn... Kristoph really have a pattern : tricking little girls 😭)
Adachi at the end made me laugh 😭
Thanks mate! Kristoph did have that angelic look that tricked little girls and made them trust him when he was devil incarnate lol
And Adachi always has the last laugh 😈
@@debastiansebeste Adachi collab letsago
@@sixteenthbluemoon7606 got something on the works. Expect to see a full Ace Attorney-Persona crossover vid someday in the future ;)
@@debastiansebeste Kuzunoha Agency might fit AA's setting too.
P3-P5 has their colorful cast that could also fit anywhere in AA too
Damn, Thalassa looks absolutely fantastic with Trucy Wright's outfit 1:49
Hard agree. When I saw her I just couldn't NOT show even a glimpse of her sprite xD
Hey, Mr. Sebeste?
Thank you for keeping your promise!
😉
@@debastiansebeste you know... I feel so bad for Klavier.. he’s good friends with me but he has nobody left and criminals took advantage of him,
"Descent to Insanity" is accurate. Kristoph Gavin went off the deep end from Phoenix Wright's unconventional tactics in the courtroom. Besides, no other defense attorney could pull off a win against Manfred Von Karma the way Phoenix Wright did. Especially considering Wright was talking off the top of his head when he suggested the missing bullet from Yanni Yogi's service weapon wasn't found because it hit the true culprit of the DL-6 incident. There's also the matter of using Spirit Channeling in the courtroom for results that are bonkers. To top it all off, Wright performed an exorcism right in the courtroom, proving in the Ace Attorney universe that the concept of ghosts is not just fairy tales and hokum.
Kristoph Manipulated:
-Drew
-Klavier
-Trucy
-Vera
Thats wild to think about
He was quite formidable of an enemy
@@debastiansebeste he definitely goes to the ranks of people like simon, dahlia, Manfred, and phantom they all just have control over the entire situations they are in
@@rudysarmiento8700 damn right. They're the big baddies of their respective games for a reason. Absolutely cool, all of them
Woah, I went into this thinking it was a memey video, it ended up being really interesting lol
Kristoph is real creepy with the kids
What's interesting about Kristoph, is that he never confessed anything. Thus his actions are left to be interpreted in any way. But what doesn't sit well with this interpretation is the fact of Black Psyche-Locks that Wright saw in the end of Apollo Justice. Dual Destinies later revealed that these signify memory that is buried away even for the person itself. Something that Kristoph himself has no evident memory of. And I don't think that it's due of the fact that Zak fired him. It doesn't seem that it's correct, especially since that was public opinion. There is an interesting custom case at aaonilne, called Turnabout Trickery. Tldr of it: What if Kristoph never intended any of this? But the fact that Zak escaped ruined his plans? Kristoph could've intended to cause a turnabout of his own by saving Wright at the last moment, saying that page is not evidence, but a representation of that there could be page of diary that was ripped out. Aka, nothing was forged, and this page simply shows possibility, just like Phoenix did to Apollo in first case with bloody ace.
Idk, but i got that as headcanon for me.
Still good video tho, can't deny that this could also be the case.
Kristoph doing everything he did so that he'd save Wright in the last moment sounds like way more of a stretch to me than my own version xD
In his last trial Kristoph still admitted that Zak Gramarye deserved to die for firing him over a game of poker. The fact that he always went "oh, but I confess nothing, I just say that he deserved it", plus his reaction during his breakdown which could easily emulate someone becoming broken due to their black locks breaking, are sufficient enough evidence about what the case was with him imho
Reason why he would save Wright in trial wasn't to save, but to humiliate Phoenix, Klavier and Zak too.
Phoenix is too much of a second-rate, thus he misused the page
Klavier blindly believed Kristoph, his to-be-enemy
Zak was a fool to fire Kristoph, which almost costed him a life.
In that way, Kristoph would satisfy his prideful ego, and boost his reputation.
@@user-xe9xc5lp2d while it sounds interesting, I feel we have almost zero hints from the canon Kristoph for anything like this actually being the case
Jesus, if Manfred was still alive and Kristoph had worked with him, I guarantee Phoenix would've been assassinated.
True, they'd make a terrible duo. The good thing is that Manfred would never cooperate with a mere measley defense attorney like Kristoph, so Phoenix was kinda safe from that xD
@@debastiansebeste but Dahlia tho... If she possessed someone and visited Kristoph, Phoenix better hide
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Manfred would appreciate Kristoph’s fondness of forging evidence, and most likely would work with Kristoph in assassinating Wright.
To be fair to Kristoph, going through all of this internal rage, doing your "best" to get your client an acquittal... then finally losing your client because you lost a game of poker.
I would understand why he would go insane.
Not that this justifies his actions. I'm just saying I understand.
I'd understand him too, if he hadn't tried to murder the Mishams before Zak fired him
@@debastiansebeste Okay you know what, that's actually entirely fair. Kristoph deserves the death sentence.
i like this, it shows how kristoph could've been a great and likeable defense attorney but his jealousy and pride threw him down the drain of commiting murder, forging, and even disbarring phoenix. my only complaint is in the start of the videos, there are some parts where kristoph has a one-on-one negotiation with characters like zak gramarye and vera misham, you could've made it slightly better by having kristoph narrate as if you were playing phoenix in that situation, what i mean is during the investigation parts of AA you can see phoenix talking but his sprite never appears
Nope. Never. Not better, doing so would have made it far worse for my tastes. That's one of my weak spots. I *hate* the 1st-person scenes, so even in scenes that were 1st person for Phoenix Wright you'll see in my videos that I always show even Phoenix (in his 3d sprites instead).
I never liked the choice of the main character not appearing during conversations because of it being 1st person. I always need to see the character's face and expressions, especially during inner monologues xD
(much better for me was in the Edgeworth games where we always see Edgeworth during conversations and inner dialogue scenes)
Other than that, glad you liked the vid :D
THIS IS SO COOL
Okay I'm leaving this comment before I even watch the full video but:
I just wanted to say about the black psyche locks. After going about 6 years of real world time before we get an explanation and how they work in Dual Destinies, going back to Kristoph's subconscious desire to keep secret his motive for killing Zak Gramarye trigging the locks made me realize something.
We saw the black locks come off of Athena, but we never saw them actually come off on screen on kristoff that I realized the explanation in DD said that if you're not careful at removing those locks, you could permanently damage a person's soul. In other words, I believe that is why Kristoph Gavin looked like that at the end of the game. He got completely insane from the black locks crushing his very soul, leaving an insane shell of his former "coolest defense in the west" self.
I'm willing to bet this will be covered in this video, so here I go
Athena was lucky to actually be free of her locks
Adachi did evil stuff too but after learning his speech I can't help but agree to what he said. He knows the world is a complete trash of society and what hits hard the most is that even police and attorneys can't be trusted
Well, don't get me wrong, I am a big Adachi fan and it's true that society can be very trash-like, but that still doesn't justify him killing two innocent women for not wanting him :p
He was correct on some of his words, and seeing his past in P4G enhances this, but still he was too twisted on the whole
Its a video like this that really makes me wish Kristoph appeared in another game outside of Apollo justice he is way to interesting of a character to relegate to a single game heck I even have idea for if he were to theoretically return.
I said my boy will bamboozle people and here we are.
Great video as always.
Glad you enjoyed it mate! 😁
Ayo when's Capcom hiring you to write the next game
I wish 😂
Nice vid, subscribed. Keep up the good stuff!
Thanks mate! And welcome aboard! 😁
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Idea for a new video maybe, also spoilers for apollo justice
idk what the fan theories say about this but they never tell you explicitly who shot Thalassa during the rehearsal incident, I think one of these videos addressing the topic could prove very interesting, and I'd like to hear your theory even though I have one of my own
I was thinking about that as well tbh. It would be even better imho if it was neither Valant nor Zak, but actually a third one? Like [SoJ spoilers]
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Roger Retinz? Sounds like a good idea, and I might explore it after I've played Spirit of Justice
I also believe it was a third person (although I had not considered that person. It's an interesting possibility) in fact I think the game heavily implies it could not have been Zak for a few reasons
@@santiagorodriguez2940 You think it could have been Valant?
I've also heard the theory of Magnifi himself being the shooter, to ensnare his students. But I'd rather not believe the man would go as far as to shoot his own daughter to turn his pupils into his slaves xD
@@debastiansebeste I think it's Magnifi, yes. Here it goes:
Considering how Thalassa was so randomly reborn as Lamiroir in a completely different country and had no memory of her past it's clear someone must've known something about her, and who would know if not magnifi? I mean, not even Zak knew. And if either Zak or Valant were the ones who shot her there'd be no reason for her to manipulate BOTH into doing his bidding. Especially since, as I said before, it couldn't possibly be Zak, and magnifi was giving Zak the rights to his magic, so why would he coerce Zak?
And magnifi could know which gun did it with ballistic marks analysis. In 4-4 Klavier says that they would've been able to find out which gun shot magnifi had they had more time
And since Magnifi was the superior magician he could've easily engineered some sort of trick to get the job done without zak and valant noticing
As for motive considering how wicked magnifi was, I wouldn't put it past him to "sacrifice" his daughter to have his 2 mentors doing his bidding for the rest of his life
@@santiagorodriguez2940 damn that's sick ngl. But to be fair, Magnifi certainly was the one who sent Thalassa to Borginia to make his pupils think they killed her, so on second thought I wouldn't have him be above such an act.
But I still thought it was an accident. I mean, both Valant and Zak knew they were using real bullets at the time and thought they just missed. Maybe that could be Magnifi's plan all along, introducing this specific trick so that Thalassa would get shot and he would exploit her?
But I still don't see how much of a profit Magnifi would have to set up Zak and Valant like that. Because of fthat they'd leave the Troupe and make their own successful show, stealing away from his own fame?
Dude a wholesome representation of Kriptoph's thoughs.
Kristoph giving a child poison is a problem in itself. If only he had more screen time...
just wish they let us break the black locks in AA apollo justice
They probably did break when Kristoph had his breakdown. But we didn't see it because at the time we were Apollo unfortunately :p
Dun dun DUN - time to catch up on videos
I have not been able to stop screaming since adachi came on screen!
Mission accomplished then
I think it’d be hilarious if we had an AA game where they had to defend a metaverse user
I want to see Godot and Klavier interact, if we are to assume they’re both still in prison, right?
Godot and Kristoph you mean?
@@debastiansebeste I do- lmao
Idk how you do it, but you always write the most in character stories and tie ins for these characters. It makes total sense that gavin would forge his evidence then wright would mistakenly take it in to use.
Someone needs to submit your vids to a capcom executive if you wouldn't yourself
Thanks ! But tbh, I believe it takes more than making vids of filling script gaps and off-screen scenes for me to be hired by a global-level japanese company like Capcom 😅
Still thank you for your kind words, means a lot! 😁
video idea: (spoilers for AAI1and2 + Apollo Justice)
Disbarred Wright and Edgeworth have a chat about the former's forgery stunt and other stuff like raising Trucy.
I've thought of that myself, though I don't know if it would work as a standalone.
But it would definitely fit if I ever make a vid about Wright's early years after his disbarment
@@debastiansebeste I'd love to see it soon!
phoenix wright was justified to forge evidence to get revenge on kristoph for making him lose his badge
True. Was it ethical? Probably not.
But was it Kristoph's just deserts for his actions? Damn straight it was
A pt2
There will definitely be one eventually ;)
Adachi is the most unexpected thing in this video
His P4GA ost playing at 4:12 was a major tease for his imminent appearance xD
Could some please tell me what the music is at 0:41? I’ve been trying to find this particular piece, and yet I just can’t. Please tell me if anyone knows. Thanks.
To be fair many people have already asked in this comment section and I've answered all of them :p it's A Downfall from Persona 4 Golden the animation
@@debastiansebestethanks my friend. I appreciate it. Keep up the good work!
Part of me finds it kinda funny that Kristoph, in his immense lake of salt, points out Phoenix is the protégé of Mia, calling her a legendary attorney and Phoenix not worth that title because of his ton of bluffing,
when, in her first two cases (the only two we know she took the lead in), Mia likely had to resort to bluffs about as much as Phoenix. It's practically par for the course if you're an Ace Attorney protag (not named Edgeworth). '^^
Funny thing is, Mia bluffed less than Phoenix by a ton in both her trials, and she always had a snarkiness, swagger and confidence that she was on the right direction.
She didn't really do what Phoenix constantly did in the trilogy. Which is him in repeat: "Uh oh, we've lost big time. I must think up of an unbelievable statement that can keep the trial going. *statement miraculously happens to be true* Whaaaat!? I was actually right!? I mean, of course I was! >:)"
I didn't expect that end/
Just a small extra treat for Persona 4 fans 😁
What's the name of the song that's used when kristoff gets fired
@@sorith5664 A Downfall, from Persona 4
Haha, part of the soundtrack reminded me on „Burn my Dread“ so I suppose it was taken from Persona 3 or 4?
Yeah, it's actually parts of "A Downfall" from Persona 4 Golden the animation, it plays during Adachi's past ;)
@@debastiansebeste thanks
Why the hell is freaking Tohru Adachi in the same cell as Kristoph?! Is Persona and Ace Attorney in the same universe?! (At least... In this continuity?)
Yes they are because I love P4 xD and expect to see a full crossover trial someday 😁
The one thing I don't get are the Black Psyche locks forming. It makes zero sense when you consider what they are, as told in Dual Destinies.
The way I wrote it, I imagined Kristoph's black locks are because he decided to deny even to himself that Wright could be a better attorney than him. So he hid the truth in his subconscious
There's a blatant contradiction in that, though. As we see with Athena when her Psyche locks, she appears to be on the verge of a complete mental breakdown as she realizes everything and talks about it in court. The locks breaking manifested physically like a massive headache painful enough to at least start yelling and screaming.
However, in game with Kristoph, such an occurrence doesn't even happen until well after he has talked about what happened at length.
In fact, I would go as far as to venture that his locks have more to do with his ideals getting tangled up into so many knots, rather than the Zak and Phoenix fiasco. Kristoph, according to Klavier, actually focused on pointing out contradictions in the law at one point, with Klavier lamenting that Kristoph seemed to stop that for some reason.
Perhaps Kristoph ran into so many contradictions that subconsciously, he gave up and locked it away, believing the law to be absolute from that point onward. It was everything. Phoenix introducing the Jurist system, however, started to reawaken that side that wanted to find the contradictions. However, because Klavier had conformed too much, I imagine that the locks broke and drove him even further into madness, which is something Pearl states is a possibility in Dual Destinies, when the Black Locks are removed by force.
@@lucinavonnolaran8728 that's one more and quite detailed way to see it I suppose
Since u have done a phoenix in aai2 how about a small apperance in aai1 at the steel samurai show, unless that was private and i forgot
Well, if I did now, the following scene from one of my other vids would be odd xD
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@@debastiansebeste damn thats tough, would have been nice tho
Well, this WAS predictable, although I ended up sharing my vote between Athena and Kris in the end. This video is my new complete headcanon about Kris and no one can change my mind. Oh, and before I forget...
what the hell was that ending lol
The guy at the ending is a big spoiler for Persona 4. Spoilers following, I suggest you don't read if you ever wanna play the game or watch the anime
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That guy's Tohru Adachi, a detective who was jailed for committing a few murders. He had several similarities with Kristoph, as in he was jealous of the main character (thought he had earned everything unfairly unlike him who had lost a lot), thought he was worthy while everyone else wasn't, and that life was unfair to him. But most of all the mc thought of him as a true friend, and beat him in the end similar to how Kristoph was supposedly Phoenix's friend but was beaten by him in the end.
Don't mind me, I'm just a big Persona 4 fan and wanted to fit Adachi somewhere xD
@@debastiansebeste Oh shoot
Persona is in my watchlist for a while already, I better not read it. Well, at least I know that guy has a reason to be there, that is... something, ig
@@notaissoeumanota7502 definitely watch it, it's worth it (at least in my humble opinion). And if you do, watch the Golden animation as well. It expands nicely on this particular character ;)
Cool video but zak wasnt Enigma at his trial. He was zak
That's incorrect. "Zak Gramarye" was the man's stage name. His real name is Shadi Enigmar. After he left Trucy and disappeared he changed his name to "Shadi Smith". Check the wiki too if you don't believe me.
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What’s the music that starts at 0:41 if I may ask?
A Downfall from Persona 4 Golden the animation
Thx a lot.
Hey do you know the soundtrack that plays at 0:40
"A Downfall" from Persona 4 Golden Animation. Plays during Adachi's flashback scene
What song is it playing at the end?
Iirc it's Truth 2009 from Investigations 1
Ok but who the heck is the dude at the end talking to Gavin ? And say, this last scene IS taking place after Apollo Justice, once Kristoph's in jail, right ?
Yes it does. And this guy at the end is a major spoiler for Persona 4
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He's Tohru Adachi
@@debastiansebeste i don't mind spoiling myself dw, thanks anyway !
I could never figure out the theme for 8:08, may i ask what is it please?
It's the Truth2009 from Investigations 1
@@debastiansebeste thank you, one of my favorite themes I keep hearing and didn't know what game
One small issue, why is kristoph calling zak the magician, enigmar? Cuz enigmar is the "alter ego" after escaping and a time skip of 7 years
Nope. As it says on 2:00 Zak Gramarye is his stage name. The man's real name is Shadi Enigmar. Which is why he changed it into Shadi Smith later on. After all, Trucy's real name before Wright adopted her was also Trucy Enigmar
@@debastiansebeste must have forgotten, its been a while since i saw AJ
@@er_xungoh no probs, the whole ordeal of Enigmar and his several fake identifies always boggled me as well xD
Was that a persona character or am i just seing thjbgs😭😭😭😭
Yessir. Spoilers for Persona 4 actually, following. Don't read if you ever wanna play the game or watch the anime
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That's Tohru Adachi
@@debastiansebeste OMG ITS THE OTHER DETECTIVE I FORGOT
@@vinitytheperfumebottle yep, Dojima's partner ;)
who is the prisoner with kristoph?
He's a spoiler from Persona 4. Putting spoilers below, I suggest you don't read if you ever want to play the game or watch the anime as it will ruin the experience 😉
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That guy's Tohru Adachi, a detective who was jailed for committing a few murders. He had several similarities with Kristoph, as in he was jealous of the main character (thought he had earned everything unfairly unlike him who had lost a lot), thought he was worthy while everyone else wasn't, and that life was unfair to him. But most of all the mc thought of him as a true friend, and beat him in the end similar to how Kristoph was supposedly Phoenix's friend but was beaten by him in the end.