This video saved my snare mixing. All of the advice here is quite different from the usual ones online and definitely got me the sound I like the best out of all the suggestions online.
Being a musician who records rather than having a lot of mixing or engineering experience this video was just brilliant. Thanks for presenting it in such a clear, interesting and easy to understand way. Always grateful to people willing to do these vids to help the rest of us. Liked and subscribed.
Thank you for the kind words, DarkenJax! I'm really happy you enjoyed the tut and glad you were able to understand it easily :-) My pleasure to be of help. Please feel free to email me if there's anything you need. All the best! - Pete
No level matching cheated the ears here. The snare became all about high-end. And yes it's good ton inspire peoples with tricks and tips, but please people, don't copy/paste EQ curve it doesn't make any sense. You can take the basic idea (like "hmmm clever to boost like crazy the high-end on the kick and putting the EQ before the comp on the channelstrip"), but don't do like "ho I boost +12db at 8khz, I'll do the same !"). Every takes from every instruments as a different resonant peak and fundamental. Anyway, nice video, it's super clean editing.
True, the underlying concept used judiciously per song is the important part, but he’s a terrific youtuber who needs to have a solid “hook” for his videos. He has that here. And, I think, showcasing such concepts almost as a caricature of itself is a solid way of demonstrating a technique. Great video; let’s all keep using our ears and taste per song 🍻👍🏼
Tom and Chris Lord Alge do add that much top end on kick and snare all the time. The idea is to start from there and then tweak to taste. I’ve seen Tom do that 8k boost ( Really more like 7.2k on kicks and 6-8k on snares) twice.
great video! i learned a lot! in recent videos i saw cla adding 8k a lot, but also adding a sh**load of 150hz to the snare and tons of 50hz to the kick. it seems you just boosted the highs, but i think his "trick" is boosting the highs and lows, don´t you think?!
Hey Frederik, I'm glad you liked the vid! :-) Yeah, I've seen Chris boost the low end as well... Chris gets a lot of his "overall" low end from his 2Buss chain which includes a pair of EQP-1S3's... I think the low end freq he picks is a case by case basis on drums, especially if he chooses to use drum samples. The 3 main moves I've seen him do (consistently) on the drums is top out 8k on the high shelf, bottom out 500hz (or there about... he's looking to get rid of that boxy/nasal thing) with the narrowest bandwidth the SSL allows, and then look for the "knock" or attack between 800hz and 5k. I'm just sharing what I've seen and experienced... not saying this is The CLA Gospel or anything like that, haha. Just trying to share what I know and have seen so everyone watching can try them out and apply these similar techniques on their drums. I appreciate your comment :-)
I've seen CLA do that as well, and I was wondering if that would be touched on in this video, but the drums sound phenomenal as they were mixed in this vid so I guess he didn't need to :P
I was curious as well, just for my own knowledge. The drums sound great but was there a reason for taking out low information on the kick out rather than boosting it? and when you say 2buss chain, do you mean parallel?
No worries, Vaughan! The reason I cut some lows on the KICK OUT mic is because I must have heard some muddy build up there... The Kick OUT mic will always have much more low end information in it as opposed to the Kick IN (assuming theyre mic'd correctly). The idea of a Kick In mic is to capture the attack/click of the beater head while the Kick Out mic captures the fullness, girth, and overall low end thump of the kick. Because there is often low end build up on the Kick Out (this can happen on the Kick In as well), I like to tame the muddier areas. Cutting frequencies can have the same effect as boosting... If by removing a muddy or boxy low frequency, it will usually make the Kick sound bigger because its now more clean and focused (or whatever instrument we're doing the same thing to). As with most mix decisions, they're usually track contingent. Hope that helps! ;-)
Great video! Definitely in my top to watch along with Pensado's Place, Pro Audio Files, Recording Revolution, Produce Like a Pro! Love how detailed you are with everything. Subscribed and will continue watching! Thanks!
Hey TK! I'm really glad to hear you're enjoying the videos! Those are all great sites... David Glenn and Graham Cochrane are dear friends of mine. You have good taste, lol. Thanks for subscribing and watching ;-)
Snare sounds kinda papery. Maybe just a preference but I prefer snare to have some beef. Seems like snare bottom mic is unnecessary in this instance. Kick sounds excellent though.
Haha. Jason, I DID NOT use any samples... The drums were tracked really well by the producer and engineer so it sure made life easy! That's what I always say: getting the sound you want during the recording phase is the most important aspect of making a record (aside from actually having great songs to track, haha). When I have clients send me sessions that sound amazing, the tracks mix themselves... THANKS for watching, and you're very welcome for the tut! ;-)
Pete! Good man! Love your videos. Can you do a video on how you hook up midi to UA interface? I wonder others, like me, have an analog synth they want to sync to pro tools clock but have UA interface which does not have midi IO
Timmy Fazini Hey Timmy! Thanks for the kind words! Really glad to hear you're enjoying the content 🤙😊 I'll make a note here and see what I can do in regards to that. I personally don't run any MIDI devices in my studio into my Apollos at the moment, but I do have an electric piano I am interested in hooking up through MIDI. So I'll see what I can do 😉
Thanks Fer! Yeah, I have an Elysia mPressor on the drum buss knocking off a few db and Im compressing the drums in parallel with a UAD Rev A 1176 (silverface/bluestripe) :-)
Nice. You use the UAD SSL. Did you compare to the Waves SSL ? I ask this question, because after realizing some frequency analysis of the VMR SSL, the Waves E channel and the T-rack Britich Black knob emolution, none of them has the same curve at 8K shelf, nor at 3K on the high mid knob (Green). For ex, At 3k position, the Slate is 2,2Khz, waves is 3,8Khz... I don't have access to the UAD SSL Channel strip, so I could not compare. would you mind to make a test of it ?
Hey Christian. I unfortunately don't have the Waves SSL Channel Strip as Im not a huge fan of it. I'm not saying anything negative about it or Waves... I just personally love the UAD emulation and feel its the most authentic sounding to the actual console. I'm a pretty big UAD user and fan. In my humble opinion they make the best plugins on the planet. BUT REMEMBER: Its the Wizard, never the Wand... Good technique and acquired skill sets always trumps gear ;-) Cheers!
This reminds me of a meeting I had many years ago. I was responsible for giving a vitally important sales presentation to a large bank in which I used a new-fangled presentation easel that came in a tube. You simply grabbed the handle, clicked a switch (like a trigger-type deal) and the easel unfolded with a snap into a tripod and a support upon which one could rest the graphical presentation boards. After the pitch, I asked, "Well, what do you think?" To which the bank VP replied, "We're not interested in your services, but where did you get that easel?" (Not saying this presentation was worse than the screen cap software ... just reminded me of an awkward moment I'd hoped to forget.)
I'm glad you like the kick sound, Arkadiusz! Unfortunately, i didn't record the kit... My client tracked in Charleston and L.A. w/ his producer and sent me the sessions to mix. Thanks for watching! ;-)
Hey David! Fantastic question! There's most definitely a reason I went with the "Black Knob" version instead of the brown... The original and early model SSL E-Channel consoles (pre 1983) were brown knob. SSL designed the black knob desks in conjunction with George Martin when he opened the famous AIR Studios in '83. Theres a tonal difference in the EQ's. The Q curves and filter slopes are more gentle in the brown knob (brown filters have a 12 db p/octave slope and the black is an 18). They also have less gain on tap than the black knob. The Black knob is able to to +/- 18db of gain while the brown is +/- 15db. So overall the black knob desk is able to get a bit more aggressive and extreme when EQ'ing than the brown. I tend to pick one or the other depending on the session and what I feel the tracks call for :-)
@@morganthem how am I going to know that BEFORE I experience it? I know lots of people who share the same complaint regarding pushy content producers. The fact is, if the channel is as you say 'good' I would not require any encouragement to hit the subscribe button. By attempting to send me that way before I actually have a valid reason for doing so is only going to annoy me and create instant dissent. Which it did. Go figure.
Sorry, I really don't like that snare sound very well. Sloppy on the top end. Reminds me of the sound you get when you play the snare with a broken stick and the snare wires are a little too loose. I think your drummer needs to spend more time on drum tuning before you track.
Maybe pout you pleading for subscribers at the end of the video, once people have an idea if your videos are good or not. 'Please subscribe before you view my video.' Cart before the horse.
Yes, just interesting and welldone - aahhhm - ähhm - aahhm - If Not ALMOST EVERY SINGLE SENTENCE was busted with "ah...m's, aah's or ääähm's". Man thats really childish and so unprepared and after few minutes I can't stand these absolutely unnecessary "aaaahhhm - ääähhm - ahhh ' s ". Without that mindkillers it would be really okay. Sorry for these honest words...
It's basic, not a trick...and this really has nothing to do with CLA either..click bait words in the title. The info is fine though..just typical things.
This video saved my snare mixing. All of the advice here is quite different from the usual ones online and definitely got me the sound I like the best out of all the suggestions online.
Being a musician who records rather than having a lot of mixing or engineering experience this video was just brilliant. Thanks for presenting it in such a clear, interesting and easy to understand way. Always grateful to people willing to do these vids to help the rest of us. Liked and subscribed.
Thank you for the kind words, DarkenJax! I'm really happy you enjoyed the tut and glad you were able to understand it easily :-) My pleasure to be of help. Please feel free to email me if there's anything you need. All the best!
- Pete
No level matching cheated the ears here. The snare became all about high-end.
And yes it's good ton inspire peoples with tricks and tips, but please people, don't copy/paste EQ curve it doesn't make any sense. You can take the basic idea (like "hmmm clever to boost like crazy the high-end on the kick and putting the EQ before the comp on the channelstrip"), but don't do like "ho I boost +12db at 8khz, I'll do the same !"). Every takes from every instruments as a different resonant peak and fundamental.
Anyway, nice video, it's super clean editing.
True, the underlying concept used judiciously per song is the important part, but he’s a terrific youtuber who needs to have a solid “hook” for his videos. He has that here. And, I think, showcasing such concepts almost as a caricature of itself is a solid way of demonstrating a technique. Great video; let’s all keep using our ears and taste per song 🍻👍🏼
Tom and Chris Lord Alge do add that much top end on kick and snare all the time. The idea is to start from there and then tweak to taste. I’ve seen Tom do that 8k boost ( Really more like 7.2k on kicks and 6-8k on snares) twice.
Indeed they do.
great video! i learned a lot! in recent videos i saw cla adding 8k a lot, but also adding a sh**load of 150hz to the snare and tons of 50hz to the kick. it seems you just boosted the highs, but i think his "trick" is boosting the highs and lows, don´t you think?!
Hey Frederik, I'm glad you liked the vid! :-) Yeah, I've seen Chris boost the low end as well... Chris gets a lot of his "overall" low end from his 2Buss chain which includes a pair of EQP-1S3's... I think the low end freq he picks is a case by case basis on drums, especially if he chooses to use drum samples. The 3 main moves I've seen him do (consistently) on the drums is top out 8k on the high shelf, bottom out 500hz (or there about... he's looking to get rid of that boxy/nasal thing) with the narrowest bandwidth the SSL allows, and then look for the "knock" or attack between 800hz and 5k. I'm just sharing what I've seen and experienced... not saying this is The CLA Gospel or anything like that, haha. Just trying to share what I know and have seen so everyone watching can try them out and apply these similar techniques on their drums. I appreciate your comment :-)
I've seen CLA do that as well, and I was wondering if that would be touched on in this video, but the drums sound phenomenal as they were mixed in this vid so I guess he didn't need to :P
Thanks, Andy ;-)
I was curious as well, just for my own knowledge. The drums sound great but was there a reason for taking out low information on the kick out rather than boosting it? and when you say 2buss chain, do you mean parallel?
No worries, Vaughan! The reason I cut some lows on the KICK OUT mic is because I must have heard some muddy build up there... The Kick OUT mic will always have much more low end information in it as opposed to the Kick IN (assuming theyre mic'd correctly). The idea of a Kick In mic is to capture the attack/click of the beater head while the Kick Out mic captures the fullness, girth, and overall low end thump of the kick. Because there is often low end build up on the Kick Out (this can happen on the Kick In as well), I like to tame the muddier areas. Cutting frequencies can have the same effect as boosting... If by removing a muddy or boxy low frequency, it will usually make the Kick sound bigger because its now more clean and focused (or whatever instrument we're doing the same thing to). As with most mix decisions, they're usually track contingent. Hope that helps! ;-)
Good stuff! Thanx! You didn't show what is in the VMR before the SSL strip on kick and snare?
Thanks, Timo! The only thing Im using the VMR for is the VCC which is set to the SSL G desk setting across the whole mix :-)
Sounds great. I'm always looking to improve my mixing skills. very helpful video. Liked and subbed!
+Kinkade Thanks, Kinkade! I appreciate it :-) I hope you enjoy the rest of the videos! Cheers!
- Pete
Great video! Definitely in my top to watch along with Pensado's Place, Pro Audio Files, Recording Revolution, Produce Like a Pro! Love how detailed you are with everything. Subscribed and will continue watching! Thanks!
Hey TK! I'm really glad to hear you're enjoying the videos! Those are all great sites... David Glenn and Graham Cochrane are dear friends of mine. You have good taste, lol. Thanks for subscribing and watching ;-)
Absolutely man!
Very REM meets blues traveler meets counting crows track
killer stuff, man
Youre spot on! Thanks! :-)
Meets gin blossoms
Congrats man. I really like the way you mix. Where can we see your discography?
Excellent Vid , that is real information with the practice
Glad you enjoyed it! :-)
Nice alt country track. I wish I got stuff like that to change it up from the metal stuff.
Thanks for the tip, You the man Pete!!!!!
My pleasure, Kris! Thanks! ;-)
Cheers for the video mate. Hope all is well- peace.
You're very welcome, Tony!! Same to you, brother! All the best ;-)
throwing this on the next Audio Ecstasy Productions mix for sure
Awesome, Brandon! Let me know how it goes :-)
Snare sounds kinda papery. Maybe just a preference but I prefer snare to have some beef. Seems like snare bottom mic is unnecessary in this instance. Kick sounds excellent though.
Thank you for a great video, what type of headphones are you using?
Thanks for the video! Really cool dude
My pleasure! All the best! ;-)
Thanks a lot, man! Rocking.
Tell me you didn't end up using samples... Spend all that time mixing and already have a great drum sound.
Thanks for the tutorial!
Haha. Jason, I DID NOT use any samples... The drums were tracked really well by the producer and engineer so it sure made life easy! That's what I always say: getting the sound you want during the recording phase is the most important aspect of making a record (aside from actually having great songs to track, haha). When I have clients send me sessions that sound amazing, the tracks mix themselves... THANKS for watching, and you're very welcome for the tut! ;-)
Nice, Bro Which PT version are you using, and does it need Avid I/O to run daw ?
Pete! Good man! Love your videos. Can you do a video on how you hook up midi to UA interface? I wonder others, like me, have an analog synth they want to sync to pro tools clock but have UA interface which does not have midi IO
Timmy Fazini Hey Timmy! Thanks for the kind words! Really glad to hear you're enjoying the content 🤙😊 I'll make a note here and see what I can do in regards to that. I personally don't run any MIDI devices in my studio into my Apollos at the moment, but I do have an electric piano I am interested in hooking up through MIDI. So I'll see what I can do 😉
Mix Better Now thanks man! I know you have a bunch of topics that are prob more requested but, figured it was worth the ask.
I like your videos very much for the tips. But honestly I havent heard a good mix yet in these videos. But it's free and thank you for your time!
Awesome video. Thanks.
No parallel compression? or 2bus compression? sounds awesome! very punchy and "in your face".
Thanks Fer! Yeah, I have an Elysia mPressor on the drum buss knocking off a few db and Im compressing the drums in parallel with a UAD Rev A 1176 (silverface/bluestripe) :-)
Mix Better Now OK, yes I was hearing a 1176 comrpession type somewhere. Again, sounds awesome. Thanks.
You're very welcome! :-)
Nice. You use the UAD SSL. Did you compare to the Waves SSL ? I ask this question, because after realizing some frequency analysis of the VMR SSL, the Waves E channel and the T-rack Britich Black knob emolution, none of them has the same curve at 8K shelf, nor at 3K on the high mid knob (Green). For ex, At 3k position, the Slate is 2,2Khz, waves is 3,8Khz... I don't have access to the UAD SSL Channel strip, so I could not compare. would you mind to make a test of it ?
Hey Christian. I unfortunately don't have the Waves SSL Channel Strip as Im not a huge fan of it. I'm not saying anything negative about it or Waves... I just personally love the UAD emulation and feel its the most authentic sounding to the actual console. I'm a pretty big UAD user and fan. In my humble opinion they make the best plugins on the planet. BUT REMEMBER: Its the Wizard, never the Wand... Good technique and acquired skill sets always trumps gear ;-) Cheers!
Enjoyed, liked, and subbed.......Thanks for the great video.. God Bless...
Thanks a lot, Carlos! My pleasure :-)
good tutorial,BTW, what's the screen capture software you used ?
Thanks, Jerome! I use Screenflow v6 :-) Cheers!
This reminds me of a meeting I had many years ago. I was responsible for giving a vitally important sales presentation to a large bank in which I used a new-fangled presentation easel that came in a tube. You simply grabbed the handle, clicked a switch (like a trigger-type deal) and the easel unfolded with a snap into a tripod and a support upon which one could rest the graphical presentation boards. After the pitch, I asked, "Well, what do you think?" To which the bank VP replied, "We're not interested in your services, but where did you get that easel?" (Not saying this presentation was worse than the screen cap software ... just reminded me of an awkward moment I'd hoped to forget.)
Can you explain about the routing of "Kick In" and " Kick Out"? This is just duplicate drum track and parrallel process, isn't it?
Great Vid ,thanks a lot
You're welcome :-)
great vid man thanks!
My pleasure, Reuben! :-)
Hi, what's the difference between the ssl g channel strip compressor and the ssl g master bus compressor?
Love that beefy kick sound! How did you mic it up?
I'm glad you like the kick sound, Arkadiusz! Unfortunately, i didn't record the kit... My client tracked in Charleston and L.A. w/ his producer and sent me the sessions to mix. Thanks for watching! ;-)
Any reason you went for the black knobs instead of brown knobs?
Hey David! Fantastic question! There's most definitely a reason I went with the "Black Knob" version instead of the brown... The original and early model SSL E-Channel consoles (pre 1983) were brown knob. SSL designed the black knob desks in conjunction with George Martin when he opened the famous AIR Studios in '83. Theres a tonal difference in the EQ's. The Q curves and filter slopes are more gentle in the brown knob (brown filters have a 12 db p/octave slope and the black is an 18). They also have less gain on tap than the black knob. The Black knob is able to to +/- 18db of gain while the brown is +/- 15db. So overall the black knob desk is able to get a bit more aggressive and extreme when EQ'ing than the brown. I tend to pick one or the other depending on the session and what I feel the tracks call for :-)
Mix Better Now
Is it true the black knob has a tighter more focused low end?
This guy has all the daws
Me too - BitTorrent is a Miracle
like and subs ! Thanks for your videos man!
Enrico Ambrosio Thanks a lot, Enrico! I appreciate it! 🤙😊
TIP: don't ask me to like and subscribe to anything BEFORE I experienced it?
But... it's a good channel basil
@@morganthem how am I going to know that BEFORE I experience it? I know lots of people who share the same complaint regarding pushy content producers. The fact is, if the channel is as you say 'good' I would not require any encouragement to hit the subscribe button. By attempting to send me that way before I actually have a valid reason for doing so is only going to annoy me and create instant dissent. Which it did. Go figure.
@@BasilSimon idk relax? Take it in stride? Cool out
@@morganthem I'm cool bro... Just keeping it real and.... Trying to help you ?
*I have the WaveAudio SSL 4000 plugins which is better?*
The one you have is always the best ;-)
thanks for you efforts but volume matching would have been nice....ta though
Sorry, I really don't like that snare sound very well. Sloppy on the top end. Reminds me of the sound you get when you play the snare with a broken stick and the snare wires are a little too loose. I think your drummer needs to spend more time on drum tuning before you track.
i subscribed and did like,
Thanks!
dont worry about others.. use your own ears. every song, drummer, kit and room are different,,, snare sounds quite ringy... good video though
Really bad guitar string squeaks at around :54.
Please autotune that harmonica solo, it almost broke my spine..
i dont think you know what a trick consists of
Maybe pout you pleading for subscribers at the end of the video, once people have an idea if your videos are good or not. 'Please subscribe before you view my video.' Cart before the horse.
Why do these videos always feature boring music.
Yes, just interesting and welldone - aahhhm - ähhm - aahhm - If Not ALMOST EVERY SINGLE SENTENCE was busted with "ah...m's, aah's or ääähm's". Man thats really childish and so unprepared and after few minutes I can't stand these absolutely unnecessary "aaaahhhm - ääähhm - ahhh ' s ". Without that mindkillers it would be really okay. Sorry for these honest words...
walter2145 wow... feeling stressed or anything? 😏
Trick? This is the most basic stuff I could imagine.
Depends how much knowledge you have as to whether or not this is "basic stuff"
It's basic, not a trick...and this really has nothing to do with CLA either..click bait words in the title. The info is fine though..just typical things.
dislike because..... Drums dose not sound like CLA's Drums...
Cause CLA use other snare samples in and add lot of stuff! ;)
If the Drums (Snare) Sound dose not like CLA , then Why you name it " The CLA SSL Drum MIX" ?????
Bingo ;-)