Run Hide Fight, Looking at The Daily Wire's First Movie
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- Опубліковано 30 січ 2021
- This is a sad video. Yes, there are some jokes at the expense of a terrible movie, but it turns out a school shooting is not ripe territory for humour. And the last couple of minutes when things get real are particularly tough. I inserted a fairly heavy handed warning at that part of the video, so please take it seriously if you only tuned in to watch a video about a bad movie.
Originally this video was going to open with a joke about Ben Shapiro inspiring a shooting, but honestly, there are enough downers in this video that it didn't need another reminder of a tragedy. At the very least, I'm happy I was able to have this one go out on a laugh. That particular clip will probably come up in a future video.
The comparison between The Joker and Tristan was first made in a review of Run Hide Fight from The Daily Telegraph (linked below), but was slightly expanded upon by me.
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"They did it because they were evil" isn't necessarily a bad motivation for a villain, but it's an awful motivation for a school-shooting set in reality.
Reason for Sauron to raise an army of orcs to take middle earth? Sure.
Kind of reminds me of an argument made by Jordan Peterson…I would say he was on the right track w a statement about how anyone could b a Nazi but he horribly butchered it when he stuck the landing
He just said anyone can b psychopath everyone is evil and has an evil nature to them which also felt rly dumbed down. The argument comes to mind if we dont remember our history we’re doomed to repeat it and w stuff like this if we don’t understand y this tragedy happened we’re doomed to have another one
That’s the stupidest reason I’ve ever heard
And it's a thought-terminating cliche when people apply it to reality, which is exactly why people do it. There's no need to even think about matters of mental health, social issues, media influences, escalation of bullying, or any of that. Nope: Just 'Evil.'
And if you don't join in the punishing of evil, then you must be evil too.
Really? The columbine dudes could have been the baddies in this movie.
Ben: this movie is to START a conversation!
Jose: why those teens have all those guns? where did they get them???
Ben:...no!
There parents? They didn't get them from a shop.
Where did they get an MP40?
@@GlareanLiebertine he got into a TARDIS and stole one
@@bluefacebaby9334 Great! All I gotta do is find a Time Lord and steal their TARDIS and I should be good! Now how do I fake a hyper-advanced device or an alien invasion to get one of those schmucks to take the bait?
@@GlareanLiebertine That's what I couldn't help but think the whole time. I don't know quite how to explain it but it was oddly cartoonish to see one of them running around with an MP40 of all things. Like how do you take this movie seriously when one of them appears to be a cartoon villain.
I cracked up at "Instead of starting a UA-cam channel where he complains about women in Star Wars". Perfectly nailed the demographic.
That might have made for a better movie. The question is, which genre would a story of such a teen starts a UA-cam channel to complain about women in Star Wars would be a fit.
@@3baxcba comedy
@@pitbullnamedcupcake8485 Better get good writers and producers behind it because if it's written by that director or the creepy executive of that production, the movie will show it's age and not in a good way much less a in a genuine funny way.
Art is about exploring new ideas no wonder there aren't many successful conservatives in the art world
Well futurism, dadaism and other famous art movements have artists directly associated with fascism and traditionalism for example.
@@CarangaGAThere's a difference between fascism/traditionalism and conservatism though.
Since the concept of conservatism is keeping things the same, the art is, well, the same commonplace art we have today. At the very least fascist or traditional art is different even if the difference is less wholesome.
Open conservatives are black balled in Hollywood. You aren’t more creative than others just cause you like when men put on dresses
@@thunderspark1536I wouldn’t actually say fascism is a entirely right leaning thing either, it’s more of a bell curve of how much you’re willing to listen
@@peanutbutter2586 Fascism is entirely right wing. So right wing that the NSDAP sat on the far right opposite to the far left, the communist party KPD, in the Reichstag. So it is literally and proverbially correct to say that fascism is far right and not just leaning.
“Don’t focus on the difficult upbringings of the shooter” is an interesting statement coming from the people who want desperately want to focus on mental health rather than gun control
Not really. They don't want to focus on either of those things. Their preferred response is to dismiss shootings as just 'because evil,' refuse to discuss the cause in any more depth than that, and focus on how to kill the attackers as swiftly as possible to minimise damage. These solutions can involve putting armed security guards in schools, ways to ensure rapid police response, and arming the teachers.
That way the shooter can only get one or two shots off because the hero kills him.
It's not about mental health, it's about homeless, unborn veterans. And no, we will not be approving any funding for them, either.
actually they usually mean “Christ and institutionalized corporal punishment” when they say that
@@calcifieddirt4120 there it is.
What’s wild is how conservatives peddling their new “mental illness” angle manage to overlook two major, demonstrable facts … namely,
1) that as a group, people who suffer from mental illness are among the _LEAST_-likely to have at any point COMMITTED a violent crime,
and
2) that as a group, people who suffer from mental illness are among the _MOST_-likely to have at some point become the VICTIMS of a violent crime!!
The single thing most shared in common by people who commit gun crimes-whether that’s mass shootings, spree killings, domestic violence, premeditated murders, or unpremeditated homicides-is having acquired one or more guns … which points undeniably towards the need for national gun registries, tight regulations on sales, banning whole classes of weapons and of ammunition, seizing guns from domestic abusers and from other criminal offenders, tight regulations on weapons transportation and storage, banning open carry, tightly restricting concealed carry … basically, following Switzerland’s model.
But in their rush to distract from that fact-and to sell more guns, and to create their brownshirt army, and to ultimately destabilize democracy in favor of an outright Putin/Orbán-style oligarchy-gun lobbyists and the Koch Donor Network, acting through the conservative lawmakers in their pockets, are choosing to further stigmatize human beings who suffer from mental illness-a demographic who, if anything, are among the _most_ likely to become the _victims_ of violent crime, and who are often in the direst need of society’s protection and compassion.
It’s like they’ve gone beyond coming up with just the wrong answer, and have come up instead with the most perversely glue-is-good-food pants-on-head wrong answer.
My man, I shuddered when the director claimed that the movie was 'escapism.'
I love how he completely missed the point in that statement.
@@meganfaith4052 how?
@@notonfire7318 We are talking about school shootings here not some Young adult novels. This is a very real problem which needs an end but to say it is escapism is just sad
@@dr.tariquehussainkhan631 oh wait I thought that comment used 'he' for jose
@@notonfire7318 oh sorry if I came off as rude then
“God allows the wicked to do their wickedness… so they can be judged.”
So God sits back and lets children die so he can tell the person who killed them it was bad. Great argument, buddy
Someone needs Jesus in there life
@@jacksennielsen4471 No one's going to take you seriously when you spell there instead of their.
And shouldn't God care more about protecting the innocent instead of allowing the wicked the right to hurt them?
@@kennethcroft-oh1gh I’m a hardcore republican, what I meant was how this moron was against god. And thank you by the way for correcting me on my grammar.
@@kennethcroft-oh1gh before i say this, im agnostic and dont believe in god, but a christian would probably argue that prioritising that would remove humanities free will to choose or refuse god because Adam and Eve disobeyed him and gave humans the ability to sin. This argument is all sorts of flawed but thats probably what they’d respond with.
@@kitsune630 Sadly, I've actually heard that argument used. Flawed is the right word.
27:24 Matthew Walsh,a dumb slasher film or a movie about a bear on cocaine is escapism but you seem to forget that THIS MOVIE IS EVERY HIGHSCHOOL STUDENTS FEAR. You can say it’s escapism because you never have to step foot into a school again but for dozens of parents THIS IS MAKING A MOCKERY OF THE WAY THEIR CHILD DIED
(Sorry If I phrased it poorly just needed to say this)
Yeah his kids are home schooled. So he doesn't need to worry about that.
Spoken like someone who's never been through an active shooter drill. Or has never had their fire drill have you hide in the classroom first because if a fire alarm does go off it's more likely to be a shooter. Or has never had friends die in a real shooting. Matt Walsh gets to enjoy it while everyone who's been a real school since Columbine has to live it
@@justanotheranimeprofilepic What's worse. Matt was born in 1986. He would have 13-14 when Columbine happened.
Matt Walsh is advocating to lower the age of consent so he probably isn’t even allowed to enter with in 5000 ft of a high school
@@RAINBOWNIGTHMAREPRODUCTIONSI mean I was in middle school when Uvalde happened.
Yeah that sucked and I was horrified but at least I knew my school wouldn’t be next.
Imagine describing a series as “edgy” and “won’t mock your values” in the same sentence
Just like that statue in the back - of Elizabeth Warren as Pocahontas, holding the clapperboard.
Edgy, yet not mocking the values of five aging white American conservative males.
"Waiter, the chipotle-mayo you brought me is too spicy. Is there a kind of spicy mayo that isn't spicy?"
I know right, it’s almost as if the right isn’t the new punk rock after all.
Conservative values are edgy, inherently
@@LimeyLassen that’s not true at all
For a group of guys who presumably “hate” Hollywood Elites - they sure do go through a lot of effort to exactly emulate those elites. Down to the red carpet and tuxedos 🤣
Yes just like the religious zealots
Isn’t this the same group of guys that worship a celebrity businessman/elitist & thinking he’s the messiah?
@@midniteryder_3-16 yep
Down to the sexual abuse of young women. 😔 It's very disheartening.
It's the same thing when conservatives dress like scientists in between bouts of mocking science. They want the clout so bad.
Let's be real the main villain's motivation was that he got cancelled on twitter for calling someone a slur. Hence the whole bit on "judge and jury, ooo I'm the executioner" type shit.
You know, I remember that one time when they made a safety drill in my school.
I have arrived a bit late when they made the announcement so it took me by surprise.
People even took me for a schoo shooter because of that.
This experiment took me to a huge roller coaster of emotions that I ended up breaking in tears since I realized shortly that I would be one of the victims if that were true.
This was a simulation but the what I've been though would have been more realistic than this movie.
"They put Die Hard into a school shooting" has the same amazingly powerful energy as "They did surgery on a grape."
Honestly, it sounds like an extended NRA propaganda video. Not a good thing by any means.
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No, not really.
Not a big tall building or a wild goose chase through new york. But a school lol.
thats like saying "they made the hindenburg burn down on the titanic"
In school teachers weren't supposed to tell us when shooters drills were happening but they always would because otherwise we genuinely believed it was going to be the day we died. The idea of anyone using that scenario for "escapism" feels so gross
Your education establishment tried to scare and scar you.
@Jack Paul it's the school's fault for having safety drills??
We only run the drills in school holidays. Which sounds silly, but this is Britain - we haven't had a school shooting since 1996, and the only purpose of the lockdown drill is to placate worried parents.
I watched the video about "conservative non-fiction", and that idea of "escapism" is very similar to how those books encourage the reader to disengage themselves from the real world struggle (which is kinda hard when their escapism doesn't shield people actually experiencing the struggle)
@@theimplications635 not sure about your school but when mine had fire drills they told us.
To be fair, had this film been made in the 80s and 90s when school shootings were either rare or underreported and was set in a dystopian future, people would’ve probably praised it.
The movie was made in 2020
@@pixelated_Nova it was a hypothetical.
Not sure what the “to be fair” bit is for. We aren’t living in the 80s.
@@runespar yeah it's a pretty hard tbf when that was 20-30 years ago when school shootings wouldn't had been topical enough to even spawn a movie like this.
It's like saying "tbf the Titanic would've been an even bigger hit in the 1910's" like yeah I guess lmao
Not much of a point being made here. A movie being made 40 years too late is an uninspired movie.
The ending just shows the daily wire never thought of this from the perspective of someone who would be involved in this. The ending is framed as the positive end to the power fantasy when in reality it’s a person ignoring the tens of more trained and less injured officers to instead go kill the bad guy herself in quite a sadistic way, while also being quite legally dubious and extra judicial. Had it been handled by someone else, the ending could be quite good and a view of trauma and it’s affects on people and their views on morality, instead we’re supposed to see an act of sadism as a good thing because it happened to a bad person. It’s quite telling that this is the way the daily wire handled it
It honestly reminds me a little of taxi driver
"If we only take proactive action, we can avoid tragedy."
"Oh, so gun control."
"No, not that."
"Okay, so broad, sweeping free mental health care to identify and care for at-risk persons before they commit, or are victims of, violent crime."
"No, not that either."
"So... Everybody learn gunkata like in Equilibrium?"
"Yes! That's the ticket."
(at the audience, someone whispers to another)
"And people wonder why we hate conservatives."
@Co M. Rayce is not really discussing the film. Rayce is discussing the means available for preventing acts of mass murder, using a reasonable interpretation of 'prevention' as meaning 'actions taken before any shooter begins killing people (ie before events in the same vein as the film 's subject matter ever occur)'. We have one proposed method in reducing firearm availability through legal means, against which your objection has been raised. Fair enough, though it's not too convincing in the absence of explicit references for the 'statistics' that supposedly indicate this is not an effective means of prevention. Other methods such as mental health care seem reasonable enough - after all, mass murder is not behaviour consistent with good mental health. Unfortunately in the USA even public funding for physical health care is an uphill battle - and often opposed by right-wing politicians - so mental health care is not as accessible as might be good for preventing crises.
@Co M. I'm pretty sure statistics don't show that, but hey, you massage those numbers any way you need to to justify your interactions with reality.
@Co M. Right? I'm sorry you can't use Google.
@Co M. @Co M. I'm confused - which claim is under discussion here? I made more than one and its not clear which one you believe to be missing evidence. As far as the 'statistics' go, I will again state that in the absence of references to specific sources of information (eg data collected by the FBI during the year of 2017 that can be found at x webpage), your assertion remains unconvincing.
The fact that we have this movie but not “Cool Cat Stops a School Shooting” is very disappointing.
No joke, I’ve been waiting to see Derek tackle this highly tragic and complex subject with the grace of a freaking bulldozer for YEARS now! The attacker’s gotta be Dirty Dog no doubt
Truly a tragic loss
@@laurenmiller9143 🤣🤣🤣
"We need to treat them as the villains they are, It can't be all about their tough childhoods [...] or the crippling circumstances they went through..."
Or how they may or may not have been inspired by right wing demagogues such as yourself, to the point of listing you by name in their manifesto.
She left the school, had a vision of her dead mom and walked back unarmed whitout calling help. Dummest main charater ever.
When I saw her aim at the boy in the orange cap without seeing his face, my initial thought was that she's going to shoot an innocent boy that she mistakes for the schoolshooter. But that ofc would be too profound a move for such a movie to do.
Ironically, it speaks loudly to the kind of sadist that conservatives would hold up as a hero: she has free reign to be as cruel as she can be, because he's the bad guy.
@@SnakeMan448 Maybe not a sadist per se, but conservatives seem to be quite fond of the idea of taking justice into one's own hands.
@@Max_Mustermann Thats how it works in Wyoming, so if that kind of justice isn't appealing to you, best stay clear of Cheyenne and Laramie.
There's nothing profound about that.
@@Max_Mustermann because law enforcement fails us time and time again and again and again and again. That's why a lot of us feel this way. I am not encouraging teenagers to try and risk their life against something as horrible and as dangerous as this, if God forbid anything ever did happen to them. But I'm just saying....What i just explained is a huge reason as to why a lot of us feel this way.
Ben is just never going to let go of the fact Hollywood rejected him for being a terrible writer.
And considering how crappy Hollywood usually is that's saying something.
@@dalekrenegade2596 for real. There's some absolute dogshit that makes it to primetime. Ben's had to be like middle school level bad
@@samuelbrown3405
It might also be that what he's writing is both extremely racist and insensitive.
But I'm sure he'll just write that off as "Telling the hard truth people don't want to hear and/or what the left doesn't want you to know"
@@lavetissene339 Relax Jussie. Ben did not write the screenplay.
Ben? When did he try to become a writer?
I think it's hilarious that the Daily Wire bought the distribution rights to the movie so that nobody can ever watch it but their own subscribers. That's a sort of self-own right there.
It's definitely an act of self-sabotage that should make any investors or financiers think twice about dealing with the Daily Wire on any movie production.
I wonder if they will apply their rock solid ideology of letting the free market speak for itself to the fact that their movie ate balls at the box office
...Did the shooter in that one scene literally say to all the other kids "this is actually your fault because you use social media"
“Cellphones Bad”
Serial killer: "I'm the creation of everyone who has ever played a Flash Adobe game."
Based Shooter
"You did this to yourselves when you didnt reply to that email and got 10 years of bad luck"
How does anyone not a Boomer take Ben Shapiro seriously?
"That hate our Gods"
Ben.
Ben you're all Abrahamics, you have the same God. Unless Ben is secretly a closet polytheist and MAN what a twist that would be.
Turns out god just had disassociative personality disorder this whole time.
They don’t seem to get why their gods deserve our hatred.
i believe he said “they hate our guts” haha
@@risingsuperstarfrost3096 But that's actually biblical canon XD It's called the trinity.
@@Jotari also the saints in Catholicism like the fire goddess Brigid of Celtic paganism being folded into the St. Bridget story. I'd imagine a lot of saints had deeds or aspects derived from preexisting deities
As a "mass violence/shooting" survivor and former hostage, I would reorder those as Run, Fight, Hide.
Also, if you actually witnessed anything and espaced, don't immediately go home. Find the local "staging area" because various groups including the police and media will definitely want to interview/question you
It always amuses me when conservatives complain about movies and TV being "leftist propaganda". They're just basic morality tales that we've taught children forever (kindness to others, sharing, compassion, not judging people, not being a bigot, y'know, kid shit), it's not Hollywoods fault Conservative values are so completely at odds with being a good person🤷♀️
I'm conservatiive. Not extreme in any way. I actually lean sometimes more towards independent. I do agree with some liberal things. For example, I am pro-choice. But anyway....all that to say that I agree with you 100%. I don't see movies and TV as being left leaning. It's like you said....just basic human decency and not being a peice of sh*t human being.
I can't stand when the super extreme conservatives give us such a bad name. It's embarrassing.
@@kassygendron3022 would you consider yourself a conservative in purely forms like gun control, the free market, etc. as opposed to the more… I don’t know how to put this, “morality” focused sense? Like LGBTQ rights dont have much of anything to do with how we run our nation, and yet it’s a huge divide between political parties nonetheless. Abortion laws too, to a degree, since those do somewhat impact how we view and dictate bodily autonomy.
I just often see a lot of good people who would consider themselves conservative in relation to their interpretation of the constitution, gun control, socialism, etc. but because they aren’t a massive bigot they’re automatically deemed as leftist. Which I think is just kind of silly.
Edit: please let me know if I’ve used some terms incorrectly or missinterpreted something at any point, thanks!
@@snek723 Why are you so surprised that the divide between Liberal vs Conservative is about basic human decency? Of course conservatives oppose the liberals when it comes to not judging people, kindness, not being a bigot etc. What else are they going to differentiate themselves with? Both conservatism and liberalism is capitalist, most often than not militarist and pretty much functions the same with the slight difference of certain groups being or not being allowed to exist in said capitalist, militarist society.
too bad laura b is on record promoting the louden county schools in aiding the rapist while calling the rapist victims dad a terrorists for wanting justice for his daughter as is noted of the biden administration in aiding rapists and pedophiles
"Sometimes things are bad because they fail in what they try to achieve. Sometimes tho, they are bad because they succeed, and the thing they were trying to achieve is tasteless and stupid"
-Ben "Yhatzee" Croshaw
This movie doesn't succeed in what it tried to achieve though. It fails at being effective right wing propaganda.
@@martinsriber7760 but it's good at two thing. Validating the manipulated, & letting everyone else know who not to associate
@@martinsriber7760 I dunno, I don't think its goal was to persuade anyone who wasn't already in their camp to join them. Rather, it seemed the kind of film designed to pander to the very base that these people are a part of, to confirm to them (through cinematic narrative) that the fantasy of being able to repel a school shooter with pluck and firearms is both possible and plausible.
People learn about the world through narratives. Film, television and other media convey narratives about the nature of the world that we learn, internalize and build into a part of our worldview. Like TV series 24 demonstrating to its audience that torture works, with the series even being cited in the dissenting brief in the Supreme Court case on torture. This film seems designed as an ego buffer, designed to demonstrate that such a scenario could plausibly work out. Thing is, it's a constructed and controlled narrative, and no matter how much sense it makes to its creators, it'll never prove that the strategy of run, hide, fight would actually work in real life.
So it'll never convince anyone who wasn't already a believer. It's the God's Not Dead of right-wing firearms activism. And, like God's Not Dead, it warps reality to make its narrative make sense.
Benjamin Godzilla Yahtzee Croshaw
Ay it's our *boi*
Ben saying his movie is push back against liberal Hollywood is like saying, "I'm sick of superhero movies, so watch my film. It's about a guy who gets bit by a radioactive wombat, puts on a costume and fights crime."
Combat Wombat: Origins
I feel like I might actually want to watch that movie 😂
Replace wombats with emus and you got yourself a deal. They won a war you know.
No I'm not joking.
@@dalekrenegade2596 It wasn't a fair fight... The emus had the numbers... Mankind only had a couple of machine guns... What were they supposed to do? Build fences? That's ridiculous! What world is that where a man has to build a fence to protect his crops instead of slaughtering emus with artillery strikes? 😀
@@dalekrenegade2596 emus are the superior species in the planet, they're just letting us live in their backyard
I went to the trailer of the original movie to leave a dislike and hate comment, and wasn’t expecting so many people praising its concept and execution. Incredibly disheartening on so many different levels
They moderate the comments and remove anything contradictory to it being 'the best movie ever made'. 110k views, 100 comments
@@bananaducc7918Of fucking course they do
@@brawler5760So much for “meh free speech.”
The whole "freedom of speech" argument from the right is just people facing consequences and claiming it's unfair. People don't want to support individuals who hold ideals they believe are abhorent or have committed horrifying actions and people not doing so harms companies who in turn may potentially not hire individuals.
The right want to stop people facing consequences and whenever they have a career issue blame it on people "cancelling them" rather than their personal failures.
I remember when he reviewed Parasite and he just called it "okay" or something and admitted he couldn't finish it I think. Someone like that has no business in film and he shouldn't be surprised why that industry rejected him.
He was probably offended by it, and goddamned right he should not be involved in filmmaking, there's already too many obnoxious libs in Hollywood or pretentious libertarians (Zack Snyder). I wish Hollywood was the leftist machine these people make it out to be
@@alonsoarana5307 I'm sorry you feel that way? I have no idea what Zack Snyder's political leanings are, and I know people who no him personally, and work in the same industry - I'm guessing you don't? He's widely regarded as a very nice and professional guy. I don't know, or don't care whether Ben was "offended by it". Lots of films offend me too. It's his inability to grasp what makes a great film great. That has literally nothing to do with the political leanings of the film. I probably won't watch "Run, Hide, Fight" but the shots Jose posted show his crew had no idea how to construct a proper shot, or knew the basics of cinematography. I get that this is sort of a love letter to John McTiernon, but John McTiernon went to Julliard and the AFI film conservatory and these guys clearly did not.
@@TheFortressMaximus Zack Snyder is nice but is very libertarian. His own production company's name is an Ayn Rand reference. I personally don't care about his leanings, as his movies are simply awful.
@@derektran9404 He's hit and miss.
@@TheFortressMaximus Mostly miss imo, I liked Dawn of the Dead but all the others seem blinded by the idea of "I have a few good ideas for cool shots, I'm gonna just stuff whatever in between and call it a movie"
These people would literally rather have children fight for their lives instead of regulating guns in any way
You should look at Thomas Sowell on gun regulations. He compared the U.S to other countries and pointed out that other nations have much higher crime rates and a similar amount of deaths per capita.
@@ianpage2509 which countries and which crimes
@@compa6251 "the ones I looked at"
@@IrisXen bruh he literally said "yo this goof said it so it's true" and didn't even bother looking at his sources
So much for being pro "life"
I wish they’d made the shooters left leaning. “If we had tighter gun regulations, this would be less likely to happen!”
A movie that tackles a shooting of young people- not in a school but still very much the same kind of thing- is Utøya: July 22, in which the shooter is never even seen. Instead, the entire movie is focused exclusively on the victims, and our POV as an audience is also a girl. Shot entirely in one take, it captures the randomness of it all, some characters survive merely because the shooter failed to see them, or missed; we spend a lot of time with those who die, there is no sugarcoating how horrible everything truly is but the focus is exclusively on the victims.
And while this perspective of zeroing in on the victims alone and not consider the shooter is obviously not the only one, it is a way of honoring their memory and of making sure he does not come across as "cool".
Because- and I cannot for the life of me understand why- Tristan comes across as actually sexy in a bad-boy kind of way. Of course he is a caricature and Ben and co. may be surprised that I would be willing to bet good money on the fact that a lot of his audience was half-rooting for Tristan all along.
As to the way in which the subject of good availability is not even touched upon in this movie: I like to remind American gun nutters that in my small country of Portugal, we have had zero school shooting. We also have strict gun laws. Now, I know this doesn't make much an impact on them but given they immediately reply with variations of "shithole country", I cannot help wondering if, in a way, it does not actually upset them more than they are willing to admit. This constant anger is...telling, to say the least.
I'll take "shithole country" where I can safely go to school without having to worry about being shot dead than their sick version of 'Murica any day of the week and twice on Sundays.
As an aside, I was a teen during Columbine- barely younger than the shooters themselves- and clearly remember being absolutely petrified. We discussed it between classes, "What would you do?" and if things were to happen, who would do it...?
And this in a country where, again, school shooting never happened...it still bothered, worried, and stressed out for a long, long time.
So I cannot even begin to imagine what this does to survivors and to every single American kid who, before setting out to school in the morning, genuinely worries, "Will I or any of my friends be shot dead today?" THAT is a tragedy that must touch...many, many, many children.
But hey, if only they learned how to fight, huh? /s.
It's worth noting that school shooters are largely inspired or at least heavily invested in right wing ideologies. This goes back to the original shooters at Columbine, who wanted to beat Timothy Mcveigh's "score."
So basically CIA assets
@@AjaxNixon Careful dude. That shit'll get you killed
The two Columbine shooters were inspired by Hitler and natural selection…which r things that I’ve heard thrown around a lot on the right
Yeah Eric explicitly said that he wanted to BLOW UP his school, not shoot it up. When the bombing failed, the went straight to shooting
@@historycritic4184 one of them was inspired by doom
(Im not saying games cause violence he was already violent it just inspired him)
I love how the people that liked this movie call it "real and honest" and then call it "escapism".
They seriously made a movie about a school shooting with about the same moral weight as the hostages in Paul Blart: Mall Cop
I'd just like to add this, "run, hide or fight", is specifically what you're told when they prep you for a school shooting, I was in florida schools when there was a shooting in the town over, they tell us, "run if you feel like you will be able to, hide if you can't run, fight if you must but only as a last resort." You mentioned this but I felt like adding it because it's not just some offhand thing they mention in florida schools, it's very important and is told countless times to kids.
“Villains in film have since evolved to complex people who have understandable albeit twisted motives.
..So we wanted to go back to when baddies were just evil!”
Cross a Troop/Copaganda Boomer-show like "Blue Bloods" or "Jack Ryan" with a shitty wannabe-edgy anime like "Goblin Slayer" and you will end up with a Ben Shapiro story.
@@ShadowPa1adin the jack ryan movie wasnt that bad
@@ShadowPa1adin I'm going to argue with you on Goblin Slayer. That is the most surface-level reading of the show you can possibly have when it really is a nice examination of the idea that there is a lot of crap in the world that just has to be done. It's a great look at the concept of what you do when there's no evil overlord to fight. Sure the goblins are always evil baddies, but they don't represent a people. They represent a near-constant threat to society even in times of peace and prosperity. Someone has to deal with the "goblins" of society and it's important to remember that even if you get to place where you no longer have to deal with them, they're still there. They could be a stand in for any number of things people would rather not think about. Wisecrack has a really good video going into it.
That's a lot better than anything Shapiro probably ever wrote.
This gives a lot of insight into the mindset of people like Ben Shapiro. Conservatives have a dangerously simple view of the world. There are good people, and there are bad people. Full stop. The entire world is divided in this strict dichotomy of good vs. evil, which is an extremely dangerous and tribalistic mindset. If you determine a person, or even an entire demographic of people, is "evil", you can justify doing anything to them. It is a GOOD thing that mainstream fiction has become more nuanced with its depiction of antagonists. It reminds us that even the people who are against us are still the heroes of their own story. If they do something that hurts people, we need to ask WHY they're doing such a thing. Did they have a bad home life? Did the system fail them in some way? Do they have some kind of need that isn't being met? If we find the source of the problem, we can stop the problem from even happening in the first place. Simply calling that person "evil" shuts down any further thought and only allows the problem to repeat itself into perpetuity.
@@OhAbsinthian The problem comes when you can't find a reason for it. "We Need to Talk About Kevin" is a good examination of that kind of thing. Nothing about Kevin's life says he should have turned out the way he did, and his parents are reeling trying so desperately find a reason where none exists. There's no overt signs of mental illness, nothing that screams abused.
While it's great to explore the depths of peoples' issues in hopes of helping them or understanding why, it does tend to make people unwilling to accept that the reason doesn't exist.
Not every posed question has an answer let alone an entirely satisfactory one.
"Edgy movies that won't mock your [conservative] values" is an oxymoron
I think that Goebbels would like this type of movie.
Edgy like saluting the American flag and drinking a beer.
But you have a black friend!
Oh no. It's edgy because there is a female protaganist and one of the villians smokes weed. Oh no, this movie should be banned. ah. /s
Die Hard set in a school shooting is so insulting seeing how this is something we still deal with and hasn't got better.
Thank you for covering this. I saw a trailer for it and was mostly disqusted but also partly fascinated. I don't think I would have ever actually watched it but I was morbidly curious about why someone thought it was a good idea to make this.
José you seriously don't miss
you don't either!
Make more stuff!! I love your work!!!
You guys don’t miss but we miss you every day there’s no new content :(
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This movie just proudly presents the epitome of American politics - "It's not My fault that the world is the way it is". It's American Exceptionalism down to the individual. When people shoot up a school or commit suicide (those are fairly close actually, more often than not the shooters desire to take their own lives anyway) then we can never talk about society, about bullying, about pressures, about identity. It's never our fault, we don't need to introspect - evil is just a thing that happens. The devil, some random thing that happens sometimes, not the reaction to environmental circumstances and experiences of a subject.
The lack of nuance is baffling. I mean, making a movie with strong social commentary is hard of course, but hitting all the wrong places is awfully impressive. I mean, even EVEN if they want to present some points about them as positives the movie fails. For example, You can make a strong point on how easy those kids get a gun, a few dialogues of them buying on a gunshow or something could open a conversation, the killers are obviously trouble kids, no sane one guns his schoolmates, how about making a commentary on bullying, mental health or the lack of attention the kids need, how about a police killing the girl cause in a shooting situation police have problems to identify the killer since EVERYONE can have a gun, how about presenting the traumatic effects of the shooting via the girl violently killing the guy at the end, how about the killers killing a really compromised and likeable teacher saving students by being killed as an homage to the teachers who did the same... But no, in this universe there's no nuance at all, evil exists, those kids are horrible people just because, they are not conflicted kids with troubles, just a caricature on how a school shooter is, and as such the audience just must think they are just disgusting people who deserve to die, preventing them from getting a gun? help them to step up their problems? teach the others to empathize with them before they get desperate and kill someone or themselves? That solutions are for pussies, there's no gray, they are evil and deserve to die. Or at least that's the message of this putrid display of mediocrity.
This is all correct.
And then, the conservatives ALSO have the personality that believes every SINGLE bad event is due to the systemic left. They are not at fault, it is either a different person, or a different system. Conservatism loves hating the government rather than blaming themselves for their situations. It’s so terribly sad. They are in a tragedy and they are too stupid to recognize it
Damn bro, you didn't have to write a deconstructave essay on the psychology of narcissistic racist insensitive assholes!
The idea that things are just evil and therefore we should defeat it has to be the most simpleminded thing I’ve ever heard. Anyone that thinks like that has no critical thinking skills whatsoever.
@@kaoko111 Extremism, Anti Semitism type approach. I hope you never go into politics. Extremists like you helped Hitler into power.
'Polytechnique' is a film i would recommend about a school (college) shooting that treats its subject matter with respect. It gives a voice to the victims, killed because of misogyny (the shooter didn't like women being accepted to an engineering school), rather than to the vague idea that guns should be in schools
Ben makes a big statement about how the shooters are villains and can’t be excused. About five minutes later talks about how deep his movie is like he didn’t just make the biggest back and white argument of good guy vs bad guy
After the nefarious depiction of BLM in that one book, I'm so curious to see what kind of stories Ben Shabibo's company will make.
Charlottesville:"Right's Freedom Parade"
A knock-off version of "trans person rapes indiscriminately because of bathroom bill while the left(tm) cheers" wouldn't shock me from them at this point.
@@longliverocknroll5 J.K. Rowling already has that covered though.
@@1997lordofdoom Exactly. They just need to “be inspired by” her book
@@johnnyguillotine1673 funny how they wanted freedom from Ben shapiro.
So the villain literally quotes right wing talking points. They make a "conservative" movie and still accidentally make themselves the villains. Sounds about right.
Yes, but you see, it's ultimately the commie liberals fault because (insert insane right-wing logic here).
Well, no one said they were smart...
At some point I want someone to cut through the bullshit and just be like. "You don't care about the quality. You just like the movie cause it's conservative. Stop bullshiting. You wouldn't get so upset if that wasn't true"
It would have been so easy to insert a right wing talking point about bad guys always being able to find weapons (even if they're banned") but that would have been too smart a move.
Yes
But the protagonist is also right wing
The whole film give us the messege
how to deal with shool shootings ?
More badas kids with gun !
It’s sad that in the States tragedies like this happen fairly regularly and then this fucking movie is like “Um, just stop it, it’s that easy! Sensible mental health policies and proper gun control? No, that’s socialist!”
"proper gun control" Define, please.
If you were in charge, what 3 or 4 policies would you implement? (And how?)
@@PanhandleFrank In retrospect, I don’t think any policies can help the states due to how much guns you all have in circulation. Very hard to legislate when there’s guns everywhere and state-wide policies have little impact due to how interlocked America is as a bunch of states.
@@bumperbonnie5721 Gotcha.
"Y'all don't have proper gun control!"
But aslo, "Y'all can't possibly pass proper gun control!"
GTFOHWTBS.
@@bumperbonnie5721 News flash: Out of almost 21,000 gun murders in 2021, somewhere between 100 and 700 of those were from mass shootings (depending on which definition of "mass shooting" you use).
WAY more gun murders in Dem-run $ch!tt-hole cities, between gang-bangers. But by all means, let's focus on the SMALLEST source of gun murders.
@@PanhandleFrank I suppose I've come to the realization in the past 8 months or so that there are too many guns in circulation, thanks for your keen observation skills, you somewhat noticed this.
Battle Royal (the book) did also a very good job of humanizing the teenagers. It's an dystopian tragedy and not a slaughter game like one would imagine, after the term "Battle Royal" got so heavily misused.
It's also an easy read. The movie is fine, but the tragedy is lost if you didn't know the book.
I'm actually confused about how few ppl actually read it. It's always "Hunger Games is just an worse Rip-Off of Battle Royal" and if you asked them, if they have read one of them, they say "No, i just watched Hunger Games". I read both and they are barely comparable. Hunger Games is a teenager book, Battle Royale is a tragedy.
And of course Hunger Games gets a lot of hate, like all teenager novels do ... It's actually solid. But if you hate everything teenager related (and especially teenager girls), of course the book is not for you~
That one guy talks about inspiring people in similar situations to be proactive when the expression "run, hide, fight" is literally about fighting being a last resort. Truly bizzare
I was looking for this comment. I work in a school and our plan has always been to get the kids *away* from the danger, not encourage them to engage it in. I guess if *everybody* decided to charge a gunman all at once without somehow tipping them off to the attack, that they *might* be able to get the gun out of his hands. But those are a lot of big "ifs." It's much safer to get out or shelter in place behind looked doors
As Jose suggests, it just kind of feels like an actor trying to say something off the dome in the movie’s favour. Which has to be a challenge honestly.
@@msjkramey Have you seen Beau of the Fifth Column's gun control series?
Going back and watching it now it's really rough, mono speakers and bad lighting, but very informative. He also lays out how stupid the idea of arming teachers is.
@@msjkramey something similar happened with gabby giffords shooting.....yet people died before it happened.........thats the minimum reality of a shooting.
What so if it's your only resort and you're about to die you'd not fight? That should be encouraged in these situations.
Man I love the guy admitting "I stayed the same, the world moved left (read: moved forward)," that's so close to being self aware.
What a low bar.
Remaining center is forward. Obviously. Left and right imply bias, center is idealistically free of bias.
@@Imbalanxd
Sure bud. That would be true in a country with a Overton window that's in the center. To bad Americans Overton window keeps sliding right.
@@Imbalanxd Ideally yes but unfortunately in reality you cannot be a centrist without engaging in cognitive dissonance......
@@jo0rd73 Also you can’t be free of bias
This is the first video I ever saw of yours, but it was so good, I will now spend the next however long it takes to watch everything else you made~
the dirties is so uncomfortable and moving, I'm so glad you mentioned it. They were able to highlight so many of the specific shortcomings when it comes to understanding and counseling people with the capacity for violence, as well as the way we overlook the actions of others that can be clear red flags in hindsight, and they did this all simply through *how* it was filmed. It could have just been a documentary, but they put their weirdly relatable characters right at the center of it that all these messages and themes hang off of perfectly. its so good. Matt Johnson is a treasure.
I honestly don't understand how this movie was supposed to be some attack against leftists or these conservatives trying to weasel their way into the entertainment industry.
1. They made a movie to address how terrible school shootings are (although they dressed it up as a cheesy action thriller) I'm sure that's what they were trying to convey.
2. By making so many of these characters one-dimensional targets like Jose mentioned, which is the opposite of what Elephant did, they've dismantled their pro-life and All Lives Matter stances. The lives of these kids didn't matter to them, they just wanted them to be bodies on screen to be targets for the shooters. They don't want the audience to care about their lives or what happens to them. Also, the shot where they have that kid under the van even though we didn't see them get run over was so disgustingly careless and cartoonish.
3. I love how the main shooter mentions that the school security guard makes a low wage in the same breath as mentioning that he should be armed. Wow, they're actually advocating for higher wages?
4. If these people care so much about the police and Blue Lives Matter and shit, why didn't these characters just let the cops do their job? Doesn't it make the police look weak and incompetent that instead of the police saving these kids, this girl had to save everyone? Oh, also, I find it very progressive that the main action lead is a teenaged girl. I mean, they could have had her calling her dad during the shooting and had him come save the day. I don't get it; is that supposed to be an own to us leftists or an homage? I thought the rhetoric was "it takes a good guy with a gun...blah, blah, blah...not a good girl?"
I think your comment is a perfect token of people on the left and right not understanding the other's point of view.
@@jameswallace6984 why would Ben and his friends at Daily Wire make a very absolute stance against leftist agendas and then pick this movie about a strong independent woman taking out edgy white males to distribute under their company name? This movie should be labeled as woke leftist ideology by them. I mean, this girl is so strong she gets shot in the leg but still manages to take out the edgy straight white male villains, and come back home to her Black boyfriend, in which she has apparently a healthy and loving and passionate relationship with. All of that sounds like liberalism to me.
@@jameswallace6984 Ah yes the Neo-Confederate really just want state rights to own slavery.
I comepletely agree except with ur point on elephant, the characters in that movie are intentionally one dimensional, they’re meant to be average kids just going ab their day, this movie has them as one dimensional to act as targets while an action movie plays out around them, one dimensional characters are super useful and even interesting depending on how their used, elephant makes you wish these characters were more developed, that u got to see how their lives and problems played out, you feel the tragedy of the senseless violence as their lives are pointlessly cut short, this movie just uses them as targets
For #4 you make a good point that in a "hollywood liberal" movie the protagonist would be criticized for being a Mary sue or "forced diversity" feminist propaganda. However I dont think the right sees gun issues as being gendered like that. It's more that they dont understand that a gun in the house is much more of a liability for american women than a tool of independence and liberation. Same for carrying a gun for self defense. I dont think they are against the idea of "good girl with a gun"
Ah, yes. A "good guy with a gun" is the solution. Even though that's not how school shootings usually end and that doesn't help with gang violence, domestic violence, and suicide that make up much more gun violence than mass shootings
Gang violence usually occurs in gun-free zones so there’s a reason, friend. Domestic violence isn’t normally gun-related funnily enough. Why would you bring up suicide-by-gun in a point about “good guy with a gun”? You just trying to pad out your post a bit? That makes no sense.
@@chrisstoltz3648 The good guy with a gun argument has never been made in the context of suicide by gun. So why are you bringing that up?
True, but a Hobo With a Shotgun . . . will probably not solve all the problems either considering how the film just ends in tragedy and the crapsake city the hero tried to fix didn’t really get any better at the end.
Hell that monologue the Hobo gave towards the babies in the hospital at how fucked their future is truly is a haunting speech that reflects on the status of society as a whole. Definitely the second best Rutghar Hauer monologue since Blade Runner.
@@spenser9908 oh hey fancy meeting you here pal
Look at what happened at Uvalde, the "good guys with guns" did nothing
A villian who wants to kill for social media fame isn't an awful concept, it was done very well in Spree, the main difference is Kurt was based on actual killers/crazy people and this guy is just a total goon.
Or City of God to a certain extent.
There was a man who carried out a mass shooting in a movie theater who was inspired by the joker and openly wanted to imitate him, and the Columbine shooters planted bombs in the school which they intended to go off after the shooting.
It’s just so tasteless to use those elements of genuine tragedies in a shoot em up action movie
Imagine making a movie about a school shootings in the us and saying it is edcapism
Not only that, but a terrible one. @@M60A3
Who else noticed CNN is called FNN in this movie which is likely short for Fake News Network?
"my movies are apolitical" smh
The funniest thing is that you it could just as easily be FNN "fox news network" & still have the same meaning
Considering the movie was produced independent from TDW, it might be a coincidence. Or it has something to do with its producer Dallas Sonniers, who's not shy about his right-wing belief.
I thought it was supposed to be Fox New Network. Because the stage crew could not musterr respect for such a person as Ben Shapiro.
To be fair, Faux News was already taken
let me introduce a more realistic version of the script:
the protagonist runs and hides, but when she goes back to pick a fight with the school shooter, she's shot and dies instantly. Roll credits.
Geez
I’d watch it.
I’ll do one better, just for the sake of being serious instead of jokingly. After the main girl dies at the first act with whatever character arc she has completely abandoned, the film now focus on the main shooter as the villain protagonist and explore why he is a twisted sociopath wanting to kill as many people due to the failure in American health system and growing apathy humanity display to one another.
. . . Wait I just remembered Daily Wire promotes this film. What I suggest is the type of SJW bullshit they hate despite them being the ones who like films like Joker.
@@BigK13372 Side tangent unironically I believe the worst part of Joker isn't the movie itself (that film is fantastic) but the 'fanbase' (if you can call it that) that is kind of reactionary
I mean most news outlets were def too paranoid around the movie's release and people's disdain were justified, but dear god the fanbase had some notable cringe
@@ArcturusOTE Yeah. Prime example of misaimed fanbase. Especially considering the film, while humanizing the Batman villain, didn’t really glamorize any of his crime and presents the character as a cautionary tale
@Romantic Outlaw eh, I wouldn’t say that’s the most realistic yet I do admit it would be a plausible scenario
I wrote a script similar to this to depict how bullying and ragging can lead unstable rage filled individuals in the society.
I won't give away the speciality of the main character but the villain on the other hand I wanted him to be a everyday student who is the smartest in the school who was bullied throughout his entire school life. His character and personality were a mix between anton from no country for old men and Raoul Silva from skyfall, both played by Javier Bardem. The reason why I picked them is to show that they were abandoned by society and we can't understand their mentality. The message is similar to the recent joker, but this villain is not insane. Not only he is sane but he is incredibly bright with a 150-160 IQ.
One of the reviews on Rotten Tomatoes was from Robbie Collin. Collin writes for the Daily Telegraph which is a conservative newspaper in the UK,, so hardly a radical leftist. But Ben Shapiro was stupid enough to call Andrew Neill, a prominent conservative journalist in the UK a leftist because Neill dared to do his job.
Ben looks too much like an angrier version of Joffrey Baratheon if played by a one note actor at their first audition. Even imitations of movies by The Asylum don't deal with the likes of him.
The Daily Wire's movie is not approved by a turtle.
Your words are valued, great turtle
In these troubled times, we can look to the consistency of a turtle's approval of events and media to help guide us through the darkness.
I like the Justin Y.-ing I see from you.
Hi Turtle! May I please pet your shell?
Go watch some vtubers you shelled freak
Conservatives: Let's not make school shootings political, think of the children!
Also conservatives: *makes a movie of school shootings and blame the "radical left" of not letting it go to Hollywood *
You know if someone made a movie involving school shootings that even hinted at the tragedy being preventable by stricter gun laws, these same people would start virtue signaling about how disgusting it is to use school shootings for a political agenda
You forgot that in the movie they don’t “think of the children”
Cringe
Conservatives: There's too much politics in movies today!! The left keeps shoving politics down my throat!!
Also conservatives: Let's make this political movie for political reasons to own the left.
Classic projection, as usual.
The whole movie is also a political message that guns and violence are not the problem but the solution, something the NRA always preaches "If the teachers only had guns" - disgusting
I like my Die Hards to stay in the Christmas movie genre
For a pro-gun movie about school school shootings, the creators of this flick sure have no idea how guns work other than they shoot things. You're telling me that NOBODY outside the cafeteria heard the gunshots when guns are EXTREMELY loud? Yeah, sure buddy. At my grandfather's funeral, they did a 21-gun salute from like half a mile away or more from where we were and they were so loud I thought they were right next to us. There's a reason they have you wear earmuffs at a firing range, and that's why: because you might actually go deaf if you didn't.
Wait hang on, so their movie that is 100% against school shootings and doesn't fetishise them at all....has the actual shooter/main villain be some edgelord who repeats Daily Wire talking points like "I'm triggering you!!!!" jokes, his build a wall comment and arguing that teachers should be armed
The SHOOTER is the one who agrees with the Daily Wire's world view
impressive self own on their part
And it still manages to fetishize one kid shooting other kids. Isn't our "protagonist" technically also a school shooter now?
I’m genuinely shocked DW didn’t order rewrites to have the main villain be the sort of far left extremist caricature that exists only in their heads. Like they could have made him the amalgamation of every negative stereotype of the left like have him be a militant vegan, PETA supporting, antifa radical who hates trump and loves Bernie and is determined to destroy the establishment so it can be rebuilt into a communist state. Not that it would have made for a more interesting character or a more engaging story. It just would have been in keeping with the rhetoric of DW
@@unstoppableExodia lol I was confused for a second when I saw you wrote "DW." I was like "the little sister from Arthur?" Also, I'm a leftist and I have to say: fuck PETA. They kill so many pets, even going as far as to abduct well taken care of and loved pets just to put them down to prove their point about how having pets is somehow equivalent to slavery
To be fair, I think they were going for a Joker-like figure who speaks the dark truth that only conservatives are WOKE to, in the sense that, "You weak libs are too blind to see the absurdity of your beliefs! All you needed were more guns and walls! So simple! Haha, joke's on you!" In the framing of the story he's not a right-winger, he's just rando evil guy who just "sees the truth" but is ultimately personally responsible for his evils absent any wider cultural context or systemic reasons for his existence.
Which is why that whole line about free will was thrown in. Remember that Shapiro is from the party of "personal responsibility" and bootstraps. So while he clutches pearls about how we shouldn't glorify school shooters, he feels no responsibility for reforming society or enacting systematic policies to solve systematic problems. It's just a few bad apples to him and the onus was never on him to, ya know, actually do anything substantive about school shootings.
The message is basically that bad people just exist and you must be harsh and emotionally dead inside so that you can fight them at any time and the libs are just too mentally weak to accept that. If you're not ready to break in a dude's head with a rock, you're just not equipped for today's society.
@@msjkramey yeah I lean left and I have no time for PETA at all. They’d happily criticize me for eating meat or a reptile keeper for live feeding yet they are quite blood thirsty in their drive to hunt and kill pets that could be rehomed.
These people are absolutely horney to have an excuse to shoot someone.
I wouldn't mind if it was entertaining at least but this movie is bad propaganda
You're right, but please don't phrase it like that.
Which people specifically?
@@chaoszhul_4d586 why not? It seems real accurate.
They just have this aching need to shoot their load.
@@TheJacklikesvideos the people making the movie reviewed in this youtube video
Thank you so much. Even though I'm one year late, this movie was brought up in conversation with my conservative mother. She seemed disturbed when she described the movie to me, but assure me that it was a "good" and "important" movie. From the way she described it, I said that the movie seemed "Very insensitive". I mentioned that the villains motivation was laughable and it did not reflect how real life school shootings happen at all. Of course, we got into an argument about it, but it just made me think a bit. Again, thank you for bringing up some of these important points about the movie. I wish my mom could understand them.
As someone who went to a rural nebraska high school, there's no way a van crashing through wouldn't be heard
Super Columbine Massacre RPG: The Movie
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We have that already. Is called Elephant and, unlike this piece of shit, is great.
@@kaoko111 I've been looking for that movie. Any idea where I can find it?
@@kapitan762x54R it used to be all over UA-cam and I torrented it back in the day. It’s almost impossible to find a legit copy. It’s been out of print for years, unfortunately.
@@Funnylittleman yeah. I'll take a look but I couldn't find it on... well. "The Bay".
This could have been more realistic if she gave her boyfriend a gun too so he could help, but when the cops show up, they shoot him thinking he’s the shooter since he’s black.
Oof... too real. That was such a tragic story and good demonstration of why a "good guy with a gun" isn't a good strategy. Racism aside, if a cop shows up to an active shooter situation, how the hell are they supposed to know which of the people shooting at each other is the "good guy"? Just guess? Shoot everyone that has a gun?
@@msjkramey so true some poepl just live in there own bubble
That sounds like a Key and Peele sketch
@@theomegajuice8660 unfortunately it's all too real. Look up Emantic “EJ” Fitzgerald Bradford Jr. He was shot by police because he was mistakenly confused with the active shooter at a mall
@@msjkramey that’s the exact story that I was thinking of. Thanks! I couldn’t remember.
Wait wait wait. Thomas Jane??? Your telling me the Punisher is her dad. Now it all makes since
This really is "If there was a school shooter at my school, I would simply use my superior skills to kill him first, becoming a hero." the movie.
"These things- to the extent that anything did happen- didn't happen under my watch" Translation="If I wasn't right there participating in the assault as it was happening then I am in no way responsible for the actions or safety of the people who work for me"
"I shouldn't have to worry about sexual harassments and assault if it means that I will lose a business opportunity"
"Those people don’t work for me, & I was neither participating in nor observing the assault."
Your description of Michelle in Elephant brought me to tears just thinking of the senseless loss of life of all the children whose names we’ll never know and whose potential will never be realised.
This movie is beyond distasteful and the creators should be ashamed of themselves. It’s a sick pro-gun revenge fantasy.
pro gun revenge fantasy is giving it to much credit. its a soulless piece of propaganda piece that tries to hide bad writing while pandering to an already mind drone audience....
Love when you release stuff, doesn't matter what the topic or how esoteric, I know it's a guaranteed interesting half hour at least.
I think the grossest aspect of having a hero in a movie about a school shooting is the idea that someone in the shooting could have stopped it. If watched by someone who survived a shooting it could give them a sort of survivor's guilt.
Makes me wonder how somebody who DID stop a school shooting themselves would react.
You gotta love how they give one of them an MP40, an SMG from WW2, instead of an AR-15 or an AK.
It's a good weapon choice tho mans got good eye
Plus they're all clearly in their mid-20s and dressed like it's 2009. And how old is that model of van?
Mp-40s were and are good guns; why else would so many have been made?
I'm not saying its not got style, but those are so much harder to come by than an AR or an AK.
@@void8617 true enough
The "you can't imagine yourself in movies nowadays" comment is so telling. He's incapable of identifying or empathizing with anyone who's different from him. what a sad tiny world that is to live in
One Tree Hill covered the topic of school shootings and they handled it with WAY more realism and sensitivity. Elephant was a horror movie like a movie with the subject matter should be. This film is an insult to anyone who has ever been in a school shooting. It's obvious the writers and director didn't do any research.
Let’s be honest: if gun-free zones weren’t a thing, mass shootings wouldn’t be either.
The fact that he really described it as edgy and it wasn't a joke
I can't possibly explain the feeling of dread I get when I saw that the title of a movie was the "slogan" that my teachers told me during shooting drills. Disgusting even for the Daily Wire.
It's a bit like seeing "Work sets you free" displayed in your office entrance hall
@@theomegajuice8660 Wait, companies put that on the walls? Do these lot ever heard of the Holocaust?
@@ArcturusOTE I would Really hope not but the slogan can be reworded and be only vaguely recognizable.
It's tasteless and offensive. Like the videos author, I'm not saying this to the actors or most of the crew making the movie. They may not have been wholly complicit in the intention of it's creation. "Screw these assholes for creating this offensive trite."
I would KILL to see True Allegiance be turned into a movie.
Yes! Don't listen to the haters, Ben. We need this!
It is not gonna happen. Ben is f*cking coward and after Capitol insurrection he won't dare to put on screen story were rightwing terrorists attacking government agents are good guys.
I just want to see the Bear of a man Brett hawthorn.
Quick before paul verhoeven dies
Can it please be done by the same people who made the movie based on that Chick Tract (Darkest Dungeons I think it was called)? I think that would turn out really great
Damn might have to cite this for a paper I’m writing for my Media Ethics course, great video!
Movie basically saying let the kids handle the problems that adults posed on them (kids fighting back other kids with weapons that adults sell to them)
I’m so glad you brought up how weird it was for them to have an MP-40, that was bugging me the whole time watching these clips. I think the more interesting thing to point out that none of the shooters seem to use an AR-15, the gun most commonly associated with mass shootings like this, and in fact, it’s the hero at the end who uses an AR derivative, very curious
Good guys use American-made guns.
Bad guys use imports.
Well they want to make the AR the “good guys gun” and make the shooters look like nazis (the mp-40 was designed by them) but logically the two answers would be an AK style rifle or an AR style if they wanted to show the contrast the logical answer would be the bad guys get AKs and the cops get ARs because although it’s unrealistic it would be easy to see the different groups of people at a glance
"God loves evil, because evil will be judged."
Oh God, I want to *scream,* that is almost literally the exact opposite of the Gospel's message.
Within the Gospel, it is emphasizes over and over again, that humanity should *not* work to exact any sort of justice against others, or condemn others for their immoral actions, or even just to be confident that the things we believe in and the actions we take are the correct ones. Taking pleasure in the fact that someone you dislike will "Get what they deserve" is so utterly contrary to everything Christ ever taught that it hurts me.
she never said loves but allowed and it was the girl's opinion.
@@alexthompson8977 it's a character in a movie
everything is by design
This movie hurts
God ALLOWS IT , not loves , if you are gonna quote ...quote it right
Thank you for the content warning. I'll come back for the rest when I don't feel so shitty.
They’re acting like every school has a John McClane that is able to stop these terrible people and expect the movie to land when there is no impact to it. This movie has no representation of what a school shooting really is outside of kids with guns inside of a school
Rambo 2: Vietnam but this time we win
Run hide fight: Columbine but this time we win
Man, it really does come off like that, huh? Like the movie presents the good guys as having won the day, despite the villains having murdered *so many* people. What a hollow "victory"
Wait. The US won in Rambo 2? I thought the whole movie was about how the US lost and pull out of Vietnam and left some POWs behind that they have Rambo busted out like way after the war is over?
@@KhiemNguyen-ly1wz No, Rambo 2 isn't a literal alternate history film. But seeing Rambo in the Vietnam jungle killing commies and saving Americans does leave the while thing feeling like revenge porn. Hell, when he's being asked to go on the mission Rambo straight up asks, _"Do we get to win this time?"_
@@charliedawson6318 Yeah, make sense. But I hardly call that winning though. But I guess you could say the same thing about revenge in general. Just cause you get even with the other guy doesn't really change the fact that you still lost something, possibly forever. It's just unfulfilled.
Although I always thought Rambo 1and 2 was more about how the US just kinda ditched people who got involved in Vietnam War after the fact, especially the soldiers cause it was unpopular back home. The Viet Cong was there mostly as background really. I always got the feeling the movies was more about bashing America than the Viet Cong.
@@KhiemNguyen-ly1wz well it has Pows in the 1980s and there is no vidence of Vietnam keeping pow's that long, so they are clearly the "bad guys", but of course the American bureacrats are to blame too.
So... the main character's mind is broken from the trauma and she turns into a psychopath? Oh, wait, no, she was fighting and killing from the start so it's not really an arc at all.
That would make her too much of an interesting character.
@@Eightsixseven23224 she killed the girl because she was trying to kill her. She saved the other guy and coinvinced him to stop shooting and only near the end did she start to loose it
Conservative gun culture. The hunt is a traditional rite of passage, though usually for the young men more than women. Got to go out there, find a deer and shoot it to prove you are a tough, adult figure now. Not some namby-pampy liberal softie who cares about those meat-sacks that God put on the earth for man to eat.
@2:10 Interesting thing is that the run hide fight video was recently used for “training” at my grocery store in the event of an active shooter. It wasn’t the same one here but similar in cheesiness and imo unrealistic expectations of what would actually happen.
"We need to focus on mental health,"
"School shooters are inherently evil and we shouldn't examine why they do the shootings"
Shapiro wants us to believe school shooters are just born monsters and there is nothing that can be done about how they turn out. People like Shapiro refuse to actually DO anything in regards to the mental health crisis in our country, they just want to cry about it. This movie fundamentally proves that mindset. The villains are literally caricature movie villains. In reality, just about all of the school shootings that happen could have been prevented had we actually had adequate mental health care in the US, if students were properly educated in mental health and how their behaviors affect others, and if red flag gun law were actually keeping weapons out of the hands of shooters. School shootings CAN be prevented, but Shapiro seems to believe they are inevitable.
That movie from the trailer is like a repeat of a repeat. That theme has been done a bunch in Hollywood. The idea that writers, directors, singers, entertainers and huge corporations are leftist is just an irrational belief. Take any artist take Cardi B, who was outspoken against trump, is her music “leftist”? No, it’s not leftist. Take any actor that has been vocally against trump and take a look at their filmography, do they make leftist movies? No. There are like a million cop tv shows. And medical tv shows. None of that stuff is leftist. This thing that Shapiro is discussing is made up in his head. There are a ton of conservative themes in every aspect of American entertainment already. There isn’t room for subtle conservative themes in entertainment because you’ll just end up reproducing the entertainment that already exists Shapiro will soon find that out.
Anything left of far-right is immediately communist
I kind of want to make a script and see if they'll take it. How's this sound?
A mayor town cuts the funding to the local police department leading to a violent gang taking over the town. Now a former marine and a by-the-books deputy are the only ones who can stop them in CIVIL JUSTICE.
How to give yourself the middle finger without even realizing it.
@@aaronkelly1762 haha. I'm sure they'll buy this.
@@BobardeZanzibar Niiiice
god I love the director's suggestion that his work is actually apolitical. "Conservatives don't like my work because it's politically geared towards them. It's actually neutral. I just treat everything conservatives want as if it's automatically good without any need for justification." it's the perfect example of "movies are political when I don't like them" meme.
That’s exactly how people act in the video game industry.
@@moesalamander7012 elaborate?
@@FFKonoko Big game developers will make games about war and conflict and explicitly state that their games “aren’t political”. But maybe it’s the fans’ fault for this, because anytime there’s a woman or minority they get all pissed off about “politics” while praising political games like bioshock and fallout new Vegas. Jacob Geller has a fantastic video about Modern Warfare (2019) that I can’t recommend enough about this subject
The thing is, while I would be annoyed and rolling my eyes, I would have respect to the creator to be open with there conservatives stuff in the work they made
I honestly think that people who got out of school before the Columbine shooting could never possibly do this topic justice (at least for people who live in America, obviously there are other countries where there were similarly bad shootings well before columbine.) The grown ass adults who wrote, directed and produced this movie could never possibly understand what it is like to enter a school, knowing that you might be shot
The people at Sandy Hook Promise did a better job with their “back to school” PSA
Something I noticed after the right latched onto rittenhouse, was their mentality of “our teenagers will inherit the earth while theirs cry”