An inside look at the new Penn Battle III spin fishing reel piece by piece and how to service
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- Опубліковано 28 сер 2024
- This is a full take apart of the new Penn Battle III 5000 spin fishing reel. It shows the parts in detail and discusses the difference from the prior version of the reel. It shows how to service the reel and gives insight into how the reel is made if you are considering purchasing one.
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Thank you for watching - Dennis
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Dennis,
Thanks again for posting such a clear and informative fishing reel breakdown, cleaning and servicing video. I fish whenever I can and having reliable equipment is key to a good trip. I was brought up to take care of the tackle that takes care of you. Your videos definitely help whenever I have a question about a new to me reel. Appreciate you.
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Thank you for the kind feedback and for watching - Best wishes - Dennis
A lot of people trash the Chinese-made Penn's but the reels you serviced on the channel all seem very well constructed. I agree with Christopher, its painful to see how salted those charter boat reels can be.
It is not a question of whose hands put the reel together, the foreign assembly of the reels is not to blame. It is when the designers and the brands make decisions to use inferior materials or short cut more expensive parts to "save" pennies on the reel. Penn has done a good job for the most part in maintaining quality on many of there reels, although there have been some terrible releases as well. That could happen anywhere . Thanks for the note - Dennis
Thanks, this vid has helped a lot as I needed to see the underneath of the drag cap
Glad it helped - Dennis
Hey Dennis, excellent video depicting how servicing your own reels are a Must! I commercial fish for seabass and fluke with 3 Abu 6601's and I tear them apart after every 4 days of fishing, thanks to you, and they are totally trashed and in need of servicing! Can't imagine what they would look like after 90 days! Thanks again for doing what you do!
Thanks for the note. Take care of the reels and the reels will take care of you! Especially if you are depending on these commercially. Where do you fish out of. Sounds like you are in my area? Best wishes - Dennis
@@2ndChanceTackle We commercial fish out of Westport Massachusetts and fish mostly around Martha's Vinyard and the Elizabeth Islands
Hi Dennis. Thanks for the video on the Penn Battle III reel. I own a Battle III 2500 and now feel confident about performing the service by myself. I have used the 2500 for a full season of fluking from the beach and it has performed flawlessly. Its now to service it a put it to bed until next season. Thanks again.
Glad I could help! The process is the same. Good luck with the overhaul - Dennis
Another great video Dennis. Very informative with plenty of added advice and suggestions. It was great to Finally see the difference between the battle 2 and 3's main gear. Thanks again for sharing your abundant knowledge with us.
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for the note and for watching Mike - Dennis
Thank you Dennis so much for the very informative video! ☺️ I have both Penn battle 3 and Slammer 3. I can also say that the quality of battle 3 is the same as on Slammer 3, if not better (except the system of seals in Slammer 3). The feel of the reeling on battle 3 is in the class of Shimano or Daiwa. I service both reels regularly of my self, and have never had problems with them 😎👍
Thanks for sharing! The reels are similar and the Battle is popular. The gap is narrowing between the two reels with the latest version of the reels - Dennis
How is the Spinnfisher VI compared to those two? I have the 4500 for about a year I only get down to fish about 10 times a season, but I try to take good care of all my saltwater gear. Making sure to clean and rinse them down after each use. Currently have a Baitrunner OC the cheaper of the Shimano Baitrunners that I’ve had for about 7-8 seasons now and it still runs great. Also, have a Tsunami 6000 that I don’t love it’s smoothness if that’s a word? But I guess all the seals are what makes that a little rougher, it’s also on the heavier side.
I’ve had the Spinnfisher VI for a year and I’ve used to surf and near shore fishing so far. I’m hoping that I’ll get as much use from this as I have my Baitrunner. Going to try doing some vertical jigging in Hatteras this summer out on the full day trip on the Miss Hatteras.
Great video Dennis. Regards from SA
Glad you enjoyed it. Hello from up north. I hope all is well - Dennis
Great video as always
I think that the fifth bearing is in the line roller like in the battle-1
There or under the spool. Thanks for the note - Dennis
Great video by the way thank you 👍🏾
Glad you liked it. Thanks - Dennis
Great video! One thing I noticed is that I am taking out the pinion assembly 14:38 - you said the flat side goes next to the anti reverese. If you look at yours, it actually does not. It is one turn clockwise. Probably not a big deal but I wanted to make sure my reel wasnt assembled incorrectly.
Thanks for the note - I will need to go back and relook at the vid.
Best wishes
Dennis
Found damage on my new reel in the drag washer channel,some lacerations. I was drunk one morning and I was fishing while in the waves and got a lot of sand in it. Cleaned it works great
Glad to hear the reel is better! Be careful - Dennis
Thanks a lot
YW
I must reluctantly admit this is a strong design for a spinning reel and the parts appear solid. I cringe at the salt buildup on this reels though. I like the all metal case too. I just don’t like the always on AR on modern reels. It’s because of the way I like to fish. This is one of the better modern Penn reels I’ve seen. Still, I wouldn’t buy one. Great video on this reel Dennis!
Thanks Chris. This is a decent reel that hasn't been taken care of by the boat. That treatment will cause problems for any reel. Stay well - Dennis
Hey Dennis, i would appreciate your comments on this product LPS 3 also 1 and 2 for different applicaions. I had used it in aircraft maintenance and thought it may be perfect to coat the inside of the skirted spools..Dave
I didn't know of it until your note. This looks like a storage rust inhibitor made with some kind of wax to coat the metals. I would avoid using this in a reel
Hi Dennis, I use a Penn battle III for surf fishing and I got washed on a jetty, the reel went through the wash with me. It developed a squeak. I took it apart to service and I believe I over greased after watching your video on how much grease is too much. My next fishing trip it was stiff and as I fished it, it got harder and harder to crank until I felt uncomfortable to continue, fearing I would break it. I am going to open it up again now that I've watch your videos and hope I didn't damage anything. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and I will let you know how my second attempt works out.
Sounds like the inside of the pinion gear is gummed up or that you have a bent axle shaft. I would start there with a cleaning and test of those two pieces - After you remove the axle shaft screw, oil up on the axle and make sure is is gliding easily through the pinion gear. If it sticks clean both and try again. If it still sticks, the shaft likely got bent fighting a fish or hitting something when you fell in - Dennis
Thanks for posting. The ears on the soft drag washers rather than the metal could be weak part of the drag.
There isn't any movement there, so I think the engineers probably have this one right - Dennis
@@2ndChanceTackle Thanks for the reply.
Thanks Dennis, great video. Can you explain where the shims go and how many there should be?
The shims go on the main gear outside and under the side case bearing. They are used to take up the side to side play in the main gear movement. The factory will typically install 1 or 2 to make up for the variance in manufacturing tolerances of the side plates and main housing. If you replace the main gear, you need to recheck the shims. if the gear is binding, remove one. It is loose - side to side, add one - Dennis
@@2ndChanceTackle Thanks so much Sir! So if I have this correct, put a shim between the main gear and bearing (side where my handle is) but what is the side case bearing? Are you saying put a shim/shims on either side of that same bearing?
I put all 4 shims between the main gear and bearing and the reel binded. I didn’t add any new shims, so they were in there somewhere already and I reinstalled them incorrectly.
Called Penn and was told to put them where the thrust washer goes per their schematic, but that just seems odd to me.
Thanks!
Thanks, that makes a lot of sense and explains why the number of shim washers aren't consistent. @@2ndChanceTackle
hey... me again. Have u taken apart a penn battle 3 le? Im trying to figure out if him missing a shim because it still isnt any smoother so im looking for something to fix it. If so, where are all the shims supposed to be? Under the rotor, under the reel assembly, one under the bearing on the pinion, and one on the top of the bearing on the pinion correct? I havent found any videos on the LE either...
Another fine video. Other than the color and a few Minor Details, I see very little difference between the spool on the fierce lll and the battle lll my question is will they interchange.
I don't think they are interchangeable. The one difference between the battle and Fierce is that the Battle has a spool bearing on the axle shaft. so the spool would have a different mount - Dennis
@@2ndChanceTackle thank you for the reply. Buying more reels really doesn't break my heart.
Hi Dennis, thank you for sharing your time and talent! How do you define penetrating oil, wd 40 or the like? Would any residue of the same need to be removed prior to application of reel oil and grease? Thanks in advance! I just disassembled my reel after it fell in the surf/sand after a hookup and when rotating the handle elicits resistance and the sound of drag???
Penetrating oil like WD40 is petroleum based, so you do not need to mop up everything before you re-oil or lube, but I like to get as much out as possible as it may dilute the new greases. Any time a reel goes in the water or sand, it get's contaminated. Your issue is probably where the handle and main gear meet. Maybe the bearings, maybe a shim. Also, did you remove the rotor? There may be sane and junk under it.
Thanks
Dennis
@@2ndChanceTackle thank you for the prompt reply! It appears the annoying noise when I first started assembling is on rotation of the pinion gear, with manual rotation of fingers, where the dog/ dog spring/ retaining clip assembly make contact with the rotor. "Click click click" incessantly. I have completely disassembled and cleaned every screw, shim, washer, you name it. There are no more parts to clean! This all started after the rod and reel fell forward into the sand/surf after that huge hit. I want to take my boys fishing this Sunday with a functional rod/reel. Help :)
Dennis, just wanted to let you know the Battle 3's main gear is aluminum.
Thanks for the additional information! - Dennis
My pleasure! I just subscribed and like your videos!
Questions please. For the anti-reverse clutch on my battle 3 2500, I have had to take everything apart and fight corrosion (long story). They consider this a bearing, but how would you go about soaking/cleaning this to ensure rust/corrosion is stopped on the inside of this "bearing"?
Go ahead and soak it with penetrating oil. Repeated sprays will help cleanse the reel and protect it in the future. Thanks for asking
Dennis
That battle CNC gear has the same gear ratio as the fierce 3 cast gear 5.3:1 do you think it would swap over
It may. - Check with the folks at mystic parts.com they would know
Reel manufacturers add slots in the spool to save weight and sell reels, but I wish they would leave the spools solid. Those holes just allow dirt, sand, and debris into the reel.
Good point. This is a fashion (passion) reel business and the slots are pretty, but come at a cost as you note. Thanks - Dennis
Somebody should start making aftermarket spools without the holes for the common reels. I'm sure there's plenty of people like me that would gladly pay for upgraded parts like that.
hey man, I took my reel apart and cleaned/regreased it and now its tighter to reel in than it was before. I took it apart again and removed some of the grease i put on thinking that I may have put too much, but it didnt fix the problem. Is there anything else that would make the reel tighter and less smooth as before? Thank you
Sounds like something is binding in the reel. I'm afraid you need to take it apart yet again.
The tightness may be coming from a lack of shim washer or too many shim washers or a shim in the wrong place on the main gear. It can also be from a misinstalled pinion gear assembly including the washers under the rotor and or bearings. Also check to make sure that the axle shaft is not bent. Hard to pin it down based on your description, but the causes listed are where I would start - Dennis
@@2ndChanceTackle Okay i took it apart and it appears that im missing a shim. How should I go about replacing it? thank you for your response.
@2nd Chance Tackle I just got extremely lucky and I found the missing shim. Im going to try and install it once more and see if it fixes it. Then I will go along with the other possibiltes
@@2ndChanceTackle I put the shim back in, to no avail. It made it smoother when no gears were on the pinion. so maybe the main gear isnt setting right on the pinion? Or maybe I still am missing a shim
Do you know if the battle 3 5000 will handle small to medium sized Halibut weighing 20 to 100 lbs. ? I had 40 lb. Braided line installed.
I think it is undersized for that class of fish. Best to go with the 8000 sized reel - Dennis
@@2ndChanceTackle In your option what’s the best name brand spinning on the market today? I see where some guy’s say the Vanstall is the best. Just want your thoughts on that.
That depends on the fishing you do! All major manufacturer's have $1000 reels but is that what you are asking?? My go to recommendation fro good reels in the $100-150 range is Shimano followed by Penn. - VanStaal is now owned by Pure Fishing, the company that owns Penn. - Dennis
I’ll be fishing here in Alaska for Lingcod, Halibut and Rockfish and just want too purchase the correct Spinning Reel that’s all.
I guess what I’m asking is for your recommendation on a really good low maintenance Reel.
A little freshwater goes a long ways.
It sure does. Thanks Jeff
Looks like the spool bearing went overboard on that one too lol I'd make them put a cash deposit or a hold on their debit card they might think twice before taking it apart
I guess I just want to give the reels a 2nd Chance and accept these take apart from those that tried - Thanks
@@2ndChanceTackle I meant I'f I was the charter boat captain
Sorry I should have explained myself better your doing the lord's work 😀
Looks like they drop in the water !!
These are not well cared for on charter boats. It is mostly sea splash and line water that doesn't get risked off after use. Thanks for the note and for watching - Dennis
it's ugly
Yeah, some of these commercially used reels have a hard life - I hope you are well Thiago - Best wishes - Dennis
@@2ndChanceTackle yes I am well! ok thank you my friend Dennis! God bless you forever!!!!