I agree, especially with your thoughts at the end. I'm on 5 acres in KY and use my tractor pretty easy...basically as a powered wheelbarrow. I have hydro and have no regrets- I love it. For larger property, ground engaging, field type work, I think a power shuttle would make sense.
Great video .. I wrestled with this deeply .. and went hst. On a small compact kubota b2301 loader and bush hog .. small homestead 4acres .. I’m hoping it’s enough for the operations we have .. I use the four speed gear drive the stop non synchronized got to me . And I realized it kinda depends on what your doing if you need continuous hst movement or a stop stop gear drive won’t matter .. I guess I’m sayin gotta figure out what all your doing or gonna be doing
basically if you're mostly mowing with a little bit of loader work then the hydro is the pick, but if you're mostly plowing and ripping and dragging heavy loads then go for the direct gearbox with clutch .
Dunno. Dual brakes on the manuals makes for a much tighter turning radius which can be handy for mowing. My lawn tractor is manual, I love it. If all you do is short distance loader work then hydro makes sense
I follow you specifically because you have a Workmaster. And specific to this video, it's interesting that you're talking about the WM35 being plenty as a gear drive. I can confirm what you're saying. I have a gear drive WM35. I'm super happy with it.
I fully agree with you I grew up driving gear tractors and I went with a 2610 koiti I mow a lot of grass do gravel work brush cut never had an issue shifting sure its slower but I have this tractor for 20 30 years
I own both a gear and hydro. They both have there place. Loader work is better with hydro, plowing and really hard pulling work is better with gear. When I buy a tractor I always try to get the maximum HP for the frame size that I want. I've never once heard anyone complain that they have to much power. They both have there place that's for sure.
As far as longevity is concerned, I have Kubota 2320 hydro with 1000 hours and no signs of any issues or concerns. Mostly mowing 6 acres with some loader work here and there.
Thanks for the great videos. Very informative. I'm getting a tractor and undecided between geared and Hydro. The fear peddled by H-proponents is that you will wear out the clutch and have to split the tractor to replace the clutch. Some say geared lasts longer, others say hydro lasts longer. If you use the clutch correctly it should hold up ok right?
I agree that it's personal preference. I have a hydro and I love it. I do use my tractor for Bush hogging for the majority of it hours so i do second guess my choice of a hydro. But I do have a cruise control on my JD 3039r so it works.
My John Deere is a 1984 , my dad bought it brand new , been mine the last 20 years , it is a hydro i pull a double moldboard plow , a box blade a disc harrow , 52” front blade for dirt gravel and snow, 200 foot driveway. And cut grass on my 1.5 acher property , move trees around etcetera .. it still looks brand new and operates like brand new. I change hydro fluid every 200 hrs and filter.. so i have to tell ya 38 years later that tractor has never not once been to the dealer or broke.. i have done nothing but fluid changes and filters… belts typical wear items and it gets used pretty hard.. so the worry of hydro not lasting is a non issue it properly maintained they will last forever..
I like both transmissions. I have used Ford 1920 and 2120 with gear drives and I now have a New Holland TC29D hydro. I will say that yes you do put more raw power to the ground with the gear drive transmission but going from forward to reverse and just general work around the yard the hydro is easier to use. I would disagree with you on the longevity of the gear drive. Because you can put more power to the ground the chance of breaking a gear is higher along with the fact that going forward to reverse requires a clutch application, you will eventually need to replace the clutch. A hydrostatic transmission allows the hydraulic fluid to be the weakest link with the oil going over relief essentially protecting the components from catastrophic damage.
@@YoxStudio the bearings inside a hydro very reliable. Can they fail, yes. That said, a manual transmission will be guaranteed to be apart because of clutch wear which is considered true wear item. This is if a tractor is used with a loader.
I agree, especially with your thoughts at the end. I'm on 5 acres in KY and use my tractor pretty easy...basically as a powered wheelbarrow. I have hydro and have no regrets- I love it. For larger property, ground engaging, field type work, I think a power shuttle would make sense.
Great video .. I wrestled with this deeply .. and went hst. On a small compact kubota b2301 loader and bush hog .. small homestead 4acres .. I’m hoping it’s enough for the operations we have .. I use the four speed gear drive the stop non synchronized got to me . And I realized it kinda depends on what your doing if you need continuous hst movement or a stop stop gear drive won’t matter .. I guess I’m sayin gotta figure out what all your doing or gonna be doing
basically if you're mostly mowing with a little bit of loader work then the hydro is the pick, but if you're mostly plowing and ripping and dragging heavy loads then go for the direct gearbox with clutch .
Dunno. Dual brakes on the manuals makes for a much tighter turning radius which can be handy for mowing. My lawn tractor is manual, I love it. If all you do is short distance loader work then hydro makes sense
I follow you specifically because you have a Workmaster. And specific to this video, it's interesting that you're talking about the WM35 being plenty as a gear drive. I can confirm what you're saying. I have a gear drive WM35. I'm super happy with it.
I fully agree with you I grew up driving gear tractors and I went with a 2610 koiti I mow a lot of grass do gravel work brush cut never had an issue shifting sure its slower but I have this tractor for 20 30 years
I own both a gear and hydro. They both have there place. Loader work is better with hydro, plowing and really hard pulling work is better with gear. When I buy a tractor I always try to get the maximum HP for the frame size that I want. I've never once heard anyone complain that they have to much power. They both have there place that's for sure.
I went with the hydrostatic transmission on my Workmaster 25. I like it was delivered on Monday and I moved a ton of snow with it.
I find it’s the same for our farm size tractors, I like the cvx drive for yard work and gear drive for out in the field or hauling a big load.
As far as longevity is concerned, I have Kubota 2320 hydro with 1000 hours and no signs of any issues or concerns. Mostly mowing 6 acres with some loader work here and there.
Thanks for the great videos. Very informative. I'm getting a tractor and undecided between geared and Hydro. The fear peddled by H-proponents is that you will wear out the clutch and have to split the tractor to replace the clutch. Some say geared lasts longer, others say hydro lasts longer. If you use the clutch correctly it should hold up ok right?
I agree that it's personal preference. I have a hydro and I love it. I do use my tractor for Bush hogging for the majority of it hours so i do second guess my choice of a hydro. But I do have a cruise control on my JD 3039r so it works.
My John Deere is a 1984 , my dad bought it brand new , been mine the last 20 years , it is a hydro i pull a double moldboard plow , a box blade a disc harrow , 52” front blade for dirt gravel and snow, 200 foot driveway. And cut grass on my 1.5 acher property , move trees around etcetera .. it still looks brand new and operates like brand new. I change hydro fluid every 200 hrs and filter.. so i have to tell ya 38 years later that tractor has never not once been to the dealer or broke.. i have done nothing but fluid changes and filters… belts typical wear items and it gets used pretty hard.. so the worry of hydro not lasting is a non issue it properly maintained they will last forever..
Impressive! Those were good tractors.
Why so often on fluid change
@@angusblack9900 i change the fluids per John Deere’s service interval standards.
@@PhatboyHD88 I have a mx5100 Kubota it calls for change ever 400 hrs.
@@angusblack9900 my John deere manual says engine every 100 hrs and hydraulic fluid every 200 hrs 🤷🏻♂️ thats what it says ..
I like both transmissions. I have used Ford 1920 and 2120 with gear drives and I now have a New Holland TC29D hydro. I will say that yes you do put more raw power to the ground with the gear drive transmission but going from forward to reverse and just general work around the yard the hydro is easier to use. I would disagree with you on the longevity of the gear drive. Because you can put more power to the ground the chance of breaking a gear is higher along with the fact that going forward to reverse requires a clutch application, you will eventually need to replace the clutch. A hydrostatic transmission allows the hydraulic fluid to be the weakest link with the oil going over relief essentially protecting the components from catastrophic damage.
yes but there some bearing inside to convert movement... so im not sure about hydro being better on longevity
@@YoxStudio the bearings inside a hydro very reliable. Can they fail, yes. That said, a manual transmission will be guaranteed to be apart because of clutch wear which is considered true wear item. This is if a tractor is used with a loader.
Gear drive pushes and pulls three times more.
Which transmission do you think would work better on a Mahindra 1626 for loader work moving aggregates and soils?
The whine from the hydrostat is horrible