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- Опубліковано 23 жов 2018
- In todays video I take the RK 37, RK by King Kutter 6' Brush Hog, and 72" Granite Grapple to do a little clean up work and mowing before the snow comes. We also talk about hydro vs shuttle. Which do you prefer and why?
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This video is actually about a man who really enjoys his property and taking care of it, not to mention running the equipment he's so blessed to have at his disposal. Enjoy Mike, its your reward.
I had a standard shift 27 HP tractor for many years and over time my arms and left leg would feel the load of changing direction, show plowing, loading, mowing around obsticles, and working in the woods. I recently traded up to a 38 HP hydro. I love it! I have infinitely more control for some of those tasks. Looking forward to plowing snow with it. I wasn't sure about running the engine at a constant speed all the time but it actually might be better for it in the long run(comments?).
Mike, once again I enjoyed the video. It's great coming along with you on your projects and giving us some ideas. Gotta get to work now!
love the shuttle shift, less fuel consumption than revving hydro all the time
I like the Shuttle Shift on my Kubota L2900. Though like a lot of opinions on here, I guess it really depends on the use of the tractor which is best, but heck, when I'm on my tractor I feel like a young kid having fun moving all the levers, clutch and gas pedal. And to me, that's what it's all about.😆
just love to play out in the woods and in the sandbox and occasionally get work done
I enjoy the hydro! Better speed control for brush hogging and stump grinding type applications and a big comfort factor of it stopping on a hill as you lift the hydro petal without worrying about clutch control and brakes. Also a huge convenience bonus! Really enjoyed the video Mike :)
Thanks for taking me out in the woods a little bit Mike :-) I'm in the city visiting family and I miss the woods. Thanks
Shuttle shift for me. It puts more H.P. at the P.T.O. and don't cost as much when you wear out the clutch to rebuild as a Hydro. Plus it's a tractor, it's suppose to keep you moving around playing with levers! Great videos Mike!
I am of the same opinion I put the extra money into a grapple and love it
Yes, I've had both and the shuttle shift puts more HP to the ground also. Hydrostatic transmissions start slipping and give up, even when there's still traction available.
Doesn't affect PTO power at all. It affects the power at the wheels greatly though.
Love the shuttle Shift. Used one for years for work and just like the way they perform over the hydro.
I like the hydrostatic drive on my 2006 kubota B7800. Great for loader work and changing directions quickly in the woods and using my belly mower. Have a productive day.
They both have their uses. I use my RK55 with Shuttle shift for everything and really enjoy it.
great topic as I have to answer that before I buy my RK55. Not easy to figure out without test driving both. I have a 1974 Ford 3000, standard shift with loader, not modern by any means, but it works and is easy to fix when it breaks.
Shuttle shift for me. But only because of the price difference. I can put the price difference into buying more impliments.
And the shuttle shift is a lot easier if your on it for a long period of time because I noticed with a hydrostatic my leg gets tired after a few hours and if your mowing hay or something definitely shuttle shift I like hydro but I like shuttle more
My wife can’t drive a manual transmission. So, we bought my F150 with an automatic tranny.
My tractor is gear driven.............. she never goes near it.
It’s MINE!
That ends the HST vs gear drive discussion!
Blowing snow with a front mount on a hydro is awesome. Other than that, shuttle. Hard to beat a reliable and near indestructible design.
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I have a JD 3032e an I LOVE the hydro! 1 pedal forward, 1 backward. I rarely need to use the brakes. However I have never used a shuttle shift.
Curve ball... Hydraulic Power Shuttle! best of both worlds. solid gear hookup, push button clutch on gear shift, or foot clutch, instant forward / reverse at the flick of the wrist, and creeper gear for delicate close quarters work. Fewer HST's available in the 70-75 hp range. Kioti RX7320 here.
Depends on the job and the machine for me. For my sub compact, I prefer the hydro since it's a multi use tool. I use it to cut grass, dig, backfill, brush hog, haul firewood, grade the driveway, etc... It is really handy for getting into tight spots with the brush hog and hydro since I can change directions so quickly. If I was using a tractor for plowing, tilling, or baling hay I would vote for shuttle shift. Nice video.
I am an ag mechanic and i prefer a gear trans with a hydraulic shuttle or power shuttle so you do not have to clutch when changing directions.
Hydro! I'm disabled and it's the easiest for me to use.
I love the GST shuttle shift on our L3130. Change gears without using clutch. 12f and 8 reverse speeds.
Ordered RK 55 for my first tractor after buying 35 acres of forest land on Lake Norris in Tenn. Ordered it with Hydro and love it. Looked at Hydro like my vehicles, don’t have stick shift in my vehicles and didnt want to mess with a clutch. So I have never had a Shuttle Shift.
I use a hydro driven sub compact everyday. It is mainly used in the support of maintaining a mobile home park so shifting would become a chore after the changes of speed needed in just one days work. Hydro made it easy to just go.
I like the hydro. I know it takes a little away from the PTO but unless you are pulling a ground engaging implement there isn’t a need for direct drive to get every HP to the rear wheels. I have a JD2038 that has switchable electronic auto throttle so you can use the hydro without revs, with any level of revs, or auto throttle like a car. After have the auto throttle I don’t want a tractor without it. I just love it and it’s simple enough anyone can use it. I use a stump grinder, mower, and tiller in a couple of months. When we get some land probably add a bush hog.
I love my hydro. Never used a shuttle-shift.
Shuttle Shift less whining and stronger feel when running it.My Tym 394 is so strong at the pto I've snapped 3 shear bolts in years time more power at the pto also with SS.
Fields=shuttle, woods=HST. Loader work=HST. Had a shuttle before, miss it every time I mow the fields. I hate the cruise on my L6060, just cannot get used to it (used to slow down around corners and bumps by clutching in). Glad I have HST now though because I have tons of cleanup, a lot of mowing in the woods, and the back and forth and fine speed control is just easier with HST. Just my 2 cents. Would have been interesting to see you use one of the tractors that was HST for the same application for about an hour, then switch to shuttle for an hour doing the same thing (woods/field, loader, etc.).
I have to disagree. Shuttle is better for wood work I think. I hate hydros because of the poor life expectancy. And shuttles are better in woods because of the work you must do in the woods. Tree work and skidding logs burns out hydros quick. The shuttle drive is just more solid.
I haven't seen anything lately about the grass you planted on the trail you cleared earlier this year
I grew up using old manual transmission tractors which were great except for loader work (always changing gears going back and forth). Bought a two range hydro tractor that was great for loader work, but terrible for hauling or mowing. Never tried a power reverser or shuttle shift, but I think those would be the best options.
I have a JD 3033R and had a 4310 prior to that, E shuttle on both, thought about ehydro on last one because I thought it would be safer on our steep hills with the wife but saved the money for implements and went with the shuttle. I think it does everything just fine and doesn't have that hydro whine
This choice you have challanged us with is not so easy to make. On a small tractor, 30hp and smaller, the work is lighter duty and usually requires a little finesse. So, I prefer Hydrostatic for that but when I run a larger tractor I much prefer the shuttle shift. Bottom line, they each have a purpose and I like them both. If I could only have 1 tractor it would be over 50 hp and be a shuttle shift.
Had a Kubota L5030 with hydro and loved it. Traded it in on an M6060 with shuttle shift. Love the M, but miss the hydro. Can't beat not needing any hands with the hydro.
I don't have fields, just cleared an acreage. I have HST, I love the tractor Mahindra Max 28xl with loader combo grapple and backhoe.
Up here in southern Manitoba the leaves don’t start to change until a good frost hit them.
Shuttle Shift (or, Power Reverser as Deere refers to it
Easy to use, no power loss as is found with hydrostatic transmissions...and with 12/12 reversers, if you can't find the right gear, maybe you shouldn't be on a tractor!
Seriously, I use the gear for the job and shuttle shift works best for me...plus, of course, no transmission whine
Enjoy that, thanks. Like brush hogging 😀
Hi Mike, I have ran both shuttle shift and hydro, if I were doing a lot of material moving in a yard I would prefer the shuttle shift. Couple years ago I bought a 1739E Massey Ferguson, it is a hydro after running mine for two years now I would pick the hydro there is just more variable speeds with the hydro. It really comes in handy for grinding stumps with my woodland mills grinder. I also do quite a bit of mowing and brush hogging so I would now pick a hydro.
Thanks for the great videos.
Jeffrey Misch
I have a Kubota L3901 with shuttle shift. I like it. I also have a few old Ford tractors that are gear drive.
Serious work,shuttle, playing,hst
Kudos for hearing protection!
I have a 1950 IH Farmall that is manual shift and a 2001 New Holland TC33D that is Hydro. I have driven shuttle shift when I worked for John Deere. After operating tractors for 40 years I prefer Hydro but even shuttle shift would be better than my old IH.
I have a lot of creeks on my property that have cliffs, I trust hydrostatic not to go over the ledge. Seems like it's easier to pull up like half of an inch if needed
Both have there benefits, I personally own a hst, wish I had a linked peddle, but my main tractor uses are snow removal (pusher and snow bucket) , fire wooding and light non commercial landscaping. I do have cruise control, never had to use it. My property is very similar to your, thick woods with narrow trails, hilly terrain.
I think if I was more geared towards brush hogging with no snow removal or heavy loader work, I would be incline to a shuttle shift setup, makes sense for longer periods on mowing work.
I went to RK Saturday, drove the 37 , I want that one , not sure on the shuttle or hydro, bad knees , I did like the shuttle..
I like power to ground and stabilized speeds for shuttle shift working in a barn yard . The hydro is nice for mowing and baling with infinite speed control.
Had shuttle now hydro. Shuttle was great for the work at that time. Now I mow around a lot of trees so the hydro is perfect.
Shuttle shift for me i like the simplicity and ability to choose the right gear for the job im doing. My LS Xr4140 is shuttle shift and its a beast easy to drive and has gobs of power
Had shuttle shifts when I was younger. Started having trouble with my legs and the clutch was going to become a problem so I switched to hydros. As long as your getting seat time, that's what really matters.
I have a Kubota L3901 with HST and cruise control. It is very easy for my wife and I to use.
Shuttle Shift for sure, it may be just me, but I like the more direct drive that a traditional transmission offers, , one time while plowing with a hydro I noticed that the ground speed seemed slow, for that tractor, and i had to actually back off the pedal a little so it had more power , and that affected ground speed, , dropped down a range to have more power, but speed was slow enough that it did not roll the dirt so well, , next day I hooked up a different tractor with a 3 range 3 speed trans, and it worked alot better, my 2 cents worth for 5 cents electricity.
Hydro with cruise. It's quick for new people to get comfortable with which is critical on a farm/in a pinch when you need someone else to operate.
Hts is convenient doing loader work and all around just a time saver and less work than an old 8x8 but have never used a shuttle set up
I like the power shift on my Honda 6522 it's a 22 hp diesel over head cam direct injected 4x4 no clutching just move the shifter on the fender like a car it's beats all others hands down
I have both, a 1984 Kubota L4150 shuttle shift and a 2016 Kubota L4760 HSTCC hydrostatic, both are ~50 HP at PTO, the 4150 is a bit older tractor but it has only ~1500 hours and still has more power available like when pushing snow as long as you can get traction the snow pushes right along, there is no electronic gadgets, the newer 4760 has full gadgetry and it has less power available and cuts back when over loaded (stall guard). when the tractors are lightly loaded there is not much difference but when you need the extra corn to push that snow just a little further back old shuttle shift will creep it out there, but for maneuvering around the heel/toe is a lot less work ad works very smooth. One a bit dangerous thing about the HST is the cycling the engine does when hauling tree length logs out from woods/ditch side as the log pulls starting out the engine adjusts and when the logs start to move the engine adjusts again gets a bit jerky at times especially on side hill. So for me when I need the full power I like the shuttle shift, for maneuvering ability I prefer HST.
Brush Hogging check another chore off the list until next time!!👍👊
I have to shift my 1976 International Harvester but that"s part of the fun ,the levers and gears keep me busy.
keeps your attention...
Definitely synchronized Shuttle. I'm starting to get used to my J.D. hydro. Its is really nice for loader work. But i miss my old kubota. It only had 2 ranges hi/lo, but it had 8 forward gears and 8 reverse gears. It too was a good loader tractor.
The only tractor I’ve driven had a standard gear stick with four forward gears and reverse along with high and low ranges.
Today I think I’d go for a hydrostatic drive. I’m not planning on ploughing soil to grow carrots. Zero till all the way.
I only drove an old Ford ‘50s tractor 🚜
so I’m in the dark, which is normal for me.
And I’m good w that. 🤪
Leaves are startin to show their colors along I-80. Centre and Clearfield Co.
Perfect 👍👍
Our smaller equipment has hydrostatic Transmissions which are great for loader work and other tedious tasks that require finesse. My wife generally likes the hydrostatic as it's easier to opereate.... our larger equipment all has shuttle shift which can take some more practice getting used to but is great for fieldwork...
I’m a hydro guy. Couldn’t imagine my other half ever driving the tractor without it.
Mike which RK Has most hours in it?? Seems like the rk 37 is the most used
I’m thinking i could do a lot more faster with a 35 + hp tractor. I’m using a Sub-Compact 25 hp now. My first and i love it. But always want more.
i like shuttle shift on other tractors i have operated , my MF is a clutch gear shift but i'm used to it but i mostly disc fields here and bush hog around fields and i've made a few shooting lanes for deer hunting with the bush hog and i used it to get my first food plot prepared and drag the driveway often anyway love my old MF 431 yes i have a strong left leg lol
HST. Most of my work is loading and construction and I like it in the woods . I have better control of the tractor. I live on the side of a mountain.
My Mahinda 2810 has shuttle shift it work great i plan is to upgrade in the next 2 years with a Grafter with the new tractors
Thumbs up
The shuttle shift I had was too jerky for loader work and you have to constantly take your hand off the steering wheel to shift making you not as fluid. I love my Hydra stats. Smooth strong and fast.
I grew up on grandpa's '39 and dad's '44 9N and gears. Dad got a 2008(?) hydro JD 3k series when I was a teen and that was a game changer. I had the option of "Shuttle" or Hydro JD 4052R this week and went with the hydro. FEL work with the hydro is too easy. My buddy has a Mehindra shuttle drive and it's a great (and well optioned) machine, but I can work so fast with one "gear" and F/R peddles. Heck, my 8 months pregnant wife was moving dirt in a matter of minutes with the Hydro. The hardest part for her was manipulating the loader. Amazing but simple tech on these things, either way.
It’s the same here in the uk all the oak trees still have green leaves on
Hi Mike, it’s getting dark here in the U.K. early in the evening now, we will soon be suffering from cabin fever!!!
As for shuttle or hydro, I think you answered that one for me to be honest Mike it all depends on what your doing, being honest I like them both and as long as the wheels keep turning I’m more than happy!!
Nice video as always Mike, take care . 👍
I know... it is getting darker earlier here as well. We will soon set our clocks back an hour on Nov. 4th, that will be dark at 5:30 in the early evening
Outdoors With The Morgans Hi Mike, Yes our clocks change on the 27th October (this coming weekend), I have to say probably like yourself I only ever want to grab as much daylight as possible to get those ever increasing jobs done, but hey Mike I suppose having a few extra hours through darkness isn’t such a bad thing, it gives me extra time to be with the wife and kids and enjoy the warmth of all that firewood I have worked so hard getting ready for the winter, my old dad always used to say “you always get two warming’s with wood” I’m sure you know what that means Mike 😄😉
Take care and many thanks for the reply, Martin
My sub-compact (BX2360) has hydro and it is great mowing and task where I have to do a lot of stopping and starting. My larger tractor (Mahindra 2816) is 100% gear driven. I would love to have shuttle shift for doing loader work. I may be wrong but I feel like the hydro doesn't have the same torque as a gear drive.
Hydrostatic is what I like best.
I have bought a hydro and I don't regret it at all !
because I don't have a large land and I use it primarily for snow removal < lot of it in northern Canada > and a bit of landscaping
I know that with hydro you loose a bit of power but it's not a problem for me
if I had a large land like you I would have choose shuttle for full power even if I find it less ergonomic to use
HST all the way, great for loader work.
Test drove a Shuttle. I prefer Hydro, because it is dead simple, and I am stoopid. ;) (mis-spelling intentional) I think with more practice, Shuttle would be okay, but my properties have three levels, front yard, house, and back yard. It's just much safer for me to have a Hydro. Shuttle has certain advantages for certain rear implements for sure....
you should put an "outdoors with the morgans" decal on the sheet metal section of the firewood totes. Make them official, lol
Hi
Great videos
Interesting topic
I have two hydrostatic Kubota tractors but I am just negotiating to buy a New Holland Boomer 50 manual shuttle shift.
My reasons are:
I always feel that the hydro needs max revs which makes it noisy
I want to pull a subsoiler and don’t feel the hydro has the grunt
When going downhill I don’t have the engine breaking that a manual shuttle has
When creeping through low speed close work the hydro sometimes is less controllable
Hope I am right🤞🏻
Michael🇬🇧
My JD X500 riding mower has hydrostat & I really like it. My big sub compact JD tractor is manual all the way. Don't know any other way in that dept.
Bill on the Hill... :~)
Compact tractor's, Hydro
Definitely.
Shuttleshift - don't like the high RPM on most Hydrostat's
Hydrostatic transmissions will run at any engine speed. In fact most now have the option of having the throttle tied to the pedal (auto throttle)
I’d love to see a video on tractor size! I have 27 wooded acres that I plan to build a home on...would love to know your opinion whether I could get by with am RK24 or need to pony up to the RK37. Pretty steep increase in price between the two.
Shuttle shift I feel that I have much better control. Have a Ventrac which is hydro and a wonderful machine for what it is meant to do but for the big jobs I go to the old Ford tractor.
Any idea there will be a power shuttle transmission in the works?
I’d love to hear an update on the RK37. I’m trying to decide what kind I’m gonna buy. I’m between the kubota, LS and RK37. The RK is really pulling me in because you get a lot more options with it opposed to the Kubota. I just don’t know...I’m torn
What happened to the trail you seeded down in grass did it turn out ok?
I agree with other comments. Shuttle shift for woods and general work. HST is good for loader work, and frequent FWD to REV jobs.
Shuttle shift, in control of the power. While bush hogging i very the speed. My cutter has two rear wheels and I don't hook up the top link. I can back it up or down over a hill.
Never run a shuttle shift, not sure how it works to be honest. I have an older tractor, so clutch for me 😁
There’s an old joke that ended with the punchline, “Do you want that in a shuttle shift or hydrostat?” Actually it might have been, “... three point or fast hitch?” but your title made me think of it.
Hydrostat. Just the choice i made. I have not used a shuttle shift.
Either or but having driven all types of transmission shuttle is good, especially when you have the remote clutch. Honestly I don't mind as long as I am on a tractor.
I have a question and a request please. I am looking to purchase a sub compact tractor i have narrowed those choices down to the RK 24 or the massey GC1710. They are lots of video and info on the GC1710 but virtually nothing on the RK24 except your vids. So my question and request is this can you show and speak about how to service and maintain the RK24? I know you did one on the 55 but i need to know about the 24 it would be alot of help to my decision on what tractor to purchase. Performance wise both are pretty equil they both have some advantages and disadvantages for my purpose so service ability is probably going to be what helps me make my choice.
I have had both - Hydro is better in my opinion. Unless you do one thing all day like drag a mower around in forward, but even getting into tight spaces hydro is better.
For me it’s a shuttle shift on my kioti 7230 2015 model
Hey Mike, I've spent a good bit of time on both in the under 60 hp range. I must say i like hydro for brushhogging in tight areas where I have to do a lot of backing up, but shuttle shift for everything else. For my personal tractor i chose shuttle shift because for plowing and tilling fields its the only way to go- hydro boggs down too much. I would be interested to see how much life i get out of the clutch, but to be honest i plan on trading in for a new tractor every three years or so so i expect it wont be an issue. Keep the videos coming, i dont know how you have time to do them now and will be tougher when we turn the clocks in a couple weeks.
I know...we just talked about turning the clocks back on November 4, I will have to get bigger outdoor lights
I own two tractors. A small one with a shuttle shift and a larger one with a hydrostatic transmission. I find it difficult to hop off the tractor with the hydrostatic transmission and move to the tractor with the shuttle shift. It's like learning a new tractor all over again. However, I find it very easy to move from the tractor with the shuttle shift to the tractor with the hydrostatic transmission. So, I am a firm believer in the hydrostatic transmission.
Hst on the kubota. Easy to work with. Just turn up the rpm’s
Mine is shuttle shift, I know hydro is also good but I’m not ready to warm up to an auto
Hydolic shuttle , no Kioti 6620 , and the DK 4510👍👍
Nice job on the camera positioning at the intro - your head isn’t halfway down the frame this time!