Hey, i'm the guy Cobbler mentions at 6:58: I wanted to say thank you to Cobbler for taking the time to look at some of the sources I suggested, and i'm also going to give some additional insight on some of what the video brings up and some corrections, as the scheduling for the video production and my availability didn't quite line up for me to give input to catch stuff while the script was being made. I'll start with some notes about images and terminology, then will get into the political dynamics and other juicy stuff. Not all the images used in the video are particularly authentic: This is a hard problem to work around because the VAST majority of artwork depicting Mesoamerica and the conquest aren't visually representative. To speak generally, Mesoamerican cities had buildings covered in smooth stucco and richly painted murals, carved reliefs, etc as well as infrastructure like roads, aqueducts, and the like, and then suburbs radiating out around that. People wore rich colored and patterned cloaks, blouses, and jewelry of gold, jade, turquoise, etc: The stereotype of cities being a few buildings with grey blocks surrounded by jungle or people in primitive looking cobbled together rags, feathers and bones isn't right. On that same token, "tribe", "chief" etc aren't really applicable terms: Like how they had actual cities, these were actual city-states, empires, republics, etc with kings, diplomats, senators, multi-tiered judicial systems and appellate courts, etc. In practice, this means the art of Tlatelolco at 19:46 and Chalco at 49:30 (Scott and Stuart Gentling), of Tenochtitlan at 1:06:16, the Battle of Otumba at 51:0 (Peter Dennis), the plaza at 59:43, the final 3d animation at the end, and most of the small animated character cutouts (Daniel Parada aka Kamazotz or Zotzcomic, tho his art for the Mexica of the Aztec capital of Tenochtitlan are used even for Maya, Tlaxalteca etc people here ince I never sent Cobbler the other sheets. Cobbler also did some additional erronous tweaks like showing kings with quetzal headdresses (it's not actually a "crown"!), or how "Fat king" Xicomecoatl of Cempoala or the Tlaxcalteca at some points look) are all accurate, BUT the backgrounds (the people are mostly by zotz and are mostly good again), at 13:21, 17:10, 25:34, 25:3932:06, 32:1755:1657:431:00:31 etc aren't authentic, nor is the art at 12:1936:34, 40:0850:051:00:23 1:13:11 etc in general. Similarly, the maps shown at 18:32 and 25:16 and so on have an issue: While the Aztec Empire's borders are fine, ONLY Aztec territory is shown, even though there were other states in Mesoamerica: Cobbler brings up Tlaxcala, Cholula, and Huextozinco (all Nahua, so the same culture as most core Aztec states, but not politically a part of the Aztec Empire), but other enclaves included the Otomi kingdom of Metztitlan, the Tlapenec kingdom of Yopitzinco, and the Mixtec kingdom of Tututpec (which was a remnant of a of an empire founded by 8-Deer-Jaguar-Claw centuries prior, who was an absolute gigachad with a crazy life story,: literal "massacres his entire enemy dynasty only to die when the one boy he left alive grows up and takes revenge" stuff) To the west of the Aztec was the Purepecha Empire: They made a lot of bronze and crushed attempted Aztec invasions, after which the two empires militarized and fortified their border. Even further west you had various states around Colima and Jalisco, and of course the Yucatan Peninsula to the east of the Aztec empire had various Maya states. Ironically, the map at 14:21 actually DOES show those state divisions for Central and Western Mexico... but not the Maya region, which is mostly what's in view! And now, the juicy political stuff: In the video, Xicotencatl I is described as a king, but Tlaxcallan was a republic: While quite a few Nahua city-states had some oligarchical or representational governmental aspects (Even Tenochtitlan had councils who could nominally elect or depose kings), but Tlaxcala especially emphasized those elements and was mostly ruled by a senate open to both commoners and nobles (One had to undergo public beatings and insults to prove one's commitment, and then years of legal and ethical training). So Xicotencatl I (and his son) were, IIRC, high ranking senators, though there are some accounts which assert that Tlaxcallan was made up of 4 sub cities and Xicotencatl I may have been king of one of these, but many researchers think the entire idea of those subcities is revisionism. (So too may be the "Triple alliance" for the Aztecs: Texcoco/Teztzcoco and Tlacopan were undoubtedly important political centers in the Aztec empire that aided Tenochtitlan in the empire's founding war to topple Azcapotzalco; but some believe the idea of Texcoco being on equal terms with Tenochtitlan originally was revisionism by Alva Ixtlixochtli, who pops up at 1:07:45, during the early colonial period). And even if he was a king, the senate was still the more important ruling body. All this talk of subcities, these kingdoms and empires under joint leadership etc should show that political dynamics and state structure could be quite complex and fluid in Mesoamerica: You constantly had different political factions within empires and alliances vying for power and influence and often dynamically and opportunistically switching sides or launching coups to get ahead: This was enabled because most Mesoamerican kingdoms and empires didn't usually directly govern their subjects or culturally assimilate them, or even necessarily replace rulers: The Aztec Empire and many other Mesoamerican empires were more networks of relationships between more or less powerful states which still had their own ambitions and ability to act independently, then actual unified imperial polities. This obviously ties into what Cobbler brings up about the Cholula massacre, and it potentially being a Tlaxcalteca instigated incident: I don't have a personal take on what was the most likely "true" version of what happened, but I do think the idea of it being a Tlaxcalteca plot is a good illustration of those political dyanmics and how a lot of "The Conquest" was really Mesoamerican states using Conquistadors to their own opportunistic benefit. In fact, what Cobbler DOESN'T mention is that after the massacre, they actually propped up a Tlaxcalteca aligned regime in the city: If you subscribe to it being a Tlaxcalteca plot, then it's not just a vengeful act, but actually putting Cholula back within Tlaxcala's sphere of influence. The next video will hopefully go into this much more, but the Tlaxcalteca (potentially) manipulating conquistadors into installing a Tlaxalteca puppet regime in Cholula is FAR from the only example of this sort of thing: Cobbler mentions that Xicomecoatl complained about Aztec rule over Cempoala and was convinced by Cortes to tax Aztec tax collectors, but what wasn't said is that the Totonacs of Cempoala got Cortes to help them raid an "Aztec fort" nearby, which was really the city of Tzinpantzinco, which alongside Cempoala was the head of one of 3 major Totonac kingdoms and was Cempoala's main local rival state. There's even accounts which suggest that The Totonacs led Cortes into Tlaxcalteca territory to get them attacked, either to get rid of the Conquisradors, or perhaps even under the orders of Aztec emissaries who were using the Totonacs to test the Conquistadors while the Totonacs were also using them at the same time: So Cortes, the Totonacs, Aztec, etc are all uneasily claiming to be on good terms but are at the same time also using the other two to undermine each other! This sort of complex factionalism isn't limited to the Mesoamerican states: As Cobbler mentions, Cortes and Velázquez were not on good terms and were also both using one another to try to benefit from/claim success from the expedition, and while Cobbler asserts that Cortes was not so much the singular invader to do the conquest and more a cog in the Spanish colional machine, we actually even see later that Velázquez sends OTHER Conquistador groups that even ally with the Mexica of the Aztec capital in the process (though if those alliances would have lasted had they succeeded in capturing Cortes is obviously questionable) ------------ I could go on for another 12 paragraphs about all these political dyanamics, but I'll cut it there and leave the rest for the next video! To wrap up my comment, here's some miscellaneous stuff: - Regarding Malinche, calling her "Aztec" may be misleading: There's competing info for where she was born, and only SOME of those places were within the Aztec Empire. And just because a city was is in the Aztec Empire, doesn't mean one was "culturally' Aztec: Again, the Aztec Empire was hands off and usually left existing rulers, laws, and customs in place when it conquered a city, so these states still had their own cultures and even their own political identities. Many were Maya, Mixtec, Zapotec, Otomi, Tototnac or Huastec etc, rather then Nahua (check out my comment on Cobbler's "What did the Romans think of the Greeks?" video for how the Mexica viewed those other cultures!), and there were even divisions between different Nahua groups: The Mexica vs the Tlaxcalteca (who again, weren't even part of the empire) vs the Acolhua vs the Tepaneca etc were all Nahuas, but saw themselves as distinct ethnic groups, to a degree. You can even subdivide further: The Tenochca vs Tlatelolca for the Mexica, for example. We're also not sure if Malinche's name was originally Malinalli, that's simply one proposal, and the word isn't for a "god of grass", but rather the calendrical sign "grass". (These signs were both the names of days/years, and also astrological signs). A lot of Mesoamerican cultures had calander signs as part of their names, though it was unusual in Nahuatl. RAN OUT OF SPACE, CONTINUED BELOW!
CONTINUED FROM ABOVE: - Regarding Macuahuitl, it should be noted that they came in a variety of sizes, shapes, as well as arrangements of blades, beyond just how they are shown and described here: Some were one rather then two, handed, some had a curved or boomerang shaped club, some were more like "glaives" affixed to long shafts, some (I suspect most since this would make them more effective at slashing, with the gaps depicted in codices being artistic stylization) had no spaces between their blades, others had triangular sawtooth edges, etc. Also, they were FAR from the only weapon used by the Mesoamericans: For polearms, you had traditional spears, Tepoztopilli which acted like halbreds, spears with weird serrated heads, long 12+ pikes, and the aformentioned "glaives". Some Gulf Coast ceramics seem to even show "pole axes" with different implements on different parts of the shafthead! For more actual clubs rather then sword-clubs, you had simple clubs, clubs with large stone spikes (sometimes many!) almost like war picks, bats or batons with stone flanges or studs, and maces with ball, ring, or flanged heads. There were also axes, and more esoteric melee weapons. For projectile weapons, the atlatl was the main one and a symbol of royal power and civilized warfare. Slings and Bows were also used, but in Central Mexico bows were seen as less refined and more as hunting tools due to associations with the nomadic chichimeca of Northern Mexico (The Tlaxcalteca may have used bows more then other Central Mexican Nahua states, since they embraced the fact the Nahuas had thei origins in Chichimeca who migirated down and adopted Mesoamerican civilization more then other Nahua groups: The main patron god in Tlaxcallan was the Chichimeca aspect of the hunting diety Mixcoatl, for example) Again, like how Mesoamerican cities and clothing were refined and developed, so too were their weapons: They may have been wood and stone (though some were bronze or copper), but they were still finely made, had different types and functions for used in organized warfare, and many were finely engraved or had inlays of metal or precious stones. Mesoamerican armor was similarly varied and well made: Soldiers wore padded gambeson tunics and vests, more elaborate warsuits and tunics over the gambeson ones, these being covered in mosaics of tens of thosuands feathers with the different resulting patterns indicating rank and unit divisions. Those feather mosaic patterns also covered the exterior of shields (which too had a variety of shapes and materials, some circular, square, some being capable of folding, etc, though the normal circular shield usually had a backing of wood or multiple layers of bound bamboo slats... Yes, Mexico has native bamboos!), and some helmets (also often wood or bamboo frames). There were also more obscure armor types, like "barrel" shaped breastplates and copper/gold/silver mail jackets (though this was primarily ceremonial). Commanders/officers also had elaborate back mounted banners, sort of like the flags Samurai had. - Regarding 14:53, Bernal Diaz wasn't the only Spainard claiming the Mesoamericans descended from jews: Diego Duran also claims this in The History of the Indies of New Spain", which was a history of the Mexica and Tenochtitlan he produced by consulting Mexica nobles and scribes. IIRC there's some actual theological-political justification behind tying the Mesoamericans to the jews but I forget the specifics. That claim aside, Duran's History as a whole is actually the cheapest and most accessible book you can get if you want to read about Aztec kings, wars, and other major events of their political history sort of in their own words, down to the specific speeches kings gave, the battles on campaigns, etc.... though, obviously, it's not totally free of Spanish influence (or Romanticism/revionism by the Mexica informants) and Duran is just sort of talking out of his butt with the jew thing. Even today, sadly, some people, often Mormon sources, insist the Mesoamericans are a lost tribe of Israel. Also, some stuff that I goofed up with in the first comment that I can't edit now since it's pinned: - "and was convinced by Cortes to tax Aztec tax collectors" was meant to be "and was convinced by Cortes to jail Aztec tax collectors" - "we actually even see later that Velázquez sends OTHER Conquistador groups...." was supposed to say "in order to arrest Cortes for treason" before mentioning how those groups allied with the Mexica to do so - "A lot of Mesoamerican cultures had calander signs as part of their names", that is to say, as part of names for people in that culture, not the name of the culture itself - "One had to undergo public beatings and insults to prove one's commitment, and then years of legal and ethical training" is in reference to the requirements to become a Tlaxcalteca senator. Also, if people want to learn more about Tlaxcala/Tlaxcallan, I highly suggest Stefan Milo's video on it! - "So Cortes, the Totonacs, Aztec, etc are all uneasily claiming to be on good terms but are at the same time also using the other two to undermine each other!"... As in, going by those interpretations of events: The Mexica would be feigning disinterested civility while trying to get the Conquistadors, Totonacs, and Tlaxcalteca all to fight one another to determine the Conquisrador's military ability; Cortes was telling both the Totonac and Mexica he's really on their side and is just playing the other party; and the Totonac would be pretending to be Cortes's allies while actually spying on them for the Mexica and potentially pitting them against the Tlaxcalteca, while they've already used them to also get rid of local Aztec tax officials and their local rival city-state of Tzinpantzinco.
Fantastic analysis my man. I never was interested in history other than the world wars. But Cobblers videos and your comments have entirely changed my perspective. Well done
"The system needed Monsters to work. So they paid men, handsomely, to be monsters." Is one of the most fire lines to ever come out of this channel. Thank you for that.
DJ peach cobbler is not a polished industry tested creative. He is a raw and undefinable being of barely restrained homo-erotic rage. A true military man.
as Mexican. nothing like having a guy with pie for a head completely shatter my education the goverment has given me for 20 years of my life about the Mexica conquest. Also your videos are great keep it up.
@@julianfigini5177A lot. By Mexican government Spaniards came and somehow conquered the Aztec empire and slave the natives. In resume spaniards we’re bad an greedy, and natives were innocent and the victims. And also I remember that in the school the books said that the Aztecs believed that Cortez was Quetzalcoatl (a main good in the region) and because of that they let him enter tenochtitlan and avoid kill him.
@@natanrosales9064 May I ask which state are you? In my school although they teached the Aztecs believing Cortes to be a god, but they also talked of how horrible the Aztecs were (Speaking english so anglos can follow the conversation)
@@Leo-ok3ujya in my socal history book they still focus on sacrifice so a lot of demonizing..although they said “the Spanish could have exaggerated” but they didn’t teach us about all the advancements of the empire
As a guy who does have a history degree, I have to say... This is some really solid history. It is very easy for amateurs to focus in too much on the individual and lose that every person on Earth is shaped by the society and culture in which they reside, and therefore by the history which brought about their societies and cultures.
At the moment you use fossil fuels that civilians have been killed over, in 500 years do you think people will look back at you as being moralistic? No of course not, 500 years ago these people believed in human sacrifice, today most people fill up their tanks without a second thought, point is morals ARE subjective to the times and the culture you live in, so it's you that is wrong@@LucidFL
Which is pretty interesting when you shed that kind of light in other historical events... like oh... the French Revolution. -Drops that and leaves. Refusing to elaborate-
My favorite part about your videos is that they are somehow completely disjointed and schizophrenic, yet simultaneously also totally cohesive and digestible. It’s a very unique sort of content.
These videos may not be entirely logically coherent but they are emotionally coherent. This video makes you feel like a dedicated scholar who knows the real truth through devoted study but finds the faculties he needs to express himself have atrophied.
It's a good way to approach storytelling, but it's not necessarily unique. Nonlinear storytelling is common in movies, and if you've ever read or done college or higher level essays it's very common to start with an idea that is seemingly irrelevant but ties into the greater narrative. I'll admit it's not very common on something like UA-cam where usually not much skill is involved in writing scripts.
This will be a DJ Peach Cobbler classic, I just know it. The presentation. The aesthetic. The comedy. It's all here, in this 1.3 hour video, and it's damned solid. Thank you, seriously. I paused my Sunlight Medal grind in DS3 to actually pay attention. I do not regret it.
@@DJPeachCobbler I have a question for you do you play assassin's Creed because if you do you can talk about series regression overtime. You know next time you do video game review please 👍👍👍.
Holy fuck, I know he's basically just spitting back out words that other guys in the past have said but Cobbler cuts DEEP. He really just said, "look at the worst person in history you can think of. Now look back at yourself. You're both just human. Ask yourself why they did what they did, and why you do what you do." I actually got chills when he got around to why everything happened and it was all still just for greed.
We are not animals, every Human being is its own tapestry. Although you may be able to relate with all people at a basic level, the complexities of one's neurology cannot be understated. You can't walk in the shoes of a psychopath unless you are one.
@@bustavonnutz you're sort of missing the point there, it isn't that, "oh you could be a psychopath and super evil," it's that plenty of bad people were just "normal" people who felt like their actions were good or justified. It's a call to reflect on yourself and the things that motivate people, to ask if there's anything that you use to justify questionable actions that are just normal to you. To look at someone today who you think is evil and try to understand why they don't think they are or why they believe they are justified. Supply chain managers buy materials they know were harvested with child or forced labour, are they just all psychopaths, physically unable to connect with fellow humans? No, they can't all be, they justify it by saying "it's the most profitable," or, "we're supporting industry in developing countries." The conquistadors slaughtered thousands, they justified it in their own ways, "God supports us, we're protecting the righteous from sinners, my future has no prosperity if this doesn't succeed," etc. Just try to understand yourself and others better rather than writing people off as "just evil" or "just psychopaths."
@@XSniper74184 What is "normal"? How much is our baseline biological humanity is influenced by cultural or societal upbringing? I'm not sure if it's really possible to walk in the shoes of our ancestors without a full appreciation of the context they lived with every day of their lives. I'm not sure we can truly judge them or apply a modern moral framework to those who come from ages lost to time. Of course there are objective evils that these conquistadors perpetrated, but their justifications are also clearly stated. If you know that the thousands of people that you slaughter were made rich from the slaughter & subjugation of others, is it a leap to justify your actions towards them? I think this is the biggest difficulty with subjective historical analysis. All we can do is look at what's been handed down, but what conclusions we draw from it are up to us fam.
I’m Jewish (ashkenazi family made it through) and same. Feels a little odd that we can both laugh about it, but… good at the same time in a weird way. All it takes is someone funny enough like DJ Peach Cobbler 😂
I have a masters in classics focused on Roman history. The best and also most frustrating part about studying any time period is the opportunity for the narrative to be complicated and unclear. That's usually when the most interesting details about events and how we have retold them get revealed. Really solid work Cobbler. Great video.
Well, the nature of memory is that it's essentially mostly fabricated anyways, to fit some current need or social context, and the very perception of the past event is shaped by social contexts themselves. There can be no unbiased, objective rendition of things. Combine that with "the past in the past", and just like with archaeology and history, people of the past used inference and social needs to fabricate explanations for what they perceived, and then pieced it together into narratives to make it cohesive and meaningful
@@andrewbowen2837 That's usually the key, understanding what biases your sources has and negotiating with them. I find it interesting a lot of people seek to "unbias" a source, when often the fact that the sources is is the fun part. Like Suetonius talking about the Roman emperors. He makes the whole thing out to be a family soap opera with impossible details that he very clearly just made up for the drama.
You ever read “history of the Roman Empire” by Edward Gibbons? That’s a book everyone who studies Rome needs to read. First volume published in the greatest year of all time 1776. It doesn’t have any of the interpretations of various emperors we’ve gained over the year. So you get a much more accurate view of things. In my opinion.
@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 I am familiar with Gibbons. It is worth noting that his work is considered enormously outdated by contemporary academic standards.
dj peach cobbler is by far my favorite youtuber not because he can make videos that could hold my attention till the heat death of the universe or that his channel is, much like my life, a seamless blend of gaming, history, and schizophrenia, but because when he makes other characters he simply replaces the face with another circular dessert
As an autistic man, freshly enticed into the army, your ongoing and genuine bouts of madness are what prop up my own sanity and eventual foray into the UA-cam.
Marina seems like she be getting a lot of hate for 'betraying' a people who sold her into slavery and pretended that she was dead. I mean... I'm not saying that Cortez treated her particularly well either. But I'm not sure that she owed anyone a debt of loyalty. Maybe if you want someone to be loyal to your group... And I know this is a wild idea... Don't sell them into slavery and pretend that they're dead. Did anyone even invite her to the Minecraft tournament?
"How have the gears of civilization ground you" is such a hard ass line. Thank you Lord DJesus P. Chobbler for the content I will inevitably rewatch an unhealthy number of times.
As a Romeaboo with a love for Aztec history and untangling competing historical narratives, I am very vindicated that this is your greatest video yet and overjoyed that you share my particular fascinations so I can consume this high quality content.
Dude, that endind was extremely insightful. Focusing on the systems that make people is really a more level headed and actually more compassionate way to look at history
The last 30 or-so minutes of this video are some of the most importent I have witnessed. I feel like D.J. PeachCobbler is one of those channels you can't really recomend, but I do wish I could show at least those 30 minutes to everyone I know. This is what I wish they tought in schools. Contex. Neuance. Introspection.
Gonna list out all the sources when I'm done with part two. I should have emphasized Cortes’ thing with classical antiquity and ancient conquerors more than The Tale of Amadis, but yknow For now, 'When Montezuma Met Cortes' by Mathew Restall and 'The True History of The Conquest of New Spain' by Bernal Diaz are both great books I highly recommend, even if the latter has many accuracy problems.
My God DJPC, unbelievable. I'm not gonna make a hee-hee le funny joke here, this is a masterpiece. In an age when "content creators" are moving toward cheap, easy, disposable content, this is truly a work of art. Thank you and keep up the phenomenal work.
We are indeed not in that age, so many amazing channels makes really diamond contents but simply not everyone enjoys them, so many of those great content creators have fixated viewers. Indeed he is good content creator but we are simply not in that age...yet
@@craig3077pray to God for guidance against those times UA-cam is the only good thing to come for art in this cursed century... Colleges sure seem to avoid "a" in the "steam" movement
"I need you to look up and see what's coming out of the other side of the wood chipper". Jesus God damn Christ. That is the greatest line I've ever heard in my entire life. Nothing goes harder than that.
Goddamn Cobbler Easily one of your best things yet. This one has been especially delightful and nuanced in its approach. That whole denouement at the end was incredibly insightful and points out the thing I feel like most people forget. That we are all products of society and what that society values. (Also, as usual, your comedic timing still fuckin kills) I am so fucking glad that you’re still making these videos, cannot wait for more ❤️❤️❤️
Mexican here, sorry if my english is bad but i wanted to praise the effort you put in your video and also give my point of view about some of the perspectives i see some people in my country have about our history, the history of México it has always have been a sore subject to touch both in academic and family spaces, from my point of view i came with some perspectives about our history as mexican's, in my family most of them don't question what have they been tought because they see no reason to question, it dosen't change the fact of what happen, and in some aspects is true, but as you said in the video, there is context for some of the decisions of the people in that era, and some of those decision don't come from some evil place but from a context given by the culture and sistem's in which they were born, sistems which don't care about individuals. And in academic places its even more difficult to discuss this subject whitout enter in political opinions, because the point of view about this time its gonna come, most probably, from a political point of view and thats because the history taught of México comes from political views. I'm studying philosophy in my hometown and we study about our history and the born of our nationality, in the career we come to question the version we have been given because the version we heard comes from politicians trying to create a sense of patriotism, so they try to enlight the figure of the náhuatl and vilanize the figure of the spains, but also trying to maintain religious values, so they can push their politics and schools of thought, and studying the history of my country it have always given me this uncanny feeling of how little people try to really know about the history of their country because they think it doesn't concern them or affect them. Sorry if end up in a ramble, it just that your video is so well made that it makes me think about all this subjects i'm studying, thanks for showing interest in the history of Mesoamerica and give the effort to check all your sources even if you end up in a rabbit hole. (Again sorry for my english)
Una pena que AMLO se la pase diciendo que la corrupción llegó a México por culpa de Cortés y demás sinsentidos de esa clase. La historia no puede ser maniquea para dividirla entre buenos y malos (salvo contadísimas excepciones), y mucho menos la historia de hace tantos siglos. La conquista es un hecho histórico harto complejo e interesante que cambió la historia de millones de personas. Pero, hoy por hoy, sólo podemos tener las certezas que hemos heredado: que México habla español, que es mayoritariamente cristiana y que hay gentes de diverso mestizaje y origen.
Except for some typo's here and there that was some solid understanding of the english lexicon my guy I dont know much about mexican history and thus cant comment on the nuances, but "shit happens" is usually a decent way to feel about any historical happening.
@@KnightOfTheSadFigure a ver, que tratar a los conquistadores como "salvajes" sin atender al contexto histórico y cultural... Eso sí es una salvajada. Es lo mismo que si nos echáramos las manos a la cabeza porque los romanos esclavizaran a los pueblos vencidos: una parida
Como peruano se lo que te refieres, sin embargo irónicamente la mayoría de nosotros somos en mayor o menor grado también españoles, de sangre o de cultura, al final del día nuestra carne y mente no solo es aquella que fue oprimida y aniquilada, sino aquella que tronchó a los habitantes originales de nuestras tierras incluso antes de la llegada de los europeos. Aceptar esa realidad, que somos el producto de circunstancias y narrativas y tener la fortaleza mental de entender que estas no son destinos inevitables es quizás el mayor logro intelectual que podemos lograr.
To be fair, he styles himself as a big-brained diplomat in his letters, in between explaining why he's so awesome and played all the indians and fought forty-thousand maya and curbstomped them, in between excusing why he went against Diego Velasquez and how to keep himself within the spanish law, since he studied law before his whole conquistador schtick. it's very intersting, and I recommnd it, even if I am having trouble reading it in it's original spanish language, and it's highly different from modern mexican spanish.
Something about the way this history was told, it made the strory of Cortez' conquest so much more real. Even when i was younger, the way the history was told "aka they thought he was a god" seemed mythical/tall tale like. This, is such a hearbreaking story of a fall of a great civilization but it feels so human and realistic. I've felt a such a strange emotion listening to this.
@@fiddlesticks7245That Christianity engaged in far more bloody ritual sacrifices yearly. 30 years of killing people in the name of god in Germany not ring a bell?
I'd definitely like to see you discuss the sordid history of Belgium's involvement in colonialism. They were honestly vying to be a European Superpower but failed so nobody talks about it. That being said, every single iteration of their Congo colony was a travesty in and of itself which would make the mustache men of the 20th century blush. Then there's the Rwanda situation. Ohhhh Rwanda. Basically all of their attempts at empire building failed painfully and disastrously.
an Irish revolutionary (Roger Casement) was one of the guys who broke that story to the world and later went on to disavow imperialism and fund the 1916 rising
If his story started with the war that split Belgium from the Netherlands, I would like to see it. I think their long march to colonial butchery in Africa started there, but who can say for sure.
Frankly the Austrians crimes are overhyoed in general,dont get me worng he was bad. Just well less so then Mao,Ghengis Khan,Pol Pot and more im to lazy to look up right now. The focus on old Adolf as the ultimate evil has always seemed weird to me..
@@LanMandragon1720there are people alive who were victims of the Austrian's regime. It still affects a ton of people (and politics in general) to this day. Not a lot of people who are living victims of Genghis Khan anymore. Pol Pot and Mao are pretty much universally despised outside of China for Mao.
15:39 Diaz’s account of the tribes being descended from the tribes of Israel was a somewhat common belief among Europeans at one point. It’s the whole backstory for the Mormon religion.
I always wait to like his videos until the end just because he always ends up deserving it. Yet I'm still impressed each time with the quality and uniqueness of his videos. 🙏
This is an insanely well made video. Every time I see your videos, the bar just gets raised. This video alone has given me a feeling I didn't know I could feel, the thought of the entire system being at fault for the monsters in society is truly something that is mind-opening, even if it sounds obvious. The way it's presented here shows you exactly why, in the context of 1500's Medieval Spanish Conquest.
More long videos like this please. The quality, dedication, and passion you have for this channel, this audience, and the content you produce is incredible.
As someone who experienced the early 2000s era Christian youth ministries events, such as lock ins and game nights, he's completely accurate, and I feel your pain.
I'm so happy you found that Aztec death whistle. "Context matters because you should interrogate your own context." So happy I found this channel when I did.
I feel most people replying to you are memes, but I just want to say thank you for making this content. I think it speaks to certain type of person and I think Peach has had a similar journey to many men growing up in this digital age. I think he retains his edgy humor, but it is sharped to a knife's point here. Love the history, and I love the unabashed takes to deconstruct similar content creators. Also the computer seems inspired by Courage the Cowardly Dog, but maybe that is just me?
I’m not smart enough to know how to properly praise this work. All I can say is that this is possibly one of the best UA-cam series I have ever watched.
This is truly impressive and interesting. It's good to have an opportunity to interrogate the 'history' of the Conquistadors that I learned about in middle and/or high school. The takeaway is, after all, that we live in a society, and we have done for over 500 years now.
In middle school I learned about the good and just and pious Conquistadors. In high school I learned that they actually were monsters ... and DJ P Cobbler has just schooled me on "no! Actually they were fabricated monsters and scapegoats on a payroll"... wild.
@@jullcepts8780Which are still monsters, but now with added context, which context allows us to look at our societies and examine what is incentivized and assigned value through payment and other rewards.
Just when I thought it couldn’t get any better, an hour into a great history video, you go on this long speech putting it all into a modern context and leaving me with food for thought for weeks to come. You truly are inspirational and inspiring, I cannot thank you enough for your work and for educating us years after school has finished
Joking aside, this channel really is the only one that perfectly balances out the information it provides with humor that helps digest it. I always find myself thinking about something new when I click one of your videos and most of the time with an unexpected gut punch
Dog's do circles before laying down for two main reasons. the first is to take one last 360 look around themselves before resting so as to ensure security, the second is to better carve out a nest in the ground and make themselves more comfortable.
Absolutely incredible. I wrote a comment a long time ago that posited in an internet-safe and modern ironic way that you were a great editor, video maker and above all story teller, who, at the time, was afraid to embrace your talents and hid behind a self-conscious veneer of irony. You hearted that comment seemingly because it was funny, but I believe (and hope) you may have also taken it to heart. Since then you have improved immensely, and I think that is not only owed to your increased production value but your confidence as well. I do not know where your content will take you, but in my (far too many) hours on UA-cam I believe you are creating something truly unique on this platform. Regardless of how well this channel does and how it's remembered, as you know that isn't always up to you, I have no doubt that if you continue with this level of quality, commitment and creativity you will create something worth celebrating.
This video has moved me to tears. So much i want to express, and yet i have no vocabulary to do it. That i know nothing about this or any topic i've ever gotten introduced to by this channel both humbles and terrifies me. I can't believe you went so far to make these tales understandable for chuds like me. I salute your work cobbler, i really like your stories. Keep on being awesome bro.
I got to say I absolutely love the direction your content is going in. The quality keeps improving with every video. I do miss the white board way of explaining things though
Cobbler I recently asked if you were doing okay after you shaved your head on Reddit. Now I see it was just a coping mechanism in response to dropping a 1.15 hour epic on the Aztecs. This is that good schizo history shit I love to see. Keep them coming because these story's need to be told. In your storytelling method is the only palpabl why my dip shit brain can understand it.
Where is the love button when you need it! It's weird I was saying EXACTLY the same thing to my nephew regarding slavery yesterday as the ending of this video states, "whether the perpetrators were evil or not doesn't matter, that was not the cause of this, the cause is the SYSTEM, what does the system reward, what does it incentivise and glorify, schools don't teach children these lessons because if we look at our world today we may wonder how our current system is providing the exact same incentives".
The line: "I don't care about the status of this man's soul, only about the system that made having a soul a liability." Goes so fucking hard and might be one of the best historical takes I've ever heard.
I love how Cobbler has the most fantasmagorical effect on his viewers, giving us the terrifyingly beautiful ability to channel HP lovecrafts diction in the UA-cam commentary section.
You've honestly become my favourite history channel, despite not even really being a history channel. The focus on philosophy and characters which created the world as we know it is simply something no other content creator that I know of do nearly as well
I’m on my fifth watch through of this whole series. Just can’t get over how good it is. It combines history, politics, human nature and story telling all in one feverish experience 10/10, foreskin letting is a vibe.
Books will change your life in ways impossible to recognize. I think we've reached the same with youtube creators. This is one of the videos I have been thinking about over the last few weeks. So many good lines and interesting ideas that I just keep coming back. Excellent work.
I will be waiting diligently for the next two parts. The thoroughness of this historia is amazing. Gives a lot to think about the different factions and politics at play in the overall world. Also, Aim High Airman!
Your history videos consistently get me thinking when I watch them, especially the last bits about Cortez being a product of the system he was in and the necessity of context both in understanding the past and present. Very well done funny pie man.
I really love you bringing Smedely Butler back up again and hope you finding a way to do so in every video will become a running thing on this channel. Hes a personal hero of mine and not nearly enough people even know his name, let alone what he came to stand for
This is very good. I have been burned so many times. When you talked about diaz making stuff up and hearing from a university professor, I thought "god dammit, not again". But you blended what is actual valid revision and historical context with first hand accounts pretty fuckin fairly/accurately. Including the reconconquista for context is based and nobody does it. Too bad your isreal video is gone
Love your videos man. The unhinged humour and well sort information is what pulled me in from the get-go. Also, the last part about the bug people reassured me that I didn't make a mistake picking this channel over watching pirated movies. I AM HERE FOR THIS!
I keep on coming back to this video. This is truly some of the best history content you can find on UA-cam, and it wasn't even made by a historian, great analysis, and work, Cobbler
'Ritualized execution' is almost always a better term for what we usually refer to as 'Sacrifice'. A sacrifice means that you are giving up something that means something to you, sacrifices are painful to the one executing the deed- it works as a pledge to show your devotion to a thing or a way to show absolute loyalty, you'll destroy this thing that means something to you in order to show that you care even more about who you're sacrificing for. Captured soldiers, random People,- there's no attachment, no real loss that they'll feel. Most of what was 'sacrificed' by the Aztecs and all those old civilizations did not care about those they used- it was mostly just VERY-old-school Politics. Real sacrifice does mean something, it's a sort of proof- 'you, who ask me to do this means more to me than that which I did this to'. I started ranting a bit- that's why sacrifice is common in our past, and it does make sense. To sum it up, a sacrifice must be a loss to the sacrificer, otherwise it's meaningless. To be clear, it disgusts me, but I understand it.
Or its a matter of perspective. For the Aztec it was a ritualized execution, for the defeated vassal cities it was a sacrifice, for the Christian Spaniards it was "Le evil human sacrifice"
Tell me how killing someone for pleasing the Gods is not a sacrifice. Even when in the Ilíada when they kill a deer to please the gods they call it sacrifice.
I wanna smash the like button 3 million times. Great humor. Great storytelling. Great analysis. Absolutely outstanding work, congrats. Can’t wait for the next part.
An hour and nearly another half to boot? Why yes, my body IS ready. 11:08 hit me like a freight train. To imagine how confused future historians will be, looking back at our politically charged era, trying to find the truth.
It's still a thing! The whole, "The Roman empire fell because it was decadent!" thing is the Roman equivalent of "WOKE COMMUNISTS are destroying america!" There was this whole Roman insecurity about it. History is politics+time (the cool parts, anyway).
The red comet in the background of this video has me feeling like cobbler birthed dragons from stone while at the same time doing the best scizo rant on the conquistadors I’ve ever seen
Though there’s only one third left as cobbler put it, a third part may be in play when comparing the crown of Spain’s Central American Mexican claims in comparison to their florida and even California’s policies in governing. The adventures of Ponce De Leon to Cortes to Cabrillo evolution wise is a fascinating subject that should be covered in this format
So wild that Granada was conquered the same year they sent Columbus. I have a shirt from Granada that says “since 1492” and every time I see the year it makes me go “wait…”
I love history. Mostly because it speaks so much to human behavior and reveals the ends of those actions. Once again, thank you this was great. Also one author I've highly enjoyed reading is G.A. Henty. He is a history enthusiast of the mid 1800's with a blatant and unabashed bias towards british imperialism. The most interesting read was his perspective on the American war of independence. As a midwestern American kid, it was a fascinating opposite perspective.
@@henrypaleveda7760 Winning His Spurs is my personal favorite. True to The Old Flag (American Revolution), Cat of Bubastes (middle empire egypt), With Clive in India (the beginning of the conquest of India), With Buller In Natal (South African war during his lifetime)
I think the point about sacrifice vs ritualized execution is in the way it’s unevenly applied in order to reinforce narratives about who is civilized and who is not. I’m fine using the term sacrifice as long as we expand its usage to include acts like witch burning which were also ritualistic killings for religious purposes that were often seen as attempts to please their god.
If these recent videos means a greater deep dive on the Aztecs and Spanish Conquest of the New World I'm excited AF for this. There's soon many topics to go deeper into stuff, like how a lot of religious figures found in Latin American catholism that are former Indigenous gods, the whole race classification thing the Spaniards pushed really fucking hard, even against Spaniards born in the New World and not in Spain, the idea of Mestizaje and its influence on Latino culture, and the idea of a cosmic race that some academics in Mexico pushed really hard to argue that individuals who were of Spanish and Indigenous descent were the key to elevate human civilization and address social darwinism. Or the Porfiliato, or the Mexican Revolution, The Brazilian Empire. There's soon many topics I haven't even mentioned but God damn Latin Americn history during the Conquest of the New World and the Era of Latin American revolutions.
Definitely you best work yet. I can’t tell you how insightful and impactful this is. It’s a subject that everyone is familiar with but this level of research and storytelling is unparalleled. Not to mention just the production quality and creativity of it all. Truly incredible peach boy
Hey, i'm the guy Cobbler mentions at 6:58: I wanted to say thank you to Cobbler for taking the time to look at some of the sources I suggested, and i'm also going to give some additional insight on some of what the video brings up and some corrections, as the scheduling for the video production and my availability didn't quite line up for me to give input to catch stuff while the script was being made. I'll start with some notes about images and terminology, then will get into the political dynamics and other juicy stuff.
Not all the images used in the video are particularly authentic: This is a hard problem to work around because the VAST majority of artwork depicting Mesoamerica and the conquest aren't visually representative. To speak generally, Mesoamerican cities had buildings covered in smooth stucco and richly painted murals, carved reliefs, etc as well as infrastructure like roads, aqueducts, and the like, and then suburbs radiating out around that. People wore rich colored and patterned cloaks, blouses, and jewelry of gold, jade, turquoise, etc: The stereotype of cities being a few buildings with grey blocks surrounded by jungle or people in primitive looking cobbled together rags, feathers and bones isn't right. On that same token, "tribe", "chief" etc aren't really applicable terms: Like how they had actual cities, these were actual city-states, empires, republics, etc with kings, diplomats, senators, multi-tiered judicial systems and appellate courts, etc.
In practice, this means the art of Tlatelolco at 19:46 and Chalco at 49:30 (Scott and Stuart Gentling), of Tenochtitlan at 1:06:16, the Battle of Otumba at 51:0 (Peter Dennis), the plaza at 59:43, the final 3d animation at the end, and most of the small animated character cutouts (Daniel Parada aka Kamazotz or Zotzcomic, tho his art for the Mexica of the Aztec capital of Tenochtitlan are used even for Maya, Tlaxalteca etc people here ince I never sent Cobbler the other sheets. Cobbler also did some additional erronous tweaks like showing kings with quetzal headdresses (it's not actually a "crown"!), or how "Fat king" Xicomecoatl of Cempoala or the Tlaxcalteca at some points look) are all accurate, BUT the backgrounds (the people are mostly by zotz and are mostly good again), at 13:21, 17:10, 25:34, 25:39 32:06, 32:17 55:16 57:43 1:00:31 etc aren't authentic, nor is the art at 12:19 36:34, 40:08 50:05 1:00:23 1:13:11 etc in general.
Similarly, the maps shown at 18:32 and 25:16 and so on have an issue: While the Aztec Empire's borders are fine, ONLY Aztec territory is shown, even though there were other states in Mesoamerica: Cobbler brings up Tlaxcala, Cholula, and Huextozinco (all Nahua, so the same culture as most core Aztec states, but not politically a part of the Aztec Empire), but other enclaves included the Otomi kingdom of Metztitlan, the Tlapenec kingdom of Yopitzinco, and the Mixtec kingdom of Tututpec (which was a remnant of a of an empire founded by 8-Deer-Jaguar-Claw centuries prior, who was an absolute gigachad with a crazy life story,: literal "massacres his entire enemy dynasty only to die when the one boy he left alive grows up and takes revenge" stuff) To the west of the Aztec was the Purepecha Empire: They made a lot of bronze and crushed attempted Aztec invasions, after which the two empires militarized and fortified their border. Even further west you had various states around Colima and Jalisco, and of course the Yucatan Peninsula to the east of the Aztec empire had various Maya states. Ironically, the map at 14:21 actually DOES show those state divisions for Central and Western Mexico... but not the Maya region, which is mostly what's in view!
And now, the juicy political stuff:
In the video, Xicotencatl I is described as a king, but Tlaxcallan was a republic: While quite a few Nahua city-states had some oligarchical or representational governmental aspects (Even Tenochtitlan had councils who could nominally elect or depose kings), but Tlaxcala especially emphasized those elements and was mostly ruled by a senate open to both commoners and nobles (One had to undergo public beatings and insults to prove one's commitment, and then years of legal and ethical training). So Xicotencatl I (and his son) were, IIRC, high ranking senators, though there are some accounts which assert that Tlaxcallan was made up of 4 sub cities and Xicotencatl I may have been king of one of these, but many researchers think the entire idea of those subcities is revisionism. (So too may be the "Triple alliance" for the Aztecs: Texcoco/Teztzcoco and Tlacopan were undoubtedly important political centers in the Aztec empire that aided Tenochtitlan in the empire's founding war to topple Azcapotzalco; but some believe the idea of Texcoco being on equal terms with Tenochtitlan originally was revisionism by Alva Ixtlixochtli, who pops up at 1:07:45, during the early colonial period). And even if he was a king, the senate was still the more important ruling body.
All this talk of subcities, these kingdoms and empires under joint leadership etc should show that political dynamics and state structure could be quite complex and fluid in Mesoamerica: You constantly had different political factions within empires and alliances vying for power and influence and often dynamically and opportunistically switching sides or launching coups to get ahead: This was enabled because most Mesoamerican kingdoms and empires didn't usually directly govern their subjects or culturally assimilate them, or even necessarily replace rulers: The Aztec Empire and many other Mesoamerican empires were more networks of relationships between more or less powerful states which still had their own ambitions and ability to act independently, then actual unified imperial polities.
This obviously ties into what Cobbler brings up about the Cholula massacre, and it potentially being a Tlaxcalteca instigated incident: I don't have a personal take on what was the most likely "true" version of what happened, but I do think the idea of it being a Tlaxcalteca plot is a good illustration of those political dyanmics and how a lot of "The Conquest" was really Mesoamerican states using Conquistadors to their own opportunistic benefit. In fact, what Cobbler DOESN'T mention is that after the massacre, they actually propped up a Tlaxcalteca aligned regime in the city: If you subscribe to it being a Tlaxcalteca plot, then it's not just a vengeful act, but actually putting Cholula back within Tlaxcala's sphere of influence.
The next video will hopefully go into this much more, but the Tlaxcalteca (potentially) manipulating conquistadors into installing a Tlaxalteca puppet regime in Cholula is FAR from the only example of this sort of thing: Cobbler mentions that Xicomecoatl complained about Aztec rule over Cempoala and was convinced by Cortes to tax Aztec tax collectors, but what wasn't said is that the Totonacs of Cempoala got Cortes to help them raid an "Aztec fort" nearby, which was really the city of Tzinpantzinco, which alongside Cempoala was the head of one of 3 major Totonac kingdoms and was Cempoala's main local rival state. There's even accounts which suggest that The Totonacs led Cortes into Tlaxcalteca territory to get them attacked, either to get rid of the Conquisradors, or perhaps even under the orders of Aztec emissaries who were using the Totonacs to test the Conquistadors while the Totonacs were also using them at the same time: So Cortes, the Totonacs, Aztec, etc are all uneasily claiming to be on good terms but are at the same time also using the other two to undermine each other!
This sort of complex factionalism isn't limited to the Mesoamerican states: As Cobbler mentions, Cortes and Velázquez were not on good terms and were also both using one another to try to benefit from/claim success from the expedition, and while Cobbler asserts that Cortes was not so much the singular invader to do the conquest and more a cog in the Spanish colional machine, we actually even see later that Velázquez sends OTHER Conquistador groups that even ally with the Mexica of the Aztec capital in the process (though if those alliances would have lasted had they succeeded in capturing Cortes is obviously questionable)
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I could go on for another 12 paragraphs about all these political dyanamics, but I'll cut it there and leave the rest for the next video! To wrap up my comment, here's some miscellaneous stuff:
- Regarding Malinche, calling her "Aztec" may be misleading: There's competing info for where she was born, and only SOME of those places were within the Aztec Empire. And just because a city was is in the Aztec Empire, doesn't mean one was "culturally' Aztec: Again, the Aztec Empire was hands off and usually left existing rulers, laws, and customs in place when it conquered a city, so these states still had their own cultures and even their own political identities. Many were Maya, Mixtec, Zapotec, Otomi, Tototnac or Huastec etc, rather then Nahua (check out my comment on Cobbler's "What did the Romans think of the Greeks?" video for how the Mexica viewed those other cultures!), and there were even divisions between different Nahua groups: The Mexica vs the Tlaxcalteca (who again, weren't even part of the empire) vs the Acolhua vs the Tepaneca etc were all Nahuas, but saw themselves as distinct ethnic groups, to a degree. You can even subdivide further: The Tenochca vs Tlatelolca for the Mexica, for example. We're also not sure if Malinche's name was originally Malinalli, that's simply one proposal, and the word isn't for a "god of grass", but rather the calendrical sign "grass". (These signs were both the names of days/years, and also astrological signs). A lot of Mesoamerican cultures had calander signs as part of their names, though it was unusual in Nahuatl.
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- Regarding Macuahuitl, it should be noted that they came in a variety of sizes, shapes, as well as arrangements of blades, beyond just how they are shown and described here: Some were one rather then two, handed, some had a curved or boomerang shaped club, some were more like "glaives" affixed to long shafts, some (I suspect most since this would make them more effective at slashing, with the gaps depicted in codices being artistic stylization) had no spaces between their blades, others had triangular sawtooth edges, etc. Also, they were FAR from the only weapon used by the Mesoamericans: For polearms, you had traditional spears, Tepoztopilli which acted like halbreds, spears with weird serrated heads, long 12+ pikes, and the aformentioned "glaives". Some Gulf Coast ceramics seem to even show "pole axes" with different implements on different parts of the shafthead! For more actual clubs rather then sword-clubs, you had simple clubs, clubs with large stone spikes (sometimes many!) almost like war picks, bats or batons with stone flanges or studs, and maces with ball, ring, or flanged heads. There were also axes, and more esoteric melee weapons. For projectile weapons, the atlatl was the main one and a symbol of royal power and civilized warfare. Slings and Bows were also used, but in Central Mexico bows were seen as less refined and more as hunting tools due to associations with the nomadic chichimeca of Northern Mexico (The Tlaxcalteca may have used bows more then other Central Mexican Nahua states, since they embraced the fact the Nahuas had thei origins in Chichimeca who migirated down and adopted Mesoamerican civilization more then other Nahua groups: The main patron god in Tlaxcallan was the Chichimeca aspect of the hunting diety Mixcoatl, for example)
Again, like how Mesoamerican cities and clothing were refined and developed, so too were their weapons: They may have been wood and stone (though some were bronze or copper), but they were still finely made, had different types and functions for used in organized warfare, and many were finely engraved or had inlays of metal or precious stones. Mesoamerican armor was similarly varied and well made: Soldiers wore padded gambeson tunics and vests, more elaborate warsuits and tunics over the gambeson ones, these being covered in mosaics of tens of thosuands feathers with the different resulting patterns indicating rank and unit divisions. Those feather mosaic patterns also covered the exterior of shields (which too had a variety of shapes and materials, some circular, square, some being capable of folding, etc, though the normal circular shield usually had a backing of wood or multiple layers of bound bamboo slats... Yes, Mexico has native bamboos!), and some helmets (also often wood or bamboo frames). There were also more obscure armor types, like "barrel" shaped breastplates and copper/gold/silver mail jackets (though this was primarily ceremonial). Commanders/officers also had elaborate back mounted banners, sort of like the flags Samurai had.
- Regarding 14:53, Bernal Diaz wasn't the only Spainard claiming the Mesoamericans descended from jews: Diego Duran also claims this in The History of the Indies of New Spain", which was a history of the Mexica and Tenochtitlan he produced by consulting Mexica nobles and scribes. IIRC there's some actual theological-political justification behind tying the Mesoamericans to the jews but I forget the specifics. That claim aside, Duran's History as a whole is actually the cheapest and most accessible book you can get if you want to read about Aztec kings, wars, and other major events of their political history sort of in their own words, down to the specific speeches kings gave, the battles on campaigns, etc.... though, obviously, it's not totally free of Spanish influence (or Romanticism/revionism by the Mexica informants) and Duran is just sort of talking out of his butt with the jew thing. Even today, sadly, some people, often Mormon sources, insist the Mesoamericans are a lost tribe of Israel.
Also, some stuff that I goofed up with in the first comment that I can't edit now since it's pinned:
- "and was convinced by Cortes to tax Aztec tax collectors" was meant to be "and was convinced by Cortes to jail Aztec tax collectors"
- "we actually even see later that Velázquez sends OTHER Conquistador groups...." was supposed to say "in order to arrest Cortes for treason" before mentioning how those groups allied with the Mexica to do so
- "A lot of Mesoamerican cultures had calander signs as part of their names", that is to say, as part of names for people in that culture, not the name of the culture itself
- "One had to undergo public beatings and insults to prove one's commitment, and then years of legal and ethical training" is in reference to the requirements to become a Tlaxcalteca senator. Also, if people want to learn more about Tlaxcala/Tlaxcallan, I highly suggest Stefan Milo's video on it!
- "So Cortes, the Totonacs, Aztec, etc are all uneasily claiming to be on good terms but are at the same time also using the other two to undermine each other!"... As in, going by those interpretations of events: The Mexica would be feigning disinterested civility while trying to get the Conquistadors, Totonacs, and Tlaxcalteca all to fight one another to determine the Conquisrador's military ability; Cortes was telling both the Totonac and Mexica he's really on their side and is just playing the other party; and the Totonac would be pretending to be Cortes's allies while actually spying on them for the Mexica and potentially pitting them against the Tlaxcalteca, while they've already used them to also get rid of local Aztec tax officials and their local rival city-state of Tzinpantzinco.
Fantastic analysis my man. I never was interested in history other than the world wars. But Cobblers videos and your comments have entirely changed my perspective. Well done
Never seen someone who ran out of space when writing a UA-cam Comment
Juicy read though
there's a word limit on comments?
You are my God now MajoraZ
"The system needed Monsters to work. So they paid men, handsomely, to be monsters." Is one of the most fire lines to ever come out of this channel. Thank you for that.
"You can be a monster, it pays handsomely" also Cobbler.
timestamp plz?
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Best part is that he is basically quoting Marx's Das Kaptial. Not sure if he realises it.
DJ peach cobbler is not a polished industry tested creative. He is a raw and undefinable being of barely restrained homo-erotic rage. A true military man.
I love this comment 😂
He was in the air force, his barely restrained homo-erotic rage can only be barely restrained for so long.
Ya'll think he was "Pilot" or the "Co-Pilot"? 😏
@@SebastianDingleswitchpower co-pilot 😏
as the romans intended
"Nothing gets a historian harder than calling someone a fraud."
Historian here. Absolutely 100% true.
“Historian here” is something a fraud would say
@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 ok
i feel like you missed the joke there@@gharib6458
@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 two historians here calling each other frauds! reminds me of ouroboros
....and?? We're waiting...
"Imagine that. Studying women. They be shoppin'. Ain't nothing else to say on the matter."
as Mexican.
nothing like having a guy with pie for a head completely shatter my education the goverment has given me for 20 years of my life about the Mexica conquest. Also your videos are great keep it up.
how does it differ from the education you got may i ask?
@@julianfigini5177A lot. By Mexican government Spaniards came and somehow conquered the Aztec empire and slave the natives. In resume spaniards we’re bad an greedy, and natives were innocent and the victims. And also I remember that in the school the books said that the Aztecs believed that Cortez was Quetzalcoatl (a main good in the region) and because of that they let him enter tenochtitlan and avoid kill him.
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May I ask which state are you?
In my school although they teached the Aztecs believing Cortes to be a god, but they also talked of how horrible the Aztecs were
(Speaking english so anglos can follow the conversation)
@@Leo-ok3ujthanks mate
@@Leo-ok3ujya in my socal history book they still focus on sacrifice so a lot of demonizing..although they said “the Spanish could have exaggerated” but they didn’t teach us about all the advancements of the empire
As the stray cat he killed, I can confirm that this video probably doesn't have anything to do with that missing family.
As the entirety of that missing family I can confirm the current circumstance has nothing to do with this video or the stray cat he killed
As the current circumstance I can confirm that the missing family has nothing to do with the video
As the video, I can confirm there are at least three cats and seven bugmen buried beneath DJ Cobbler's porch.
It’s been years since he killed those stray cats? It’s crazy to see he is still platformed
i got a cat food pre roll ad
As a guy who does have a history degree, I have to say... This is some really solid history. It is very easy for amateurs to focus in too much on the individual and lose that every person on Earth is shaped by the society and culture in which they reside, and therefore by the history which brought about their societies and cultures.
Wrong. I expect people from 500+ years ago to have the exact same morals as me.
At the moment you use fossil fuels that civilians have been killed over, in 500 years do you think people will look back at you as being moralistic? No of course not, 500 years ago these people believed in human sacrifice, today most people fill up their tanks without a second thought, point is morals ARE subjective to the times and the culture you live in, so it's you that is wrong@@LucidFL
Of course at the same time we can't just be consequentialists about it.
@@AquaStockYT Thank you for telling me what I’m not allowed to believe in.
Which is pretty interesting when you shed that kind of light in other historical events... like oh... the French Revolution.
-Drops that and leaves. Refusing to elaborate-
My favorite part about your videos is that they are somehow completely disjointed and schizophrenic, yet simultaneously also totally cohesive and digestible. It’s a very unique sort of content.
These videos may not be entirely logically coherent but they are emotionally coherent. This video makes you feel like a dedicated scholar who knows the real truth through devoted study but finds the faculties he needs to express himself have atrophied.
It's a good way to approach storytelling, but it's not necessarily unique. Nonlinear storytelling is common in movies, and if you've ever read or done college or higher level essays it's very common to start with an idea that is seemingly irrelevant but ties into the greater narrative. I'll admit it's not very common on something like UA-cam where usually not much skill is involved in writing scripts.
@@20somethingcimenaso it is unique
a truly deleuzian approach
This will be a DJ Peach Cobbler classic, I just know it. The presentation. The aesthetic. The comedy. It's all here, in this 1.3 hour video, and it's damned solid.
Thank you, seriously. I paused my Sunlight Medal grind in DS3 to actually pay attention. I do not regret it.
That shit takes so long bro😭😭
"Minecraft night is over."
-Hernan Cortes, Oct 18, 1519
The worst thing I've learned from this video is that if any great man of history was alive today they'd be car salesmen making marvel references
www.theonion.com/this-here-is-probably-our-bestselling-love-seat-says-1819580016
@@DJPeachCobbler What a great article, truly the [insert popular media] of [insert subject matter here]
@@DJPeachCobbler I have a question for you do you play assassin's Creed because if you do you can talk about series regression overtime. You know next time you do video game review please 👍👍👍.
@@DJPeachCobblerbest i can say is Napoleon started on a backwater island.
@@codysingh5939He said on stream he is about done with Video games.
AN HOUR AND 21 MINUTES?????
Dear GOD Cobbler you spoil us
I shall spend several weeks now rewatching all your history videos
I thought I was the only one who did that
@@85isaboat53 nah we all do that
@@galacticsnowman3949every last one of us.
Good lord I can use this to go to sleep
Incredible
Holy fuck, I know he's basically just spitting back out words that other guys in the past have said but Cobbler cuts DEEP. He really just said, "look at the worst person in history you can think of. Now look back at yourself. You're both just human. Ask yourself why they did what they did, and why you do what you do."
I actually got chills when he got around to why everything happened and it was all still just for greed.
ok that quote is genuinely the best quote i have ever heard when it comes to history. holy fuck.
I've never killed a person.
We are not animals, every Human being is its own tapestry. Although you may be able to relate with all people at a basic level, the complexities of one's neurology cannot be understated. You can't walk in the shoes of a psychopath unless you are one.
@@bustavonnutz you're sort of missing the point there, it isn't that, "oh you could be a psychopath and super evil," it's that plenty of bad people were just "normal" people who felt like their actions were good or justified. It's a call to reflect on yourself and the things that motivate people, to ask if there's anything that you use to justify questionable actions that are just normal to you. To look at someone today who you think is evil and try to understand why they don't think they are or why they believe they are justified.
Supply chain managers buy materials they know were harvested with child or forced labour, are they just all psychopaths, physically unable to connect with fellow humans? No, they can't all be, they justify it by saying "it's the most profitable," or, "we're supporting industry in developing countries." The conquistadors slaughtered thousands, they justified it in their own ways, "God supports us, we're protecting the righteous from sinners, my future has no prosperity if this doesn't succeed," etc. Just try to understand yourself and others better rather than writing people off as "just evil" or "just psychopaths."
@@XSniper74184 What is "normal"? How much is our baseline biological humanity is influenced by cultural or societal upbringing? I'm not sure if it's really possible to walk in the shoes of our ancestors without a full appreciation of the context they lived with every day of their lives. I'm not sure we can truly judge them or apply a modern moral framework to those who come from ages lost to time. Of course there are objective evils that these conquistadors perpetrated, but their justifications are also clearly stated. If you know that the thousands of people that you slaughter were made rich from the slaughter & subjugation of others, is it a leap to justify your actions towards them? I think this is the biggest difficulty with subjective historical analysis. All we can do is look at what's been handed down, but what conclusions we draw from it are up to us fam.
I'm german and the whole "my delicate gay german wrists can't possibly build this railroad" skit had me in tears.
Cuck
most people in the Americas are of german origin.
I’m Jewish (ashkenazi family made it through) and same.
Feels a little odd that we can both laugh about it, but… good at the same time in a weird way.
All it takes is someone funny enough like DJ Peach Cobbler 😂
@@ravleow9748True :)
I can only imagine this phrase being said in a very gay German accent...
😂
1:14:05
“I am not concerned with the matter of Cortes’s mortal soul, I am concerned with the conditions that make having a soul, a liability”
DJ Peach Cobbler is one of, if not the best UA-camrs who makes history content, for sure
At least since that one Brazilian with an affinity for all things Roman stopped.
@@CG-yq2xywonder what happenedd to him, maybe he just ran out of ideas he liked enough to actually do.
@@CG-yq2xyif I may, of whom may you be referring
@@necromater6656 I hope he makes a video soon, it’s been actual years since he went missing, now
@@j.t.1280I myself am also curious
Thank you father cobbler, for you have blessed us with an exorbitant amount of content today
At 1 am
@@andrazprelec8263 he works in mysterious ways.
This is, not hyperbolic, my favorite history video ever made on this website. Fantastic job Cobbler
As a Mexican I can 100% confirm the dragon ball Z part
Same
same
"im not a historian, i read books, tell you about it, apply as much critical thinking as a youtuber can" that makes you a historian cobbler.
I’m a dessert, actually
@@DJPeachCobblerThis is what (((((Big Sweets))))) wants you to think!!!!!
@@DJPeachCobblerThat makes you a cobbler, historian
@@CloseingStraw97he mends shoes too?!?!
@@corgisandcomeuppance2250 yes. Send him your shoes and pictures of your feet, for proper measurements of course, and he'll fix em right up.
I have a masters in classics focused on Roman history. The best and also most frustrating part about studying any time period is the opportunity for the narrative to be complicated and unclear. That's usually when the most interesting details about events and how we have retold them get revealed.
Really solid work Cobbler. Great video.
Well, the nature of memory is that it's essentially mostly fabricated anyways, to fit some current need or social context, and the very perception of the past event is shaped by social contexts themselves. There can be no unbiased, objective rendition of things. Combine that with "the past in the past", and just like with archaeology and history, people of the past used inference and social needs to fabricate explanations for what they perceived, and then pieced it together into narratives to make it cohesive and meaningful
@@andrewbowen2837 That's usually the key, understanding what biases your sources has and negotiating with them. I find it interesting a lot of people seek to "unbias" a source, when often the fact that the sources is is the fun part. Like Suetonius talking about the Roman emperors. He makes the whole thing out to be a family soap opera with impossible details that he very clearly just made up for the drama.
@@Elagabalus711 you're right. The biases themselves reveal a lot about what is valued by people back then
You ever read “history of the Roman Empire” by Edward Gibbons? That’s a book everyone who studies Rome needs to read. First volume published in the greatest year of all time 1776. It doesn’t have any of the interpretations of various emperors we’ve gained over the year. So you get a much more accurate view of things. In my opinion.
@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 I am familiar with Gibbons. It is worth noting that his work is considered enormously outdated by contemporary academic standards.
dj cobb keeping me sane (he is actively amplifying my schizophrenia)
Stay woke
Stay noided!
dj peach cobbler is by far my favorite youtuber
not because he can make videos that could hold my attention till the heat death of the universe or that his channel is, much like my life, a seamless blend of gaming, history, and schizophrenia, but because when he makes other characters he simply replaces the face with another circular dessert
As an autistic man, freshly enticed into the army, your ongoing and genuine bouts of madness are what prop up my own sanity and eventual foray into the UA-cam.
Finally. An hour of my meager existence that can be filled with some kind of grotesque fascination, and humor that has been absent from my life
Ok HP love craft chill
Relatable
My merger existence with-out humour, DJ Cobbler is my last resort!
Marina seems like she be getting a lot of hate for 'betraying' a people who sold her into slavery and pretended that she was dead.
I mean... I'm not saying that Cortez treated her particularly well either. But I'm not sure that she owed anyone a debt of loyalty.
Maybe if you want someone to be loyal to your group... And I know this is a wild idea... Don't sell them into slavery and pretend that they're dead.
Did anyone even invite her to the Minecraft tournament?
They made her use the madkatz controller
Fr even if she WAS a traitor, I wouldn’t blame her
"How have the gears of civilization ground you" is such a hard ass line. Thank you Lord DJesus P. Chobbler for the content I will inevitably rewatch an unhealthy number of times.
same
As a Romeaboo with a love for Aztec history and untangling competing historical narratives, I am very vindicated that this is your greatest video yet and overjoyed that you share my particular fascinations so I can consume this high quality content.
Dude, that endind was extremely insightful. Focusing on the systems that make people is really a more level headed and actually more compassionate way to look at history
The last 30 or-so minutes of this video are some of the most importent I have witnessed. I feel like D.J. PeachCobbler is one of those channels you can't really recomend, but I do wish I could show at least those 30 minutes to everyone I know. This is what I wish they tought in schools.
Contex. Neuance. Introspection.
I was thinking the same thing.
If they did the bug "people" would go the way of the romanovs by the end of the same year.
Gonna list out all the sources when I'm done with part two.
I should have emphasized Cortes’ thing with classical antiquity and ancient conquerors more than The Tale of Amadis, but yknow
For now, 'When Montezuma Met Cortes' by Mathew Restall and 'The True History of The Conquest of New Spain' by Bernal Diaz are both great books I highly recommend, even if the latter has many accuracy problems.
when mountain climbing carry a crate full of raspberry preserves, a crate of raspberry preserves can get you anywhere in life.
whats the background music starting @ 13:57 pls?
Mr. Cobbler, do you by any chance have a poster of Diogenes hanging up on your wall?
Can't wait for Part 2, this first part was positively fantastic 🎉
im so happy to see that the conquistador used diferent timelines just like in wolfenstein
My God DJPC, unbelievable. I'm not gonna make a hee-hee le funny joke here, this is a masterpiece. In an age when "content creators" are moving toward cheap, easy, disposable content, this is truly a work of art. Thank you and keep up the phenomenal work.
We are indeed not in that age, so many amazing channels makes really diamond contents but simply not everyone enjoys them, so many of those great content creators have fixated viewers. Indeed he is good content creator but we are simply not in that age...yet
@@craig3077pray to God for guidance against those times
UA-cam is the only good thing to come for art in this cursed century...
Colleges sure seem to avoid "a" in the "steam" movement
Now after the series has ended... I am scared that he will refrain from making history vids, because algorithms aren't taking a good liking to them
The Toltecs: “Cortez has freed us from the Aztecs!”
Cortez: “Oh, I wouldn’t say freed. More like ‘under new management’.”
I mean, the toltecs were super-dead by that point, pretty much like what the romans were for the spansih, but you get the gist.
There were really no Toltecs anymore at that point, but Huastecos and Otomíes, and both were in relative peace with the Spanish
"I need you to look up and see what's coming out of the other side of the wood chipper".
Jesus God damn Christ. That is the greatest line I've ever heard in my entire life. Nothing goes harder than that.
What a treat, over an hour of chalk eating madness. Bless you, lord cobbler.
I miss when we got to see him eat the chalk and slowly lose his mind over the run time 🤣
Goddamn Cobbler
Easily one of your best things yet. This one has been especially delightful and nuanced in its approach. That whole denouement at the end was incredibly insightful and points out the thing I feel like most people forget. That we are all products of society and what that society values. (Also, as usual, your comedic timing still fuckin kills)
I am so fucking glad that you’re still making these videos, cannot wait for more ❤️❤️❤️
Truly, we live in a history. 🤡
Mexican here, sorry if my english is bad but i wanted to praise the effort you put in your video and also give my point of view about some of the perspectives i see some people in my country have about our history, the history of México it has always have been a sore subject to touch both in academic and family spaces, from my point of view i came with some perspectives about our history as mexican's, in my family most of them don't question what have they been tought because they see no reason to question, it dosen't change the fact of what happen, and in some aspects is true, but as you said in the video, there is context for some of the decisions of the people in that era, and some of those decision don't come from some evil place but from a context given by the culture and sistem's in which they were born, sistems which don't care about individuals. And in academic places its even more difficult to discuss this subject whitout enter in political opinions, because the point of view about this time its gonna come, most probably, from a political point of view and thats because the history taught of México comes from political views. I'm studying philosophy in my hometown and we study about our history and the born of our nationality, in the career we come to question the version we have been given because the version we heard comes from politicians trying to create a sense of patriotism, so they try to enlight the figure of the náhuatl and vilanize the figure of the spains, but also trying to maintain religious values, so they can push their politics and schools of thought, and studying the history of my country it have always given me this uncanny feeling of how little people try to really know about the history of their country because they think it doesn't concern them or affect them.
Sorry if end up in a ramble, it just that your video is so well made that it makes me think about all this subjects i'm studying, thanks for showing interest in the history of Mesoamerica and give the effort to check all your sources even if you end up in a rabbit hole.
(Again sorry for my english)
Una pena que AMLO se la pase diciendo que la corrupción llegó a México por culpa de Cortés y demás sinsentidos de esa clase. La historia no puede ser maniquea para dividirla entre buenos y malos (salvo contadísimas excepciones), y mucho menos la historia de hace tantos siglos.
La conquista es un hecho histórico harto complejo e interesante que cambió la historia de millones de personas. Pero, hoy por hoy, sólo podemos tener las certezas que hemos heredado: que México habla español, que es mayoritariamente cristiana y que hay gentes de diverso mestizaje y origen.
Except for some typo's here and there that was some solid understanding of the english lexicon my guy
I dont know much about mexican history and thus cant comment on the nuances, but "shit happens" is usually a decent way to feel about any historical happening.
Brother your english is better than some of my 40 year old coworkers born and raised here in the US 😂
@@KnightOfTheSadFigure a ver, que tratar a los conquistadores como "salvajes" sin atender al contexto histórico y cultural... Eso sí es una salvajada. Es lo mismo que si nos echáramos las manos a la cabeza porque los romanos esclavizaran a los pueblos vencidos: una parida
Como peruano se lo que te refieres, sin embargo irónicamente la mayoría de nosotros somos en mayor o menor grado también españoles, de sangre o de cultura, al final del día nuestra carne y mente no solo es aquella que fue oprimida y aniquilada, sino aquella que tronchó a los habitantes originales de nuestras tierras incluso antes de la llegada de los europeos.
Aceptar esa realidad, que somos el producto de circunstancias y narrativas y tener la fortaleza mental de entender que estas no son destinos inevitables es quizás el mayor logro intelectual que podemos lograr.
"Ahhh, Hernan Cortes. The great diplomat, they'll call me." I think this would be funny to everyone from the year 1600 to the year 2400
To be fair, he styles himself as a big-brained diplomat in his letters, in between explaining why he's so awesome and played all the indians and fought forty-thousand maya and curbstomped them, in between excusing why he went against Diego Velasquez and how to keep himself within the spanish law, since he studied law before his whole conquistador schtick. it's very intersting, and I recommnd it, even if I am having trouble reading it in it's original spanish language, and it's highly different from modern mexican spanish.
Something about the way this history was told, it made the strory of Cortez' conquest so much more real. Even when i was younger, the way the history was told "aka they thought he was a god" seemed mythical/tall tale like. This, is such a hearbreaking story of a fall of a great civilization but it feels so human and realistic. I've felt a such a strange emotion listening to this.
Great civilization that ritually sacrificed up to 20,000 people anually. Awesome!
@@fiddlesticks7245Compared to Christianity which ritually sacrificed millions yearly.
@@coryfice1881 What are you yapping about?
@@fiddlesticks7245That Christianity engaged in far more bloody ritual sacrifices yearly. 30 years of killing people in the name of god in Germany not ring a bell?
@@fiddlesticks7245 That Christianity engaged in ritual sacrifices to the tune of millions per year. What are you yapping about?
9:51 I thought the vid wasnt gonna be worth my time until he delivered that absolute gold of a line. “They be shoppin”
I'd definitely like to see you discuss the sordid history of Belgium's involvement in colonialism. They were honestly vying to be a European Superpower but failed so nobody talks about it. That being said, every single iteration of their Congo colony was a travesty in and of itself which would make the mustache men of the 20th century blush. Then there's the Rwanda situation. Ohhhh Rwanda. Basically all of their attempts at empire building failed painfully and disastrously.
an Irish revolutionary (Roger Casement) was one of the guys who broke that story to the world and later went on to disavow imperialism and fund the 1916 rising
The crimes of Belgium in the Congo are not talked about NEARLY enough.
If his story started with the war that split Belgium from the Netherlands, I would like to see it. I think their long march to colonial butchery in Africa started there, but who can say for sure.
Frankly the Austrians crimes are overhyoed in general,dont get me worng he was bad. Just well less so then Mao,Ghengis Khan,Pol Pot and more im to lazy to look up right now. The focus on old Adolf as the ultimate evil has always seemed weird to me..
@@LanMandragon1720there are people alive who were victims of the Austrian's regime. It still affects a ton of people (and politics in general) to this day.
Not a lot of people who are living victims of Genghis Khan anymore.
Pol Pot and Mao are pretty much universally despised outside of China for Mao.
por un breve momento, veo que dj peach cobbler subio un video y ese momento es prueba que la vida puede ser buena.
se siente como cuando en la tele van a pasar un episodio de bolas de dragon z q ya viste un chingo d veces pero del que nunca t vas a cansar
Damn, ol peachy boy got an international audience. I'm so proud. We all Cobbler gobblers.
Tocará verlo, espero que no sea leyenda negrista.
@@novkorova2774que no sea que?? No se que es eso pero suena medio sospechoso
Por un momento pensé que estaba teniendo alucinaciones cuando vi un comentario en español. Pero no, es real :D
15:39 Diaz’s account of the tribes being descended from the tribes of Israel was a somewhat common belief among Europeans at one point. It’s the whole backstory for the Mormon religion.
This video is essentially a 3 credit class I took recently. Restall was the required reading and everything
This might be the only video I’ve ever intentionally pressed the like button on, and I did it instantly. I love you, cherry cobbler
I always wait to like his videos until the end just because he always ends up deserving it. Yet I'm still impressed each time with the quality and uniqueness of his videos. 🙏
Just what I needed today, thank you Cobbler!
This is an insanely well made video. Every time I see your videos, the bar just gets raised. This video alone has given me a feeling I didn't know I could feel, the thought of the entire system being at fault for the monsters in society is truly something that is mind-opening, even if it sounds obvious. The way it's presented here shows you exactly why, in the context of 1500's Medieval Spanish Conquest.
More long videos like this please. The quality, dedication, and passion you have for this channel, this audience, and the content you produce is incredible.
As someone who experienced the early 2000s era Christian youth ministries events, such as lock ins and game nights, he's completely accurate, and I feel your pain.
I got booted from two different lockins when I was 15 for getting caught"with" a girl good times .😂😂
Dropping a 90 minute video 30 minutes before my shift. Well played pie man.
I think my favorite Cobbler videos are the ones where he says that he had a fully prepared script but had to scrap it all and restart.
I'm so happy you found that Aztec death whistle. "Context matters because you should interrogate your own context." So happy I found this channel when I did.
I feel most people replying to you are memes, but I just want to say thank you for making this content. I think it speaks to certain type of person and I think Peach has had a similar journey to many men growing up in this digital age. I think he retains his edgy humor, but it is sharped to a knife's point here. Love the history, and I love the unabashed takes to deconstruct similar content creators. Also the computer seems inspired by Courage the Cowardly Dog, but maybe that is just me?
I’m not smart enough to know how to properly praise this work. All I can say is that this is possibly one of the best UA-cam series I have ever watched.
This is truly impressive and interesting. It's good to have an opportunity to interrogate the 'history' of the Conquistadors that I learned about in middle and/or high school. The takeaway is, after all, that we live in a society, and we have done for over 500 years now.
In middle school I learned about the good and just and pious Conquistadors. In high school I learned that they actually were monsters ... and DJ P Cobbler has just schooled me on "no! Actually they were fabricated monsters and scapegoats on a payroll"... wild.
@@jullcepts8780Which are still monsters, but now with added context, which context allows us to look at our societies and examine what is incentivized and assigned value through payment and other rewards.
@jullcepts8780 who were brutal in their actions
Only over 500? Millennia upon millenia.
Just when I thought it couldn’t get any better, an hour into a great history video, you go on this long speech putting it all into a modern context and leaving me with food for thought for weeks to come.
You truly are inspirational and inspiring, I cannot thank you enough for your work and for educating us years after school has finished
Joking aside, this channel really is the only one that perfectly balances out the information it provides with humor that helps digest it. I always find myself thinking about something new when I click one of your videos and most of the time with an unexpected gut punch
Dog's do circles before laying down for two main reasons. the first is to take one last 360 look around themselves before resting so as to ensure security, the second is to better carve out a nest in the ground and make themselves more comfortable.
Absolutely incredible. I wrote a comment a long time ago that posited in an internet-safe and modern ironic way that you were a great editor, video maker and above all story teller, who, at the time, was afraid to embrace your talents and hid behind a self-conscious veneer of irony. You hearted that comment seemingly because it was funny, but I believe (and hope) you may have also taken it to heart. Since then you have improved immensely, and I think that is not only owed to your increased production value but your confidence as well.
I do not know where your content will take you, but in my (far too many) hours on UA-cam I believe you are creating something truly unique on this platform. Regardless of how well this channel does and how it's remembered, as you know that isn't always up to you, I have no doubt that if you continue with this level of quality, commitment and creativity you will create something worth celebrating.
This video has moved me to tears. So much i want to express, and yet i have no vocabulary to do it.
That i know nothing about this or any topic i've ever gotten introduced to by this channel both humbles and terrifies me. I can't believe you went so far to make these tales understandable for chuds like me.
I salute your work cobbler, i really like your stories. Keep on being awesome bro.
I got to say I absolutely love the direction your content is going in. The quality keeps improving with every video. I do miss the white board way of explaining things though
Same here, the TV thing kinda makes it hard to see at times, I love the content though, but I miss the chalk eating, marker huffing djpc
Cobbler I recently asked if you were doing okay after you shaved your head on Reddit. Now I see it was just a coping mechanism in response to dropping a 1.15 hour epic on the Aztecs. This is that good schizo history shit I love to see. Keep them coming because these story's need to be told. In your storytelling method is the only palpabl why my dip shit brain can understand it.
Where is the love button when you need it! It's weird I was saying EXACTLY the same thing to my nephew regarding slavery yesterday as the ending of this video states, "whether the perpetrators were evil or not doesn't matter, that was not the cause of this, the cause is the SYSTEM, what does the system reward, what does it incentivise and glorify, schools don't teach children these lessons because if we look at our world today we may wonder how our current system is providing the exact same incentives".
The line: "I don't care about the status of this man's soul, only about the system that made having a soul a liability." Goes so fucking hard and might be one of the best historical takes I've ever heard.
I love how Cobbler has the most fantasmagorical effect on his viewers, giving us the terrifyingly beautiful ability to channel HP lovecrafts diction in the UA-cam commentary section.
I love the shift from gaming videos to history, you seem to have a serious passion for it and I’m here for it
You've honestly become my favourite history channel, despite not even really being a history channel. The focus on philosophy and characters which created the world as we know it is simply something no other content creator that I know of do nearly as well
I’m on my fifth watch through of this whole series. Just can’t get over how good it is. It combines history, politics, human nature and story telling all in one feverish experience 10/10, foreskin letting is a vibe.
Books will change your life in ways impossible to recognize. I think we've reached the same with youtube creators. This is one of the videos I have been thinking about over the last few weeks. So many good lines and interesting ideas that I just keep coming back. Excellent work.
I will be waiting diligently for the next two parts. The thoroughness of this historia is amazing. Gives a lot to think about the different factions and politics at play in the overall world.
Also, Aim High Airman!
Your history videos consistently get me thinking when I watch them, especially the last bits about Cortez being a product of the system he was in and the necessity of context both in understanding the past and present. Very well done funny pie man.
I can’t stop staring at that fucking globe with the rings it’s mesmerizing. I need a new ADHD medication
A new way of thinking has been open for me, from a guy that had never think at all.
Thank you.
God I’ve watched this series like 4 times already and every time it just gets so much better
this is why djpeach cobbler is the realest gamer I know.
mad respect,
~guitar rat
I really love you bringing Smedely Butler back up again and hope you finding a way to do so in every video will become a running thing on this channel. Hes a personal hero of mine and not nearly enough people even know his name, let alone what he came to stand for
This is very good. I have been burned so many times. When you talked about diaz making stuff up and hearing from a university professor, I thought "god dammit, not again".
But you blended what is actual valid revision and historical context with first hand accounts pretty fuckin fairly/accurately.
Including the reconconquista for context is based and nobody does it.
Too bad your isreal video is gone
Love your videos man. The unhinged humour and well sort information is what pulled me in from the get-go. Also, the last part about the bug people reassured me that I didn't make a mistake picking this channel over watching pirated movies. I AM HERE FOR THIS!
I keep on coming back to this video. This is truly some of the best history content you can find on UA-cam, and it wasn't even made by a historian, great analysis, and work, Cobbler
'Ritualized execution' is almost always a better term for what we usually refer to as 'Sacrifice'. A sacrifice means that you are giving up something that means something to you, sacrifices are painful to the one executing the deed- it works as a pledge to show your devotion to a thing or a way to show absolute loyalty, you'll destroy this thing that means something to you in order to show that you care even more about who you're sacrificing for. Captured soldiers, random People,- there's no attachment, no real loss that they'll feel. Most of what was 'sacrificed' by the Aztecs and all those old civilizations did not care about those they used- it was mostly just VERY-old-school Politics. Real sacrifice does mean something, it's a sort of proof- 'you, who ask me to do this means more to me than that which I did this to'. I started ranting a bit- that's why sacrifice is common in our past, and it does make sense. To sum it up, a sacrifice must be a loss to the sacrificer, otherwise it's meaningless. To be clear, it disgusts me, but I understand it.
Or its a matter of perspective.
For the Aztec it was a ritualized execution, for the defeated vassal cities it was a sacrifice, for the Christian Spaniards it was "Le evil human sacrifice"
Tell me how killing someone for pleasing the Gods is not a sacrifice. Even when in the Ilíada when they kill a deer to please the gods they call it sacrifice.
I wanna smash the like button 3 million times. Great humor. Great storytelling. Great analysis. Absolutely outstanding work, congrats. Can’t wait for the next part.
An hour and nearly another half to boot? Why yes, my body IS ready.
11:08 hit me like a freight train. To imagine how confused future historians will be, looking back at our politically charged era, trying to find the truth.
It's still a thing! The whole, "The Roman empire fell because it was decadent!" thing is the Roman equivalent of "WOKE COMMUNISTS are destroying america!" There was this whole Roman insecurity about it. History is politics+time (the cool parts, anyway).
This is the greatest history documentary I’ve ever seen. Possibly the greatest UA-cam video. That Bibliography!
The red comet in the background of this video has me feeling like cobbler birthed dragons from stone while at the same time doing the best scizo rant on the conquistadors I’ve ever seen
DJ, keep it up! Love to see how much you’re improving and consistently bringing these banger videos
Though there’s only one third left as cobbler put it, a third part may be in play when comparing the crown of Spain’s Central American Mexican claims in comparison to their florida and even California’s policies in governing. The adventures of Ponce De Leon to Cortes to Cabrillo evolution wise is a fascinating subject that should be covered in this format
So wild that Granada was conquered the same year they sent Columbus. I have a shirt from Granada that says “since 1492” and every time I see the year it makes me go “wait…”
i'm happy you're covering this. it's one of my favorite stories in history
You thought we wouldn’t notice the rendition of “we will rise again” at the beginning. Great choice.
I love history. Mostly because it speaks so much to human behavior and reveals the ends of those actions. Once again, thank you this was great. Also one author I've highly enjoyed reading is G.A. Henty. He is a history enthusiast of the mid 1800's with a blatant and unabashed bias towards british imperialism. The most interesting read was his perspective on the American war of independence. As a midwestern American kid, it was a fascinating opposite perspective.
G A Henty. what's some of his work's titled?
@@henrypaleveda7760 Winning His Spurs is my personal favorite. True to The Old Flag (American Revolution), Cat of Bubastes (middle empire egypt), With Clive in India (the beginning of the conquest of India), With Buller In Natal (South African war during his lifetime)
Thank you very much!@@timothyjacksondrake4454
As a Mexican I’m happy that you are interested about the history of Mexico
I think the point about sacrifice vs ritualized execution is in the way it’s unevenly applied in order to reinforce narratives about who is civilized and who is not. I’m fine using the term sacrifice as long as we expand its usage to include acts like witch burning which were also ritualistic killings for religious purposes that were often seen as attempts to please their god.
The end explanation was so beautifull I really apreciate your video, hope to see more history from you
This is amazing. The end got to me, In a way that I could finally understand what's wrong with how we view success
I'm mexican and if I was a history teacher, I would tell my kids to watch this video as an assignment
They'd be like "Que" and immediately go out to buy some churros and get chased by rabbid stray dogs just for the thrill.
@@toasterenthusiast6188 sounds about right
If these recent videos means a greater deep dive on the Aztecs and Spanish Conquest of the New World I'm excited AF for this. There's soon many topics to go deeper into stuff, like how a lot of religious figures found in Latin American catholism that are former Indigenous gods, the whole race classification thing the Spaniards pushed really fucking hard, even against Spaniards born in the New World and not in Spain, the idea of Mestizaje and its influence on Latino culture, and the idea of a cosmic race that some academics in Mexico pushed really hard to argue that individuals who were of Spanish and Indigenous descent were the key to elevate human civilization and address social darwinism. Or the Porfiliato, or the Mexican Revolution, The Brazilian Empire. There's soon many topics I haven't even mentioned but God damn Latin Americn history during the Conquest of the New World and the Era of Latin American revolutions.
They all sound like interesting subjects to explore, it bears the mark of a great series like his Rome Neighbors videos were ❤
Definitely you best work yet. I can’t tell you how insightful and impactful this is. It’s a subject that everyone is familiar with but this level of research and storytelling is unparalleled. Not to mention just the production quality and creativity of it all. Truly incredible peach boy
My stars. This is exceptional! Well done, sir. Well done, indeed. Can't wait for the subsequent parts.
This video has really changed the way i look at this, thank you for such a great video