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You're the most based history teach I've ever had, and my history teacher in high school was literally in black hawk down. That guy killed people and said whacky shit. I don't know how he had a job but 2008 was a weird time.
Out of the literal countless documentaries, podcasts, and books that I’ve consumed about the Conquest of Mexico and the Mesoamericans, this is easily one of my favorite takes next to Daniele Bolelli’s History on Fire. Awesome work!
as a mexican, im happy that you took the time to learn about something that most of us dont care about you made me cry with the care you excude in the ridiculous masterpiece you have created
That’s the job of the historian. To care about the things long since forgotten. That’s what scares me, us forgetting our past and why we are who we are. I hope this can spark a love in your heart for history, and to preserve every bit of knowledge we can, so we can never forget what all of our ancestors went through for us to exist today
To think I came to watch Cobbler's videos because of STALKER factions and now I'm following him through the most in-depth and earnest study of my country's conquest of Mexico that I've ever seen in the English tongue. Looking forward to the next video in the series.
@@mbetogarrod The entire period is very overlooked and the American conquests are no exception. We learn a few names and dates, we have a superficial look at the Laws of Burgos and little more. The most we usually learn of Spanish government in the Indies is looking at a map of the viceroyalties. There's still some other ways you hear of our past there (when something was very expensive, it would've been said it costs a Potosí) but it's either language idioms falling in disuse or biased accounts pushed by both sides of the political spectrum, with obvious agendas. It's a symptom of larger problems, like a critical lack of consciousness of self as a nation, a barebones education system, and more that doesn't fit in a YT comment section.
Yeah, lol, it’s pretty funny. You think he’d be one of those creators spouting complete nonsense with how he acts in his videos, but he does an insane amount of research if you look past that surface level.
7:00 When Hatuey says "Why would I want to spend an eternity with you animals?" It felt so visceral and real. I love how you portrayed that moment. Great work DJPC.
Hey, I helped with the video, here's some additional clarifications and corrections! The most important thing to clarify on is what Cobbler said about the Aztec Empire's political structure and how it spread and maintained it's influence and control over it's subject and vassal states... but before that, if you haven't already done so, check out the comments I also left on the prior two videos (one is pinned, one isn't), as I'll build on points from those and those also have good corrections. That aside, as Cobbler states, Aztec influence and power was based on perception as much or really more then it is actual hands on administrative ability: The Mexica of the Aztec capital have a reputation for being brutal and tyrannical, and while it's true that they were military expansionists that made conquests a systemic part of their society, they were actually quite hands off with the places they conquered: Rulers were generally left in place, laws were not usually imposed, nor was there usually any sort of attempt at cultural, religious, or linguistic assimilation. Conquered states could even have their own subjects or go to war against other Aztec subjects as long as Aztec tax quotas still got met and tax officials didn't get caught up in the chaos. The main thing the Mexica cared about was just getting Gold, Jade, Cacao, and so on as economic goods without needing to do the hard work producing it themselves. This meant that subjects and vassals were both effectively and in some ways even formally still independent polities with their own political identity and interests. Cobbler at 21:18 talks about a side effect of this sort of system, where subjects would opportunistically try to secede and stop paying taxes when they thought they could get away with it... but the "Rule through fear" verbiage I think plays into that idea of the Aztec Empire as this hated imperial regime too much: Yes, military power and displays of force kept unruly and unwilling subjects in line (and to be clear, cities WERE sacked, massacred, or had rulers replaced etc on occasion, it just wasn't the Mexica's preference since it required more work on their part to manage or repopulate), but that's only part of the equation: As Cobbler implies at 28:57, states were also inside that empire willingly, or at least not with a Macuahuitl pressed against their throat: Some joined to get better access to the Aztec trade network, others for protection from local rival states. In these cases and especially for states inside the Valley of Mexico, the empire's political core, there would also be attempts at political marriage: This allowed the Mexica to further dig their political tendrills into subjects, but also allowed subjects to benefit politically from having close ties to the Mexica royal family. While it's a simplification, I would generally say the provinces and subjects OUTSIDE the Valley of Mexico merely put up with the Aztec Empire (or tried to resist it) but states INSIDE the Valley of Mexico actively benefitted from the Aztec Empire's success in many cases due to tax influx into the Valley and close dynastic ties to Tenochtitlan. Keep this in mind for latter. This brings up additional nuances to why Moctezuma II allowed Cortes and the Tlaxcalteca into Tenochtitlan, and the "Collection" theory Restall proposes. Firstly, as Cobbler says, Moctezuma II did not want to seem weak and cowardly by turning them away: From the perspective of Mesoamerican kings, this was a tiny band of marauders and soldiers from a state the Mexica had been using as a punching bag for years. The idea of Moctezuma II coming off as a coward may seem like a trivial concern, but this had very real risks: The Aztec Emperor Tizoc did so poorly in his military efforts to re-conquer border provinces on his coronation that it led to more and more secessions, until he was deposed and assassinated by Mexica nobles for threatening to fracture the empire, and even though his successor, Ahuizotl, did fine in his coronation campaigns, Mexica influence was deminished enough that he got literally GHOSTED at his coronation ceremony by other kings nd officials ("The sovereign of Tlaxcala...was unwilling to attend the feasts... and [said] he could make a festival in his city whenever he liked. The ruler of Tliliuhquitepec gave the same answer. The king of Huexotzinco promised to go but never appeared. The ruler of Cholula sent some of his lords and asked to be excused ...) Secondly, flexing how sick your city was with it's beauty, riches, and cleanliness (sanitation was a HUGE thing to the Mesoamericans but especially the Aztec: Beyond the toilets and reuse of waste as fertilizer and dyes cobbler mentions, there was a fleet of civil servents that washed buildings and swept roads daily, buildings were designed to faclitate air flow and had flowers or sweet woods used in and around them; there was extreme social expectations around regular bathing , perpetually clean shaven, and washing ones hands, mouth, teeth multiple times a day; and so much more) was a part of establishing political ties and courting kings into becoming a vassal or an ally: Cortes being toured around the city and palaces and menageries and he and other high ranking Conquistadors being given noblewomen is not just Moctezuma being nice, it's a show of power and trying to set up political marriages (which the Conquisradors mistook as gifts of concubines) and alliances. Lastly, yes, it could be an act of "collecting" the Conquistadors. But this is actually not wholly distinct from everything else I said: On top of collecting birds, animals (Moctezuma II's zoo even contained Bison, which lived thousands of kilometers away!), plants (they had formal taxonomy for plants and flowers and used botanical gardens as sites of experimentation and study, too), fish, and unusual people (Yes, they kept dwarves and other disabled people, though they also acted as advisors and seers and were more palace staff then caged people... but some did get sacrificed), the Aztec also collected aspects of foreign cultures: Deity idols were taken from captured cities and housed in the zoo. They did excavations at the ruins of older Mesoamerican civilizations like at Teotihuacan. And the children's of foreign kings served at Moctezuma's palace as attendants (Moctezuma II even made reforms to specifically denigrate them vs prior Mexica kings), an act of symbolic supremacy, collecting, and a way to impress upon foreign princes Mexica power and so they could share stories of it when they returned home. Moctezuma II's actions with Cortes should hopefully make much more sense now: He was not overly superstitious, or cowardly, or stupid, but being politically shrewd and savvy but he didn't anticipate that Cortes was lying being a diplomat and was really a fugitive from the Crown who would further break diplomatic conventions and hold him hostage. On that note, though, it should be said here that Cobbler overstates the formality and ritualism in Mesoamerican warfare. Yes, there was a very formalized and rich tradition of diplomatic pageantry and this bled into warfare to an extent. But this does not mean the rules were always followed to the letter (look at how chivalry, bushido, or Christian tenants got selectively applied or twisted), and it especially does not mean that wars weren't fought tactically to achieve real political, territorial, or economic objectives: Collecting captives for sacrifice was IMPORTANT, but it's important BECAUSE it was seen as an impressive and unusual thing to do. Even Flower Wars had some pragmatic utility. Sacks and massacres was not that frequent, but it did occasionally happen, especially with, say, the Classic Maya. It's not wrong that the Mesoamericans saw the Spanish's approach to warfare as barbaric, but that doesn't mean the Mexica or other local groups never did anything similar. Some misc points to bring up: - In my comment on last video, I complained that mages were not just inaccurate, but not really representative of mesoamerican stuff at all The first 2/3 of this video suffers from similar issues (except for the animated people cutouts: by Daniel Parada: those are good with 1-2 exceptions like Cobbler using net capes as warrior outfits and him adding the Quetzal headdres Moctezuma II never wore), but the image choices from 29:00 onwards are mostly MUCH better: When you think of the Aztec, those are what should come to mind. The art includes pieces by Scott and Stuart Gentling, OHS688, Daniel Parada, Sopa de Sobre's animation for "ITINERARIO DE HERNAN CORTES", Pierre Joubert (note: his work varies in accuracy, tends to mix of clothing between different meso. cultures and often shows buildings without paint), Adam Hook, Jean Torton for "Voyages D'Alix Les Azrteques" and Luis Covarrubias. I can suggest even more artists if people want. - With the incident where Moctezuma II shows Cortes his steamy, supple chest, Cobbler recounts this as Moctezuma telling Cortes that "My people have told you I am a god?". To be clear, the Mexica and other Nahua/Aztec (If people want me to explain Aztec vs Nahua vs Mexica etc as terms let me know) did not view their kings as gods, really:. This is more hearsay from people on the outskirts of the empire then actual beliefs in Tenochtitlan. - The gorgeous feather mosaic "paintings" shown off at 32:05 was the same technique used on Aztec warsuits (which to be clear, was worn over actual protective gambeson armor), the fronts of shields, and other fancy garments and objects. Hopefully some better images will be used next video for Aztec soldiers, but imagine clearing a field and the enemy battle line is made up of soldiers in full body waruits that glitter and change color in the sunlight with animal themed helmets and giant back mounted banners. Fantasy movies, games etc WISH they were that creative!
The last sentence brought chill down my spine. For as a Mexican I, as many others, have seen plenty of the ruins of what were once the great aztec and Mayan cities that dot almost half ny nation. A year ago I visited Florence and bore witness to its cathedral's Duomo for the first time as I walked down the streets. I was left in awe as I saw its very top peak above the roofs of the city. The Duomo left in me an impression I will never forget. But most importantly, it left me with a moarning I'll never be able to overcome. The Duomo showed me the sort of monuments half of my ancestry stole from the other half. It is a sentiment I do not know how to reconcile with.
It's how I feel about the Confederacy of America! Makes me sad to lose my heritage and culture and those wounds are pretty fresh as people are trying to force statues I love down now!
@LunaticKing-fj3hp Oh no, the Aztecs were undoubtedly a bloody bloody culture. But Mexicans have a weird link to them that isn't even much of a Link. We have our name from them, and some of their influence lingers on. Not to mention many indigenas are still alive today. But us mestizo Mexicans don't have an identity. Least not a well established one. The Spanish side genocided the indigenous one, so we cannot accept one thanks to its crimes against the other, and the other is one forever lost to us. In a weird sense, it is almost like Mexico had a cultural reset after the Spanish conquest. Indiginization has been a factor in our history since the 1600s, wanting to be more connected to our indigenous roots. But we are just as lost as the rest of the world to what the hell the indigenous peoples were like. Mexicans have a really weird sense of lost identity even to this day. Also, you know, the destruction of ancient and vast landmarks is just not cool no matter the reason for it.
@@jrwood88 Fun fact! Mexico also had a civil war in the mid 1800s! Wanna know what we did to our traitors? We killed them in firing lines as traitors deserve instead of your approach of pardoning even the worst of them. Wanna know what statue is where they were killed? A 30 meter tall statue of the man that lead the side that beat them and ordered their deaths. On the feet of that hill there is a statue of the general that beat them. If you loved your country you would be disgusted of men who betrayed it and tried to carve it up. Traitors and people who defended slavery do not deserve statues. The Confederacy lasted for less time than MTV has existed. It is not that big a deal. Stop acting like it was.
Its not so much that the teaching was poor; its more that a significant portion of history was rewritten to better serve whoever was in charge. In this case it was the european (and later, american) colonial powers. even today, the major powers will invent narratives to justify their actions, and outright support historians or journalists who support those narratives. It's hard to blame the teachers when they were likely taught the exact same thing 30 years ago, and suggesting otherwise was met with derision or corporal punishment.
If you try to teach it well, you fall behind and don't hit all the standards and the students aren't prepared for the tests. If you teach it shallow you perpetuate the crimes of the padt.
@@attilabubbysingle anecdotal example: a big part of my fifth grade history was supposed to be on the native Americans. All of them. Instead, we learned about a single culture that liked to carve cities into cliffs and about the pottery they made. nothing after the 13 colonies was talked about. Never brought up the trail of tears, of course. It just completely stopped at the revolutionary war. Then we moved on to American history.
"There's an alternate world where your big Thanksgiving dinner is a nice barbecue brisket. The fact that we do not live in that reality is the source of my suicidal ideation." I have never felt so seen in a UA-cam video.
Honestly, about this series about the Aztecs, Cortes and their relationships, I can say only one thing with certainty: I've learnt that Mesoamerica housed civilizations that were equal to, or at times even rose above, Rome. It's not something I expected; it's a clear sign that the education system of my home failed me, or was inadequate in showing this entire new dimension of our world. But, I've learnt. And now I know, that the Aztecs were far greater than most of our history books have given them credit for Thanks Cobbler. Thanks for educating me
The Aztecs and Inca were both copper/bronze age civilisations, and neither ever moved entirely beyond stone tools. They were impressive civilisations for sure, especially considering they emerged completely independently from any other civilisation, but they were nowhere near the level of advancement the Romans achieved in terms of trade, state structure, technology, logistics, architecture, military organisation and weaponry, etc. In any measure of a civilisation’s advancement the Romans were undeniably further along than any pre-Columbian American civilisation
This might be an unexpected thing to say, but these videos are amazing at tickling my worldbuilding bone, these sort of complicated stories of cultural clashes, the differing motivations and justifications for warfare and empire building, etc. Make for incredibly interesting considerations when it comes to envisioning fictional histories.
It somewhat reminds me of the Malazan Book Of The Fallen series. From book 4 and onwards there is a deep dive into the justification of conquest and a dismantling of the idea of the righteous. How does a threat (real or perceived) against a people or culture give the excuse to trample on the other and who does this narrative serve? Add the world building of seven cities, the revaluation of a Rome comparison when a manifest destiny Carthage comes into the fray and dinosaurs with sword arms and you get one of the most fascinating settings I know. P.s. book 1 is alright. It picks up from numero two.
Alternate history where Cortez and Montezuma become bros and Spain enters a beneficial alliance with the Aztec Empire. Could you imagine Spain using their vast knowledge of navigation to sell Montezuma funny collectibles to maintain their friendship? "Hey buddy, want an elephant?"
You know what i love about this series? The lack of bias and look at what information we have of these events. Cobbler is the only historian i've seen who recognised that the form of christianity the spanish practiced was one forged in the fire of 700 years of war, that the aztec and europeans practiced fundementally different forms of warfare and power projection, what kinda economic and pollitical situations drove the decisions of each party. Its all wonderfully done.
Brutal, can't wait to see part 3. Btw, "requerimiento" here means "demand". Like, when the"king requires your presence", or "the landlord requires you to vacate the property".
The story of Las Casas I think really ties togheter the horrible truth these two videos have exposed. That humanity, goodness and the power to care, did exist all throughout history. Never was there a time where people were born more evil, less uncaring. There were simply times in history, in the societies we had created, where such things weren’t rewared. Where the power to not care, was the most powerfull of them all.
“The Problem isn't that the CEO’s are greedy, but that we pay them handsomely to BE Greedy” - Dj Peach Cobbler 2022 Las Casas really stuck a resonating cord with me. A man who despite everything decided to dedicate his life to a cause he must very well knew he had no chance of really changing anything through. Is that the fate of all the good-hearted? The “Lost Causers” I hope not.
idk the the Americas seemed ok, they even created sports and ball courts, that doesnt happen if you're as insane as europeans. seems they really had it figured out besides maybe overpopulation which is still only a theory.
I’m really loving the liminal space/watery background. It certainly adds a very cool aesthetic to the videos. The general direction these new videos have taken is quite interesting, focusing now on the Aztecs, previously? Rome. What comes next?
As a Mexican, I feel ashamed of what my history classes were during elementary and highschool, here those classes show the Aztecs as poor uneducated people and the Spanish as the ones who brought civilization and modernity, it wasn't until college that I started hearing the truth about what happened, but still the thrust isn't clear, but I'm sure about one thing the Aztecs washed their hands before eating
@@Dong_Harvey It's sadly common practice amongst any nation with a colonial or imperialist past. the natives are always written as uneducated, primitive, and lacking in anything really worthwhile especially their own agency and opinions on the situation. living as the most primitive of ancient hunter gather tribal societies only for the conqueror to bring order and civilization. Which as this video and so many others demonstrate is a grossly simplified explanation at best to a complete and total lie at worst.
Well, they were objectively far further behind the Europeans, Arabs and Asians technology wise. And everyone knew to wash from the beginning of time before doing anythint
@@maew150 yeah I know, there aren't much in the US area but from Mexico going down you can find impressive antique prehispánic structures specially the astronomic pyramids that show figures depending on the time of the year and how the sun light hits them, that something the one on Egypt don't do
@@itnotmeitu3896 that's the worst part actually, different technology doesn't mean less advanced, they had war technology but the natives had mathematics and astrology, they had floating islands so they could grow food on the lake, the war was literally the last thing they wanted to improve on
I gotta say your first instalment has already gotten me to go down a rabbit hole of studying the history of this as well as "new world" interactions throughout history. It also has somehow coincided with me becoming obsessed with authentic Mexican cooking. Its been an enlightening month thanks to you!
I feel like this series not only expanded my understanding, but completely changed my view of "history" as a whole. And this, in turn, made me more capable of looking out for biases and overall a more attentive person on regards of what information I consume, including what I had already learned along life. I hope to be able to express how eye opening this was for me, because, what are we in this age other than information consooomers? Thank you for such great content, looking forward for what comes next.
The conversation between Cortez and Bartholomy was just incredible. If they ever make a serie about the true conquest of Mexico, I NEED this conversation between these two, uncut
I don't think Montezuma was collecting the Spanish, at least not yet since he hadn't conquered them. By that time he was well aware of the Spanish people arriving and it's fair to guess he expected other similar empires to his own existed elsewhere. Even more, they clearly had technology they did not possess, so I doubt his goal was hostile. He housed them near the zoo as a show of power and strength. An ironic "Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair" moment. Still, I find even sadder that if Montezuma invited them as guests, even if just diplomatic, either to buy time or really as a show of good faith to the new empire he has to deal with (which is quite likely), he made himself vulnerable only to be back-stabbed. Even in Europe, at that time and for thousands of years, heck as far as human history goes, diplomatic action was always respected. If the diplomat does not brand arms and respects the law, their security is provided. Betraying someone after you're invited as a guest or by falsely inviting someone as a guest was what many would call "whack", and a political death sentence. I don't know a single civilization in history where that would be accepted or expected (it did happen, of course, a lot, but it's never in good light and always requires several moral justifications and attempts to wiggle out of it). Even the conquistadors knew they couldn't just do that, ergo the many justifications. It's such a brutal act. Also goes to show that it doesn't matter how well you balance power, a stupid guy with a big stick can topple any government (basically Roman's #1 warfare strat).
I'm thinking he also felt like "this is my turf, what could you possibly do here. Clearly you want to ask for my favor and speak with me. You wouldn't come into a city with only three bridges out, an army of guards and talk to the most powerful military leader in all of Mexico expecting to act a fool... unless you were really really stupid"
Hey Cobbler, i've been watching since the long flung past of somewhere around a year or two ago. idk. That's not what's important. What's important is that it's been wonderful watching you grow, watching your channel's style slowly develop, listening to every chalk-addled history lesson you put out a dozen times. You deserve to go to the stars, man. I wish you all the luck in the world. Godspeed, Cobbler.
Bartolomé de las Casas's life and Hernán Cortés legacy reminds me of a quote/poem from Ferdowsi: “I turn to right and left, in all the earth I see no signs of justice, sense or worth: A man does evil deeds, and all his days Are filled with luck and universal praise; Another's good in all he does - he dies A wretched, broken man whom all despise.” ― Abolghasem Ferdowsi, Shahnameh: The Persian Book of King
As a South American, this videos are in another level of entertainment. Objetivist centrism + Shitpost is my new favorite research & analyze methodology.
I gotta be honest. This is some of the finest work of yours to date. Finest works on UA-cam period. I'm 4 months late to the party but I have the feeling I will rewatch this again in a year or so. all of it. it's a great commentary on well... everything human really. just wow. great work. keep it up big man.
I know finding other shocking examples of institutional genocide can be rare but one of the least known, best documented cases happened in California in the 19th century. Some would have prefered it fade into the past but the US Army takes great notes. Troops stationed on the west coast during the Civil War were sent home without any chance to kill, maim and pillage for their country. US Army officers marching down from Seattle saw opportunities to seek and destroy any remaining native communities and collect the reward paid by the state for Indian scalps. Men, women and children were killed as described in painstaking reports from said officers jubilant in the Union victory over the Confederates. With Spain put of the way California only had to exterminate all known tribes before it felt good about being such a cool mellow chill vibe utopia. All the reports are achived and its so much worse than I can describe.
I wonder how much of Momtezuma welcoming the Spanish was more about the Tlaxcalteca than the Spanish. The Spanish seemed to be accompanying the Tlaxcalteca and were likely thought to be a minor contingent in a much larger force. The Spanish may have been minor characters to the actual negotiations between the Tlaxcalteca and Mexica.
But Montezuma was a leader of a larger, more powerful empire to whole Tlaxcalteca were long time enemies. Even if er assume that he didn't order a preventive ambush at Telula, surely after the massacre there he would not welcome the perpetrators into the underbelly of his capital?
@@fillosof66689 as the video states the war season had ended. Montezuma expected peace talks and a settlement to be agreed upon. Maybe in exchange for subservience and tribute payments in exchange for the nobility of Cholula to be replaced by that of the Tlaxcalteca. Possibly the Spanish themselves could be used as a bargaining chip to be sacrificed or kept as pets. Both parties were suffering from massive losses due to plague throughout this story which should not be overlooked.
@@davidvasey5065 because they got sick and died, then got rolled over. They also were not expected to have done what they did since it was a serious breach of decorum. To attack ones hosts is seen as a violation of a deeply rooted social contract in almost every society across the world. Since accepting and treating guests well is also an almost universal social responsibility of the wealthy. So to betray that social custom on the receiving end is an especially horrid act.
@kekero540 its honestly really curious to me hoe some things are nigh universal among humans. Treat your guests well, treat your host well, don't murder people unprompted, cheating is bad, etc.
I know I'm late but I just wanted to say that i love your history documentaries. They show events and actors in the context of their circumstances and societies and not as isolated events. I think that the inclusion of this wider context provides a far more understandable picture about historical events than the popular narrative ever could provide. I just wanted to say thank you for putting that much effort in your videos and for feeding my unhealthy history obsession. You are a great storyteller and it's always the highlight of my day when you upload a new video.❤
to me, it sounded like he was just displaying his power, his wealth, and his confidences as a ruler, especially if he thought they where going to pay for his protection, a sales person doesn't just tell you about their product, they show you, they flaunt it until you want it, if they where guests, and he thought they came to talk about joining his empire, why wouldn't he show off to seal the deal and show what they could be a part of?
That last sentence is something I left out, and I’m thrilled to see you reached the conclusion on your own! The fact is, Tenochtitlan would often keep royal cupbearers and such from rivals, under the assumption they would return home with tales of Aztec wealth/generosity. Perhaps I should’ve included that fact, that being said, I do take pride in letting the viewer think, rather than telling them what to think. This is convenient, because then I don’t need to try so hard! In all seriousness, that is something I try to do, and I’m very impressed you figured that out on your own. There’s a lot of merit to the idea
@@DJPeachCobbler you do a great job of giving the facts to reach these conclusions! even through all the satire its always really easy to pick up the ideas your trying to lay out and to figure out these conclusions, you honestly do a better job of teaching me the ideas of history, and their politics then school ever did for me, and in a way that gets me thinking, and I'm sure many are the same way! thank you for all you do, and honestly your sudden replay made my night! :D Thank you!
I've got to say I really enjoyed this video. I delayed watching it as I am currently trying to finish university but decided to treat myself to this and I really did not regret it. It was great and it was nice how it reminded me that I actually learned about de las casas in school, not thinking too much of it but that made your video somewhat more personal. I like the way you tackled the whole topic and the (mis-)understandings about this cultural exchange that happend. I absolutly appreciate the work that you are putting into your videos, thanks man, keep up the great work!
Bro I can't get this video out of my head, the thought of an enemy lying about you to justify their own wrong actions and being remember for alot of history by the vast majority as a bumbling fool, I just can't cope
I want to add that the practice of guest rights was practiced by every Abrahamic religion. So they would know what obligations that entailed and how hot the fires of hell were for those who broke it. It is more important in Muslim and Jewish traditions but still unmistakably present in Christianity. So killing a host or a host killing their guests is one of the most horrid acts someone can commit as it violates a foundational part of cultural expectations. In fact I’m may be even older than Judaism considering it’s rules and customs associated with it are taken as given, and it is only reinforced that one should take ANY and ALL guests and treat them well. As it is obvious the social contract forbids the practice of guests killing their hosts.
This is truly the best historical coverage I have ever experienced. I hate history. It is the worst class known to man, and I scream with rage whenever anyone says that history is important because I disagree with the idea that centuries of ideology and propaganda are "useful" to understanding the present. Not only are you constantly aware of bias, you actively uncover why things are biased the way they are to understand the actual power relations involved. You are slowly making me care about the past and its ramifications for the future. Thank you, I cant wait for more.
Ironically, your hatred of history, like many others of this day and age, can be understood to be a product of history that is completely presictable if you studied history to help you understand why things are the way they are today.
Glad to see this so soon. Every time I learned this in American Schools they never went over *what* happened only that Corteaz was the most brutal of the Conquistadors. It might have simply been the conscious of my teachers to not say something so stupid or the Rural American Schools being lazy.
I just left a comment on the last video i watched predicting that youre a centrist, and then you outright say it in the ad in this video lol. I gotta say im glad i found this channel. Its inspiring because ive been toying with the idea of making videos and i wanted the vibes to be exactly what your channel is.
I was recently at the anthropology museum in Mexico City and the feather work is absolutely fascinating even for todays standards. I have never seen such an opulent head dress as the one moctezuma wore.
Hey man I'm about to watch the video. In my current study I have pretty much no history learning whatsoever. I wanna thank you for making these entertaining videos, this way I can still get a little bit of historical principles and knowledge here and there.
"is the source of my suicidal ideations" ... Is Dj trying to imply that he wants to get isekai'd into a universe where thanksgiving is a smoked brisket?
Seriously beautiful as always. I cant express how much your ending points always hit home. I always find myself in this, part 1, and "when America almost had a ceasar" re-watching the endings because it puts into words those feeling I've always had about history/politics/the world so succinctly. "The system needed monsters to work. So they paid men handsomly to be monsters.", fuck yeah dude.
Your videos keep getting better! I really liked this one, I don't know much about ancient Mesoamerican culture but learning about Aztec empires is really interesting! How little we know about it kind of reminds me of Norse mythology, and how we don't know much about it ebcause it was all framed by the catholics who wrote it all down.
Nothing better than a cobbler video on a Friday arvo. Thanks for the content brother you have gotten me through some rough times and I’m glad the UA-cam environment has the input of someone like yourself. Fantastic video as always
You have such a great way with words Cobbler. You know when to be funny and when to stop the jokes and be dead serious. I have learned a lot from your rants and it has given me a want for knowledge about the topics you talk about. Each one of your videos concerning the new world is fantastic and I can only wait with anticipation your third video on this series. Thanks for your excellent work and dedication to the teaching of history, a think in need in our times. -Your personal demons.
24:00 Exactly, do you think we'd be complaining about constant war if it was just something only rich people died doing? Plus then they can say that they actually EARNED their priveledge if they spend 60 years wailing on each other.
11:30 The idea that native mortality due to infectious diseases wasn't due to colonizer intervention is being re-evaluated nowadays. We are beginning to understand that those two processes were intertwined: indeed, if you have a population forced to do exhausting physical work, and whose food security is uncertain due to the collapse of the empire that ruled them, it's reasonable to think that this population is going to be much more vulnerable to diseases. And many native peoples did know how to isolate themselves in case of a plague, but the concentration of the population by the Spaniards, and subsequent overcrowding, made it impossible for them to do so. See for example Edwards, T.S. & P. Kelton. 2020; Herzog, R. 2020; Cook, N.D. 2010.
This video series has made me realize that history needs to be looked at with the same level of scrutiny that I use when looking at the narrative put in front of me in modern day. Who'd've thought it would take a musically inclined peach dessert schizo-posting on UA-cam for me to learn that.
I cannot overstate how much I love you and your channel. The balance of well researched chaos has never been so eloquently presented on such a consistent basis. Glad to be one of the few who knew you when you had 1.8k subs. You haven't aged a day 😏
Oh HELL yeah I’m so glad you’re 1. Continuing this series 2. Finally reaching out to the Gay part of your audience 🥰🥰🥰. We are deeply underrepresented in the Cobbler House of Reps.
I truly appreciate the effort and time you put into your videos. There are youtubersI like that post every couple of days, but when you upload, I know it's going to be something worth watching.
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As a Derek, I wonder what one of us did to deserve such ire…
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You're the most based history teach I've ever had, and my history teacher in high school was literally in black hawk down. That guy killed people and said whacky shit. I don't know how he had a job but 2008 was a weird time.
I love you you crumby bastard (full pun intended) 🥵😘
Dj why why tell me what have we done to you you evil monster 😭😭😭😭
I’m so glad I found this anti gay anti straight anti Semitic pro Israel based and woke channel. Please continue!
An apt summation.
Wait so its not anti bi?
@@Ikirusno, because he likes the romans.
he is anti-bottom tho.(because he likes the romans)
I hate the fake country of Israel and it’s unsettling population it’s insane
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Out of the literal countless documentaries, podcasts, and books that I’ve consumed about the Conquest of Mexico and the Mesoamericans, this is easily one of my favorite takes next to Daniele Bolelli’s History on Fire. Awesome work!
Daniele Bolelli slaps harder than my alcoholic father.
Kraut had a good series about Mexico's whole history
From one hyper specific obsession with a military-based empire to the next. Looking forward to your next schizotism rant.
We prefer the term "schitzoid" rant
@@uDanielsAutistophrenic*
@@uDanielsschizotistic?
I prefer the term ADHD comorbid with Asperger's
@@duckpotat9818I prefer ass burgers
as a mexican, im happy that you took the time to learn about something that most of us dont care about
you made me cry with the care you excude in the ridiculous masterpiece you have created
That’s the job of the historian. To care about the things long since forgotten. That’s what scares me, us forgetting our past and why we are who we are. I hope this can spark a love in your heart for history, and to preserve every bit of knowledge we can, so we can never forget what all of our ancestors went through for us to exist today
Excrude indeed
Isn't it crazy that some schizo bioshock playef manages to do better work then a big part of mainstream academia ?
Being here for the transition from gaming to history is fucking amazing. I love this content.
I don’t think he’s transitioning, lol, he has been doing both for years
Truly my favorite trans UA-cam bakery good.
Now we wait for the next transition, 😊
To think I came to watch Cobbler's videos because of STALKER factions and now I'm following him through the most in-depth and earnest study of my country's conquest of Mexico that I've ever seen in the English tongue. Looking forward to the next video in the series.
Right! It started with Far cry 3 video, then some rants, fuck the FBI, Rome and now the Aztec empire. Been a journey.
@@thenightmauler8713 A modern media odyssey like few others
What does your country teach about the subject of the conquest of Mexico? Asking as a Mexican-American
@@mbetogarrod The entire period is very overlooked and the American conquests are no exception. We learn a few names and dates, we have a superficial look at the Laws of Burgos and little more. The most we usually learn of Spanish government in the Indies is looking at a map of the viceroyalties. There's still some other ways you hear of our past there (when something was very expensive, it would've been said it costs a Potosí) but it's either language idioms falling in disuse or biased accounts pushed by both sides of the political spectrum, with obvious agendas. It's a symptom of larger problems, like a critical lack of consciousness of self as a nation, a barebones education system, and more that doesn't fit in a YT comment section.
To think the first time I learned of DJ peach cobbler was his RUINER video
This channel is so weirdly well researched
Yeah, lol, it’s pretty funny. You think he’d be one of those creators spouting complete nonsense with how he acts in his videos, but he does an insane amount of research if you look past that surface level.
@@peamut547 Acts like a crazy conspiracy theorist but researched every point he makes for days just trying to find out the truth
Yeah, it's the best of the two world of history, schizo well recheard rant
7:00
When Hatuey says "Why would I want to spend an eternity with you animals?"
It felt so visceral and real. I love how you portrayed that moment.
Great work DJPC.
Native American SHOCKED after Spanish tell them Spaniards rule the world in PEFECT SPANISH
Hey, I helped with the video, here's some additional clarifications and corrections! The most important thing to clarify on is what Cobbler said about the Aztec Empire's political structure and how it spread and maintained it's influence and control over it's subject and vassal states... but before that, if you haven't already done so, check out the comments I also left on the prior two videos (one is pinned, one isn't), as I'll build on points from those and those also have good corrections. That aside, as Cobbler states, Aztec influence and power was based on perception as much or really more then it is actual hands on administrative ability:
The Mexica of the Aztec capital have a reputation for being brutal and tyrannical, and while it's true that they were military expansionists that made conquests a systemic part of their society, they were actually quite hands off with the places they conquered: Rulers were generally left in place, laws were not usually imposed, nor was there usually any sort of attempt at cultural, religious, or linguistic assimilation. Conquered states could even have their own subjects or go to war against other Aztec subjects as long as Aztec tax quotas still got met and tax officials didn't get caught up in the chaos. The main thing the Mexica cared about was just getting Gold, Jade, Cacao, and so on as economic goods without needing to do the hard work producing it themselves. This meant that subjects and vassals were both effectively and in some ways even formally still independent polities with their own political identity and interests.
Cobbler at 21:18 talks about a side effect of this sort of system, where subjects would opportunistically try to secede and stop paying taxes when they thought they could get away with it... but the "Rule through fear" verbiage I think plays into that idea of the Aztec Empire as this hated imperial regime too much: Yes, military power and displays of force kept unruly and unwilling subjects in line (and to be clear, cities WERE sacked, massacred, or had rulers replaced etc on occasion, it just wasn't the Mexica's preference since it required more work on their part to manage or repopulate), but that's only part of the equation: As Cobbler implies at 28:57, states were also inside that empire willingly, or at least not with a Macuahuitl pressed against their throat: Some joined to get better access to the Aztec trade network, others for protection from local rival states. In these cases and especially for states inside the Valley of Mexico, the empire's political core, there would also be attempts at political marriage: This allowed the Mexica to further dig their political tendrills into subjects, but also allowed subjects to benefit politically from having close ties to the Mexica royal family. While it's a simplification, I would generally say the provinces and subjects OUTSIDE the Valley of Mexico merely put up with the Aztec Empire (or tried to resist it) but states INSIDE the Valley of Mexico actively benefitted from the Aztec Empire's success in many cases due to tax influx into the Valley and close dynastic ties to Tenochtitlan. Keep this in mind for latter.
This brings up additional nuances to why Moctezuma II allowed Cortes and the Tlaxcalteca into Tenochtitlan, and the "Collection" theory Restall proposes. Firstly, as Cobbler says, Moctezuma II did not want to seem weak and cowardly by turning them away: From the perspective of Mesoamerican kings, this was a tiny band of marauders and soldiers from a state the Mexica had been using as a punching bag for years. The idea of Moctezuma II coming off as a coward may seem like a trivial concern, but this had very real risks: The Aztec Emperor Tizoc did so poorly in his military efforts to re-conquer border provinces on his coronation that it led to more and more secessions, until he was deposed and assassinated by Mexica nobles for threatening to fracture the empire, and even though his successor, Ahuizotl, did fine in his coronation campaigns, Mexica influence was deminished enough that he got literally GHOSTED at his coronation ceremony by other kings nd officials ("The sovereign of Tlaxcala...was unwilling to attend the feasts... and [said] he could make a festival in his city whenever he liked. The ruler of Tliliuhquitepec gave the same answer. The king of Huexotzinco promised to go but never appeared. The ruler of Cholula sent some of his lords and asked to be excused ...)
Secondly, flexing how sick your city was with it's beauty, riches, and cleanliness (sanitation was a HUGE thing to the Mesoamericans but especially the Aztec: Beyond the toilets and reuse of waste as fertilizer and dyes cobbler mentions, there was a fleet of civil servents that washed buildings and swept roads daily, buildings were designed to faclitate air flow and had flowers or sweet woods used in and around them; there was extreme social expectations around regular bathing , perpetually clean shaven, and washing ones hands, mouth, teeth multiple times a day; and so much more) was a part of establishing political ties and courting kings into becoming a vassal or an ally: Cortes being toured around the city and palaces and menageries and he and other high ranking Conquistadors being given noblewomen is not just Moctezuma being nice, it's a show of power and trying to set up political marriages (which the Conquisradors mistook as gifts of concubines) and alliances.
Lastly, yes, it could be an act of "collecting" the Conquistadors. But this is actually not wholly distinct from everything else I said: On top of collecting birds, animals (Moctezuma II's zoo even contained Bison, which lived thousands of kilometers away!), plants (they had formal taxonomy for plants and flowers and used botanical gardens as sites of experimentation and study, too), fish, and unusual people (Yes, they kept dwarves and other disabled people, though they also acted as advisors and seers and were more palace staff then caged people... but some did get sacrificed), the Aztec also collected aspects of foreign cultures: Deity idols were taken from captured cities and housed in the zoo. They did excavations at the ruins of older Mesoamerican civilizations like at Teotihuacan. And the children's of foreign kings served at Moctezuma's palace as attendants (Moctezuma II even made reforms to specifically denigrate them vs prior Mexica kings), an act of symbolic supremacy, collecting, and a way to impress upon foreign princes Mexica power and so they could share stories of it when they returned home.
Moctezuma II's actions with Cortes should hopefully make much more sense now: He was not overly superstitious, or cowardly, or stupid, but being politically shrewd and savvy but he didn't anticipate that Cortes was lying being a diplomat and was really a fugitive from the Crown who would further break diplomatic conventions and hold him hostage.
On that note, though, it should be said here that Cobbler overstates the formality and ritualism in Mesoamerican warfare. Yes, there was a very formalized and rich tradition of diplomatic pageantry and this bled into warfare to an extent. But this does not mean the rules were always followed to the letter (look at how chivalry, bushido, or Christian tenants got selectively applied or twisted), and it especially does not mean that wars weren't fought tactically to achieve real political, territorial, or economic objectives: Collecting captives for sacrifice was IMPORTANT, but it's important BECAUSE it was seen as an impressive and unusual thing to do. Even Flower Wars had some pragmatic utility. Sacks and massacres was not that frequent, but it did occasionally happen, especially with, say, the Classic Maya. It's not wrong that the Mesoamericans saw the Spanish's approach to warfare as barbaric, but that doesn't mean the Mexica or other local groups never did anything similar.
Some misc points to bring up:
- In my comment on last video, I complained that mages were not just inaccurate, but not really representative of mesoamerican stuff at all The first 2/3 of this video suffers from similar issues (except for the animated people cutouts: by Daniel Parada: those are good with 1-2 exceptions like Cobbler using net capes as warrior outfits and him adding the Quetzal headdres Moctezuma II never wore), but the image choices from 29:00 onwards are mostly MUCH better: When you think of the Aztec, those are what should come to mind.
The art includes pieces by Scott and Stuart Gentling, OHS688, Daniel Parada, Sopa de Sobre's animation for "ITINERARIO DE HERNAN CORTES", Pierre Joubert (note: his work varies in accuracy, tends to mix of clothing between different meso. cultures and often shows buildings without paint), Adam Hook, Jean Torton for "Voyages D'Alix Les Azrteques" and Luis Covarrubias. I can suggest even more artists if people want.
- With the incident where Moctezuma II shows Cortes his steamy, supple chest, Cobbler recounts this as Moctezuma telling Cortes that "My people have told you I am a god?". To be clear, the Mexica and other Nahua/Aztec (If people want me to explain Aztec vs Nahua vs Mexica etc as terms let me know) did not view their kings as gods, really:. This is more hearsay from people on the outskirts of the empire then actual beliefs in Tenochtitlan.
- The gorgeous feather mosaic "paintings" shown off at 32:05 was the same technique used on Aztec warsuits (which to be clear, was worn over actual protective gambeson armor), the fronts of shields, and other fancy garments and objects. Hopefully some better images will be used next video for Aztec soldiers, but imagine clearing a field and the enemy battle line is made up of soldiers in full body waruits that glitter and change color in the sunlight with animal themed helmets and giant back mounted banners. Fantasy movies, games etc WISH they were that creative!
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Thanks
Shoot man, it great to see you again. I hope it gets pinned soon
Viiiirgin alerrrrrrt
Too long
Didn't read
Always the best format for history. Love all these series
Honestly I've learned more about Aztec history through these videos than I have ever learned while I was in high school.
You commented 8 minutes ago and didn't watch it all the way. Your opinion is invalid. Fake news
@@Jinkani The real cinematic comment we've been waiting for
@@Jinkani *can you feel the broken...*
@@JinkaniThere was an hour and a half video before this one that the commenter could have watched.
You act like that says something. High school doesn't teach shit
The last sentence brought chill down my spine. For as a Mexican I, as many others, have seen plenty of the ruins of what were once the great aztec and Mayan cities that dot almost half ny nation. A year ago I visited Florence and bore witness to its cathedral's Duomo for the first time as I walked down the streets. I was left in awe as I saw its very top peak above the roofs of the city. The Duomo left in me an impression I will never forget. But most importantly, it left me with a moarning I'll never be able to overcome. The Duomo showed me the sort of monuments half of my ancestry stole from the other half. It is a sentiment I do not know how to reconcile with.
It's how I feel about the Confederacy of America!
Makes me sad to lose my heritage and culture and those wounds are pretty fresh as people are trying to force statues I love down now!
@LunaticKing-fj3hp Oh no, the Aztecs were undoubtedly a bloody bloody culture. But Mexicans have a weird link to them that isn't even much of a Link. We have our name from them, and some of their influence lingers on. Not to mention many indigenas are still alive today. But us mestizo Mexicans don't have an identity. Least not a well established one. The Spanish side genocided the indigenous one, so we cannot accept one thanks to its crimes against the other, and the other is one forever lost to us. In a weird sense, it is almost like Mexico had a cultural reset after the Spanish conquest. Indiginization has been a factor in our history since the 1600s, wanting to be more connected to our indigenous roots. But we are just as lost as the rest of the world to what the hell the indigenous peoples were like. Mexicans have a really weird sense of lost identity even to this day.
Also, you know, the destruction of ancient and vast landmarks is just not cool no matter the reason for it.
@@jrwood88 Fun fact! Mexico also had a civil war in the mid 1800s!
Wanna know what we did to our traitors? We killed them in firing lines as traitors deserve instead of your approach of pardoning even the worst of them.
Wanna know what statue is where they were killed? A 30 meter tall statue of the man that lead the side that beat them and ordered their deaths. On the feet of that hill there is a statue of the general that beat them.
If you loved your country you would be disgusted of men who betrayed it and tried to carve it up.
Traitors and people who defended slavery do not deserve statues. The Confederacy lasted for less time than MTV has existed. It is not that big a deal. Stop acting like it was.
@jrwood88 dude you mean the half that fought for slavery?🤨
@LunaticKing-fj3hpexactly like the christians did?
Your videos so far have been the most enlightening things in this tiresome era. You brought my love of history back by going so deeply into it.
So deep
Mhmmm deep, yeah! Give me mooore! 🎉
Thanks! I greatly enjoy your history content. Love your sense of humor lol 😂 Gracias!
Better history teaching then my damn classes.
Its not so much that the teaching was poor; its more that a significant portion of history was rewritten to better serve whoever was in charge. In this case it was the european (and later, american) colonial powers. even today, the major powers will invent narratives to justify their actions, and outright support historians or journalists who support those narratives. It's hard to blame the teachers when they were likely taught the exact same thing 30 years ago, and suggesting otherwise was met with derision or corporal punishment.
If you try to teach it well, you fall behind and don't hit all the standards and the students aren't prepared for the tests. If you teach it shallow you perpetuate the crimes of the padt.
Better facts, better resources, better history. Papa Johns.
Wierdly just as many gay jokes as my damn classes
@@attilabubbysingle anecdotal example: a big part of my fifth grade history was supposed to be on the native Americans. All of them. Instead, we learned about a single culture that liked to carve cities into cliffs and about the pottery they made. nothing after the 13 colonies was talked about. Never brought up the trail of tears, of course. It just completely stopped at the revolutionary war. Then we moved on to American history.
Holy Mother of God, this man just keeps getting better
Hopefully he doesn't slide back into schizophrenia after this glorious episode of lucidity
"There's an alternate world where your big Thanksgiving dinner is a nice barbecue brisket. The fact that we do not live in that reality is the source of my suicidal ideation."
I have never felt so seen in a UA-cam video.
Honestly, about this series about the Aztecs, Cortes and their relationships, I can say only one thing with certainty:
I've learnt that Mesoamerica housed civilizations that were equal to, or at times even rose above, Rome. It's not something I expected; it's a clear sign that the education system of my home failed me, or was inadequate in showing this entire new dimension of our world. But, I've learnt. And now I know, that the Aztecs were far greater than most of our history books have given them credit for
Thanks Cobbler. Thanks for educating me
The Aztecs and Inca were both copper/bronze age civilisations, and neither ever moved entirely beyond stone tools. They were impressive civilisations for sure, especially considering they emerged completely independently from any other civilisation, but they were nowhere near the level of advancement the Romans achieved in terms of trade, state structure, technology, logistics, architecture, military organisation and weaponry, etc. In any measure of a civilisation’s advancement the Romans were undeniably further along than any pre-Columbian American civilisation
If Monty wasn’t keeping them as zoo exhibits, possibly a show of “look at these collections”. “See my power”. Love these videos.
Never care what the subject is on this channel it's always so good and funny.
I'll like the comment even though Norway
@@BiggestCorvid Even though Norway😂
This might be an unexpected thing to say, but these videos are amazing at tickling my worldbuilding bone, these sort of complicated stories of cultural clashes, the differing motivations and justifications for warfare and empire building, etc. Make for incredibly interesting considerations when it comes to envisioning fictional histories.
same.
It somewhat reminds me of the Malazan Book Of The Fallen series. From book 4 and onwards there is a deep dive into the justification of conquest and a dismantling of the idea of the righteous. How does a threat (real or perceived) against a people or culture give the excuse to trample on the other and who does this narrative serve?
Add the world building of seven cities, the revaluation of a Rome comparison when a manifest destiny Carthage comes into the fray and dinosaurs with sword arms and you get one of the most fascinating settings I know.
P.s. book 1 is alright. It picks up from numero two.
Alternate history where Cortez and Montezuma become bros and Spain enters a beneficial alliance with the Aztec Empire.
Could you imagine Spain using their vast knowledge of navigation to sell Montezuma funny collectibles to maintain their friendship?
"Hey buddy, want an elephant?"
I hate that I wish we lived in that timeline.
These videos always make my day. Never stop what you’re doing, this stuff is excellent!
You know what i love about this series? The lack of bias and look at what information we have of these events. Cobbler is the only historian i've seen who recognised that the form of christianity the spanish practiced was one forged in the fire of 700 years of war, that the aztec and europeans practiced fundementally different forms of warfare and power projection, what kinda economic and pollitical situations drove the decisions of each party.
Its all wonderfully done.
Brutal, can't wait to see part 3.
Btw, "requerimiento" here means "demand". Like, when the"king requires your presence", or "the landlord requires you to vacate the property".
The story of Las Casas I think really ties togheter the horrible truth these two videos have exposed. That humanity, goodness and the power to care, did exist all throughout history. Never was there a time where people were born more evil, less uncaring. There were simply times in history, in the societies we had created, where such things weren’t rewared. Where the power to not care, was the most powerfull of them all.
“The Problem isn't that the CEO’s are greedy, but that we pay them handsomely to BE Greedy” - Dj Peach Cobbler 2022
Las Casas really stuck a resonating cord with me. A man who despite everything decided to dedicate his life to a cause he must very well knew he had no chance of really changing anything through. Is that the fate of all the good-hearted? The “Lost Causers”
I hope not.
idk the the Americas seemed ok, they even created sports and ball courts, that doesnt happen if you're as insane as europeans. seems they really had it figured out besides maybe overpopulation which is still only a theory.
I’m really loving the liminal space/watery background. It certainly adds a very cool aesthetic to the videos. The general direction these new videos have taken is quite interesting, focusing now on the Aztecs, previously? Rome. What comes next?
Asia would be fascinating. The continent is incredibly diverse and has some batshit insane history.
@@owenchafer1083I'd love to see him get into the wacky, millions of people killing, antics of the various emperors and dynasties.
As a Mexican, I feel ashamed of what my history classes were during elementary and highschool, here those classes show the Aztecs as poor uneducated people and the Spanish as the ones who brought civilization and modernity, it wasn't until college that I started hearing the truth about what happened, but still the thrust isn't clear, but I'm sure about one thing the Aztecs washed their hands before eating
In the US, we do the same concerning Indigenous tribal cultures, some of which were empires in their own right.
@@Dong_Harvey It's sadly common practice amongst any nation with a colonial or imperialist past. the natives are always written as uneducated, primitive, and lacking in anything really worthwhile especially their own agency and opinions on the situation. living as the most primitive of ancient hunter gather tribal societies only for the conqueror to bring order and civilization. Which as this video and so many others demonstrate is a grossly simplified explanation at best to a complete and total lie at worst.
Well, they were objectively far further behind the Europeans, Arabs and Asians technology wise. And everyone knew to wash from the beginning of time before doing anythint
@@maew150 yeah I know, there aren't much in the US area but from Mexico going down you can find impressive antique prehispánic structures specially the astronomic pyramids that show figures depending on the time of the year and how the sun light hits them, that something the one on Egypt don't do
@@itnotmeitu3896 that's the worst part actually, different technology doesn't mean less advanced, they had war technology but the natives had mathematics and astrology, they had floating islands so they could grow food on the lake, the war was literally the last thing they wanted to improve on
I gotta say your first instalment has already gotten me to go down a rabbit hole of studying the history of this as well as "new world" interactions throughout history. It also has somehow coincided with me becoming obsessed with authentic Mexican cooking. Its been an enlightening month thanks to you!
I feel like this series not only expanded my understanding, but completely changed my view of "history" as a whole. And this, in turn, made me more capable of looking out for biases and overall a more attentive person on regards of what information I consume, including what I had already learned along life. I hope to be able to express how eye opening this was for me, because, what are we in this age other than information consooomers?
Thank you for such great content, looking forward for what comes next.
The conversation between Cortez and Bartholomy was just incredible. If they ever make a serie about the true conquest of Mexico, I NEED this conversation between these two, uncut
I don't think Montezuma was collecting the Spanish, at least not yet since he hadn't conquered them. By that time he was well aware of the Spanish people arriving and it's fair to guess he expected other similar empires to his own existed elsewhere. Even more, they clearly had technology they did not possess, so I doubt his goal was hostile. He housed them near the zoo as a show of power and strength. An ironic "Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair" moment.
Still, I find even sadder that if Montezuma invited them as guests, even if just diplomatic, either to buy time or really as a show of good faith to the new empire he has to deal with (which is quite likely), he made himself vulnerable only to be back-stabbed. Even in Europe, at that time and for thousands of years, heck as far as human history goes, diplomatic action was always respected. If the diplomat does not brand arms and respects the law, their security is provided. Betraying someone after you're invited as a guest or by falsely inviting someone as a guest was what many would call "whack", and a political death sentence. I don't know a single civilization in history where that would be accepted or expected (it did happen, of course, a lot, but it's never in good light and always requires several moral justifications and attempts to wiggle out of it). Even the conquistadors knew they couldn't just do that, ergo the many justifications. It's such a brutal act.
Also goes to show that it doesn't matter how well you balance power, a stupid guy with a big stick can topple any government (basically Roman's #1 warfare strat).
I'm thinking he also felt like "this is my turf, what could you possibly do here. Clearly you want to ask for my favor and speak with me. You wouldn't come into a city with only three bridges out, an army of guards and talk to the most powerful military leader in all of Mexico expecting to act a fool... unless you were really really stupid"
Well so much for that, because it actually worked. @@andrewdestefano4143
Hey Cobbler, i've been watching since the long flung past of somewhere around a year or two ago. idk. That's not what's important. What's important is that it's been wonderful watching you grow, watching your channel's style slowly develop, listening to every chalk-addled history lesson you put out a dozen times. You deserve to go to the stars, man. I wish you all the luck in the world. Godspeed, Cobbler.
Bartolomé de las Casas's life and Hernán Cortés legacy reminds me of a quote/poem from Ferdowsi:
“I turn to right and left, in all the earth
I see no signs of justice, sense or worth:
A man does evil deeds, and all his days
Are filled with luck and universal praise;
Another's good in all he does - he dies
A wretched, broken man whom all despise.”
― Abolghasem Ferdowsi, Shahnameh: The Persian Book of King
As a South American, this videos are in another level of entertainment. Objetivist centrism + Shitpost is my new favorite research & analyze methodology.
You’ve done a heck of a lot for native history. I appreciate your work cobbler.
I was about to start the most boring and longest part of my job when this upload came. Thanks for giving me something worth listening to, Cobbler 👍
I gotta be honest. This is some of the finest work of yours to date. Finest works on UA-cam period.
I'm 4 months late to the party but I have the feeling I will rewatch this again in a year or so. all of it.
it's a great commentary on well... everything human really.
just wow.
great work.
keep it up big man.
hats off to the man
I know finding other shocking examples of institutional genocide can be rare but one of the least known, best documented cases happened in California in the 19th century. Some would have prefered it fade into the past but the US Army takes great notes. Troops stationed on the west coast during the Civil War were sent home without any chance to kill, maim and pillage for their country. US Army officers marching down from Seattle saw opportunities to seek and destroy any remaining native communities and collect the reward paid by the state for Indian scalps. Men, women and children were killed as described in painstaking reports from said officers jubilant in the Union victory over the Confederates. With Spain put of the way California only had to exterminate all known tribes before it felt good about being such a cool mellow chill vibe utopia. All the reports are achived and its so much worse than I can describe.
I wonder how much of Momtezuma welcoming the Spanish was more about the Tlaxcalteca than the Spanish.
The Spanish seemed to be accompanying the Tlaxcalteca and were likely thought to be a minor contingent in a much larger force. The Spanish may have been minor characters to the actual negotiations between the Tlaxcalteca and Mexica.
But Montezuma was a leader of a larger, more powerful empire to whole Tlaxcalteca were long time enemies. Even if er assume that he didn't order a preventive ambush at Telula, surely after the massacre there he would not welcome the perpetrators into the underbelly of his capital?
@@fillosof66689 as the video states the war season had ended. Montezuma expected peace talks and a settlement to be agreed upon. Maybe in exchange for subservience and tribute payments in exchange for the nobility of Cholula to be replaced by that of the Tlaxcalteca.
Possibly the Spanish themselves could be used as a bargaining chip to be sacrificed or kept as pets. Both parties were suffering from massive losses due to plague throughout this story which should not be overlooked.
Why did Mexico became New Spain and not the Tlaxcalteca empire then?
@@davidvasey5065 because they got sick and died, then got rolled over. They also were not expected to have done what they did since it was a serious breach of decorum. To attack ones hosts is seen as a violation of a deeply rooted social contract in almost every society across the world. Since accepting and treating guests well is also an almost universal social responsibility of the wealthy. So to betray that social custom on the receiving end is an especially horrid act.
@kekero540 its honestly really curious to me hoe some things are nigh universal among humans.
Treat your guests well, treat your host well, don't murder people unprompted, cheating is bad, etc.
The jump in quality for your channel with these Aztec videos is insane
Congrats on 400k u genuinely deserve it and much more
good luck my peachy goat
I know I'm late but I just wanted to say that i love your history documentaries. They show events and actors in the context of their circumstances and societies and not as isolated events. I think that the inclusion of this wider context provides a far more understandable picture about historical events than the popular narrative ever could provide. I just wanted to say thank you for putting that much effort in your videos and for feeding my unhealthy history obsession. You are a great storyteller and it's always the highlight of my day when you upload a new video.❤
to me, it sounded like he was just displaying his power, his wealth, and his confidences as a ruler, especially if he thought they where going to pay for his protection, a sales person doesn't just tell you about their product, they show you, they flaunt it until you want it, if they where guests, and he thought they came to talk about joining his empire, why wouldn't he show off to seal the deal and show what they could be a part of?
That last sentence is something I left out, and I’m thrilled to see you reached the conclusion on your own!
The fact is, Tenochtitlan would often keep royal cupbearers and such from rivals, under the assumption they would return home with tales of Aztec wealth/generosity. Perhaps I should’ve included that fact, that being said, I do take pride in letting the viewer think, rather than telling them what to think. This is convenient, because then I don’t need to try so hard!
In all seriousness, that is something I try to do, and I’m very impressed you figured that out on your own. There’s a lot of merit to the idea
@@DJPeachCobbler you do a great job of giving the facts to reach these conclusions! even through all the satire its always really easy to pick up the ideas your trying to lay out and to figure out these conclusions, you honestly do a better job of teaching me the ideas of history, and their politics then school ever did for me, and in a way that gets me thinking, and I'm sure many are the same way! thank you for all you do, and honestly your sudden replay made my night! :D Thank you!
I've got to say I really enjoyed this video. I delayed watching it as I am currently trying to finish university but decided to treat myself to this and I really did not regret it. It was great and it was nice how it reminded me that I actually learned about de las casas in school, not thinking too much of it but that made your video somewhat more personal. I like the way you tackled the whole topic and the (mis-)understandings about this cultural exchange that happend. I absolutly appreciate the work that you are putting into your videos, thanks man, keep up the great work!
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@@depo5626oops I eated it
The rich, gay, Jewish, communist elite stole it
Bro I can't get this video out of my head, the thought of an enemy lying about you to justify their own wrong actions and being remember for alot of history by the vast majority as a bumbling fool, I just can't cope
Honest, raw and thoughtful insight/analysis. You've also kept me not only engaged and attentive but also amused. Bravo!👏🏽
The courage the cowardly dog computer voice is 10/10 and I hope you get thrown into another fascinating schizophrenic rabbit hole in the near future.
I hate people not mentioning your level of production quality and the acting involved, its awesome, great job, im proud of how far you've come!
27:14 bro came over for tacos and assumed he now owned the entire house lmao
Love the way the channel is going, keep it up, you make me think about things from a unique perspective.
I want to add that the practice of guest rights was practiced by every Abrahamic religion.
So they would know what obligations that entailed and how hot the fires of hell were for those who broke it. It is more important in Muslim and Jewish traditions but still unmistakably present in Christianity. So killing a host or a host killing their guests is one of the most horrid acts someone can commit as it violates a foundational part of cultural expectations. In fact I’m may be even older than Judaism considering it’s rules and customs associated with it are taken as given, and it is only reinforced that one should take ANY and ALL guests and treat them well.
As it is obvious the social contract forbids the practice of guests killing their hosts.
I'm glad you have started to cite your sources. In this space that is very important if you want to be taken seriously.
I don't understand how a narrative built on Pie People and edgy humor can be so captivating. Bravo as always
This is truly the best historical coverage I have ever experienced. I hate history. It is the worst class known to man, and I scream with rage whenever anyone says that history is important because I disagree with the idea that centuries of ideology and propaganda are "useful" to understanding the present. Not only are you constantly aware of bias, you actively uncover why things are biased the way they are to understand the actual power relations involved. You are slowly making me care about the past and its ramifications for the future. Thank you, I cant wait for more.
Ironically, your hatred of history, like many others of this day and age, can be understood to be a product of history that is completely presictable if you studied history to help you understand why things are the way they are today.
Glad to see this so soon. Every time I learned this in American Schools they never went over *what* happened only that Corteaz was the most brutal of the Conquistadors. It might have simply been the conscious of my teachers to not say something so stupid or the Rural American Schools being lazy.
I just left a comment on the last video i watched predicting that youre a centrist, and then you outright say it in the ad in this video lol. I gotta say im glad i found this channel. Its inspiring because ive been toying with the idea of making videos and i wanted the vibes to be exactly what your channel is.
I was recently at the anthropology museum in Mexico City and the feather work is absolutely fascinating even for todays standards. I have never seen such an opulent head dress as the one moctezuma wore.
adding the computer for you to bounce off of has been one of if not your best decision yet, wonderful refresh of your content
Hey man I'm about to watch the video. In my current study I have pretty much no history learning whatsoever. I wanna thank you for making these entertaining videos, this way I can still get a little bit of historical principles and knowledge here and there.
TBH Montezuma's welcome sounds more like "Behold my SWOL FIGURE and FABULOUS WEALTH"
Genuinely thank you so much for making all these videos
"is the source of my suicidal ideations"
... Is Dj trying to imply that he wants to get isekai'd into a universe where thanksgiving is a smoked brisket?
Seriously beautiful as always. I cant express how much your ending points always hit home. I always find myself in this, part 1, and "when America almost had a ceasar" re-watching the endings because it puts into words those feeling I've always had about history/politics/the world so succinctly. "The system needed monsters to work. So they paid men handsomly to be monsters.", fuck yeah dude.
Rewatching this at the beginning of pride month really threw me through a fucking loop.
Holy shit.
The quality of this work does nothing but go up.
The intro hits different now that its june
DJ Peach Cobbler: The Best UA-camr who gives me a headache
Your videos keep getting better! I really liked this one, I don't know much about ancient Mesoamerican culture but learning about Aztec empires is really interesting! How little we know about it kind of reminds me of Norse mythology, and how we don't know much about it ebcause it was all framed by the catholics who wrote it all down.
Nothing better than a cobbler video on a Friday arvo. Thanks for the content brother you have gotten me through some rough times and I’m glad the UA-cam environment has the input of someone like yourself. Fantastic video as always
Rest in Peace old Title, I’ll miss ya
What was it? I forgor
You have such a great way with words Cobbler. You know when to be funny and when to stop the jokes and be dead serious. I have learned a lot from your rants and it has given me a want for knowledge about the topics you talk about. Each one of your videos concerning the new world is fantastic and I can only wait with anticipation your third video on this series.
Thanks for your excellent work and dedication to the teaching of history, a think in need in our times.
-Your personal demons.
24:00 Exactly, do you think we'd be complaining about constant war if it was just something only rich people died doing? Plus then they can say that they actually EARNED their priveledge if they spend 60 years wailing on each other.
Crazy how you have given so much character to these litlle cobblers, id die for these pies
11:30 The idea that native mortality due to infectious diseases wasn't due to colonizer intervention is being re-evaluated nowadays. We are beginning to understand that those two processes were intertwined: indeed, if you have a population forced to do exhausting physical work, and whose food security is uncertain due to the collapse of the empire that ruled them, it's reasonable to think that this population is going to be much more vulnerable to diseases.
And many native peoples did know how to isolate themselves in case of a plague, but the concentration of the population by the Spaniards, and subsequent overcrowding, made it impossible for them to do so.
See for example Edwards, T.S. & P. Kelton. 2020; Herzog, R. 2020; Cook, N.D. 2010.
Really love the use of Händel's Sarabande, the piano version, for that transition. Not sure why, but it hit hard, great work
DJPeachyCobbly dropping another banger of a video that captives my interest.
You started these history videos right around the time I completed Pentiment and have been fueling that fire for a while.
The issue with this is that it is not five hours long.
Bro you deserve so much more love and praise for this video and all your others. Astonishing 🔥🔥🔥
This video series has made me realize that history needs to be looked at with the same level of scrutiny that I use when looking at the narrative put in front of me in modern day. Who'd've thought it would take a musically inclined peach dessert schizo-posting on UA-cam for me to learn that.
You make all of us who wasted our time learning history in college proud. Keep going. For all of us.
If you're bisexual, simply watch the video with one eye closed.
I absolutely love your style of covering history. Please continue making videos of the colonization of North, Central, and south America.
Oh shit, new pie just dropped
The presentation is so friggin smooth my guy good video
Is this what being gay feels like?
Yes
Maybe?
I cannot overstate how much I love you and your channel. The balance of well researched chaos has never been so eloquently presented on such a consistent basis. Glad to be one of the few who knew you when you had 1.8k subs. You haven't aged a day 😏
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truly amazing mr cobbler. thank you for your work.
Oh HELL yeah
I’m so glad you’re
1. Continuing this series
2. Finally reaching out to the Gay part of your audience 🥰🥰🥰. We are deeply underrepresented in the Cobbler House of Reps.
I wish I knew you irl so I could bully you.
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Me too~
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You are truly an artist my g. Keep at it please. Love you.
0:02 luckily I'm a peache cobbler sub😂😂
I truly appreciate the effort and time you put into your videos. There are youtubersI like that post every couple of days, but when you upload, I know it's going to be something worth watching.
I never really gave a shit about history and I still dont but this is cool I guess. Pretty gay though
I really like your every historical series. Real quality content
Quick, get the chalk