It's not branded , that's the problem , same reason why they can freely add cars copied from real life cars , so ye they're allowed to do that as long as they don't use his brand , they'll always do that and getaway with it
No, it's still illegal because it's not just the name and logo that's copyrighted,also the design,car companies and bodykit companies not only have the rights to the names and logo's but also the design
I don't think CarX contacts any of the body kit companies, there's street hunter kits, rocket bunny, and even liberty walk. This is like pink Mercedes all over again.
@@zwenkwiel816i mean this case is different on a personal level. LBWK, Streethunter, and all the automotive manufacturers have models of their cars on different games. So not only are they established companies, people can use the video game assets (if not rip them off entirely) as reference. What makes this case more personal is that carx used a design from an individual that made the model / kit for personal use or art. It's also different from someone like kyzyl saleem, since KS cars exist on NFS
at least they should always do GTA things to their cars GTA really don't replicate 1:1 their model they are either too big or small in size and have some additional parts to make it look different enough. Seems carx devs are too lazy doing that right now.
@@BEAST.420GYou don’t need to own the car or have the rights to it to make an imaginary bodykit goofy, why would he need permission from Ferrari if the kit he’s making is only virtual, your logic makes no sense and you sound stupid
@@BEAST.420GYou don’t need to own the car or have the rights to it to make an imaginary bodykit goofy, why would he need permission from Ferrari if the kit he’s making is only virtual, your logic makes no sense and you sound dumb 💀
This kind of stuff on top of them dropping all of their mobiles games on Switch tells me they are too far gone to understand that they are killing their chances at making a AAA type game and want to keep pushing out shovelware for everything including a toaster.
It would be so cool to get on good terms with Cyro since he could provide more bodykits, LITERALLY EVERYONE WOULD BENEFIT: CarX for basically free bodykits, Cyro for recognition, and US the players getting more customization. Win win situation
The models ins carx are not 1/1 replicas of real cars, so there's a lot more work involved into making something work with their car models, aka more work, and all that labor doesn't pay itself with recognition lol
They were gonna try shaft him, When he replied saying only the F40 bodykit is included in said contract, they ceased contact to look for another avenue to try continuing using his assets.
i feel like this is more of a “Sorry we got caught” situation more then CarX actually regretting plagiarising Cyros work because if Cyro never contacted them then CarX would of done nothing
Why would they contact a random dude they took some inspiration from it wasn't even a full copy everyone is just braindead no one even look at the mirrors? Or is that not considered part of the body kit you fools😂 nothing this bloke can do he could take them to court and nothing will come of it
Maybe it's a blatant rip-off, but the design isn't under any license, the in-game model after closer inspection is not the Cyro's original model (so they didn't steal the assets) and by this logic, CarX basically stole the entire car list from various car manufacturers, so are we fucking everyone equally or not? I mean, he should have seen it coming, because people rip each other like if their lives depended on it!
Yeah I remember that drama, the owner is actually ok with the bodykit being in the game, what he didn't like is the dev isn't even asked his permission to add it to their game
this is totally legal. they wont get in trouble for this. EVERY car that is based off of a real life car is made the exact same way. they dont have permission for use of the cars, what makes you think these bodykit creators have enough money to do something about this when Toyota cant even touch them?
I was also going to say this. Especially since many aspects were altered and none of the original assets are used. He's lucky Car-X was scared enough to even entertain him. If he thought it was theft, he should've filed suit. If not, stop crying about it. Maybe put a watermark over it, next time. Or just understand the world we live in and don't publish to internet art galleries without getting paid for it. Smh.
Great use of the channel and your outreach you've accumulated over the years. Props for digging in on this one. The creator of the kit seemed like a real chill humble guy👍
If people are really bothered about credits or licensing, then why are you guys not angry about CarX "stealing" the LBWK kit and many other big name bodykit, or further, putting cars in the game without contacting and receiving permission from its manufacturer, the double standard here is real.
yeah ngl i kinda agree. like at what point do you draw the line where the maker of a kit is "big enough" that we're collectively okay with it being copied without permission? we all want to see basically real cars and kits in our games, and we would probably get mad if a manufacturer sued someone because of having an unlicensed copy of it. ideally yes they would give him credit, especially now knowing that he's fine with it being in the game as long as he is credited and isn't asking for some exorbitant amount of money, but i don't totally blame carx for just following the same procedure they would for any larger company.
@@JeanTVxno I don't think everybody's that butt hurt about an arcade game. I think someone said before don't add Ferrari cuz of s*** like this and this is what exactly happened. Free publicity gone. It's a video game dude if your body gets so good you're going to get way more money from that then some drifting game...
the body kits are all ingame with enough changes and shape changes to panels that its more than legally defined as inspiration which isn't illegal nor needs communication anywhere
Carx doesnt need to ask the creator, nor is it stealling the mod , because the mod was nvr copyrighted , if it was copyrighted i would see the issue but there is none
i hope CarX adds the ability in future games to allow us to sculpt bodykits ourselves, similar to how older NFS games like Pro Street, Carbon, etc. This could allow us so much more variety to in game kits and allow us to make them even more unique, than just mixing parts from different bodykits.
As a 3D artist, this situation deeply saddens me. I invest considerable time working for free to build contacts, develop my portfolio, and establish a reputation within the industry. Despite being early in my career, I’ve already noticed that many people are reluctant to pay fair value for work, often unaware of the effort involved. It’s demotivating to see that even when I produce high-quality work comparable to artists like Cyro, larger studios engage in practices like stealing.
Hate to say it since I know how it feels to make art and that joy you get from sharing it. However artists have to keep a majority of their art pieces under wraps, especially with stolen art the advent AI art sites, and of course the finance/legal bros who like gutting creatives. So, now we are force to use watermarks, cropped images, and limited snippets of each piece.
I suggest that Cyro get a lawyer to read over the contract before signing ANYTHING as they could have hidden ways to rip him off. Keeping in mind I have no true knowledge of the law, just what I can put together from what I see and hear, however, this is probably the best thing for him to do.
I mean almost every single car in the game is literally 1 to 1 cars that they are not licensed to be in the game... They're just debadged. Are we really surprised they stole bodykits. I've seen plenty of bodykits already without licensing. This is one is no different even if it's from just one guy. Doesnt matter if they made the model from scratch or not. They do not own it.
I don't know, working with people and ask permission is not that hard, than stealing art and then having reputation Impacts... But they choose the wrong way, greed is always costs more than kind
I’m not saying CarX shouldn’t have mimicked his model… but legally they’re allowed to do whatever they want, as long as their is a 30% difference, which there is more than a 30% difference.
Cyro seems like a nice individual because if I were in his position, my initial email wouldn't focus on demanding compensation but rather on initiating legal action
he won't get a cent his model does not have a patent, he does not have a logo or any brand for anyone to do anything the model in karyks is made in the image of its body kit, but no more Why then don’t car manufacturers sue carx, GTA and other companies? xdd
@@Manan_K It's not even drama, It's one kid mad about something that he's guilty of himself, he said he took the tail lights from a mustang.. then obviously Goosiest will jump on any CarX hate because he's an odd person.. the game literally made him now he's better than it apparently.
"Stealing" would be taking that EXACT model from artstation and putting it in the game, but that's not what they did. They COPIED it, and created this copy themselves. Same as literally everything else in the game.
I just wanted to say, I find it so damn hypocritical of this Designer to call out CarX all whilst having ‘LB Performance’ on his renders of his F40 kit. Make it make sense
I thought this was already well known. They've been using stolen assets since day one. If you're all suddenly clutching your pearls now you should see where the original car models came from.
It's not ripping, he also said as Striped taillights from Mustang 65 so he's also ripper ? LOL they made their own model, not just took his model and added into the game. It's not ripping (you can say copy as well, LOL the dude made model 7years ago he also copied from someone)
Knowing some internals of software development in Russia I could say that probably product owner (project manager) didn't know that they used some pictures from the internet, rather than designer decided to play a low ball and copy it but didn't tell anyone lol :))))
@goosiest, stop hating on a game, there is a game called "tuning club" who steals assets from CarX... Its a dog eat dog world out there... Stop crying and start drifting, as a normal dude, not with your head in the sky high 🍀
it is actually legal to make something based off something, most obvious, glaring, example the Racing Point RP20, also, that's how emulators get reverse engineered, that why there's so many minecraft ripoffs etc, it's sad but perfectly legal
oof creating that contract is a legal mine field. I doubt he asked ferrari for permission, meaning he probably doesn't have permission to profit from the work. There'd probably have to get approval from ferrari first, then pay for work done.... but ferrari is notorious for not being an easy company to deal with
sounds like nitpicking to me. There are only so many body kits to chose from and they did change enough where is wasnt a direct copy more inspired by. plus this project was 7 years old. you guys are trying to shut down a great game with youtube slander. shame shame goosiest. just enjoy the game
I don't think it is nitpicking, Cyro was the first person that reached out publicly about this issue, who knows maybe other artists reached out in the past and didn't hear anything back from carx
It's interesting that people don't mind CarX clearly not licensing the cars they use in their games but, those same people expect CarX to not use someone else's body kit designs.
That's crazy. As a 2d & 3d artist, I can see the frustration. I can also see the reason why Cyro decided not to take it out of the game, but even still, I would've straight up sued them. It is never nice to see something you spent hours visualising and creating put in a medium so carelessly without permission. And the fact that they likely could've stolen more is just... makes me wanna quit the game honestly.
if it's not directly his model they got from him, not under a licence or a registered brand of any sort but just based on his render shot, legally speaking Cyro doesn't own anything copied by car x, although yes that suck, if it was an availlable model under a licence it would be a totally different issue
@@SebCroteau I hate the fact that this is true... Then this makes the whole CarX Series an incredibly scummy setup. What with the fact that they never listen to fans, have a whole list of negatively reviewed DLCs, updates take ages... I'm not gonna say more, I'm just gonna quit.
And what exactly is crazy about this? It's the same with the cars themselves, CarX doesn't have license for the cars (for the brand) but they can still put them in the game without the correct names and badges and everybody is okay with that, but when it comes to bodykits (and pretty much anything from small time creators), everybody is yelling HEY THATS STEALING YOU SCUMBAGS. Make up your mind and don't be hypocrites. Same rules & laws apply to everybody. And just to clarify, I do 2d & 3d art as a hobby too, even made few car bodykits. It's just they way it is. Sure, they could have took just inspiration and made their kit based on this one, but they chose not to and it is perfectly legal... EDIT: If they downloaded his 3D model and used that, then sure, that would be stealing, but they recreated it themselves. They still had to do the work.
@@krupy100 I get what you're saying, everything they do aligns with the laws, particularly copyright laws, put in place. But they do it in the scummiest way. Yeah, they may steal for example the Nissan GTR. But that brand and make is already popular enough for us to know what it is and where it is from, so if they slap a different name and brand on it, people, like me, would be less likely to complain. But, and I hate to say it, these body kit artists aren't popular enough to the point that everyone can immediately recognise where it's from. That's mostly why I dislike this. And with the fact that they could have copied more, I wouldn't want to play a game that I first thought most of, if not, some of the ideas were thought up by that company themselves just to find out later that it was someone else's idea and that they didn't get any form of consent or recognition.
It's not the same model of the car. It differs. They still basically stole the idea, but they didn't steal the original model. They can still say they were "inspired" and no one couldn't do anything about it. And I mean... if we're gonna be petty here, then EVERY indie racing game basically steals car designs! I mean... how many people basically sell unlicensed models or real cars really? I mean if you just post something like this on the internet, then don't be surprised when someone rips it off!
@@TimeMasterOG I kinda disagree here - even though some GTA V cars aren't even trying to look differently, most of the other cars and all of the original cars in the story mode aren't just copies. Yes, they share some similarities with real cars and brands, but they're still distinctive enough to be taken as a more of an immitation or parody than a blatant copy of the real thing.
so its news when they “steal” this guys body kit. MY BROTHER IN CHRIST ALL THE BODY KITS ARE RIPPED. origin labo, rocket bunny, liberty walk, dmax, uras, other artist renderings. all of the cars wheels and body kits are technically all ripped. just bc this guys making a fuss about it bc he wants his name put in the game. i dont play carx anymore and i think the game is going downhill but this is kinda dumb
The thing is: Bigger companies doesn't have the time to go after a game like CarX, so they don't even know that their kits ar being used. And even if they know, they just don't have time for that matter. But stealing from an independent artist, is something else. It's foul play, and I have the right to do "a fuzz" about it.
@@cyromigueldesigner7475 What have you lost from the fact that your body kit tuning is used in the game? you should be proud that anyone even knows about him you won't achieve anything in court because you have neither a patent nor a brand it's just an image on the internet lmao
@@riziere_ If it was YOU who spent months on that project, you would understand my case. But I guess people like you don't know how it is to dedicate your time and effort to something, just to see it being used without your consent.
I TOTALY AGREE WITH THE ARTIST, because i'm an artist too, even if i have to admit i would be proud somebody taking my projects to include in a game even for FREE, the MINIMUM I WISH IN RETURN, is the devs asking for permission and thanking me for allowing them use it.
Hi Goose - think about ripping (stealing) off the whole design of a car, rename it, cut off the badges, do it again and again. and that's how lots of game companies get away with this. so why should carx pay respect or money to bodykit builders? are they really paying for any license to show us real-fake cars?
"They thought we were small enough creators for nobody to notice". Meanwhile CarX running literally stolen car designs and bodykits since inception. Or did anyone find RTR and Rocket Bunny in the credits?
If Ferrari themselves see these Ferrari-like models in the game, won’t they actually sue the devs? As far as I know, Ferrari is one of the most strict companies when it comes to copyright laws. Even with the F40 in the game having a different name or no license, there still might be a chance considering there was a case years back when the Pixel car racing devs had to take off their porsche models (despite having no name and no license) because of some legal action from porsche.
It an Intimidation tactic that these car companies do when it come to these type of copyright law. They are betting on you not challenging their BS claims because they know how resource heavy it is to fight this in court. So it understandable why the dev on Pixel car racing comply. Whereas them trying this against Rockstar and completely losing all there bogus claims due to rockstar having endless resources.
I just do not agree here. CarX did not steal a model or anything, its more of an inspiration imo. They took a lot of stuff, but mixed it with their own touches... like the side mirrors, the side light on the fender, there is no 'nostril' on the carx version, headlights are different, diffuser slightly different, carx hood has a kind of air intake or something which is not in Cyro's. This is legit stupid.....I didnt expect a video like this
"In my case, I took them from a 65 Mustang" Ahh ok so He's allowed to take someone else's ideas but CarX isn't? Whether I agree with what CarX has done or hasn't done is irrelevant. You can't steal someone else's ideas and then cry when it happens to you. To anyone who says it's just tail lights, either it's all ok or none of it is. I guess it's just a popular thing to hate on CarX atm? Then those people talking shit on it will go play it..
Well no, it's the creators creative property. It's like making a song with remixed vocal samples and someone is then taking your song and putting it in their game as a soundtrack. Copyright is not that simple, the song is still a newly made creation. So is the wide body kit. There is a difference between "sampling" and stealing. :)
To be honest, as soon as they used a different hood and headlights its a whole different body kit. And you don't have a patent or license locking your kit to you I'm assuming so it's up for anybody to recreate. Yes it was in bad nature to use 99% of the kit without giving any credit whatsoever but I mean they made their own body kit when they changed it up just took inspiration from your kit. Games know what they're doing this wouldn't of held up in court and they were extremely nice to him in his response. It's like if I went to auto zone and got a hood scoop and put it on my Mazda miata I can't force nobody else not to use the same hood scoop from auto zone for their miata 😂
So? They rip manufacturers cars and bodykit manufacturers and change just enough for copyright freedom. Everyone is fine Same thing happens with a 3d design. Everyone loses their mind 🙄
É bom achar brasileiros mas é surpreendente o quanto a gente se ferra kkkkkk... O artista ae Cyro Miguel é brasileiro pra quem ainda ta em duvida. Força ae mano trabalho foda!!!
Unsubscribed. I expect better content from you. "Stolen" can be said for every rocket bunny 3d models in artstation. Stop spreading fake news, no one is in BIG trouble.
i was thinking on contacting carx to offer them myself as a bodykit designer since i have about 5 years of experience in designing cars and stuff. And i think they need someone still for do that instead of stealing innocent people's bodykits w/o asking them or even just contacting them
After watching the whole video. I really respect the creator of the kits and all his explanation make sense that even IF he sues CarX he would definitely won. Though I really wish someone who got their bodykit stolen would just SUEs CarX
This possible I guess most racing/driving game out there don't have any license adding bodykits such as LBWK, Pandem...ect can be sued by the people behind the bodykits
Goose , you are the one who never scared to uncover anything on any game , even to blame them . Our huge respects to you and wish you more strength to uncover more !
This is cringe and BS. CarX did nothing that "IS NOT LEGAL!", one of their artists just used Cyro's work as reference and/or blueprint. (work that wasn't copyrighted or anything as far as i'm aware). And it's not even a 1:1 copy, there is a lot of differences. it's a bit sad for Cyro that CarX did not acknowledge his work, but thats it, there is nothing more to it. They did not "Steal game assets", the original work isn't even game assets in the first place, and they didn't stole anything.
This hapends also with some servers in FiveM like BlackOut RP in italy where they take other people mods and make people pay hundreds of euros just for putting it into the server without any authorization from the author and avoiding the policy of CFX reguarding real life models forbidden in FiveM.
i just started the video and i dont really think them having a very similar/almost identical bodykit to someone else is a problem, they copy the cars and dont pay for it, they probably didnt pay for any of the wheels and there is probably other bodykits that look like ones made from other people/brands and all the time no one had a problem with it
man its such a shame, carx was my favorite drift game when i used to play on mobile, seeing them do something like this and how the carx team been doing this past few years is just disappointing
This isn’t plagiarism or wrong in my opinion because they didn’t download his car. They copied their own way heavily inspired with slight changes props to the guy who designed it and the original creator obviously 🙄
I feel like this is a yes or no topic. We all know CarX doesn’t do branding or licensing and yes that is ‘stealing’ in some way. But on the other hand that’s what allows them to put so many cars and customizations in the game and if they would do licensing we wouldn’t have even half of what we do now so it’s a give and take.. you give them the right to use the cars and customizations in order so we can have them in the game because otherwise we wouldn’t..
CarX and many games including Grand Theft Auto copy cars that they don't own rights or bought the license to, they change the names and don't use logos and stuff yet people never seem to complain about that. When CarX copies a body kit and its not even a 100% copy people get up in arms though CarX even before the Ferrari already had body kits implemented from Liberty Walk, Rocket Bunny, etc. This is nothing new. If one person wants their designs to have even a little bit of protection then they need to file for copyright/patent paperwork.
its not the same tho , little tweaks make it not the same, carx is bolt on and cyro is molded , honestly it doesnt look the same at all he just looking for a check
The F40 Bodykit is an Artpiece. The creator Cyro did not sell or monetize this artpiece afaik. He is allowed to use the F40 as a base and even the rear lights of the Mustang under fair use, as long as he doesn't make profit with that artpiece. When a company like the CarX developers then use this artpiece in their game, which does cost money for the cosumer to buy, thats where the problem lies. They profited of that artpiece what they copied. That is at minimum shady, but a copyright infringement at best.
So, from what I'm gathering, since the original model isn't shared, that someone at CarX used the models images to recreate a like 95% accurate copy of the bodykit with some VERY minor changes, without contacting the original models creator.. I'm just curious if the original model creator has it licensable, if so they could REALLY rake CarX over the coals, I mean they already can cause it's someones intelectual property, but if it's something that's taged with something like [Licensable] that just slaps a whole lot of other legal stuff onto it that the original author could bring down on CarX.
Artists who upload their work to ArtStation typically retain the copyright to their creations. This means that you generally cannot use or reproduce their images without permission.
@@Goosiest Ah okay, I never use ArtStation or look at it. Glad they protect their community of artists though. And with that being said, CarX would be smart to remove the car from their game. OR at least that bodykit and make one of their own.
@@shushyshushy6762 As I said, the last thing I want is for them to remove the kit. It would be a shame for everyone that is racing around with the kit right now.
@@cyromigueldesigner7475 As long as you're alright with your work being in the game, and as long as both parties comes to an agreement then all is good. What is interesting and worrying is, how many more kits are stolen pieces of work from others, you already uncovered 1 other stolen kit. Hopefully the other creator and CarX can come to a similar agreement as yours, but now I really question a lot of the other kits of the MANY other cars in the game, and I probably won't be returning to CarX ever again.
Question of the day: *What the F is happening to CarX lately?*
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CarX Update 2.69 - We removed 100 cars and 300 kits from the game 💀😩😅
spot on, smokey
(thanks for the copy of CarX btw man, I really like the game)
Just like Roblox
Way to predict it, Oracle Smokey Wolf lol. They've taken out the car officially 👍 thanks Goose....
@@leskater20 For real? The car or just the bodykit?
CarX really went from one of the best drift games to rock bottom in a couple years 😭
ong tho
Fax
I wouldn’t go that far. The game is still goated and I still absolutely love the game
it never was the best (in my opinion)
@@Goosiest i agree
It's not branded , that's the problem , same reason why they can freely add cars copied from real life cars , so ye they're allowed to do that as long as they don't use his brand , they'll always do that and getaway with it
Exactly what i was gonna say for example its not like they have the rights for the rx7 veilside bodykit but they have it in the game.
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its the same shit with gta nowadays
No, it's still illegal because it's not just the name and logo that's copyrighted,also the design,car companies and bodykit companies not only have the rights to the names and logo's but also the design
But were not talking about the brand tho it's about the bodykit
I don't think CarX contacts any of the body kit companies, there's street hunter kits, rocket bunny, and even liberty walk. This is like pink Mercedes all over again.
isn't that the whole point of the game though? like they obviously copied the Ferrari design as well, they just don't call it a Ferrari in game....
As long as a car isn't named what it looks like nothing they can do doesn't violate licensing and body kits don't have the same
@@zwenkwiel816i mean this case is different on a personal level. LBWK, Streethunter, and all the automotive manufacturers have models of their cars on different games. So not only are they established companies, people can use the video game assets (if not rip them off entirely) as reference.
What makes this case more personal is that carx used a design from an individual that made the model / kit for personal use or art. It's also different from someone like kyzyl saleem, since KS cars exist on NFS
they literally use forza assets, idk why goose never mentioned that lol
at least they should always do GTA things to their cars
GTA really don't replicate 1:1 their model
they are either too big or small in size and have some additional parts to make it look different enough.
Seems carx devs are too lazy doing that right now.
Bruh CarX really tryna steal from a guy who realsed something 7 years before💀
Bruh, guy claims its his when he didnt even get permission from Ferrari who released it years before that 💀
@@BEAST.420GYou don’t need to own the car or have the rights to it to make an imaginary bodykit goofy, why would he need permission from Ferrari if the kit he’s making is only virtual, your logic makes no sense and you sound stupid
@@BEAST.420GYou don’t need to own the car or have the rights to it to make an imaginary bodykit goofy, why would he need permission from Ferrari if the kit he’s making is only virtual, your logic makes no sense and you sound dumb 💀
@@BEAST.420GReleased what? The bodykit is not from Ferrari.
@@BEAST.420G LMAO what? Bro what kind of drugs are you on? Please share.
This kind of stuff on top of them dropping all of their mobiles games on Switch tells me they are too far gone to understand that they are killing their chances at making a AAA type game and want to keep pushing out shovelware for everything including a toaster.
CarX was always a shovelware tbh
I think we all already kinda knew the CarX developers were shady when they promised things for years and never followed up to chase money instead.
I think they just searching for new bodykits from other creators for new cars, and just to replicate them takes this long for them. 😂
@@dicelt7619they too lazy to
Carx really went you either die a hero or live long enough to become a villain… or maybe they were villains all along
No.
It would be so cool to get on good terms with Cyro since he could provide more bodykits, LITERALLY EVERYONE WOULD BENEFIT: CarX for basically free bodykits, Cyro for recognition, and US the players getting more customization. Win win situation
Recognition doesn’t pay rent
@@ConnorMackenzie-p8m Then pay Cyro for some bodykits and everyone is happy.
@@ConnorMackenzie-p8mIt does when you’re a producer and not a consumer.
@@ConnorMackenzie-p8mcan with "donations", no donations no bodykits, time n effort = money
The models ins carx are not 1/1 replicas of real cars, so there's a lot more work involved into making something work with their car models, aka more work, and all that labor doesn't pay itself with recognition lol
They were gonna try shaft him, When he replied saying only the F40 bodykit is included in said contract, they ceased contact to look for another avenue to try continuing using his assets.
i feel like this is more of a “Sorry we got caught” situation more then CarX actually regretting plagiarising Cyros work because if Cyro never contacted them then CarX would of done nothing
Why would they contact a random dude they took some inspiration from it wasn't even a full copy everyone is just braindead no one even look at the mirrors? Or is that not considered part of the body kit you fools😂 nothing this bloke can do he could take them to court and nothing will come of it
Maybe it's a blatant rip-off, but the design isn't under any license, the in-game model after closer inspection is not the Cyro's original model (so they didn't steal the assets) and by this logic, CarX basically stole the entire car list from various car manufacturers, so are we fucking everyone equally or not?
I mean, he should have seen it coming, because people rip each other like if their lives depended on it!
@@MountyFt4the guy just wants recognition , this happens in every game with mods
They also did this with the slantnose 350z kit, as well as another one of the z kits that are inspired by someones build, this isnt new
If you have info with details, do let me know on email or discord
Yeah I remember that drama, the owner is actually ok with the bodykit being in the game, what he didn't like is the dev isn't even asked his permission to add it to their game
It’s not trademarked or branded tho right? All of these kits are not patented
@@GB2G nope, but keep in mind carx has slightly altered repicas of tons of kits in-game, but it's not 1:1
@@V.S.D.D.Considering there are obvious notable changes realty they are in the legal green
this is totally legal. they wont get in trouble for this. EVERY car that is based off of a real life car is made the exact same way. they dont have permission for use of the cars, what makes you think these bodykit creators have enough money to do something about this when Toyota cant even touch them?
I was also going to say this. Especially since many aspects were altered and none of the original assets are used. He's lucky Car-X was scared enough to even entertain him. If he thought it was theft, he should've filed suit. If not, stop crying about it. Maybe put a watermark over it, next time. Or just understand the world we live in and don't publish to internet art galleries without getting paid for it. Smh.
Great use of the channel and your outreach you've accumulated over the years. Props for digging in on this one. The creator of the kit seemed like a real chill humble guy👍
Much appreciated!
If people are really bothered about credits or licensing, then why are you guys not angry about CarX "stealing" the LBWK kit and many other big name bodykit, or further, putting cars in the game without contacting and receiving permission from its manufacturer, the double standard here is real.
They never reached out, I'm sure they don't even know that their stuff is in the game
yeah ngl i kinda agree. like at what point do you draw the line where the maker of a kit is "big enough" that we're collectively okay with it being copied without permission? we all want to see basically real cars and kits in our games, and we would probably get mad if a manufacturer sued someone because of having an unlicensed copy of it. ideally yes they would give him credit, especially now knowing that he's fine with it being in the game as long as he is credited and isn't asking for some exorbitant amount of money, but i don't totally blame carx for just following the same procedure they would for any larger company.
@@JeanTVxno I don't think everybody's that butt hurt about an arcade game. I think someone said before don't add Ferrari cuz of s*** like this and this is what exactly happened. Free publicity gone. It's a video game dude if your body gets so good you're going to get way more money from that then some drifting game...
the body kits are all ingame with enough changes and shape changes to panels that its more than legally defined as inspiration which isn't illegal nor needs communication anywhere
Carx doesnt need to ask the creator, nor is it stealling the mod , because the mod was nvr copyrighted , if it was copyrighted i would see the issue but there is none
Carx 2.21 is now out but Geometry Dash 2.21 isn't 💀
Bru
This is kinda like saying indie dev team vs a dev team with many many people
It came out in December last year
That was the 2.2 update, not 2.21@@Cripto_reset
yea but no one is playing gd man
i hope CarX adds the ability in future games to allow us to sculpt bodykits ourselves, similar to how older NFS games like Pro Street, Carbon, etc. This could allow us so much more variety to in game kits and allow us to make them even more unique, than just mixing parts from different bodykits.
As a 3D artist, this situation deeply saddens me. I invest considerable time working for free to build contacts, develop my portfolio, and establish a reputation within the industry. Despite being early in my career, I’ve already noticed that many people are reluctant to pay fair value for work, often unaware of the effort involved. It’s demotivating to see that even when I produce high-quality work comparable to artists like Cyro, larger studios engage in practices like stealing.
Like how Cyro used a vehicle he wasn’t given permission to use? Something tells me Ferrari could own him and whatever he owns with a quick suit…
@@deaf2819 It does not have Ferrari branding there's nothing Ferrari can do.
Hate to say it since I know how it feels to make art and that joy you get from sharing it. However artists have to keep a majority of their art pieces under wraps, especially with stolen art the advent AI art sites, and of course the finance/legal bros who like gutting creatives. So, now we are force to use watermarks, cropped images, and limited snippets of each piece.
I suggest that Cyro get a lawyer to read over the contract before signing ANYTHING as they could have hidden ways to rip him off. Keeping in mind I have no true knowledge of the law, just what I can put together from what I see and hear, however, this is probably the best thing for him to do.
Great art, Cyro Miguel.
Pelo sotaque desconfiei que era brasileiro, mandou bem no inglês.
I mean almost every single car in the game is literally 1 to 1 cars that they are not licensed to be in the game... They're just debadged. Are we really surprised they stole bodykits.
I've seen plenty of bodykits already without licensing. This is one is no different even if it's from just one guy.
Doesnt matter if they made the model from scratch or not. They do not own it.
Your comment is the only one that is reasonable, thank u!
I don't know, working with people and ask permission is not that hard, than stealing art and then having reputation Impacts... But they choose the wrong way, greed is always costs more than kind
i actually give up on expecting an actual update from the updates
I’m not saying CarX shouldn’t have mimicked his model… but legally they’re allowed to do whatever they want, as long as their is a 30% difference, which there is more than a 30% difference.
CarX drift admitted to stealing cyro’s model
they literally admitted to it in the email
Cyro seems like a nice individual because if I were in his position, my initial email wouldn't focus on demanding compensation but rather on initiating legal action
So who gets the compensation for him stealing the Mustangs tail lights?
he won't get a cent
his model does not have a patent, he does not have a logo or any brand for anyone to do anything
the model in karyks is made in the image of its body kit, but no more
Why then don’t car manufacturers sue carx, GTA and other companies? xdd
@@riziere_ So all this drama is for nothing.
@@Manan_K It's not even drama, It's one kid mad about something that he's guilty of himself, he said he took the tail lights from a mustang.. then obviously Goosiest will jump on any CarX hate because he's an odd person.. the game literally made him now he's better than it apparently.
@@wilks- Got it.
"Stealing" would be taking that EXACT model from artstation and putting it in the game, but that's not what they did. They COPIED it, and created this copy themselves. Same as literally everything else in the game.
Still they dont have the rights to do it. They ripped the design of the body kit and made a bootleg version of it.
They devs need to ask permission or at least give credit
bruh they admitted to using it and essentially stealing it
"Stealing" is also referred to plagiarising / copying with minimal changes.
@@oxlh What gives them right to use every other Car in the game? You see how dumb that sounds
I just wanted to say, I find it so damn hypocritical of this Designer to call out CarX all whilst having ‘LB Performance’ on his renders of his F40 kit.
Make it make sense
I thought this was already well known. They've been using stolen assets since day one. If you're all suddenly clutching your pearls now you should see where the original car models came from.
Nothings stolen idk how you people are so dumb its like making fake designer nothing nike or gucci can do as long as certain things are different
@@MountyFt4 Bro. What.
Bro I'd be super happy if my art of a car got added to a famous car game
now i'm waiting for community project to go thru every single kit and check if it's stolen
No need to check. They're all stolen. I don't think they have designers in their team. Only modelers, whos job is to replicate existing designs.
Think the hood and lights are different in CarX because you can change those individually.
Also they took Carbonerre kit (Patron GT, slide performance kit ingame) without any contact with guy that make this bodykit
It's not ripping, he also said as Striped taillights from Mustang 65 so he's also ripper ? LOL
they made their own model, not just took his model and added into the game. It's not ripping (you can say copy as well, LOL the dude made model 7years ago he also copied from someone)
Yup, or just using Ferrari’s car, wonder if he got permission…
Knowing some internals of software development in Russia I could say that probably product owner (project manager) didn't know that they used some pictures from the internet, rather than designer decided to play a low ball and copy it but didn't tell anyone lol :))))
@goosiest, stop hating on a game, there is a game called "tuning club" who steals assets from CarX... Its a dog eat dog world out there... Stop crying and start drifting, as a normal dude, not with your head in the sky high 🍀
it is actually legal to make something based off something, most obvious, glaring, example the Racing Point RP20, also, that's how emulators get reverse engineered, that why there's so many minecraft ripoffs etc, it's sad but perfectly legal
oof creating that contract is a legal mine field. I doubt he asked ferrari for permission, meaning he probably doesn't have permission to profit from the work. There'd probably have to get approval from ferrari first, then pay for work done.... but ferrari is notorious for not being an easy company to deal with
boom. My thoughts exactly. What would Ferrari say to the cry baby with too much time on his hands? Hmm
In my opinion I would not be mad if my model got copyed in a game with a lot of players I would actually be proud they even notice it
So all of your work does not make you money
sounds like nitpicking to me. There are only so many body kits to chose from and they did change enough where is wasnt a direct copy more inspired by. plus this project was 7 years old. you guys are trying to shut down a great game with youtube slander. shame shame goosiest. just enjoy the game
Need to talk about these things. They also ignore the hacking issue, all the proof was sent to them, they're doing nothing.
I don't think it is nitpicking, Cyro was the first person that reached out publicly about this issue, who knows maybe other artists reached out in the past and didn't hear anything back from carx
It's interesting that people don't mind CarX clearly not licensing the cars they use in their games but, those same people expect CarX to not use someone else's body kit designs.
Exactly this is what has me confused
That's crazy. As a 2d & 3d artist, I can see the frustration. I can also see the reason why Cyro decided not to take it out of the game, but even still, I would've straight up sued them. It is never nice to see something you spent hours visualising and creating put in a medium so carelessly without permission. And the fact that they likely could've stolen more is just... makes me wanna quit the game honestly.
if it's not directly his model they got from him, not under a licence or a registered brand of any sort but just based on his render shot, legally speaking Cyro doesn't own anything copied by car x, although yes that suck, if it was an availlable model under a licence it would be a totally different issue
@@SebCroteau I hate the fact that this is true... Then this makes the whole CarX Series an incredibly scummy setup. What with the fact that they never listen to fans, have a whole list of negatively reviewed DLCs, updates take ages... I'm not gonna say more, I'm just gonna quit.
And what exactly is crazy about this? It's the same with the cars themselves, CarX doesn't have license for the cars (for the brand) but they can still put them in the game without the correct names and badges and everybody is okay with that, but when it comes to bodykits (and pretty much anything from small time creators), everybody is yelling HEY THATS STEALING YOU SCUMBAGS. Make up your mind and don't be hypocrites. Same rules & laws apply to everybody.
And just to clarify, I do 2d & 3d art as a hobby too, even made few car bodykits. It's just they way it is. Sure, they could have took just inspiration and made their kit based on this one, but they chose not to and it is perfectly legal...
EDIT: If they downloaded his 3D model and used that, then sure, that would be stealing, but they recreated it themselves. They still had to do the work.
@@krupy100 I get what you're saying, everything they do aligns with the laws, particularly copyright laws, put in place. But they do it in the scummiest way. Yeah, they may steal for example the Nissan GTR. But that brand and make is already popular enough for us to know what it is and where it is from, so if they slap a different name and brand on it, people, like me, would be less likely to complain. But, and I hate to say it, these body kit artists aren't popular enough to the point that everyone can immediately recognise where it's from. That's mostly why I dislike this. And with the fact that they could have copied more, I wouldn't want to play a game that I first thought most of, if not, some of the ideas were thought up by that company themselves just to find out later that it was someone else's idea and that they didn't get any form of consent or recognition.
womp womp
That f40 in the thumbnail almost brought me back to the game.
carx couldn’t get worse
It's not the same model of the car. It differs. They still basically stole the idea, but they didn't steal the original model. They can still say they were "inspired" and no one couldn't do anything about it. And I mean... if we're gonna be petty here, then EVERY indie racing game basically steals car designs! I mean... how many people basically sell unlicensed models or real cars really? I mean if you just post something like this on the internet, then don't be surprised when someone rips it off!
I mean one of the top selling games does it. GTA 5. nobody is complaining there but they do here.
@@TimeMasterOG I kinda disagree here - even though some GTA V cars aren't even trying to look differently, most of the other cars and all of the original cars in the story mode aren't just copies. Yes, they share some similarities with real cars and brands, but they're still distinctive enough to be taken as a more of an immitation or parody than a blatant copy of the real thing.
so its news when they “steal” this guys body kit. MY BROTHER IN CHRIST ALL THE BODY KITS ARE RIPPED. origin labo, rocket bunny, liberty walk, dmax, uras, other artist renderings. all of the cars wheels and body kits are technically all ripped. just bc this guys making a fuss about it bc he wants his name put in the game. i dont play carx anymore and i think the game is going downhill but this is kinda dumb
The thing is: Bigger companies doesn't have the time to go after a game like CarX, so they don't even know that their kits ar being used. And even if they know, they just don't have time for that matter.
But stealing from an independent artist, is something else. It's foul play, and I have the right to do "a fuzz" about it.
@@cyromigueldesigner7475 true bro
@@cyromigueldesigner7475 What have you lost from the fact that your body kit tuning is used in the game? you should be proud that anyone even knows about him
you won't achieve anything in court because you have neither a patent nor a brand
it's just an image on the internet lmao
@@riziere_ If it was YOU who spent months on that project, you would understand my case. But I guess people like you don't know how it is to dedicate your time and effort to something, just to see it being used without your consent.
@@cyromigueldesigner7475 you posted it online lmfao you never got it patent lmao read up on laws because you wont get shit outta this
I TOTALY AGREE WITH THE ARTIST, because i'm an artist too, even if i have to admit i would be proud somebody taking my projects to include in a game even for FREE, the MINIMUM I WISH IN RETURN, is the devs asking for permission and thanking me for allowing them use it.
and beamng just made their best drift car config yet
Even if it wasnt stolen from Cyro, Ferrari models are a risky to use unlicensed
Nani?!
They used Cyro's bodykit without their consent?
This isn't good.
Not just him
@@Goosiest who else bro
@@ValoSensi bruh. watch the video..
@@ValoSensiWatch the full vid bro
@@Mikeyaep7 yea I watched it thanks 🙏🏻
the dramatic music in the background got me
Love your videos, i've been watching for so long
Welcome back!
Hi Goose - think about ripping (stealing) off the whole design of a car, rename it, cut off the badges, do it again and again. and that's how lots of game companies get away with this. so why should carx pay respect or money to bodykit builders? are they really paying for any license to show us real-fake cars?
They are not stolen assets but a copy of the original assets and also not 100% the same thus they can not get sued
As a doctor, should I ask the creator before carrying out any procedure if I can apply their techniques?
sending an email before doing CPR seems funny
He never released it for download, so CarX honored him by adding it to the game. What’s the issue?
I guess he didn't feel honored
"They thought we were small enough creators for nobody to notice". Meanwhile CarX running literally stolen car designs and bodykits since inception. Or did anyone find RTR and Rocket Bunny in the credits?
Rocket Bunny as far as I understand is fine with anyone using their kits in any game
If Ferrari themselves see these Ferrari-like models in the game, won’t they actually sue the devs? As far as I know, Ferrari is one of the most strict companies when it comes to copyright laws. Even with the F40 in the game having a different name or no license, there still might be a chance considering there was a case years back when the Pixel car racing devs had to take off their porsche models (despite having no name and no license) because of some legal action from porsche.
Yeah, they already took down beamng Ferrari mods so I'm guessing the reason they haven't is because beam is bigger then carx
@@brettjames5061 Ferrari mods are still active and being posted on modhub and Wix (￣∇￣)
Carx is gaining popularity nowadays putting it on the radar so big time car companies may start to take notice and do some action.
It an Intimidation tactic that these car companies do when it come to these type of copyright law. They are betting on you not challenging their BS claims because they know how resource heavy it is to fight this in court. So it understandable why the dev on Pixel car racing comply. Whereas them trying this against Rockstar and completely losing all there bogus claims due to rockstar having endless resources.
The f40 was my favorite car😢 those reverse entries were on point every time
In Carx Drift Racing 2 it also happened, they stole the body kit for the RX7 and the creator was angry because his work was stolen.
Wow love video are they going to fix this issues and are u going to continue playing car x ?
if they do - yes
@@Goosiest ok goosiest do your best
I just do not agree here. CarX did not steal a model or anything, its more of an inspiration imo. They took a lot of stuff, but mixed it with their own touches... like the side mirrors, the side light on the fender, there is no 'nostril' on the carx version, headlights are different, diffuser slightly different, carx hood has a kind of air intake or something which is not in Cyro's.
This is legit stupid.....I didnt expect a video like this
1:46 he is almost a billionaire 😮
Looked at it at the same time 😭
As a Art station daily user. Definitely think this makes sense. ! Great render to the OG maker of that kit. 👏🏽
"In my case, I took them from a 65 Mustang" Ahh ok so He's allowed to take someone else's ideas but CarX isn't? Whether I agree with what CarX has done or hasn't done is irrelevant. You can't steal someone else's ideas and then cry when it happens to you. To anyone who says it's just tail lights, either it's all ok or none of it is. I guess it's just a popular thing to hate on CarX atm? Then those people talking shit on it will go play it..
Well no, it's the creators creative property. It's like making a song with remixed vocal samples and someone is then taking your song and putting it in their game as a soundtrack. Copyright is not that simple, the song is still a newly made creation. So is the wide body kit. There is a difference between "sampling" and stealing. :)
I couldn't have said it better
I love how he is drifting the car with the bodykit while talking to him 🤣
I want my 30$ refund immediately
To be honest, as soon as they used a different hood and headlights its a whole different body kit. And you don't have a patent or license locking your kit to you I'm assuming so it's up for anybody to recreate. Yes it was in bad nature to use 99% of the kit without giving any credit whatsoever but I mean they made their own body kit when they changed it up just took inspiration from your kit. Games know what they're doing this wouldn't of held up in court and they were extremely nice to him in his response. It's like if I went to auto zone and got a hood scoop and put it on my Mazda miata I can't force nobody else not to use the same hood scoop from auto zone for their miata 😂
So? They rip manufacturers cars and bodykit manufacturers and change just enough for copyright freedom. Everyone is fine
Same thing happens with a 3d design. Everyone loses their mind 🙄
É bom achar brasileiros mas é surpreendente o quanto a gente se ferra kkkkkk... O artista ae Cyro Miguel é brasileiro pra quem ainda ta em duvida. Força ae mano trabalho foda!!!
Ele é br? Kkkk eu só fui estranhar quando ele falou o nome dele com acentuação (cyro miguél) kkkkkkk
And we were expecting CarX Street coming along to PC. This one warcrime CHANGED EVERYTHING...
Ferrari irl: MODDING OUR CARS IS ILLEGAL!!!111!!!
Ferrari being added to carx: …
Unsubscribed. I expect better content from you. "Stolen" can be said for every rocket bunny 3d models in artstation. Stop spreading fake news, no one is in BIG trouble.
i was thinking on contacting carx to offer them myself as a bodykit designer since i have about 5 years of experience in designing cars and stuff. And i think they need someone still for do that instead of stealing innocent people's bodykits w/o asking them or even just contacting them
After watching the whole video. I really respect the creator of the kits and all his explanation make sense that even IF he sues CarX he would definitely won. Though I really wish someone who got their bodykit stolen would just SUEs CarX
so every design CarX didn't make should be removed from the game or something? cuz you do realize that would mean EVERY CAR IN THE GAME
This possible I guess most racing/driving game out there don't have any license adding bodykits such as LBWK, Pandem...ect can be sued by the people behind the bodykits
I’ve been saying forever. CarX just wants your money with no effort to improve
No one gonna talk about the body kit guy technically ripped the f40 style if we gonna talk about ripping Ferrari should sue him for using thier car
Goose , you are the one who never scared to uncover anything on any game , even to blame them . Our huge respects to you and wish you more strength to uncover more !
This is cringe and BS. CarX did nothing that "IS NOT LEGAL!", one of their artists just used Cyro's work as reference and/or blueprint. (work that wasn't copyrighted or anything as far as i'm aware). And it's not even a 1:1 copy, there is a lot of differences. it's a bit sad for Cyro that CarX did not acknowledge his work, but thats it, there is nothing more to it.
They did not "Steal game assets", the original work isn't even game assets in the first place, and they didn't stole anything.
This hapends also with some servers in FiveM like BlackOut RP in italy where they take other people mods and make people pay hundreds of euros just for putting it into the server without any authorization from the author and avoiding the policy of CFX reguarding real life models forbidden in FiveM.
I doesnt look exactly the same, It also looks like crap in carx
because they replicated it
What... If model isn't available for download they couldn't use it anyway. It's not even 1:1 copy...
U sure about that?
@@Mra_gamingYT yes
Hey goose, what are you using to record your screen?
OBS
Thankyou!
i just started the video and i dont really think them having a very similar/almost identical bodykit to someone else is a problem, they copy the cars and dont pay for it, they probably didnt pay for any of the wheels and there is probably other bodykits that look like ones made from other people/brands and all the time no one had a problem with it
resumindo, o cara q fez o kit é brasileiro KKKKKKKKKKKK
man its such a shame, carx was my favorite drift game when i used to play on mobile, seeing them do something like this and how the carx team been doing this past few years is just disappointing
This isn’t plagiarism or wrong in my opinion because they didn’t download his car. They copied their own way heavily inspired with slight changes props to the guy who designed it and the original creator obviously 🙄
I feel like this is a yes or no topic.
We all know CarX doesn’t do branding or licensing and yes that is ‘stealing’ in some way. But on the other hand that’s what allows them to put so many cars and customizations in the game and if they would do licensing we wouldn’t have even half of what we do now so it’s a give and take.. you give them the right to use the cars and customizations in order so we can have them in the game because otherwise we wouldn’t..
CarX and many games including Grand Theft Auto copy cars that they don't own rights or bought the license to, they change the names and don't use logos and stuff yet people never seem to complain about that. When CarX copies a body kit and its not even a 100% copy people get up in arms though CarX even before the Ferrari already had body kits implemented from Liberty Walk, Rocket Bunny, etc. This is nothing new. If one person wants their designs to have even a little bit of protection then they need to file for copyright/patent paperwork.
GTA and BeamNG have way different models compared to IRL, unlike CarX
@@Goosiest GTA definitely has the most for with it though many smaller game developers do it like CarX
Dude used a Ferrari F40 which he doesn’t own as a base, you can use inspiration from where ever you want, car x did nothing wrong
Meat riding carx so hard there
Muita força para o mano! Não deixa essa corporação fazer pouco de você Cyro Miguel!!
É OS GURI
there is more than a 30% difference so legally they don't have anything to worry about.
its not the same tho , little tweaks make it not the same, carx is bolt on and cyro is molded , honestly it doesnt look the same at all he just looking for a check
The F40 Bodykit is an Artpiece. The creator Cyro did not sell or monetize this artpiece afaik. He is allowed to use the F40 as a base and even the rear lights of the Mustang under fair use, as long as he doesn't make profit with that artpiece.
When a company like the CarX developers then use this artpiece in their game, which does cost money for the cosumer to buy, thats where the problem lies. They profited of that artpiece what they copied. That is at minimum shady, but a copyright infringement at best.
If that "Cyro" guy is the guy behind Zephyr designs that guy is insane. His designs and bodykits are just 😘🤤
"oh no, carx is stealing assets!"
Cpm: 👀
If my bodykit got stolen I would be absolutely flaming carX
So, from what I'm gathering, since the original model isn't shared, that someone at CarX used the models images to recreate a like 95% accurate copy of the bodykit with some VERY minor changes, without contacting the original models creator.. I'm just curious if the original model creator has it licensable, if so they could REALLY rake CarX over the coals, I mean they already can cause it's someones intelectual property, but if it's something that's taged with something like [Licensable] that just slaps a whole lot of other legal stuff onto it that the original author could bring down on CarX.
Artists who upload their work to ArtStation typically retain the copyright to their creations. This means that you generally cannot use or reproduce their images without permission.
@@Goosiest Ah okay, I never use ArtStation or look at it. Glad they protect their community of artists though. And with that being said, CarX would be smart to remove the car from their game. OR at least that bodykit and make one of their own.
@@shushyshushy6762 As I said, the last thing I want is for them to remove the kit. It would be a shame for everyone that is racing around with the kit right now.
@@cyromigueldesigner7475 As long as you're alright with your work being in the game, and as long as both parties comes to an agreement then all is good. What is interesting and worrying is, how many more kits are stolen pieces of work from others, you already uncovered 1 other stolen kit. Hopefully the other creator and CarX can come to a similar agreement as yours, but now I really question a lot of the other kits of the MANY other cars in the game, and I probably won't be returning to CarX ever again.
bro hasent uploaded in so long and he just gave us a 15 minute yap session