A guy that I’ve known for a few years convinced me to start on a 600 and I’m so glad he did and the biggest thing he said to me when I was looking for a bike was “just about everyone can start on a 600 and finish on a 600, those who can’t don’t know how to control themselves, just because the power is there doesn’t mean you HAVE to use it”
I agree with that statement, I think if you're truly dedicated to riding a sporty motorcycle and have self control it can be a good thing. On the flip though some people get into riding and don't truly understand the power that you'll get out of a 600. They just have friends who ride 600s and don't understand the potential of them before they start
@@sambeezy007 I mean you can do that but you def won’t be a “faster” rider. Everyone learns and grows at different paces but me personally I wouldn’t let any of my friends get anything smaller than a 600 cuz I started on a 600 and kept the mentality that if others can do it then so can I and i have been completely fine
I bought my first bike in my thirties. I was really looking for a reason to buy a 600. The two reasons I didn't is insurance, but more importantly the ergonomics. I sat down on some 600s and was honest with myself that the learning curve would not be ideal. Glad I started on a MT07. I encourage you to do your research, sit on a lot of bikes and "ride your own bike". Will look at upgrading at some point in the future.
It's not about personally responsibility, it's about a noob sneezing, twisting his wrist by accident, and yeeting himself into oblivion cuz he's on a big bike.
I think people who struggled through a motorcycle safety course or aren't yet confident should start with a small displacement bike. Self-control is also key when riding medium to large displacement bikes
@@jacobclement7707 it just depends. On the highway you simply have to put yourself in good defensive positions and always have an escape route and think ahead. I’ve ridden my first bike (14’ ninja 300) all over the freeways around Los Angeles and even taken it down to Mexico and back in the rain. But if you aren’t in a good position you will have to use power to get into a better one
I started on a 2001 Suzuki SV650 and it was honestly perfect. It was super timid in the low RPMs so it didn't scare me off, but once I got comfortable after a couple of months I started opening it up and having fun. However, I definitely understand the argument against starting on a 650. To each their own!
I think a 650 is the best class for a beginner by far. It has power to grow into but not too much. An sv650 is around 75hp where a bike like the r6 is 115. Add to that the way the power builds and it’s a massive difference. The mt07/sv650/ninja 650 are my go to recommendations for “bigger” first bikes. 🤟
@@JonesBrosGaragehello I’m a noob and don’t know anything, I thought more cc means more speed bow does a more cc has less hp than the less cc…down tuned..?
I'm one of those guys dead set on a 600. The zx6r to be exact. I've seen every single video online about the topic and the bike itself. I just love watching videos and I've seen damn near every single one of them. Nothing will stray me from starting on my dream bike
@@Critastichow if anything he would be better I’m not taking the msf course ik the controls so why would I and if I spending thousands it’s going to be on something I want
All facts!! It was so easy for me to say I'll just be responsible and stay below or at the speed limit. And then the adrenaline kicked in when I looked around and felt good, weather was perfect, and every temptation was setting in. I bought an 03 cbr because I wanted to prove that you can start on a 600cc and the other half was because I wanted attention. All that went away once I found myself in a parking lot practicing, and feeling so intimidated. I felt irresponsible, and almost embarrassed that I talked the talked but couldn't walk the walk. Had it for 3 months, then crashed it. I lean on the side of riding smaller bikes first and graduating, simply for the fact that you gain the confidence as you learn. Love the video!
I want to start on a 600 not because I wanna go fast right away or anything like that.. I want to start on a 600 bc I don't want to have to upgrade after I get used to it. I think you made a great point in this video when you said it would take a season or two to get used to it first then another two to know its limits and be able to push it to those limits. That's how I see it anyways.
I agree with you! That's why I want a 600 too, I know I'll have power but I don't want to and I won't use it. Just because I have it doesn't mean I'm obligated to use it. And plus....it looks fucking awesome lmao. I definitely wanna be a responsible driver and not die in the process, I know how to control myself and I know my limit :)
I disagree you should buy a 1k obviously.. I started on an 1100.. was 1991 Hurricane so it was slower than today's 400s but was heavy and planted on the road. I also think SIZE comes into play. If you are 6'6" you might just NEED a 1k. My 2c
@@giannacarbajal7003 and then theres me... within a week of getting my license (in a car) i had gone 120 on the highway and 90 down a back road that a lot of my friends speed on...
kinda late but upside to the r6 is theres not rlly much power until your super high into the rpm so you can ease your way in and also you wont have too much power where you dont need aka the city
You are right to a degree. I find it better for somebody to start out on a 300 and really get the feel of how a bike feeds back to you through an entire RPM range. Learn to get comfortable and thrash a 300. Then get a 600. Then, on that 600 you'll be faster than some guys on 1000s...
Personally I think If your starting on a 600 you need to have the most respect and fear for it at the same time, if you don't then you need to start on something slower as you don't really understand how dangerous it really is
Bro your commentary and advice as a rider probably saved my life. I’m itching for adrenaline but have zero experience as a rider. I didn’t think I would but I watched the entire video and heard everything you said. I think I’ll start on a 400 now. Thank you
same boat here man. I've been really wanting a bike and I tend to be pretty responsible and safe with driving, so I thought a 600 would be fine and it saves me from having to upgrade. but when he was mentioning that if you are the type that you wanna start on a 600, you probably won't be safe on one, and it really resonated with me. I started to think back on the times I've gotten that itch to go fast and started thinking about how all it takes is you pulling that throttle a little too hard one time on a 600cc and bam, you're hurt bad. He really managed to convince me not to get a 600cc and I wasn't even in the cons yet. 400cc here i come!
Yep, I'm also about to get a 400 (Kawasaki Ninja) just to start out. Cheaper, I think $5000 vs $9000 for a 650. Still fast, low hundreds MPH. Better gas mileage too, from 40-ish miles per gallon to 60-ish mpg.
Always owned 600s myself, and once you get experience, you realize the 600s are probably the funnest bikes to own, as you can just flick & rev them into corners so hard and have a fairly smooth experience throughout the entirety of it. As I'm older now though, I've kind of toned down my aggressive riding...and this is going to honestly sound completely backwards, but I just bought my first 1000 and did so with the intentional purpose of actually riding slower. I've ridden plenty of 1000s even though I never owned one before now, and one thing I learned real quick is you can't flick them around in corners nearly as aggressively. You really gotta learn some self-control with them. They're also geared so much better for not revving to the moon on highway rides, and have better longevity if you're not riding it like a track bike. I'm also a shorter guy being 5'7" and I've always felt like the 1000s I've ridden actually sat a bit lower to the ground and had more comfortable ergos/seats/etc. If I had more time & money I'd probably own both, 1000 for street and 600 for track but I just don't have that option so 1000s for me now
Definitely a good example! It happens to the best of us, let alone a beginner. I remember when my brother started on his Ninja 400 he accidently dropped it in the parking lot.. Such a face palm moment. Would be such a shame to see a pretty new sport bike all scratched up from such stupid beginner mistakes. Smart choice though and I hope you stick with the hobby 👍
@@JonesBrosGarage years ago (around 2006), i was following a discussion in a blog, about some advice on the first sport bike to buy. Some users recommended a 600 (like CBR or R6).. others said "1000cc is a better choice because you have instant power so you don't feel the need to accelerate too much". Totally crazy
@@iehen it's actually funny. I'd say hilarious if it didn't lead to people getting hurt. Unfortunately I hear discussions like this all the time! It's so mind blowing to me
@@iehen crazy enough I feel that way when I ride 1000s, my buddy loaned me his bmw s1000rr for a week and I felt like I was on such a rocket with instant power that I didn’t even wanna speed I just preferred cruising around knowing in my head I could take off in a sec like a bat of out hell... Crazy how the mind works haha I use to jump on my 600 and pin it non stop 🤷♂️
Getting my full licence in 3 months I’ve watched over 3000 videos about rpm throttle gears ect and not one has been as perfect as this video , you’ve nailed it on specification dude your video is perfection keep it up
Exactly. respect the power, go slow, use your head and youl figure out that going full throttle in traffic is a bad idea if you want to keep your bike and your life
@A H First car i ever drove was a scat pack. I didnt die, I didnt wreck. Know why? Im not retarded. I dont need to know every inch and mechanic of a bike or car like a mOtO gP rIdEr because im not a fucking professional racer
@A H I got my Kawasaki Zx6r 1 month ago and am riding just fine, I use it everyday on streets highways and sometimes intestate, it’s about control, nobody it’s tryna prove anything buddy. There’s just people with different options and situations. Me for example, I wish I could have the chance to start on a low cc, but because of my situation I just can’t take 1 or 2 years to learn, I used the options that I had at the moment, and it worked out pretty well.
I really like your grip on responsibility and realism. I gotta yfz r3 and quick realized that after have it fall one time a 600 may have been a bit much. U also made a wonderful point as if I would've gotten a 600, I would have missed out on learning the fundamentals of riding as well as nothing to really look forward to in my riding career. I appreciate u making this video and sharing your experiences!
I appreciate the feedback! I try to give people non-biased facts in addition to my own opinion. I know people who started on 600s and did fine, so I can’t tell my audience it’s not possible. It’s not what I recommend or would do.. but you definitely can do it if you prefer.
As a beginner who rides on the highway, an R3 is plenty for me. It doesn't feel cheap, it can handle highway speeds just fine, and I wouldn't feel like shit if I dropped it because of how cheap it is. It is also nice to have more of a neutral seated position. Personally, I love driving a 300, it's just really fun to ride a slow bike fast.
@@jauxed 300 is plenty. However, I would recommend sitting on various bikes and see which one feels most comfortable. An MT-03 will feel completely different than an R3. I fit on the R3 but not so much on the MT-03, for example.
Really good pros and cons! I currently have an R3 and I'm very happy with my bike. A lot of riders I meet tell me to get a R600 because I can keep up with 1000's but I know for a fact it's very easy to get caught up in having more power and at the end of the day it's all about enjoying the ride..
The R3 is a great little motorcycle. And I truely feel after riding as many years as I have, those people that tell someone to go out and get a 600 or any supersport just so you can "keep up with the liter bikes" are generally the ones that can only go fast in a straight line and aren't that great of a rider. Sometimes, the smaller motorcycles are more fun. Light as hell, nimble and fast into and out of the corners and you can really hone your skills and become an excellent rider on a smaller bike.
Don’t listen to any rider who tells you that you need to upgrade just to keep up with anyone. That’s nonsense, the R3 is a great bike. Enjoy for as long as you need and upgrade only if you want to later on.
Excellent advice. Brought up things a novice rider would not know about to consider. Thanks very much for a very well balanced presentation. That sounded nerdy but I learned a lot!
I started on a Yamaha R3 I rode that 2 half years straight it taught me everything I needed to know. When I got my GSXR it was natural and I didn’t have to “learn” how to ride a 600 I just got on it and rode because I already had a foundation built with the 300. I ride the 600, the 600 doesn’t ride me. That’s the advantage with a 300cc a lot people bitch about 300cc it’s smaller, slower BUT you learn a lot better, build confidence, knowledge and control to ride bigger bikes. It’s also a lot more forgiving if you make a mistake on the 300 vs the 600 I always urge people to start on a smaller bike for safety the power curb is smaller so you can’t go crazy with the throttle like a 600. Also why I don’t recommend 600+ bikes when you’re starting is because if you don’t have the experience built to know how to react you will crash. A 600 has more power and you must know how to react to a situation that puts you in danger on the rode with a bigger bike. That is why I recommend the 300 it’s teaches you this and more while not too crazy on the power were you can focus on LEARNING and not worrying how fast you can go or trying to look cool and impress chicks. All that stuff come later when you’ve learned how to ride, got you foundation, principles and earned your experience. Then you can worry about how fast and safely you can go. Btw I still have my R3 and still ride it to work.
Same boat as you! Peep my R3 in my display pic haha but i started on R3 and glad i did made me more confident and understand riding in a safe manner, I plan to get a gsxr 750 next year or possibly R6 depending but definitely starting on a 300cc at least. Csn give you the time to FOCUS AND LEARN we’ll respecting the Bike!
Your last con is what I usually lead with when someone considers a 600 for their first bike. The power and torque at high rpms is highly underrated. I know quit a few people who got 600s as their first bike and simple mistakes over correcting at higher rpms caused a accident and scarred them from wanting to continue riding. When I got my RX6-rr I was more than content. I’ve chin checked a few guys who had bigger bikes a few times. They had big talk when it came to quarter mile challenges. But they were kinda quiet when I would mention a eight mile. I eventually moved up to a ZX10. And that took me to a whole new level. But all in all.”“IF YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE”” a 600cc class superbike will be all that you need for a long time. But one con you didn’t mention is with taller riders. I’m 6ft, 215lbs. And I think I’m at that threshold. Cause after riding for a while I do look for those breaks where I get the chance to stretch my legs. So that would be something for them to consider when purchasing a smaller super sport motorcycle.
Me at 6'7'' wanting a street bike so hard lmao Gotta look for something bigger, but I rode dirtbike for about 15 years so I don't think I'd qualify as a total beginner
Enjoyed your video. One "con" that you didn't mention (or I missed it) was the overall weight of the bike. While it may not be as big of an issue with a cruiser with its lower center of gravity, it's definitely a factor with other types making them feel more top heavy. As a very late-in-life beginning rider, I bought a used '04 Yamaha FZ6 for under $3k. I would have preferred something in the lower cc range and more of a cruiser style, but the inventory in my region of a good used bikes is poor, so when this sport touring bike popped up I grabbed it. The most intimidating thing for me was the bike's weight. It's definitely a jump up from the 250cc dual sport that I rode in the MSF class. After a few weeks of making the short commute to/from work, I got used to it and actually appreciate the extra pounds on the freeway. The weight of a larger cc bike is also a "con" when you're trying to get it upright after dropping it. Not too bad if it has side bags propping it up, but quite a challenge when it's flat on its side. Found that out after I accidentally pushed my bike off its kickstand. Thank God I was in my driveway with helpers in the house.
I used to be totally against someone starting out and learning on a 600. I got over that but I still don't think its the "best" motorcycle to learn on just because of how much trouble an inexperienced rider can get into. The power comes on very fast in the high rpms and its very easy to get stupid on one. I started off with a clapped out 80s honda 400. I rode that for a few years before moving up to a 750 Kawasaki and then a zx6r. And even after all those years, the z6xr still suprised and scared the shit out of me the first time I took it past 14k rpms. I'm a bit older now and found my perfect motorcycle to be the Street Triple 765. Long story short, start on what you're comfortable with, but be careful and use common sense! Stay safe out there.
Very informative video for first riders on a 600. It definitely comes down to being restrictive and respecting the bike. Do NOT test its limits as a new rider, as it can be the last. I hope ppl can take this into consideration.
Everything he says makes sense & all from real personal experience. The case for progression from the smaller beginner bike to faster bigger bikes makes compelling sense. Excellent vid.
I disagree that you shouldn't start on a 600cc, I had never been on a motorbike before I started my lessons, my lessons were on a Ninja 650 and I felt so at ease with it after a couple of lessons. I bought a CBR 650f for my 1st bike, I had it for one summer and then sols it and bought a R1 because I became too comfortable and bored on the CBR. Ultimately, I guess it is all down to the rider, I have always been really sport orientated and had good balance etc. YOU DO YOU!
I started on a FZ6R last week, never rode before besides the street 500 i rode in my msf course 6 months ago. Been super easy to learn on and I've gotten super comfortable with it
i started on a 750 gixxer. i truly believe that its up to the rider and self control on the throttle. tbh i was scared of the power it did have but i soon realized i controled the throttle, i didnt have to drive fast YET. so i didnt. i learned the bike, i rode it safely and not fast because i wasnt comfortable. until i got a little more comfortable i started increasing my speed. before i knew it i was more confident but im always cautious. but i can agree a lot of people need to start on a 300 or 400 because some people just dont have that control.
I really appreciate your words of wisdom. I want to get a 600 for my first bike but I agree that it's a lot of power. I think I still will but I'm going to be doing a lot of practicing off the highway.
I started on a 600 and said the same thing. Within 2 hours I was on the highway. Every rider is different but if you respect the throttle a 600 is a great bike that you can keep for a long time.
Dude I freakin love you, I’m looking into getting my first bike and you really changed my entire perspective. 🤞🏾 thank you so much man. I am an adrenaline junkie so I was gonna just get a super sport and learn the ropes. But you’re right that WOULD give me less to look forward to. So thank you for that 👏🏾 safe riding brother I’ll be on 2 wheels shortly 🤝
you might’ve saved my life i was just thinking of getting a 600 for my first bike but have been riding dirt bikes my whole life and this video definitely changed my view on getting a 600
Yo Man! I can't tell you enough how informative this video was. I'm just starting to look into getting my first bike and happened to click on this video. I love how you talked about the pros and cons equally. Thank you so much man. Totally impacted my future decision and provided a ton of clarity. Thanks bro!
The bad downshifts hurt my soul, I think my bike felt them lmfao. Good video but good lord, those down shifts aren't actually doing what they're supposed to do which is take stress off the clutch and I think you just created more lol.
@@john_prick Bruh no idea lol, I can only think because it's not his bike so he's not used to blipping the throttle on it and the RPM's being able to jump so high that quickly
I have a difficult time downshifting smoothly. Can someone help me better understand it? Seems like you too are in agreement that the video isnt how to do it.. can you tell me how it supposed to be?
@@renay21992 as you downshift, you should “blip the throttle” which means to snap the throttle a little bit and give it gas just as your downshifting so you rev match to the correct gear
i started on a 2019 r6 and on a track i recommend it a lot i learned how to fall off bikes at all speeds learned how to rev match and the whole 9 i definitely think a 600 is a good start as long as you aren’t scared of the bike(it’s also good to be scared of the bike)
great advice man going to buy my first 400 was looking at the 600 because i didnt want to outgrow the 400 too quick but im on a budget so your price advise has made me choose the 400
very compelling cons. i started on a R3 but could never articulate why as good as you have, and frankly didn't think about the lifespan of the riding progression. your arguments make it sound much more enjoyable and rewarding to extend that enjoyment. thanks!
So perfectly tackled cons about throttle handling, weight, turns convinced me to stay within 400cc for a first bike. One of the best videos for newbies wandering for their first bike to watch!
Excellent video! I was convinced for years that I was going to start with a 600. You were the first to convince me to get my fundamentals and technical riding abilities on point with something more forgiving. Thanks!
I've honestly watched too many videos about this topic. I'm a new rider on a 250cc dual sport and only one season under my belt. I have been looking to upgrade, so I've been researching a lot about this topic. Something about your video, though, has convinced me to go for the mto3 instead of the mt07 in spring. No other video, despite saying similar things, has led me to this conclusion. I just wanted to say thank you because you never know, maybe you saved my life with this one. Thank you, sir! New subscriber!
Lol.. I dont even started my driving school and i have already MT-07 in a garage.. But i have got a huge respect to it and i will ride it after i try a bigger bike in a driving school first.
I started on a gsx600f katana 600cc, I am glad I did. As a beginner the first few weeks I never got on the highway and worked up to 6th gear in a month. If you get a 600 as a beginner its simple ride your ride don't go showing off.
Very good video and you touched on many topics that are true to life when it comes to beginners and sport bikes. I've been around long enough to see first hand the negative results of young people getting in over their heads, I even did it riding my 600RR Honda that led to a near fatal crash. I was always a Ducati rider, but decided on getting a 600 to train with to get my racer's license. I had a couple of good club racers mentoring me, but despite that, I shouldn't have been riding like I was the day of the accident and should have taken that to the track instead. I was used to V twin torque and power, not used to the rocket ship performance of the 600 after 7K RPMs. In no time the next tight curve is on you. As you alluded to, much of the issues that get riders in trouble are their own personalities. If they are mature and understand common sense rules, then it doesn't matter what size bike you are riding, but if their ego gets caught up showing off and riding over your limits then it won't be long before trouble comes knocking. Good advice for any beginner bike rider.
Dude your information has been super helpful I'm planning on getting a R6 for the summer and using it as a daily... I'll be a beginner of course but I've signed up for some lessons on a smaller bike
Any fallow up if you’ve purchased it yet? I’m currently shopping around for an R6 as well, used model 06-10, but I’ve ridden dirt bikes since I was young. Give me an update man thanks. Let’s all ride safe!
dude you made a simple video about something thousands of riders have made before and you really dug it deep into peoples souls in a great was. you made it actually heart warming to start small. I kind of regret now getting a GSXR 750 as my first bike now man. but not rlly in a bad way. u earned a subscriber bro. keep making videos man your energy and passion is going to really accel your youtube career. You'll reach those youtube mile stones b4 u know it bro. great video.
I started on a 600 back in the day and you do bring up some good points especially if your a younger rider. I stopped riding for 15 years and this past summer I got a 2015 Gsxr 600 and it definitely was better than getting a liter bike. But on the Gsxr 600 you have A and B mode so I started riding in B mode since it’s more forgiving on the throttle. A lot of the newer bikes have so many driver aids that you really don’t get to experience a bike where you need to learn everything. But I don’t agree with the bashing of the 600’s and you can get a 750 instead of liter bike. I took out a ninja 650 about a month after and it was comfortable but got boring really quick. I also think your forgetting that if you ride in a lower mode on a 600 or a 636 it lets you build up to the full power. It also depends on your skill and confidence. If you aren’t confident and know nothing about bikes than a 600 may be too much but it really depends on the riders size and weight. I’m happy I started on a 600 tho and I love it. It’s just like owning a gun you need to respect the bike or it will kill you
So, which do you suggest of the Ninja’s? I’ve been looking at the 25R screamer, the 650 and the 636. I’ve pretty much decided the 400 is probably not the way to go.
yeah, but why buy a bike if you can't handle it in its most extreme mode? seems like an even better reason to just start small. I'm not talking specifically about your case but in the case of a new rider, the modes are there so veteran riders can ride more comfortably not so beginner riders can tone the bike down.
Started last season on a CBR300 knowing I wanted to upgrade to a 600 and I rode the hell out of that thing. I really felt like I was able to push the bike to its limits. Sold that bike about a month ago (for a profit actually) and got myself an R6 about a week ago.... First Impressions: Sexy, loud, and STUPID FAST. Really glad I waited at least a season for a 600 and now I'm getting those butterflies all over again. Great Video!
My first bike was a 600 keep in mind I never rode a bike before and only watched videos but as soon as I hoped on it my body took full control,was very light on the throttle for the first week or two getting the handing down in first gear is a must 😅
I really appreciate the advice man. I have been wanting a bike for years now, and finally I am in a position where I can save up to buy one, and will take your points into consideration.
This is the best video I've seen yet. I'm looking at getting my first bike and I was torn between the ninja 650 or the ninja zx6r. I think I'm dead set on the 650 now thanks to this video. I appreciate all the info on it, everyone told me not to start on the 6r but the way you put it out there made up my mind
I appreciate the feedback! Honestly I had a ninja 650 and I LOVED that bike. I’m sure part of it is nostalgia because it was one of my first bikes.. but there’s just something about it. It’s the perfect amount of power for the street. It’s manageable for a new rider and easy for an experienced rider to push hard. I miss it all the time. I kept hearing how fast 600cc bikes were and eventually sold it to find out for myself. Ultimately everyone was right, 600s like the zx6r are a shock after riding a 650. But after the shock and excitement wears off, you’re left with a bike that’s honestly probably not as fun as the 650. I never felt my 650 was “slow” and still to this day don’t. You’ll love it 👍
Thanks Jones Bones Garage. Want to flat out say you probably saved my life. I owned an e-bike past two years which I rode illegally, ( Law says 32 kph but there’s a switch you can flick and can do up to 100.), the intent was to gain experience and actually ride a motorcycle. This is the year I buy. My boss owns a gixxer 1000 and thought about just doing it and purchase,…Then I thought maybe it might be too much power,… Thought about getting a 600 instead the I saw your video,… Inexperienced rider, it makes more sense to graduate and practice,… You made perfect sense, absolutely relatable, I appreciate you took the time to educate,… I’ll own that 1000 one day.
That’s what I like to hear! I’d honestly check out 650 class bikes, they’re plenty fast. I’m a big fan of the Aprilia rs660, mt07/r7 and ninja 650. You could do a 600 and just be careful with it, but I almost always recommend 650 class to people with a similar experience to street bikes; ie- dirt bikes or electric bikes like you
I'm a complete new rider wanting my first bike. My only experience on 2 wheels have been 125cc scooters up until now. I plan to undertake a full biking course with professional riders to help me learn the ropes. After that, I am considering a 600, but your points have been well noted. Great, great video and food for thought.
I appreciate this video. My first bike was a gsxr 750 because I just looked for a sports bike at a deal and this was one that was on its way to the grave. Two years later it broke and this is two years after that and I'm looking at getting a bike again. You're right, I rode my 750 and immediately my friends 500s didn't feel as fun because of the lack of power. I was wondering if I should go back and get a 400 to really nail all the basics down before I get a 600 (750 is completely unnecessary haha) or if I'd even got the opportunity to get a 600 if I already committed to a 400. This video gave me a lot of insite, thank you!
I started on a Ninja 650R being a big guy, and I kinda regret not getting a 600 instead. Not only the riding triangle of the footpeg, handlebar, seat, etc but also the suspension is super soft on the 650. Although I've adjusted the preload all the way to the maximum, it still rides like a truck (and acceleration too). I could've just ridden in my truck with AC fully blasted when I sit in the daily traffic. I recently bought a 700 again in neo-cafe style, 5 years after selling my ninja.
Learned how to shift on a 125cc 4t pitbike when i was really young, got comfortable shifting and started riding suped up scooters on the road. So i learned road etiquette from riding the scooter. Put those 2 skills together and decided to buy a 21 zx6r 636 ninja for my first actual motorcycle in July 2021. Fast forward to now, Jan 2022, the new bike has 6700 miles on it, and i bought 2 more bikes that i put a ton of miles on as well. Super comfortable on all of them and the best part is, i only had to focus on traffic because the shifting and road etiquette have been engrained in my instincts for years and years now. So the best thing is learn all the controls so it's 2nd nature, then you can pretty much ride anything.
I agree with that, when I first started riding I was 16ish (old enough to comprehend it's dangerous) and it was alot to learn at once. Riding from when you're young helps alot but like you said really understanding the controls is huge. And learning on a big "scary" bike when you don't even know the controls is difficult. I started on smaller bikes too but regardless what helped me progress in riding as well as driving sports cars is understanding how they work. For example, Once I understood how a clutch worked and why you need one I felt more comfortable with it. I'm not sure if that's just me or that would help other people too
My first bike I wanted to start on was a 2019 BMW S1000R. I learned more about motorcycles, then found out that the '1000' in the S1000R meant that it was super powerful, so I dropped to a 600cc and started looking at different 600cc bikes. Found out that the 600cc was still a bit too powerful. Started looking at 300cc and seen the different style bodies and the sound of the small engines....HORRIBLE! The way you sit up right, the the view from the cockpit, the small windscreens, and the gokart sounding engines. The bike that I WAS interested in was the KTM RC 390 because it has that slouched-over position and it wasn't too slow, but then to find out, it isn't reliable as other bikes. A week ago, I found a new love, which was the Kawasaki Ninja ZX25R(250cc) with 4 cylinders, looks fast, slouched over position, and sounds badass. Guess what?.... the bitch isn't sold in the US... Here's the bike..ua-cam.com/users/shortsla7w8jjer58?feature=share Now here I am debating over starting on a 300cc or 600cc....again..
That’s awesome! That’s my goal with making these videos! If you want a bike with some power but something I still think is appropriate for a new rider, check out the ninja 650 or Yamaha mt07!
Good video, I am currently booked for my test. Been a long long dream to have a R6 like you said maybe not the best move but only bike I've wanted really. I'm nearly 40 and I do appreciate the power of these and will respect it.
Decent statement mate, you have basically said everything that might relate a beginner rider. I personally started with a 07 R6 and did 200+ on the fourth day(I m alive and healthy now), which is still a kinda regret. Btw, I also have an EVO 9 and a subaru STI GVF, so instagram followed. Cheers mate, best of luck.
Shoot, I have an evo 8 aswell and I’ve been wanting a bike for a while. This video gave me a lot of knowledge and actually convinced me to start on a slower / and more comfortable bike.
@@singsovanneth8616 no way lol absolutely zero shot in hell I'll ever drop a bike I've been riding to long now ... is it possible I low side on a track rippin someday maybe but as far as dropping it or panic on the rode and fall or something absolutely not no way in hell if your a good athlete riding a motorcycle is a cake walk
@@gshell2520 that’s what I was thinking, there’s surely a difference in an athletic person starting vs non athletic person riding, I too was thinking if you’re a athlete you have a better chance at just being good quicker and adapting but idk, you’r reaction time and just overall getting used to the bike will be faster, atleast that’s what I’m assuming I’ve never owned a motorcycle let alone an r6 but I hope one day
@@SSovereignmaTT yes definitely man go get a bike you'll never experience what the true feeling of freedom is until you ride off on a motorcycle it's to fun 🤙
👀 Did you seriously just imply women can't handle a 600 as a starter bike? All it takes is dedication, carefulness, and practice, and anyone can successfully learn on one.
Great video listened to every word. I was 18y old and was on a litter CBR 200+. Young and dumb. Haven't rode since I was 19. Now 42 and wiser not as bold. Great video man. Be safe riders.
In 2 weeks I'll be buying a 1996 YZF 600 aka The Thundercat as my first sports bike. I'm 6 foot 170lbs and just feel a 250 is to small for me. I've driven plenty of dirt bikes and understand the concept. I am 34 years old and feel I'm pretty responsible. I'm going to spend 2 hours in a parking lot before i go out onto the road and my father who has years of experience of riding is going to be with me the entire time. He's going to teach me everything i need to know. I'll definitely be taking it very slow my first two weeks. But I'm confident that i can do this. Im very talented and can be good at literally anything I do. Sorry not trying to sound like a D-bag, but I do feel i will be okay. I appreciate your video though! Watched every minute of it! Thanks for sharing!
The weight comes with some of it's own challenges, other than that you're right. It's not quite my first overall since I had a 50cc as a teenager, but my first real bike is a Blackbird and so far it's great. In some ways it's a better beginner bike than a 600cc, the power delivery is so smooth it's actually really easy to crawl around town if necessary. I didn't specifically choose the Bird mind you, it's just what happened to be in the family.
The 650cc class bikes are most likely the best for beginners. Less powerful than 600cc but not super slow like 300cc. Also something like mt07 is good choice.
@@nephewd8818 650cc class bikes are usually 2-cylinder detuned naked bikes. Meanwhile 600cc bikes usually are high revving 4-cylinder trackbikes with high compression ratio. They can have as much as double the power of some of the 650cc bikes
I had zero riding experience and started on a Triumph Street Triple -so far so good and such a fun bike to ride-power when you need it, yet nimble when going for those turns and bends. Yes it has been a steep learning curve at first but even just putting in some weekends on my bike it hasn’t taken that much time to catch on. Exercising some restraint doesn’t mean you will be missing out on anything either-you get to keep riding, building your skills and there will always be those opportunities to really open that throttle. What I recommend is taking a MSF course, that helped me tremendously.
Car guy here but my SO's whole family is into bikes and that's rubbed off on me. Was debating whether to start with a 400 or 600 and this has really helped!
You are very good explaining the risks you are very responsible as I hear you . You have a lot of experience. And you got me thinking about getting more experience before get a 6h . Thanks
Your video is great and actually helped me to understand that my 600 is a good choice for my first bike. Thank you. I wanted an older 600 for looks and sound. Don't care for speed, and I do a lot of highway miles, plus I weight 190ish and I have a very disciplined mindset I just want to be able to go out on weekends and ride with my wife, or shoot up to visit my parents. I wouldn't care if my bike was limited to 80 mph, as long as I can get that high revving 4 cylinder sound.
if you have dirtbike experience, starting on a 600cc in my opinion no worries. apart from that a 400cc bike is all you need to keep away from traffic when you need to, you learn more because they are lighter, if you fuk up it's cheaper and not your dream bike, can be more fun because you can twist that throttle and enjoy using all its power. if you have friends that tease you ditch the tools, and if you can really ride you will beat them up the canyons on a 400cc bike even if there on there 1000cc superbike now thats embarrassing.
Yeah you pretty much summed up my opinion. I don’t think starting on a 600 is good or optimal at all, I’ve seen people do it and have an awesome time, I’ve seen people do it and end up in a coma for 6 months. I still to this day can have a blast on a 400.. I think people who want to start on 600s need to be real as to why. Saying you don’t want to have to upgrade isn’t really feasible when you can get a starter bike and it’ll depreciate less than the insurance increase on the 600 for the time costs. Also most people will want to upgraded nomatter what after awhile, I know I do. The real reason is because 600s are cool and fast.. which is fine.. but isn’t always a great mentality to have for a first bike. All In all, I agree with you for sure
Yeah but that's way below my personal ability/limit. I'm not saying it's a great thing to go fast on the street but there's a difference between somebody who's rode for 2 weeks cracking open the throttle and riding above their skill level and somebody whose rode for years going at a pace they feel is still light. When I first started riding 60 around some turns would've been reckless where I feel like 75 around them now isn't.
Im buying my first bike next month everyone told me to start with a 600 but after watching this i dont think im responsible enough too soooo ill just start with the 400 and see how that goes LMAOOO. Also great advice man you had me at the part where you said if you want to start on the 600 just for power your probably not too responsible bc i know im not lol.
Hell yeah, nothing wrong with that! I’m happy I didn’t start on a 600. I can still have a blast on a 400 now so I don’t understand people’s rush. I know big bikes are exciting and all.. but there’s no reason you can’t have fun on a 400!
All these things when he is talking about slower speeds and speed inertia are spot on. I started on an R7 and my third time out after the MSF and practicing the first two times in an unfinished development area, equipped with sharp turns and stop signs, I made a right hand turn on a normal street from a stop sign and laid down the bike because I stalled mid turn. It was very hard for me at first and still is a little difficult at times at 400 miles of riding when I am in heavy traffic and downtown areas with a lot of stops because of the slower speeds. I have learned much in a short time about feathering the clutch and have gotten much better at it, but still have those awkward moments that remind me of my lack of experience. The difference is that instead of trying to slow down and make the awkward situation worse, I give it more throttle and power through it, which straightens the bike out. Another thing he mentions, it doesn't take much throttle for the bike to lunge forward. Feeling more confident, I've started beginning from second gear, but the other day I stalled the bike during the afternoon lunch rush. The cars in front of me were gaining distance, so I quickly started it up and being frustrated and wanting to catch up, I gave it too much throttle, and the front wheel came off the ground a little. I was happy with my mini wheelie, but it reminded me again to mind my lack of skill and not to relax too much just because I haven't made certain mistakes in awhile.
A guy that I’ve known for a few years convinced me to start on a 600 and I’m so glad he did and the biggest thing he said to me when I was looking for a bike was “just about everyone can start on a 600 and finish on a 600, those who can’t don’t know how to control themselves, just because the power is there doesn’t mean you HAVE to use it”
This is the thing.🙂
Words to live by
I agree with that statement, I think if you're truly dedicated to riding a sporty motorcycle and have self control it can be a good thing. On the flip though some people get into riding and don't truly understand the power that you'll get out of a 600. They just have friends who ride 600s and don't understand the potential of them before they start
What if you start lower just to become a better and faster rider?
@@sambeezy007 I mean you can do that but you def won’t be a “faster” rider. Everyone learns and grows at different paces but me personally I wouldn’t let any of my friends get anything smaller than a 600 cuz I started on a 600 and kept the mentality that if others can do it then so can I and i have been completely fine
You should start with a turbo busa. Hands down the best beginner bike
Your comment has a YammieNoob recommendation video below it on my phone, lol
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The best part about this video is that he hammers on personal responsibility. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
Exact
I bought my first bike in my thirties. I was really looking for a reason to buy a 600. The two reasons I didn't is insurance, but more importantly the ergonomics. I sat down on some 600s and was honest with myself that the learning curve would not be ideal. Glad I started on a MT07. I encourage you to do your research, sit on a lot of bikes and "ride your own bike". Will look at upgrading at some point in the future.
Couldn’t have said it better ✌️
It's not about personally responsibility, it's about a noob sneezing, twisting his wrist by accident, and yeeting himself into oblivion cuz he's on a big bike.
"With great power, comes great responsibility" Uncle Ben
Unc is referring to cooking rice in a 1000w plus microwave
Love that guy
@@Error_4x5bros thinking of the wrong uncle Ben 😭
I think people who struggled through a motorcycle safety course or aren't yet confident should start with a small displacement bike. Self-control is also key when riding medium to large displacement bikes
There's no such as a “beginner” bike. Sometimes you need extra power to get out of certain situations. I started on 600, and I'm glad that I did.
The highway commute is a very good example of how a 600 can save you better than a 300 can when needing to maneuver a dangerous setting
Robbery demands high cc
@@jacobclement7707 it just depends. On the highway you simply have to put yourself in good defensive positions and always have an escape route and think ahead. I’ve ridden my first bike (14’ ninja 300) all over the freeways around Los Angeles and even taken it down to Mexico and back in the rain. But if you aren’t in a good position you will have to use power to get into a better one
You're right just get a hayabusa a ride your life on
@@neburg6685 do you still ride that bike?
I started on a 600 as a first bike. Respect the bike, take the MSF, and take your time learning and you will be just fine.
What’s MSF mean? Sorry I’m kinda dumb
@@charlieterrell8501 motorcycle safety foundation aka basic rider course
@@BostonFanatic617 ahhh ty
@@charlieterrell8501 no worries Motorcycle Safety Foundation. It's the basic rider course to gt your endorsement
Broo my name is Nehemiah too
lol its a very rare name
I started on a 2001 Suzuki SV650 and it was honestly perfect. It was super timid in the low RPMs so it didn't scare me off, but once I got comfortable after a couple of months I started opening it up and having fun. However, I definitely understand the argument against starting on a 650. To each their own!
I think a 650 is the best class for a beginner by far. It has power to grow into but not too much. An sv650 is around 75hp where a bike like the r6 is 115. Add to that the way the power builds and it’s a massive difference. The mt07/sv650/ninja 650 are my go to recommendations for “bigger” first bikes. 🤟
@@JonesBrosGaragehello I’m a noob and don’t know anything, I thought more cc means more speed bow does a more cc has less hp than the less cc…down tuned..?
Started with a GS500 then SV650. 👍🏽
@@Zizzyyzznot the same as an r6 haha
@@Migcrux Who said it was?
I'm one of those guys dead set on a 600. The zx6r to be exact. I've seen every single video online about the topic and the bike itself. I just love watching videos and I've seen damn near every single one of them. Nothing will stray me from starting on my dream bike
Same I just plan on watching more videos to see if I truly want it
That’s unfortunate, your skills will suffer because of it.
@@Critastichow if anything he would be better I’m not taking the msf course ik the controls so why would I and if I spending thousands it’s going to be on something I want
All facts!! It was so easy for me to say I'll just be responsible and stay below or at the speed limit. And then the adrenaline kicked in when I looked around and felt good, weather was perfect, and every temptation was setting in. I bought an 03 cbr because I wanted to prove that you can start on a 600cc and the other half was because I wanted attention. All that went away once I found myself in a parking lot practicing, and feeling so intimidated. I felt irresponsible, and almost embarrassed that I talked the talked but couldn't walk the walk. Had it for 3 months, then crashed it. I lean on the side of riding smaller bikes first and graduating, simply for the fact that you gain the confidence as you learn. Love the video!
I want to start on a 600 not because I wanna go fast right away or anything like that.. I want to start on a 600 bc I don't want to have to upgrade after I get used to it. I think you made a great point in this video when you said it would take a season or two to get used to it first then another two to know its limits and be able to push it to those limits. That's how I see it anyways.
I agree with you! That's why I want a 600 too, I know I'll have power but I don't want to and I won't use it. Just because I have it doesn't mean I'm obligated to use it. And plus....it looks fucking awesome lmao. I definitely wanna be a responsible driver and not die in the process, I know how to control myself and I know my limit :)
I disagree you should buy a 1k obviously.. I started on an 1100.. was 1991 Hurricane so it was slower than today's 400s but was heavy and planted on the road. I also think SIZE comes into play. If you are 6'6" you might just NEED a 1k. My 2c
@@giannacarbajal7003 and then theres me... within a week of getting my license (in a car) i had gone 120 on the highway and 90 down a back road that a lot of my friends speed on...
@@giannacarbajal7003 buy the whole speedometer- use the whole speedometer (at least once ;))
Batman has no limits
I started on a r6 as well and definitely feel like its fast for a beginner bike but with alot of seat time you get the hang of it in like a month
Yeah that’s exactly why I grabbed the R1
@@allgasnobrakes919 Be careful
@Kno Xs not the older models
kinda late but upside to the r6 is theres not rlly much power until your super high into the rpm so you can ease your way in and also you wont have too much power where you dont need aka the city
You are right to a degree. I find it better for somebody to start out on a 300 and really get the feel of how a bike feeds back to you through an entire RPM range. Learn to get comfortable and thrash a 300. Then get a 600. Then, on that 600 you'll be faster than some guys on 1000s...
Personally I think If your starting on a 600 you need to have the most respect and fear for it at the same time, if you don't then you need to start on something slower as you don't really understand how dangerous it really is
I did have respect and fear for it. That’s whyi started on a 300😂
Bro your commentary and advice as a rider probably saved my life. I’m itching for adrenaline but have zero experience as a rider. I didn’t think I would but I watched the entire video and heard everything you said. I think I’ll start on a 400 now. Thank you
same boat here man. I've been really wanting a bike and I tend to be pretty responsible and safe with driving, so I thought a 600 would be fine and it saves me from having to upgrade. but when he was mentioning that if you are the type that you wanna start on a 600, you probably won't be safe on one, and it really resonated with me. I started to think back on the times I've gotten that itch to go fast and started thinking about how all it takes is you pulling that throttle a little too hard one time on a 600cc and bam, you're hurt bad. He really managed to convince me not to get a 600cc and I wasn't even in the cons yet. 400cc here i come!
Yep, I'm also about to get a 400 (Kawasaki Ninja) just to start out. Cheaper, I think $5000 vs $9000 for a 650. Still fast, low hundreds MPH. Better gas mileage too, from 40-ish miles per gallon to 60-ish mpg.
Same was about to get a 600 in few days
@@kingdavey90 you getting new or used? I’m looking at the same bike
@@dilly2023 brand new, 2023, "dark gray/twilight blue"
Always owned 600s myself, and once you get experience, you realize the 600s are probably the funnest bikes to own, as you can just flick & rev them into corners so hard and have a fairly smooth experience throughout the entirety of it. As I'm older now though, I've kind of toned down my aggressive riding...and this is going to honestly sound completely backwards, but I just bought my first 1000 and did so with the intentional purpose of actually riding slower. I've ridden plenty of 1000s even though I never owned one before now, and one thing I learned real quick is you can't flick them around in corners nearly as aggressively. You really gotta learn some self-control with them. They're also geared so much better for not revving to the moon on highway rides, and have better longevity if you're not riding it like a track bike. I'm also a shorter guy being 5'7" and I've always felt like the 1000s I've ridden actually sat a bit lower to the ground and had more comfortable ergos/seats/etc. If I had more time & money I'd probably own both, 1000 for street and 600 for track but I just don't have that option so 1000s for me now
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I thought I made a mistake when I got a 400 but a week later, I crashed and got humbled real quick 😂
Definitely a good example! It happens to the best of us, let alone a beginner. I remember when my brother started on his Ninja 400 he accidently dropped it in the parking lot.. Such a face palm moment. Would be such a shame to see a pretty new sport bike all scratched up from such stupid beginner mistakes. Smart choice though and I hope you stick with the hobby 👍
@@JonesBrosGarage years ago (around 2006), i was following a discussion in a blog, about some advice on the first sport bike to buy.
Some users recommended a 600 (like CBR or R6).. others said "1000cc is a better choice because you have instant power so you don't feel the need to accelerate too much".
Totally crazy
@@iehen it's actually funny. I'd say hilarious if it didn't lead to people getting hurt. Unfortunately I hear discussions like this all the time! It's so mind blowing to me
Shouldve got a 1000 and that wouldn't have happened
@@iehen crazy enough I feel that way when I ride 1000s, my buddy loaned me his bmw s1000rr for a week and I felt like I was on such a rocket with instant power that I didn’t even wanna speed I just preferred cruising around knowing in my head I could take off in a sec like a bat of out hell... Crazy how the mind works haha I use to jump on my 600 and pin it non stop 🤷♂️
Getting my full licence in 3 months I’ve watched over 3000 videos about rpm throttle gears ect and not one has been as perfect as this video , you’ve nailed it on specification dude your video is perfection keep it up
how’s it been goin?
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@@turkishman4202 its not a drivers license its a motorcycle license C:
@@AkiraThe_Great nothing too see here, dont know what your talking about ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Y’all can get a 600, just babie it for a couple months until your confident enough to use some of that power
Exactly. respect the power, go slow, use your head and youl figure out that going full throttle in traffic is a bad idea if you want to keep your bike and your life
@A H First car i ever drove was a scat pack. I didnt die, I didnt wreck. Know why? Im not retarded. I dont need to know every inch and mechanic of a bike or car like a mOtO gP rIdEr because im not a fucking professional racer
@A H "not willing to learn" you cant read, can you?
@A H I got my Kawasaki Zx6r 1 month ago and am riding just fine, I use it everyday on streets highways and sometimes intestate, it’s about control, nobody it’s tryna prove anything buddy.
There’s just people with different options and situations.
Me for example, I wish I could have the chance to start on a low cc, but because of my situation I just can’t take 1 or 2 years to learn, I used the options that I had at the moment, and it worked out pretty well.
@@xzxchx Exactly, it’s literally common sense.
I really like your grip on responsibility and realism. I gotta yfz r3 and quick realized that after have it fall one time a 600 may have been a bit much. U also made a wonderful point as if I would've gotten a 600, I would have missed out on learning the fundamentals of riding as well as nothing to really look forward to in my riding career. I appreciate u making this video and sharing your experiences!
I like the way you do this blog, you explained it so well without crushing on anybody’s ego
I appreciate the feedback! I try to give people non-biased facts in addition to my own opinion. I know people who started on 600s and did fine, so I can’t tell my audience it’s not possible. It’s not what I recommend or would do.. but you definitely can do it if you prefer.
As a beginner who rides on the highway, an R3 is plenty for me. It doesn't feel cheap, it can handle highway speeds just fine, and I wouldn't feel like shit if I dropped it because of how cheap it is. It is also nice to have more of a neutral seated position. Personally, I love driving a 300, it's just really fun to ride a slow bike fast.
R3 is not enough on the highway what are you on
How about for a scawny guy like me, is 300cc enough?
@@jauxed 300 is plenty. However, I would recommend sitting on various bikes and see which one feels most comfortable. An MT-03 will feel completely different than an R3. I fit on the R3 but not so much on the MT-03, for example.
I guess I'll try 'em all as a test ride. Thank you.
@@M16xDr0pSh0tz bro you going 100? I can cruise going 70-80 just fine and I'm not pinning it. Guessing you haven't had an R3?
Really good pros and cons! I currently have an R3 and I'm very happy with my bike. A lot of riders I meet tell me to get a R600 because I can keep up with 1000's but I know for a fact it's very easy to get caught up in having more power and at the end of the day it's all about enjoying the ride..
The R3 is a great little motorcycle. And I truely feel after riding as many years as I have, those people that tell someone to go out and get a 600 or any supersport just so you can "keep up with the liter bikes" are generally the ones that can only go fast in a straight line and aren't that great of a rider. Sometimes, the smaller motorcycles are more fun. Light as hell, nimble and fast into and out of the corners and you can really hone your skills and become an excellent rider on a smaller bike.
Don’t listen to any rider who tells you that you need to upgrade just to keep up with anyone. That’s nonsense, the R3 is a great bike. Enjoy for as long as you need and upgrade only if you want to later on.
I’m on a 155cc and want the R3 so bad. Great sound for me.
i’m about to invest in an r3, i’m excited ☺️
Excellent advice. Brought up things a novice rider would not know about to consider. Thanks very much for a very well balanced presentation. That sounded nerdy but I learned a lot!
I started on a Yamaha R3 I rode that 2 half years straight it taught me everything I needed to know. When I got my GSXR it was natural and I didn’t have to “learn” how to ride a 600 I just got on it and rode because I already had a foundation built with the 300. I ride the 600, the 600 doesn’t ride me.
That’s the advantage with a 300cc a lot people bitch about 300cc it’s smaller, slower BUT you learn a lot better, build confidence, knowledge and control to ride bigger bikes.
It’s also a lot more forgiving if you make a mistake on the 300 vs the 600 I always urge people to start on a smaller bike for safety the power curb is smaller so you can’t go crazy with the throttle like a 600. Also why I don’t recommend 600+ bikes when you’re starting is because if you don’t have the experience built to know how to react you will crash. A 600 has more power and you must know how to react to a situation that puts you in danger on the rode with a bigger bike. That is why I recommend the 300 it’s teaches you this and more while not too crazy on the power were you can focus on LEARNING and not worrying how fast you can go or trying to look cool and impress chicks. All that stuff come later when you’ve learned how to ride, got you foundation, principles and earned your experience. Then you can worry about how fast and safely you can go.
Btw I still have my R3 and still ride it to work.
Same but started on a 650 ninja. By the time I moved up, (3 months later) I just knew what to do
Same boat as you! Peep my R3 in my display pic haha but i started on R3 and glad i did made me more confident and understand riding in a safe manner, I plan to get a gsxr 750 next year or possibly R6 depending but definitely starting on a 300cc at least. Csn give you the time to FOCUS AND LEARN we’ll respecting the Bike!
Your last con is what I usually lead with when someone considers a 600 for their first bike. The power and torque at high rpms is highly underrated. I know quit a few people who got 600s as their first bike and simple mistakes over correcting at higher rpms caused a accident and scarred them from wanting to continue riding. When I got my RX6-rr I was more than content. I’ve chin checked a few guys who had bigger bikes a few times. They had big talk when it came to quarter mile challenges. But they were kinda quiet when I would mention a eight mile. I eventually moved up to a ZX10. And that took me to a whole new level. But all in all.”“IF YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE”” a 600cc class superbike will be all that you need for a long time. But one con you didn’t mention is with taller riders. I’m 6ft, 215lbs. And I think I’m at that threshold. Cause after riding for a while I do look for those breaks where I get the chance to stretch my legs. So that would be something for them to consider when purchasing a smaller super sport motorcycle.
Me at 6'7'' wanting a street bike so hard lmao
Gotta look for something bigger, but I rode dirtbike for about 15 years so I don't think I'd qualify as a total beginner
@@Doodlebob563bro I’m 6’7 and rode a gxsr 600 today first time ever on a bike. The power is definitely terrifying but I don’t look too crazy on it
Enjoyed your video. One "con" that you didn't mention (or I missed it) was the overall weight of the bike. While it may not be as big of an issue with a cruiser with its lower center of gravity, it's definitely a factor with other types making them feel more top heavy. As a very late-in-life beginning rider, I bought a used '04 Yamaha FZ6 for under $3k. I would have preferred something in the lower cc range and more of a cruiser style, but the inventory in my region of a good used bikes is poor, so when this sport touring bike popped up I grabbed it. The most intimidating thing for me was the bike's weight. It's definitely a jump up from the 250cc dual sport that I rode in the MSF class. After a few weeks of making the short commute to/from work, I got used to it and actually appreciate the extra pounds on the freeway. The weight of a larger cc bike is also a "con" when you're trying to get it upright after dropping it. Not too bad if it has side bags propping it up, but quite a challenge when it's flat on its side. Found that out after I accidentally pushed my bike off its kickstand. Thank God I was in my driveway with helpers in the house.
So true the weight is definitely a curve
I used to be totally against someone starting out and learning on a 600. I got over that but I still don't think its the "best" motorcycle to learn on just because of how much trouble an inexperienced rider can get into. The power comes on very fast in the high rpms and its very easy to get stupid on one. I started off with a clapped out 80s honda 400. I rode that for a few years before moving up to a 750 Kawasaki and then a zx6r. And even after all those years, the z6xr still suprised and scared the shit out of me the first time I took it past 14k rpms. I'm a bit older now and found my perfect motorcycle to be the Street Triple 765. Long story short, start on what you're comfortable with, but be careful and use common sense! Stay safe out there.
1000rr starter bike
Very informative video for first riders on a 600. It definitely comes down to being restrictive and respecting the bike. Do NOT test its limits as a new rider, as it can be the last. I hope ppl can take this into consideration.
Everything he says makes sense & all from real personal experience. The case for progression from the smaller beginner bike to faster bigger bikes makes compelling sense. Excellent vid.
I disagree that you shouldn't start on a 600cc, I had never been on a motorbike before I started my lessons, my lessons were on a Ninja 650 and I felt so at ease with it after a couple of lessons. I bought a CBR 650f for my 1st bike, I had it for one summer and then sols it and bought a R1 because I became too comfortable and bored on the CBR. Ultimately, I guess it is all down to the rider, I have always been really sport orientated and had good balance etc. YOU DO YOU!
I started on a FZ6R last week, never rode before besides the street 500 i rode in my msf course 6 months ago. Been super easy to learn on and I've gotten super comfortable with it
That’s awesome! The fz6r is a pretty good bike to start out on! 👍
i started on a 750 gixxer. i truly believe that its up to the rider and self control on the throttle. tbh i was scared of the power it did have but i soon realized i controled the throttle, i didnt have to drive fast YET. so i didnt. i learned the bike, i rode it safely and not fast because i wasnt comfortable. until i got a little more comfortable i started increasing my speed. before i knew it i was more confident but im always cautious. but i can agree a lot of people need to start on a 300 or 400 because some people just dont have that control.
I really appreciate your words of wisdom. I want to get a 600 for my first bike but I agree that it's a lot of power. I think I still will but I'm going to be doing a lot of practicing off the highway.
I started on a 600 and said the same thing. Within 2 hours I was on the highway. Every rider is different but if you respect the throttle a 600 is a great bike that you can keep for a long time.
Dude I freakin love you, I’m looking into getting my first bike and you really changed my entire perspective. 🤞🏾 thank you so much man. I am an adrenaline junkie so I was gonna just get a super sport and learn the ropes. But you’re right that WOULD give me less to look forward to. So thank you for that 👏🏾 safe riding brother I’ll be on 2 wheels shortly 🤝
you might’ve saved my life i was just thinking of getting a 600 for my first bike but have been riding dirt bikes my whole life and this video definitely changed my view on getting a 600
Yo Man! I can't tell you enough how informative this video was. I'm just starting to look into getting my first bike and happened to click on this video. I love how you talked about the pros and cons equally. Thank you so much man. Totally impacted my future decision and provided a ton of clarity. Thanks bro!
The bad downshifts hurt my soul, I think my bike felt them lmfao. Good video but good lord, those down shifts aren't actually doing what they're supposed to do which is take stress off the clutch and I think you just created more lol.
why tf is he revving that hard while downshifting
@@john_prick Bruh no idea lol, I can only think because it's not his bike so he's not used to blipping the throttle on it and the RPM's being able to jump so high that quickly
I have a difficult time downshifting smoothly. Can someone help me better understand it? Seems like you too are in agreement that the video isnt how to do it.. can you tell me how it supposed to be?
@@renay21992 as you downshift, you should “blip the throttle” which means to snap the throttle a little bit and give it gas just as your downshifting so you rev match to the correct gear
I have been riding for a couple months and this guy seems newer than me...
Great Video! got my license in 2020 september, bought a YZF R6 has a first bike! Love it :)
@@IlbryenVT all good! Love my bike. Can’t wait for the season to start here in Norway
@@silverfox9875 keep safe brother.
Please brother be safe out there.
@@mikesan111 thanks brother
i started on a 2019 r6 and on a track i recommend it a lot i learned how to fall off bikes at all speeds learned how to rev match and the whole 9 i definitely think a 600 is a good start as long as you aren’t scared of the bike(it’s also good to be scared of the bike)
great advice man going to buy my first 400 was looking at the 600 because i didnt want to outgrow the 400 too quick but im on a budget so your price advise has made me choose the 400
very compelling cons. i started on a R3 but could never articulate why as good as you have, and frankly didn't think about the lifespan of the riding progression. your arguments make it sound much more enjoyable and rewarding to extend that enjoyment. thanks!
Ive started on a gsxr-750. Not the smartest decision but oh well. I love my baby!
Stay safe !
All about common sense. You'll be fine.
So perfectly tackled cons about throttle handling, weight, turns convinced me to stay within 400cc for a first bike. One of the best videos for newbies wandering for their first bike to watch!
Excellent video! I was convinced for years that I was going to start with a 600. You were the first to convince me to get my fundamentals and technical riding abilities on point with something more forgiving. Thanks!
What bike did you end up getting?
I've honestly watched too many videos about this topic. I'm a new rider on a 250cc dual sport and only one season under my belt. I have been looking to upgrade, so I've been researching a lot about this topic. Something about your video, though, has convinced me to go for the mto3 instead of the mt07 in spring. No other video, despite saying similar things, has led me to this conclusion. I just wanted to say thank you because you never know, maybe you saved my life with this one. Thank you, sir! New subscriber!
Lol.. I dont even started my driving school and i have already MT-07 in a garage.. But i have got a huge respect to it and i will ride it after i try a bigger bike in a driving school first.
Nah, go bigger with the twin or you'll regret it. It's NOT gonna blow you away.....shit, TOO LATE!!!!!
By far the best video i've seen on the topic, you mentioned just about everything
I appreciate the feedback! 👍
My first bike.. 2012 gsxr 600 .. rode it on B mode until i got comfortable which really helped alot!
I started on a gsx600f katana 600cc, I am glad I did. As a beginner the first few weeks I never got on the highway and worked up to 6th gear in a month. If you get a 600 as a beginner its simple ride your ride don't go showing off.
Can agree that this is a good bike. It's like a GSXR, but heavy and better for long distance trips.
Very good video and you touched on many topics that are true to life when it comes to beginners and sport bikes. I've been around long enough to see first hand the negative results of young people getting in over their heads, I even did it riding my 600RR Honda that led to a near fatal crash. I was always a Ducati rider, but decided on getting a 600 to train with to get my racer's license. I had a couple of good club racers mentoring me, but despite that, I shouldn't have been riding like I was the day of the accident and should have taken that to the track instead. I was used to V twin torque and power, not used to the rocket ship performance of the 600 after 7K RPMs. In no time the next tight curve is on you. As you alluded to, much of the issues that get riders in trouble are their own personalities. If they are mature and understand common sense rules, then it doesn't matter what size bike you are riding, but if their ego gets caught up showing off and riding over your limits then it won't be long before trouble comes knocking.
Good advice for any beginner bike rider.
I started on a 600 and rode liter bikes and hayabusas without any issues but I also respected the bike and didn’t act like a moron.
Dude your information has been super helpful I'm planning on getting a R6 for the summer and using it as a daily... I'll be a beginner of course but I've signed up for some lessons on a smaller bike
The lessons are a super smart idea. What year R6? They’re an absolute blast. Just have self control and you’ll grow into it nicely. 👍
Any fallow up if you’ve purchased it yet? I’m currently shopping around for an R6 as well, used model 06-10, but I’ve ridden dirt bikes since I was young. Give me an update man thanks. Let’s all ride safe!
dude you made a simple video about something thousands of riders have made before and you really dug it deep into peoples souls in a great was. you made it actually heart warming to start small. I kind of regret now getting a GSXR 750 as my first bike now man. but not rlly in a bad way. u earned a subscriber bro. keep making videos man your energy and passion is going to really accel your youtube career. You'll reach those youtube mile stones b4 u know it bro. great video.
I started on a 600 back in the day and you do bring up some good points especially if your a younger rider. I stopped riding for 15 years and this past summer I got a 2015 Gsxr 600 and it definitely was better than getting a liter bike. But on the Gsxr 600 you have A and B mode so I started riding in B mode since it’s more forgiving on the throttle. A lot of the newer bikes have so many driver aids that you really don’t get to experience a bike where you need to learn everything. But I don’t agree with the bashing of the 600’s and you can get a 750 instead of liter bike. I took out a ninja 650 about a month after and it was comfortable but got boring really quick. I also think your forgetting that if you ride in a lower mode on a 600 or a 636 it lets you build up to the full power. It also depends on your skill and confidence. If you aren’t confident and know nothing about bikes than a 600 may be too much but it really depends on the riders size and weight. I’m happy I started on a 600 tho and I love it. It’s just like owning a gun you need to respect the bike or it will kill you
So, which do you suggest of the Ninja’s? I’ve been looking at the 25R screamer, the 650 and the 636. I’ve pretty much decided the 400 is probably not the way to go.
yeah, but why buy a bike if you can't handle it in its most extreme mode? seems like an even better reason to just start small. I'm not talking specifically about your case but in the case of a new rider, the modes are there so veteran riders can ride more comfortably not so beginner riders can tone the bike down.
@@GeorgeLista Honda CBR650R blows the Ninja 650 away.
Honestly, this video just made me want a 600 lol
Just bought a z650 for first bike because of this video 😂
Same
probably all dead by now...
@@MrMethadrine lmaooo
@@MrMethadrine 😭😭😭
My first bike was a new Honda cbr1000rr . I never dropped it or had any issues. Start on whatever you want.
Started last season on a CBR300 knowing I wanted to upgrade to a 600 and I rode the hell out of that thing. I really felt like I was able to push the bike to its limits. Sold that bike about a month ago (for a profit actually) and got myself an R6 about a week ago.... First Impressions: Sexy, loud, and STUPID FAST. Really glad I waited at least a season for a 600 and now I'm getting those butterflies all over again. Great Video!
My first bike was a 600 keep in mind I never rode a bike before and only watched videos but as soon as I hoped on it my body took full control,was very light on the throttle for the first week or two getting the handing down in first gear is a must 😅
Would you recommend doing it?
I’m gettin a 636 for my first and never rode before, any tips?
I just did the same got my bike 2 days ago
@@fyb3x890 how’d that turn out? I’m thinking of going the same
@@smoothassociate485 cool got mine a few days ago to, starting on a 600 keeping it safe.
I really appreciate the advice man. I have been wanting a bike for years now, and finally I am in a position where I can save up to buy one, and will take your points into consideration.
Interesting to look at this from the other end .
As an old biker just bought what will be my last bike .
This is the best video I've seen yet. I'm looking at getting my first bike and I was torn between the ninja 650 or the ninja zx6r. I think I'm dead set on the 650 now thanks to this video. I appreciate all the info on it, everyone told me not to start on the 6r but the way you put it out there made up my mind
I appreciate the feedback! Honestly I had a ninja 650 and I LOVED that bike. I’m sure part of it is nostalgia because it was one of my first bikes.. but there’s just something about it. It’s the perfect amount of power for the street. It’s manageable for a new rider and easy for an experienced rider to push hard. I miss it all the time. I kept hearing how fast 600cc bikes were and eventually sold it to find out for myself. Ultimately everyone was right, 600s like the zx6r are a shock after riding a 650. But after the shock and excitement wears off, you’re left with a bike that’s honestly probably not as fun as the 650. I never felt my 650 was “slow” and still to this day don’t. You’ll love it 👍
Thanks Jones Bones Garage.
Want to flat out say you probably saved my life.
I owned an e-bike past two years which I rode illegally, ( Law says 32 kph but there’s a switch you can flick and can do up to 100.), the intent was to gain experience and actually ride a motorcycle.
This is the year I buy.
My boss owns a gixxer 1000 and thought about just doing it and purchase,…Then I thought maybe it might be too much power,…
Thought about getting a 600 instead the I saw your video,…
Inexperienced rider, it makes more sense to graduate and practice,…
You made perfect sense, absolutely relatable, I appreciate you took the time to educate,…
I’ll own that 1000 one day.
That’s what I like to hear! I’d honestly check out 650 class bikes, they’re plenty fast. I’m a big fan of the Aprilia rs660, mt07/r7 and ninja 650. You could do a 600 and just be careful with it, but I almost always recommend 650 class to people with a similar experience to street bikes; ie- dirt bikes or electric bikes like you
Bought my first bike today GSXR 600 I can’t wait to get to practice
Lmao how was it
I’m really enjoying it
How's it going still?
how’d it go
@@squidwarddeep5064 It's great man I love this bike.
Technology-wise I would certainly say the traction control in abs are absolutely safety features to consider
I'm a complete new rider wanting my first bike. My only experience on 2 wheels have been 125cc scooters up until now. I plan to undertake a full biking course with professional riders to help me learn the ropes. After that, I am considering a 600, but your points have been well noted. Great, great video and food for thought.
I appreciate it! Id definitely recommend taking a course I took the MSF when I first started (USA) and I learned alot
I’m currently in between what to go for & this video provided a good amount of clarity. Appreciate it fr.
Started on a 2013 Daytona.
ABS saved my life, and I sold her running.
Upgraded to the 765 and it feels solid.
I appreciate this video. My first bike was a gsxr 750 because I just looked for a sports bike at a deal and this was one that was on its way to the grave. Two years later it broke and this is two years after that and I'm looking at getting a bike again. You're right, I rode my 750 and immediately my friends 500s didn't feel as fun because of the lack of power. I was wondering if I should go back and get a 400 to really nail all the basics down before I get a 600 (750 is completely unnecessary haha) or if I'd even got the opportunity to get a 600 if I already committed to a 400. This video gave me a lot of insite, thank you!
What did u choose ? I got gxsr 750 1998 and still havent ridden it kinda scared tbh
@@nikolanojic6861 you ridden it yet?
I learned on a Vmax 1200 (130hp)
Then bought a CBR600 and miss the Vmax. Back to the Vmax I go.
I started on a Ninja 650R being a big guy, and I kinda regret not getting a 600 instead. Not only the riding triangle of the footpeg, handlebar, seat, etc but also the suspension is super soft on the 650. Although I've adjusted the preload all the way to the maximum, it still rides like a truck (and acceleration too). I could've just ridden in my truck with AC fully blasted when I sit in the daily traffic. I recently bought a 700 again in neo-cafe style, 5 years after selling my ninja.
Learned how to shift on a 125cc 4t pitbike when i was really young, got comfortable shifting and started riding suped up scooters on the road. So i learned road etiquette from riding the scooter. Put those 2 skills together and decided to buy a 21 zx6r 636 ninja for my first actual motorcycle in July 2021. Fast forward to now, Jan 2022, the new bike has 6700 miles on it, and i bought 2 more bikes that i put a ton of miles on as well. Super comfortable on all of them and the best part is, i only had to focus on traffic because the shifting and road etiquette have been engrained in my instincts for years and years now. So the best thing is learn all the controls so it's 2nd nature, then you can pretty much ride anything.
I agree with that, when I first started riding I was 16ish (old enough to comprehend it's dangerous) and it was alot to learn at once. Riding from when you're young helps alot but like you said really understanding the controls is huge. And learning on a big "scary" bike when you don't even know the controls is difficult. I started on smaller bikes too but regardless what helped me progress in riding as well as driving sports cars is understanding how they work. For example, Once I understood how a clutch worked and why you need one I felt more comfortable with it. I'm not sure if that's just me or that would help other people too
Man the riding paths you have look so much fun, here in LA it’s rare you that much space and car free zones
I bought an r1 as my first bike…absolutely love it!!
Have you rode prior to that?
Ridden dirt bikes my whole life and that’s it
I started on a KTM Duke 200 but 10 months later got a 2017 GSXR1000 absolutely no regrets aswell
My first bike I wanted to start on was a 2019 BMW S1000R. I learned more about motorcycles, then found out that the '1000' in the S1000R meant that it was super powerful, so I dropped to a 600cc and started looking at different 600cc bikes. Found out that the 600cc was still a bit too powerful. Started looking at 300cc and seen the different style bodies and the sound of the small engines....HORRIBLE! The way you sit up right, the the view from the cockpit, the small windscreens, and the gokart sounding engines.
The bike that I WAS interested in was the KTM RC 390 because it has that slouched-over position and it wasn't too slow, but then to find out, it isn't reliable as other bikes. A week ago, I found a new love, which was the Kawasaki Ninja ZX25R(250cc) with 4 cylinders, looks fast, slouched over position, and sounds badass. Guess what?.... the bitch isn't sold in the US...
Here's the bike..ua-cam.com/users/shortsla7w8jjer58?feature=share
Now here I am debating over starting on a 300cc or 600cc....again..
Lmfao now thats a dilemma. I'm 44 and yet to do my license lol
@@comedicsketches I chose the 2021 Yamaha R3. Not too fast and not too slow.
@@comedicsketches Yea, I might end up keeping it and owning 2 bikes
31:45
@Sigrid Kaag First bike.
0:43 you really shouldnt ride with all that text in your view, it's really dangerous
Brother you spoke to my soul probably just saved my life
That’s awesome! That’s my goal with making these videos! If you want a bike with some power but something I still think is appropriate for a new rider, check out the ninja 650 or Yamaha mt07!
Good video, I am currently booked for my test. Been a long long dream to have a R6 like you said maybe not the best move but only bike I've wanted really. I'm nearly 40 and I do appreciate the power of these and will respect it.
Decent statement mate, you have basically said everything that might relate a beginner rider. I personally started with a 07 R6 and did 200+ on the fourth day(I m alive and healthy now), which is still a kinda regret.
Btw, I also have an EVO 9 and a subaru STI GVF, so instagram followed.
Cheers mate, best of luck.
Shoot, I have an evo 8 aswell and I’ve been wanting a bike for a while. This video gave me a lot of knowledge and actually convinced me to start on a slower / and more comfortable bike.
In my opinion don’t listen to what people say go off your mind set
I want to start riding again. Thinking of a 1,000. I used to ride a 125 in the past and I think it's time to graduate.
@@chanhyun4412 holyyyyy dude
@@chanhyun4412 that’s just idiotic
100% if u have decent hand/eye coordination and your male definitely start on a 600 I did with zero problems never dropped it once !
No worries, you will drop it eventually, everyone drops the bike eventually... XD
@@singsovanneth8616 no way lol absolutely zero shot in hell I'll ever drop a bike I've been riding to long now ... is it possible I low side on a track rippin someday maybe but as far as dropping it or panic on the rode and fall or something absolutely not no way in hell if your a good athlete riding a motorcycle is a cake walk
@@gshell2520 that’s what I was thinking, there’s surely a difference in an athletic person starting vs non athletic person riding, I too was thinking if you’re a athlete you have a better chance at just being good quicker and adapting but idk, you’r reaction time and just overall getting used to the bike will be faster, atleast that’s what I’m assuming I’ve never owned a motorcycle let alone an r6 but I hope one day
@@SSovereignmaTT yes definitely man go get a bike you'll never experience what the true feeling of freedom is until you ride off on a motorcycle it's to fun 🤙
👀 Did you seriously just imply women can't handle a 600 as a starter bike? All it takes is dedication, carefulness, and practice, and anyone can successfully learn on one.
Great video listened to every word. I was 18y old and was on a litter CBR 200+. Young and dumb. Haven't rode since I was 19. Now 42 and wiser not as bold. Great video man. Be safe riders.
In 2 weeks I'll be buying a 1996 YZF 600 aka The Thundercat as my first sports bike. I'm 6 foot 170lbs and just feel a 250 is to small for me. I've driven plenty of dirt bikes and understand the concept. I am 34 years old and feel I'm pretty responsible. I'm going to spend 2 hours in a parking lot before i go out onto the road and my father who has years of experience of riding is going to be with me the entire time. He's going to teach me everything i need to know. I'll definitely be taking it very slow my first two weeks. But I'm confident that i can do this. Im very talented and can be good at literally anything I do. Sorry not trying to sound like a D-bag, but I do feel i will be okay. I appreciate your video though! Watched every minute of it! Thanks for sharing!
It’s all about self control. Started on a 1000cc with no experience other than riding a bicycle and I have zero regrets .
The weight comes with some of it's own challenges, other than that you're right. It's not quite my first overall since I had a 50cc as a teenager, but my first real bike is a Blackbird and so far it's great. In some ways it's a better beginner bike than a 600cc, the power delivery is so smooth it's actually really easy to crawl around town if necessary. I didn't specifically choose the Bird mind you, it's just what happened to be in the family.
I’m 5’2 a girl and started on a 750... taught myself. The hardest part of riding is going slow
Damn that thing must be a heavy ass thing to start on especially being 5’2
Why are you 5'2
@@PHERNO_ Why aren't you 5'2?
The 650cc class bikes are most likely the best for beginners. Less powerful than 600cc but not super slow like 300cc. Also something like mt07 is good choice.
I'm confuse. How does a higher cc have less power than a lower cc but more power than an even lower cc?
@@nephewd8818 650cc class bikes are usually 2-cylinder detuned naked bikes. Meanwhile 600cc bikes usually are high revving 4-cylinder trackbikes with high compression ratio. They can have as much as double the power of some of the 650cc bikes
I had zero riding experience and started on a Triumph Street Triple -so far so good and such a fun bike to ride-power when you need it, yet nimble when going for those turns and bends. Yes it has been a steep learning curve at first but even just putting in some weekends on my bike it hasn’t taken that much time to catch on. Exercising some restraint doesn’t mean you will be missing out on anything either-you get to keep riding, building your skills and there will always be those opportunities to really open that throttle. What I recommend is taking a MSF course, that helped me tremendously.
Car guy here but my SO's whole family is into bikes and that's rubbed off on me. Was debating whether to start with a 400 or 600 and this has really helped!
Honestly my dude, go 650!! Mt07, ninja 650, Aprilia rs660, r7. Best of both worlds and good for a first bike
The insurance for my suzuki gsx600f is $22 a month lol
Start on whatever you want. I started on a CBR1000RR
The bike will only go as fast as you twist the throttle.
I really want a KTM Duke 390 as my first bike, don't know why just love the look of the bike.
Me too
You are very good explaining the risks you are very responsible as I hear you . You have a lot of experience. And you got me thinking about getting more experience before get a 6h . Thanks
No problem! Check out the r7/ninja 650/mt07/sv650!
Your video is great and actually helped me to understand that my 600 is a good choice for my first bike. Thank you. I wanted an older 600 for looks and sound. Don't care for speed, and I do a lot of highway miles, plus I weight 190ish and I have a very disciplined mindset
I just want to be able to go out on weekends and ride with my wife, or shoot up to visit my parents. I wouldn't care if my bike was limited to 80 mph, as long as I can get that high revving 4 cylinder sound.
Any updates?
I started on a 600 it was easy been riding 1 year and 6 months
Thanks was stuck between choosing a 300 and 600 cc. Going ahead with the 300, possibly a MT-03
Just found your channel... keep up the good work...
I appreciate it!
if you have dirtbike experience, starting on a 600cc in my opinion no worries.
apart from that a 400cc bike is all you need to keep away from traffic when you need to, you learn more because they are lighter, if you fuk up it's cheaper and not your dream bike, can be more fun because you can twist that throttle and enjoy using all its power. if you have friends that tease you ditch the tools, and if you can really ride you will beat them up the canyons on a 400cc bike even if there on there 1000cc superbike now thats embarrassing.
Yeah you pretty much summed up my opinion. I don’t think starting on a 600 is good or optimal at all, I’ve seen people do it and have an awesome time, I’ve seen people do it and end up in a coma for 6 months. I still to this day can have a blast on a 400.. I think people who want to start on 600s need to be real as to why. Saying you don’t want to have to upgrade isn’t really feasible when you can get a starter bike and it’ll depreciate less than the insurance increase on the 600 for the time costs. Also most people will want to upgraded nomatter what after awhile, I know I do. The real reason is because 600s are cool and fast.. which is fine.. but isn’t always a great mentality to have for a first bike. All In all, I agree with you for sure
🙂👍
thank u so much, i realize that starting with a beginner bike will be much better then starting with a pro bike
31:50 OKAY POINT TAKEN.... I was like "GEEZUS STOP SLOW DOWN" xD
Think I'll get the ninja 400 👀
lol “ his riding is very reckless” as he cranks it on a turn 😂
Yeah but that's way below my personal ability/limit. I'm not saying it's a great thing to go fast on the street but there's a difference between somebody who's rode for 2 weeks cracking open the throttle and riding above their skill level and somebody whose rode for years going at a pace they feel is still light. When I first started riding 60 around some turns would've been reckless where I feel like 75 around them now isn't.
Im buying my first bike next month everyone told me to start with a 600 but after watching this i dont think im responsible enough too soooo ill just start with the 400 and see how that goes LMAOOO. Also great advice man you had me at the part where you said if you want to start on the 600 just for power your probably not too responsible bc i know im not lol.
Hell yeah, nothing wrong with that! I’m happy I didn’t start on a 600. I can still have a blast on a 400 now so I don’t understand people’s rush. I know big bikes are exciting and all.. but there’s no reason you can’t have fun on a 400!
All these things when he is talking about slower speeds and speed inertia are spot on. I started on an R7 and my third time out after the MSF and practicing the first two times in an unfinished development area, equipped with sharp turns and stop signs, I made a right hand turn on a normal street from a stop sign and laid down the bike because I stalled mid turn. It was very hard for me at first and still is a little difficult at times at 400 miles of riding when I am in heavy traffic and downtown areas with a lot of stops because of the slower speeds. I have learned much in a short time about feathering the clutch and have gotten much better at it, but still have those awkward moments that remind me of my lack of experience. The difference is that instead of trying to slow down and make the awkward situation worse, I give it more throttle and power through it, which straightens the bike out.
Another thing he mentions, it doesn't take much throttle for the bike to lunge forward. Feeling more confident, I've started beginning from second gear, but the other day I stalled the bike during the afternoon lunch rush. The cars in front of me were gaining distance, so I quickly started it up and being frustrated and wanting to catch up, I gave it too much throttle, and the front wheel came off the ground a little. I was happy with my mini wheelie, but it reminded me again to mind my lack of skill and not to relax too much just because I haven't made certain mistakes in awhile.
As a beginner, this was really helpful, thanks for talking this through.