The End of SLIPKNOT (as we know it)
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- Опубліковано 7 лис 2023
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Jay Weinberg is kicked out of Slipknot. Is this the end of Slipknot? Why did Jay Weinberg leave Slipknot? Who is the new drummer of Slipknot?
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It’ll be just corey and clown left by 2025
And then just clown by 2026
To be fair 2 members left due to illness and death and one left due to a legal battle, only 1 has left for an unknown reasonable reason. Jay wasn’t an original member so I don’t count him
I think I read that Corey is even having health problems lately so he might not make it to 2025.
Clow and Corey and Son’s!
And then Cory will turn it into a wrestling themed musical like he always wanted
“Jay sounds like an unreasonable person behind the scenes”
Gonna be honest, I’m not sure the dude making that statement, or really anyone else watching this video has worked with Jay, but I’ve worked with Jay on quite a few projects now, and I’ve known him even longer than we’ve been working together, and I can honestly, 100% without a doubt say that I have never EVER seen an unreasonable side to him. He’s never been anything short of polite and super into whatever the “thing” at hand is. I’ve seen him deal and interact with thousands of fans and he gave them a fantastic experience every time. When it came to money, nothing was ever weird between us, and again, he truly went above and beyond for the stuff that we did together when he quite frankly, didn’t have to. He could’ve easily just did what we were supposed to do and moved on, but he was very involved and productive with all of it.
Granted, I’m not in the band or on the label so I can’t tell you anything about that side of things, but what I can say as someone who’s known him for the better part of a decade, and has actually worked with the dude on a professional level as well, is that he’s a real one. And being as involved in the fan base as I am, I can also tell you he was very treasured amongst the fans. I can’t speak on behalf of anyone else that’s done business with him, but I definitely wanted to throw out my 2 cents for the dude because I respect him so much on a personal level BECAUSE of my interactions with him. I think that says something, right?
Not picking sides or saying anything about anyone, but I am very sad to see Jay go. He brought an essence to the band that alot of us can agree we love and hadn’t seen for a while before he joined.
The assumption it's because he's a diva is so weak. He was super young when he was in madball/AM, and people grow up. If he was that obnoxious I doubt he'd have even passed slipknot's hazing stage
i dont know jay, obviously. I also know how you cant assume but i kinda feel like even through videos and social media, how he interacts with people and what people who work with him say about him that he's a genuinely nice guy. also, i hate AJ. Goode.
@@veenoir1991 damn how you gonna spell my last name wrong like that lol
@@TheHouseOfMasks lol ngl I didn't even notice. My bad, brother.
@@veenoir1991 I’m just messing with ya lol
I'm not a huge fan of Slipknot, but it was disappointing news. Jay's story on paper lends to a lot of empathy. Imagine being a big fan as a little kid, your dream coming true by joining the band and then "parting ways." Just that part of it, not knowing what happened, is sad for anyone to see.
The way they worded it was very dismissive of Jay. They basically said Joey was great, Jay was a serviceable copy machine. They didn't need to bring Joey's name into it, especially right away. A band of their stature knows how to properly word public statements. That was an unnecessary, purposeful dig.
But also a nod to the stans who would be upset if they didn't acknowledge Joey up front.
He just got Newstead'ed.
100% agree! Basically saying Jay is not creative enough.. that's really sad..
@@kimosavage7478, right? How can you call this a creative decision when Jay's drumming on the last few records has been outstanding, and while taking notes from Joey has been incredibly original.
people forget they actually did joey almost the same way tho when they booted him out..
I think the reason why people feel so strongly about Jay Weinberg leaving Slipknot is that apart from the main Slipknot 9, he was number 10 in a way. Jay was a child when he got into Slipknot as a fan and became like a mascot for the band. Then as Jay gets older he joins the very band he was a fan of as a child, that’s a very interesting and heartwarming story really.
He didn't realize that Slipknot is a business. And now the business no longer needs him. It's rough.
It's literally just like Rockstar the movie.
@@LicoriceLaintrue but in my opinion where are they going to find a better drummer than Jay.
We love and accepted Jay bc of the way he handled replacing Joey. He respected Joey and showed more interest and empathy then any of the other members of the band. In turn, we loved him back! IMO.
If they put clowns little brat in the seat I will be done
@@craigmahaney4369 Plenty of better drummers than Jay, dude... the whole metal scene that isn't nu metal has better drummers than Jay. They could even hire random no-name Jazz drummers if they felt like it. The skies the limit for them.
I think the reason for the strong reaction is that back in the days, they all talked about "We are the nine" and stuff, and Paul's death seemed to bring them even more closer. Since that, they fired Joey, had an ugly breakup with Chris Fehn and parted ways with Craig Jones. Jay was seen like someone who was definetly more than a session musician, someone who's definetly a member of the family, so firing him can be seen as a sign that Slipknot is no more than a business organization led by Clown and Corey, and that disappoints a lot of people given their history.
Corey: You’re all part of our family!
SLIPKNOT: Let’s keep everyone in the dark! 🤫
Corey and Clown straight up decided their family values include a class system.
Keep send him money and eating his bs
Wouldn’t be slipknot if they didn’t 😂
Finding a 1-to-1 replacement for Joey was an impossible task. But Jay was as good a replacement as you could get. The technicality was there, the passion was there… even his mannerisms seemed on point.
As you pointed out, I doubt this was a creative decision. It was a money decision. Look what happened with Chris. They even parted ways with Craig after all of these years.
Craig to be honest seems like he left on his own terms imo but I’m not sure
I think Craig said to hell with this shit and said y'all mf's ain't firing me. But I do believe that firing Jay was a money decision all the way. Jay is top notch at what he does. I'm sure there was some conflict and Corey said bye bud
Joey didn't just leave the band. They kicked him out in the same way they are doing to Jay, and completely blindsided him. He was a founding member of the band! It was speculated that it was because the band thought Joey was on drugs, when in all actuality he was dealing with the early symptoms of MS and didn't know it (Not 100% sure on that again, just heard it numerous times as speculation). They kicked him out and turned their backs on him completely. As someone who literally grew up on the OLD Slipknot, I never forgave them for that. Joey is/was and always will be my fave Slipknot member. It doesn't surprise me in the least that they did this again now, but let's hold their feet to the fire for Joey too! RIP Joey Jordison, Always #1.
Agreed 100% .
ignoring the fact that heroin and cocaine use can worsen symptoms of MS
@@thorn5937 It was transverse myelitis. Drug use would have likely pushed it into a full blown MS. Guarantee Joey was taking care of himself by the time a diagnosis came around, otherwise he would have been diagnosed with MS. I've been in the field for almost 10 years.
Corey and Shawn kicked him out. They are the two that own Slipknot. the rest of the band are like independant contractors and not owners or shareholders in the company that is Slipknot. Same shit happened with Chris Fehn
Tranverse Myelitis is suspected to often be exacerbated or even _caused_ by the drug use lol
I Loved Jay for how interactive he was with fans. I remember he would record livestreams of himself just jamming and he'd leave comments under drum covers all the time. He was so genuine and it feels so awkward.
Jay wasn’t a founding member but he carried the energy of a founding member and was the only one in the new lineup that brought that slipknot feeling
Y'all forget Jay's dad is Max, drummer for Springstein. The dude has been in the professional music industry since he was born and has a level of professionalism instilled in him that bands like MADBALL just can't grasp. He's there to play music, period. Perhaps Jay would be better suited as a studio drummer or for a major pop tour. Like you said, Jay can literally play anything he feels like so the fact that he can have freedom without having to subscribe to a lifestyle is pretty damn respectable.
Yeah, definitely Jay has nothing to worry about moving forward. You can't get much more of a drummer than he is.
Of course the legacy money doesn't hurt either
Yeah but growing up rich with a famous father can also make you an asshole. We don't know how he acts in terms of business or with his band behind the scenes.
@@slipknotpurity00 well somebody should warn the rest of the current band that has kids in the music industry right now like Corey's kid.
If Jay was bringing a very high level of professionalism in his early twenties/thirties while everyone else in the band is partying all the time in their forties and fifties, I can see how that would be perceived as arrogance.
This is a weird take. But I feel like perhaps Jay was becoming more of a personality than the band wanted.
He is a fantastic drummer.
He is a fantastic artist.
He sounds like a generally very likable person.
People LOVE Jay for whatever reason they do.
People also love the story of Jay.
Clown also does these things and is...well...heavily criticizedfor for it and Jay is just "better" at all of it publicly.
Then again, maybe Jay want to make bangers and the band wants to just move to their new jazzy style. Who knows, I'm too drunk to get my words out ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
And this is exacly why El Estepario Siberiano will NOT be their new drummer, as so many people are wanting to see. He's a big personality and Trahan won't want to be overshadowed by anybody
@@chrisroberts4255 I wish people would shut up about this guy. Going from doing covers in your bedroom to being in one of the biggest bands in the world is more than a bit of a long shot. Oh, and it's Crahan.
Hooray being drunk.
@@FlyboyHelosim Well, that happen before, so... And the guy play in bands before and toured around the world.
So its not the big shot you're implying.
Well nah, Clown doesn't do what Jay did, he just twats beer kegs with a baseball bat and seems like an asshole whereas Jay is an incredible drummer and seems like a genuinely cool guy
Joey was self taught !! R.I.P. #1 GOAT !! Jay you had some GIGANTIC shoes to fill and did a helluva job ! Good luck to you and whatever path you take.
"Firing someone that the fans love and replacing him with your son?"
Also known as "Van Halening".
"Nobody can replace Joey (even though we did the same shit to him)"
Jay was definitely not a fill in member. The drumming on WANYK are sublime and some of the best in all of Slipknot's music. He'll never replace Joey in the history books, but man did he put a stamp on it with that album
Nope.
Yeah dude people loved Joey and that’s great they should he was a drumming god but Jay never gets the credit of being great as well , he was phenomenal with Slipknot I just don’t understand why bands change to be changing , I think they will lose a lot of fans with these decisions !!!!!
Yeah dude people loved Joey and that’s great they should he was a drumming god but Jay never gets the credit of being great as well , he was phenomenal with Slipknot I just don’t understand why bands change to be changing , I think they will lose a lot of fans with these decisions !!!!!
@@paulletchworth2036thats just modern slipknot. The real talent get ignored while Corey and Clown reap all the fame for themselves
I don’t remember who said it, it might’ve been you, but I always loved the idea of “It FELT like Joey always tried to play faster than the human body should be capable of”. Like he was breaking past some hypothetical anatomical barrier and playing EVEN HEAVIER than he should have been able to. And that’s just such a good description for what it sounds and feels like.
His snare fills are a perfect example of that. Every time I'd try one out I'd be like "shit, there's *more* paradiddles stuffed in there somehow?"
I think that’s pushing it a bit. He was a great drummer yes but pushing to play faster than the human body is capable? Naw,there’s plenty of other drummers who would drum circles around him blindfolded. Check out SAMUS. Joey could never have played at that level.
@@frodosfrostbiteJoey could play while rotating and being upside down. No one can do that man
Joey and Paul were SO integral to the sound of Slipknot and the band hasn't even been close to the same since they both passed.
Joey is the Godfather of modern Metal Drumming, his incorporation of Blast Beats and super fast double bass into " Nu Metal " inspired so many young drummers( including Jay )
and you hear his style all over Death Core , Metal Core , Djent etc.......
He can not be replaced and honestly Slipknot hasn't done anything Great since he was kicked out.
Joey was great on Slipknot, but "Godfather of modern Metal Drumming"?! Not even close.
@@andrepereira744what metal drummer from the 2000s had the biggest impact on metal if not Joey then?
@@austinwiebe3801 Only if you mention something Joey did drumwise that hasn't been done by other metal drummers, before.
And please don't mention "super fast double bass" (there were and are drummers much faster than him in that department) or worse, blast beats (when his blasts were weak and he only used them for a few seconds on a few songs. and again, there were other drummers doing that, only much "better") like the OP did.
@@austinwiebe3801there's a lot. Thomas Haake, Adrian Erlandsson, Nick Barker... And is slipknot metal?
@@randelmatt Fair enough, great drummers, but impact on the scene? I think a lot more people were inspired by Joey imo. Influence is a hard thing to prove though, and this isn't a hill I'm willing to die on lol. And what genre would Slipknot be if not for metal? Distorted guitars, fast tempos, harsh vocals... if we're just considering their early stuff it would be hard to argue any genre other than metal wouldn't it?
I think part of why people are reacting the way they are is because Jay was much more of a face to the public than other members of the band. He is all over social media and stuff. People got to know him well compared to some of the other members. I also think that could be part of the "fit" problem. He isn't cryptic enough for clown
I think this is a really big part of the reaction. He was always posting drum cam footage and other behind the scenes peaks on social media. He really seemed to enjoy being in the band and everything that came with it. The fans saw the same enthusiasm for the band they had in Jay.
I was done with Slipknot after the first three albums to be fair. After Paui and Joey died, it stopped beeing a band and became a business for Clown and Corey. Glad I got to see them with OG line up twice.
Same
Never had the chance to see them… I remember when All Hope Is Gone was released and got a lot of shit… now it seems iconic haha
I’ve paid little to no attention to anything they’ve released since All Hope Is Gone
Vol 3 was the last great slipknot album, AHIG isn’t terrible but I checked out around that time and haven’t really paid attention since.
Hey look. Its the "I stopped listening group."
Nah man Jay was not just a fill in dude, he was great, you hardly talked about his drum parts on the albums he was actually on
the most ironic thing is Slipknot as brand and as a business saying "no one can ever replace Joey" when it was them that kicked Joey out of the band to begin with, Joey made it pretty clear that it was not his decision to leave the band and that they just sent him and email saying he was out, they kicked Chris out, and now they "part ways" with Craig and Jay in 2023, these legitimately all just sound like money decisions 🤷♂
So much for “we will always be family” Corey and Clown are so full of shit
this genuinely makes me sad. jay contributed so much to the band. he seems creative, genuine, and very down to earth. i wish him success on his next journey
What do you think he contributed? I think Slipknot have been in a steady decline since all hope is gone, ending in their current cringey unlistenable butt-rock.
@micksharp3167 but that's not everyone's opinion. You don't speak for all slipknot fans
Jay is better off in a band that isn't a product/business I believe he has a passion for real music
@@lance___real music doesn’t pay, long as he’s good with that
@@micksharp3167 the gray chapter and we are your kind say otherwise. These albums are amazing
Yeaahh pretty slippery slope its been. 😢 Everything started falling apart after Paul died. He really seems to have been the glue holding the brotherhood of 9 together.
He seemed like such a great guy I can see why his personality made everyone in the band come closer to each other. That was the magic of the 9.
Paul and Joey were the heart of this band -- the creative and emotional core. Paul's death really broke Joey -- both emotionally and in terms of his sphere of influence in the band. Once Joey was ousted, it was only a matter of time. They're done.
Joey is the Dimebag of drums. Objectively, there are better musicians. Other people can play what they played. But nobody will ever replicate the tone and style.
I would agree dime had feel and just played like a god
So did Joey he had feel and also played like a god
You could say the same with vinnie he had feel and power
Objectively, the best drummer is Carl Palmer from Emmerson Lake & Palmer. Literally no drummer in history has mastered percussion to the level he has. I know, because I have an Uncle who is obsessed with that stuff.
If I have to guess, Jay wasn’t getting along with certain members of the band and was kicked out, or Jay either wanted to be paid more, or wanted to be made an official member and wanted percentages of royalties and merchandise. It’s possible we will never know why he left because I’m sure NDAs have been signed.
Whatever happened it’s unfortunate because Jay is a good drummer and his playing is very good on the albums and live.
It was most likely money related because well thats why anyone in slipknot got fired. It was the main reason anyway
Jay was the classic kid with big dreams who made it. Jay was truly #10. This makes me so sad
Creative decision probably means financial decision. That or he got in the way of Clown or Corey’s egos.
Jay was enamoured by the fans because he was one of us growing up.
I think what really kills me is the post from slipknot bidding farewell. Like i get it, they are a business so ‘we wish him well in his future endeavors’. Whatever. But to bring Joey into it, the guy who died, that they (allegedly) kicked out of the band. ‘He will never replace joey that we fired but he did his best. Its so passive aggressive. Like ‘you cant break up with me because my dad died and im traumatized’.
Man, you really nailed the essence of Joey's style (and Rev's). I've always used the term "unhinged". As a drummer, I loved it. Very distinctive.
Edit: that Loudwire list is complete bullshit. El Estepario Sibriano or Eloy Casagrande (Sepultura) are obvious choices right now.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of Estepario Siberiano, have been following since he started the channel, but he is just fast and overplays everything. If you listen to any Joey (or Jay) drum lines, being fast is not the most important aspect of them.
100% Joey Jordison and The Rev are cut from the same cloth
@@alaskaaa684 I think he's at least aware of how much he overplays. He has a disclaimer on most of his videos stating "This is NOT the way this song is supposed to be played." So, to me, it seems he's just having fun and seeing what he can do with it, not focused on playing faithfully. I think within a band like Slipknot, he'll definitely play those songs album perfect to honor that legacy. Now, the question is -- would he walk away from his current rather lucrative career as a creator to put on a mask and fade into a collective for hired gun pay? Who can say.
El estepario siberiano said he would not accept if asked and then named a few drummers he thinks would be perfect for the job.
@@eoghancallaghy2634 I think his top choice was Eloy. But, he's made some moves recently that suggest he's got something big coming up -- leaving his band, pumping the brakes on his YT channel a bit. He could already be under an NDA right now and is just covering his ass. All purely speculative, of course. I personally don't think he would leave his current situation for Slipknot, but you never know.
Joey's delivery was like suppressive machine gun fire... The delivery is precise, getting there is noisy... It's awesome
Slipknot is going to be a legacy act. Sooner or later, Corey and Sean's sons will both be in the band. It will be rough when mick Jim or sid go
They might as well fire everyone and just go pop might as well after their last album
Die hard Fans don’t want the band to go! But we already know at this point nobody maters on stage, it’s the mask not you!
Some of us actually care about human legacy’s rather then switching someone for another just to continue the music! We care about the care and the impact of people’s lives in the band.
But some of the fans just want them to keep going and keep losing members. :/
The person and their legacy > replace, replace and continue!! 😶
Joey jordison reminds me of Dimebag Darrell or somebody like Jimi hendrix. Why I say that is when you hear them you know exactly who it is just like when you hear the drummer of the band Disturbed you pretty much know it's disturbed. But at the end of the day Joey was amazing he might not be the most technical drummer out there but he sure as hell put on a hell of a high energy performance
Glad you keep uploading on UA-cam, cant catch your Twitch anymore, love the content
Slipknot fans are more upset when Jay Weinberg was kicked out of slipknot than when Joey Jordison was kicked out.
There's a big difference between filling Joey's shoes with his songs live vs filling Joey's shoes in the studio. Yeah, Jay can play Joey's songs live, but the dude can not write anywhere close to Joey. When Slipknot came out, the drumming was one of the main things people talked about. Every album with Joey, the drumming stood out. With Jay, he just sounds like a generic metal drummer with the stuff he writes. He never fit Slipknot, in my opinion. I 100% understand them letting him go as a creative decision. I think they're going to find a drummer that can play Joey's stuff live, but can also write similar to Joey for when it comes to make another album. I think the band wants that old Slipknot drumming sound back. Now that they dont have Roadrunner breathing down their necks telling them what to do, they can take the time to find the drummer that perfectly fits Slipknot.
It doesn't make sense with the way Slipknot are headed that they'd program the drums. They've never been this super tight industrial-esque band that sounds like a machine. Multiple layers of real drums have been the heart of Slipknot from day one.
Someone on Instagram said the band went downhill as soon as Clown started replacing members with cardboard cutouts of themselves and I couldn’t agree more 🤣
If Joey and Paul was here today, they’d be disgusted by how their band and legacy is being tret. The band now seems like its the ‘Shawn n Corey’ show.
I wont be surprised if Jim is the next to go. It was one of the main reasons why he left Stone Sour, after disagreements with Corey
Joey will never be forgotten
What might be adding to Joey's sound is that back then, i heard they didn't play or record to a click but just went by feel. Sid said this gave them a "punk feel" and made the music so intense, also probably added to the groove as it wasn't overtly technical and machine-accurate playing. But i don't know if they have continued doing it like this after Joey left.
I edited a podcast a couple years ago with Jay as a guest. I was able to see some behind the scenes due to the nature of work and he seems like a really genuine guy who really cares about his work. Wasn’t a fan of new Slipknot at the time but became a fan of Jay after that experience.
I learned his dad was a very well-known and successful drummer himself. So it makes me wonder if Jays upbringing possibly makes it difficult for him to relate with other musicians in Slipknot and in general? Curious to see how this unfolds.
Any time a band says a member is leaving because of creative decisions it means they didn't get along.
It means money was part of it.
Joey Jordison's "sloppiness" was him playing slightly off the beat in the same way a lot of hip hop drummers do. He combined that with a furiosity that ultimately created a chaotic sound that made a lot of Slipknot songs sound like they were barely being held together. Their early stuff especially had this feeling that it would devolve into a pure cacophony of noises at any moment. To replicate his sound, one would probably have to have a background in both hip hop and extreme metal.
About time 🥰
That clip of Joey was from RoadRunner United 25th Anniversary dvd that showed behind the scenes of each team, Joey being one of the captains, recording their songs in the studio. One of my favorite albums as there was tons of collaboration from lots of great musicians. Dino Cazares was also a captain on that album too!
Jay did about as as good as we could hope as a replacement for Joey which is why people are shocked he’s gone.
Fired in the same shady ass way too
I feel like what happened to Jay Weinberg is similar to Jason Newstad in Metallica or Sergio Vega in Deftones. They all replaced beloved band members who passed or were incapacitated and eventually passed away. So they all were in their respective bands, but they were never IN the bands. The original members only ever treat them like their friend's replacement and not a full-fledged member.
You are right up to some point. Jason Newsted was more of creative decision, sergio vega was more about money because he had creative input.
@@felipecavalera8729 Creative decision? James admitted they treated Jason like shit, becasue they were hurting from Cliff and were drunk all the time. They didn't want him there.
@@czkmeister that was in the beginning, is not like it was always like that. From jason point of view he didn’t have a say or creative input so he formed his own band. But james didn’t like that so Jason left. From the business point of view they are all hired guns.
AYYY I WAS WAITING FOR THIS TOPIC FROM FINN
Jay did the unthinkable. Replaced one of the most respected, most groovy, but insane drummers ever. I was the biggest critic of anyone ballsy enough to take that on, but Jay fuckin killed it. He took the Joey songs and owned it, and his stiff he wrote after is great. Slipknot not recognizing Jay was the freshest shit Slipknot had since Iowa is unsafe. Jay was clutch, this feels like some eliteist shit
Joey's drumming was fantastic because he just sounded like a self-taught kid who spent hours in the garage grinding it out, while most drummers now sound like an amalgamation of UA-cam tutorials
Jay got to live a childhood dream, contributed to some bangers and just maybe got out before Knot truly falls off. Not too mention he is considerably younger than most of the other members and would be overly welcomed in almost any band currently in their prime. Sounds like a win to me (for Jay) Just a thought.
Joey out of Slipknot was like David out of KoRn. A really tight replacement can't replace the feel, the groove
Idk if that's fair to Joey. David Silveria stopped playing with any sort of "groove" sometime in the 90s and his drumming post Korn is awful.
I clued into people’s love of jay a couple years back when my drum student told me his favourite drummer was jay. I also grew up listening to slipknot and it was cool to hear that the replacement drummer for Joey was also loved by fans.
Jay’s exited three bands on seemingly negative terms. saw him with Against Me! numerous times and he was a lot of fun to watch. AM! informed the fans he was no longer in the band by simply posting a photo of a drum machine on their social media. Laura Jane essentially said he displayed many diva like behaviors, so he just had to go. It's also worth noting he is the son of Max Weinberg
I love Slipknot, but if I were a musician, I wouldn't work for them. You're not a bandmate, you're an employee. The band is owned by a couple guys, they can throw you away whenever they want for whatever reason they want. If you're a talented musician, gamble on yourself. Join a real band and have equity in that band. I'll still listen to every Slipknot album they release though.
Exactly.....
Yoyo, I fully agree! Thank you for your take on the situation
Joey was like the metal questlove. He was consistent at playing off the beat
Jay was in the band for 10 years now, I'm sure some fans were only around for the Jay era. Not only was he as good as good a replacement as possible but he was super passionate and involved with fans on social media etc.
People are mad for those reasons as well as this is yet another unjust firing (Joey, Chris, Craig, and now Jay). People liked all those members and sided with them when they were canned. The rest of the band (particularly Cory and Clown) have started to seem like controlling assholes to many fans.
I'm surprised Mick and James haven't left
@@ogvelociraptor205 slipknots been dead to me for years but id be really surprised if they have any fans left if either of them or Sid leave
@mothermushroom_ It would be the younger generation 🙄 Most Fan's from the self titled/Iowa Era have moved on to other Genre's or just out grew it
Joey was the best at what he did out of the entire 90's early 00's lol. EVERY single band that was playing metal or alternative in the 90's played loose and groovy like Joey. The drums became as important as the guitar or the bass guitar. It could have it's own melody lol. We just went APE because nobody would allow us to go ape any other time of our lives lol. We used the drums to just expell all that nervous angst, and it created pure magic!! Jay is a technical beast and an awesome drummer. he will ALWAYS have work lol. I'm glad he was able to help his favorite band for 10 years. That is a true honor. Can't wait to see him in his next band!!
Nonsense. When Slipknot became a thing the 90's were over. They are a 2000's band, basically. Also, Joey was great but he wasn't doing anything on drums that others were already doing. But normally mainstream kids, didn't know that, so they think he was the last cookie of the jar.
I started listening in 2008 (when i was 9) Joey was my favorite. And when Jay replaced him i was kind of mad (mostly that the band was moving on probably) but he was the most perfect replacement and that he isn’t in the band makes me just as upset like when Chris and Craig left. Jay has been a member almost (or over) a whole ass decade
I’ve no problem with Slipknot making lineup changes (it does hurt a little when a favorite is gone) because it’s their band & shit happens all the time in bands that fans will never know about, nor have a right to know.
It’s the way they do it. Joey didn’t leave, he was fired via email.
The official Jay announcement was worded so badly & sounded like they were throwing shade at him for not being Joey, whom they fired.
Like have some fucking respect & genuine appreciation guys. Both are consistently absent when they let people go.
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I was in eighth grade when slipknot made it big everyone loved them. I always like them from a far but when jay became the drummer, it sucked me in now I have no problem saying peace out again.
Jay stepped into an impossible role and handled it with absolute grace. His silence on social media makes me wonder if there was a falling out.
That’s why I loved him. The way he handled stepping in and respect he showed for Joey. Absolute class act.
At this point Slipknot is more like a Broadway show than a live band
For real though
Looks good to me. I haven't enjoyed a Slipknot album like a Slipknot album since Joey Jordison and Paul Gray was in the band. I have a good feeling about the news and believe this could possibly be a step in the right direction! Nothing against Jay and wish him all the best.
We came to really appreciate Jay after 10 years. It's not hard to understand that. BUT... there are countless drummers that can drum circles around him and even Joey if I'm being honest. Hell... even my own drumming style was greatly influenced by Joey. Even in my melodeath band, it still shows. But the drummers out there now are freaks of nature that make me feel like I've never played before LOL! Slipknot has endless options. But, I really think that based on their last releases that they're wanting to go softer or in a NIN kind of direction. As much as I wish that they'd go with one of these freakishly good drummers, I doubt they will. They had that option when they let Joey go and went with... and all respect intended... the Wish version of Joey. Jay WAS great for the band. I grew to appreciate him wholeheartedly. I just never understood why they didn't go with any of the other guys that were advertising themselves and doing drum covers that were out of this world.
Jay did a set with a local Ohio band at Palefest in Chilicothe. They played all Misfits songs, and it was amazing!
As far as drumming goes, I see a huge development in the last 15 years or so. Similar to many guitarists, many have developed towards very high technical levels which would have been jawdroppers in the 90s or so. I think it has to do with many resources like youtube-tutorials as well as better/available recording methods (you see very fast that your beats are out of grid once you have the visualization on a DAW). So drummers that died like 10-15 years ago would look comparably sloppy.
That being said, Roy Mayorga would be a good fit. There is a video where he plays Duality with Paul Gray and it sounds awesome.
Yes, "50 years" ago! Roy is 53 yo, is too old for this
Joey wasnt sloppy. He was raw, unpolished talent, and a fuck tonne of style. And that's worth 10,000x more than a human metronome.
There are some people who are born to do a thing. Those people are so incredibly talented (in the gifted by heaven sense) that they grow without needing necessarily to study every rudiment and fundamental. That means they may be a little sloppy, but they have more character than 99% of others. Moon, Bonham, The Rev, Joey Jordison etc Their unmistakable styles are born from their innate talent, rather than constant study (not saying some of them didn't study on top, but these 4 are known for pretty wild styles). To me that's the difference between a good drummer and a legend.
You should learn what it means if a drummer is sloppy as opposed to being tight. Your glorification is absurd.
There is a very big difference between a guitarist and a drummer being sloppy.
@stennostenno1346 considering I'm a drummer of 20 years I think I'm more than qualified.
So you both read my examples (Bonham, Moon, Jordison) and assumed sloppy meant can't keep time/has no groove? What? Neither of you elaborate. Just react to the word sloppy lol.
Those are some of the greatest drummers to have played rock/metal. Are they all bad? Or could you judge from those examples and my description of talent what I meant?
I also prefaced my entire comment, saying, "Joey wasn't sloppy". Like you just read what you want yo read.
My point was that talented drukmers with distinct styles and a bit of wildness will be called sloppy, but it's better that than just be a metronome with no character.
You play for 20 years or you have 20 years and play drums?!
Anyway, you need to study more.
Clown is like the DJ Khalid for metal. Makes creative choices, doesn’t write his music, but wants it to be known it’s HIS.
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Joey's sound was distinct and innovative. I mean the first 3-4 albums are proof of that. I wouldn't be able to tell a jay part by recognizing it. Same is the case with david silveria and ray luzier. David was so distinct and stood out and ray just blends into the sounds. I dont know whats better for the band in terms of where they want to go, but I know what I like!
SlipKnoT will always be that classic self titled through All Hope Is Gone lineup for me. Glad they're still doing their thing, but nothing they do now will top that for me.
Good video really enjoyed it
Considering their backgrounds, I'm kinda amazed they got along for so long. Until he left, I never really knew who Jay was, except for "a great drummer", but from what I read/heard now, it looks like he kinda grew up to be a fulltime musician one way or another, wealthy & reasonably famous parents which is as far as I know quite far from how the other guys in Slipknot grew up. And he was almost 20 years younger than most of them (and is now at the perfect age to settle for a family life with maybe one or two small tours a year, a point the rest of Slipknot is far past). Maybe the "creative decision" was the band planning extensive tours (which I kinda hope they do, nothing wrong with Knotfest & Festivals in general, but I'd love to see them on another headline tour) and he just didn't see himself doing that 🤷♂
It looks like in terms of making decisions of any kind, the band has been Clown & Corey for a while now, and to be honest, I'm fine with that. There are quite a bunch of chaotic, hungry young bands out there, Slipknot have been around for over 25 years, almost every one in the band is close to 50 or older now, there will not be a second Iowa (and I hope they don't try to make one).
Too me Jay did fill the shoes of Joey, .5 and WANYK's drums are actually really good, it sounds like jay with a salt bay splash of joey in it. When joey was no longer in the band I didn't really want a clone of him but I did want someone who brought the heaviness back into the band. Jay really did that for me. He really grew on me and as a drummer I felt I had a connection with the band again. I feel the same way about Arte from lamb of god replacing chris adler, Arte will never be chris but after this latest album and how they recorded it, Arte has became maybe a top 10 drummer to me. Hopefully knot can go on to do good things and not just become a legacy band of look alikes and session players in costumes. Also i live here in nashville and i know people who have been around jay and i have never heard a bad word about the guy.
Few musicians other than the singer can completely change the "feel" of a band, than the drummer. When it's time for major growth or an evolution of "style", the easiest member to change, is the drummer.
I for one, am intrigued to hear what direction Slipknot goes in the future.
Slipknot read Dream Theater's statement about firing Mike Mangini and bringing back Portnoy lol. It's practically the same statement but unfortunately Joey isn't here to take his role back.
I’ve always seen Slipknot as a traveling show more than a band. Bands like GWAR, Misfits, and even The Mars Volta always had personnel changes, and they all have clear eras, and seeing the different lineups were wildly different experiences (not in a good way or bad way, just different). As long as some of the old guard stays in the lineup, the show will go on.
When I heard your intro (ambulance sound), I thought you'll be singing Walking Downtown by Copeland lol.
Jay was the only one posting on socials about their gig in Mexico last weekend
Roy Mayorga was indeed with Soulfly around the 2000s. I saw him on the street outside the venue of the show they played with Slayer and didn't know it.
Ray actually filled in for Joey on a bass video Paul put out, demonstrating and teaching his parts from Slipknot. So Ray can definitely play Joey’s parts
So what about Craig? Was that an official leave too?
I also loved Joey's instrumentation in the songs. Especially iowa. Its the beats he chose and the instruments he decided to hit during certain part. Thats what always made him a favorite metal drummer to me.different from the rest
Based on the comments around Madball, it sounds like he's not interested in alcoholism and hard drugs, and they think you've got to be into that kind of stuff to exist in that industry, which is crazy. And considering the substance abuse issues that have always surrounded Slipknot, I wouldn't doubt if that were a contributing factor.
I think Jay just has his ways and from where he came from starting off his career filling with Bruce for his pops, I imagine he knows how he wants things and doesnt really budge when it comes how he wants his side of things Id imagine. which may rub folks the wrong way. And I think simon may want to continue to just do his own thing honestly
Some other people have mentioned Eloy Casagrande from Sepultura and I couldn't agree more cuz he is INSANELY amazing 🤘. Also heard many suggest El Estepario Siberiano. He is beyond talented for Slipknot lol
I just hope that Slipknot gives El Eestepario Siberiano a shot as their next drummer. Members of Slipknot are already huge fans of Mr. Siberiano, going so far as to request that he cover certain Slipknot songs for them to enjoy.
El Eestepario Siberiano is not only absurdly technically proficient, but he is an amazing entertainer, that can not only play in a flashy and fun manner, but damn! El Eestepario Siberiano can also simply groove harder than almost anyone in metal these days! Mr. Siberiano is sadly rarely given credit for his amazing groove and dynamics! Mr. Siberiano’s flashy playing is just too bloody entertaining! Most people are so blown away by Mr. Siberiano’s talent, that they fail to notice anything other than his flashy one handed versions of popular songs.
Unfortunately, and fortunately, everyone gets distracted by Siberiano’s incredible gift for entertaining… I don’t blame anyone for becoming distracted by Siberiano’s insane technical abilities, like his insanely fast and tight one handed versions of, everything from the top 40, to the most difficult slipknot songs on drums…
The first time I watched Mr. Siberiano I was also much too entranced, and distracted by his insanely fun and entertaining one handed absurdity, to notice just how groovy and tight his performances are… His talent for showing off, and simply having fun makes Mr. Siberiano the perfect candidate for the next drummer of Slipknot… If you haven’t noticed just how groovy Mr. Siberiano is, maybe just go back and take a listen to the way he plays the “simple drum parts” of every song. Once you start to pay attention, and actively listen for how he performs those parts, you realize just how amazingly tight and simple his sticky grooves truly are! Wow! Just listen to how solid the foundation is behind his bombastic, yet absurd one handed stick, shtick! 😂
your my favorite music uncle that i only see at thanksgiving finn
Creative differences is code for we hated the guy so he’s fired.
Finn rocking his raiders cap in the Factor plug. Respect 😆
Joey was calculated, even in the sloppiness.
I’d like to see El Estepario Siberiano in the band
Man, I'd love to watch Eloy Casagrande playing with them. His Slipknot covers are insane.
Hell's yes. First thing I thought of after I heard the news. Certainly disappointed to hear about Jay, but BigHouse would f'n rip. Only caveat would be: Would Eloy even want to be in this version of SK after last two records?
I think it's gonna be Clown's kid. RockFeed made that connection and I think he may have some insider info. He just did an interview with Corey a few weeks ago. Anyway, if the rest of their albums are gonna be like TESF then they should just let the castle burn.
@@lastmanstandinggetsnopity that's true, Eloy is a big part of current Sepultura and they're on their best moment since Max left. I think he could play with them if he could still be in Sepultura at the same time.
Imagine if all of a sudden Jay Weinberg, Chris Fehn, Craig Jones, Donnie Steele, Josh Brainard, Greg Welts and Anders Colsefni got together to form a new band as an anti-Slipknot group, they could be called Sleep Not or Not Slip, or maybe they could just revive Painface and make cool songs in the genre of old Slipknot.
i think it makes perfect sense that people are so upset about it. Jay really grew on everybody. his drumming not only progressed noticeably, which got people invested, but he also seems to be much more outgoing. you see him in way more interviews than anybody else, aside from Corey maybe, and he always comes across as a very likeable guy.
on top of that there has been quite a few member changes now without getting much info on any of it and it can get a bit frustrating. Slipknot really is a business nowadays, not a band. and making it multi generational is a bad idea imho. it´ll fizzle out and what´ll be left is a disingenuous shadow of what it was. but hopefully i´m wrong about that.
I haven’t thought about Suffocation in a minute. Good thing I watched this video. I’ll listen to Pierced from within for the rest of the day.