My Take on The @Lenovo X1 Carbon
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- Опубліковано 9 чер 2024
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► Timestamps
00:00 Introduction
00:47 Weight & Build Quality
01:11 Keyboard
02:28 Trackpad
02:37 Intel 13th Gen U Series Processor
02:46 Everyday/Casual Tasks
03:03 Laptop Performance
03:42 Intel vPro Platform
03:55 Battery Life
04:28 Display
05:07 Speakers
05:23 Display (continued)
05:42 Webcam
05:46 Wrap Up
06:23 Software Developers
06:32 Other Laptop Options (Slim Pro 9i)
07:04 ThinkPad X1 Carbon Meteor Lake
07:12 Outro
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If it is going to be sponsored please don't call it a review.
I agree. I'll change
@@JustJoshTech This is why I like and trust your channel. You respond to user comments and take what they say into consideration. Very much enjoyed the video by the way!
@@Watchandlearn91 Thank you. The most important thing is that I'm true to you guys
@@JustJoshTech Thank you, we appreciate it!
@@JustJoshTechThank you. There are many laptop reviewers; we only want the ones that have integrity.
The greatest crime of this laptop is that it doesn't have an AMD option. This lap and the P1 genuinely could have been some of the best laptops in the industry if it wasn't contract locked to intel.
AMD sucks
I am visiting this channel because I think that the reviews are honest because you don't stick only to benchmarks and hardware, but on the user experience of using the device. I have one question though. If you change your daily driver laptop so rapidly you should have a very reliable stack of cloud providers (to keep your day-to-day data), password managers and backup solutions in general (NAS, etc.). Furthermore, you are jumping from windows to macOS so your solutions are supporting both operating systems. Maybe it's a good idea to elaborate on this and educate us in this aspect as well. In any case, thank you for the amazing work so far and my best wishes for the upcoming year!
Ah, what a great comment. I'm happy to do a video on this. Yes, I am able to do this through my extensive use of cloud services
@@JustJoshTech Yeah very keen for you to talk about all the software you use, I really enjoyed the video you put out a couple of years ago on productivity software
One up from me as well!
Hello Josh thanks for amazing review. What will you choose between an X1 carbon and L15 Lenovo?
Would you choose he Carbon gen 11 or the Nano Gen 3 with the P series processor? I know the carbon has more ports, but I don't really need them.
So Lenovo needs to clean up stock soon to make room for the next CPU. Nice promo!
True, I bought a P14s (Basically a T14) with 7840U, 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD, 1200p 400 nits for 1000 USD + taxes. It was, basically, half the price.
@@10mbc what battery life are you getting with the p14s?
@@moneytrends5231 About 8 to 9 hours of work, BT mouse and headset, streaming youtube most of the time. Usually I use Onenote for documentation and Putty / RDP, most of the times alongside a VPN or some form of remote access.
I was a big fan of the thinkpad series of laptops. I am officially done with them. My x1 nano has a usb c port failure. My wife’s x1 carbon needed a motherboard replaced in 6 months. My P1 gen 4 needed a motherboard replaced in less than a year. It also has loud fans and horrendous battery life. I never had a MacBook fail on me.
I have always loved the Thinkbook build and especially amazing keyboard and trackpad. That keyboard though!! But yes, my $3300 P16s gets about 1 1/2 hrs battery life per charge, can't handle screen share on Teams calls without tremendous lag, and sounds like a tornado coming with those fans. One day I missed an hour of work because I jumped in the storm cellar, but it was just the Thinkpad fans, so all good. WHEW!! jk jk.
But my 2021 M1 Pro MBP16 is a dream, ACTUAL all day battery life, and I agree with you, my Macs have never missed a beat. Too bad our industry specific software requires Windows... But... I am changing our company to newer Mac friendly options with only a couple of needs for Windows, so may make the move to use my Mac exclusively in about a Month.
MBP16 = best track pad on the planet, Best battery life on the planet (I never even have to look at my battery or worry that I will run out, even on long teams or zoom calls with extensive screen share with groups, good keyboard (not as good as my Thinkpad though), best speakers on any laptop in the history of laptops, best screen (OLED is a little tough on my eyes but my Macs don't give me any eye fatigue.). Wish me luck on my MBP only move next month!
Is there a ThinkPad X1 equivalent in a 15" or 16" form factor?
I wish you make a rundown between best windows laptop for programmers for 2023. I am not sure how this compares to Zenbook 14x OLED.
Similar question
Everyone (over) hyped the keyboard of the X1 Carbon -- which is why I bought it. Oh boy was I disappointed about the mushy feel of the keys! I type a lot and therefore have high expectations for a keyboard (call me a "keyboard snob"). Maybe it was only my X1 Carbon sample, but this was the reason I actually returned it and grabbed the fantastic HP Dragonfly 4 from Costco instead! The latter is even lighter, has a better keyboard, lasts about 2 hours longer, and has a better screen! Admittedly, the HP's layout of the arrow keys for word editing is asinine, but I can live with it.
On top of all of that. Is one of the few mainstream laptops (Lenovo or otherwise) you can buy with Fedora (my favorite Linux distro) out of the box.
when we will see new Asus zenbook 14 olde with new intel chip ?
1:11 Interesting Josh likes the keyboard - I was recently able to compare the X1C G11 to the G6, T490 and T440 and I absolutely hated it. While it had a well defined click point, it overall felt... flat? Hard to describe but I felt like typing on one of the older Macbook keyboards but with a sharper click?
It is an ad. Dont take this video seriously.
I purchased yesterday the t14s as I wanted the AMD 7840U chip. I'm hoping I did not give up much as I need battery life and did like the x1c. Purchased with the low power screen.
the only fundamental differences between the laptops worth considering on the x1c i believe are the better display and the glass trackpad.
@@nethshansiriwardena508 thanks, I hope the t14s trackpad is good enough. I read somewhere the battery life should be slightly better
@@artemisa81 considering its a ryzen based machine, ofc yes! however you could have waited for the meteor lake laptop to drop or if u have a good enough budget, go for something like a z13/16 as it is the only premium ryzen ultrabook that is available.
@@nethshansiriwardena508 I thought about it but by the time they come to Thailand they ll be 2500+ and I grabbed the T14s on discount from lenovo website for 1200 USD with 32GB ram and the low power screen. Hopefully I wont regret it, otherwise I ll send it back
Looking forward to the gen 12 review
Bring on that Gen 12 review asap! Can't wait, Josh! Thanks for all your great content!
X1 Carbon's sticker price is $2,500-3,000 in most countries (apart from the U.S and China where everything is cheaper).
In my eyes, it's no different than your average $800 laptop that I can put a rugged case on.
Yes, it starts at £2400 in the UK if you want the i7/16Gb version. We rarely get deals seen in China and the US, so this machine is only for businesses that can get deals via bulk purchases. For consumers, there are many better choices.
If I sold both of my kidneys, I wouldn’t be able to afford this laptop. German tax is out of this world.
Same in Sweden….Eu 😫
You forgot to say "sorry for my bad English" after speaking perfect English.
@@10mbc i am not german though. Germans speak impeccable english when they want to.
Maybe don't start a war with Russia?
Big improvement by using the U series CPU from Intel. Even in balance mode, a Geekbench 6 multi-core score of 9,000 is good enough for 95% of business tasks. Especially traveling business sales or business consultants.
With the Meteor Lake CPU, it will be even better. Improved battery and better GPU with the ARC GPU.
1:18 Why do you use an X1C9 as example? Both have 1.5 mm key travel.
Different feel to the key press
It isn't just about travel. The X1C 9 was easier to press which made you hit the bottom easier. Hope that makes sense
Looking very much forward for the meteor lake review. I have the X1 Yoga Gen 7 with 4k. The battery is unfortunately very disappointing, otherwise great laptop.
The 4K display heavily drains the battery. If you want to have good battery life, better go for FHD next time.
how does gen11 keyboard compare with gen9? they are both 1.5mm?
Ah... My bad here for not explaining this more clearly. The feel of key travel is not only about the distrance itself. Its also about the press. I found the gen 9 pressed rather quickly, so you hit the bottom fast, and therefore it felt a little low travel - even though travel was actually the same. From what I experienced, in the units I had, the new one has a more satisfying press where you don't hit the bottom as fast.
Josh can u review lenovo LOQ series?
Does anyone think the p series of thinkpads would be a good choice for software developers?
Software devs don't need dGPUs. Also it depends on the kind of software you're building. Ideally it should be the company that provides a laptop for software development. If it's some bloated software like Reddit - you most likely need a MacBook Pro with Apple silicon. If it's less bloated or if the compiling is done on a remote server - you need a lot less CPU power. You may even buy yourself a ThinkPad T480 with an i5-8350U and MX150 (if you use apps that require GPU acceleration, because old Intel iGPUs are too slow nowadays) because you would need RAM more than the CPU. It's also important to note that you may want to use a Ryzen laptop instead, and you don't need to overspend on laptops. Buying a used laptop is a good idea if it's much cheaper, especially since all ThinkPad T480's are now used. Also, don't buy the ThinkPad T480s, it's much worse for software devs.
Any idea for a time when they will release the 5G & haptic trackpad option?
I'm waiting on that too! I'm keeping the X1C 12th gen for myself, but the moment I heard about the haptic trackpad I returned my unit and will rebuy with it!
Mate thinkpad x1 carbon gen12 is released
Wish they'd just put the left and right mouse click buttons underneath the touchpad...makes life so much easier
this laptop version from one or 2 years ago had bunch of recalls and issues with their thunderbolt 4 ports and power unit. I had to change my motherboard 5 times in total because it refused to take in power from the thunderbolt usb c ports at all and so the laptop died. It was work laptop so it was covered with extended warranty but this laptop was too much hassle to use as work laptop when you had to send it for repairs multiple times and get backup laptop everytime it happened out of nowhere. I did not have this issue with any other brand of laptop recently.
you mean that issue from gen9 ? im looking to buy a used one and in the middle of gen8 and 7
@@slak226 yeah it was very very painful to have multiple RMAs. Thankfully it was corporate laptop that is why I got fast service. I am not sure whether I would get the same if I were regular consumer.
As always , it is a pleasure watching your honest reviews.😊
Just purchased a Slim/Yoga 9i Pro (32GB + 4060 variant) - killer machine, only thing is no audio support in Linux yet, everything else is fine... other than battery life.
Lmao
Unpopular opinion, but I like when Home, End, PageUp and PageDown keys are mapped onto arrow keys. makes Fn+keys moving cursors wayyy faster.
they need to make an 18 inch 4050 version.
x1 carbon gen 12 doesnt have a spec sheet yet it seems so I doubt they've changed it but I really wish they would stuff in bigger batteries (while maintaining weight, see asus zenbook line with much larger batteries). The 120hz oled is a nice option though. Surprised they haven't done a high-refresh miniled screen like their legion line.
p.s. lenovo stuff add a port or two on the nano pls.
Guess this is what I'm getting for my startup...the only issue is the soldered ram but ehn
what is your startup business?
Hey Josh have you considered calling these sponsored videos showcases and post them in a separate channel?
I generally like these laptops but the matte black is fingerprint city
I currently using the Lenovo x1 extreme gen 4 with 4k screen and rtx 3060 and i am in love with this laptop. Lenovo always have a prestige with their "office laptop". Thanks for your videos, i'm wacthing them since more than 4 years 😂
If that laptop with an AMD U series processor and no DPGU would have made for the best M1 competitor on the Windows market. All that cooling pumped into an efficient general processor would have been great. It already has thunderbolt, so you don't need onboard dgpu, just use an external dgpu when you're sitting down.
I have the X1 extreme gen 2, optioned with the 4k screen. I love the performace on this thing but the battery life is just awful, 2 hour max on 4k resolution.
I'd go with a thinkpad anytime vs mac
Imagine this Carbin 11 gen with AMD 7840U. That would be AWESOME machine
I love your channel and objectivity, but I'm not very fond of sponsored 'reviews'...
Thank you and I understand. I am going to address this in my full end of year update next Thursday. Its a live stream that i'm announcing. I think you'll be happy with what you hear
I have always loved the Thinkbook build and especially amazing keyboard and trackpad. And strong hinge / sturdy build. That keyboard though!! UH. MA. ZING! But.... my $3300 P16s gets about 1 1/2 hrs battery life per charge, can't handle screen share on Teams calls without tremendous lag, and sounds like a tornado coming with those fans. One day I missed an hour of work because I jumped in the storm cellar, but it was just the Thinkpad fans, so all good. WHEW!! jk jk. Hoping the new Meteor Lake is an improvement in these areas....
But... my 2021 M1 Pro MBP16 is a dream, ACTUAL all day battery life, and my Macs have never missed a beat. Too bad our industry specific software requires Windows... But... I am changing our company to newer Mac friendly options with only a couple of needs for Windows, so may make the move to use my Mac exclusively in about a Month.
MBP16 = best track pad on the planet, Best battery life on the planet (I never even have to look at my battery or worry that I will run out, even on long teams or zoom calls with extensive screen share with groups, good keyboard (not as good as my Thinkpad though), best speakers on any laptop in the history of laptops, best screen (OLED is a little tough on my eyes but my Macs don't give me any eye fatigue.). Wish me luck on my MBP only move next month!
I really want to like Thinkpad's keyboard, but I just can't. The track point comes with separate buttons that cut a big part of the track pad. And the track point itself works horribly in linux, which makes it unusable for me. Plus I don't like the positioning of Fn and Ctrl keys, and even if I swap them in BIOS, I'll have small "Ctrl" and big "Fn" which is inconvenient. I hoped that Thikbook line will be a modern alternative to the Thinkpad line, but it is not :(
Exactly the same thoughts here. You can try XPS series - it's an ultrabook though, so you shouldn't throw much of the intensive tasks at it.
So, Intel and Lenovo are sponsoring this video? I always thought this channel was different. (I think now I understand how this channel manages to employ a team of 5-6 people.)
Your feedback is noted. Please watch my end of year live stream next week, I think you'll be pleased with the direction that I'll be announcing for 2024
The channel takes sponsors only under conditions of making completely honest reviews. I don't see a problem with this. Some less known manufacturers like Minisforum are infamous for sponsoring products that they knew were unreliable, and their customer support was bad, so I don't want unproven manufacturers sponsoring videos here. That should be left for other channels. Minisforum seems to have fixed their newer products, but the damage has already been done.
As for the laptop itself, I think that it's generally a great idea to buy ol' reliable ThinkPads at a discount, because the newest models are always a rip-off, but the vast majority of viewers watching these videos don't need laptops that are as fast, but are purposefully designed with less RAM for planned obsolescence. You don't need 10 cores for office work or web browsing, not even for programming, really. Lenovo doesn't want you to know this, but it's absolutely okay to buy a 5-year old used ThinkPad T480 with an Intel i5-8350U or higher, and an Nvidia MX150 dGPU, for $300. Even working in IT at an established company as a DevOps/SRE, with Zoom calls and blur filters and 3 external monitors, as I do, would be perfectly manageable for the T480, although with the more bloated apps and Windows 11, that would be the most that it can handle without running out of available CPU time (though all you really need to do is turn on Efficiency Mode for the demanding applications like Zoom that just use up resources in the background for no reason). It's got unrivaled upgradability, where you can upgrade basically everything, and it's the last laptop Lenovo ever made to have this upgradability, for a reason.
Lenovo and Intel don't want you to stay on perfectly good machine such as the ThinkPad T480, because they want that sweet, sweet revenue, which is why they're sponsoring this video. I don't see a problem with that, but I see a problem with the end users buying the wrong laptops for their use cases and overspend on the wrong things, because they're led to believe that they need is 10 cores to run Excel, which uses only 1-2 cores.
@@one_step_sideways lol Sponsorship and honest constitute an oxymoron.
Was a video deleted recently?
Yes, its being reposted in an hour due to audio issues :)
It is a great laptop i used it once but i can't afford it
it's also overpriced in europe
I think it's odd that Lenovo and Intel would sponsor this, but NOT send the Meteor Lake version. A tad bit saddening
They and other PC OEMs had a bad year in 2023, so I suspect this is an ad to try to sell warehouses full of unsold stock.
Dude.. come on... stop teasing... give us the review for the X1C gen 12, preferably with the intel 155h chipset... cant wait
Dude the gen 12 dropped why are we talking about the 11 ?
I thoroughly covered that in the video
I bought this exact same laptop (identical configuration) because of this review, but I ended up returning it because it became uncomfortably warm when getting charged. After doing some research, I found a lot of people complaining about the same thing. It appears to be a design flaw related to the charging IC.
I find it disappointing that this fact did not get mentioned in this review, as this channel is usually very rigorous with its reviews.
I know I'm in the minority here, but I prefer a bit of bezel. Especially considering some of the newer models are going to have a reverse notch 🤢
The moment I heard Intel I went limp.
Starting price of $3k for the 12th gen on this...lol. No thank you.
Waiting for meteor lake. but it seems like it wasnt as good as it was made out to be
This seems like poor review. I hope the compensation for your effort was worth it because for me, this was worthless. Where is the comparison with AMD? Ryzen 7 7840u / Ryzen 5 7640u would have been a proper companion for a benchmark.
This vs t14s with 7840u is the review we need 🙏🙏🙏
7:24 minutes of saying “I’m a sell out”
Even though your comment was a little rough, there is validity to your concern. Please watch my channel update coming up, as i'll address it there.
@@JustJoshTech thank you. This is why I've remained subscribed for years.
@@Tsunamisurfer29 I appreciate it
I know I can say first, as it says no comments yet
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the only thing i cant understand, why they cant just sell their laptops without windows
They do have a Linux version btw
Then retail just doesnt brings those versions to Hungary, neither asus, acer, ect
Thanks for mentioning that the speakers desperately need improvent. I love ThinkPads but the speakers are awful (X1 already has the better speaker system).
This is literally a paid promotion. Like others have mentioned, this is not a review.
That is correct. That's why it doesn't say review in the title. It is fully disclosed within the first section of the video.
I would never spend 2000 for a windows laptop. 1000, taken or given, is the maximum a windows laptop deserves.
I feel like that sponsorship sway and justifies evem stupid decision from manufacturers, I get you have to make mobey and everything, but sorry to say this I dont trust reviewers anymore
I'm actually working on a video for week after next on this topic. Hang tight for it. I have heard the feedback on this
gen12 coming soon😂😂😂😂😂
Just waiting for X1 Nano on meteor lake U processors! Hope what Lenovo does not using H models in Nano... ) So this situation for X1 Carbon too! Dont buy hot processor in slim and small box! )
P.S. X1 Nano gen 1 on i5 1130 low tdp is a very good daily driver for web, some excel and watching videos...
It's very likely that Lenovo will switch the X1 Nano over to the new Snapdragon Elite X from Qualcomm next year.
@@MatrixJockey I hope you're right! They should put Snapdragon processors in all ThinkPad models. Intel sucks :(