Agreed.all his videos on the ford 4.6 are great n surprised me that they could actually make good power.i have always heard that the 4.6 engine sucks n that you can’t make any power with it
@@madmod difference is the pi stuff was a later update that did come in the mustang once it came out. The fancy 302 stuff came the same year in other applications but never the GT mustang, and the cobra mustang did come with the upgraded stuff.
@@Prestiged_peck What confuses me is how much r&d went into producing a far superior frpp svo 2v casting borrowing mostly from the NPI only to go backwards in performance creating the PI. They had a 2v head with 190cfm of intake flow stock that could maintain decent compression and even despite having fewer intake manifold choices most of which were crappy at the time, still produced fantastic power. I just dont think they wanted to compete with their own sales of higher trims like the cobra. Same reason we didnt get the explorer intake on a base gt. It kept the cheaper pony cars in a class of their own while the cobras swing up at the bigger displacements offered by gm.
@@camaromustangmods3327 I had a 2.2 kb blowzilla 5.0 and sold it for a 2v and couldn't be happier. The 2v holds its own just fine and despite popular opinion, they are cheap to modify and make power with.
I have run both engines in my Mustangs over the years and both are great engines and $$$$ is everything when it comes for HP! My daily driver is a 4.6 SOHC and will stay that way until I become rich or die!
@@oldschoolmobile They all sound good (except Coyote with stock Tri-Ys) though I tend to agree that SN95 2V/4Vs do sound particularly good. A 302 Fox with Flows and a cam sounds good too though, it’s such a retro sounds it’s not even played out anymore
@@oldschoolmobile Note I said 4.6 mod motor - the modular series includes all of those, and the 5.4 if you're feeling like adding it in the mix :) It sounds nothing like a SBF at all unless you just run straight pipes on everything then it sounds like throwing a metal trash can down a cliff.
Gotta love the Windsor SBF. Even tho Im a Chevy guy, I got my initial hotrodding start on the SBF. Built a couple for some friends back in the day for a Stang and a T-Bird. Both cars were pretty quick for what they were. My dad had an 82 Mustang GL 5.0 FOUR SPEED LOL (basically the LX for that year) and I LOVED that car! I wish I had a pic of it...
Torque is a function of bore and stroke. Engines convert fuel into torque. Horsepower is a function of torque and rpm. Once people solidify that fact in their mind, the tests make more sense. And of course there are variables that can shift the torque curve. Referring to your younger and less experienced enthusiasts.
Would like to have seen the 4.6 outfitted with Trick Flow heads/PI spec. Comp Cams/Trick Flow intake (similar package to what the 5.0 received) to make for a more "apples-apples" comparison.
It would have made more power. It already made more and it would have made even more that way. The 2v is every bit as good as the 302 in every way na and boosted and with forged internals in both the 2v is capable of holding way more with its stock block vs the 302.
My Kuntz & Co. built 359 cu. in. R302 block Ford made 647HP @7,400 rpm and 497 lb. ft. TQ. @ 5,500 rpm NA way back in the late 90's. I'll always be a 5.0 Ford man for sure, but currently own a 2000 GT with the 4.6l PI Windsor engine. ua-cam.com/video/e50vwaHYOF4/v-deo.html
They hated it because in the beginning there was no aftermarket compared to the 302. Now that there is plenty of aftermarket that is no longer an issue. It's proven to be just as good and imo better than the 302. Forged internals and boost on both 4.6 can make and take way more power. They sound just as good too. I love the mod motors.
@@midnight347the NPI 4.6's were dogs, a 1995 5.0 GT would skull drag a 1996 GT. Ford went to the PI 4.6's in 1998 which made them roughly equal to a SN95 5.0.
I’ve had both of those motors (mildly modified 92 Mustang 5.0 EFI) and a stock 190 HP (95 Crown Vic). Both great motors. I had no problems with either.
the 8.2 deck windsor is king. Down here in Aus, 4.0" bore 3.0" stroke, 5.7 rods, 10:1 comp, big big cam, Yates D3 heads, ITB short runner manifold with high injector placement, Pump gas, 7500rpm limit, 650HP all day long.
How much to mod a motor to this extreme and I know u can keep up with a hell kitty in your much lighter ford car lol so do u end up spending way less the whoop on them or keep up to say the least?
@@steveparlier7059 a new engine is probably 150k AUD. A second hand engine with a few seasons on it would probably be 30-40k AUD. To develop an engine like that yourself probably 10 years and a few million dollars
At the end of the day though, the 5.0 is STILL cheaper to build....and I'm a 4.6 guy. I LOVE 4.6's. they have plenty of potential when the bottom end is built right and the heads are done but, your looking at 7 grand plus. The 5.0 can be built to the gills including a dart block for less than 5 grand and make the more power because it will then be a 347 or some type of stroker lol. But, there is NO sound like a 4.6 turning 7600 Rpm before a shift ❤️
drop in forged pistons and rods plus a cam swap on a 4V 4.6 and youll do way better with less money. what you spend on cams, you dont have to spend on cnc ported heads/intake/ blah blah blah.
@@MrPorsche91730so you can boost it to the moon and back and make tons of power reliably. You can't do that with the same mods on a 5 liter because you would also need an aftermarket block to make the kind of reliable power a forged 4.6 can.
Dude you can do heads cams and bottom end for way less than 7k. It's gonna cost more to build the 5.0 because you gotta have the dart block to make the kind of power the 4.6 can with just forged internals. You can stroke the 2v to 5.3 and with the right heads and cams setup it'll make as much power as most 347 setups. Cams cost little more because 2 vs 1 but otherwise most other mods are similar other than you need a dart on the Windsor adding 2000+ dollars to it. You're way over shooting what it costs to do a forged 4.6 with ported heads.
I know this because it was the first v8 I boosted 25 years ago. Once you hit 600hp that sbf 302s block will Crack very aggressively. I was so sad as a young man. A few of these cylinder head companies we love got their start with the fox body mustangs.
mod motor powa baby. really enjoy your vids and always learn from them but when its ford mod motor stuff i pay extra close attention. thanks for what you do Richard, i have a 4.6 4v B heads with a D procharger i love that thing its my first little hotrod i can work on during the winters(it snows here in west michigan) and thoroughly enjoy during the summers. i would also like to do a set of rods and pistons, standalone ecu and a better fuel system. really want to learn some aspects of tuning so i can make my own adjustments when im at the track hence the standalone.
I’m a 97 cobra with p1sc, long tubes, and x pipe. Making 401/367 on a conservative 8lb tune. What power are you laying down? I’m loving my car. Really wanting to do forged internals but at the same time I want a terminator and can’t justify owning two 4v 4.6 cars.
Great video! You mentioned you used 36lb injectors on the 5.0. Did you change them out when you added boost? Which injectors did you use on the 4.6. Also, what was WOT timing set to for both 5.0 & 4.6.... Thanks!!
Richard I love watching your videos but don't you think it might be time to actually do a direct comparison? It's getting kind of old to get to the end of every video and have you say this isn't an apples and apples test....
I love the comment "every component of the 5.0 is limiting." Thanks for showing us that 302 or 4.6, both have plenty of potential. Multiple generations down the road with the Gen 3 Coyote out the 2V gets very little respect. Too often when you're considering a car with 4.6 2V or 3V the reaction is no, don't do that they're junk. Without traction control 400hp from any source has the potential to get you in real trouble if you aren't careful and in possession of a little skill.
Anyone who says that a 4.6 powerplant is junk is an idiot. They're not a 5.0 coyote but they are far from junk. I know because I've owned 4.6s and now I have a 5.0.
@@thollingsworth4910 It's important to know, too. You can't just drop a sbf into an emissions-era car because usually you have to have an engine of at least the same year as the car. For that reason I've pondered the potential of the 4.6 and 5.4 4v engines put in some Lincoln SUVs.
@@thollingsworth4910 yea these days people just regurgitate the same bs everyone else says online without doing any real research for themselves. It's every bit as good of a platform as the windsor 5.0 if not even better as shown in this video. It can get it done na and forced induction just as well as the old 5 liter you don't really see people saying they're junk not nearly like you do the 4.6 motors. Just because it's not as good as the coyote don't mean it's junk but some don't understand that.
@@midnight347 4.6L 2V owner here despite my user handle name on YT, from what I've gathered over the year is that a lot of these enthusiasts are just power junkies. There are very few enthusiasts who are willing to put in the wrench time to get the power output out of these older platforms. It's easier to say, "F** IT" I am getting a coyote car because it makes the power OUT THE BOX verses, I am going to do the research and build it, most do not have the patience or time. Secondly, I wish Rich could have tested my combo. I have TFS 38CC heads, stage 2 bullet grinds, and Foxlake P51 manifold, the combo should do in theory 425-440hp N/A but the video was still good.
I like these comparisons Richard, thanks for the time and effort. For me it's more a matter of what makes the most sense. I'm not interested in shoehorning a mod motor in our fox body so I'll stick with the old architecture. Works well enough for me.
Absolutely man and if you want to come to a Guy that will shoot you straight up and not give you a bunch of B.S. just to get you to subscribe to his channel then Richard is the man point blank! God Bless ✝️ Sincerely Clay B.
Would of loved to see the 2v 4.6 with the tfs heads and intake compared to the good ol 5.0 motor for a more direct comparison, but fun vid for shits and giggles.
I would have like to see the boost curves side by side. This way we could see some of the efficiency different. I personally think the 5.0 is a better motor cause the simplicity.
People always say that but there isn't anything complicated about the 2v or any of the mod motors. They aren't hard to work on and they're reliable and they sound just as good if not better.
@@midnight347 no they aren’t hard to work on but ford added things that engine that complicated it for no reason. My car is way more complicated than these engines. I work on late model stuff and an example is c7 z06 and those are a royal pain to do a cam.
I remember these two engine combinations in their stock form in the cars. The 5 L would take the lead through first and second is in the middle of third the 4.6 overhead valve engine would start pulling on top end in the 8th mile the 5 L won every time in a quarter mile the 4.6 wins these were all bone stock engines no modifications whatsoever.
I like the 4.6 better. Not in power numbers but due to how they are built , initially. The 4.6 has a more stout bottom end and will last longer in every power variation. Most of us aren’t drag strip oriented, but we’re looking for street performance and durability.
What is wrong with you people? You get performance mixed up with what is long lasting engines. A ford 289 V8 with a 2 barrel carburetor is the answer for easiest to fix and all the power a person would ever need. I remember full sized galaxies in the mid 60s that had enough power for OTR and to get a person killed.
Idk why people fight, I have my fox with a 302, and I have a new phone edge with a 4.6 2V..... And not matter what, I want to pull both engines out and replace them with the bigger truck versions lol. I much rather have a 351w in the fox and a 2V 5.4 in the new edge
I personally think you should have included running the supercharger on a stock motor. You are much more likely to see that setup in the real world than heads, cam/s, intake, AND a supercharger. Also, isn't it true that you risk splitting the block on 302s if you go above 600 HP? I know I've read it in multiple places.
yes the 302’s STOCK block starts to crack above 450 if you aren’t careful, i know some guys who around 500-600hp with a stock block 302 on a Turbo or SC set up , they can hold up pretty good , sometimes...
@@eric5.080 the 2v is stouter by a long shock all the mod motors are (block wise) put forged internals in both and turn the wick up the 2v is gonna hold up to much higher hp because of the block.
What happened to running the same supercharger on both motors? Waste of a video. Just proves, you make power with the parts you throw at it. Two stock motors. Port the heads, add the common cams, add the “same supercharger!” That’s it. Simple. You’re thinking like an engineeer, not an enthusiast.
The 5.0 just have more of a pedigree. The 4.6 got too little love too late in life. Almost like ford motor Corp did not care at this point. The 5.0 got tone of support then the 3v and 4v motors show up. Ford should have offerelarger displacement ohc motors.
For 281 cid the 4.6 does great. They do not leak very easy and seal up better. Water pump and timing cover are seamless. I am pro 4.6 being I have made over 1000hp on a 4.6 and stay together much longer
They respond to mods very well. I surprised the hell out of 5.7 mopar guys. I’ve beaten chargers in highway pulls. That’s what gears and being 1,200 lbs light does.
This was really cool Richard. What's so remarkable is that they made the exact same power in the exact same way, but they are 2 completely different engines.
I admire your no nonsense approach to your video, you're right, regardless of the base engine , once you modify it correctly using quality parts you will get good results, I came away surprised , I have had many 5.0 engines and my pick up has the modular 4.6, glad to see the 4.6 did so well in responding to mods, this video has renewed my hope of making more power for the 4.6, you now have a subscriber for life.
I would go with supercharger or a turbo. It's always there when you need it. I ran nitrous for a while on my street Stang and was happy when I went to a supercharger.
@@streetdomn8tor101 yea I would look into the department of boost manifold that allows use of a terminator blower. Not only would the m112 be good for the power level he's trying to get to you also open yourself up to all the superior pd blower options available for the terminator that isn't available for the 2v if you ever wanted to build the bottom end and go nuts.
Only thing I wish you would add is how much the mods cost? Unfortunately the old saying is true, How fast do you want to go, How much money do you have.
I thought it was a pretty good test. I got both motors so I appreciate the in-depth look into both motor side by side with a parts list I would have from summit
Now the question is which one will last longer and more robust in reliability, the 5.0L (302) Windsor V8 in the 92-96 Ford Trucks or the 4.6L SOHC 2V Triton V8 in the 97-03 F150s.
To even utter the words “5.0 efi starting the mustang world” is insane. Plenty of way better engines that made way more HP in the 60’s 289, 302, 351w, 351c, 390, 427 cobra jet, 460. Better looking too.
I have a project Bronco I'm in the process of building. It's a 89 with a 5.8 V8. I've been debating on building up the stock engine or coyote swapping it. I eventually want to add boost and spray for a drag setup. For now I'm just going to stoke it to a 408, put some better heads on and go from there. My questions are is it worth spending the money on stroking the engine and will it be able to handle boost and spray after I do? Or should I just do the swap and build up from there?. Fords are definitely more complicated than LS/LT engines I can tell you that but I refuse to cross brand my vehicle. I'm an American and I love all American brand muscle cars and trucks so I don't have a favorite. My Tahoe will stay GM, my Bronco will Stay Ford, and when I get a Mopar Truck it will stay Mopar.
The 351 block is a thicker casting than a 302 block. You can get more power, and do so safer. That said, a truck coyote from, say a 2016, you'll get instant access to the better part of 400whp. A 351 is gonna be cheaper to build. But a coyote makes pretty impressive power untouched
Did the 4.6 have a beefed up bottom end or was it a stock bottom end? I heard the 4.6 can't handle much more than 400 horses anything above that the bottom end can't handle it.
I’ll take the 5.0 HO over the 4.6 any day due to the added complications of the design of the 4.6L engine. I think the engine people should really consider building is the 1994-97 5.8L truck engine.
my buddy took out and sold his 302 5.0 that was making around 310rwhp N/A and did a 5.8L 351W Forged Crank/Rods, Aluminum Heads , Custom Grind Cam ETC ... said he would never look back ! new coyotes ain’t a problem for his fox
Yesterday's 400hp to me is cooler than today's 400hp. Now everything has 400hp so it's not that special. If this was 1970, 400hp would be talked about. 400 is plenty, and if you have 'just' 365, people are calling you "left behind" or "wimpy". These are 2 great engines regardless.
@@CJColvin The reality of EcoBrats is that they are going to keep improving both on efficiency and force power and they've been at it since around 2007 from what recall reading, when they started developing the line, along with the 6.2 (which people ignore as well). So closing in on 15 development and 12 in service. Now the POWERBoost!! I wonder if Super Duty is coming up with something we wouldn't expect. It would have to be with the Power Strike though. 1,050 tq isn't manly enough yet. Lol
the stock power rating of 225 hp is with full accessories, complete air intake, full exhaust with cats and with the factory tune and temperature. we changed all of those
Hey Brother as always you are rocking the videos man but I am curious about something and that being, you said that you got 638-H.P. with the Mustang 5.0L V8 with the Torque Storm Super Charger and the TFS Top End Kit now my question is with you getting 638-H.P. with the combination mentioned now is that with a completely 5.0L V8 STOCK BLOCK or did you have to do anything to it like a main girdle and ARP bolts and things of that nature because I've always have heard that the Ford 5.0L 302 V8 will crack the block at around 575-600-H.P. on average and I know if anyone will know what the true limits of the old school MUSTANG GT 5.0L H.O. 302 V8 ENGINE are it is you Brother with all of the BADAZZ ENGINES that you have built and I am wanting to know what I can do to mine and I have a 1994 MUSTANG GT 5.0L CANARY YELLOW 5-SPEED and I am getting ready to go ahead and start to rebuild her soon and I am needing some of your guidance of how high I can go in the Horse Power department especially since I am going to be driving her almost every day short little trips to and from work with a total mileage of around 43 miles total almost 21 miles to work and the same thing back home and if I can get around 550-575-H.P. TOTAL on a completely STOCK BLOCK 1994 5.0L H.O. 302 V8 REBUILT of course and a daily driver I will be over the moon Brother so please tell me what I need to do and I look forward to hearing back from you Brother and God Bless You ✝️ Sincerely Clay B. Oh I almost forgot to ask you about the TFS Twisted Wedge 11R 170 Heads and that is what do they top out at for Horse Power that they can handle up to and Thank You Again Brother for everything and please keep the videos coming man cuz we (MY WHOLE CREW) WE ALL TRULY LOVE'EM!!! BROTHER 🏁SPEED-MOB-RACING🏁!
@@richardholdener1727 Thank You Brother for getting back to me and I'm sorry and your right I thought it was the 5.0L I am honestly hoping that I can get around 375 H.P. off the N.O.S. and around 500 H.P. or close to it with a small shot of N.O.S. 100-125 H.P. with the TFS TOP END KIT on my 94 MUSTANG GT and I look at it like this man with your guidance of watching your channel I'll get it figured out and Thank You Brother for all that you put out here for us to learn from and God Bless ✝️ Sincerely Clay B.
Why 302 over 4.6 well 4.6 blows intake gaskets the oil filter housing blows and the 4.6 shoots out spark plugs 302 well none of that happens 🤣 I mean anything can blow a intake gasket but the 4.6s are famous for that 302s not so much I'll stick with the 302 plus it's a bigger motor and a stroked 302 to 347 is nasty 😉
Look what Johnny Langton accomplished with his 2v auto Thunderbird. I can not find 1 thunderbird with pi heads running the times that his did na with renegade npi heads.
@@brysonshires9742 Most of the gains in the swap come from the pi cam and pi intake manifold both of which will drop on to a stock 96+ npi head with no issues. Theres also the compression bump going to the pi heads but thats not hugely responsible for the power gains offered. Not only can the npi fit a better cam spec, they also dont spit plugs like pi heads do, and have reasonably good flow without porting when you address the single angle valve job they boast. Johnny went 12.98 in the quarter mile equipped with renegade npi heads, stock pi cams, and a stock pi intake manifold at stock compression through a 4r70 auto. At 3700lbs, i cant find a single pi 2v na running those same times in that chassis. I would 4v swap before pi swapping with how affordable used intech engines are these days but thats not to say the PI heads can't make great power.
@@madmod you seem to know a ton about these. If i go on rockauto and buy a maruder torque converter, will it bolt right into the 95 trans? If not what would be a better converter to go with, looking for around a 2500stall
So as it's said, flow = hp, but why ppl talk down on me for going with the TrickFlow Race 195 heads over the 185s n 0.030 over?? Do they hate me cuz they ain't me?? lol..
The 4.6 has a much stronger block. If the tune isn't perfect, you'll split a stock windsor block at those power levels. Even with a perfect tune, the windsor block will be on borrowed time.
I would always, always, always go with the 5.0 over the 4.6, why? The aftermarket, Tons & Tons of stuff, oh yeah n that Cubic inch thing!!😂💜💜💜 But both are great platforms, just comes down to preferences 💯‼️ Thanks Sir!!
Being you used Trick Flow on the 302 It been better comparison if on the 4.6 if used Trick Flow top end. By using 2V Twisted Wedge heads & TFS cams. Maybe used Victor Jr lower intake with Upper EFI plenum & TB.
Im lost. I spoke to a few specialist and asked them how i could get 400+hp on a 4.6. They all say yeah, with a supercharger yet you're showing numbers that prove it can do more NA. How?
@@richardholdener1727 yup, i did mean rw hp. so am i to assume with cams, springs , and ported PI heads as the only mod that i can expect no more than 300HP RW?
What about Truck/Triton 4.6L mods? 2WD. Ditch intake or keep it for the longer runner/better torque numbers? Long tubes or Tri-Y headers? Looking for mid-range punch along with a touch of stump pulling. Daily driver, light trailer duty. What say you?
Power wouldn't be much different if it's running same compression. 302 sized parts make 302 power that is the old saying. If you do a stroker you need a more aggressive setup than would be ran on a 302 to truly take advantage of the extra cubes. Torque would be up some though for sure.
I’ve had both engines and loved the way both of them ran. These days I have a 5.4 triton that I’m not a fan of and a 5.8w that I haven’t got to drive yet because it needs carb & break work
The best Ford V8 for boost is the one you've already got.
i agree..lol
255 Windsor has joined the chat....
221 too
This guy gets it
@@richardholdener1727 i think with the 221 being like a 2 year run id save it for someone wanting to do a numbers matching build
I love the 4.6 videos. Really appreciate all the work you do for all of us!
Agreed.all his videos on the ford 4.6 are great n surprised me that they could actually make good power.i have always heard that the 4.6 engine sucks n that you can’t make any power with it
The 5.0 should have came stock with the explorer/cobra intake. They made a noticeable difference over the junk h.o. intake.
The same could be said about using PI induction on a NPi engine.
@@madmod difference is the pi stuff was a later update that did come in the mustang once it came out. The fancy 302 stuff came the same year in other applications but never the GT mustang, and the cobra mustang did come with the upgraded stuff.
@@Prestiged_peck What confuses me is how much r&d went into producing a far superior frpp svo 2v casting borrowing mostly from the NPI only to go backwards in performance creating the PI. They had a 2v head with 190cfm of intake flow stock that could maintain decent compression and even despite having fewer intake manifold choices most of which were crappy at the time, still produced fantastic power. I just dont think they wanted to compete with their own sales of higher trims like the cobra. Same reason we didnt get the explorer intake on a base gt. It kept the cheaper pony cars in a class of their own while the cobras swing up at the bigger displacements offered by gm.
They should have come with a supercharger stock. These hci supercharger 302 combos can still hold their own in 2021.
@@camaromustangmods3327 I had a 2.2 kb blowzilla 5.0 and sold it for a 2v and couldn't be happier. The 2v holds its own just fine and despite popular opinion, they are cheap to modify and make power with.
I have run both engines in my Mustangs over the years and both are great engines and $$$$ is everything when it comes for HP! My daily driver is a 4.6 SOHC and will stay that way until I become rich or die!
I believe this is apples to apples. My question what would the cost difference between mod to mod.
The 5 liter had all trickflow top end I would bet it had more money put into it. The 2v is every bit as good if not better than the 302 in every way.
None of this matters because the 4.6 mod motor sounds like it was sent down by the engine gods to grace our ears with its exhaust note.
You do know they sound damn near the same with the exception of the 3v and 4v engines right? Same firing order..... 👍
@@oldschoolmobile They all sound good
(except Coyote with stock Tri-Ys) though I tend to agree that SN95 2V/4Vs do sound particularly good. A 302 Fox with Flows and a cam sounds good too though, it’s such a retro sounds it’s not even played out anymore
@@oldschoolmobile Ive never thought the mod motor sounds like a sbf
They both sound good I’m my opinion
@@oldschoolmobile Note I said 4.6 mod motor - the modular series includes all of those, and the 5.4 if you're feeling like adding it in the mix :)
It sounds nothing like a SBF at all unless you just run straight pipes on everything then it sounds like throwing a metal trash can down a cliff.
Personally I blame squirrels
Gotta love the Windsor SBF. Even tho Im a Chevy guy, I got my initial hotrodding start on the SBF. Built a couple for some friends back in the day for a Stang and a T-Bird. Both cars were pretty quick for what they were. My dad had an 82 Mustang GL 5.0 FOUR SPEED LOL (basically the LX for that year) and I LOVED that car! I wish I had a pic of it...
AWESOME MAN 😎
Torque is a function of bore and stroke. Engines convert fuel into torque. Horsepower is a function of torque and rpm. Once people solidify that fact in their mind, the tests make more sense. And of course there are variables that can shift the torque curve. Referring to your younger and less experienced enthusiasts.
Would like to have seen the 4.6 outfitted with Trick Flow heads/PI spec. Comp Cams/Trick Flow intake (similar package to what the 5.0 received) to make for a more "apples-apples" comparison.
It would have made more power. It already made more and it would have made even more that way. The 2v is every bit as good as the 302 in every way na and boosted and with forged internals in both the 2v is capable of holding way more with its stock block vs the 302.
My Kuntz & Co. built 359 cu. in. R302 block Ford made 647HP @7,400 rpm and 497 lb. ft. TQ. @ 5,500 rpm NA way back in the late 90's. I'll always be a 5.0 Ford man for sure, but currently own a 2000 GT with the 4.6l PI Windsor engine. ua-cam.com/video/e50vwaHYOF4/v-deo.html
How about dependability I have to go with 4.6l after having both motors.
I remember the 90's when that 4.6 liter was released and the Ford guys HATED it.
They hated it because in the beginning there was no aftermarket compared to the 302. Now that there is plenty of aftermarket that is no longer an issue. It's proven to be just as good and imo better than the 302. Forged internals and boost on both 4.6 can make and take way more power. They sound just as good too. I love the mod motors.
@@midnight347the NPI 4.6's were dogs, a 1995 5.0 GT would skull drag a 1996 GT. Ford went to the PI 4.6's in 1998 which made them roughly equal to a SN95 5.0.
I’ve had both of those motors (mildly modified 92 Mustang 5.0 EFI) and a stock 190 HP (95 Crown Vic). Both great motors. I had no problems with either.
the 8.2 deck windsor is king. Down here in Aus, 4.0" bore 3.0" stroke, 5.7 rods, 10:1 comp, big big cam, Yates D3 heads, ITB short runner manifold with high injector placement, Pump gas, 7500rpm limit, 650HP all day long.
How much to mod a motor to this extreme and I know u can keep up with a hell kitty in your much lighter ford car lol so do u end up spending way less the whoop on them or keep up to say the least?
@@steveparlier7059 a new engine is probably 150k AUD. A second hand engine with a few seasons on it would probably be 30-40k AUD. To develop an engine like that yourself probably 10 years and a few million dollars
At the end of the day though, the 5.0 is STILL cheaper to build....and I'm a 4.6 guy. I LOVE 4.6's. they have plenty of potential when the bottom end is built right and the heads are done but, your looking at 7 grand plus. The 5.0 can be built to the gills including a dart block for less than 5 grand and make the more power because it will then be a 347 or some type of stroker lol. But, there is NO sound like a 4.6 turning 7600 Rpm before a shift ❤️
drop in forged pistons and rods plus a cam swap on a 4V 4.6 and youll do way better with less money. what you spend on cams, you dont have to spend on cnc ported heads/intake/ blah blah blah.
@@OxBlitzkriegxO but why do you need stronger rods and pistons?
@@MrPorsche91730 they are a weak point stock
@@MrPorsche91730so you can boost it to the moon and back and make tons of power reliably. You can't do that with the same mods on a 5 liter because you would also need an aftermarket block to make the kind of reliable power a forged 4.6 can.
Dude you can do heads cams and bottom end for way less than 7k. It's gonna cost more to build the 5.0 because you gotta have the dart block to make the kind of power the 4.6 can with just forged internals. You can stroke the 2v to 5.3 and with the right heads and cams setup it'll make as much power as most 347 setups. Cams cost little more because 2 vs 1 but otherwise most other mods are similar other than you need a dart on the Windsor adding 2000+ dollars to it. You're way over shooting what it costs to do a forged 4.6 with ported heads.
I know this because it was the first v8 I boosted 25 years ago. Once you hit 600hp that sbf 302s block will Crack very aggressively. I was so sad as a young man. A few of these cylinder head companies we love got their start with the fox body mustangs.
I know stock vs stock, a 4.6 2v can handle nitrous better than a 302.
mod motor powa baby. really enjoy your vids and always learn from them but when its ford mod motor stuff i pay extra close attention. thanks for what you do Richard, i have a 4.6 4v B heads with a D procharger i love that thing its my first little hotrod i can work on during the winters(it snows here in west michigan) and thoroughly enjoy during the summers. i would also like to do a set of rods and pistons, standalone ecu and a better fuel system. really want to learn some aspects of tuning so i can make my own adjustments when im at the track hence the standalone.
I’m a 97 cobra with p1sc, long tubes, and x pipe. Making 401/367 on a conservative 8lb tune. What power are you laying down? I’m loving my car. Really wanting to do forged internals but at the same time I want a terminator and can’t justify owning two 4v 4.6 cars.
Great video! You mentioned you used 36lb injectors on the 5.0. Did you change them out when you added boost? Which injectors did you use on the 4.6. Also, what was WOT timing set to for both 5.0 & 4.6.... Thanks!!
Richard I love watching your videos but don't you think it might be time to actually do a direct comparison? It's getting kind of old to get to the end of every video and have you say this isn't an apples and apples test....
maybe watch some of the other 600 videos
I love the comment "every component of the 5.0 is limiting." Thanks for showing us that 302 or 4.6, both have plenty of potential. Multiple generations down the road with the Gen 3 Coyote out the 2V gets very little respect. Too often when you're considering a car with 4.6 2V or 3V the reaction is no, don't do that they're junk. Without traction control 400hp from any source has the potential to get you in real trouble if you aren't careful and in possession of a little skill.
Anyone who says that a 4.6 powerplant is junk is an idiot. They're not a 5.0 coyote but they are far from junk. I know because I've owned 4.6s and now I have a 5.0.
@@thollingsworth4910 It's important to know, too. You can't just drop a sbf into an emissions-era car because usually you have to have an engine of at least the same year as the car. For that reason I've pondered the potential of the 4.6 and 5.4 4v engines put in some Lincoln SUVs.
Well said👍
@@thollingsworth4910 yea these days people just regurgitate the same bs everyone else says online without doing any real research for themselves. It's every bit as good of a platform as the windsor 5.0 if not even better as shown in this video. It can get it done na and forced induction just as well as the old 5 liter you don't really see people saying they're junk not nearly like you do the 4.6 motors. Just because it's not as good as the coyote don't mean it's junk but some don't understand that.
@@midnight347 4.6L 2V owner here despite my user handle name on YT, from what I've gathered over the year is that a lot of these enthusiasts are just power junkies. There are very few enthusiasts who are willing to put in the wrench time to get the power output out of these older platforms. It's easier to say, "F** IT" I am getting a coyote car because it makes the power OUT THE BOX verses, I am going to do the research and build it, most do not have the patience or time. Secondly, I wish Rich could have tested my combo. I have TFS 38CC heads, stage 2 bullet grinds, and Foxlake P51 manifold, the combo should do in theory 425-440hp N/A but the video was still good.
I like these comparisons Richard, thanks for the time and effort. For me it's more a matter of what makes the most sense. I'm not interested in shoehorning a mod motor in our fox body so I'll stick with the old architecture. Works well enough for me.
Absolutely man and if you want to come to a Guy that will shoot you straight up and not give you a bunch of B.S. just to get you to subscribe to his channel then Richard is the man point blank! God Bless ✝️ Sincerely Clay B.
I love the recaps
Would of loved to see the 2v 4.6 with the tfs heads and intake compared to the good ol 5.0 motor for a more direct comparison, but fun vid for shits and giggles.
Bang for the buck 5.0 all day long. Easy old school pushrod.
Yeah until u start spiltting blocks u dnt have to worry about that with the 4.6
@@BigUnk85 If your splitting blocks your on the right track. 😆
@@camaromustangmods3327 nah bro if u wanna be serious with a 302 u might as well invest into a dart block everyone knows that.
@@BigUnk85 Already have one
@@BigUnk85 I'd like to see Richard do a 363 with Vortec on E85.
Early 4.6 2V were the NPI versions, hated so much that even Mustang magazines called the 1996 - 1997 cars the "weak-knee'd twits" of Mustang models.
I would have like to see the boost curves side by side. This way we could see some of the efficiency different.
I personally think the 5.0 is a better motor cause the simplicity.
People always say that but there isn't anything complicated about the 2v or any of the mod motors. They aren't hard to work on and they're reliable and they sound just as good if not better.
@@midnight347 no they aren’t hard to work on but ford added things that engine that complicated it for no reason. My car is way more complicated than these engines. I work on late model stuff and an example is c7 z06 and those are a royal pain to do a cam.
I remember these two engine combinations in their stock form in the cars. The 5 L would take the lead through first and second is in the middle of third the 4.6 overhead valve engine would start pulling on top end in the 8th mile the 5 L won every time in a quarter mile the 4.6 wins these were all bone stock engines no modifications whatsoever.
Pushrod 5.0 or modular 4.6 sound SO much better than a Coyote.
I like the 4.6 better.
Not in power numbers but due to how they are built , initially.
The 4.6 has a more stout bottom end and will last longer in every power variation.
Most of us aren’t drag strip oriented, but we’re looking for street performance and durability.
What is wrong with you people? You get performance mixed up with what is long lasting engines. A ford 289 V8 with a 2 barrel carburetor is the answer for easiest to fix and all the power a person would ever need. I remember full sized galaxies in the mid 60s that had enough power for OTR and to get a person killed.
Seems vvt is better then not having it
Isn't the 4.6 a cross flow head design? That will always make more power than a wedge head.
Idk why people fight, I have my fox with a 302, and I have a new phone edge with a 4.6 2V..... And not matter what, I want to pull both engines out and replace them with the bigger truck versions lol. I much rather have a 351w in the fox and a 2V 5.4 in the new edge
I personally think you should have included running the supercharger on a stock motor. You are much more likely to see that setup in the real world than heads, cam/s, intake, AND a supercharger. Also, isn't it true that you risk splitting the block on 302s if you go above 600 HP? I know I've read it in multiple places.
yes the 302’s STOCK block starts to crack above 450 if you aren’t careful, i know some guys who around 500-600hp with a stock block 302 on a Turbo or SC set up , they can hold up pretty good , sometimes...
@@eric5.080 the 2v is stouter by a long shock all the mod motors are (block wise) put forged internals in both and turn the wick up the 2v is gonna hold up to much higher hp because of the block.
What happened to running the same supercharger on both motors? Waste of a video. Just proves, you make power with the parts you throw at it. Two stock motors. Port the heads, add the common cams, add the “same supercharger!” That’s it. Simple. You’re thinking like an engineeer, not an enthusiast.
My question is does the Trick Flow heads on the 4.6 V8 retain the "retarded ass" sparkplugs that are prone to breaking off in the cylinder heads ??
The 5.0 just have more of a pedigree. The 4.6 got too little love too late in life. Almost like ford motor Corp did not care at this point. The 5.0 got tone of support then the 3v and 4v motors show up. Ford should have offerelarger displacement ohc motors.
For 281 cid the 4.6 does great. They do not leak very easy and seal up better. Water pump and timing cover are seamless. I am pro 4.6 being I have made over 1000hp on a 4.6 and stay together much longer
They respond to mods very well. I surprised the hell out of 5.7 mopar guys. I’ve beaten chargers in highway pulls. That’s what gears and being 1,200 lbs light does.
Ditto
This was really cool Richard. What's so remarkable is that they made the exact same power in the exact same way, but they are 2 completely different engines.
I admire your no nonsense approach to your video, you're right, regardless of the base engine , once you modify it correctly using quality parts you will get good results, I came away surprised , I have had many 5.0 engines and my pick up has the modular 4.6, glad to see the 4.6 did so well in responding to mods, this video has renewed my hope of making more power for the 4.6, you now have a subscriber for life.
I have one of the last 4.6 2vlv's ever made by ford. 2014 E250 flex fuel superduty
This gives me so much hope for my 4.6 lol. I'm hoping for 450 wheel in a cammed 2v with about a 175 shot. 😅
I would go with supercharger or a turbo. It's always there when you need it. I ran nitrous for a while on my street Stang and was happy when I went to a supercharger.
@@streetdomn8tor101 yea I would look into the department of boost manifold that allows use of a terminator blower. Not only would the m112 be good for the power level he's trying to get to you also open yourself up to all the superior pd blower options available for the terminator that isn't available for the 2v if you ever wanted to build the bottom end and go nuts.
The old 302 is 2v just a correction. You said it was 4v. And 5.0L is 302 4.6 281.
Can't run them with the same cylinder head (because one of them is an overhead cam motor)
*Cologne laughs*
Had both 4.6 is a turd 5.0 all the way.Chevy made pushrod engines work so did ford after the 4.6 fuk up.
So I would like to see a true 4.6 2v pi engine comparison. I don't think this was fair. It was na 🍎 to a 🍐.
LOL they r both overhead valved difference is one , the 5.0 is a push rod motor and the 4.6 is ohc
Why is this shitty Ford video popping up in my feed both engines will leave you stranded trying out your fancy tailgate waiting for a tow.
Just give me a 289 who cares about hp
Only thing I wish you would add is how much the mods cost? Unfortunately the old saying is true, How fast do you want to go, How much money do you have.
He did a video on it before, just have to search. He uses a pretty similar setup in all of his turbo vids.
So your basically saying build the 4.6 naturally aspirated that sounds like a great idea
Hey I wanted to ask about the ported PI heads and the swirl damn removal. Is that really the best method for porting those? Or were those older pics?
both great motors but ima go with the 5.0 HO block splitting power
The 5.0 is best motor....because it's the one I have...hehe.....
No, the 4.6L 2v is.. Bcuz it's the one i have.. hehe..lol
I have both a PI and Non PI 2v 4.6 and one set of bare PI heads
Crap. 6
I thought it was a pretty good test. I got both motors so I appreciate the in-depth look into both motor side by side with a parts list I would have from summit
Now the question is which one will last longer and more robust in reliability, the 5.0L (302) Windsor V8 in the 92-96 Ford Trucks or the 4.6L SOHC 2V Triton V8 in the 97-03 F150s.
Bate and which. ............... ; p ............... which cost more to get to 400hp? 500hp? .............
It's ok to compare an apple to an orange. One might be better than the other.
I just got a boss 6.2 raptor engine! It's for sale and I would love to see you play with one on the dyno and compare it to the other "modular" engines
Definitely an "other guy" the 6.2 is evidently an orphan. Not quite modular, not quite-not a modular.. I know they can be up to 460ci or 7.5l
To even utter the words “5.0 efi starting the mustang world” is insane.
Plenty of way better engines that made way more HP in the 60’s
289, 302, 351w, 351c, 390, 427 cobra jet, 460.
Better looking too.
5.0l started the 2nd Muscle Car era (which has lasted a lot longer than the original) and all the new stuff makes a lot more power (as they should)
Great video... Thanks for posting. Ever do anything with the 3.9L Thunderbird/Lincoln engine?
I have not
I have a new Ford 7.3 gas. NICE!
Thanks you do so much normal guy can't Mercia yeahhhh.
Why modulars go away?..... Old school rules for ever..... Inmortals
The coyote is literally the mod motors offspring it is essentially a newer mod motor.
Just get a 4valve 4.6, build it, port it, then boost it to thd moon and save time and money.
I have a project Bronco I'm in the process of building. It's a 89 with a 5.8 V8. I've been debating on building up the stock engine or coyote swapping it. I eventually want to add boost and spray for a drag setup. For now I'm just going to stoke it to a 408, put some better heads on and go from there. My questions are is it worth spending the money on stroking the engine and will it be able to handle boost and spray after I do? Or should I just do the swap and build up from there?. Fords are definitely more complicated than LS/LT engines I can tell you that but I refuse to cross brand my vehicle. I'm an American and I love all American brand muscle cars and trucks so I don't have a favorite. My Tahoe will stay GM, my Bronco will Stay Ford, and when I get a Mopar Truck it will stay Mopar.
The 351 block is a thicker casting than a 302 block. You can get more power, and do so safer. That said, a truck coyote from, say a 2016, you'll get instant access to the better part of 400whp. A 351 is gonna be cheaper to build. But a coyote makes pretty impressive power untouched
makes me want to stick my engine on a dyno. got a 351w with aftermarket heads flat tops, .579 lift cam, dual plane intake, fitech and torquestorm!
Where's a good place to look for mods for the 4.6? Additionally I'd love to see a video on swapping Heads from the non PI to the PI
I'll make a video for you in the next few days
Chuck that garbage in the dumpster and LS swap it
Love my 5.0 sbf. I picked up a new CJ5 yesterday. I think it'll be getting a 5.0 302 efi repower.
Did the 4.6 have a beefed up bottom end or was it a stock bottom end? I heard the 4.6 can't handle much more than 400 horses anything above that the bottom end can't handle it.
STOCK BOTTOM END-IT WILL HANDLE A LOT MORE THAN 400 HP
I’ll take the 5.0 HO over the 4.6 any day due to the added complications of the design of the 4.6L engine. I think the engine people should really consider building is the 1994-97 5.8L truck engine.
Muscle mustang and fast fords did a junkyard engine years ago and made 1000 hp.
The 4.6L two valve really isnt that complex. But i still 100% agree, find a mid 90s f150 or bronco with the 5.8l and build...its a great platform
my buddy took out and sold his 302 5.0 that was making around 310rwhp N/A and did a 5.8L 351W Forged Crank/Rods, Aluminum Heads , Custom Grind Cam ETC ... said he would never look back ! new coyotes ain’t a problem for his fox
Got both made more power with the 4.6l albeit it is 327c.i. now with 13.5 to 1 comp ratio with all the trimmings. 607fwhp
Only thing you proved is an engine is nothing more than a air pump. Increase air flow increase power.
Yesterday's 400hp to me is cooler than today's 400hp. Now everything has 400hp so it's not that special. If this was 1970, 400hp would be talked about. 400 is plenty, and if you have 'just' 365, people are calling you "left behind" or "wimpy". These are 2 great engines regardless.
Exactly mate and I know that EcoBoost owners especially will say that these engines are weak and pathetic.
@@CJColvin The reality of EcoBrats is that they are going to keep improving both on efficiency and force power and they've been at it since around 2007 from what recall reading, when they started developing the line, along with the 6.2 (which people ignore as well). So closing in on 15 development and 12 in service. Now the POWERBoost!! I wonder if Super Duty is coming up with something we wouldn't expect. It would have to be with the Power Strike though. 1,050 tq isn't manly enough yet. Lol
How did you make 261 hp on the stock 5.0L ik the computer helps and injectors but dam
the stock power rating of 225 hp is with full accessories, complete air intake, full exhaust with cats and with the factory tune and temperature. we changed all of those
Luckily I don't need to decide which engine is better. I have both and enjoy them equally.
Hey Brother as always you are rocking the videos man but I am curious about something and that being, you said that you got 638-H.P. with the Mustang 5.0L V8 with the Torque Storm Super Charger and the TFS Top End Kit now my question is with you getting 638-H.P. with the combination mentioned now is that with a completely 5.0L V8 STOCK BLOCK or did you have to do anything to it like a main girdle and ARP bolts and things of that nature because I've always have heard that the Ford 5.0L 302 V8 will crack the block at around 575-600-H.P. on average and I know if anyone will know what the true limits of the old school MUSTANG GT 5.0L H.O. 302 V8 ENGINE are it is you Brother with all of the BADAZZ ENGINES that you have built and I am wanting to know what I can do to mine and I have a 1994 MUSTANG GT 5.0L CANARY YELLOW 5-SPEED and I am getting ready to go ahead and start to rebuild her soon and I am needing some of your guidance of how high I can go in the Horse Power department especially since I am going to be driving her almost every day short little trips to and from work with a total mileage of around 43 miles total almost 21 miles to work and the same thing back home and if I can get around 550-575-H.P. TOTAL on a completely STOCK BLOCK 1994 5.0L H.O. 302 V8 REBUILT of course and a daily driver I will be over the moon Brother so please tell me what I need to do and I look forward to hearing back from you Brother and God Bless You ✝️ Sincerely Clay B. Oh I almost forgot to ask you about the TFS Twisted Wedge 11R 170 Heads and that is what do they top out at for Horse Power that they can handle up to and Thank You Again Brother for everything and please keep the videos coming man cuz we (MY WHOLE CREW) WE ALL TRULY LOVE'EM!!! BROTHER 🏁SPEED-MOB-RACING🏁!
the 638 hp reference was with a 351W, but I have run more than that on a 302. the TFS 11R heads are very good
@@richardholdener1727 Thank You Brother for getting back to me and I'm sorry and your right I thought it was the 5.0L I am honestly hoping that I can get around 375 H.P. off the N.O.S. and around 500 H.P. or close to it with a small shot of N.O.S. 100-125 H.P. with the TFS TOP END KIT on my 94 MUSTANG GT and I look at it like this man with your guidance of watching your channel I'll get it figured out and Thank You Brother for all that you put out here for us to learn from and God Bless ✝️ Sincerely Clay B.
One of thems an overhead cam motor 😅😂🤣👍
Why 302 over 4.6 well 4.6 blows intake gaskets the oil filter housing blows and the 4.6 shoots out spark plugs 302 well none of that happens 🤣 I mean anything can blow a intake gasket but the 4.6s are famous for that 302s not so much I'll stick with the 302 plus it's a bigger motor and a stroked 302 to 347 is nasty 😉
I've got a 4.6 thunderbird in the process of getting an entire pi swap. I wish i had a 5.0 bird to start out with though
Look what Johnny Langton accomplished with his 2v auto Thunderbird. I can not find 1 thunderbird with pi heads running the times that his did na with renegade npi heads.
@@madmod hell yeah. So far its been a giant pain in the ass
@@brysonshires9742 Most of the gains in the swap come from the pi cam and pi intake manifold both of which will drop on to a stock 96+ npi head with no issues. Theres also the compression bump going to the pi heads but thats not hugely responsible for the power gains offered. Not only can the npi fit a better cam spec, they also dont spit plugs like pi heads do, and have reasonably good flow without porting when you address the single angle valve job they boast. Johnny went 12.98 in the quarter mile equipped with renegade npi heads, stock pi cams, and a stock pi intake manifold at stock compression through a 4r70 auto. At 3700lbs, i cant find a single pi 2v na running those same times in that chassis. I would 4v swap before pi swapping with how affordable used intech engines are these days but thats not to say the PI heads can't make great power.
@@madmod i would probably reuse the 95 bottom end and heads if it didnt have a spun bearing and no compression on 8
@@madmod you seem to know a ton about these. If i go on rockauto and buy a maruder torque converter, will it bolt right into the 95 trans? If not what would be a better converter to go with, looking for around a 2500stall
You’re the man for doing a trick flow top end run!!! Thanks bro!
20 fewer cubes and the 4.6 makes more torque than the 302. I'd like to see the test of the Trick Flow OHC heads.
Longer rods, more piston dwell
@@rickstorm4198 I'm thinking the Modular heads have better cylinder filling. I could be wrong.
So as it's said, flow = hp, but why ppl talk down on me for going with the TrickFlow Race 195 heads over the 185s n 0.030 over?? Do they hate me cuz they ain't me?? lol..
Ok all well and fine but what about me s197 05 with 408w 😂
yes
The 4.6 has a much stronger block. If the tune isn't perfect, you'll split a stock windsor block at those power levels. Even with a perfect tune, the windsor block will be on borrowed time.
Put all this in a datsun 240 z and fly 🌬️
I would always, always, always go with the 5.0 over the 4.6, why? The aftermarket, Tons & Tons of stuff, oh yeah n that Cubic inch thing!!😂💜💜💜 But both are great platforms, just comes down to preferences 💯‼️ Thanks Sir!!
Yeah because there's no aftermarket for the 4.6. You can get what ever the 5.0 has for the 4.6
the 4.6l doesn't have 30-40 different sets of after market heads, but it does have 1 set and ported PIs
@@richardholdener1727 that's because pi heads aren't absolutely junk like any iron sbf head
@@dougsgtp iron?
@@MikeSmith-ey7ku cast iron heads......
Being you used Trick Flow on the 302 It been better comparison if on the 4.6 if used Trick Flow top end. By using 2V Twisted Wedge heads & TFS cams. Maybe used Victor Jr lower intake with Upper EFI plenum & TB.
Is it safe to run a 4.6 2v 2002 gt with non pi pistons and a V2 supercharger?
yes
Im lost. I spoke to a few specialist and asked them how i could get 400+hp on a 4.6. They all say yeah, with a supercharger yet you're showing numbers that prove it can do more NA. How?
maybe they thought you were asking about 400 wheel hp
@@richardholdener1727 yup, i did mean rw hp. so am i to assume with cams, springs , and ported PI heads as the only mod that i can expect no more than 300HP RW?
I’m afraid to watch this…..😂
Pressure makes diamonds. And horse power…
What about Truck/Triton 4.6L mods?
2WD.
Ditch intake or keep it for the longer runner/better torque numbers?
Long tubes or Tri-Y headers?
Looking for mid-range punch along with a touch of stump pulling.
Daily driver, light trailer duty.
What say you?
I wonder what that trickflow setup would do on a 302 made into a 331 stroker
Power wouldn't be much different if it's running same compression. 302 sized parts make 302 power that is the old saying. If you do a stroker you need a more aggressive setup than would be ran on a 302 to truly take advantage of the extra cubes. Torque would be up some though for sure.
I was told that the 4.6 block is a 302 ci block . My 4.6 block is cast iron.
A 4.6L IS NOT A 302 BLOCK
I’ve had both engines and loved the way both of them ran. These days I have a 5.4 triton that I’m not a fan of and a 5.8w that I haven’t got to drive yet because it needs carb & break work
Any plans to test the Ford 6.2 litre engine?
My 1997 4.6 makes 800 all day