Something that my music professor taught us in school was that “Creativity requires constraint”. Theory puts us in a box of rules, but to be creative, you need to break out of that box ☺️
so true. in music production, we learn theory, the general of song structure, key, etc... then you push to see what you can do. I mean look at Beyonce with Love on Top... 6 key changes??? and the song still slaps
I’m a shutter speed sinner. I don’t use ND’s for my work. I also like to be able to pull images from certain videos. If I find that certain clips are noticeably jittery…I’ll add motion blur and/or (mis)use optical flow to sort it out.
Following 180 degree rule is archaic in many scenarios… in today’s world you can easily add motion blur in post but you can’t remove it. In an fpv world 90 or even 45 degree ss is a must in a lot of situations in order to properly stabilize video in post without any artifacts. Even top directors are known for using 90/45 degree ss in their top movies 👌 Thanks for sharing the right knowledge 👌
absolutely. Too many think too hard about not breaking the rules. That is hopefully going to change when we are all a touch wiser to break the rules just enough to suit the situations
@gothamindembaum saving private ryan is probably the most iconic film that used high shutter speed. They really cranked it to give the footage really hectic war vibes. Other than that I only have heard of a handful of films
great points, i've said for a while 180 shutter angle shouldn't be taught as a absolute must. It's important as a minimum but over cranking can and should be done in many scenarios. anything sports related should almost always be well over 180 unless you want it to be really blurry. Especially important on line by line rolling shutter like most of the mirrorless cameras out now
While most of the points in the video aren't wrong, the title is very misleading, especially with the thumbnail that makes it look like a 172 degree shutter angle is generally preferable. Also, the change from 1/48th to 1/60th while shooting your car definitely didn't have any noticeable effect on the footage IMHO.
@@JasonMorrisphotocinema ah my bad then, you said one sixtieth of a second instead of a hundred sixtieth or one one sixtieth... guess I missed the part where you show it on the camera.
I always have confidence in your videos because you have the extremely professional examples from your own work to illustrate your points. Beautifully filmed examples, too! Thanks for this key lesson about shutter speed.
Do all the buttons and controls work with x-h2s? The dji r3 records only 2 secind clips and then stops. And it freezes randomly. I ordered this already becahse i need if for projects... but thought id ask you too! I appreciate youe chanel
Great video, Jason. I crank the shutter all the time shooting real estate exteriors because like you said, it makes such little difference as long as you're moving slowly, and no one would ever know you went to 45 degrees. Besides, using ND's can come with it's own set of sharpness/color cast/IR pollution issues, all of which gets circumvented by modifying shutter speed instead.
Thank you, you solved aystery for me. Ive heard people say to crank the shutter for post stabilizing but i never listened, i didnt really believe it. You showed that its definitely real learned my lesson. Thank you Mr Morris.
I don't use the 180-degree rule. You can add motion blur in post-production. This is the secret to bypassing neutral density (ND) filters, which then results in correct skin tones and no color shifts from an extra layer in front of the lens. I'm glad someone else is finally talking about this. It confirms that I'm not going crazy after all. 😆
@juanromero961 great question! There is an option in DaVinci called "render in place" it basically pre-renders the clip. Thus not making it an issue anymore. I have a whole DaVinci editing course if you are interested in my editing ways 😅 Hope this helps you bro!
@@sebasfilmedit Just do it as a last step, Sometimes I export the finished project as ProRes file into FCPX and Render the Motion Blur in Reel Smart Motion Blur with an amount of 0,3 which looks the most natural for me. Works 95 % time perfect for me. And tanks about 10-15 additional render time what is not a big thing for me 🙂
TBH the shutter speed, shutter angle thing is in many situations a thing of the past. Now we have super duper GPU /CPUS and can add motion blur in Post. Many stabilsation modus rely on sharp picture without any motion blur, motion designer which need to track something are glad if you don't have any motion blur. Things are different if you are filming without natural light or indoor with artificial lights, you will fight flicker which is a big bummer but that's the only situation the shutter rule REALLY matters (for me). Sure if you have the time to setup Shutter, Filtration etc... clearly do it. But outside on a situation where the fast right exposure is much more important than the motion blur. Crank it baby.
Excellent video! Because of the title I initially went into this thinking "oh no what nonsense will I hear, there must be some sort of interesting take here" but no it was actually very reasonable and I don't think this is controversial at all. If anything this is a proper understanding of how and why a rule like the 180 rule exists, and knowing when to break it. I'm glad you mentioned 90 degrees for sports. Famously, the movie Saving Private Ryan was shot using a 90 degree angle, and many war and action movies and shows after that started using 90 degrees for those "in the field/documentary style" action shots. I think it's easy for people to fall into a comfortable pattern when it comes to creative work. Things like the 180 rule are easy to follow and adjust for, so many will blindly follow it (me included) without really thinking if it's 100% necessary for that specific shot. Thank you for this, this'll help me put more thought into how I do things when I shoot.
This will trigger people. I film with a 216’ shutter. I film at 29.97fps at 1/50 or 59.94 at 1/100fps. Shooting with a 216’ shutter angle allows me to optimise the fps for social media and removes the issue with flicking lights from Australia’s power grid. It’s actually the best and I don’t know anyone who knows about it.
I hate 25 fps and its jittering while panning. But I was too scared to shoot 30 fps at 1/50, because there is no information about it online. So I thought nobody does that. I need to try it now!
@@snappy8k The lack of information online about this is stunning. Especially considering Instagram, TikTok, UA-cam and mobile phones are optimised to run at 30fps, where most people share and view the content.
What's the ideal shutter angle/speed if I constantly take screenshots from my videos and use them as photos. Is 180 not ideal for that? I film myself on a tripod (no camera movement)
Wow, really interesting, even if it's a little hard to understand for me, now. But cool to know !!! thanks for that... How did you mesuring ligth on your device (did you use multi, center or spot metering mode) in very low ligth (like a party), or in a sunset, a dayligth, which one do you used? and why ? thanks for your advice.
I appreciate this video. I’ve seen footage where image quality was sacrificed just to follow the 180 degree guideline. Or the guideline was followed, but color grading (which can make a much bigger difference) was ignored. I wish folks would understand that it’s often fine to ignore the guideline.
Another tip is if you want to shoot at high frame rate to use for stabilization but still want the motion blur of moving people or objects, there's an amazing effect or a plugin. For After Effects, Pixel Motion is built in. It simulates motion blur and you can control the sensitivity of it, so you have quite a lot of control. For plugins, there's RSMB Pro, similar with Pixel motion but you have even more control and it usually looks more natural because it curves the blur as well than just linear blurring. It has for both Premiere and After Effects. You can crank the blur way higher for stylistic long exposure look. (Could be used for time remapping edits where you want to have the long streaks blur then switching to crisp slow motion in just one shot)
Sticking to rules like a fundamentalist will not get you too far in a creative field. Btw I’m sure the people complaining about the “wrong” shutter speed wouldn’t even notice just by looking at the footage presumably on a phone screen
The problem arises when there are many videographers on social media giving TIPS on how to shoot, and those TIPS are taken to eternity as unbreakable mantras. Motion blur is just another tool for telling a story. Cinematographers know this and use it all the time. Do I need more or less motion blur? Many times, I even prefer to lower the shutter speed in a very low light situation when there isn't much movement in the scene and be able to mantain the same f stop or ISO level.
Very informative. It puzzles me that EVERYBODY talks about, the necessity of ND filters and the 180 shutter-rule. Can’t you get as good as a motion blur in post (like Davinci Studio)? One would be more flexible and wouldn’t have the hassle with the NDs all the time. Hardly anybody talks about the negatives/restrictions of using an ND filter like, color-casting, vignetting, having to use a higher ISO sometimes, not being able to use polarizers with a variable ND filter which is usually less of a quality anyway, bad stabilizing results, etc. If the motion blur is only done in post, without NDs, how good and easy is the result of a proper motion blur and quality?
Really great video man! You forgot to mention the most crucially important information though. The very first thing you need to establish is how your camera is reading the data coming off the sensor. The way you deal with motion blur will differ greatly depending on wether your camera uses "rolling shutter" or "global shutter" to read sensor data.
99% of people who watch this video do not have a global shutter sensor and have a CMOS sensor. I did not want to over complicate things that don't really apply to the majority :)
The 180 rule for 24 FPS drama is pretty well motivated (good trade off between motion sharpness. And it creates a dreamy look since you don’t see 50% of the image, enhances the dreamy unnatural look that benefits actors in a drama). 180 look to other use-cases is much more poorly motivated; for example for ultimate reality you’d would want the highest FPS possible and 360 rule (why throw away 50% of the image if FPS is high enough for sharpness?). If ppl just remember what the 180 look is for and trying to achieve (an unnatural motion sharpness, double sharpness of your FPS, for actors/humans in low FPS) that be fine. Thinking of it as a rule and applying it to situations that are completely outside of the scope it was designed for is insane :) if it looks good it is good, apply whatever shutter you are happy with, especially if you shoot high enough FPS to get your subject sharp.
Depends on the project! How you are using the footage with slow-motion/applications,etc. It all depends on the project. Filming for regular things follow the rule and for still capture and have more freedom to be creative in post avoid motion blur. Simple as that!
Very informative. It puzzles me that EVERYBODY talks about, the necessity of ND filters and the 180 shutter-rule. Can’t you get as good as a motion blur in post (like Davinci Studio)? One would be more flexible and wouldn’t have the hassle with the NDs all the time. Hardly anybody talks about the negatives/restrictions of using an ND filter like, color-casting, vignetting, not being able to use polarizers with a variable ND filter which is usually less of a quality anyway, bad stabilizing results, etc. If the motion blur is only done in post, without NDs, how good and easy is the result of a proper motion blur and quality?
additionally, your car's headlight frequency ( 50 or 60hz Led may have started to jflicker.. ) thats the reason why cinema filmed in Europe is using 172.8 Shutter angle when the film is at 24fps. to make sure it is in line with the elecric frequency. More importantly as you said, drone shots if they are proximity ( typically FPV) you increase the shutter speed to make sure there isnt too much Mblur. shutter, just like aperture, or anything really, is a tool in your toolbox..
On a Sony camera (like my α6700), if you go to Shooting > Shutter/Silent > Anti-flicker Set. > Var. Shutter and turn it on, you can set the shutter speed to a much finer degree to get the absolute perfect shutter speed, in case you want that. I never use it personally.
how about shooting real estate videos where I normally shoot at 60fps shutter 120th to slow down 50%. I can add motion blur with a plugin if needed. Do you think there is a base shutter speed where the warp stab works from so say 1/200th
depends if you have cheap LEDs in the rooms you can experience some horrible flicker, for that I would make sure to use the correct shutter speed and NDs or close the Apeture
I set my shutter speed based on electric frequency. North Japan uses 50 Hz and south Japan uses 60 Hz. I adjust my shutter speed based on that. Also if I use gyroflow, I use higher shutter speed while taking electric frequency into consideration.
@@JasonMorrisphotocinemaincompatible electric grids so half the country cannot efficiently help the other half if there is a problem, significantly weakening the redundancy in their grids. It is a very odd situation, pretty much the only country that does this. Fun fact: There was some very weird sounds from my European Panasonic GH5 battery charger in Tokyo, even if it’s supposed to be universal. But I guess 100V/50Hz made it feel too far from home (240V/50Hz).
I work in sports as a DJ and Music Director... our camera operators often crabk shutter speed way beyond. At 60fps theyre crabking into the 240 to 300 area.
Natural motion blur is not always double the frame rate. If you just stick to that and use a higher frame rate, you also reduce the motion blur. Making it not look like natural motion blur anymore. If we concidder 180° the natural motion blur on common 24 or 25 fps, that means that natural motion blur is achieved at 1/40 or 1/50 of a second. That wouldn't change no matter the frame rate. Means at 60 fps you would need a Shutter speed past the 360 degree.
could you pls clarify one thing or me 30 fps - 1/60 - I'm getting motion blur due to slow shutter speed and if I want more MB why not 1/30? 240 fps - 1/500 - what kind of motion blur to expect with a such fast SS?
So what is a good compromise for car chase footage? Also, do certain shutter angles help rolling shutter issues? I have a shoot coming up and will be at 24fps. I have heard that there is a better chance to pull stills if you can eliminate motion blur.
Absolutely. It’s A rule. Not THE rule. People get so caught up in technicalities that they forget to just be creative. Some of the best discoveries have come from people breaking the rules. Why should this be any different? Salute to you for not conforming to the norm. 🫡🔥
Absolutely, for most professional projects you have to apprehend what is required before or while shooting. E.g. fast sport events vs. dreamy night drive scene. I think 180 rule is great for those who are overwhelmed by the variables at the beginning of their journey.
I usually record with 60 fps and 1/100. Gives very smooth playback but with a little bit more natural motion blur. It gives this very realistic feeling video like looking through a window and also enables the higher bitrate on YT
My unpopular opinion is that you can add motion blur in post production whenever you want to but you can't remove motion blur once you filmed with 180° shutter.
Just a question about XAVC HS: I was wondering how to get around the missing 25 and 30p settings in the FX30 with XAVC HS and now had the idea of simply creating a corresponding timeline and filming in 50/60p and then simply leaving the shutter at 50 or 60. Wouldn't that be an equivalent to 25 or 30?
I recently filmed a marathon in 24fps at 180 degree angle and there ultimately was way too much movement in the frame. Everything was just a little more mushy than I would have liked. I wish I had come across this video a day before my shoot, so that I could think about it and try for sharper images.
exactly. some people hear a rule and think it cannot be broken. Fair to say I was the same when learning which is great. We need to understand the rules before we can break them for a reason
Im almost certain that all cameras can do 180. The cases where camera seems to unable to do 180 is when Camera is set to for example NTSC but FPS menu still shows up PAL (25fps) settings. In this case It is possible to select 25, 50, 100 FPS but camera Shutter allows to use NTSC numbers and there is no 1/50 shutter but instead is 1/60, 1/120, etc. Also motion blur nowadays is not a problem. You can add it in post and it almost looks same as natural in camera. You can always add motion blur but cannot take it away if it happens to bee too much.
F-stop is the equation used to approximate the light the lens can let in. The T-stop in the actual value of light that reaches the sensor. T-stops will be identical from lens to lens whereas F-stop won't be. Light diffracts and you will usually get different transmitted light from lens to lens
Thank God that Panasonic just lets you use shutter angle instead LOL But at the end of the day, the audience probably wont care what shutter is set as long as the story is good and the image is good enough not to be noticeable.
I put it on 1/80 for 29.997 frames when I'm on a gimbal, just to make it a bit more smooth. Noticed that when I'm on 1/60 it gets a bit stuttery when I'm making turns
Your problem with the Sony shot is not related directly to shutter speed vs fps but to the wrong shutter speed vs your lens focal (600mm). Read about shutter speed settings settings for particular focal length.
The 180° rule is only a standard. As with every tool, you use them how they work. If the look requires non-standard, that is down to a creative decision
Boy i would like to see next generation Global Shutter sensors, without the downsides the Sony α9 III has. Shooting NTSC format in PAL regions in uncontrolled environments with mixed lighting can be hard. Sometimes you have to change shutter angle to 210 to reduce flicker. The kind of flicker that is not easy to remove in post.
55hz is the best shutter speed because lights are either 50Hz or 60Hz, which can cause LEDs to flicker, and 55Hz works good for p24 and p30 for both 60Hz and 50Hz power.
I said about this many times and thankyou for share this. the people catch te rules and put in the necks and forget about study you own camera in many situations for learn extract 100% of your things and make new fantastic scenes.
100% it is fair to say most learn the rule and don't break it because you're not meant to break rules. But knowing when the break the rule is the key for sure. thanks for commenting this
🤔 i do love breaking rules... May need to learn more of asding in post. I also like slow mo, so 120 or 240fps is necessary to do that decently. Im just learning video more lately so always stuck with 1/48 for 24fps (unless doing slow mo, and my fx3 does it in S+Q mode already, but you have to be set uo for it and have the right cards)
Does anyone else have banding issues? I have this problem when I turn on my lights in the house. I also use the 180 rule. Is there any way to fix this without manipulating shutter speed? I don’t know much about camera stuff so any advice would be appreciated. thank you
You would need to use an anti flicker or variable shutter to dial out the banding. Most modern Sony's will have this feature. Basically, you will want to adjust the shutter by a small fraction. For instance 1/50.1 or 1/50.2 until you see the flicker stop. Play around with the menu and you'll see the option for it.
yes you will need to try match the shutter speed to your frame rate and frequency. NTSC or PAL can be a big factor. Please watch my video NTSC vs PAL which explains exactly this
180deg angle also doesnt work so well for faster shutter speeds. There are some good videos on yt that demo this too. As mentioned though, just do what the shot requires lol
I have broken the 180 degree rule in public places by having a subject that you want to film stay still while the crowd is moving around them. This creates an almost anamorphic feeling where the blur and light leaks from the people are out of focus while the subject is focused. Great tools to use! Great point!
Something that my music professor taught us in school was that “Creativity requires constraint”. Theory puts us in a box of rules, but to be creative, you need to break out of that box ☺️
ohhhh this!
Absolutely right
so true. in music production, we learn theory, the general of song structure, key, etc... then you push to see what you can do. I mean look at Beyonce with Love on Top... 6 key changes??? and the song still slaps
This is the difference between knowing the rule and understanding the principle.
this!
I’m a shutter speed sinner. I don’t use ND’s for my work. I also like to be able to pull images from certain videos. If I find that certain clips are noticeably jittery…I’ll add motion blur and/or (mis)use optical flow to sort it out.
yes grabbing stills can be quite useful
Following 180 degree rule is archaic in many scenarios… in today’s world you can easily add motion blur in post but you can’t remove it.
In an fpv world 90 or even 45 degree ss is a must in a lot of situations in order to properly stabilize video in post without any artifacts.
Even top directors are known for using 90/45 degree ss in their top movies 👌
Thanks for sharing the right knowledge 👌
absolutely. Too many think too hard about not breaking the rules. That is hopefully going to change when we are all a touch wiser to break the rules just enough to suit the situations
@gothamindembaum saving private ryan is probably the most iconic film that used high shutter speed. They really cranked it to give the footage really hectic war vibes. Other than that I only have heard of a handful of films
@@JasonMorrisphotocinemaWong Kar-Wai films also do the opposite in some scenes where the shutter speed is slowed down for a nice effect!
Which top directors and which movies
You reckon I could get away with anything between 90 and 180 on handheld?
The stabilisation in post is not something I had considered. But makes perfect sense 👌
absolutely brother. It is a big one for some shoots
another reason to ignore the 180 rule is to control flicker
absolutely. perfect comment
PERFECT COMMENT RIGHT THERE, flicker in weddings melt my head everytime haha
great points, i've said for a while 180 shutter angle shouldn't be taught as a absolute must. It's important as a minimum but over cranking can and should be done in many scenarios. anything sports related should almost always be well over 180 unless you want it to be really blurry. Especially important on line by line rolling shutter like most of the mirrorless cameras out now
While most of the points in the video aren't wrong, the title is very misleading, especially with the thumbnail that makes it look like a 172 degree shutter angle is generally preferable. Also, the change from 1/48th to 1/60th while shooting your car definitely didn't have any noticeable effect on the footage IMHO.
agree
it was 1/160th shutter. Post stabalisation was added. If you watch the whole video it explains it clearly
@@JasonMorrisphotocinema ah my bad then, you said one sixtieth of a second instead of a hundred sixtieth or one one sixtieth... guess I missed the part where you show it on the camera.
@@halfgraincinematography sorry that’s usually how it’s said here. One sixtieth is 160th, two fiftieth is 250th, three twentieth is 320th and so on
I always have confidence in your videos because you have the extremely professional examples from your own work to illustrate your points. Beautifully filmed examples, too! Thanks for this key lesson about shutter speed.
thank you. I am glad it helped. appreciate your comment
Do all the buttons and controls work with x-h2s? The dji r3 records only 2 secind clips and then stops. And it freezes randomly. I ordered this already becahse i need if for projects... but thought id ask you too! I appreciate youe chanel
Great video, Jason. I crank the shutter all the time shooting real estate exteriors because like you said, it makes such little difference as long as you're moving slowly, and no one would ever know you went to 45 degrees. Besides, using ND's can come with it's own set of sharpness/color cast/IR pollution issues, all of which gets circumvented by modifying shutter speed instead.
Thank you, you solved aystery for me. Ive heard people say to crank the shutter for post stabilizing but i never listened, i didnt really believe it. You showed that its definitely real learned my lesson. Thank you Mr Morris.
thanks. glad it helped
I don't use the 180-degree rule. You can add motion blur in post-production. This is the secret to bypassing neutral density (ND) filters, which then results in correct skin tones and no color shifts from an extra layer in front of the lens. I'm glad someone else is finally talking about this. It confirms that I'm not going crazy after all. 😆
But motion blur in post production is very gpu intensive. It takes longer to render. How do you bypass this?
@juanromero961 great question! There is an option in DaVinci called "render in place" it basically pre-renders the clip. Thus not making it an issue anymore. I have a whole DaVinci editing course if you are interested in my editing ways 😅
Hope this helps you bro!
@@cbcinematics Didn't see that sales pitch coming up. but great tip man. Thanks.
@@OnlySufyanKhaneven the question seems set up
@@sebasfilmedit Just do it as a last step, Sometimes I export the finished project as ProRes file into FCPX and Render the Motion Blur in Reel Smart Motion Blur with an amount of 0,3 which looks the most natural for me. Works 95 % time perfect for me. And tanks about 10-15 additional render time what is not a big thing for me 🙂
TBH the shutter speed, shutter angle thing is in many situations a thing of the past. Now we have super duper GPU /CPUS and can add motion blur in Post. Many stabilsation modus rely on sharp picture without any motion blur, motion designer which need to track something are glad if you don't have any motion blur. Things are different if you are filming without natural light or indoor with artificial lights, you will fight flicker which is a big bummer but that's the only situation the shutter rule REALLY matters (for me).
Sure if you have the time to setup Shutter, Filtration etc... clearly do it. But outside on a situation where the fast right exposure is much more important than the motion blur. Crank it baby.
Excellent video! Because of the title I initially went into this thinking "oh no what nonsense will I hear, there must be some sort of interesting take here" but no it was actually very reasonable and I don't think this is controversial at all. If anything this is a proper understanding of how and why a rule like the 180 rule exists, and knowing when to break it. I'm glad you mentioned 90 degrees for sports. Famously, the movie Saving Private Ryan was shot using a 90 degree angle, and many war and action movies and shows after that started using 90 degrees for those "in the field/documentary style" action shots.
I think it's easy for people to fall into a comfortable pattern when it comes to creative work. Things like the 180 rule are easy to follow and adjust for, so many will blindly follow it (me included) without really thinking if it's 100% necessary for that specific shot. Thank you for this, this'll help me put more thought into how I do things when I shoot.
This will trigger people. I film with a 216’ shutter. I film at 29.97fps at 1/50 or 59.94 at 1/100fps.
Shooting with a 216’ shutter angle allows me to optimise the fps for social media and removes the issue with flicking lights from Australia’s power grid.
It’s actually the best and I don’t know anyone who knows about it.
I hate 25 fps and its jittering while panning. But I was too scared to shoot 30 fps at 1/50, because there is no information about it online. So I thought nobody does that. I need to try it now!
@@snappy8k The lack of information online about this is stunning. Especially considering Instagram, TikTok, UA-cam and mobile phones are optimised to run at 30fps, where most people share and view the content.
What's the ideal shutter angle/speed if I constantly take screenshots from my videos and use them as photos. Is 180 not ideal for that? I film myself on a tripod (no camera movement)
Wow, really interesting, even if it's a little hard to understand for me, now. But cool to know !!! thanks for that... How did you mesuring ligth on your device (did you use multi, center or spot metering mode) in very low ligth (like a party), or in a sunset, a dayligth, which one do you used? and why ? thanks for your advice.
I appreciate this video. I’ve seen footage where image quality was sacrificed just to follow the 180 degree guideline. Or the guideline was followed, but color grading (which can make a much bigger difference) was ignored. I wish folks would understand that it’s often fine to ignore the guideline.
You’ve touched upon a very important topic today. Not a lot of people talk about it. I’m glad you did. Cheers 🍻
thank you
Another tip is if you want to shoot at high frame rate to use for stabilization but still want the motion blur of moving people or objects, there's an amazing effect or a plugin. For After Effects, Pixel Motion is built in. It simulates motion blur and you can control the sensitivity of it, so you have quite a lot of control.
For plugins, there's RSMB Pro, similar with Pixel motion but you have even more control and it usually looks more natural because it curves the blur as well than just linear blurring. It has for both Premiere and After Effects. You can crank the blur way higher for stylistic long exposure look. (Could be used for time remapping edits where you want to have the long streaks blur then switching to crisp slow motion in just one shot)
Do you think that what you are talking about can also apply to the drone? After all, there is no motion blur.
Sticking to rules like a fundamentalist will not get you too far in a creative field.
Btw I’m sure the people complaining about the “wrong” shutter speed wouldn’t even notice just by looking at the footage presumably on a phone screen
agreed haha
The problem arises when there are many videographers on social media giving TIPS on how to shoot, and those TIPS are taken to eternity as unbreakable mantras. Motion blur is just another tool for telling a story. Cinematographers know this and use it all the time. Do I need more or less motion blur? Many times, I even prefer to lower the shutter speed in a very low light situation when there isn't much movement in the scene and be able to mantain the same f stop or ISO level.
I knew that there were reasons to break the rules, but I never thought of stabilizing in post. Very cool.
Learned something new today, I can now go to sleep happy
Very informative. It puzzles me that EVERYBODY talks about, the necessity of ND filters and the 180 shutter-rule. Can’t you get as good as a motion blur in post (like Davinci Studio)? One would be more flexible and wouldn’t have the hassle with the NDs all the time. Hardly anybody talks about the negatives/restrictions of using an ND filter like, color-casting, vignetting, having to use a higher ISO sometimes, not being able to use polarizers with a variable ND filter which is usually less of a quality anyway, bad stabilizing results, etc.
If the motion blur is only done in post, without NDs, how good and easy is the result of a proper motion blur and quality?
Really great video man! You forgot to mention the most crucially important information though. The very first thing you need to establish is how your camera is reading the data coming off the sensor. The way you deal with motion blur will differ greatly depending on wether your camera uses "rolling shutter" or "global shutter" to read sensor data.
99% of people who watch this video do not have a global shutter sensor and have a CMOS sensor. I did not want to over complicate things that don't really apply to the majority :)
The 180 rule for 24 FPS drama is pretty well motivated (good trade off between motion sharpness. And it creates a dreamy look since you don’t see 50% of the image, enhances the dreamy unnatural look that benefits actors in a drama). 180 look to other use-cases is much more poorly motivated; for example for ultimate reality you’d would want the highest FPS possible and 360 rule (why throw away 50% of the image if FPS is high enough for sharpness?). If ppl just remember what the 180 look is for and trying to achieve (an unnatural motion sharpness, double sharpness of your FPS, for actors/humans in low FPS) that be fine. Thinking of it as a rule and applying it to situations that are completely outside of the scope it was designed for is insane :) if it looks good it is good, apply whatever shutter you are happy with, especially if you shoot high enough FPS to get your subject sharp.
Panasonic also recommends 360° shutter angle for 60 fps and above, and apparently it's normal for broadcasting at higher frame rate as well
Depends on the project! How you are using the footage with slow-motion/applications,etc. It all depends on the project. Filming for regular things follow the rule and for still capture and have more freedom to be creative in post avoid motion blur. Simple as that!
Very informative. It puzzles me that EVERYBODY talks about, the necessity of ND filters and the 180 shutter-rule. Can’t you get as good as a motion blur in post (like Davinci Studio)? One would be more flexible and wouldn’t have the hassle with the NDs all the time. Hardly anybody talks about the negatives/restrictions of using an ND filter like, color-casting, vignetting, not being able to use polarizers with a variable ND filter which is usually less of a quality anyway, bad stabilizing results, etc.
If the motion blur is only done in post, without NDs, how good and easy is the result of a proper motion blur and quality?
your explanation about warp stabilizer is so damn good 🔥
thank you. glad it helped
I AM USING 1/60 AT 50 FPS FOR MOTOCROSS FOOTAGE. FOR TALKING HEAD THERE NOBODY CAN SPOT A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 1/48 AND 1/60 S SHUTTER SPEED.
additionally, your car's headlight frequency ( 50 or 60hz Led may have started to jflicker.. ) thats the reason why cinema filmed in Europe is using 172.8 Shutter angle when the film is at 24fps. to make sure it is in line with the elecric frequency. More importantly as you said, drone shots if they are proximity ( typically FPV) you increase the shutter speed to make sure there isnt too much Mblur. shutter, just like aperture, or anything really, is a tool in your toolbox..
i have disagreed with this dude many times in the past but this was his best video ever imo, gj
that's good. we are all adults and we can't agree on everything. completely understand. thanks
On a Sony camera (like my α6700), if you go to Shooting > Shutter/Silent > Anti-flicker Set. > Var. Shutter and turn it on, you can set the shutter speed to a much finer degree to get the absolute perfect shutter speed, in case you want that. I never use it personally.
how about shooting real estate videos where I normally shoot at 60fps shutter 120th to slow down 50%. I can add motion blur with a plugin if needed. Do you think there is a base shutter speed where the warp stab works from so say 1/200th
depends if you have cheap LEDs in the rooms you can experience some horrible flicker, for that I would make sure to use the correct shutter speed and NDs or close the Apeture
What's the correct shutter angle for 120fps? It's not 180 degrees.
What brand is your ND Filter setup that you're using here?
I set my shutter speed based on electric frequency. North Japan uses 50 Hz and south Japan uses 60 Hz. I adjust my shutter speed based on that. Also if I use gyroflow, I use higher shutter speed while taking electric frequency into consideration.
oh my!!! both different frequencies! that is so strange. I head back to Japan in January so thanks for letting me know this!
@@JasonMorrisphotocinemaincompatible electric grids so half the country cannot efficiently help the other half if there is a problem, significantly weakening the redundancy in their grids. It is a very odd situation, pretty much the only country that does this. Fun fact: There was some very weird sounds from my European Panasonic GH5 battery charger in Tokyo, even if it’s supposed to be universal. But I guess 100V/50Hz made it feel too far from home (240V/50Hz).
@@randomgeocacher wow I had no idea. So strange! Thanks for commenting this too
Oh wow, never realized this makes such a diffrence in the warp stabilizer results. Great to know.
glad it helped
Beautiful Truck, my Brother, and Thank You very much for carefully explaining this!! Best Wishes to you and your Loved Ones. 🙏🏾
thanks very much
Iv always wanted answers to the when can you break “180” rule in regard to exposure. Thanks Jason!
oh awesome! I hope this helped your question
I work in sports as a DJ and Music Director... our camera operators often crabk shutter speed way beyond. At 60fps theyre crabking into the 240 to 300 area.
yes specially to get really tac sharp video
This answers my curiosity about the stabilizer shaking when I use the 180 rule. Many thanks Jason !
glad it helped
Natural motion blur is not always double the frame rate. If you just stick to that and use a higher frame rate, you also reduce the motion blur. Making it not look like natural motion blur anymore.
If we concidder 180° the natural motion blur on common 24 or 25 fps, that means that natural motion blur is achieved at 1/40 or 1/50 of a second. That wouldn't change no matter the frame rate. Means at 60 fps you would need a Shutter speed past the 360 degree.
could you pls clarify one thing or me
30 fps - 1/60 - I'm getting motion blur due to slow shutter speed and if I want more MB why not 1/30?
240 fps - 1/500 - what kind of motion blur to expect with a such fast SS?
You concerned about shutter speed, while my client asks me wouldn't this all be easier to shoot with an iPhone, it's just as good right?
So what is a good compromise for car chase footage? Also, do certain shutter angles help rolling shutter issues? I have a shoot coming up and will be at 24fps. I have heard that there is a better chance to pull stills if you can eliminate motion blur.
do you break the 180 degree shutter rule?
Absolutely. It’s A rule. Not THE rule. People get so caught up in technicalities that they forget to just be creative. Some of the best discoveries have come from people breaking the rules. Why should this be any different? Salute to you for not conforming to the norm. 🫡🔥
Absolutely, for most professional projects you have to apprehend what is required before or while shooting. E.g. fast sport events vs. dreamy night drive scene. I think 180 rule is great for those who are overwhelmed by the variables at the beginning of their journey.
All the time when shooting 60fps. For 60fps, you use 1/60 to get the same motion blur amount with 180 degree.
Definitely! Usually I shoot at 100th while shooting at 25 fps. Reason being is that I mostly shoot static objects handheld and stabilize it in post.
180 for 25 / 360 for 50
Thank you sir. This is the kind of advice needed to help noobs like me. Legend 🙌🏽
I usually record with 60 fps and 1/100. Gives very smooth playback but with a little bit more natural motion blur. It gives this very realistic feeling video like looking through a window and also enables the higher bitrate on YT
What did you have before the WildTrak Jason? For outdoor video + photo work, a truck is very useful, especially for those hard to reach places.
Great tips mate. I enjoyed the video.
Glad you enjoyed it. thanks for watching
My unpopular opinion is that you can add motion blur in post production whenever you want to but you can't remove motion blur once you filmed with 180° shutter.
Just a question about XAVC HS:
I was wondering how to get around the missing 25 and 30p settings in the FX30 with XAVC HS and now had the idea of simply creating a corresponding timeline and filming in 50/60p and then simply leaving the shutter at 50 or 60.
Wouldn't that be an equivalent to 25 or 30?
I recently filmed a marathon in 24fps at 180 degree angle and there ultimately was way too much movement in the frame. Everything was just a little more mushy than I would have liked. I wish I had come across this video a day before my shoot, so that I could think about it and try for sharper images.
Yep, great topic! Rules of thumb are just that. Not hard law's, but guidelines. You did a great job explaining when to break them and why. 🤘
exactly. some people hear a rule and think it cannot be broken. Fair to say I was the same when learning which is great. We need to understand the rules before we can break them for a reason
what nd filter was that? thx
Place camera on tripod, set shutter into 1/8 and record cars or people passing :)
yes yes. Shutter drag is delicious! thanks for commenting this my friend
Keep up the great videos you do mate
Man you make such good informative videos! Definitely a lot of stuff I'd never thought of in there!
thank man! that means a lot!
Im almost certain that all cameras can do 180. The cases where camera seems to unable to do 180 is when Camera is set to for example NTSC but FPS menu still shows up PAL (25fps) settings. In this case It is possible to select 25, 50, 100 FPS but camera Shutter allows to use NTSC numbers and there is no 1/50 shutter but instead is 1/60, 1/120, etc.
Also motion blur nowadays is not a problem. You can add it in post and it almost looks same as natural in camera.
You can always add motion blur but cannot take it away if it happens to bee too much.
The blinking subscribe while you've asked for it got me to do it :P
No, I've really learned something here. Thanks!
Welcome aboard!
90% 30fps 120, 60fps 200ish. I don't want motion blur, It's better for sports.
👑 King.
I notice a higher shutter speed took out blur from footage made with dynamic steady shot on Sony ZVE1.
yes it does. This is where you have the option to add motion blur in post too if needed
Always learning 🙏
Great explanation mate👍
thank you
Awesome video Jason. I always learn from your content. Thank you!
thank you
Great video! What ND are you using ?
its the freewell K2 VND
Somewhat random Jason but what’s the major difference between the sirui anamorphic lens with F-Stops vs the anamorphic cine lens?
F-stop is the equation used to approximate the light the lens can let in. The T-stop in the actual value of light that reaches the sensor. T-stops will be identical from lens to lens whereas F-stop won't be. Light diffracts and you will usually get different transmitted light from lens to lens
Thank God that Panasonic just lets you use shutter angle instead LOL
But at the end of the day, the audience probably wont care what shutter is set as long as the story is good and the image is good enough not to be noticeable.
What do you think about adding motion blur in post with rsmb or something like that?
definitely. Adding motion blur in post has worked a few times for me. It depends on the situation as sometimes it looks a little off
I put it on 1/80 for 29.997 frames when I'm on a gimbal, just to make it a bit more smooth. Noticed that when I'm on 1/60 it gets a bit stuttery when I'm making turns
thanks for the Information. I'll try on my next video for sharpness and details.
see how it goes. Try find that even middle ground
Your problem with the Sony shot is not related directly to shutter speed vs fps but to the wrong shutter speed vs your lens focal (600mm). Read about shutter speed settings settings for particular focal length.
Good to know. The sharper it is the easier it is to do green screen work too.
exactly!
The 180° rule is only a standard. As with every tool, you use them how they work. If the look requires non-standard, that is down to a creative decision
Great tip with the stabilization in post!
Yeah a lot of people didn't know this. Thanks for watching
Love the next level info man. Thanks.
thank you very much!
When people find out most sports is shot on a tighter angle
Shoot I run 1/250 to 400 in 60fps for sports 😂😂😂😂😂
Boy i would like to see next generation Global Shutter sensors, without the downsides the Sony α9 III has. Shooting NTSC format in PAL regions in uncontrolled environments with mixed lighting can be hard. Sometimes you have to change shutter angle to 210 to reduce flicker. The kind of flicker that is not easy to remove in post.
55hz is the best shutter speed because lights are either 50Hz or 60Hz, which can cause LEDs to flicker, and 55Hz works good for p24 and p30 for both 60Hz and 50Hz power.
thanks for commenting this my friend
I said about this many times and thankyou for share this. the people catch te rules and put in the necks and forget about study you own camera in many situations for learn extract 100% of your things and make new fantastic scenes.
100% it is fair to say most learn the rule and don't break it because you're not meant to break rules. But knowing when the break the rule is the key for sure. thanks for commenting this
@@JasonMorrisphotocinema is this!! tks so much!
24 fps is terrible when panning and everything shudders
yes. All depends on the panning speed too. there is an "optimal" panning speed for certain frame rates. even some high end films get this incorrect.
🤔 i do love breaking rules... May need to learn more of asding in post. I also like slow mo, so 120 or 240fps is necessary to do that decently. Im just learning video more lately so always stuck with 1/48 for 24fps (unless doing slow mo, and my fx3 does it in S+Q mode already, but you have to be set uo for it and have the right cards)
The compression isn't different. It's still a 50mm. You're just cropping in.
I mean't in comparison to full frame field of view. compression was a poor choice of word. my videos are unscripted
Does anyone else have banding issues? I have this problem when I turn on my lights in the house. I also use the 180 rule. Is there any way to fix this without manipulating shutter speed? I don’t know much about camera stuff so any advice would be appreciated. thank you
You would need to use an anti flicker or variable shutter to dial out the banding. Most modern Sony's will have this feature. Basically, you will want to adjust the shutter by a small fraction. For instance 1/50.1 or 1/50.2 until you see the flicker stop. Play around with the menu and you'll see the option for it.
yes you will need to try match the shutter speed to your frame rate and frequency. NTSC or PAL can be a big factor. Please watch my video NTSC vs PAL which explains exactly this
Mate, you're not in yankland so that’s not a truck it's a ute! But, I almost forgive you because your video was well done.
😂 I had to talk their lingo. Not sure if they know what a Ute is haha
@@JasonMorrisphotocinema Can't argue with that, keep up the good work!
I use 172.8 or 216 to avoid flickering all the time
If the shutter speed is below 1/150 I don’t want it. Rules be damned!
Ugh. Did you have to share our secret? Shh!
Great tips. Thanks
thank you
Dude I really never really thought about doing this 🤔 appreciate the tip. Ha yea I remember seeing this on your IG comments 😅
No problem brother. haha yeah It was a good topic and I am glad someone actually commented this
Yes, the 1/48 motion on Fx30 gives off this wierd ass motion blur! I see it alot on TV shows & it drives me crazy
What frame rate are you shooting in?
@@AllThingsFilm1 24.00
Oh! interesting. It should be natural motion blur in that case
Can you list us the shows?
@@JasonMorrisphotocinema exactly and that’s what blowing my mind, the 1st time I used it. It was FLAWLESS, then it just started looking weird.
Words to live by folks so pay attention!
hahaha exactly!
Thanks
180deg angle also doesnt work so well for faster shutter speeds. There are some good videos on yt that demo this too. As mentioned though, just do what the shot requires lol
I have broken the 180 degree rule in public places by having a subject that you want to film stay still while the crowd is moving around them. This creates an almost anamorphic feeling where the blur and light leaks from the people are out of focus while the subject is focused. Great tools to use! Great point!