DON'T choose the WRONG CODEC for Sony FX30, A7IV, FX3, A7RV
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- What Codec to use for your Sony camera? XAVC HS? XAVC S, or XAVC S-I?
These are the questions we explore in this video.
Each recording format has its pros and cons for it. This video explains the differences between the codecs and why you might choose one or the other.
After this video I have decided to change the recording format that I personally use for majority of my social media content mainly to save on space.
Storage space is the main key factor to why you won't film in XAVC S-I because it has such large files.
ATTENTION: Just make sure you also test your codecs to see if that color difference is with your camera also. I am convinced it is with the codec and not camera specific in the A7IV and FX30.
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There are actually situations where the S-I codec is lower quality than all of the others. Its prone to macroblocking. It's really only better when shooting scenes with a lot of motion. The HS codec is roughly twice as efficient and computers will handle it better if you're in the 4:2:0 chroma subsampling. It's when you go to 4:2:2 that computers will have a difficult time and you may benefit going to S since it's a bit less compressed.
The technical reasons in simplest terms: S-I records brand new images for each frame. Less compression but more data needed to do that. Easier for computers to handle but more drive space. S is h.264 and creates one full image every few frames (I frames) and in between those it determines just the differences from the last frame to the next. HS is h.265 and will do the same thing but instead of just looking at the frame before it it will also use the frame after it to determine the differences. That's why it's harder for computers to edit it but it maintains its quality at lower bitrates.
Yes, that. I shot a project in S-I with the A7IV and FS7 and on S with the A7III, from 3 different angles. The A7III looked the best, because the other two cameras had so much macroblocking, that effectively the resolution went from 4K to 1080p.
so what codec is best for me if I shoot outdoor sports?
As a note: there is no hardware accelerator /asics for decoding h264 10bit at all on any consumer hardware. In h265 there is an accelerator for 10bit 4:2:0 on most modern gpus and some other hardware, but ONLY intel supports h265 10bit 422 (in the latest three generations) Maybe apple does in m1 too but I'm not sure.
@@definingslawek4731Apple Silicon has hardware acceleration for encoding/decoding 10bit 422 for both H.264 and H.265.
@definingslawek4731 intel Arc and Intel CPU's just to be specific as well. If you have an AMD cpu and want to utilize 422 then you can buy a cheap arc gpu and have a solid budget build.
I started my video editing journey over a year ago and I used to wonder why videos never looked as polished as urs, after watching numerous courses on colour grading and also currently on a few colour courses with davinci and learning about colour spaces and all, am starting to really respect and appreciate your grade on a different level⭐
Its not the color grading itself, its the lighting mostly.He knows how to get everything right in camera then post looks amazing.
How did you achieve it
@@KN-mi7mh this comment here makes know you have a good knowledge of this genre you are absolutely very correct😅😅...I also started taking courses on lighting and bought better lighting equipment too...learning about,3 point lighting when to use it,how to create certain moods and use shadows and lights effectively..did not realise this in itself was an artform
@@Panther-what courses did you take
I've always shot with the HAVC-HS. The differences in picture quality and color are too little for me to really care for, most of which I'm able to tweak in Davinci anyways. So to me, the Pro's outweigh the Cons. Luckily, I've built my computer to be GPU heavy to be able to run Davinci Resolve and I've had no problems! Plus, when doing weddings, sometimes the clients choose to have all the unedited footage. I found that HAVC-HS can be played back on almost every computer. The other two, some clients cannot play back the RAW data. So in order to do that I'd have to take all the footage and render it in an MP4 file just so they can watch it on their computers or devices... and I don't want to run into that issue. Also, I love having footage be great right out of camera, and the Cinetone does great, especially with controlled lighting. To me, you can have to most gucci camera on the most gucci settings, but if your lighting is bad, it's going to look horrible anyways. If you have great lighting, and a lower-to-mid-teir camera, it's always going to look better! But yeah that's just me!
ive converted the files to mp4 etc
Cheers bro. Great video. Helped me a lot. Much respect from WA
best video out there explaining this by far. so thank you
This channel is making me into a better creator and videographer so much value, keep it up !
thank you
I do agree ! I would choose the "S-I" for my short movie projects and social network projet I would choose the "S"
If he says H-Haaachhh one more time im going to lose my shit lol
Wait till he says HHWWHISTLE.
Amazing Information as always. Yes that slight color shift in HS is for sure strange. Its also great seeing the 1800% comparisons. Thanks Jason! Cheers!
can you please make a video showing how to transfer xavc s 4K video files from the a7iv to iPhone?
Thanks Jason, great video as usual. My desktop is ancient, but I am still able to edit the HS files using proxies in Premier. It does add another step and additional time, but it makes editing so much easier and I don't have to get a new desktop yet.
How old? Nothing will open and play on my i7 omen gaming laptop
Biggest difference maker is whether or not your processor supports the newer h.265 codec. If you’re running an M1 you basically don’t need to encode at all. I don’t on my M1 MacBook Air.
I have the M1 MacBook I’m thinking recording in HS 4k 10bit. Good idea?
THANK YOU for making this video! I feel like this is never covered.
What a blessing having found your channel! Super useful and educational content! Keep them coming!👊
Which codec is best to play videos back on computer i have a Dell XPS 9730? So far computer can't play anything back
Dude that was sick, explained very well. Cheers!
Conclusion: You use just buy Mackbook pro M1 pro chip and use XHVC HS H265 all resolve pretty
Can’t use this codec with PAL (25fps/50fps) #sonya7iv
Weird, could be the PAL format or higher frame rates - No colour shifts on my FX30, A7IV & FX3 at all on 4K 24p 10 bit 422 highest bit rate NTSC but yeah, even if it happens, it's a quick fix.
Thanks for this video! When you bring the footage into your editing software (I use FCPX) do you let the software Transcode the media? Or do you just edit directly with the original files?
I tested identical 4k video clips at HS and S in the a7IV, and they were the exact same size. And the HS was actually easier to scrub through in Premiere...
for films we can go for xavc s-i
Thank you for this! Clean, on point and what I wanted to know.
Thanks Jason, appreciate this video. Liked and subscribe 🤙
Do you always shoot 50p? Just wondering because you have selected it.
So which would the most people recommend?
I was wondering... I noticed this in my XAVC HS footage the other day.
never has a problem with hs unless its high bitrate, i just lower the bitrate, its a better compression anyways.
What about the sports scenes, which have relatively fast camera movements and picture changes
Great video my friend!!! Wichone its the uhd??? The xavc si???
Hi which is better card brand other than sony tough is it Lexar or Prograde, Please advice
My sd card reader does not work to transfer vids to my phone what do I do
this câmera make 4:3 vídeo format from câmera?
Ahhh… 0:54 this happened to my multicam FX30 xavc hs (greenish) and A7iii xavcs (magentaish) 🤔
heyy thanks for great content, you are the best bro, can i ask what is you settings for shooting this video? wich coden has been used for this content?
Did you shoot this is slog 2 or 3?
Is there a way you can trim long videos off the camera.I’m having trouble getting my 10 bit file off the camera
how are you not getting large pixels when zooming in at 1500%? on my a6700 the image becomes pixelated at less than 400% zoom?
Hey there, I just accidentally recorded a couple of clips in XAVS-I HD 60p and they will not play for some reason in FCPX or even from my desktop through Quicktime. Only with VLC player. The clips show up as black in FCPX? First time it has ever happened to me... MAC Studio M2 MAX and FCPX 10.7.2 ? I have never had clips not able to play on my Mac's. The clips playback fine in my Sony A7IV in camera but show up Black in FCPX? Any help please... Good thing it is just 2-3 clips but weird... Thanks for any suggestions
Thank you, this helps
someone sends me the video files (sony a7iv) in MOV format when i import in premier it doesnt work. so then change the file format everytime. what format should be used inside camera to avoid this hustle?
thank you!
Is 4k24 also oversampled in 7k? or is it only the 4k30?
Anyone has any updates if the new updates changed anything for the FX3 in this regard? V3 or V4?
which keyboard is using at 6.20 min ?
How do I shoot in XAVC long with a6700?
Can anybody help me figure out the main differences in terms of quality, compression and weight between MXF files coming from a Sony FS5 and XAVC coming from a FX30 as I am considering doing the switch of camera.
I want to know how much my editing workflow will change with this new codecs.
Thanks
What strap are you using on that FX30?
maybe somebody know, why I see same size files on SD card? I lot of files has size 67.3mb, 134.4mb, 201.5mb.... but files are not same duration (2, 3, 5 secs and others...)
waiting for that give away to drop
It's weird seeing people call XAVC S-I "all I codec"
I used the FS7 a lot and that camera had XAVC I, XAVC L while the A7s as a b cam did XAVC S
XAVC I was all intra
XAVC L was long gop
XAVC S was even more compressed
Now we have XAVC S-I??
That's the new intra frame codec?
That naming scheme just hurts my brain
S-I
Compressed Intra
No 1 camera pilz
What is a hache?!?
Thanks mate, I think I'll just shoot ProRes RAW and spend about an extra grand in HD space!
JK 😉 XAVC-S Gang for life.
and a7siii 😭
I do not get the color shift. I shot a grey card at the same exposure for both HS and S. They were literally identical coming out of my FX30.
Totally agree!! S is the perfect combination of quality and compression as many reviewers have pointed out. Much easier to edit with and no discernible loss of quality. Clients who edit with my video files are much happier. HS not for everyone…Thanks for the nice video!!!
Ironically h265 is a lot easier to edit (if you have the hardware accelerators for it, most modern computer hardware has 10bit 420 h265 decoders but only the latest three generations of intel cpus with igpus have 10bit422 h265 decoders)
The reason h265 is easier to edit in this case is because there exists no decoder for 10bit h264.
Super helpful! I plan to move to XAVC S from HS after watching this!!!
I've just today about an hour ago actually ordered myself the FX30, and have always been set on that camera for a while. I'm so glad I subscribed to you a while back when I first discovered your FX30 videos, they've helped me out so much with knowing exactly what to get alongside the camera such as SD/ CFeXA cards. Very clear and concise explanations with every feature I've had questions with, thank you again and I'll be sure to let you know how I've faired with it once I put it to use for my videos!🙌🏻 🎥
As a serious amateur photographer who is getting into videography, I just want to say a huge thanks for your incredible videos sharing all this info, it's unbelievably valuable!
Would be great if you followed this up with a second video on colour profiles and shooting log - I still get a bit confused.
Cheers mate!
confused?? like i am . i was shooting sony a7iii and video was were I struggled. Now the Fx3 is complicated, still trying to figure out what is best for less memory issues
Sorry, but green effect using h265 codec is result of incorrect interpretation by software you are using (for example adobe premiere). No problem and no any differences in Blackmagic Davinci Resolve Studio 18
Thanks so much for the explanation! Im shooting on A7IV and I love how relatively small the XAVC-S files are. Does the same apply for 1080 100p recording in your opinion?
My takeaway is if you have a modern apple silicon laptop, then XAVC HS all the way, but frustrating there's only 24p and 60p, 30p is missing.
I hope Sony updates the FX6 with the XAVC - HS Codec @ 200MBPS.
There is not a middle ground with the camera.
The biggest difference is in the type of 4K and 1080p video where in XAVC S HD you have a RIDICULOUS bitrate of 50Mbps while in XAVC S-I HD it goes to incredible 422Mbps that makes an ABSURD difference in quality.
I thought it was extremely stupid for Sony to limit the bitrate to 1080p
Hi! thank you, that's actually interesting, I don't have 100 frames on my Sony a7IV. Does anybody know why?
Try walking on a brick road and record in all these codecs. Artifacts on bricks will be noticeable for S and HS, but not in Intra. And it is noticeable to the point for not usable footage.
You should update your "PAL Regions" map ! At 2:14 there is a map indicating PAL regions, I know at least France, which is not included, is a PAL country now (it uses to be "SECAM" which was a different 50i format from PAL, but in any case at lot closer to PAL than to NTSC). The thing with this map is it doesn't show the "SECAM" regions, which are all 25p or 50i regions. In fact you should either include PAL/SECAM/NTSC regions map or, more to the point nowadays, a 25 vs 29.97 map. Cheers
Jason, your approach to differentiating the Sony codecs is way good enough for this non pro guy. Thanks for making it easy!
I just use XAVC S 4K for balance between amount of data and image quality on my FX3 and I´m very happy so far.
You can play it well on your Computer? my system can't play xavcs well.
@@janw1982
I can edit the footage in Premiere no problem, but I do render proxies on bigger projects just to be safe on occassion and I have pretty strong hardware. VLC Player is often kind of slow and laggy at playing the files though.
You'll be happier with the s-i codec, just get a v90 sd card and it'll make worlds of a difference, I don't even need to use proxies . And play back in full 4k in software is smooth .
@@lucrativestance I have a v90 card and MacBook m1 , trying to decide which format to record in?! Keep going back between S I and HS.
*I've learned that XAVC HS doesn't work on Adobe Premier Pro unless you switch back to XAVC S & You can edit just Fine. I'm Hoping that Adobe comes up with a Update*
i recorded my video on " *XAVC HS 4K* " with " *50M* 4:2:0 10bit" on "23.97 fps". it is smooth while playing the video normally but facing the glitch issue while editing on davinci resolve 18. can anyone help my how I can fix this issue, my whole project needs to be reshoot if I cannot resolve the issue.
I am seeing wierd horizontal blocks of green and pink while playing only on Davinci but not while playing on VLC player or any other player
1:46 this is no issue at all. Set up DNXHR or DNXLB proxy media in davinci, come back later, and super fast playback 👍👍
What are the work benches/shelves you use in the backround?
I am on set right now, filmed all day in 24p 4K HS codec and every time I try to see playback in camera the videos play for a few seconds and then always say play back error? Happens on many many clips , has anybody ever had this happen? I saved to 2 cards at the same time and will have to check when I get back home on my computer. But kind of nerve racking. I recently had something similar when recording 60p HD HS videos that they would not play back correctly on my computer for some reason. Mac M2 studio. Thanks for any suggestions
Very informative video dude! I've been shooting with HS on both A7IV and FX30 and had no idea about the color shift. I'll have to run some tests to see if my footy is coming out more green! Thanks for all that you do, let's rock it this year 🙌
Why when I select XAVC S-I 4K I can’t change my recording settings
What setting would be ideal for SD cards that are 256gb 190 MB/s V30?
If I remember correctly, the free version of Resolve does not support 10bit 4:2:2. Can anyone confirm?
Correct.
Have they made a change in the latest firmware as all you early youtubers have FX30s that display the round FPS number 30, 60 etc. When I have mine in NTSC I get the 59.94 etc numbers instead.
Very interesting, thanks. I have been shooting S I all this time and always wondered if there is any loss in quality. What about fast moving action is there any change with the data loss? Though like you said very hard to tell because of the movement. But thanks you may have saved me lots of money on CfExpress A cards and harddrives.
Looks like I'll be going with S... especially since it's the only mode that offers 30 FPS.
I actually own an M1 MacBook Pro and it can't handle XAVC-HS.
I'm buying both a7iv and fx30 and i'm back to the gym because of you jason
useful on codecs, for sony FX30 and a7r V in particular.
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The XAVC-I with 25P 250Mb/s hav an very Shitty Quality, with moving obijects.
No
@@JasonMorrisphotocinema You have to buy glasses.
H.265 HEVC is much better then H.264 old codec.
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Very good video, but it has a serious error on the issue of editing.
The 10-bit XAVC S codec does not support gpu acceleration for decoding in Premiere, and this stresses your cpu even if you have a 12th gen i7. It happened to me in the first video I recorded with the a7iv and it was horrible to edit. If you're going to use XAVC S, it should be 8 bit, and I don't see much sense in it either, being able to use 10 bit and have a greater range of color editing with the Sony a7iv, Siii and fx.
Instead XAVC HS supports gpu decoding in premiere, especially if you have a 12th generation intel cpu with gpu included to take advantage of the quick sync function and work together the nvidia gpu and the video card built into the cpu.
Thank you for this. Will try it
Does premiere support the 10-but SI?
Really useful video. I’ve been wondering about this. With the FX 30, I’ve been pondering how to rig it with a small Rode microphone and an external monitor in a simple way without unbalancing the run and gun simplicity of the FX 30. What I really want is something like the fda-ev1mk electronic viewfinder that was sold for earlier Sony compacts small and mounted on the flash mount not the larger clumsy bulky external viewfinders generally available. Any suggestions please ?
„XAVC-S I retains all image quality“ 5:20. As far as that is concerned, i disagree and I’m tired of hearing again and again that XAVCSI has the best quality. I made a detailed video on the subject, where it can be clearly seen that you cannot make the general statement that XAVCSI has the best quality.
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Also that the codec is uncompressed 5:36 is not true.
hello, Jaso, great video btw that really help me understand the different file settings on my sony. got a little bit of an interesting question for you I've got a Sony A7 VI and I've come across a slight issue when recording when I go to playback it won't come up on my pork keys monitor I have to switch off the monitor and view it on the the camera monitor which I find quite tricky to do because it's so small and I don't know why it's doing that just wondering if you could help?
I always use proxies edit the stuff final the timeline then replace the media with orignal and Color grade it then render h265 is good enough regarding quality and size
I think I read/heard somewhere that the color shift in HS is just on Macs, and that there was a fix.
I believe when your shooting externally tho, like the Ninja V+ it's recording Prores, and it's basically just like XAVC S-I i believe it's all-Intra when shooting with the Ninja, and it's like 500 MBPS..
IMHO it looked like XAVC HS had the highest quality instead of XAVC SI
The inability to use 25fps in PAL is ridiculous.
What we're doing here is utilizing the dunning Kruger effect you think blowing up the codecs for a peek with your eyes and the compression changes between the storage formats, mostly 444 I hope in your screen and the real world camera reacquisition from another camera sensor crunching down what it sees internally showed no difference... You're very wrong.
Try some green screen or red screen for that matter on anything on those codecs with a flat color key and you'll see the enormous difference if you set your ISO and lighting correctly per camera and know the sensor to RGB 8-10-12 etc modulation in mixed with 420 422 444 respectively. Do it, you'll be surprised what actually happens and what you missed.
hi Jason Morris you go go straight to the point I like your video I would like to ask you if you know why my sony records let's say for 30 minutes but cut the 30 mm into 4 to 5 clips for me to put the together and make it the 30 mm long ??
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Thanks