It's Hay Baling Day!

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  • @I_Am_DeLuca
    @I_Am_DeLuca 3 роки тому +64

    The big question - how long will 20 bales last you in the winter months? What does that math look like?

    • @JustaFewAcresFarm
      @JustaFewAcresFarm  3 роки тому +81

      Great question. Our cattle consume 1 bale every 2 to 2.5 days. So this is 40 to 50 days worth of hay.

    • @I_Am_DeLuca
      @I_Am_DeLuca 3 роки тому +15

      @@JustaFewAcresFarm so do you think your total yield this year will make it so you don’t have to buy bales this winter?

    • @JustaFewAcresFarm
      @JustaFewAcresFarm  3 роки тому +40

      @@I_Am_DeLuca That all depends on how the weather plays out this summer. I plan on buying hay in any case, so we can keep a reserve in the barn.

    • @deckyBWFC91
      @deckyBWFC91 3 роки тому +6

      @@JustaFewAcresFarm are ye able to get a second cut on that field?

    • @JustaFewAcresFarm
      @JustaFewAcresFarm  3 роки тому +32

      @@deckyBWFC91 We will get 3 cuts if the summer is not too dry.

  • @doug4320
    @doug4320 3 роки тому +96

    Pete, I noticed that the squealing noise goes away as soon as you get hay in the baler. My guess is that one of the belts is just slightly longer than the others and that it is slipping on the drive roller until hay puts pressure on it. Nothing to worry about. I have been farming full time for 27 years and I think the camera shots inside the baler are one of the coolest things I have ever seen!

    • @55gws
      @55gws 3 роки тому +3

      I think the squealing is the belt running against the bottom roller when it s empty of hay.

    • @chadmyers09
      @chadmyers09 3 роки тому +2

      Yeah that was amazing. The squealing does sound like a belt. You can hear it in cars sometimes when a belt is slack or stretching. What I can't figure out is how the string doesn't get all tangled with the belts

    • @Streeterm
      @Streeterm 3 роки тому

      Exactly

    • @RnDRace
      @RnDRace 3 роки тому +3

      @@chadmyers09 String and the hay roles around the inside of the belts - the string is fed in through the gap in the belts - quite nifty.

    • @chadmyers09
      @chadmyers09 3 роки тому +1

      @@RnDRace Ah ok, that makes sense. Thanks!

  • @BrettCraft
    @BrettCraft 3 роки тому +4

    Thanks for taking the time to give us a ride inside the bailer. Watching you drive the older tractors never gets old! 👍🏻

    • @BrettCraft
      @BrettCraft 3 роки тому

      Also. The drone footage is like a yield map of the field.

  • @HillsideAcres
    @HillsideAcres 3 роки тому +96

    That was an awesome view with the camera inside the baler, also shows how good of shape your baler is in! Right on at 20!

    • @rochrich1223
      @rochrich1223 3 роки тому +10

      Nice shot. It also explains the squeal before the bale gets started. The roller in the center of the shot doesn't turn until the hay puts some pressure on the belts. It does look like a non-problem to me.

    • @FelonyVideos
      @FelonyVideos 3 роки тому +6

      Yeah. That was genius level technique. Nothing like seeing the inner workings of machinery.
      I'd love to see a high speed camera inside a combine now!

    • @rochrich1223
      @rochrich1223 3 роки тому +5

      Good point. My impression was the force needed to turn the roller wasn't high enough for concern. However the test to see which opinion is the truth is to feel the bearings to determine if they get hot.

  • @jeffreynolds6804
    @jeffreynolds6804 3 роки тому +48

    Pete you scared the daylights out of me when you put your camera inside the baler because all I could think of is I hope he doesn't lose his camera, but I have to say that was some awesome footage on the inner workings of the round baler. My dad used to tell me to drive like a drunk man when round baling to make a pretty bale! Love your videos!!! Keep them coming!

    • @oscarb9139
      @oscarb9139 3 роки тому +4

      Don’t sweat the camera. If it was lost, the next video would be about the rumen and intestines.

  • @big.g.fromohio3546
    @big.g.fromohio3546 3 роки тому +39

    I watch a few channels about farming. You’re the first to put a camera in your baler. Very interesting and completely opposite of how I thought those make a bale.

  • @duett445
    @duett445 3 роки тому +1

    Peter Larsson , your produce my favourite farm videos and you are my favourite farmer.

  • @marianneellman480
    @marianneellman480 3 роки тому +1

    Thank you that was just wonderful!
    Especially when you put us in the baler!
    Was fabulous and now l know more than l knew before watching your video.
    Great job!
    I am sure others agree with my thoughts..🌾🌾🌾🌾🌾🌾🌾🌾🌾
    Thank you.🌾🌾🌾🌾🌾

  • @ImpHalla66
    @ImpHalla66 3 роки тому +2

    Best description of how a 5x5 baler works on the internet. Nice camera work.

  • @notschfarm
    @notschfarm 3 роки тому +54

    Hey Pete, I’m 14 and I spent all day yesterday raking hay for my grandpa, love working in the fields, and when your done that great feeling of accomplishment. I rake with a Farmall B and I believe a new Holland 52 rake. I really like your videos, keep up the good work!

    • @jonathanking3497
      @jonathanking3497 3 роки тому +4

      You and Henry could compare raking techniques

  • @donnaparrish1429
    @donnaparrish1429 3 роки тому +2

    The baler is way too cool! Thanks for showing us! The hay is beautiful!

  • @jerrysdemo
    @jerrysdemo 17 днів тому

    Thanks Pete for showing us today how the bales are rolled in the machine. Putting the camera in the baler did the trick. Love your videos. Read your book and enjoyed it very much.😁

  • @ronmcswain5986
    @ronmcswain5986 3 роки тому +21

    The view from inside the baler was great. It is the first time I have seen it from the inside do it’s job. Thanks for sharing your’s and Hillary’s joy of doing what the two of you love to do for a living.

  • @trytobetheballpeople
    @trytobetheballpeople 3 роки тому +8

    How could anyone give this video a thumbs down? Pete works hard plus works hard on putting these great videos together! You thumbs down people don't belong here. Now run along.

  • @billladuke3201
    @billladuke3201 2 роки тому +2

    One of the most informative videos to us non-farmers. Very cool!

  • @craigskinner2183
    @craigskinner2183 3 роки тому +6

    I already knew how round bales are made, but having the camera in there was so cool. What a great idea!

  • @jazko
    @jazko 3 роки тому +16

    The camera view from inside the baler was incredible !

  • @justtinkering6054
    @justtinkering6054 3 роки тому +1

    I don't see anything wrong. Those are good looking bales. Camera in the baler was a great idea! I have always wondered what it looks like when a bale is being made. Thank you!

  • @markallison8854
    @markallison8854 3 роки тому

    Had a 656 tractor when I was a kid .best tractor we had .God bless you brother 👉👍👍👍😎😎😎😎

  • @katieandkevinsears7724
    @katieandkevinsears7724 3 роки тому +14

    The whining sound looks like a belt rubbing until the hay gets started. Thanks for the interior view.

    • @scrotiemcbogerballs8286
      @scrotiemcbogerballs8286 3 роки тому +2

      My opinion too belt doing something

    • @scotthawkins8740
      @scotthawkins8740 3 роки тому +1

      I think it's the belts rubbing on the bottom roller until the hay gets between !! I kinda remember my dad commenting on this back in the eighties also !! We had Vermeer's back in the early 70s and then we had two Deere 510s !! the first one was a better baler than the second just because the tye adjuster worked better

  • @elaineschwarzhoff238
    @elaineschwarzhoff238 3 роки тому +2

    I miss haying season on the farm I grew up on!
    I drove an old farmall like yours when I was young only we used loose hay at first until dad got an old baler! Square bales filling the hay mow! Memories of the farm!!!’ Oh that smell of fresh hay

  • @guernseygoodness
    @guernseygoodness 3 роки тому +4

    I’m impressed with how handy a former “city slicker” is with running old equipment! 😉

  • @onemorchatykathy
    @onemorchatykathy 3 роки тому

    This Chicago grandma enjoys watching something I know absolutely nothing about. I’m glad my folks got us out of the city but still lived in town all my life. I can see I missed out on a lot of hard work!

  • @garyfuiten5126
    @garyfuiten5126 3 роки тому +15

    My Brother in law is a Gehl. Related to the Gehls who bought that company many years ago. We live near West Bend here in Wisconsin. Gehl has kind of an interesting history but also sad. Going past that place in West Bend as a kid the place was huge. Now the old buildings are gone. But I think there's still a small presence.

    • @Hassle68
      @Hassle68 3 роки тому +1

      Part of manitou now, I think, they're keeping the Gehl name though to sell their products in to America

    • @kylecasetta4091
      @kylecasetta4091 3 роки тому +1

      Small small building for research and development. I work literally a block away. Mostly all testing for skidders and lifts and such.

    • @robertbak4108
      @robertbak4108 3 роки тому +1

      Manitou is the Cadillac of tele-handlers. They still make Gehl tele-handlers and skid loaders in Atlantic Iowa

  • @justinjames5750
    @justinjames5750 3 роки тому +1

    I liked the sound of the tractor idling at the end of the video

  • @charlesburkhart800
    @charlesburkhart800 3 роки тому +2

    Very satifying to see hay being put up for animal feed in the winter.

  • @geographytalks9257
    @geographytalks9257 3 роки тому +12

    Seeing inside the baler was amazing. Great idea. It's so fascinating. Ngl I thought the weaving at start was unintentional 😂

  • @AdamMuhle
    @AdamMuhle 3 роки тому +7

    I didn't realize I was so spoiled running my grandpa's John Deere 535 in the late '90s. I guess that baler was pretty fancy - monitor with left/right size indicators, dual automated twine arms that kicked in when the bale was full size and the monitor beeped, a kicker so you didn't have to back up. My brother bought a newer Vemeer last year, I can't imaging the gadgets that thing must have!
    Also, I already knew how a round baler worked, but watching it from the inside was pretty cool. Good job!

  • @hectorcartagena2870
    @hectorcartagena2870 3 роки тому +5

    Amazing shots inside the baler. Thats how you give the people what they want. Well done Pete !!!!!! 👏

  • @TOAD7464
    @TOAD7464 3 роки тому +3

    Very cool camera shots. If this was a tv show with no drama, I'd watch it.. oh wait, I did watch it

  • @Token_Civilian
    @Token_Civilian 3 роки тому +7

    Great shots from inside the bailer. That was real enlightening on how those round bailers work.

  • @swankamber
    @swankamber 2 роки тому

    Pete, this video is my son's favorite! He is three years old and if you ask him what do you want to watch he always says Pete make hay bale. Thanks for the great content that anyone can enjoy from three years of age to 65 and up.

  • @skycrapsglider
    @skycrapsglider 3 роки тому

    I will sleep much better tonight knowing you got your hay bailed before the rain ! We made square bales for are dairy cattle in Iowa back in the 60's and 70's with a New Holland . Great bailer .

  • @annalorree
    @annalorree 3 роки тому +2

    I helped make hay on my parent’s ranch every year from age 5 to 30. I miss that smell of cut grass and diesel smoke, watching the barn swallows dance through the sky as they catch insects, and the joy of seeing June Beetles on the field stubble.

  • @erictilley4095
    @erictilley4095 3 роки тому +1

    Yes awesome sight of those Bale's ...you're as fast or faster then it's supposed to be... great job Pete...

  • @1620Eltito
    @1620Eltito 3 роки тому +2

    I have to say, one of the best videos on UA-cam. The amount of information he is giving AND the video editing. Great job and thank you!

  • @dwaynekoblitz6032
    @dwaynekoblitz6032 3 роки тому +7

    This is just fantastic Pete! Really great camera angles. Inside the Baler was AWESOME! Really really good. 20 bales sounds pretty good to me.

  • @bigfrazr03
    @bigfrazr03 3 роки тому +1

    Thanks for this video! The footage from inside the baler was excellent!

  • @markgoodman6249
    @markgoodman6249 3 роки тому +10

    Really Pete, your camera work is improving all the time. That inside the bailer view was great!

  • @azimus1776
    @azimus1776 3 роки тому

    Nothing prettier in all of farming than the sun setting on a field of freshly baled hay. Thanks for sharing Pete!

  • @richardsabean5781
    @richardsabean5781 3 роки тому +2

    Great way of teaching Y/T what your thinking,, self taught for sure.. You make a great teacher...

  • @MyNameIsChristBringsASword
    @MyNameIsChristBringsASword 3 роки тому +6

    That squeaking sound of the baler is the sound of money my friend. When it kicks the bale out the back it should chime like a cash register.

  • @glengillis7542
    @glengillis7542 3 роки тому +4

    Loving the haying series Pete. Great job. Thanks for your hard work and video producing efforts

  • @claytonschase
    @claytonschase 3 роки тому +10

    This series has been really amazing to watch and learn. Love the drone shots as well.

  • @joanifay5544
    @joanifay5544 Рік тому

    I found this to be a very interesting show. As being married to a farmer from Saskatchewan Canada. It was interesting to learn how a round baler works so thanks for making this video. I always enjoy watch your videos.

  • @wadecaudill77
    @wadecaudill77 3 роки тому +2

    That was cool putting us in that Baylor I farm for quite a few years as a farm hand that's the first time I seen a bale of hay made God bless you and your family see you later

  • @redcossack245
    @redcossack245 3 роки тому +1

    Wow! Another great video. I had no idea till you put us inside how the round bailer worked. Thanks!

  • @colinomeara1608
    @colinomeara1608 3 роки тому

    Thanks for the Demo Pete.
    That was Fun to watch.
    Cheers,
    Colin

  • @mokpot
    @mokpot 2 роки тому

    That was GREAT! Thanks for the peek inside of the Baler, I have been curious about that for years.

  • @jimmusson
    @jimmusson 3 роки тому +1

    The video inside the bailer was one of the coolest things I have seen in a long time.

  • @jondaniel540
    @jondaniel540 3 роки тому

    What a fantastic idea to explain how a round bale is made!!! I have watched many baling videos and nobody has thought of that. Excellent…: thanks Pete👍👍👍

  • @jerrystott7780
    @jerrystott7780 3 роки тому

    Thank you, that camera inside the bailer was a great idea. No one used round bailers when I grew up around the farms. All square bails and human powered loading and unloading. Have a great day.

  • @joebarbjb6668
    @joebarbjb6668 3 роки тому +4

    Thanks that demonstrated so well how the bailer works. I really enjoyed seeing and learning that, you are an excellent teacher.

  • @mitchz.6234
    @mitchz.6234 3 роки тому +1

    Very Kool Pete....never had an inside look at a round baler!!

  • @timmathewson9111
    @timmathewson9111 3 роки тому

    I really enjoyed this video. Loved listening to the sound that the tractor and baler make when baling hay. It is a sweet purring sound that brings back memories.

  • @pryor3515
    @pryor3515 3 роки тому +6

    Love how you tell us rookies things that other people might already know 🤣.. I learn a lot from watching your videos 👍👍

  • @richarddemers1750
    @richarddemers1750 3 роки тому +1

    Think of the person that came up with the idea of round bales and to build the machine to do it and it actually works. Genius. Great video. Thanks

  • @HallHomestead
    @HallHomestead 3 роки тому +3

    We just our new property bailed for the first time, never thought I would be so excited about have big bails of hay stacked in a barn before!
    Maybe one day I'll be able to do it myself like you Pete!

    • @HallHomestead
      @HallHomestead 3 роки тому +1

      @crimsonwizard01 laugh, let me edit/fix that!

  • @Cinder2008
    @Cinder2008 3 роки тому +1

    I started watching for the farming. Now I stay for the comedy.
    I enjoyed the video.

  • @jimstein8249
    @jimstein8249 3 роки тому +3

    So glad you are getting some hay and having good weather.
    It's a bummer having to buy hay for hungry cows

  • @joehovanec1985
    @joehovanec1985 3 роки тому +2

    It's good you showing how a bale is made. You have interesting and informative videos. I assume quite a few people also enjoy your videos. Keep them coming.

  • @ABMFARM
    @ABMFARM 3 роки тому +5

    Exceptionally Great Video!!! I have watched most of the hay videos on you tube at one time or the other, You by far just took the time to make one of the best Round baling videos i have ever seen! Thank You for taking the time to do that! I run old equipment myself and there is nothing like knowing how it works. Better yet nothing like knowing you can fix it if it breaks! Again Great Video..

  • @larrymoore6640
    @larrymoore6640 3 роки тому

    Pete once again I enjoyed the start to finish of a bale. Seeing how it was actually made seeing it from the inside was special. Thanks for the rides....

  • @crazycoyote1738
    @crazycoyote1738 3 роки тому

    Pete, your crisp, proportional videos, and drone works are superb!! And the idea of installing the camera in those specific locations, doesn’t leave any open questions or miss understandings.
    Thanks for your hard work!!

  • @tomecho1
    @tomecho1 3 роки тому

    That inside the baler view was very cool! Thanks for showing it!

  • @BrandonLayMusic
    @BrandonLayMusic 3 роки тому

    Thank you for showing how the magic happens. You got friends in Tennessee! Great production and educational

  • @timperry2648
    @timperry2648 3 роки тому +1

    That was unbelievable!! Great video. You've become an expert at editing and filming. Your videos are so engaging due to the many different angles and comments throughout. I so love your videos. You old timers are the best...God Bless!!

  • @JDL_2020
    @JDL_2020 Рік тому

    That old baler does a nice job, very clean fields, not much wasted at all.

  • @slytrader
    @slytrader 3 роки тому

    That bailer is pretty neat. This has got to be the best purchase you have made on the farm.

  • @brentkreinop489
    @brentkreinop489 3 роки тому +18

    a 4ft diameter, 4ft wide bale will be about 50.27 cubic feet, a 5ft diameter, 5ft wide bale is about 98.17 cubic feet, so the bigger of the two has 1.95x as much volume as the smaller one. Just how much hay is in each one will also be a function of how tightly it is wound, but the volume difference is almost double.

    • @WorldsBestWatcher
      @WorldsBestWatcher 3 роки тому +4

      Awesome. "The power of r squared."

    • @Urugami45
      @Urugami45 3 роки тому +3

      I did that math, too, and got the same results. So it's almost 100% more volume in the 5x5.

  • @dougrobillard5924
    @dougrobillard5924 3 роки тому

    Never get tired of watching your videos. I've learned more about small farming and family farming over the past few months than I thought I could. Keep making great content, and the Sunday videos are some of the best.

  • @kathypetruic4177
    @kathypetruic4177 3 роки тому

    Thank you very much for taking the time to show how the round bale is made .That was great to see .

  • @BRUtahn
    @BRUtahn 3 роки тому

    I love your smile at the end: a farmer proud of and satisfied with the results of his hard work. I am a farmer in the making, got to experience that feeling quite a bit this fall when I made meals entirely out of food I produced. I learn so much from you, thank you so much for taking the time to make your videos.

  • @504carl
    @504carl 3 роки тому +1

    I was always thinking about how bailer work but I'm glad to see thanks to you. Well done Pete.

  • @mfults6915
    @mfults6915 3 роки тому +7

    I have a 1465. You can actually make those bales tighter by adjusting the TDC valve

  • @joseph.2790
    @joseph.2790 3 роки тому +3

    The camera in bailing chamber is a great idea! 😀 And tractor sounds great! :D

  • @lucgelinas3970
    @lucgelinas3970 3 роки тому

    Pete,
    Great job on creating this simple but detailed video on how the round bales are formed. 👍👍👍

  • @michaelcollins6851
    @michaelcollins6851 3 роки тому

    Good one Pete feeling better about winter already

  • @soapsfromhome9979
    @soapsfromhome9979 3 роки тому +2

    Farming is so fascinating! Love to watch your videos…….and love your jokes lol!

  • @abrahamscall
    @abrahamscall 3 роки тому +5

    Pete, thanks for explaining the lot of a small farmer. It says a lot about how farms are run a managed.I have always been interested in farming and some of the terms are beyond me, however you make them simple. Keeps up with the jokes....

    • @ChevyConQueso
      @ChevyConQueso 3 роки тому

      Never been a better time to learn. If you didn't grow up in it or work in ag, it used to be pretty hard to find information on it. Now UA-cam is absolutely full of good farming channels. I grew up in it and have been dying to get back into it. These videos will have to tide me over for a while longer.

  • @georgebarnessr5472
    @georgebarnessr5472 3 роки тому

    Did enjoy it and thanks for the ride inside.

  • @ericanhorn811
    @ericanhorn811 3 роки тому +1

    So cool the Videos you do for us to watch Pete. That was a awesome idea. Now I am not sure about the others. but I can't wait until you paint the 656 and see it in it's new glory!! I hope you paint the loader too.

  • @Olusola84
    @Olusola84 Рік тому

    I’ve been watching your farming videos for years, but only now realized you have a 656 while researching a 1969 656D that I might purchase. Thanks for the great content!

  • @ritabrunetti381
    @ritabrunetti381 3 роки тому

    Peter, I'm glad you're pleased with the amount of bales there are. I had no idea how many there would be. Now, freshen up, have a fine dinner with the family and relax, if you can.

  • @harveypenner2386
    @harveypenner2386 3 роки тому +2

    Wow.. did this ever bring back memories! Our main tractor when I was a kid was a 656 and the round baler was really a progressive piece of equipment back then. Thanks for sharing!!!

  • @notMrKeeber
    @notMrKeeber 3 роки тому

    I have wondered for years how round balers worked. Diagrams are cool and all, but ACTUALLY seeing how it happens is so much cooler. Thank you for doing this!

  • @centralparkcoffeeco.cafeba6634
    @centralparkcoffeeco.cafeba6634 3 роки тому +5

    I remember when we switched to big bales, my dad loved it, but I missed putting the small bales in the hay mow with the elevator.

    • @cathiwim
      @cathiwim 3 роки тому +5

      It just takes so many people to get the job done! With families having fewer children, its harder to find help for putting up hay

  • @kenwestlake7461
    @kenwestlake7461 2 роки тому

    I grew up on a farm in Benton Ontario Canada and it was a beef and pork farm my parents had .We owned a 44 Massey Harrison gas tractor and Massey Ferguson MF 65 diesel tractor with loader and a Ford N and I don’t know what number We did square bales .Massey Baler with a motor on the front and hand crank wheel to start the engine he had to start it by hand we had the exact same rake you have.we had 200 acre farm. Your videos are great good job. I enjoyed watching them this morning brought back great memories.

  • @ChadMcFarland_CanadaEHTeam
    @ChadMcFarland_CanadaEHTeam 3 роки тому +2

    Thanks so much Pete! I have an almost identical baler I bought for $1000 this year and this will be my first year making hay. Your videos sure have helped me figure out what to do once the grass is ready here. Been very droughty so far but getting some rain now in the past few weeks so hoping the grass will pop up big soon!

  • @klazyy641
    @klazyy641 3 роки тому

    We did rectangular bales on our ranch---luckily I was too young to buck the bales, but not too young to catch my death of a case of hay fever! I remember not being able to breathe and then finally being able to partially open my eyes in my grandma's kitchen. I claim that her bread baking is what brought me around. Thanks for the video, Pete!

  • @donnellykieranj
    @donnellykieranj 3 роки тому

    One of your best and most enjoyable videos yet Pete. You looked like you were in your element. Summer greetings from Ireland. Silage season is in full swing over here.

  • @RatdogDRB
    @RatdogDRB 3 роки тому

    That's a fine start for the winter stores. Congrats.

  • @greatnorthern706
    @greatnorthern706 3 роки тому

    There is something really satisfyiing about the whole cutting, tedding and baling process. I love it. Thanks for the ride-along Pete!

  • @deckyBWFC91
    @deckyBWFC91 3 роки тому +2

    Delighted for you, great work done there. Can't wait until I can do it myself.
    Keep the videos coming!!

  • @geraldblackwell1387
    @geraldblackwell1387 3 роки тому +1

    Excellent video. Your channel is the best!!

  • @kylebrueggeman4190
    @kylebrueggeman4190 3 роки тому +2

    Thanks for the inside look! Always wondered how it did it

  • @mikka811
    @mikka811 3 роки тому

    Very interesting to see the baler at work! I for one I had always wondered. See, in my time it was rake with wooden rake, put in stack and loader on a wagon drawn by horses. On my dad’s little farm anyway. Thank you very much for the time to share.

  • @williambrandt5860
    @williambrandt5860 3 роки тому

    You put a lot of work into this video! The many camera angles you did was amazing!!! Thank you Pete !

  • @66block84
    @66block84 3 роки тому

    Watching you work these machines Pete, is my nightly meditation.

  • @bladestoe6568
    @bladestoe6568 3 роки тому

    Safety Sam Approves of this video ! No limbs, fingers, or toes were harmed in the making of this video ! Pete has revolutionized the recording of making a bail from an obsolete great piece of machinery. Which was an amazing buy for $1,000! Score ! I’ve never seen a video from inside ! I might be new but still never seen one