Yes, I was just wondering Why the Heck is everyone buying the same car. Buy the new Z or the new upcoming Type R. This seems like some undercover Toyota marketing stunt.
@@fr1571 these cars were extremely popular early on UA-cam and you see them at almost all track days. they are like owning a Porsche for half price. cheap to maintain and they handle like a dream. i owned 1 before and plan to buy the new one
You nailed it. That's what I like about these videos also. He and Mark don't assault our senses and insult our intelligence with terrible music and strobe light cut scenes. This is my favorite car review channel.
Awesome! I got my BRZ back in November. No problems and I love it. It's my daily. The thing I like about it the most--it feels like I'm driving a CAR and feeling it under me, not making suggestions to a computer on 4 wheels. Anyone who thinks they'll like it definitely will.
I found your channel when they did the press release for this car back in June and I am so happy you got one for long term. You're such a good host and your channel is just downright pleasant. Thanks for the great content!
Thinking about selling my 2021 Volvo XC60 and replacing with the BRZ or 86. I want to get back to driving enjoyment and this seems like the perfect car. So excited about this series from you guys!!
@@jansonb482 In what ways, and why? Same engine, same transmissions and gearing (?). Weight should be within a few pounds, and drag too. Or do you mean faster around a track? (Vs straight acceleration times )
@@scottanthony3426 I've read some articles (can give you the sources if you want) and the laptimes were quicker by roughly half to a full second on a race track. They say that at low speed both suspension settings work differently and that the 86 turns in quite a bit faster wheres in the BRZ you have quite a lot more understeer. Its all in suspension settings, 86 is faster but the BRZ is more comfortable to drive on public
I really look forward to this series. I keep looking at weekend cars and want the power of say a supra or a Nissan Z... but I keep coming back to the fun, simplicity and price of an 86...
I put my order in last week for essentially the same car. So this series couldn't have come at a better time! I appreciate todays video in particular, as it answers my questions about paint protection and what I need to be ready for on day one. Your guys' in depth video is the reason I went with this car in the end, so thank you
@@singular9 21 MPG around the city and 31 in the highway is not too bad. I mean it is a sports car, you can't buy one and expect to save gas like a Prius. . lol
My point is everything with cars is "give and take". They actually listened to all the criticism from the first gen and made real improvements. I'm happy the direction the car went, and now looking to get a second gen myself. If I want fuel economy and low cost if ownership, I'll pickup a 15 year old Corola or Civic.
@@PH-fz9cj I love both channels but this ones been slipping lately. Production values are going down and apparently they've hired a rodeo clown to pick out the music.
I love when Chicago Auto Pros jumps in. I think mixing up your format a but at times like this is a good break for us with your formula. nothing wrong with it!! but it's a nice change for a bit. Almost showcases your versatility if anything
Super stoked to see you guys and Everyday Driver get some real ownership experiences out of these cars. They're on a short list for me to replace my C7.
Roberto (my wife’s boyfriend) drive one of those, he says “ no drift button on this baby, this is for men that can handle power “ I’m so glad my wife have a great taste
Hi Gentlemen from Germany! Great channel: very interesting topics, professionally filmed, commentated and cut! I used to have a S2000, have a supercharged Miata ND and look into adding a GR86 for the cold season. So this longterm test and tuning project is exactly what I needed! Thanks a lot and keep up the great work! Yours, Soeren
God bless you guys for supporting this car. I am pretty much an anti-Subaru type of guy (more BMW and Honda). But I will likely buy one because Subaru/Toyota knocked the current gen out of the park. What a fantastic package for 30 grand. Sure you have Turbo 4 cylinder Mustangs and Camaros for similar money. But they are just huge, heavy cars. Some of us still long for lightweight, quick, good handling cars in a smaller package. Thank you Toyota. Thank you Subaru.
I love this car. I bought it on March 3rd and since then have did a ton of modifications to it like wheels, spoiler, supercharger and stage 3 weight reduction etc. It has a PP of 706 and I take it to the track everyday.
How do you have a supercharger on it if the ECU hasn’t been cracked and tuned? Sorry if I think you’re full of shit. Unless you got a 1st gen, not the same car bruh.
@@mikeyKnows_ it’s a half assed joke. There’s people that have done more than that minus the power gain. js, half assed sarcasm. And yes, someone has done weight reduction even.
This is a series that I am seriously grateful for, I'm gonna watch every episode. I'm graduating college soon and want to get the 86, but my biggest worries has been about how the Wisconsin roads might inhibit the car, and whether or not I'm getting good bang for my buck in that regard. Thanks for this guys!
I drive a 2020 in New Jersey, and it held up pretty damn well. Obviously you guys are gonna deal with way more snow, but more power certainly isn't going to hurt in bad weather either. It's a damn solid daily if you can deal with the cargo and noise limitations.
I live in Michigan and have been worried about the winters here too, especially with all of the potholes. Another UA-camr called "The Topher" used to daily a first gen BRZ here in Michigan and just bought a 2022 model. He talks about his winter driving experiences in a couple different videos and says it handles great with good snow tires.
@@r.j.bedore9884 yeah I love topher, and him not only faulting one back then but reupping again really does make me hopeful that it’s something I can do. I don’t know, hopefully one day they’ll have enough inventory that I can test drive and make a much more informed decision.
my buddy i see at the track a lot sold his 2JZ S14 and replaced it with a brand new GR86. it's beautiful! EVERYTHING is blacked out on this little nugget, the badges, headlight housings, wheels, interior... i can see myself getting one someday if the manual supra never comes out
Damn all these brz/86 videos of UA-camrs has made me really interested in considering getting one. They are pretty quick for what they are and gas isn't bad to daily drive it.
I made about a hundred phone calls and finally found one for sale in a neighboring state. I bought it and picked it up yesterday. I already freaking love this car and as long as nothing major goes wrong, I'll probably keep it forever. For the price of the car, I don't really feel a rush to sell it before it depreciates it. I'm going to go all out on protecting it, inside and out
Are they that hard to come by? Well i guess it shouldnt concern me since the earliest ill be able to afford one is in about a year. Hopefully the hype will die down
@@oleyeller3256 yeah they're insanely hard to find right now. It's a little easier to find an automatic but the manuals are gone in a matter of hours usually. The only exception to that are the ones that are marked up crazy amounts. I've seen listings in places like Florida and California for $40-40k which is just stupid for a $29-32k car. I did pass up on a couple because of price but even those sell pretty fast usually. I was pestering dealers all over the country lol
I look forward to seeing the content with the GR. I ordered my 22 BRZ in November and picked it up mid February. I love it. I have already put a catback exhaust on it and plan to do a header and tune once available. The center column buzz is from the stupid fake sound. My car did it too until I unplugged it.
I got my BRZ early December and got an Invidia N2, an MTec clutch spring, scuff protectors, light up door sill and a wireless CarPlay adapter. I’m waiting on my black duckbill which albeit not colormatched should look good on my sapphire blue. I plan to get my roof wrapped black too. A steering wheel wrap and shift knob when I figure out what color I’m going with because the outside is blue but the stitching is red. (Damnit Subaru! Should’ve went with the GR which has grey stitching and less chrome). Coil-overs and headers will have to wait…least till a tune is out. P.S. Sapphire blue is nice but a b#%ch to keep clean or prestige.
Legitimately the only new car I have any interest in. Thanks for covering it so thoroughly. Only way Toyota could've made this a sweeter deal is if they put the hinge for the trunk above the rear glass so I could have my "new Integra" that Acura/ Honda refuse to make.
I absolutely love the new twins. Appreciate the car care tips. I'm about to put on a 5 year ceramic coat now that I've had some practice with the 1 year type.
best drivers car to come out since the S2000 (not counting the miata because anyone over 5'10" cant fit in them)... I am very excited about this car and the fact you guys bought one!
I love that color! For those that cant afford a Cayman, this is the next best thing, IMO. When you are done all the Mods, it will be interesting to see a track battle vs a Base Cayman or an S.
Porsche should something honorable for the enthusuaist mortals. Something like a manual only Cayman T spec lent out to the Cupra brand so it can be sold affordably without the badge tax.
So glad you are doing this! Can't wait for all the follow-ups. So glad, also, Toyota & Subaru are maintaining a sports car line for those who can and should own and enjoy sports cars: People who are young - or young at heart - who either cannot or will not pay $50k+ to get a driver's car.
I had a 2014 FRS and absolutely loved it, only complaint was the interior quality and how slow it was. Went to a MK7 GTI, and then last may I upgraded to a 2021 Veloster N. Really wishing I would've waited and bought the GR86, all these youtubers buying one is killing me 😭
If you're complaining that a Gen1 Hachi Roku is slow you're missing the point of the car. It wasn't made to compete with hot hatches, it's made to compete with the mx-5, Aka a front engine rear wheel drive go kart that you can push to its absolute limit (relatively) safely.
i bought my first new car from St Charles Toyota, my old neighbor was the sales manager when the FRS first came out, he let me have a go in one for a little bit
I love the idea of this car and the execution is interesting. I hope you'll share a thought or two about how it suits drivers who are over age 21. I am well and far into that demographic and I still miss the old 3-series that I drove in the early 90s.
I actually just put a deposit down on a new GR86 yesterday (in the same spec/color as you have here). I've been looking for a new car to replace my 2020 MX-5 Club, and I was originally planning on getting a Camaro 2SS 1LE as I've never had a V8 before and I wanted to try one before they disappear. However, I put in an order for one at my local dealer back in mid-November, and they still haven't gotten an allocation for one 4 months later, and when I spoke to the Sales Manager he had no idea if, or when, they would get one. Looked around at a couple of other Chevy dealerships but it was the same story, and there was nothing matching the specs I wanted within a 1000 mile radius. The GR86 was my second choice. Had a 2018 BRZ with the Premium Package and loved that car, so this new model caught my attention as soon as it was released. Checked around yesterday, but the few dealers that had stock were either one's that were reserved, or they weren't the spec I wanted (wrong transmission, wrong color, etc.). Finally found a dealer in New York state, about 2 1/2 hours away from me that, while they didn't have what I wanted in stock, seemed to sell enough of them that they get frequent allocations. Saleswoman I spoke with was very helpful and professional, and I ended up putting my name on their list and putting down a deposit. I've kept the Camaro order as well for the time being. I'd be happy with either car, and now it's just a matter of which company can get the car to me first, and I'll cancel the other order once that happens. Keeping my fingers crossed that it's not too much longer for either, as this is going to be a weekend fun car, and we're coming up on the good driving season here in northwest Pennsylvania.
Glad to see there are still no markup dealerships out there. I put the deposit down on my BRZ at Austin Subaru for exactly MSRP (as at the time they claimed to be a no markup dealership) four months ago. I got so nervous that they weren't going to honor the price since I've started seeing new cars with a "market adjustment" premium on a their site. Thankfully the rep I've been in contact with has been very good reassuring me that the price hasn't changed. I'm picking it up on the 18th!
They are definitely a total pile. I am 75yo and drive a 2015 FRS man trans, which I bought new and it now has over 71,000 miles. It is the best one of over 60 vehicles I've owned in my lifetime. It has gone round trip coast to coast 5 times, a great road trip vehicle. Absolutely nothing has gone wrong with it so far. (Clutch TOB issue may present itself at some future time). Made in Japan rules !
Hey dude just so you know "a total pile" is shorthand for " a total pile of shit". (Like it's not a good car). I think you interpreted that to mean that it's a complete package/ solid unit. Hope that helps!
I'm looking forward to following your testing, the mods you make, and your feelings about the car through all of that. As a 2022 BRZ buyer I'm interested in issues you run into, how much improvement the modifications make, and trade offs. Thanks again for all the two of you do.
YOOOO funny story. This past winter was my first winter with my 2017 GT 86 in illinois. I asked the forums and my FB group about it and would hit up the car wash every weekend after it snowed and would almost LITERALLY get under the car and spray it. Glad to know that I was doing the right thing. Also, i've recently seen a GR86 in the same color...I wonder.... Love the videos my Illinois brethern.
Nice move buying a new 86! I wonder what the result would be if you keep the stock springs but replace the cheap dampers for some better ones, such as ohlins or Bilstien?
Everyday drivers has done the same! Buy an 86! This is an indication that this car is for drivers. Or a fight from east against west, youtube car channels!!😆 Both channels does a great job in their own way. I listen to both and I'm leaning toward you guys!
Awesome content as always. I sold a ND2 Miata and bought the 22 BRZ. Great car, but imo not as fun as the Miata. So back to a Miata I go! Looking forward to see what you do with the GR86 though.
It’s a joke, the savagegeese boys are always making tongue in cheek statements. But it’s also pretty obvious that people do give some consideration to the image a car gives them. It’s like someone who brags about not caring what clothes they wear. They do care- it’s just showed in a different way
@@ryanj116 I have a good feeling that wasn't a joke Chris. I have a very good feeling that people would actually ask that question. Kind of like how you would ask the same question if you look cool in your classic V8 ego car. There are people that ask those questions. For example years ago somebody at my job got a brand new G37 and I said that's a girl's car as a joke. But he took it seriously and he told me that he looked on Google and they said that it wasn't a girl's car and Men are fine to drive it as well and he also told me that's why you got it and read so he can block out the windows and rims so it looks more like a guy's car.... so he took my joke seriously that's to prove me right about something else that I was saying before. It's a joke that most guys need a vehicle to feel more masculine because of their low testosterone
I've been reading long term tests in C&D since the early 80's, and I have to say: what you're proposing may be the best long term documented test ever done. Can't wait.
Literally everyone is buying these as long term reviews. Why not buy something that everyone will be buying (i dunno, a corolla). The 86 is about as easy to analyze as any perfect sports car. Its purpose built for fun, the end. Heck, it gets 22 miles per gallon which is worse than a 3.0 supra or m440i. So you spend 35k on a car and then 5k on PPF and extra's. "affordable". The actual cost of owernship is going to be as much as any other expensive sports car. Bet.
Why would a channel targeting an car enthusiasts get a Corolla? Go to read/watch Edmunds if you want that. 86 and Miata are cars that don't cost as much as other sports cars. Nowhere close. Tires and brakes last way longer and aren't anywhere close as expensive to replace as something on a Corvette or even a Camaro.
Then buy the base car and just get the factory ppf which is like 600 bucks. For the price its a great capable car if you want to track it, comes in a manual, ect.... Why are you surprised everyone is buying one? Ownership costs we shall see, will definitely be cheaper to own compared to the supra and m440 you mentioned, also better looking and again with a manual.
Your first two sentences are completely contradictory - "everyone is buying these", "why not buy something that everyone will be buying" - you sort of answer your own question in a backwards way. Also, perhaps they're buying GR86s because that's what they want to own and spend their money on?
I secured a spot for a manual gr86 premium build. Put money down but now I just wait for one to be allocated to me. I can’t wait to get my hands on this car. I’m sure this will be a classic down the road as well. Man I can’t wait!!
I’m from Australia and I love your videos, very informative and enjoy to watch. I’m glad you are doing this video for someone looking at this car. Looking forward to seeing a video of tuning and how much power is possible.
This is a great, realistic and honest approach to the gr86. Really curious to see how it turns out, I grew up loving high revving Japanese cars. First car was a 95 prelude, put a H22A in it and loved it. Had a blacktop AW11, 2zz MR2 Spyder, G35 and V6 Accord Coupe along the way too. Then I finally pulled the trigger on a ls1 6 speed f body and have been enjoying that since. I'm torn between getting a new LT1 Camaro and the GR86. They are a lot closer in price than I think anyone wants to admit. They are opposites but I really do enjoy both lightweight revs and torque. The 6th gen Camaro platform is amazingly stiff and competent in my driving experience and I really loved the previous gen 86 besides the horrid motor. I will be closely watching the series, thanks for keeping it real like no other UA-camr does!
I lived in Illinois for 42 of my 48 years and I don't miss it at all. I live in Lower Lake, CA now and it doesn't rain here for 9 months straight. I love not having to worry about salt on the roads. I am buying a GR86 as soon as possible. I want either a blue one like yours or the Special Edition with the Sun Shift Orange. :)
So I bought my 2022 BRZ base manual for 29,500 Canadian from a dealership in Barrie Ontario. (I ordered it on Christmas week so they actually even applied a 500$ discount). All in all I paid an equivalent of about 23,000 USD msrp before tax. From what I've heard so far, this is just about the best deal ever. Originally I ordered an 86 from a nearby Toyota dealership. Toyota wanted 31500 for the base and would not even offer an estimate on delivery. To my knowledge they have yet to receive a single allotment, whereas I got my BRZ late January. The main reason I'm sharing this info is because I'm blown away by how these vehicles are priced region to region and in comparison to eachother.
This series has me very hyped, I've had the BRZ on my list for next car and this will answer a lot of my questions. I live not too far from where Jack is so I'm no stranger to Midwest winters.
I'm seeing a lot of UA-camrs buy this car, and I'm really happy about that.
Yep, Everyday Driver just released their first video. Same colour, I think.
Yes, I was just wondering Why the Heck is everyone buying the same car. Buy the new Z or the new upcoming Type R. This seems like some undercover Toyota marketing stunt.
It's certainly a much-better value than the 4-cylinder Supra.
@@fr1571 these cars were extremely popular early on UA-cam and you see them at almost all track days. they are like owning a Porsche for half price. cheap to maintain and they handle like a dream. i owned 1 before and plan to buy the new one
@@fr1571 most of these UA-camrs have previously owned a brz and liked it enough to buy the new one. Not too complicated
I love how unpretentious, simple and genuine the tone of your videos is! It's so refreshing. Keep them coming in! :)
You nailed it. That's what I like about these videos also. He and Mark don't assault our senses and insult our intelligence with terrible music and strobe light cut scenes. This is my favorite car review channel.
Awesome! I got my BRZ back in November. No problems and I love it. It's my daily. The thing I like about it the most--it feels like I'm driving a CAR and feeling it under me, not making suggestions to a computer on 4 wheels. Anyone who thinks they'll like it definitely will.
Still enjoying it? Any issues?
I found your channel when they did the press release for this car back in June and I am so happy you got one for long term. You're such a good host and your channel is just downright pleasant. Thanks for the great content!
Got one recently. Its the first car I've ever bought that I actually wanted to own. Amazingly well balanced car!
How much did you get it including the mark up? And how long? I wanna buy too it’s really a good looking car.
Thinking about selling my 2021 Volvo XC60 and replacing with the BRZ or 86. I want to get back to driving enjoyment and this seems like the perfect car. So excited about this series from you guys!!
Brz. It’s more comfortable, apparently.
Dude if you can make that switch make sense than do it!
But the GR86 is faster
@@jansonb482 In what ways, and why? Same engine, same transmissions and gearing (?). Weight should be within a few pounds, and drag too. Or do you mean faster around a track? (Vs straight acceleration times )
@@scottanthony3426 I've read some articles (can give you the sources if you want) and the laptimes were quicker by roughly half to a full second on a race track. They say that at low speed both suspension settings work differently and that the 86 turns in quite a bit faster wheres in the BRZ you have quite a lot more understeer.
Its all in suspension settings, 86 is faster but the BRZ is more comfortable to drive on public
I really look forward to this series. I keep looking at weekend cars and want the power of say a supra or a Nissan Z... but I keep coming back to the fun, simplicity and price of an 86...
If it were between 86 and the Z, I'd personally go for the Z. But man this new 86 definitely makes it a tough choice
I've got a 330whp Z and while it's a lot of fun I can't deny the new 86 is very attractive
Don’t forget the ND2 Miata…
Chassis vs motor
The Z is so desirable but it feels so out of reach where as the 86 feels more practical for the price point alone
so glad people are going with that Neptune Blue color. It looks really good!
ive been watching chicago auto pros for years and have learned so much from them and their free education. glad to see you two collaborate.
I put my order in last week for essentially the same car. So this series couldn't have come at a better time! I appreciate todays video in particular, as it answers my questions about paint protection and what I need to be ready for on day one. Your guys' in depth video is the reason I went with this car in the end, so thank you
Most anticipated series on this channel for me. Can't wait for the videos to come. Stoked you got involved with CSG for this also.
The fact that I learned that there are no-markup dealerships made this video worth watching. Thanks!
This gen 2 is phenomenal. I've been contemplating about getting one myself.
Its phenomenal but its gets worse gas mileage than a pickup.
@@singular9 who cares. Go buy a Prius.
@@ToroMoto exactly
@@singular9 21 MPG around the city and 31 in the highway is not too bad. I mean it is a sports car, you can't buy one and expect to save gas like a Prius. . lol
My point is everything with cars is "give and take". They actually listened to all the criticism from the first gen and made real improvements. I'm happy the direction the car went, and now looking to get a second gen myself. If I want fuel economy and low cost if ownership, I'll pickup a 15 year old Corola or Civic.
1:23 I saw that Eurobeat. I too, have been Running in the 90's
Love this color! It seems like everyone is picking up the GR86. Everyday Driver just recently picked one up as well. Congrats looks so fun
Thank god savagegeese picked up one too so we don’t have to watch those clowns.
@@PH-fz9cj if you don’t like them, don’t watch them. They’re 2 great guys giving us another option
@@PH-fz9cj I love both channels but this ones been slipping lately. Production values are going down and apparently they've hired a rodeo clown to pick out the music.
Yawn bring back the s2000
Paul and todd are great people. They were actually at the same wave of the launch event as us.
I love when Chicago Auto Pros jumps in.
I think mixing up your format a but at times like this is a good break for us with your formula.
nothing wrong with it!! but it's a nice change for a bit. Almost showcases your versatility if anything
This is the exact trim, color, and treatment I am looking at. I'm excited for this series!
Get these gents to a million subs please. Best auto reviewers on UA-cam. Coming from IL I may be bias, but seriously, very refined work
Nice Jack.... looking forward to seeing this vehicle long-term.
I literally just bought mine yesterday. This series will be very helpful to watch over the next 6 months while I wait for mine to get in lol
Super stoked to see you guys and Everyday Driver get some real ownership experiences out of these cars. They're on a short list for me to replace my C7.
Here I was, thinking im crazy for considering this car to replace my M7 C7 as well. That or a supra.
@@Doing_The_Thing These cars and Miatas can actually be enjoyed at street legal speeds
Love that this is the car that started this channel (FR-S), and here we are, half a million subs later.
Roberto (my wife’s boyfriend) drive one of those, he says “ no drift button on this baby, this is for men that can handle power “
I’m so glad my wife have a great taste
a lot of youtubers been buying this car, wonderful purchase!
Hi Gentlemen from Germany! Great channel: very interesting topics, professionally filmed, commentated and cut! I used to have a S2000, have a supercharged Miata ND and look into adding a GR86 for the cold season. So this longterm test and tuning project is exactly what I needed! Thanks a lot and keep up the great work! Yours, Soeren
God bless you guys for supporting this car. I am pretty much an anti-Subaru type of guy (more BMW and Honda). But I will likely buy one because Subaru/Toyota knocked the current gen out of the park. What a fantastic package for 30 grand.
Sure you have Turbo 4 cylinder Mustangs and Camaros for similar money. But they are just huge, heavy cars. Some of us still long for lightweight, quick, good handling cars in a smaller package.
Thank you Toyota. Thank you Subaru.
Already in love with this series. This is gonna be the new fine print!
I love this guy. He's so straight to the point, no BS and I really enjoy his overall passion for cars.
I love this car. I bought it on March 3rd and since then have did a ton of modifications to it like wheels, spoiler, supercharger and stage 3 weight reduction etc. It has a PP of 706 and I take it to the track everyday.
How do you have a supercharger on it if the ECU hasn’t been cracked and tuned? Sorry if I think you’re full of shit. Unless you got a 1st gen, not the same car bruh.
@@Rob165x based on all he said, he's strictly speaking about video games.
Why would anyone who can afford daily track time be driving this - no matter how modified. Sorry, don't buy it.
It flew over y'all's heads, he was joking sheesh
@@mikeyKnows_ it’s a half assed joke. There’s people that have done more than that minus the power gain. js, half assed sarcasm. And yes, someone has done weight reduction even.
Omg the soft jazz at the 4:00 mark took all my tension and stress away.. cool car too.
You guys have really smashed it with this, can't wait to see more :)
Everyday driver, topher and now gorilla Jack getting one. Enthusiast love machine
This is a series that I am seriously grateful for, I'm gonna watch every episode. I'm graduating college soon and want to get the 86, but my biggest worries has been about how the Wisconsin roads might inhibit the car, and whether or not I'm getting good bang for my buck in that regard. Thanks for this guys!
I drive a 2020 in New Jersey, and it held up pretty damn well. Obviously you guys are gonna deal with way more snow, but more power certainly isn't going to hurt in bad weather either. It's a damn solid daily if you can deal with the cargo and noise limitations.
@@AntiGrizz I drive a v6 accord coupe right now so I can definitely deal with less cargo! Thanks glad to hear your experience!
@@Gamertrip4life I drive a civic coupe in WI and I wouldn't want to get a nice car like 86 and daily it here.
I live in Michigan and have been worried about the winters here too, especially with all of the potholes. Another UA-camr called "The Topher" used to daily a first gen BRZ here in Michigan and just bought a 2022 model. He talks about his winter driving experiences in a couple different videos and says it handles great with good snow tires.
@@r.j.bedore9884 yeah I love topher, and him not only faulting one back then but reupping again really does make me hopeful that it’s something I can do. I don’t know, hopefully one day they’ll have enough inventory that I can test drive and make a much more informed decision.
my buddy i see at the track a lot sold his 2JZ S14 and replaced it with a brand new GR86. it's beautiful! EVERYTHING is blacked out on this little nugget, the badges, headlight housings, wheels, interior... i can see myself getting one someday if the manual supra never comes out
Do you have that blacked out cars insta? Or a video of it on another channel?
Damn all these brz/86 videos of UA-camrs has made me really interested in considering getting one. They are pretty quick for what they are and gas isn't bad to daily drive it.
I made about a hundred phone calls and finally found one for sale in a neighboring state. I bought it and picked it up yesterday. I already freaking love this car and as long as nothing major goes wrong, I'll probably keep it forever. For the price of the car, I don't really feel a rush to sell it before it depreciates it. I'm going to go all out on protecting it, inside and out
Are they that hard to come by? Well i guess it shouldnt concern me since the earliest ill be able to afford one is in about a year. Hopefully the hype will die down
@@oleyeller3256 yeah they're insanely hard to find right now. It's a little easier to find an automatic but the manuals are gone in a matter of hours usually. The only exception to that are the ones that are marked up crazy amounts. I've seen listings in places like Florida and California for $40-40k which is just stupid for a $29-32k car. I did pass up on a couple because of price but even those sell pretty fast usually. I was pestering dealers all over the country lol
@@mikecurry6847 man im happy for you brother! You put the work in and it paid off! Hopefully ill join the fleet by next year. What color??
@@oleyeller3256 trueno blue. It's not the color I wanted but it's definitely growing on me
@@mikecurry6847 man it actually looks nice bro. I looked it up
epic series, so much value and entertainment! Thanks guys
Love bringing in Chicago auto pros. Good to educate people about how to keep your car in great condition!!
Toyota dealer here said you can’t order. You just get in line for an allocation and hope it has what you want for options.
Might be ok since there’s hardly any options to choose from.
You can’t, Toyota goes by allocations, you pretty much tell them what you want and they try to find the closest spec for you.
Damn are these that high in demand? I hope it wont be a issue in a year
Congratulations on new car. As an owner of 22 brz looking forward to this series of videos
I look forward to seeing the content with the GR. I ordered my 22 BRZ in November and picked it up mid February. I love it. I have already put a catback exhaust on it and plan to do a header and tune once available. The center column buzz is from the stupid fake sound. My car did it too until I unplugged it.
I got my BRZ early December and got an Invidia N2, an MTec clutch spring, scuff protectors, light up door sill and a wireless CarPlay adapter. I’m waiting on my black duckbill which albeit not colormatched should look good on my sapphire blue. I plan to get my roof wrapped black too. A steering wheel wrap and shift knob when I figure out what color I’m going with because the outside is blue but the stitching is red. (Damnit Subaru! Should’ve went with the GR which has grey stitching and less chrome). Coil-overs and headers will have to wait…least till a tune is out.
P.S. Sapphire blue is nice but a b#%ch to keep clean or prestige.
Congrats on the new car. Excited for the series!
Legitimately the only new car I have any interest in. Thanks for covering it so thoroughly. Only way Toyota could've made this a sweeter deal is if they put the hinge for the trunk above the rear glass so I could have my "new Integra" that Acura/ Honda refuse to make.
Ha ha! Just heard recently many car review journalists bought either BRZ or 86! You guys boosted the car business a lot! And this is good!👏👏👏👏
I absolutely love the new twins. Appreciate the car care tips. I'm about to put on a 5 year ceramic coat now that I've had some practice with the 1 year type.
best drivers car to come out since the S2000 (not counting the miata because anyone over 5'10" cant fit in them)... I am very excited about this car and the fact you guys bought one!
I love that color! For those that cant afford a Cayman, this is the next best thing, IMO.
When you are done all the Mods, it will be interesting to see a track battle vs a Base Cayman or an S.
Porsche should something honorable for the enthusuaist mortals. Something like a manual only Cayman T spec lent out to the Cupra brand so it can be sold affordably without the badge tax.
So glad you are doing this! Can't wait for all the follow-ups.
So glad, also, Toyota & Subaru are maintaining a sports car line for those who can and should own and enjoy sports cars: People who are young - or young at heart - who either cannot or will not pay $50k+ to get a driver's car.
I had a 2014 FRS and absolutely loved it, only complaint was the interior quality and how slow it was. Went to a MK7 GTI, and then last may I upgraded to a 2021 Veloster N. Really wishing I would've waited and bought the GR86, all these youtubers buying one is killing me 😭
You still can old chap
I have a Veloster N. I'm not sad about how that car performs. It's very quick.
@@alexduey7868 I'll get a GR86 in a few years, once depreciation hits them. Trying to pay off the N before I get anything else lol
Veloster N looks like a great performer. Really considering that and the GR 86
If you're complaining that a Gen1 Hachi Roku is slow you're missing the point of the car.
It wasn't made to compete with hot hatches, it's made to compete with the mx-5, Aka a front engine rear wheel drive go kart that you can push to its absolute limit (relatively) safely.
i bought my first new car from St Charles Toyota, my old neighbor was the sales manager when the FRS first came out, he let me have a go in one for a little bit
This ‘long term enthusiast ownership’ is a great format! Sorry you had to buy a whole car to do it. 😄
Ordered my BRZ (base, 6 speed) on December 4th and just picked it up on March 5th. Car is rad.
I love the idea of this car and the execution is interesting. I hope you'll share a thought or two about how it suits drivers who are over age 21. I am well and far into that demographic and I still miss the old 3-series that I drove in the early 90s.
Same - looks like a good candidate for my mid-life crisis car.
I actually just put a deposit down on a new GR86 yesterday (in the same spec/color as you have here). I've been looking for a new car to replace my 2020 MX-5 Club, and I was originally planning on getting a Camaro 2SS 1LE as I've never had a V8 before and I wanted to try one before they disappear. However, I put in an order for one at my local dealer back in mid-November, and they still haven't gotten an allocation for one 4 months later, and when I spoke to the Sales Manager he had no idea if, or when, they would get one. Looked around at a couple of other Chevy dealerships but it was the same story, and there was nothing matching the specs I wanted within a 1000 mile radius.
The GR86 was my second choice. Had a 2018 BRZ with the Premium Package and loved that car, so this new model caught my attention as soon as it was released. Checked around yesterday, but the few dealers that had stock were either one's that were reserved, or they weren't the spec I wanted (wrong transmission, wrong color, etc.). Finally found a dealer in New York state, about 2 1/2 hours away from me that, while they didn't have what I wanted in stock, seemed to sell enough of them that they get frequent allocations. Saleswoman I spoke with was very helpful and professional, and I ended up putting my name on their list and putting down a deposit.
I've kept the Camaro order as well for the time being. I'd be happy with either car, and now it's just a matter of which company can get the car to me first, and I'll cancel the other order once that happens. Keeping my fingers crossed that it's not too much longer for either, as this is going to be a weekend fun car, and we're coming up on the good driving season here in northwest Pennsylvania.
Damn. How many UA-camrs are gonna buy a GR86 this year 😂😂
Usually what they do for views then they go off and buy whatever’s new down the road.
Finally found a comment that was real. All the other kids in here are having internet ganbangs with each other over this “kids toy” 86 🤣
Glad to see there are still no markup dealerships out there. I put the deposit down on my BRZ at Austin Subaru for exactly MSRP (as at the time they claimed to be a no markup dealership) four months ago. I got so nervous that they weren't going to honor the price since I've started seeing new cars with a "market adjustment" premium on a their site. Thankfully the rep I've been in contact with has been very good reassuring me that the price hasn't changed. I'm picking it up on the 18th!
They are definitely a total pile. I am 75yo and drive a 2015 FRS man trans, which I bought new and it now has over 71,000 miles. It is the best one of over 60 vehicles I've owned in my lifetime. It has gone round trip coast to coast 5 times, a great road trip vehicle. Absolutely nothing has gone wrong with it so far. (Clutch TOB issue may present itself at some future time).
Made in Japan rules !
Hey dude just so you know "a total pile" is shorthand for " a total pile of shit". (Like it's not a good car).
I think you interpreted that to mean that it's a complete package/ solid unit.
Hope that helps!
@@HubbaBubbaDummiThicc i have a somewhat dry sense of humor.
Lol i was a bit confused reading this
@@oleyeller3256 me using HIS words yes.
This channel deserves so much more credit!
Hey awesome! Long term ACTUAL OWNERSHIP coupled with SG intricacy.
Watched this on Patreon but dropping by here to leave a Comment & LIke for the algorithm
I'm looking forward to following your testing, the mods you make, and your feelings about the car through all of that. As a 2022 BRZ buyer I'm interested in issues you run into, how much improvement the modifications make, and trade offs. Thanks again for all the two of you do.
Excited about this and I hope it helps the channel grow, because you guys have earned it more than anyone out there! Love you guys!
very excited for this series--considering getting one myself as a first new car first MT
YOOOO funny story. This past winter was my first winter with my 2017 GT 86 in illinois. I asked the forums and my FB group about it and would hit up the car wash every weekend after it snowed and would almost LITERALLY get under the car and spray it. Glad to know that I was doing the right thing.
Also, i've recently seen a GR86 in the same color...I wonder....
Love the videos my Illinois brethern.
Nice move buying a new 86! I wonder what the result would be if you keep the stock springs but replace the cheap dampers for some better ones, such as ohlins or Bilstien?
Everyday drivers has done the same! Buy an 86! This is an indication that this car is for drivers. Or a fight from east against west, youtube car channels!!😆 Both channels does a great job in their own way. I listen to both and I'm leaning toward you guys!
Awesome content as always. I sold a ND2 Miata and bought the 22 BRZ. Great car, but imo not as fun as the Miata. So back to a Miata I go! Looking forward to see what you do with the GR86 though.
Out of curiousity - what do you prefer more w/ the Miata?
Interesting, have an ND1 and I'm looking at the new 86 🤔
I love that you guys work with local businesses for things in your videos and in your personal cars.
"Will I look cool in it"..... and people told me that they DON'T buy a car for a personal image.
It’s a joke, the savagegeese boys are always making tongue in cheek statements. But it’s also pretty obvious that people do give some consideration to the image a car gives them. It’s like someone who brags about not caring what clothes they wear. They do care- it’s just showed in a different way
@@ryanj116 I have a good feeling that wasn't a joke Chris.
I have a very good feeling that people would actually ask that question. Kind of like how you would ask the same question if you look cool in your classic V8 ego car.
There are people that ask those questions. For example years ago somebody at my job got a brand new G37 and I said that's a girl's car as a joke. But he took it seriously and he told me that he looked on Google and they said that it wasn't a girl's car and Men are fine to drive it as well and he also told me that's why you got it and read so he can block out the windows and rims so it looks more like a guy's car.... so he took my joke seriously that's to prove me right about something else that I was saying before.
It's a joke that most guys need a vehicle to feel more masculine because of their low testosterone
I've been reading long term tests in C&D since the early 80's, and I have to say: what you're proposing may be the best long term documented test ever done. Can't wait.
Plans: LS swap
@L W i don't think this car is in Forza.
THIS IS THE BEST CHANNEL ON UA-cam
How about buying a long term Russian mail order bride? How does that hold up against a Ukrainian mail order bride?
The Ukrainian bride should be less violent and controlling
I LOVE the plans you detailed for this - cannot wait for it all to start.
Literally everyone is buying these as long term reviews.
Why not buy something that everyone will be buying (i dunno, a corolla).
The 86 is about as easy to analyze as any perfect sports car. Its purpose built for fun, the end.
Heck, it gets 22 miles per gallon which is worse than a 3.0 supra or m440i.
So you spend 35k on a car and then 5k on PPF and extra's. "affordable".
The actual cost of owernship is going to be as much as any other expensive sports car. Bet.
Why would a channel targeting an car enthusiasts get a Corolla? Go to read/watch Edmunds if you want that.
86 and Miata are cars that don't cost as much as other sports cars. Nowhere close. Tires and brakes last way longer and aren't anywhere close as expensive to replace as something on a Corvette or even a Camaro.
Then buy the base car and just get the factory ppf which is like 600 bucks. For the price its a great capable car if you want to track it, comes in a manual, ect.... Why are you surprised everyone is buying one? Ownership costs we shall see, will definitely be cheaper to own compared to the supra and m440 you mentioned, also better looking and again with a manual.
Your first two sentences are completely contradictory - "everyone is buying these", "why not buy something that everyone will be buying" - you sort of answer your own question in a backwards way. Also, perhaps they're buying GR86s because that's what they want to own and spend their money on?
@@kamilb8232 it reviews all kinds of cars. This isn't a super car channel that reviews cars people can't buy
@@oficina_moomoo ever seen Toyotas factory ppf lmfao
Looking forward to this series. Shoutout to Counterspace Garage. They're they best!
Ayy been a subscriber since Mark was making the very first 86 videos. It all comes full circle.
1 of the best new driver's cars out there!
I plan to get a manual GR86 in red within the next few years. Such a good car for the money.
I secured a spot for a manual gr86 premium build. Put money down but now I just wait for one to be allocated to me. I can’t wait to get my hands on this car. I’m sure this will be a classic down the road as well. Man I can’t wait!!
I’m from Australia and I love your videos, very informative and enjoy to watch. I’m glad you are doing this video for someone looking at this car.
Looking forward to seeing a video of tuning and how much power is possible.
This series will be interesting! I will be tuning in!
I bought one. Everyday driver. And now savage geese!!! Everyone wants one!!!
This is a great, realistic and honest approach to the gr86. Really curious to see how it turns out, I grew up loving high revving Japanese cars. First car was a 95 prelude, put a H22A in it and loved it. Had a blacktop AW11, 2zz MR2 Spyder, G35 and V6 Accord Coupe along the way too. Then I finally pulled the trigger on a ls1 6 speed f body and have been enjoying that since. I'm torn between getting a new LT1 Camaro and the GR86. They are a lot closer in price than I think anyone wants to admit. They are opposites but I really do enjoy both lightweight revs and torque. The 6th gen Camaro platform is amazingly stiff and competent in my driving experience and I really loved the previous gen 86 besides the horrid motor.
I will be closely watching the series, thanks for keeping it real like no other UA-camr does!
I'm happy your channel giving the platform another try. The first one gave savage alot problems so hope you have better experience with the new one
Beyond excited for this series. You guys are addressing all the questions and concerns I have regarding this car.
I drove two Massachusetts winters with my old FRS. All you need are good snow tires and that car has enough grip to get you through the winter.
I lived in Illinois for 42 of my 48 years and I don't miss it at all. I live in Lower Lake, CA now and it doesn't rain here for 9 months straight. I love not having to worry about salt on the roads. I am buying a GR86 as soon as possible. I want either a blue one like yours or the Special Edition with the Sun Shift Orange. :)
Grew up near St. Charles and worked at the Charlestown Mall where some filming was done. Good people and great area.
So I bought my 2022 BRZ base manual for 29,500 Canadian from a dealership in Barrie Ontario. (I ordered it on Christmas week so they actually even applied a 500$ discount). All in all I paid an equivalent of about 23,000 USD msrp before tax. From what I've heard so far, this is just about the best deal ever.
Originally I ordered an 86 from a nearby Toyota dealership. Toyota wanted 31500 for the base and would not even offer an estimate on delivery. To my knowledge they have yet to receive a single allotment, whereas I got my BRZ late January.
The main reason I'm sharing this info is because I'm blown away by how these vehicles are priced region to region and in comparison to eachother.
I just want one. It looks great. The black mirrors are such a nice touch.
Can't wait to get into the thick of this series. Thanks for putting this together
This series has me very hyped, I've had the BRZ on my list for next car and this will answer a lot of my questions. I live not too far from where Jack is so I'm no stranger to Midwest winters.
Comprehensive washing talk. Thankyou. Really appreciate.
Your upcoming videos sound awesome. Can't wait for the the rest of the content!
This was interesting, Jack.
Love the blue, btw. Enjoy your new car in good health!
I'm so glad you're doing this series!!
3rd winter in Western Massachusetts in a 2019 BRZ daily - just apply winter tires and have fun! No rust, no traction control, no problem...
great series, looking forward to more technical content on this car.
That was good, looking forward to the future videos of this series!