1968 Pontiac GTO RAII vs 1970 Oldsmobile F85 W31 | Stock Drag Race
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- 1970 Oldsmobile F85 W31 drag racing 1968 Pontiac GTO Ram Air II. Pure Stock Muscle Car Drag Race. Factory Stock Drag Race.
First car is a 1968 Pontiac GTO. The other a 1970 Oldsmobile F-85. The GTO has a 400 Ram Air II V8, while the Olds has a W-31 350 V8. The GTO Ram Air 2 was rated 366 horsepower, and the 350 in the W-31 was rated 325 horsepower. The W31 came with a specially built TH350 3-speed automatic transmission. The GTO also has a 3-speed automatic transmission, specifically, a TH400. Rear gearing in the W-31 is 3.91, and the GTO has a set of 4.33 rear gears. Weight of the GTO with driver is 3690 pounds, while the Olds is weighing-in at a slightly heavier 3718 pounds. There were only 116 W-31 cars produced in 1970 with the sport coupe body. On the other hand, there were 246 total Ram Air II GTOs produced in 1968. Hi Performance Magazine tested a prototype Ram Air II GTO in July of 1968 and it ran the quarter mile in 12.77 seconds @ 111.23 mph. Hot Rod tested a 1970 W31 in April of 1970 and it ran 14.62 seconds @ 96.05 mph.
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For 1955 to 1979 musclecars built in United States and Canadian assembly plants with a minimum warranty of 12 months and 12,000 miles.
Any car running faster than 11.50 will be disqualified and will not have a qualifying time recorded.
Any convertible running faster than 13.50 will be disqualified and will not have a qualifying time recorded.
Casting numbers must be correct for the year and horsepower claimed including intake manifold, heads, and exhaust manifolds. Blocks do not have to be "numbers matching," but they must be the correct displacement. Overbores up to .070" are allowed. Stock cranks only.
All Engines - CR 1.5 extra points allowed over advertised.
The camshaft must be correct for the year, model, and horsepower claimed for the type of lifter (hydraulic or solid). Roller cams NOT allowed.
The valve train must be factory stock for the year, make, and horsepower claimed.
The ignition system must be stock, including the distributor, cap, coil, and wires. Points may be replaced with any electronic conversion that fits under the stock distributor cap.
The carburetor must be correct for the year, make, and horsepower claimed. Jetting and metering changes are permitted. THE CHOKE ASSEMBLY MUST BE IN PLACE AND FUNCTIONAL!
Cast-iron exhaust manifolds are mandatory and must be correct for the year, model, and horsepower claimed. Internal modifications to the exhaust manifolds are NOT allowed. Under no circumstances will headers be allowed, including those cars that came with headers delivered in the trunk. Pipes must be routed as they were originally for the year, make, model, and engine combination. Mufflers must be stock looking in design, that is, oval in shape. No glasspacks or straight pipes allowed unless installed as original equipment. Maximum muffler inlet and outlet size is 2.5 inches. X & H pipes allowed.
The radiator must be correct for the year, make, model, and horsepower claimed. No lightweight, aluminum radiators allowed.
The camshaft must be correct for the year, model, and horsepower claimed for the type of lifter (hydraulic or solid). Roller cams NOT allowed. Duration at .050" lobe lift must be within 1% of factory specs. Lift at the valve must be within 2% of factory specs. Maximum stall limited to 2200 rpm.
The transmission must be correct for year, make, model and engine of the car. 3-speed manuals may be upgraded to the correct 4-speed if originally available.
The rear axle must be of the same manufacturer as the car. Any gear ratio is allowed.
Reproduction tires or radial tires only.You are allowed to run tires one size over stock.
Factory wheels only.
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Wow, did someone check under the hood of that Oldsmobile? I think they slipped a 455 in there. There is a bit more than 325hp under there. He is running 2 seconds quicker than the manufacturer tested model.
Yeah, a lot of those vintage muscle cars benefit from a little "tweaking" these days . . .
Under the "rules", both cars were legal.....
Maybe, how would you know w/o a teardown. I dont see how that is possible. For the W31
@@geraldlafleur7776 The intake manifold of the Olds 455 is wider than that of the 350 due to the taller deck of the 455, so that would be easily discovered. On the other hand, the Olds 403 would have the same width intake/deck height - a teardown *would* be necessary to discover that.
Never underestimate the power of the Rocket 🚀 Olds..
W-31's had standard 350 Olds heads, but with the 455's bigger intake/ exhaust valves and longer duration cam lift. Very little vacuum tho, for power brakes.
That's why they were screamers and made such good power throughout the entire power band...
Mid 12's on both of these.
Excellent racing.
Thank you for putting these videos together for us!
Love watching these things from my era run.
Low 12s for the GTO on that one run, right?
@@bman99ss that goat might run 11's under the right conditions
Goodday C & Z
As the biggest Oldsmobile fan in Australia, & the W 31 being my favorite Oldsmobile it is only natural I will choose the W 31.
Do not underestimate the small block Oldsmobile.
325 Hp
Cheers
Louis 👍
Nice little Christmas suprise for me
Good gearing for the Olds. Great gearing for the Pontiac (who also has a slight weight (adds fart noise) advantage. I'm an Olds guy too. If drivers are remotely equal, I think the Pontiac takes this. But I will be rooting for the Olds.
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Doesn't matter David they are both great muscle cars.
Go the Oldsmobile
Cheers
Louis 👍
That Pontiac without a doubt was my favorite I like that plain-jane look with the hook caps@.....👍
Always loved the sleeper look.
me too. all business.
That little Olds 350 is impressive! Thumb up for bringing them to us.
Yep, those W31's can run when set-up correctly!!
I still liked that 442 W30 Olds
holy crap... a gto won on this channel ... must be Christmas
I think the Olds W31 and the Mopar 340 are my very favorite Giant Killer small block engines
Both great engines, I think Mopar had more/better factory race parts.. For me, its the 1971 Boss 351 cause even with all the SMOG.. it made 335hp w/380 lbft ..and 11:1 compression. 1971 Super Sport Mag. ET: 13.87 @ 104 mph
@@BobbyOfEarth 👍pretty sure mm&ff magazine ran a 71 boss 351 to a 13.1 @ around 106 mph
LOVE those W31 cars. They can run VERY quick times with the right "tune" and gears. Same with the MOPAR 340 A-Bodys. Super fast "big block" slayers when set up correctly!!
@@josephf593 My FAVORITE 'Boss" Mustang! Those solid lifter Boss 351's were killer! Had a chance to drive one. Let me tell ya, they pull like a freight train and LOVE to rev. And a "one year" option to boot!
Oh, man! You could really SET UP those 340’s. They are my fav small block. And, I’m mainly a Mopar guy, but I’ve had several Cutlasses with 350’s, and even a Skylark GS for a couple of years. My all time fav - small or big block, is a late 60’s Mopar 440 to play with and tune!
Peace!
My brother had a RAIII 69 GTO in the same color. Super quick car. He took that engine out after someone totaled his Goat and put it in a 67 firebird. That car was insane back then and I remember him racing a local guy with a 71 Challenger 440 six pack car that was one of the "cars to beat" back then. They raced 3 times with the Challenger beating him by a fender 2 out of three times, and my brother beating him once by a fender. Great times......
Pontiac and olds cars were freaks. My dad had a 72 grand prix with a 400 and it was very fast. He also had an 81 cutlass supreme with a 1970 olds 350 rocket and it too was a very quick car.
Wow both cars are super impressive , looks like the right lane was hooking , the goat could run 11s with a tiny bit of work 💪
It’s had the work to run 115 “pure stock” 😉
Wish the rain air 2 heads were the standard
Both 12 second cars, consistant runs, awesome driving. Dear Santa I'll take the GTO pleaseeeee
I love a ram rod/W31 car.
Two beautiful machines! Nice and clean cars. Always a pleasure to watch the drags here!👍🇺🇸
The w31 is hauling the mail, 110 mph in a 3700 lb car.. probably producing in neighborhood of 450hp! Both awesome machines, always had a soft spot for Oldsmobiles, going fast with class.
gotta love that w31
Great video C&Z!
Wishing you and yours all the best and looking forward to another fantastic year of great videos.
World's fastest 350.olds!
Fastest GTO made. Round port exhaust, 1st ra4 cam. 1 year motor. 200 made. Things a freak. Rivals Hemi Cuda and LS6.
Boy this last episode of C&Z's had everything-- I laughed I cried I never wanted it to end.
We missed you the first half of 2021
and it's great to have you back with all of the old school muscle-car mania and Mad Magazine grade humor.
Happy holidays and thank you for
keeping these fantastic machines
on the front-burner.
I can only hope that our kids in 50 years will not be watching Tesla Plaids tearing up the track on Cars and Zebra's 2.0.
Always appreciate the Oldsmobile vids. I own a 70 Cutlass holiday coupe myself. 455 tho
The 400 wasn't shabby either.
Those 455 equipped Cutlass's were basically a 442. Nice cars!!!
It basically has the 442 options aside from the rear end. Had a pretty miserable 12 bolt slipper with 2.56s. Also has a th350 although I do prefer that over the heavier 400.
Another awesome matchup, C&Z! Love those GTOs...had a '68 HO back in the day. How can you not love those W-31s?? Make no mistake, like the 340 Mopars, they were legit big block slayers. Would love to see a '70 W-30 on here...they could hang with just about anything back in the glory days.
Gary.. 70 W30..yellow black trim. Beautiful car. Hadn't been beat. Sold it. What was I thinking
My first car was a 68 GTO convertible that I've street raced 4 or 5 times, and never lost. That was in 74-75 while I was stationed in Brooklyn.
Goodday C & Z,
Thanks for a great video, I think you did it for me, being a W 31 nutter, and Australia's biggest Oldsmobile fan.
Wishing you a Safe & Merry Christmas.
Stay warm, stay safe & can I request a Mopar say a M Code 1969 Dodge Dart race before the New Year.
Hope to see you in Australia one day.
Your number 1 Fan in Australia
Louis Kats from Melbourne Australia ☺ 👍 ❤
My Pops ran these Pontiacs for almost 20 plus years,I've seen what there capable of,but those Olds are no joke either beating down alot of people back in the day.Gotta go with Pontiac,
Wish that would have been a 400 olds.
We had a guy here in the Hudson valley area of ny that ran a place called mid Hudson Pontiacs.
This was late 80s and we were just becoming driving age and a buddy worked for the guy.
Stuff right out of a fairy tale like sd455 trans ams and original GTOs and beater tempests with 455s swapped in.
My bud ended up getting a 67 GTO with a replica ram air4 400 from him, and the thing would make you shit little green apples,it really had no traction, what a hoot.
That guy was pushing late 50s, maybe close to 60.
Not sure if he's even around, he closed up shop like early 90s.
@@MrTheHillfolk You know. People that didn't live back then, don't realize why these cars aren't around today.
My memories as a child of these old 50's 60's and early 70's cars were mud caked rear quarter wells and the back of the front fender wells.
There were so many dirt roads around the USA back then that for a daily driver, you just couldn't fight the mud for months on end.
@@kramnull8962 I remember watching them die in the 70s and 80s. I would have stored all those engines and transmissions. They sure were big polluters though .ran forever but all rusted out in Toronto, Ontario.
@@davidfanara3229 Yeah here in NC you guys came down here in the 80's and brought up everything you all could find. But hey, at least they got used. Most of the things you all didn't buy got scrapped when NC cracked down on junkyards.
Love the 60s and early 70 machines 🙌👍
Those Oldsmobile w31 cars were no joke.
this was a heck of a race!!!
Both of those cars were hauling the mail, nice runs. I love the Olds “Ram Rod” - another giant killer from back then. Thank you for doing these, Merry Christmas. 🌮 🌮
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@@CarsAndZebras Thank you for another great race!!! I'm glad they ran 3 races. I'd like to see 3 out of 5 for the win.
You have fans who don't believe Pontiac made big block engines. 🤔 🤣 The 389ci w/ three 2 bbl carbs, 400, 421 w/three 2 bbl carbs, 428 and 455 were big blocks.
@@ricktaylor3748 ALL pontiac blocks are the same size externally. Did they make larger "cubic inch" V8's, absolutely they did. But the larger cubic inch Ponco's were never considered "big blocks". They were the only division of General Motors that didn't have a true big block. Buick, Olds and Chevrolet all had big block engines. Pontiac just used the same block. Hope this helps.....
@@ricktaylor3748 no Pontiac did not make a big block /small unless you count rhe short deck 301/265 , all Pontiacs used the same size block inly think was the 421,428, and 455 and larger main journals , 3.25 vs the 3.00 . You can make a high reving 455 our of a 400 by taking a 455 crank and cutting the mains down to 3in
GTO RAII for the Win > Those Round port Pontiacs are really Quick 🚀🏁🏆😎
Mid 12’s in the W-31 ! I had a ride in one just like it, back in 1970….neck snapping acceleration. Love both cars !
Impressive times on both cars. That olds would move for “just” a small block.
im surprised the GTO didnt get the boot for sandbagging after running that 12.15
You can tell the W31 was built to rules spec. No W31 could run like that under normal circumstances.
@@hoost3056 thats exactly right , a stock W31 was mid 14s on their best days
My brother had a 68 GTO 400ci Ram Air ll, Hurst Dule Gate shifter, 433r.e. It was Mayfair Maze (kinda pail yellow) with a black vinyl top, & Hide Away head lamps. It was a beautiful BEAUTIFUL vehicle!! With just a little tuning and a couple tricks, Marc's GTO was 410 H.P. It wasn't the fastest car ever, but it would jump out there on ya.
Merry Christmas Cars and Zebras.
Both of those cars are awful healthy.. they werent that fast lol (still awesome though :) )
C&Z the RA II is round port heads the radical cam and just a start of the ram air 4 (prototype...such a dirty word) and unicorn RA 5 the ultra ram air Pontiac mill on the other hand Dr olds went the pediatrician route on the 350 and created an ultimatum high school jock a bold brash little brother to the 455 w30 442 hell of a video keep it up guy
I sold a set of Ram Air 2 heads to a guy in Ohio that was restoring a 68 GTO. I think it was black too. That was about 4 or 5 years ago I think. I wonder if this is the guy? They are super rare because as soon as the Ram Air 4 heads came out they had bigger intake ports to compliment the round exhaust ports whereas the Ram Air 2's had more of a standard intake port so the Ram Air 4's were considered the hot ticket from then on. But the way the Ram Air 2 cars run I'm not so sure the 4 was that much better. The W31 is pretty impressive too.
The last set of RA2 heads I saw were listed on EBay for $10,000 about a year ago.
From what I've read somewhere, the ram air 2 will make around 430 hp when fully pure stock blue printed. This was some years ago, may have improved by now.
The olds surprised me a little.
Seen that 68 GTO at Norwalk Ohio drag strip Pontiac national last year nice GTO
Love a car with a lot of junk in the trunk (4.33)
When I was eight years old, my Dad bought a black MGB!
(Long story,He was trying to impress my mom, whom had recently left him, for a guy that owned a black Austin Healey)
We were sitting at a red light on smithtown bypass and a,1968 GTO, pulled up next to us! I will never forget how fast that guy was gone when that light turned green! Dad was so pissed off! Because five years earlier, he himself owned an, SS CHEVY IMPALA,409 /409HP four speed,(which Dad claimed was more like 425 HP) and he used to drag race from that very light! That following weekend, he was at the Chevy house looking at an L78 SS 396 Chevelle 4spd car! He was so funny!
That old goat really hurt his pride!
It was amazing the rate of acceleration that GTO had!
Two beautiful cars I'd be hard pressed to choose between them.
These people who cheat ruin factory stock drag racing. These cars never ran low 12's. In NHRA stock class which allows headers, slicks, stall converters, blueprinting and balancing, and other secret tweeks theae cars would run 12's.
I seen another 69 gto on ur channel an you say it weighed at 4200 something with driver..now this one is 500 pounds or more heavy??? Idk how this is possible?? But is great see both my favorite models of cars race
that w-31 had 466 gears
Nice cars, but neither of them ran anywhere near that well when new. 13.90-14.50 range would be more like it. Would love to know how each of these two cars are set up today.
A better head to head would be GTO vs 442. Same year for emissions nonsense. That said, nice video. PS I own a 39 442 vert
I love that OLDS a definite sleeper I wish I owned,Beautiful car love to go to store and get a gallon of milk with that fire breathing 350 under the hood .
Another great video. Much appreciated.
2 of my favorite branches from gm. Lord knows i miss them.
Start interviewing these guys/girls and ask them what tricks they have done. No way that Olds 350 runs like that stock.
I'm a Mopar man but Olds is what I'd go with for GM
Those 455 Buick GS's ain't no joke either. There was a race he recently posted where a Stage 1 GS beat a LS6 Chevelle easly.....
both cars.will never be certified pure stock.running 13:1 compression.
Quicker than a 05 mustang😅 salleen.s 281 supercharged
Oh damn this one’s going to be good
Anouncer says of Pont they all had RA4 heads. RA2 may be RA3 but RA4 were rare round port?
My first car GTO 68 400 4sp my auto teacher had 67 he always said it was 1sec faster out of factory
Hey zebra guy ! I swear I just heard your voice on a shampoo ad for balding guys was that you? Hahahaa
Constant mis-12's for the Olds. Excellent if it truly was stock.
Looks like a painted Leman’s bumper on the GTO.
I’m starting to think cars and zebras has a soft spot for poncho power , because he features a lot of Pontiacs .
Love these classic muscle cars 60/70 👏👏👏👏👏more more Thank you
Great cars! Not a great apples to apples race. Should have used a 350 LeManster.
Awesome , Thanks C&Z
Can we have a 72 to 74 cuda?
Miss my f85. Sold it over 30 years ago.😢
I had a 1970 F-85 W31. I couldn’t beat the big block GTO’s or 396’s. Mine had a 4spd. 3:90’s and no stripes from the factory. Bench seats, dog dish hubcaps, 138 W31’s on F-85 chassis. Mine was the only one that left the factory without stripes.
I was the owner of two 4-4-2s. A 66 and a 72. My 66 had a 1970 W-30 455. My favorite 2 wins was against a 66 group with the 389 tri- power and a 68 super bee. Though I never seen the motor in the super bee the owner says it was a 426 hemi. He would not show his motor to anyone. Over the years I raced him five times. Won 4.
Anyone know what kind of tuning is done to these cars?
Everything allowed in their class.. pretty much anything you cant see is ok lol
@@JoshKetchum compression? Cam specs as well?
GTO kicked @$$ on the second run
My favorite small block racer.68 Camaro 302. But with a 2 speed power glide.411rear.
Nice. Ill take the olds. Love that green.
a buddy of mine bought a new gto in 68, upon further inspection, it was a 400 2bbl single exhaust! true story.
I love GTOs but check out the time slips and MPH on the 350 Cubic Inch powered W 30.
Always a good video from C and Z!
Please bring back some of the goofy humor. PLEASE!!
Two quick puppies here. Both hard runners. I would have given the goat the edge because of the larger engine.
How tf can you red light in this class? Stage shallow and when the last yellow comes on, hit the juice. Silly.
0-60 times would be cool too, that Olds W31 has a lot of punch per cubic inch off the line.
Maybe I’m missing it, but are you calling out when the cars are F.A.S.T. cars and not factory stock? You should. Because these cars are way faster than stock.
read the video description box. Pretty easy to find answers there.
@@CarsAndZebras I see. If I watch on my phone, I don't read the all little words... Just wondering why you don't describe it in the video? Maybe swap out some of the corny jokes and fart sounds and use the time to describe the classes the cars are running in? Lol. Just a thought. I'm subscribed! Thanks!
Um,when it comes to Oldsmobile racing Pontiac,i'm rooting for Pontiac this one!!
Not bad, nice presentation!!
No extra cubic inches to see here.
Wow highland hts ohio,is a suburb of Cleveland ohio.
Smiled the whole Race ! 😂! F;*& Awesome!
That Oldsmobile did much better than I expected.
Love these two cars. They my favorite cars of all times
RA II is an obvious winner here, but then again someone could have tricked out an Olds Ram Rod...we'll see.
RA II : 114.9 mph in the quarter, quite amazing! Gotta say I have not seen a W31 ever run mid-12's like that car, it is nicely "Optimized"....?
That pontiac ain't stock.
Great videos……. Thank you
What the hell happened to the comical commentary???
The comical commentary was in the live chat. Lol
@@mohamhead9701 bummer!
Now that's some real good racin'...
Thanks for your channel. Great content.
Thank you for the cool videos!
Both are great cars
Great video as usual thx bro 😁👍
Both super clean and awesome cars
I LOVE THE GTO BODY STYLE AND WIN
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Loved it
The GTO is beautiful
Here comes the judge !