i'm a cllr in bournemouth christchurch and poole, we had to make massive cuts to the budget in order to avoid a section 114 notice, we have massive issues in SEND and no money to do anything about it.... this cannot go on.
@@kinggeoffrey3801as a direct result of the central government squeezing all local councils, pressuring them to sell off assets which long term is a terrible idea but they need the short term funds.
Santina is absolutly right about the Beaufort's Dyke munitions dump being a contributing factor to the prohibative £335 bn estimated cost of an Irish raodbridge.
"I love talking about local authorities" was the best line, and i do too!! Although watching Dune and talking about local authorities would be a top night out!
I'm not sure I'm a massive fan of how passive-aggressive Oli has been coming across the last couple of episodes. Feels like some off camera beef going on.
This is the first time I understood he says "Hate Nonsense" and not "Hate Nonces", makes so much more sense now. I just thought it was a weird catchphrase.
I was starting to think Eva had gone on a complete tangent for a second, but she is completely right in that there should be a recentralisation of social services and their funding. Anything that can be consistently applied across the country should be centrally managed and it would allow for better allocation of budgets and resources.
I dunno about centralising it in a traditional sense. But use of new technology like AI might be able to help with planning and spending across the system. Just as big corps like Walmart do (but for social benefit, not profit, obvs).
@@Smittumi I know where you are coming from, in areas like managing roadworks and route planning for rubbish collection etc it would be handy. I think centralisation more in terms of having the budgets centralised for things like social care so that more affluent areas where they garner more income from council tax etc would level out for areas where the council tax income is less. The reason for taxation in the first place was for everyone to share the burden and the amount of income disparity across council areas is part of the reason for some councils struggling more than others.
Indeed. The current system essentially turns these services into a postcode lottery. @Smittumi - Agree that government is a bit cumbersome but AI as an answer to everything is becoming a bit frustrating. Doesn't matter what the question is; AI seems to be the answer. It's like AI means we don't have to think about any actual solutions that can be implemented right now.
I've noticed Sunak often tries to talk over women questioners in particular. He did it repeatedly during the Covid inquiry. Didn't try it on with Hugo Keith.
I totally agree that funding for council services should (and to some extent is - although the amount has been steadily been reduced) come from central government. Otherwise, poorer areas, where more people are getting assistance for council tax, will get steadily poorer as their council tax intake is smaller than wealthier areas.
Why does he get to say "you wouldn't expect me to comment on" as a get out of jail free card for everything. Is the whole point of him being there not to comment on and answer questions.
I'm a councillor in a unitary authority in Scotland and only about 1/6th of our funding comes from council tax. The vast majority comes from the government (Scottish in this case but they in turn are getting it from Westminster) and I'm a bit depressed that Ava seems woefully ignorant of how local government finance works. And while I'm at it suddenly announcing more money "for potholes" is one of the reasons we're in this mess with roads. We then need to either purchase the gear to let us fill roads and also (and this is the hardest part it turns out) recruit people who know how to use it. Or we contract it out and discover that there's not enough companies who are willing to do that because this stop/start funding means there's been no money for the previous few years so the companies no longer exist in sufficient numbers.
The way rishi sunak launches into a speal about how he absolutely knows how important councils are to the people is just so cringeworthy and patronising. Do we really need convincing about how important councils are and what it means to people
24:10 the point Ava made there is one that i have always wondered myself. The idea that social care budget comes from council taxes is just mad to me. Imagine the councils with more elderly people, a significant amount of their budget will go on to social care. Similar for urban areas with a lot of young people having children, a lot of the council's budget will go on to child care etc etc. it seems to me that with the government stats, those budget should come from the central government.
I know some people like it, but the small talk doesnt do it for me. What other channels offer a half decent uk political view? It seems most channels are US focused.
Political Currency or How to Win an Election are probably the two best ones knocking around. The Rest is Politics can be decent from time to time. Different format, but Politico's Westminster Insider is very good too.
Oh my love it put some drama into the intro mix it up a bit ! Was getting really pissed with the shouting start ,when I last said about this someone had go at me , told me I wasn’t getting the vibe and to go to the spectator . P.s I now feel really guilty now aswell as my clear phobia of loud intros .
Really difficult watch this week as Ollie was acting like a real prick to Ava, doing a bad mix of interrupting and then mansplaining back to her what he didn’t allow her to finish. Her point about council tax is really important- councils made up of very wealthy citizens will require less services and therefore be taxed less (see Chelsea and Westminster) whereas struggling regions have too many needs that council tax would be unaffordable to many in those regions.
I pray he isn't replaced as PM , I'm so looking fwd to seeing him try to talk himself out of crushing failure and humiliation (and I really do think farmers are horrible)
Farmers are indeed a horrible bunch or nepotistic, luddite, antiquated, traditionalist, unfortunately necessary members of society. If only they didn't care about getting rich and exploiting tax payers.
Yes, it would be interesting if in the leaving speech he actually leaves with respect for the result and with any dignity. I remember the PMs John Major and Gordon Brown leaving office after losing, Major very much the statesman after a huge defeat. Meanwhile I hope they have live tv leaders debates again, I think Sunak's inability to remain calm when criticised for any policy, won't win him over!
Oli is so permissive with Ava... I don't blame him. She's so enchanting. Lovely ackward mutual teasing . Makes the news delivery so much more entertaining and easier for us not getting depressed.
If you're a minster and you're looking for a role in industry ACOBA may insist on six months between standing down as a minister in the government and starting that job. This is about planning for after they are no longer MPs and ministers.
Totally agree with the central funding for social care...I thought that was what the Social Care Levy was for? But then Council Tax increases still happen and it is still not enough to cover services. The council tax system needs a total overhaul as the valuation system based on 1991 housing valuations is totally out of whack with bands for houses and wealthy areas can get away with paying less.
I know this will be a bit of a "who cares" moment but, I've really been struggling to get through these podcasts lately. I'm all for a bit of banter between the team but, I'm 24 minutes in and every time a point comes up that's related to the topic at hand it just gets lost amidst jokes and jabs.
This whole episode felt less like a political podcast and more like an experimental theatre piece about... something? It's just these two fucking with each other for an hour and constantly getting distracted to bicker. Either way, I quite like it.
Ava saying that Florence herself had a tent and a dream reminds me of Oli's interview on Fin vs The Internet: that naughty basement Joe only had a shovel and a dream.
Can you talk about how the MP for Uxbridge is campaining for a Fish and Chip Shop in the town centre! THEY ARE GOING TO BUILD THE PEOPLE'S CHIPPY! Build it and they will come!
@35:05 I think the story Ava is referring to is when Suella Braverman took a massive RAF transporter plane to Manston Airport, situated next door to the Manston Immigration Centre, near Ramsgate in Kent. It's the same airport that was used to store lorries when Brexit first happened, and Operation Brock on the M20 had too many lorries parked up. The airport is unused for commercial flights and has been for years, but it is still by technicality an active airfield for vanity flights by ministers looking to score political points.
There’s a lot of problems within construction at the moment, mainly a massive shortage of labour! Most of us are chasing our arses trying to keep up with demand. Brexit. The deal that keeps on giving!
Ahem, Florence Nightingale was a nurse during the *crimean* war. Not ww1, so she was not at the Somme. Don’t tell me I didn’t get the joke, it would have been funnier if they referenced crimea.
Chances of councils building social housing is zero, chances of making it easier for developers to build the type of houses they want to build, 100%. The average house built where we live in the south east are £500K upwards, the amount of homes for social housing can be counted on one hand !!
26:40 makes you wonder why we pay council tax and income tax, they should scrap one or the other and increase the remaining tax to equate for the difference, it would probably be cheaper for all of us because too much money is wasted by councils and governments
love podcast hate nonsense it's the politics Joe podcast ladies and gentlemen (these were more fun with the shouty intros which the automatic subtitles mangled more)
Can someone explain how Rishi is a technocrat? The start of his answer is typically political "i love councils" he does turn to money for a minute but then just dodges the question on cuts from the councils
He isn't a technocrat tory, ricky is a 2nd generation Indian sons and gentlemen tory, he's in power because he represents their interests just like boris and cameron before they were both sons and gentlemen torys from the establishment order, all fully subscribed to Thatcherism but fundamentally Etonian privileged elites. Tory's haven't had a proper technocrat leader since john major.
Each time I watch this show I leave it considerably less informed than when I start. 10/10. No notes.
This idea that the Tory party is better economically is laughable n doesn’t hold up to scrutiny.
"Scrutiny"
It doesn't hold up to a casual glance.
What, Kwazi Kwartang and Liz Truss tanking the economy based on zombie economic theories from the 80s didn't inspire confidence?
@@boabplz4107 aye
It basically means, they could do it if they had the capacity to empathise but they're more interested in making money for themselves.
i'm a cllr in bournemouth christchurch and poole, we had to make massive cuts to the budget in order to avoid a section 114 notice, we have massive issues in SEND and no money to do anything about it....
this cannot go on.
Unfortunately Adrian, your party cheerled for this for 5 years. Suck it up
Whats a cllr?
@@brandonkelly5520 councillor.
Yet you increased everyone's council tax expecting everyone else to bail you out.
@@kinggeoffrey3801as a direct result of the central government squeezing all local councils, pressuring them to sell off assets which long term is a terrible idea but they need the short term funds.
Santina is absolutly right about the Beaufort's Dyke munitions dump being a contributing factor to the prohibative £335 bn estimated cost of an Irish raodbridge.
But Boris said it would only cost a billion. Could he have made a mistake? Not like him, at all. Oh no.
Day 1 of asking for a production team mic so we can hear their contributions
I second this
@@hardy_har give Laura the ability to cut off Oli's mic whenever he starts yelling and blowing out the audio
"I love talking about local authorities" was the best line, and i do too!! Although watching Dune and talking about local authorities would be a top night out!
"type A galaxy brain" might be the best thing Oli Dugmore has ever said
It went over everyones head 😂
I can't take this level of passive aggressive conversation. It's literally making me tense 😬
it's all ironically passive aggressive it's just British humour
@@brambam I'm British. It's still straddling something underneath that feels a bit too tense.
Funny how awkward conversations get between colleagues when they're obviously knackered.
I'm not sure I'm a massive fan of how passive-aggressive Oli has been coming across the last couple of episodes. Feels like some off camera beef going on.
“Mummy, are you and Daddy getting divorced?😢”
I think they’re all getting divorced.😊
Ava going full Ned Stark with "You think my life is some precious thing to me?"
This is the first time I understood he says "Hate Nonsense" and not "Hate Nonces", makes so much more sense now. I just thought it was a weird catchphrase.
I was starting to think Eva had gone on a complete tangent for a second, but she is completely right in that there should be a recentralisation of social services and their funding. Anything that can be consistently applied across the country should be centrally managed and it would allow for better allocation of budgets and resources.
I dunno about centralising it in a traditional sense. But use of new technology like AI might be able to help with planning and spending across the system. Just as big corps like Walmart do (but for social benefit, not profit, obvs).
@@Smittumi I know where you are coming from, in areas like managing roadworks and route planning for rubbish collection etc it would be handy. I think centralisation more in terms of having the budgets centralised for things like social care so that more affluent areas where they garner more income from council tax etc would level out for areas where the council tax income is less. The reason for taxation in the first place was for everyone to share the burden and the amount of income disparity across council areas is part of the reason for some councils struggling more than others.
@@EamonCoyle💯
Indeed. The current system essentially turns these services into a postcode lottery.
@Smittumi - Agree that government is a bit cumbersome but AI as an answer to everything is becoming a bit frustrating. Doesn't matter what the question is; AI seems to be the answer. It's like AI means we don't have to think about any actual solutions that can be implemented right now.
Edging towards late Pete & Dud levels of uncomfortable with the bantz there 😂
The munitions dump blocking the best spot for the bridge to Ireland thing is totally true btw
Ollie was annoying and unfair with Eva in this. He needs to chill with his power trip!
I've noticed Sunak often tries to talk over women questioners in particular. He did it repeatedly during the Covid inquiry. Didn't try it on with Hugo Keith.
Fuck me Olly, sometimes the information is at the end of Ava's sentence
'Ava Santina - Garrick Club Treasurer' 😂
The farmers will never forget this Dugmore. Let's just say, keep an eye on your fresh produce, Son.
Sunak is a Technocrat. Is the definition now an irritating out of touch hedge fund intern?
Technoprat is more accurate description of this bumbling Buffon
Oli seems to be quite chippy recently (see last episode also). It makes the podcast worse unfortunately
I totally agree that funding for council services should (and to some extent is - although the amount has been steadily been reduced) come from central government. Otherwise, poorer areas, where more people are getting assistance for council tax, will get steadily poorer as their council tax intake is smaller than wealthier areas.
Why does he get to say "you wouldn't expect me to comment on" as a get out of jail free card for everything. Is the whole point of him being there not to comment on and answer questions.
Not enough push back from any of them really. Just like the Media.
I'm a councillor in a unitary authority in Scotland and only about 1/6th of our funding comes from council tax. The vast majority comes from the government (Scottish in this case but they in turn are getting it from Westminster) and I'm a bit depressed that Ava seems woefully ignorant of how local government finance works.
And while I'm at it suddenly announcing more money "for potholes" is one of the reasons we're in this mess with roads. We then need to either purchase the gear to let us fill roads and also (and this is the hardest part it turns out) recruit people who know how to use it. Or we contract it out and discover that there's not enough companies who are willing to do that because this stop/start funding means there's been no money for the previous few years so the companies no longer exist in sufficient numbers.
The way rishi sunak launches into a speal about how he absolutely knows how important councils are to the people is just so cringeworthy and patronising. Do we really need convincing about how important councils are and what it means to people
Get Ava a ticket to the cinema before there is a flaming torch mob outside of your office, Dugmore.
24:10 the point Ava made there is one that i have always wondered myself. The idea that social care budget comes from council taxes is just mad to me. Imagine the councils with more elderly people, a significant amount of their budget will go on to social care. Similar for urban areas with a lot of young people having children, a lot of the council's budget will go on to child care etc etc. it seems to me that with the government stats, those budget should come from the central government.
Fiery ep between these two today
Going full Alan Partridge on the farmers there! 😂🤣😂🇵🇸✊
Need Ed back to intervene and start separate arguments.
Agreed.
There is definite tension between Oli and Ava.
Not a good look.
I know some people like it, but the small talk doesnt do it for me. What other channels offer a half decent uk political view? It seems most channels are US focused.
Political Currency or How to Win an Election are probably the two best ones knocking around. The Rest is Politics can be decent from time to time. Different format, but Politico's Westminster Insider is very good too.
Novara Media and Owen Jones This guy from east Anglia is great. There are quite a few.
As one of the poor bastards who used to pick up the phone to people who wanted to nag a Councillor to fill in their potholes, I feel seen.
The workplace drama is beautiful and half the reason I watch at this point
Can you not dial Ed in from Cornwall on one of those iPads on wheels? It’d be good content I reckon
I love it when Ava goes full send on the politics geekery. Local authority budget discussion ftw.
Oh my love it put some drama into the intro mix it up a bit ! Was getting really pissed with the shouting start ,when I last said about this someone had go at me , told me I wasn’t getting the vibe and to go to the spectator . P.s I now feel really guilty now aswell as my clear phobia of loud intros .
You guys be flirting lol
No Ed.. sad day 😔😔
And Schools,they could go open air,problem a lot of them have sold off their sports field.
Because they were able to, Gove's Academy status means sports is not a core subject
Really difficult watch this week as Ollie was acting like a real prick to Ava, doing a bad mix of interrupting and then mansplaining back to her what he didn’t allow her to finish. Her point about council tax is really important- councils made up of very wealthy citizens will require less services and therefore be taxed less (see Chelsea and Westminster) whereas struggling regions have too many needs that council tax would be unaffordable to many in those regions.
Please don't ever change.
Please feel free to change
I pray he isn't replaced as PM , I'm so looking fwd to seeing him try to talk himself out of crushing failure and humiliation (and I really do think farmers are horrible)
can't wait for him to call a general election as a final f you to the other Tories
Farmers are indeed a horrible bunch or nepotistic, luddite, antiquated, traditionalist, unfortunately necessary members of society. If only they didn't care about getting rich and exploiting tax payers.
Yes, it would be interesting if in the leaving speech he actually leaves with respect for the result and with any dignity. I remember the PMs John Major and Gordon Brown leaving office after losing, Major very much the statesman after a huge defeat.
Meanwhile I hope they have live tv leaders debates again, I think Sunak's inability to remain calm when criticised for any policy, won't win him over!
Oli is so permissive with Ava... I don't blame him. She's so enchanting. Lovely ackward mutual teasing . Makes the news delivery so much more entertaining and easier for us not getting depressed.
The David Lynch version of Dune is 1000% better than this latest dismal affair
Just ask her Oli. What’s the worst she can say? 😆😘
Someone needs to show total GDP, total Govt Income and how much they then give to Councils over time. Compare this and follow the money!
Who is this June they speak of. Is she an MP or a minister or something ?
Yeah - MP June Too (Arrakis North)
If you're a minster and you're looking for a role in industry ACOBA may insist on six months between standing down as a minister in the government and starting that job.
This is about planning for after they are no longer MPs and ministers.
Two elderly people shout at clouds
Are they saying Dune or June ?
Doom
Seriously! I had no idea what they were talking about until I realised they were mispronouncing "Dune".
I love this show you lot crack me up
Totally agree with the central funding for social care...I thought that was what the Social Care Levy was for? But then Council Tax increases still happen and it is still not enough to cover services. The council tax system needs a total overhaul as the valuation system based on 1991 housing valuations is totally out of whack with bands for houses and wealthy areas can get away with paying less.
I know this will be a bit of a "who cares" moment but, I've really been struggling to get through these podcasts lately. I'm all for a bit of banter between the team but, I'm 24 minutes in and every time a point comes up that's related to the topic at hand it just gets lost amidst jokes and jabs.
This whole episode felt less like a political podcast and more like an experimental theatre piece about... something? It's just these two fucking with each other for an hour and constantly getting distracted to bicker. Either way, I quite like it.
Type A brainfart there Oli a free pint is a free pint, obviously Ava being based there given out the deets
Ollie defo skips to work 😂
Ava saying that Florence herself had a tent and a dream reminds me of Oli's interview on Fin vs The Internet: that naughty basement Joe only had a shovel and a dream.
I can't decide who I like less
Fill in the potholes or the people. Choose.
I love these two..Who ARE they?!
this podcast just gets better and better as our politics gets madder and madder and you reflect it so. perfectly. Thankyou so much Politics Joe.
Lol had one of them made bike screening units at work was literally just a lorry
Can you talk about how the MP for Uxbridge is campaining for a Fish and Chip Shop in the town centre! THEY ARE GOING TO BUILD THE PEOPLE'S CHIPPY! Build it and they will come!
Slightly awkward that Oli feels the need to salute 'Führer' at 1:00:56 in the middle of discussing fielding Left-wing candidates...
@35:05 I think the story Ava is referring to is when Suella Braverman took a massive RAF transporter plane to Manston Airport, situated next door to the Manston Immigration Centre, near Ramsgate in Kent.
It's the same airport that was used to store lorries when Brexit first happened, and Operation Brock on the M20 had too many lorries parked up.
The airport is unused for commercial flights and has been for years, but it is still by technicality an active airfield for vanity flights by ministers looking to score political points.
Is Rory Stewart being in the Beefsteak club also an example of someone trying to "change it from within"? [winkwinknudgenudge]
There’s a lot of problems within construction at the moment, mainly a massive shortage of labour! Most of us are chasing our arses trying to keep up with demand. Brexit. The deal that keeps on giving!
Ahem, Florence Nightingale was a nurse during the *crimean* war. Not ww1, so she was not at the Somme.
Don’t tell me I didn’t get the joke, it would have been funnier if they referenced crimea.
You guys! 😍❤️🖤
I miss Ed... He works as a sort of buffer for these two.
Nottingham City Council not Nottinghamshire County Council :) Two different entities
so when r u inviting dennis skinner on the show?? 😂😂😂😁😁
Chances of councils building social housing is zero, chances of making it easier for developers to build the type of houses they want to build, 100%. The average house built where we live in the south east are £500K upwards, the amount of homes for social housing can be counted on one hand !!
Until Right to Buy is repealed, councils building social housing is just an infinite money hole that transfers their funding to private home owners.
The Tories are gonna shit in Starmer's trousers and then go "ha ha, look everyone, Keir shit himself!"
You guys should definately have a third person, it’s getting a bit awkward between you both
even the off-camera crew is ROFL
brilliant!
Going to see a medium pretend to talk to my dead family members would be my Dune 2
Ooh, look; Prime miniature Sunak!
Bring back Ed
26:40 makes you wonder why we pay council tax and income tax, they should scrap one or the other and increase the remaining tax to equate for the difference, it would probably be cheaper for all of us because too much money is wasted by councils and governments
Local taxes for local people
At least when Ava goes to hell you'll still be able to get her opinion on the show by getting her psychic to seance her in.
Norton sorry, im registered blind
love podcast hate nonsense it's the politics Joe podcast ladies and gentlemen
(these were more fun with the shouty intros which the automatic subtitles mangled more)
Nonces
It’s nonces
@@aidencahill2664 I've heard it both ways
@@aidencahill2664 I just say what the automatic subtitles tell me to say.
A tent and a dream 😂😂😂
Can someone explain how Rishi is a technocrat? The start of his answer is typically political "i love councils" he does turn to money for a minute but then just dodges the question on cuts from the councils
He isn't a technocrat tory, ricky is a 2nd generation Indian sons and gentlemen tory, he's in power because he represents their interests just like boris and cameron before they were both sons and gentlemen torys from the establishment order, all fully subscribed to Thatcherism but fundamentally Etonian privileged elites. Tory's haven't had a proper technocrat leader since john major.
He needs grilling aright,on a George Foreman
no ED again? Might be a dealbreaker for me im afraid haha
I just want to log into social media and not be hated for being a bit brown.
Administrated, or administered?
Ollie, you ok hun? ☹️
Ava, you really need to look at the Housing Act 1988
Strangely fascinating episode or it that a strange, fascinating episode.
Oli Dugmore; make pot holes great again
Who is the bald guy sitting behind Sunak on the left?
Can you tell the stream to stop lagging 👍