Liz Truss is back, David Cameron backs Israel and Sadiq Khan aims to end homelessness | Podcast #47
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- Опубліковано 14 кві 2024
- Ava was out chatting to Sadiq Khan this morning about his plan to end homelessness in London if reelected as mayor.
We also take a look at the UK's response to Iran's attack on Israel over the weekend, with former PM and now Foreign Sec David Cameron out batting for the government, and Israel, this morning.
Finally, this week Liz Truss comes crawling back to the world of politics with her new book on her short-lived stint in Number 10. We take a look at the juiciest lines to come out so far.
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Props to Ed for keeping a straight face when that guy busted out the Magna Carta. Its heartening to see so many Brits being experts in 13th century law.
Tbf the Magna Carta is a foundational part of our politial and legal history, can’t blame this guy for Brits being generally ignorant
Pity he wasn't even reasonably competent in stock trading. Your stock portfolio crashing is a risk he took. When you gamble, then sometimes you lose.
@@Bobbydyland I'm afraid that you are not reasonably competent in your interpretation of history. Virgin offered to buy the shares from the shareholders at about £2.50 per share, therefore those share were valued at £2.50 per share. The government blocked it and simply took the shares from the shareholders without payment. That is what the Northern Rock (former) shareholder was unhappy about.
Actually Ava, you need to acknowledge that for people entering the workforce in public services, that accommodation in London is unaffordable.
exactly this - if this was enforced the city would collapse
Her point was - people living outside of London shouldnt get London weighting for jobs they hold in London but are working from home.
@@sandham Yeah and it was a trash point.
Liz Truss becoming leader of the Conservatives again would leave Labour delighted. She is hopeless, but incredibly arrogant.
The tax burden is not high because the state is massive, the tax burden is high because wages haven’t been growing at a healthy rate (because people don’t understand sub-inflationary pay rises) and because of the sell-off of public assets and gradual diminishment of public services. The government is now renting assets it used to own (e.g. council houses) and paying contractors for work they used to do in house, letting a class of asset and business owners skim money off the top of most areas of public expenditure. In order to win contracts these people promise the impossible and when they underdeliver and over charge they can walk away without any real consequences and the public ultimately has to cover the cost. :)
Wage increases in the private sector have always been 0-2%, far less than in the public sector, this might come as a shock but the only way to get a pay raise Is to change jobs, you learn as much as you can in your current job and you use that to get another job better paid, it’s called career development. Although I agree selling off social housing was a mistake but if I remember correctly, the council were supposed to build new housing with the money but even labour council just spent it. And the main reason private business are able to make a profit where is public businesses can’t, is down to efficiency. Although what they did to the water, electric, gas and the trains was an absolute crime, that we are going to be paying for ever. But then again if Arthur Scargill hadn’t tried to bring the government down using the water, gas, electric, trains and coal industries maybe the Conservatives wouldn’t have gutted those industries to prevent it from happening again. Yes people conveniently forget why they were privatised to neuter the unions, and then it’s taken too far as usual
@@johnwhite2293 Councils were actively BANNED from building replacement housing. By Thatcher.
It toook years of government for Labour to begin undoing that - which led to the expansion of 'Housing Associations'.
Councils absolutely *should* have been allowed to use sales money to fully replace stock, but thta would never have led to the enrichment of potential Tory voters (and let's not pretend that the Right to Buy was about anything other than gaining potential Tory votes by both bribing people and breaking up local communities, it is offical record after all).
Private businesses do not make profit over the services offered by public companies by maximising efficiency either. That myth has not once been shown to hold any water whatsoever in the UK.
In almost every example I have ever researched, they have done so by minimising the service offered. Service diminishment is the ONLY game in town.
Now, you could quite easily stop a lot of that tomorrow by having contracts rewritten, enforcable reclaimation, etc etc, but even then plenty of private companies would still take on contracts that they can never hope to deliver and then simply fold, knowing that no action will be taken against the perpetrators. Hell, if they become big enough in the mean time, they'll not even have to fold. Just get new contracts.
Thatcher wouldn’t let councils use money from the sale of council houses to build more. She was ideologically opposed to any public provision. Private more efficient ? G4S, disaster of privatising part of the probation service ? . I could go on.. Rail, water ? More efficient ? No !
If everyone is applying for jobs all the time and employers have so many candidates, why would they feel the need to offer competitive wages.
If the government putting up peoples wages causes prices to increase (to protect profits) will that happen if the invisible hand of the market raises wages? Or will businesses say fair enough and not protect their profits?
As far as I'm aware, everyone in my public sector department, is required to be in the office 60% minimum. Or apply for an exception approved by a director.
Not sure what public sector workers Ava is talking to, but it's not a reality I recognise.
Love Ava but the public sector is not paying London weighting to workers who don’t live here. It’s just not a thing that is happening
It definitely does happen - lots of workers live in the home counties and only come in once or twice per week.
Commuted for 20 years, now wfh since pandemic, commuting much less, having a better work life balance and more time with family whilst working harder and being more productive than ever.
Should they reduce my wages AVA?
I work for a local authority and have seen a fair few colleagues who would commute in to the borough we work in where we get inner London weighting from far afield - wales, Margate, Sheffield, Ashford, some village in Hertfordshire, are a few of the places I can think of colleagues former or present commuting in from. They’ve mostly been more senior people who have a management position, a mortgage and a family, one or two of them have been people whose job requires a fair bit of technical expertise so they’re not easy to come by. Most of those people would work from the office for 3 to 4 days a week and from home one or two, and stay overnight with friends or in a guesthouse whilst in London. A couple people I’ve known would have really long journeys (over 2 hours) and do that on the days they work from the office.
I should have been clearer - are there some examples of this happening? Sure. Is this a common or widespread phenomenon? No, it’s really not. Even if we’re going to indulge that argument for a moment, are we now begrudging people earning slightly better money based on sometimes having to travel for their job? Idk, just seemed a very rare ill-informed and mean spirited L from Ava.
@@nileevans229The London weighting has already covered the period you were commuting for. It’s good that working from home has improved your situation, but should you really be making more than someone else with the same job outside of London? I don’t think so. On a personal level, i’m glad you’re doing well, but in a logical assessment of whether it’s fair, I don’t think it necessarily is.
I think every individual worker is long overdue a pay rise, but should you be entitled to an area-based incentive scheme when you’re not in the area? It’s paid for with taxes, for one thing. Far larger sums of tax revenue are wasted daily on worse things though (like governmental cockups and corruption).
So in answer to your question, it’s great for you that you’ve been able to keep your weighting pay despite no longer commuting. It’s not great that the idea is to help workers with the extra expense of living in London, and you’re benefitting from that system despite not actually living or working in London, which could mean this is happening in a more widespread way, which could be affecting other people. Without being able to point at evidence of bad consequence of this, overall it’s not a bad thing and i’m happy for you.
You only get the London weighting if your office is based in London. You are then expected to commute to that office 3 times a week (60%). You can't work from home full time and get the London weighting.
God I'd wish Truss would just go away.
The person who gave Saville the prison keys is currently the President of High Peak Conservative party aka Edwina Currie
Have I Got News For You and Mock the Week were my main exposure to news and politics when I was a kid. Definitely formative
If homelessness is made illegal then it follows that housing the homeless should be mandatory
In prisons
@@keycuz why prisons, they're already full
Maybe refugees in hotels can be given a job building prisons.
@@keycuzfor what crime?
@@evanlewis2349 they make middle class white women feel unsafe and dirty up the ground where they like their dogs to shit.
The sequel no one asked for. Break out a fresh head of lettuce, lads
Did you hear Liz ordered furniture and was out of No10 before it got delivered...?
I once had a holiday longer than the Liz Truss period.
Can someone explain the lettuce thing, never bothered to look it up ha
@@richardhands904 someone photoed a lettuce every day Liz was in. The lettuce lasted longer.
The Magna Carta was written and signed in Runnymede, a replica copy is held at Royal Holloway University of London but the original four copies are shared at the University of Lincoln, Salisbury Cathedral, and two out of the four are kept at the British library.
I’m not a nerd - my girlfriend went to RHUL and her best mate went to Lincoln. So Ava - you’re kind of right, there is a copy in Surrey. A copy written in the 1970s and is identical to all 4 other original copies.
Lettuce pray … for a really good Caesar salad
Means testing costs more than just giving a benefit to everyone.
This is Tory spew. I can't find any legit information on this topic other than soundbites so please do share the info that gave you the confidence for this assertion?
Which intern did the audio for this episode?
Seriously has Ed had Oli black bagged in the night and taken away to a secret prison somewhere? I'm getting a little worried Oli tried to lay down the law and his rebellious underlings seem to have had a quite coup.....WHERE IS OLI? The people demand answer.
Very good point about house prices masking poverty - only point I would bring up is that you have mentioned pensioners as being ''asset rich'' before so be aware it cuts both ways 🙂.
Ed with the Bill O’riley reference 🧐🤣
I only started watching/listening like 4 weeks ago.
as Stewart lee says..the Metropolitan elite!!!!
Stewart moved on from the Metro-Lib-Elite a couple of years back. Currently residing in THE STALINIST WOKE DIKTATORSHAFT GULAG OF Stewart Lee
The fact that people don't just laugh Liz Truss out of any building She goes in to speak is a damning assessment of this country at the moment.
Ava view of the civil service seems limited and not really based in reality. All civil servants are required to be in office 60% of the time unless they have an OH or circumstances that mean this needs to be less, and that has to be recommended by the OH provider. As for a left-wing civil service, your utter nonsense Senior management is much more conservative and geared towards emulating the private sector because of this obsession with copying the Private Sector- Its why many civil servants refer to tax payers as customers and it bugs me no end. But actually acknowledging we are public servants and not a business is actually looked down on by many managers. Finally, all civil servants agree to the civil service code which states we are to serve the public by serving the government of the day, however if there are questions of legality etc, we are required by the code to seek advise and advise ministers were international law etc could be breached etc. So if a Ciivl Servants has an ethical and legitimate ethical question around what they are being asked they have right to ask questions around that. In the examples sighted you have the Rwanda plan which has been beset with legal issues so its no surprise Civil Servants have asked questions around the legality of what they are being asked to do, as for sales of arms to Israel again I can understand the moral questions civil servants might have given the situation and again the code comes into play. Which is more than can be said for numerous ministers who have scapegoated the CS at every opportunity failing on their end to uphold the code. But I digress, the basic fact is Ministers very much are the ultimate people who direct the civil service you dont like whats happening with the CS your elected Ministers are the ones in charge
Mask well and truly slips on this woman at 10:30 when she says that she's pissed off with people who live in Leicester but still get the 'London weighting', she's got an underlying individualist Thatcherite mentality and will be a Tory by the time she's 45.
She begrudges a small group of hypothetical people for earning the same as her despite living in Leicester, and believes they should get a pay cut. Then tries to pivot and claim she was claiming that she was talking about public servants. So she thinks some public servants should get a pay cut? After years of 0% or 1% pay increases, serious real terms pay cuts, I say good on them if they've found a loophole to offset some or all of that real terms pay cut. Lets not forget that employers are saving when people work remotely, saving in the cost of office space.
I can't stand these virtual signalling middle class types who are socialist ideologues until the point that the realise they are getting closer to the point where they are to inherit wealth from the previous generation, and start to realise that low inheritance taxes benefit them enormously.
Ditch this girl, she'll only embarrass you down the line.
Just on the London weighting public sector stuff, London weighting is tiny at the moment and has been decreased year on year
Being from Workington, I cannot wait to see which specimens Ed spoke to.
Joined the livestream a bit later after work and saw Nish and Josh and thought for a second "if operation Rome has fallen led to this, I'm intrigued. I hope Ava is happy, freeing time to canvas for her reform seat"
Londons open come all !!! Sadiq Khans words of wisdom. Last time in London I had five grand cash and couldnt find a room...67 too old !
Cameron backs whoever pays him the most.
That is antisemitic
@@ReedoTV everything is antisemitic 🙄
@@ReedoTVnot antisemitic, anti Tory though
Re London weighting - for example, advertising agencies charge a premium for being in London so if I'm working for a London agency firm and we are creating something for a brand such as say, Cadburys and they are paying London agency fees then I want a slice of that fee too whether I'm remote or not.
I used to work in a complaints department of a debt collection agency as my first job out of uni, we used to get quite a few letters referring to parts of the magna carta. They were always ignored as not serious letters
There's one copy of the magna carta in lincoln Castle
Thank you for a great show. I would like to critique a little though because you don't give the names of the beautiful people with their fine banter.
Hard disagree about the London living requirement. I always wanted to move there but never could on my income. Lived in Grantham and knew people who commuted to London from there though. Extend it to the rest of the UK instead of cutting back.
Best preserved copy of the Magna Carta is in Salisbury Cathedral I think...plus its not Sab...its SAAAB!
The argument about London waiting misses that the money being saved on travel etc is now being spent in those regional areas which is a good thing.
I would much rather people spending on local businesses than spending all their money on private rail fare or at 1 of 6 pretts on a single central London road.
May as well as get rid of 'Love podcasts, hate nonces' bit it's so weak now. Shame.
Lost bit of edge to the show too recently it feels. Keep it fresh guys keep it fresh
We should just have South East weighting. Oxford for example, completely unaffordable for most workers. London prices, average pay.
The clues in the title “Northern” Rock. If is was soft southern wanker bank it’d be rescued 10 times over.
Can’t sack the boe governor. How does that fix anything?
So frustrating that they never follow up on “over reaction” by Iran talking point.
They gave Israel and the allies weeks warning then hours warning. Can’t believe a messed up regime like Iran is the one to look sane here
Yup, but the political class keep this out of their yoked press. The current v0ting majority (older X Gen'rs aren't all online like the Y2K & Zedders so haven't a clue which bolsters the power of the status quo). I'm fascinated by the next GE after this one.
Hasn't eds hair grown , bless him .
Staying with parents who own a home is also homeless if there’s no home ownership.
I think you've ruined me: I will literally never hear the mayor of London's name without thinking of his giant knockers.
Oh Yes, repetitive circles, we’re all to familiar to.
Where has referring to Saab become "Sab"?
Can confirm that the Magna Carta chat was absolutely around in 2008/09 and I've heard exactly that "argument" before. Same chap probably thinks there's a "law of the sea" too.
The Uk has regressed and it will end badly!
*is regressing
@@sinc10 Past tense. It has regressed! :-)
Failing upwards is a theme of our time.
11:48 why don't you promote house creation in London to reduce house prices so wages can come down and the playing field is leveled.
The mix and levels are weird on this.
Where's Oli ?
Took himself to cornwall
The green screen is glaringly obvious, you can hide it better than that. Everyone looks so green. Just use an actual black curtain even...
Glad I'm not the only one _slightly_ irritated with that 😂
I can’t unsee it now
It's not a green screen. It's a green light just off to the side.
@@hobosliveson Yeah, I think you're right actually. Still it's kinda baffling
"If you can pay for it, you should pay for it": is the whole point of a progressive taxation system. If we had a tax system that worked (i.e. without the loopholes and evasion), then universal benefits are fundamentally being paid for by the people who can afford them.
If the people who get more money each year than me paid the same % tax on the money they get as I pay on the money I get, we could have universal basic income.
You seem to have just described a system which protects the advantage of the already wealthy. Progressive taxation of income is a system designed to avoid people who don't own things getting rich and owning things.
It I wanted to create a system that would protect the privilege of the families who are already wealthy progressive income taxation is exactly how I would do it.
@billsomething a very simple way would be 20% flat rate tax on all income and realized capital gain. Probably have to exclude a single dwelling lived in for 12 months or more to avoid blocking people from moving area. I've only thought about this for 5 mins so it's not a complete tax system... cheaper to operate tho!
@@markysgeeklab8783 currently they pay less than me so sure, if you can get them to pay more then I’m here for it, but even pulling them up to what I pay would be a good start.
@@billdsomething The current system taxes hard work rather than wealth. Taxing hard work a bit less is a good start
magna carta is held in Lincoln Castle
My company is looking at London weighting for people who WFH all the time
Magna Carta is kept in Lincoln Castle - you heathens :)
10 m gbp is like one house in some areas
love podcast hate nonsense it's the politics Joe podcast ladies and gentlemen
They actually hate pedos pal
Losing values of shares is not losing goods - re Magna Carta. Saab was taken over by General Motors, kept losing money, their fighter planes kept being grounded and it was closed down
For a nation with a small, underfunded military, i find it ridiculous that we are getting involved in multiple conflicts that have nothing to do with us. Especially ones in which we have no mutual self defence alliances with nations involved, Ukraine and Israel
pretty sure you dont get london weighting in public sector if you dont live in london
Why are people not talking about Sudan?
worth pointing out that Truss only got to the final two of the Tory leadership campaign because Rishi leant her votes as he felt like he stood a better chance against her than he did against Mordaunt.
Haha I've just lost it at the golden boys inability to pronounce Saab 😂
Eh?
@@GG-hu9dn it's not sab
@AntlionUK Anal - retentive, are we? :-()
@@AntlionUK Perhaps that is the Chinese way of saying it, owned by them now.....
It’s the same as the north south pronunciation difference of the word ‘bath’.
Late to the comments, but child benefits already have a cut off. 100k earnings for one parent (not combined) and they all (apart from the new 15 hours free) turn off. Dan Neidle worked it out as an effective 15-20k loss of income as soon as you earn a penny over 100k. You effectively don't get back to the same net earnings until you earn over £150k.
I didn't realise 7 Up was still a thing!
She probably spelled it educashon secuterry
But they don't make Saabs anymore?! More's the pity...
Proof there is life on other planets and she walks amongst us.....😮
Genuinely, when I heard that she was off on tour in the US to talk to the fascists over there, I half expected it was a cover story for NASA and/or american intelligence to get their hands on her for experimentation...
There is so much dead air on these though. It's getting better but it's still a pretty rough listen.
We appear to supply a small % of Israel's weapons. Has anyone researched whether any sort of workaround is being operated. E.g. if a larger amount of British weapons get to Israel via an intermediary?
Hi it was a preplaned ‘tit for tat’ between Iran and Israel.
Because they live in London???
LOVE PODCASTS HATE NONCES IT'S THE POLITICS JOE PODCAST LADIES AND GENTLEMEN!!!!!
I'm sure there used to be a third guy on these, who was that again?
he got sent to cornwall
There was a squatted piece of land in runnymede, some anarchist, some wreck heads, artist, such and such but all the hippy contigent swore blind the magna carta would save us, it did last 3 years tho but not because of the fucking magna carter
This is the best podcast setup, the true two. However I would request that Ed please stop playing with his nuts over and over again, the microphone is not going to fall, leave those nuts alone.
7 seconds before Ed started nervously fiddling with his microphone...
I'm ok with that, but the green light upsets me..
You sure it was his microphone....
Liz needs a new career... maybe in some mid level company's Admin department
Ok why can neither of them pronounce Saab properly 😅
All thresholds are totally discretionary towards single parents ... some have good Jobs and salaries but are supporting kids alone .... why threshold calculations do not include number of people the salary supports ... I hope to be able to use NHS 😅 even if I earn bit more
I'm losing the will to live. Seriously I'm becoming depressed.
Ava should be the Sam Vimes of international diplomacy
Tell the Israeli ambassador to stop talking shit or she’ll be going home in an ambulance
If Truss comes back will that be the end of political satire?
Muppet has a book to promote.
Truss is not back. She simply has a book out & is doing some self promo work. No Tory member would back another leadership bid from Liz after the chaos she created last time. A chaos she is still completely dismissive of having caused. At one point in her book, she claims part of her downfall was the lack of experts backing her ideas, conveniently never once wondering if the experts might have been onto something.
The answer to millionaire's children benefiting from free school meals is simple: their taxes are playing for it.
Just a fucking band in the Titanic. Nish
*on* the Titanic, I may have been dinking when I watched this, sorry Nish
So tired of the London bubble on this show. We are aware London is expensive. However there are so many cities across the UK which are only marginally less expensive, yet where average wages are significantly less than the average in London. London is not the only place where wages do not cover the cost of living and where homes are vastly unaffordable. London weighting needs to be scrapped and ALL workers need to be paid well.
The public outside of London are being left behind. The best healthcare is in London, the best transport is in London, the best leisure facilities are in London, the best job opportunities are in London, but it's Londoners we should feel bad for? OK 😂
Pretty crap take on weighting. Doesn't affect you at all and god forbid more money is pumped into areas outside of London.
Why is she back?????
The notion that the consulate attack was the first move is just not correct. Iranian proxies have been engaging Israel extensively for the last six months, and both sides have taken steps in the last 10-15 years that have led up to this. I just hope Israel’s response is measured which seems unlikely given the rhetoric coming from the extreme right / some members of the war cabinet
If it helps at all:
Iran, whilst being quite reckless with potential civilian casualties, achieved what it set out to do in attacking Israel. They have been able to shore up support at home and within the region, without absolute escalation.
Had they intended to do maximal damage to Israel, or even really hurt them, they'd have used their forces (otherwise known as Hezbollah) too.
They didn't - probably knowing that there are those within Israel who would have quite liked the excuse to open a northern front.
Having launched the attacks, the Iranians set about with their usual alacrity in spreading huge disinformation domesticlly in both Farsi and Arabic.
Little surprise there at all for anybody.
From a western point of view, Western governments will happily point to the utter failure of the Iranian attacks - 99% of weapons and munitions launched were intercepted, many of them before getting to Israel - but really, Iran achieved what it needed to geo-politically and domestically.
As far as Iran trying to claim that it isn't a factor in the current hostilities in the Levant, that's just utter nonsense.
Iran planned the attacks of October 7th - it's frankly shocking that Op Ords were online literally the same day and western media has ignored that entirely (to lower calls for direct retaliation against Iran? Perhaps - Iran will probably be nuclear capable by next year).
It is directly funding the troubles in Yemen, including attacks on shipping in the Straits of Hormuz, and directly engaged in dozens of smaller scale proxy wars, mostly with the Saudis, but also in action against Israel.
And that's without even factoring in it's role in the Ukraine....
There'll be some focus on what response netanyahu chooses to these attacks, but that's little more than a local distraction (optics forhis domestic audience, as much as anything else). What will matter is how far the West decides to go to prevent nuclear proliferation in the Middle East.
Biden hsan't been able to get the talks started up again after Trump trashed it all, and Iran is not a stable nation. There remains a very real possibility of them using nuclear weapons via proxies - much more likely than via direct confrontation, given that Iranian foreign policy mandates keeping war as far from their borders as they can.
I know this channel isn't reaally about geo-politics, but, just food for thought for some of your viewers.
It does bug me that our media doesn't bother to look at the wider geo-political picture, ever.
Your big round table feels wrong
Small round table preferable?
@@justjackman The whole format is weird and uncomfortable
Glasto amateurs, Tuesday, camper van, make a week of it.
are millionaires sending their kids to state schools? i mean they should, but they dont.
Day 6 of asking for a production team microphone
Is this another coup attempt?! Oli‽‽ 😱
If you have Liz Truss on, I'm off 🤮