@@GrowLLLTigeRRR He was baptised in St Michaels church Dublin. I have forgotten the Irish name for Michael. Something like Michan. I am English but have been inside this church and very interesting it was too. I have touched the font in which he was baptised. Also in there are relatives of Nelson's fancy woman. They're in coffins covered in dark red covers. The grave yard is full of Oscar Wiled's family. In the entrance to the church a an very old keyboard. Handel first played his water music in that church and also on that very keyboard. Unfortunately, the church was vandalised a few years ago. Probably by Catholics as that church was a protestant church.
@@richardsevern2973 The Duke is a distant relative. His grandfather dropped the surname I would have shared with him for the name Wesley in order to inherit property from a heir-less man of that name.
it's Murray's "foreign policy" that destabilised the middle east and created the refugee crisis, but he never talks about it I think he's weasel rat, just like Yaron
"What is killing Western Civilization?", easy answer... islam and the Far Political Left... there it is, simple clear and exact... why are you talking so much about a very simple answer.... Douglas Murray is the smartest man in the Room.
It's actually mass migration. But secondly yes, it is Islam. We can deal with Islam if we stop mass migration. Britain should remain at least 95% indigenous. Other countries like Turkey, India, Pakistan, Congo... They get to have their own people run their own country without being called racist for wanting it that way. That should be a blood right, not to be squeezed out of your largest cities by progressive agendas
+Kurtlane You are misunderstanding his point. He is saying there are many ways to be wrong, and there is only one way to be right. If I say "communism is bad", that doesn't tell you what is right. Is fascism right? Is the mixed economy right? Is capitalism right? You can't tell. If I say, capitalism is right, then there is no confusion. An easy analogy is I can say an electron doesn't way 1kg. I can also say an electron doesn't weigh 10 kg. That doesn't tell you what it actually weighs, which is what is important. You are conflating ethics and epistemology. Yaron is talking about epistemology. You are talking about ethics.
@@damonhage7451 , sorry, your post is over my head. I don't understand epistemogy, and as far as I know, I wasn't talking just ethics. My teacher used to mention a woman who had recently given birth and was nursing her baby. She said, "I am a Madonna. And a cow." This was an example of the full truth. Not just Madonna, not just cow, but both. Same here. But if he means, "We need to teach ALSO the positive," then I agree.
+Kurtlane No worries. Epistemology is just the term philosophers use to mean the branch of philosophies that study knowledge. You can mean positive in two ways. You can be positive as in "good for you, a value" when you are talking about ethics. If your country is overrun with crime, that is not positive. That is a value judgement for you. The other meaning is a "positive claim". Basically meaning "I assert that such and such is true", which you can see comes under epistemology because you are making a knowledge claim. When Yaron was talking about tell the positive, I believe he meant this second type. It is similar to saying it doesn't do you any good to have a political party that is "against the dems". You also have to stand for something. In other words, you have to assert something is true, make a positive claim. I'm not sure what you mean by your analogy though. haha
@@damonhage7451 , thanks, it's getting clearer, but I am still confused. Let's say one teaches about both the beauty of Spanish 16th century art and the brutality of Spanish 16th century colonialism. Both are educational, they are about giving knowledge to students, so this should be epistemology. At the same time, my value judgement is that it is good to teach both. So this is ethics too. Philosophy is so confusing.
They aren't opposites. You don't teach one or the other. For example, there should be moral teaching. You in some sense could call that both an epistemological and an ethical crossover. They come up at different tiers. Metaphysics is the study of what is existence/reality. Epistemology is how do know or acquire knowledge. Those two are the basic branches of any philosophy. From these two branches you derive ethics. For example, if your metaphysical position is "nothing exists", then ethics doesn't makes sense. You can't do anything because nothing exists. If your metaphysical position is reality exists, but we know it through faith/God, then you will have an ethics that say what you should do is whatever he commanded. So they aren't opposites. Ethics is derived from metaphysics and epistemology. And the concepts of purpose/values/reasons to do or not do something don't come up until ethics.
@J OneLife They weren't. Stealing a patent, idea, or recipe doesn't make it your invention. The street lights you see all over the world were not invented by Whites. The lightbulb and cellphone you use, not invented by Whites. The Elevator, Ironing Board, Lawnmower, the Comb, Shoelaces, and potato chips you eat all were not invented by Whites, The first heart transplant was neither invented nor performed by Whites. Being in control is not ownership. Necessity is the mother of invention, people who live off of other peoples labor don't need to invent, they consume. I'm not saying that Whites didn't invent anything, but for you to say "almost all" is literally stretching the truth as far as it can go. Don't take my word for it, all of this is easily validated through just a bit of honest research.
@J OneLife Writing, paper, glass, mathematics, the calendar, pottery, medecine, surgery with metal implements, ALL AFRIKAN, I could go on , but suffice to say that I don't join in your tit-for-tat as competition, but to dispel your white supremacist NONSENSE, you have been LIED TO, so in that knowledge. I cannot deem you COMPLETELY at fault, you're just gullible and narcissistic! ua-cam.com/video/Dk02knYp0xA/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/AYyNKRLyCJk/v-deo.html
@J OneLife "The past 700 years we made most inventions"........WHAT ABSOLUTE NONSENSE! Europe was a poor backward DEAD END, until the renaissance! Look what AFRIKANS WERE DOING 9000 YEARS AGO! www.ancient-origins.net/ancient-places-africa/nabta-playa-and-ancient-astronomers-nubian-desert-002954 The Egyptians counted in binary 5000 years ago, it was only recovered in the West in the 20th Cent. There is NOTHING NEW under the sun.
@@jamestcatcato7132 lol the lied to calling others lied to. Truth is white people are the last skin tone to emerge. So for thousands of years you could have advanced and expounded on ideas. But instead warred enslaved pillaged ransacked. We white people learned all that stuff from you guys who were doing it a long time. You learned how to build civilizations from us. But do it wrong.
What absolute titans both these men are. One is the inheritor of objectivism, the other a man so poetic and articulate he made me weep when he was interviewed about the strange death of europe. What an incredible debate.
@@cillajendar4378 do you realise how lucky you are for the freedoms you have by living in the democratic west. What do you hope will follow if it does collapse. Islam? Communism? What? The grass is not always greener.
@@thruppenybit And the grass certainly isn't greener in the West!! I don't know why think it's only the West is democratic has freedom...I can assure you that there are places outside of the West that more democratic and more free than the West.
Yeah. Douglas is relatively sensible. Yaron comes across as extremely arrogant. Also, making life all about oneself and finding meaning in oneself can be a recipe for serious narcissism.
I can't stand either, it's Murray's "foreign policy" that destabilised the middle east and created the refugee crisis, but he never talks about it I think he's weasel rat, just like Yaron
@@albertrogers4130 Odd to see that you picked the greatest political disaster in British history for you avatar buddy. If you wanted Britain not to fall then you probably shouldn't be a fan of Churchill.
@Laurie You have disrespected the most chad of all Anglos. Besides the only guys who are more based than Churchill is Enoch Powell and Sir Oswald Mosley if I had the profile picture of both of them, I would get banned from jewtube anyways.
Im Irish and proud of it. The English ruling class have done a lot of bad things in Ireland. But not to me, and my generation is far better off because of the English experience, as has practically every country that England has colonised. England got a lot of things right and should not yield their sovereignty to a bunch of Eurocrats.
Thank you for saying so. I thought it was just me who couldn't decipher her seemingly random words. I want her to do well and perhaps reading your note will give her feedback.
Did they remove Judaism? Hillel, Golden Rule, secret charitable giving, entertaining strangers, the ultimately devotional nature of all our rituals and daily actions? All that is from Judaism.
I am scared of the reemergence of Western identity. But I am also hopeful about it. Because without it, without willingness to sacrifice oneself to defend one's children, parents, siblings, town, city, country, we are doomed. Without that we will all soon be dhimmis in Islamic caliphate. The soldiers who fought against Nazis 70+ years ago -- weren't they sacrificing themselves? The Finnish soldiers and civilians who fought against Soviet troops in the Winter war -- weren't they sacrificing themselves for their country? Israeli soldiers today are doing the same. And every army needs unity and togetherness. Without that it will be defeated in no time. I do not buy the idea of "let us be so afraid of ourselves turning bad that we will let others, who are bad beyond doubt, exterminate us." This is not just defeatist, It's also shameful. Yaron Brook should be ashamed to say, "That is the enemy." (1:35:08). He is alive only because countless people have sacrificed themselves.
+Kurtlane Risking your life for your values is not a sacrifice. You think people who are self-interested won't defend themselves? No, the soldiers weren't sacrificing themselves. The point of being a soldier is not to die. The point of being a soldier is to defeat the enemy. Yes, you risk death, but that is not the purpose. Why do you have to be a sacrificial animal to have a cohesive army? I have no idea how your last part relates to Yaron. You think Yaron advocates allowing yourself to be exterminated? You obviously don't know anything about him or Objectivism. As for him being alive, no. He is most likely alive because a few people in the world decided to be self-interested enough to form a country based on freedom, that his native country to emulate.
@@damonhage7451 It's one of those objectivist wraparounds. What's clear to a child becomes obscure and contradictory once a philosophy like that gets hold of it. In Objectivism, Sacrifice becomes not sacrifice; in Communism equality becomes inequality, etc. No, thanks, I'll stick to the old definitions without wraparounds.
+Kurtlane I guess I don't see it that way. I like the way Objectivism gives rational definitions to the terms people use. It seems you are objecting to Objectivism's ethics on linguistic grounds, not conceptual grounds. Why? Why would you make sacrifice mean "to lose something" when you already have a word that describes that, "loss". It is useful to have a concept that describes giving something up and getting something more valuable to you (trade) and another concept to describe giving something up and getting something less valuable to you (sacrifice). If you don't like the word sacrifice for that concept, just call it "gloop" or some other nonsense word. There problem solved. Christian ethics demands that you gloop and that is irrational. You should have an ethics that never requires you to gloop. Just remember when Objectivists say sacrifice, they mean gloop. It isn't a trick to try to confuse you. When they say sacrifice they mean "give up something for something of lesser value to you". No trick, no game, no hidden meaning. They consider that to be the appropriate definition of the word. The people who use sacrifice to mean both lesser value and higher value are the ones trying to obfuscate. As for your reference to communism, that isn't linguistic argument really like your problem with sacrifice. Communists say that "taking these actions leads to equality", meaning a system where everyone lives happily in a big society with no private property. Those actions don't lead to that. That is a factual issue, not a linguistic one. As for its truth, communism created alot of equality. Many people were equally dead.
you have kinetic war on your mind? the death of the West is mainly in the domain of ideas !! get war off your mind ...any large scale war fought by humanity at this moment in time will result in the extermination of MANKIND...so calm yourself there
@@pepegoeth6814 , about 16 years ago professor Bernard Lewis, top specialist on Islamic history, said that Western Europe is doomed to turn Muslim. Thus was the first time someone who was not an Islamic extremist said it. No one believed him then. And now? The death of Western Europe is not just "in the domain of ideas." It's in every raped child, in halal food being required, in muezzins screaming call to prayer at 5 am, in mass prayers in the streets closing all traffic, in "Wear hijab or be raped" leaflets, in non-Muslims being beaten for being non-Muslims, in murders and in terror attacks, and in European governments covering up all that. It's all around you. In this case it is not about WWIII. It is about European people defending their daughters from being turned into sex slaves. And other such things. It is not about one country attacking another. Everywhere it's a local thing. So it has nothing to do with exterminating humanity. There are civil wars going on now, and nobody is predicting end of humanity because of it. I hate wars, particularly civil wars. But I don't see a peaceful way out, other than complete surrender. As Koran says, "War is required of you, even though you hate it. But Allah knows What's best for you, and you do not."
As a general critique of panel presentations like this, the practice of taking 4, 5, 6 questions at once before answering is one I think should go the way of the dodo. For starters, as a listener to academic talks, it's more or less impossible to remember the totality of question 1 by the time 5 other people ask complicated or nuanced questions. For the panelists and the discussion generally, it seems to lead to an ankle-deep response to each question instead of a deep dive that is more easily facilitated by 1 q, 1 a, 1 q, etc. Just a thought.
Yeah, agree entirely. I didn't particularly enjoy listening to this. The question format didn't help and the discussions of any solutions was too abstract in my opinion.
Agreed, it's a format that's becoming mystifyingly popular and it's infuriating. It seems to be a way of politely ignoring crackpot questions but it comes at too great a cost to coherency and comprehension.
+Justin Barnard +trakrekkid The multiple question taking tactic was something developed to great effect by the Blair Government in the UK. It allowed whoever was being questioned to avoid all of the questions they didn't like, while then creating their own question to answer under the pretext that you have cleverly summarized them all, or that only the friendlier questions mattered. It works brilliantly for politicians but atrociously for those wanting an honest dialogue.
I always wondered if this was some arkane Robert's Rules thing the Brits were accustomed to since I'd never witnessed it until I started watching UK panels. I tried to find some value in it, but there seems to be nothing good except curtailing the chance for the questioner to respond to the answer, but I've even seen a moderator allow this amidst the jumble. Ask a question. Get an answer. Move on.
Wow. I was almost ready to kinda write this panel off until Murray said, "I don't think you can write off Christianity. Even though I'm not currently practicing Catholicism, my parents did, and still are. Christianity was the basis of my upbringing--our moral compass. I'm not telling anyone what to do or what to believe. I'm sharing my experience. If Europe REALLY needed more people then their government (Europe's) should've made MASSIVE concessions/tax breaks for EUROPEANS! My God.
The problem is Yaron was not only saying what people should believe. He was talking about replacing the law system with one based on the Holy books of Ayn Rand, our laws are a set of moral rules and values. When people talk of changing morals they talk of law change. When they speak of educating they speak of endoctrinating.
Catholicism and Christianity are not the same... Although, Hollywood always portrays them as the same... Catholicism actually was at war with Christianity in Europe Centuries ago.
Thanks to the Ayn Rand Institute for the discussion and subsequent posting thereof. To witness Douglas and Yaron address the Western state of affairs was an enjoyable experience. My only criticism would be the moderator's excessive inclusivity with the audience. Such a discussion between respectful, intelligent individuals such as the two speakers needn't such restriction when time is already serving as boundaries. I look forward to future conversations from ARI, Yaron and Douglas. Thank you again for the upload.
"Western Civilisation is a set of ideas" A set of ideas, emanating from the minds of European people The *Jared Diamond, Magic-Soil theory* of European Civilization has been totally de-bunked.
Thank you. This was the vital part that was missing in this discussion and continues to be left out in these types of conversations almost entirely. This is why people who speak this truth are hated, mocked, attacked, and not invited to speak. People fear the truth
No offense, but I looked up this quote attributed by you to Aristotle....and found that appears to be a fake. Shame, since I was looking forward to using it. Cheers.
A general definition of civilization: a civilized society is exhibiting the five qualities of truth, beauty, adventure, art, peace. Alfred North Whitehead
I would respond to this comment, but instead I think I'll gather about seven more different comments together and then try to respond to them all at the same time.
Moral individualism ?! How exactly would that work Yaron ? Additionally, there is already a "moral" code that teaches that. It's the axiom of "Do what though wilt" and we all know what that belief system is called
The older I get the less cultural diversity I need. I embrace the familiar and if I want to stay in Kent and only see Kent this does not make me a xenophobe. It makes me someone unimpressed with some cultures and the disharmony they bring.
I'll just push this comment. Good to hear. My 2 cents, un-PC. Islam is not a friend of Western civilisation nor values. We can't be force fed with medieval bollocks and alien proto-culture. Multi-culture is the lie of the century. It equals conflict and in the long run, believe it or not, segregation. The older one gets the less they want to look out for trouble at the neighbourhood, workplace etc.
Murray was very good on "meaning", and politics as a means to the end of allowing people to seek their own meaning in life; not as a meaning in itself.
it's Murray's "foreign policy" that destabilised the middle east and created the refugee crisis, but he never talks about it I think he's weasel rat, just like Yaron
Historically, people found meaning in their family. Modern feminism has ensured that the natural relations between men and women have been poisoned with mistrust, competitiveness and devaluation of motherhood. On top of that, the secure sense of communal purpose and trust has broken down because of bad immigration policies and lack of integration.
I can’t believe Yaron Brook. Since the 60’s when I was “agnostic”, I have seen Christian influence systematically dismantled, such that little remains. Yet he still blames “religion” for our desperate condition today. When you take a wrong turn in life, the smart thing to do is to either turn back or at least change direction. But Yaron instead insists that we press on regardless of the extreme danger signs. Thankfully, atheist Douglas Murray brought the voice of reason to the discussion.
>Yet he still blames “religion” for our desperate condition today. Leftism is religion applied to society. Leftists are explicit about that. Its equality before God brought bloodily down to Earth. And Christianity is radically increasing cultural and political influence. Leftism is becoming so intellectually impotent that even uneducated conservatives can identify its absurdities.
I think one of the issues we (western civilization) run into is that we never stop tinkering. We're constantly tinkering and making things "better", but I think when we've reached a pretty darn good point in society..we are like mice..we just keep going and never really reflect on what we've accomplished and say ..hey..let's slow down a little bit and enjoy where we are at. It leads us to I think forget what our core values are and we don't defend them because instead of looking out over the trees..our head is buried down looking at the ground.
What’s killing society is fear. What stifles creativity, what gives rise to dictators, compels people to attack their enemies, what makes it so hard to communicate?
24:15 "Everywhere at the moment, you hear people saying things like, ' we've got to radically change things in order to have more of this because it is so unfair at the moment for X group...'....and nobody ever asks these demagogues 'compared to what?' " "Compared to what?", also a classic response from Thomas Sowell. Not very easy to answer.
Not very easy to answer compared to what? Bad Dum Tish. You reminded me of Sowell's old joke about the economist who runs into his old friend after years.
Atrocious question format. The audience were more interesting than the panel to be honest. The chair annoyed me with her abruptness. I can usually listen to Murray for hours.......
The moderator was utter rubbish: agitated and rough as guts. And I really didn’t want to hear her opinions. She wasted valuable time with unnecessary interjections and asides.
What is killing Western society is: 1. the wars we needlessly fought on behalf of politicians for their own political aims that slaughtered our people by the millions. 2. The use of human trafficking, because that's what immigration policy really is, to make up for the murderous escapades that same political class indulged in. 3. The importation of foreigners to provide those same politicians with the material they need for the divide and rule principle they govern by. 4. The inability to recognise that 2 & 3 are really just empire in reverse. Proving that political and business interests are have no real allegiance to anything but their interests. 4. The rise of corporations that have no allegiance to the societies they serve. They will promote any measure that boosts short term profit and then uses that profit to make governing elites malleable and sensitive to their concerns rather than the society they were created to serve. Its up to people in the west to say no to the governing/business class. They are here to serve us. They may be wise and their advice worth listening to but that's as far as their influence should ever be allowed to go. In Western Europe it reached a point where it needs to be sterner than a "no". I would send most of the politicians to serve life terms for what they are trying to bring about. Democrats they most certainly are not and we just can't afford them any longer.
The War in Afghanistan that The USSR waged was a big issue in the collapse of the USSR. The USA's war in Afghanistan and Iraq is playing a huge role in the role The USA has been playing since WW2.
The only people who talk absolute nonsense are those like yourself who brand everything they don't agree with "Alt-right" because it saves having to look themselves in the mirror and thinking,
"The direct use of physical force is so poor a solution to the problem of limited resources that it is commonly employed only by small children and great nations. (p.4) " - Machinery of Freedom, David D. Friedman
it's Murray's "foreign policy" that destabilised the middle east and created the refugee crisis, but he never talks about it I think he's weasel rat, just like Yaron
“Where there is no vision [no revelation of God and His word], the people are unrestrained; But happy and blessed is he who keeps the law [of God].” PROVERBS 29:17
We appear weak, is to me the most important point of this panel. By arriving in a culture that looks weak and in search of meaning, any outsider would feel comfortable not adopting local customs. If there is no strong identity in this new place, the immigrant will always naturally go back to its own cultural identity.
Lots to criticize here that shouldn’t even be an issue: 1) the audio is abysmal. Hire a real sound engineer. 2) the worst moderator I’ve ever seen. Convoluted, rambling and incoherent. 3) the format is horrible. Aside from the ongoing microphone failure-allowing more then a single question-let alone five or more defeats the entire purpose of q & a. This’s discussion 101! Ayn Rand would surely not approve. DM deserves better.
It's the internet. People can't afford sound engineers. They can't afford a lot of things. Just live with it. Or go listen to some other video. My only peeve is the people who in an effort to achieve a soft tone do not have a high enough volume. My laptop is not very loud and I do not want to use external speakers. If you make it too loud, the listener can always turn down the volume. But you can only turn it up so much with normal equipment. People who complain about robot voices bother me too. At least I can understand what they are saying, which is more than you can say for some people. I can adapt to and in my mind correct the robot reader mispronounciations. Maybe some people can't do that. If someone doesn't like the robot voice, well, find another video.
Great point raised on Umbrella movement in Hong Kong @ 54:50. I was in HK recently, read into their history and thought, why should we not help this democratic country keep it's way of life that it wants to keep, in the face of the oncoming takeover from mainland communist China
A quite strange comment regarding democracy as Britain never encouraged democracy in any meaningful way in Hong Kong until it was handed back to the Chinese.
Is the Ayn Rand Institute so destitute that it can't afford a professional videographer? Ayn Rand's old audio recordings of speeches and radio broadcasts, and television interviews are of better quality than this.
Late to the party, but immigrants used to come to the US EXPECTING to be assimilated. They wanted to be Americans, yet kept their individual cultures as a "secondary"and identity. I don't know when it changed, but the "modern" immigrants come in and refuse to assimilate: they insist we change our culture to meet theirs. That is huge.
When Douglas Murray was talking how postmodernists just drop art and religion because something went wrong and that "what? we shouldn't have to do anything with religion?" something interesting happened. He also said that that is also part of why they are pushing to tear groups apart. That they want to prevent organizing along communal grounds. I think Yaron got somewhat restless and , I think, he may have had a bit of an Realization. Something turned in his head. This section of the conversation is very important, especially for libertarians! Many times they make the point that man should find through reason what values and ideas would make them truly happy in reality. That because man himself is the meaning. But one thing, very interestingly, is that they rarely ever try to make a point what these ideas and values might objectively be exactly. It's usually something vague about capitalism and individualism, the point of which is to find the above mentioned values and ideas. It all seems rather lacking. Certainly something to think about. I am more and more impressed by Douglas Murray as a thinker. P.S. Scratch that, Yaron just doubled down and ploughed on with the same as always.
This format sucks. I can't remember the first few questions by the time it comes to them being answered. You can't keep the focus of what can be an excellent question. Rotten.
I was on the fence about Yaron Brook before watching this, but man was he all over the place, contradicting himself constantly in this talk. I am done with him, sadly, because some of what he says has some value.
it could be your equipment . I can get absolutely clear sound at volume more than I need. I have basic computer with just a little pair of speakers plugged in.
Yaron Brook is wrong. Trump always says that it was the inaction or incompetence of American leaders of the past 30 years that resulted in our trade imbalance.
Well as to Yaron who thinks Christianity is an enemy of society, and the fact that Douglas has been such a breath of life to so many of us [and even though he may define himself as an athiest/agnostic], as far as I look for the prophetic, I do beleive that Douglas is put where he is -and people find his books, because of God's planning. And I love the fact that Douglas said what I knew he thought, that he does not agree on Yaron's take on Christianity.
Yaron Brook's account of the causal factors that have given Western culture its unique characteristics is bizarre in the extreme. Note that in his ahistorical narrative it is only Greek thought, rediscovered during the Italian Renaissance, and further developed by the Enlightenment seem to count - which Douglas Murray ironically notes. Anybody who has bothered to do the background reading would know that it is Christianity that underpins the distinctive character of Western culture (but not as manifested in its latest phase of nihilism and relativism). The Christian worldview gave us modern science, parliamentary democracy, the sovereignty of the individual, human dignity, our ethics, educational establishments, hospitals and the importance of compassion, sense of belonging, the great tradition of the arts as developed in the Western world, our civic sense of duty and fair play, etc. Even the projective geometry that was used by Renaissance artists, although first developed and used in Ancient Greece, was motivated not by some humanistic, scientific desire but to represent sacred, biblical events so that the congregation would experience them as eyewitnesses. I think Yaron Brook has grounds for litigation. Whatever school or university he attended, he was clearly shortchanged in his understanding of Western culture.
CaptainJayOT, what is very engineered? I’m unclear on exactly what you mean. Do you mean there’s been much engineering to prevent us knowing who we are?
+OhMaDayzz Context is important. He probably has not thought much about the issue. FGM is practiced solely to prevent the pleasure of sexual activity, which on the face of it is immoral. As to circumcision, there is mixed research about it, and there is even some debate as to whether there is an impact on pleasure or not from it. That is relevant context. If a baby is born with a rotting arm, you don't call that baby arm mutilation because the doctors took it off. You have a gut biome. If the doctors kill off some bad bacteria with drugs, that is a physical act. That doesn't mean they are involved in baby stomach mutilation. The fact that a procedure was done does not by itself delegitimize the act from a rights perspective, and rights apply in a context.
FGM describes a wide range of practices, with many (or possibly most) of these practices being less invasive and damaging than male circumcision. Not all forms of FGM prevent sexual pleasure either. I would advise you to read this by an expert on the subject, and here he's writing about the prosecution of a Bohra physician for performing a procedure on a girl: blog.practicalethics.ox.ac.uk/2017/08/does-female-genital-mutilation-have-health-benefits-the-problem-with-medicalizing-morality/
Damon Hage The foreskin has more nerve endings than any other part of the penis combined. Its an ancient Jewish blood ritual done SPECIFICALLY to prevent sexual pleasure.
Damon Hage yes but I think you missed the point that was being made, if the circumcising was done for a purely medical reason you would be right, however the vast number of people who are do this are doing so only for religious reasons, that’s why it’s genital mutilation. Medical there are never rare cases where getting circumcised is required, none of which occur pre-puberty.
"however the vast number of people who are do this are doing so only for religious reasons" I don't believe that's true in the US, it may be in Europe.
Wonderful event, but the audio levels were execrable. The moderator was too damn loud, and Mr. Murray was almost inaudible. Hire a professional audio engineer to watch your mixer if you want this to be recorded for posterity.
The problem with fgm is the parents send the girls back “home” for a holiday and they come back having been cut. The parents then express ignorance and horror. This makes it almost impossible to prosecute. The family courts frequently make orders banning girls from certain countries being taken out of the jurisdiction. If it’s done here it should most certainly be prosecuted.
Audio is much too quiet I can't get enough to pick up much of what is being said. Is it too much to increase the gain on the recorder to get a decent level?
So, I stumbled upon an irony, Im most likely the last to the party on this, but, it seems to me that all of this uproar about racism(by men), sexism(by men), misogyny(obvs), discrimination(by men), The Patriarchy(evil men) is being voiced the most loudly by women. These women are the mothers of all these men, and it seems to me that, to the degree that; weak, abusive, selfish, irresponsible, cruel and hatefilled men exist, that might be laid at the feet of the women who raised them...? Maybe growing up watching mothers squeeze every penny out of their fathers or their govt, while watching an endless line of men flow thru the revolving door of their mothers bedrooms has made these lads lose a tad bit of respect for motherhood and women in general. Maybe these women should have the guts to take responsibility for any decline in men acting honourably. Be it their own actions or the actions of other women that they didnt speak out against....of course women dont take responsibility, they can only be victims.....
It’s funny the way these 3 look at the working class. For instance, Tommy Robinson says the same things that Douglas says. Just not as eloquently. But, the middle nd upper class sneer at Tommy. They can’t bring themselves to be even civil to Tommy. Donald Trump May be a rich man, but he’s still a working class kind of man and these people sneer at him as well. I try to appreciate anyone who has the guts to stand up against evil. Maybe Europe should do the same.
I totally agree with Douglas Murray that the West, that being specially the culture that has arisen in the European countries (& the US & Canada) rooted in Greek thought and with a belief in Christianity is in peril of being lost by an inordinate influx of people from a belief in Islamic and religions other than Christianity. And only a fool or a delusional person would say otherwise. Just the fact that debates such as this are happening all over is testament to the statement above!
What he says around 40:00 sounds great. Being born in the "east" I am very saddened by how westerners, having experienced the privileges afforded to them, condemn the countries which have given them those privileges and instead praise the countries or ideologies which have resulted more NET suffering around the world. I am referring to 'socialism, vs capitalism' for example, and so on.
Douglas Murray is amazing to listen to. He goes so deep. He's like a surgeon with his speech. Oh, I do love a Douglass Murray talk.
I think the discussion got more interesting when the audience chimed in with their questions, before that it was just vacuousness.
Since Christopher Hitchens, he's the best.
K. DeBoer Such a great description of Douglas Murray.
It sort of sounds like instead of going so deep, he's going to sleep
@@HerneHunter Love It!
The best thing ever spoken was....." If a dog was born in a stable, it would never make it a horse".
"just because a cat has kittens in the oven, doesn't make them biscuits"--old southern saying
Paraphrased here said by The Iron Duke (the Duke of Wellington), referencing the fact that he was born in Ireland.
@@GrowLLLTigeRRR He was baptised in St Michaels church Dublin. I have forgotten the Irish name for Michael. Something like Michan. I am English but have been inside this church and very interesting it was too. I have touched the font in which he was baptised. Also in there are relatives of Nelson's fancy woman. They're in coffins covered in dark red covers. The grave yard is full of Oscar Wiled's family. In the entrance to the church a an very old keyboard. Handel first played his water music in that church and also on that very keyboard. Unfortunately, the church was vandalised a few years ago. Probably by Catholics as that church was a protestant church.
@@richardsevern2973 The Duke is a distant relative. His grandfather dropped the surname I would have shared with him for the name Wesley in order to inherit property from a heir-less man of that name.
@@GrowLLLTigeRRR Have you been to that church?
Melding is not Diversity ! The World is Diverse and requires Sovereign Borders to remain Diverse !
That's too deep for leftists
Respect diversity. Remain diverse.
well, whites had better get organized. They are being swallowed up by the Empires of the people of grifting
Wrong.
@@HulseyTV < --- found the j6wtalian
Douglas Murray is the most skilled and thoughtful political commentator since Christopher Hitchens. 👏 A pleasure to listen to and reflect on.
it's Murray's "foreign policy" that destabilised the middle east and created the refugee crisis, but he never talks about it
I think he's weasel rat, just like Yaron
"What is killing Western Civilization?", easy answer... islam and the Far Political Left... there it is, simple clear and exact... why are you talking so much about a very simple answer....
Douglas Murray is the smartest man in the Room.
Islam & Christian is like oil and water it won't ever mix
@C. Michael don't think that comment is legal. Great though. .
Hardly Murray sounds/looks but isn't very intelligent not really.he is no scientist.
It's actually mass migration. But secondly yes, it is Islam. We can deal with Islam if we stop mass migration. Britain should remain at least 95% indigenous. Other countries like Turkey, India, Pakistan, Congo... They get to have their own people run their own country without being called racist for wanting it that way. That should be a blood right, not to be squeezed out of your largest cities by progressive agendas
What is killing western civilization, you ask? If the word "joos" isn't mentioned, you've lost the plot....
Yaron Brook, "Let's teach the positive."
No. Let's teach the truth. The whole truth. The positive and the negative.
+Kurtlane
You are misunderstanding his point. He is saying there are many ways to be wrong, and there is only one way to be right. If I say "communism is bad", that doesn't tell you what is right. Is fascism right? Is the mixed economy right? Is capitalism right? You can't tell. If I say, capitalism is right, then there is no confusion.
An easy analogy is I can say an electron doesn't way 1kg. I can also say an electron doesn't weigh 10 kg. That doesn't tell you what it actually weighs, which is what is important. You are conflating ethics and epistemology. Yaron is talking about epistemology. You are talking about ethics.
@@damonhage7451 , sorry, your post is over my head. I don't understand epistemogy, and as far as I know, I wasn't talking just ethics.
My teacher used to mention a woman who had recently given birth and was nursing her baby. She said, "I am a Madonna. And a cow." This was an example of the full truth. Not just Madonna, not just cow, but both.
Same here.
But if he means, "We need to teach ALSO the positive," then I agree.
+Kurtlane
No worries. Epistemology is just the term philosophers use to mean the branch of philosophies that study knowledge. You can mean positive in two ways. You can be positive as in "good for you, a value" when you are talking about ethics. If your country is overrun with crime, that is not positive. That is a value judgement for you. The other meaning is a "positive claim". Basically meaning "I assert that such and such is true", which you can see comes under epistemology because you are making a knowledge claim. When Yaron was talking about tell the positive, I believe he meant this second type. It is similar to saying it doesn't do you any good to have a political party that is "against the dems". You also have to stand for something. In other words, you have to assert something is true, make a positive claim.
I'm not sure what you mean by your analogy though. haha
@@damonhage7451 , thanks, it's getting clearer, but I am still confused. Let's say one teaches about both the beauty of Spanish 16th century art and the brutality of Spanish 16th century colonialism. Both are educational, they are about giving knowledge to students, so this should be epistemology. At the same time, my value judgement is that it is good to teach both. So this is ethics too. Philosophy is so confusing.
They aren't opposites. You don't teach one or the other. For example, there should be moral teaching. You in some sense could call that both an epistemological and an ethical crossover. They come up at different tiers. Metaphysics is the study of what is existence/reality. Epistemology is how do know or acquire knowledge. Those two are the basic branches of any philosophy. From these two branches you derive ethics. For example, if your metaphysical position is "nothing exists", then ethics doesn't makes sense. You can't do anything because nothing exists. If your metaphysical position is reality exists, but we know it through faith/God, then you will have an ethics that say what you should do is whatever he commanded. So they aren't opposites. Ethics is derived from metaphysics and epistemology. And the concepts of purpose/values/reasons to do or not do something don't come up until ethics.
I love this Murray chap. Bravo Great Britain. God save the bloody
Queen!
God save the Brits from themselves.
Thomas Simmons Fuck the Queen
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Bloody Douglas, he thinks and acts gorgeously. Cheers from Mexico.
That's the problem. Brits don't believe in God anymore.
Yaron Brook was simply brilliant. Explained Western Civilization beautifully.
"What is identity politics but a kind of religion?"
My thoughts exactly.
It's just another form of collectivism
It's not paranoia if they really are out to get you
@J OneLife They weren't. Stealing a patent, idea, or recipe doesn't make it your invention. The street lights you see all over the world were not invented by Whites. The lightbulb and cellphone you use, not invented by Whites. The Elevator, Ironing Board, Lawnmower, the Comb, Shoelaces, and potato chips you eat all were not invented by Whites, The first heart transplant was neither invented nor performed by Whites. Being in control is not ownership. Necessity is the mother of invention, people who live off of other peoples labor don't need to invent, they consume. I'm not saying that Whites didn't invent anything, but for you to say "almost all" is literally stretching the truth as far as it can go. Don't take my word for it, all of this is easily validated through just a bit of honest research.
@J OneLife Writing, paper, glass, mathematics, the calendar, pottery, medecine, surgery with metal implements, ALL AFRIKAN, I could go on , but suffice to say that I don't join in your tit-for-tat as competition, but to dispel your white supremacist NONSENSE, you have been LIED TO, so in that knowledge. I cannot deem you COMPLETELY at fault, you're just gullible and narcissistic!
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@J OneLife "The past 700 years we made most inventions"........WHAT ABSOLUTE NONSENSE!
Europe was a poor backward DEAD END, until the renaissance! Look what AFRIKANS WERE DOING 9000 YEARS AGO!
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The Egyptians counted in binary 5000 years ago, it was only recovered in the West in the 20th Cent.
There is NOTHING NEW under the sun.
James T - we are talking about facts & reality here, not Wakanda
@@jamestcatcato7132 lol the lied to calling others lied to. Truth is white people are the last skin tone to emerge. So for thousands of years you could have advanced and expounded on ideas. But instead warred enslaved pillaged ransacked. We white people learned all that stuff from you guys who were doing it a long time. You learned how to build civilizations from us. But do it wrong.
What absolute titans both these men are.
One is the inheritor of objectivism, the other a man so poetic and articulate he made me weep when he was interviewed about the strange death of europe.
What an incredible debate.
Douglas Murray is absolutely brilliant. Everyone should watch his commentary on the danger of collapse in the West.
what's so bad about west being collapse...i guarantee many people would be much more happy
@@cillajendar4378 do you realise how lucky you are for the freedoms you have by living in the democratic west. What do you hope will follow if it does collapse. Islam? Communism? What? The grass is not always greener.
@@thruppenybit And the grass certainly isn't greener in the West!! I don't know why think it's only the West is democratic has freedom...I can assure you that there are places outside of the West that more democratic and more free than the West.
@@AlexJae30 name these countries .
Yes Alex, I believe Wakanda is such a utopia.
When a nation declines it's own religion, it leaves a vacuum for another religion to take over .
@deathstar islam is taking over slowly...
@@ZyroAniCapped Paranoid bollocks mate.
This is worth watching for the excellent Douglas Murray, I found myself disagreeing with Yaron Brook, for the most part.
Yeah. Douglas is relatively sensible. Yaron comes across as extremely arrogant. Also, making life all about oneself and finding meaning in oneself can be a recipe for serious narcissism.
That’s because Douglas holds safe, conventional beliefs, while Yaron is a principled radical.
I can't stand either, it's Murray's "foreign policy" that destabilised the middle east and created the refugee crisis, but he never talks about it
I think he's weasel rat, just like Yaron
☘️ I haven't started watching this yet but I already know Douglas Murray is one fantastic academic & one that we ignore at our peril. ☘️
WORLD CITIZEN BE DAMNED, ENGLISH AND PROUD OF IT !
BLOOD & SOIL !!!!
oh how we have fallen.
@@albertrogers4130 Odd to see that you picked the greatest political disaster in British history for you avatar buddy. If you wanted Britain not to fall then you probably shouldn't be a fan of Churchill.
@@wireshrub Red pills? Nah mate. Black pills. We're fucked already.
@Laurie You have disrespected the most chad of all Anglos. Besides the only guys who are more based than Churchill is Enoch Powell and Sir Oswald Mosley if I had the profile picture of both of them, I would get banned from jewtube anyways.
Im Irish and proud of it. The English ruling class have done a lot of bad things in Ireland. But not to me, and my generation is far better off because of the English experience, as has practically every country that England has colonised. England got a lot of things right and should not yield their sovereignty to a bunch of Eurocrats.
This woman makes no sense at all. She just rambles and says indefinite things and then asks , “what do you gentleman think? “
She's a nicotine addict.
@@BhutanBluePoppy so was I but didn't wear make up or try to pretend I was sober.
Thank you for saying so. I thought it was just me who couldn't decipher her seemingly random words. I want her to do well and perhaps reading your note will give her feedback.
She is a woman.
Now she's in the House of Lords!
One of the best debates I’ve ever seen. Brilliant points and no bollocks.
There are so many points to disagree with Mr. Yaron Brook!
Douglas Murray, on the other hand, is a pleasure to hear
"..you cannot take Christianity out of the West and have anything that's recognizably the West." Well said, Douglas.
Did they remove Judaism? Hillel, Golden Rule, secret charitable giving, entertaining strangers, the ultimately devotional nature of all our rituals and daily actions? All that is from Judaism.
If he had lived some centuries ago, the inquisition would have killed him for being gay and they based their actions on christianity too
@@averayugen7802 That's why we refer to our western civilization as "Judeo-Christian"...
I am scared of the reemergence of Western identity. But I am also hopeful about it. Because without it, without willingness to sacrifice oneself to defend one's children, parents, siblings, town, city, country, we are doomed. Without that we will all soon be dhimmis in Islamic caliphate.
The soldiers who fought against Nazis 70+ years ago -- weren't they sacrificing themselves? The Finnish soldiers and civilians who fought against Soviet troops in the Winter war -- weren't they sacrificing themselves for their country? Israeli soldiers today are doing the same.
And every army needs unity and togetherness. Without that it will be defeated in no time.
I do not buy the idea of "let us be so afraid of ourselves turning bad that we will let others, who are bad beyond doubt, exterminate us." This is not just defeatist, It's also shameful. Yaron Brook should be ashamed to say, "That is the enemy." (1:35:08). He is alive only because countless people have sacrificed themselves.
+Kurtlane
Risking your life for your values is not a sacrifice. You think people who are self-interested won't defend themselves?
No, the soldiers weren't sacrificing themselves. The point of being a soldier is not to die. The point of being a soldier is to defeat the enemy. Yes, you risk death, but that is not the purpose.
Why do you have to be a sacrificial animal to have a cohesive army?
I have no idea how your last part relates to Yaron. You think Yaron advocates allowing yourself to be exterminated? You obviously don't know anything about him or Objectivism. As for him being alive, no. He is most likely alive because a few people in the world decided to be self-interested enough to form a country based on freedom, that his native country to emulate.
@@damonhage7451 It's one of those objectivist wraparounds. What's clear to a child becomes obscure and contradictory once a philosophy like that gets hold of it. In Objectivism, Sacrifice becomes not sacrifice; in Communism equality becomes inequality, etc.
No, thanks, I'll stick to the old definitions without wraparounds.
+Kurtlane
I guess I don't see it that way. I like the way Objectivism gives rational definitions to the terms people use.
It seems you are objecting to Objectivism's ethics on linguistic grounds, not conceptual grounds. Why? Why would you make sacrifice mean "to lose something" when you already have a word that describes that, "loss". It is useful to have a concept that describes giving something up and getting something more valuable to you (trade) and another concept to describe giving something up and getting something less valuable to you (sacrifice). If you don't like the word sacrifice for that concept, just call it "gloop" or some other nonsense word. There problem solved. Christian ethics demands that you gloop and that is irrational. You should have an ethics that never requires you to gloop. Just remember when Objectivists say sacrifice, they mean gloop. It isn't a trick to try to confuse you. When they say sacrifice they mean "give up something for something of lesser value to you". No trick, no game, no hidden meaning. They consider that to be the appropriate definition of the word. The people who use sacrifice to mean both lesser value and higher value are the ones trying to obfuscate.
As for your reference to communism, that isn't linguistic argument really like your problem with sacrifice. Communists say that "taking these actions leads to equality", meaning a system where everyone lives happily in a big society with no private property. Those actions don't lead to that. That is a factual issue, not a linguistic one. As for its truth, communism created alot of equality. Many people were equally dead.
you have kinetic war on your mind? the death of the West is mainly in the domain of ideas !! get war off your mind ...any large scale war fought by humanity at this moment in time will result in the extermination of MANKIND...so calm yourself there
@@pepegoeth6814 , about 16 years ago professor Bernard Lewis, top specialist on Islamic history, said that Western Europe is doomed to turn Muslim. Thus was the first time someone who was not an Islamic extremist said it. No one believed him then. And now?
The death of Western Europe is not just "in the domain of ideas." It's in every raped child, in halal food being required, in muezzins screaming call to prayer at 5 am, in mass prayers in the streets closing all traffic, in "Wear hijab or be raped" leaflets, in non-Muslims being beaten for being non-Muslims, in murders and in terror attacks, and in European governments covering up all that. It's all around you.
In this case it is not about WWIII. It is about European people defending their daughters from being turned into sex slaves. And other such things. It is not about one country attacking another. Everywhere it's a local thing. So it has nothing to do with exterminating humanity. There are civil wars going on now, and nobody is predicting end of humanity because of it.
I hate wars, particularly civil wars. But I don't see a peaceful way out, other than complete surrender. As Koran says, "War is required of you, even though you hate it. But Allah knows What's best for you, and you do not."
As a general critique of panel presentations like this, the practice of taking 4, 5, 6 questions at once before answering is one I think should go the way of the dodo. For starters, as a listener to academic talks, it's more or less impossible to remember the totality of question 1 by the time 5 other people ask complicated or nuanced questions. For the panelists and the discussion generally, it seems to lead to an ankle-deep response to each question instead of a deep dive that is more easily facilitated by 1 q, 1 a, 1 q, etc. Just a thought.
Yeah, agree entirely. I didn't particularly enjoy listening to this. The question format didn't help and the discussions of any solutions was too abstract in my opinion.
Agreed, it's a format that's becoming mystifyingly popular and it's infuriating. It seems to be a way of politely ignoring crackpot questions but it comes at too great a cost to coherency and comprehension.
+Justin Barnard +trakrekkid The multiple question taking tactic was something developed to great effect by the Blair Government in the UK. It allowed whoever was being questioned to avoid all of the questions they didn't like, while then creating their own question to answer under the pretext that you have cleverly summarized them all, or that only the friendlier questions mattered. It works brilliantly for politicians but atrociously for those wanting an honest dialogue.
I always wondered if this was some arkane Robert's Rules thing the Brits were accustomed to since I'd never witnessed it until I started watching UK panels. I tried to find some value in it, but there seems to be nothing good except curtailing the chance for the questioner to respond to the answer, but I've even seen a moderator allow this amidst the jumble.
Ask a question. Get an answer. Move on.
"we will take questions in bunches" are the most annoying 6 words after a talk ever !
Every one needs to read, the war on the west. By Douglas Murray. Very eye opening and thought provoking.
Why must everything posted by the Ayn Rand Institute require the sound maximized to hear ANYTHING AT ALL!??!
cuz they dont know how to present content properly. they too busy lamenting about how ugly and cwass trump is.
If you are familiar with their philosophy, they don't owe you anything and that includes decent sound.
@@scarfhs1 youre an idiot. its not about owing, its about competence.
Lmaoo right. And I have to turn it down when an ad comes on.
Wow. I was almost ready to kinda write this panel off until Murray said, "I don't think you can write off Christianity.
Even though I'm not currently practicing Catholicism, my parents did, and still are. Christianity was the basis of my upbringing--our moral compass.
I'm not telling anyone what to do or what to believe. I'm sharing my experience.
If Europe REALLY needed more people then their government (Europe's) should've made MASSIVE concessions/tax breaks for EUROPEANS! My God.
The problem is Yaron was not only saying what people should believe. He was talking about replacing the law system with one based on the Holy books of Ayn Rand, our laws are a set of moral rules and values. When people talk of changing morals they talk of law change. When they speak of educating they speak of endoctrinating.
Catholicism and Christianity are not the same... Although, Hollywood always portrays them as the same...
Catholicism actually was at war with Christianity in Europe Centuries ago.
Thanks to the Ayn Rand Institute for the discussion and subsequent posting thereof. To witness Douglas and Yaron address the Western state of affairs was an enjoyable experience. My only criticism would be the moderator's excessive inclusivity with the audience. Such a discussion between respectful, intelligent individuals such as the two speakers needn't such restriction when time is already serving as boundaries.
I look forward to future conversations from ARI, Yaron and Douglas. Thank you again for the upload.
Christopher Atkinson You sir sound like a partier.. My rational self interest is to gt to know u better
I thought that bunch was behind all this. AYN RAND are u kidding?
@@averayugen7802 What's wrong with that.
“America is just an idea and it needs more immigration.” - Yaron Brooke
Marl Karx just up marl
"Western Civilisation is a set of ideas"
A set of ideas, emanating from the minds of European people
The *Jared Diamond, Magic-Soil theory* of European Civilization has been totally de-bunked.
I heard a lot of rave reviews about Jared Diamond from people. I found his books exhausting and unimaginative.
Thank you 🙋👍
Thank you. This was the vital part that was missing in this discussion and continues to be left out in these types of conversations almost entirely. This is why people who speak this truth are hated, mocked, attacked, and not invited to speak. People fear the truth
FA People like you make others think western civilization is not worth saving.
You all know what’s killing our civilisation, or rather “whom.” I told you, and you know it in your heart of hearts.
trump 911 case closed
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“Apathy and Tolerance, the final signs of a dying society” - Aristotle
No offense, but I looked up this quote attributed by you to Aristotle....and found that appears to be a fake. Shame, since I was looking forward to using it. Cheers.
It is not tolerance. It is a weakness.
@@nonnobissolum definitely not Aristotle using "apathy" or "weakness"
Ridiculous to have such a discussion and not have a Christian on the panel
A general definition of civilization: a civilized society is exhibiting the five qualities of truth, beauty, adventure, art, peace. Alfred North Whitehead
I really dislike the question format.
I would respond to this comment, but instead I think I'll gather about seven more different comments together and then try to respond to them all at the same time.
One of the comments below says that Tony Blair popularized this format. So it's all Blair's fault.
@@doctorx0079 everything is B.Liars fault.
Q:"What is killing Western Civilization?"
A: Progressive Education and TV and Fake News.
RageAgainstRustyCage islam
Moral individualism ?! How exactly would that work Yaron ? Additionally, there is already a "moral" code that teaches that. It's the axiom of "Do what though wilt" and we all know what that belief system is called
The World is lacking in morals.
Yes ma'am
Fences not only keep our children safe within, but the wolves safely out...
Agree and when you lose that everything else starts to fall!
It’s called communism
The older I get the less cultural diversity I need. I embrace the familiar and if I want to stay in Kent and only see Kent this does not make me a xenophobe. It makes me someone unimpressed with some cultures and the disharmony they bring.
I'll just push this comment. Good to hear. My 2 cents, un-PC. Islam is not a friend of Western civilisation nor values. We can't be force fed with medieval bollocks and alien proto-culture. Multi-culture is the lie of the century. It equals conflict and in the long run, believe it or not, segregation. The older one gets the less they want to look out for trouble at the neighbourhood, workplace etc.
Murray was very good on "meaning", and politics as a means to the end of allowing people to seek their own meaning in life; not as a meaning in itself.
watching douglas make yaron chuckle uncontrollably is awesome i want more
Doug is one of my favorite humans.
🤣🤣🤣
He's one of the living humans with whom I most want to have a bourbon.
It is always a pleasure to hear Douglas Murray.
it's Murray's "foreign policy" that destabilised the middle east and created the refugee crisis, but he never talks about it
I think he's weasel rat, just like Yaron
In a sea of medicore garbage on UA-cam, this is pure gold! THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!
my asss, bull crap , gby yardin, anti freedom , dumb asss
Great talk. I hadn't seen debates take a series of questions at once before, but it actually worked quite well.
Historically, people found meaning in their family. Modern feminism has ensured that the natural relations between men and women have been poisoned with mistrust, competitiveness and devaluation of motherhood. On top of that, the secure sense of communal purpose and trust has broken down because of bad immigration policies and lack of integration.
I can’t believe Yaron Brook. Since the 60’s when I was “agnostic”, I have seen Christian influence systematically dismantled, such that little remains. Yet he still blames “religion” for our desperate condition today. When you take a wrong turn in life, the smart thing to do is to either turn back or at least change direction. But Yaron instead insists that we press on regardless of the extreme danger signs. Thankfully, atheist Douglas Murray brought the voice of reason to the discussion.
>Yet he still blames “religion” for our desperate condition today.
Leftism is religion applied to society. Leftists are explicit about that. Its equality before God brought bloodily down to Earth. And Christianity is radically increasing cultural and political influence. Leftism is becoming so intellectually impotent that even uneducated conservatives can identify its absurdities.
Perhaps increasing the recording volume of such videos would help get more listeners for this important subject?
I think one of the issues we (western civilization) run into is that we never stop tinkering. We're constantly tinkering and making things "better", but I think when we've reached a pretty darn good point in society..we are like mice..we just keep going and never really reflect on what we've accomplished and say ..hey..let's slow down a little bit and enjoy where we are at. It leads us to I think forget what our core values are and we don't defend them because instead of looking out over the trees..our head is buried down looking at the ground.
Douglas is so sensible and wise.
Odd that the organizers of such events can't even get audience mikes to function. I suppose this is another sign of what's wrong with us....
The best read on this general subject is Tell the Truth and Shame the Devil by Gerard Menuhin. Outstanding book.
Christ is at the core of what made western civilization as good as it was.
True and people hate hearing it.
What’s killing society is fear. What stifles creativity, what gives rise to dictators, compels people to attack their enemies, what makes it so hard
to communicate?
Yes, fear. Specially when combined, or carried by, tribalistic thought and discourse.
Am pretty sure what’s killing the society where I reside is the violent crime. No need to get too philosophical.
24:15 "Everywhere at the moment, you hear people saying things like, ' we've got to radically change things in order to have more of this because it is so unfair at the moment for X group...'....and nobody ever asks these demagogues 'compared to what?' "
"Compared to what?", also a classic response from Thomas Sowell.
Not very easy to answer.
Not very easy to answer compared to what?
Bad Dum Tish. You reminded me of Sowell's old joke about the economist who runs into his old friend after years.
@@jengleheimerschmitt7941 how's the wife. Compared 2watt?
_Our world is not dying, someone is killing him, and those people have names and addresses._
Samuel Hyde
Yaron Brook is all confused and contradictory. I am being very generous.
@@bilbobaggins4710 Calm down. Begin again. Logic, syntax, simple shit.
Atrocious question format. The audience were more interesting than the panel to be honest. The chair annoyed me with her abruptness. I can usually listen to Murray for hours.......
Really atrocious! Chair destroyed the discussion with every interjection and interruption of the speakers and questioners.
They seemed to have rather severe time constraints. They should have booked the venue for twice as long.
Her ego and low intellect was getting in everyone's way.
The moderator was utter rubbish: agitated and rough as guts. And I really didn’t want to hear her opinions. She wasted valuable time with unnecessary interjections and asides.
What is killing Western society is:
1. the wars we needlessly fought on behalf of politicians for their own political aims that slaughtered our people by the millions.
2. The use of human trafficking, because that's what immigration policy really is, to make up for the murderous escapades that same political class indulged in.
3. The importation of foreigners to provide those same politicians with the material they need for the divide and rule principle they govern by.
4. The inability to recognise that 2 & 3 are really just empire in reverse. Proving that political and business interests are have no real allegiance to anything but their interests.
4. The rise of corporations that have no allegiance to the societies they serve. They will promote any measure that boosts short term profit and then uses that profit to make governing elites malleable and sensitive to their concerns rather than the society they were created to serve.
Its up to people in the west to say no to the governing/business class. They are here to serve us. They may be wise and their advice worth listening to but that's as far as their influence should ever be allowed to go. In Western Europe it reached a point where it needs to be sterner than a "no". I would send most of the politicians to serve life terms for what they are trying to bring about. Democrats they most certainly are not and we just can't afford them any longer.
The War in Afghanistan that The USSR waged was a big issue in the collapse of the USSR. The USA's war in Afghanistan and Iraq is playing a huge role in the role The USA has been playing since WW2.
Yes
The only people who talk absolute nonsense are those like yourself who brand everything they don't agree with "Alt-right" because it saves having to look themselves in the mirror and thinking,
Damn right
"The direct use of physical force is so poor a solution to the problem of limited resources that it is commonly employed only by small children and great nations. (p.4) " - Machinery of Freedom, David D. Friedman
I use that same exact d friedman quote all the time. Great man, great book, great quote
Great quote. Never heard of the book. As an avid reader, I'm always looking for the next book. I'll check it out,thanks.
So good. Great discussion
Great discussion, with some brilliant points made by all. Thanks for sharing!
too many questions taken at once, and if time is so tight, just take fewer questions.... a few well discussed is better than many just pecked at
Yaron's platitudes and generalizations stood in stark contrast to Murray's brilliance.
closing statement by Murray is so very well spoken.
How did Clair Fox get a peerage, but not Douglas Murray? Still, he's more use to us out of the House of Lords.
Glad I found this channel this is where I belong!!! We are in this fight together!
DM put that very well about politics being important but not providing the meaning of life.
Murray--the clear intellectual of the group here. Cheers!
it's Murray's "foreign policy" that destabilised the middle east and created the refugee crisis, but he never talks about it
I think he's weasel rat, just like Yaron
“Where there is no vision [no revelation of God and His word], the people are unrestrained;
But happy and blessed is he who keeps the law [of God].” PROVERBS 29:17
We appear weak, is to me the most important point of this panel. By arriving in a culture that looks weak and in search of meaning, any outsider would feel comfortable not adopting local customs. If there is no strong identity in this new place, the immigrant will always naturally go back to its own cultural identity.
Lots to criticize here that shouldn’t even be an issue:
1) the audio is abysmal. Hire a real sound engineer.
2) the worst moderator I’ve ever seen. Convoluted, rambling and incoherent.
3) the format is horrible. Aside from the ongoing microphone failure-allowing more then a single question-let alone five or more defeats the entire purpose of q & a. This’s discussion 101!
Ayn Rand would surely not approve.
DM deserves better.
The moderator was appalling.
It's the internet. People can't afford sound engineers. They can't afford a lot of things. Just live with it. Or go listen to some other video. My only peeve is the people who in an effort to achieve a soft tone do not have a high enough volume. My laptop is not very loud and I do not want to use external speakers. If you make it too loud, the listener can always turn down the volume. But you can only turn it up so much with normal equipment.
People who complain about robot voices bother me too. At least I can understand what they are saying, which is more than you can say for some people. I can adapt to and in my mind correct the robot reader mispronounciations. Maybe some people can't do that. If someone doesn't like the robot voice, well, find another video.
How rich and refreshing. Thanks for uploading!
Great point raised on Umbrella movement in Hong Kong @ 54:50. I was in HK recently, read into their history and thought, why should we not help this democratic country keep it's way of life that it wants to keep, in the face of the oncoming takeover from mainland communist China
A quite strange comment regarding democracy as Britain never encouraged democracy in any meaningful way in Hong Kong until it was handed back to the Chinese.
Is the Ayn Rand Institute so destitute that it can't afford a professional videographer?
Ayn Rand's old audio recordings of speeches and radio broadcasts, and television interviews are of better quality than this.
Late to the party, but immigrants used to come to the US EXPECTING to be assimilated. They wanted to be Americans, yet kept their individual cultures as a "secondary"and identity. I don't know when it changed, but the "modern" immigrants come in and refuse to assimilate: they insist we change our culture to meet theirs. That is huge.
When Douglas Murray was talking how postmodernists just drop art and religion because something went wrong and that "what? we shouldn't have to do anything with religion?" something interesting happened. He also said that that is also part of why they are pushing to tear groups apart. That they want to prevent organizing along communal grounds. I think Yaron got somewhat restless and , I think, he may have had a bit of an Realization. Something turned in his head.
This section of the conversation is very important, especially for libertarians!
Many times they make the point that man should find through reason what values and ideas would make them truly happy in reality. That because man himself is the meaning. But one thing, very interestingly, is that they rarely ever try to make a point what these ideas and values might objectively be exactly. It's usually something vague about capitalism and individualism, the point of which is to find the above mentioned values and ideas. It all seems rather lacking. Certainly something to think about.
I am more and more impressed by Douglas Murray as a thinker.
P.S. Scratch that, Yaron just doubled down and ploughed on with the same as always.
This format sucks. I can't remember the first few questions by the time it comes to them being answered. You can't keep the focus of what can be an excellent question. Rotten.
Poor stupid attention span deficit Georg.
The killing is coming from globalism.
I'm glad that such a talk took place.
I was on the fence about Yaron Brook before watching this, but man was he all over the place, contradicting himself constantly in this talk. I am done with him, sadly, because some of what he says has some value.
agree. YB got some kind of issue with believing what he reads in the nyt
volume is so bad i can't watch this so sad better equipment
it could be your equipment . I can get absolutely clear sound at volume more than I need. I have basic computer with just a little pair of speakers plugged in.
Raymond I’m wearing 1of 3 different sets of LG headsets and can hear them all. Perfectly.
If you have a tab then get a volume booster app,problem solved.
Atrocious sound quality,
Output your computer's sound to your audio system. It will be LOUD. And you can increase the treble. Or buy some powerful computer speakers.
Yaron Brook is wrong. Trump always says that it was the inaction or incompetence of American leaders of the past 30 years that resulted in our trade imbalance.
Hate the way q&a done. Good discussion anyway.
Well as to Yaron who thinks Christianity is an enemy of society, and the fact that Douglas has been such a breath of life to so many of us [and even though he may define himself as an athiest/agnostic], as far as I look for the prophetic, I do beleive that Douglas is put where he is -and people find his books, because of God's planning.
And I love the fact that Douglas said what I knew he thought, that he does not agree on Yaron's take on Christianity.
Yaron Brook's account of the causal factors that have given Western culture its unique characteristics is bizarre in the extreme. Note that in his ahistorical narrative it is only Greek thought, rediscovered during the Italian Renaissance, and further developed by the Enlightenment seem to count - which Douglas Murray ironically notes. Anybody who has bothered to do the background reading would know that it is Christianity that underpins the distinctive character of Western culture (but not as manifested in its latest phase of nihilism and relativism). The Christian worldview gave us modern science, parliamentary democracy, the sovereignty of the individual, human dignity, our ethics, educational establishments, hospitals and the importance of compassion, sense of belonging, the great tradition of the arts as developed in the Western world, our civic sense of duty and fair play, etc. Even the projective geometry that was used by Renaissance artists, although first developed and used in Ancient Greece, was motivated not by some humanistic, scientific desire but to represent sacred, biblical events so that the congregation would experience them as eyewitnesses.
I think Yaron Brook has grounds for litigation. Whatever school or university he attended, he was clearly shortchanged in his understanding of Western culture.
“We don’t know who we are”
Spot on. At root, this is very simple.
CaptainJayOT, what is very engineered? I’m unclear on exactly what you mean. Do you mean there’s been much engineering to prevent us knowing who we are?
CaptainJayOT, sorry, I mean how exactly has that been engineered? I’m curious about this idea
Of course Yaron Brook would condemn female genital mutilation, but not male genital mutilation.
+OhMaDayzz Context is important. He probably has not thought much about the issue. FGM is practiced solely to prevent the pleasure of sexual activity, which on the face of it is immoral. As to circumcision, there is mixed research about it, and there is even some debate as to whether there is an impact on pleasure or not from it. That is relevant context. If a baby is born with a rotting arm, you don't call that baby arm mutilation because the doctors took it off. You have a gut biome. If the doctors kill off some bad bacteria with drugs, that is a physical act. That doesn't mean they are involved in baby stomach mutilation. The fact that a procedure was done does not by itself delegitimize the act from a rights perspective, and rights apply in a context.
FGM describes a wide range of practices, with many (or possibly most) of these practices being less invasive and damaging than male circumcision. Not all forms of FGM prevent sexual pleasure either. I would advise you to read this by an expert on the subject, and here he's writing about the prosecution of a Bohra physician for performing a procedure on a girl: blog.practicalethics.ox.ac.uk/2017/08/does-female-genital-mutilation-have-health-benefits-the-problem-with-medicalizing-morality/
Damon Hage The foreskin has more nerve endings than any other part of the penis combined. Its an ancient Jewish blood ritual done SPECIFICALLY to prevent sexual pleasure.
Damon Hage yes but I think you missed the point that was being made, if the circumcising was done for a purely medical reason you would be right, however the vast number of people who are do this are doing so only for religious reasons, that’s why it’s genital mutilation. Medical there are never rare cases where getting circumcised is required, none of which occur pre-puberty.
"however the vast number of people who are do this are doing so only for religious reasons" I don't believe that's true in the US, it may be in Europe.
I'd LOVE listen to this, but I'd have to actually HEAR it to do so. What's up with the volume/sound???
Turn up the sound on your device silly girl....Don't be a cry baby 😁
Wonderful event, but the audio levels were execrable. The moderator was too damn loud, and Mr. Murray was almost inaudible. Hire a professional audio engineer to watch your mixer if you want this to be recorded for posterity.
The problem with fgm is the parents send the girls back “home” for a holiday and they come back having been cut. The parents then express ignorance and horror. This makes it almost impossible to prosecute.
The family courts frequently make orders banning girls from certain countries being taken out of the jurisdiction.
If it’s done here it should most certainly be prosecuted.
The audio volume here is very weak.
Couldn't hear Mr Murray very well, makes these things hard to watch with the sound so low.
This ended my respect for Dr. Brooks.
Religion is a good way of life .
Audio is much too quiet I can't get enough to pick up much of what is being said. Is it too much to increase the gain on the recorder to get a decent level?
So, I stumbled upon an irony, Im most likely the last to the party on this, but, it seems to me that all of this uproar about racism(by men), sexism(by men), misogyny(obvs), discrimination(by men), The Patriarchy(evil men) is being voiced the most loudly by women.
These women are the mothers of all these men, and it seems to me that, to the degree that; weak, abusive, selfish, irresponsible, cruel and hatefilled men exist, that might be laid at the feet of the women who raised them...?
Maybe growing up watching mothers squeeze every penny out of their fathers or their govt, while watching an endless line of men flow thru the revolving door of their mothers bedrooms has made these lads lose a tad bit of respect for motherhood and women in general. Maybe these women should have the guts to take responsibility for any decline in men acting honourably. Be it their own actions or the actions of other women that they didnt speak out against....of course women dont take responsibility, they can only be victims.....
Women are totally unaccountable and without reason.
It’s funny the way these 3 look at the working class. For instance, Tommy Robinson says the same things that Douglas says. Just not as eloquently. But, the middle nd upper class sneer at Tommy. They can’t bring themselves to be even civil to Tommy. Donald Trump May be a rich man, but he’s still a working class kind of man and these people sneer at him as well. I try to appreciate anyone who has the guts to stand up against evil. Maybe Europe should do the same.
The question format seems very unhelpful
I totally agree with Douglas Murray that the West, that being specially the culture that has arisen in the European countries (& the US & Canada) rooted in Greek thought and with a belief in Christianity is in peril of being lost by an inordinate influx of people from a belief in Islamic and religions other than Christianity. And only a fool or a delusional person would say otherwise.
Just the fact that debates such as this are happening all over is testament to the statement above!
What he says around 40:00 sounds great. Being born in the "east" I am very saddened by how westerners, having experienced the privileges afforded to them, condemn the countries which have given them those privileges and instead praise the countries or ideologies which have resulted more NET suffering around the world. I am referring to 'socialism, vs capitalism' for example, and so on.