At the Screening... "Daring Doubt" Review
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2019
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I imagine my broski's needed a gigantic lozenge after recording this
make it a lozenge pizza
That ep should give everyone a $100.00 and a lozenge after that stupid recon. I would get mad to, but the lesson is nice if done right and was in another ep. It feels like they had quota to fill when it comes to lesson. I can say this really bad.
Joey Turner and a hug
I think along with all these, the one thing I hated about this episode was how entitled the rabid fans were acting... kinda sound familiar, brony fans sending death threats?
ya that needs to not happen.
@@DoraeArtDreams-Aspy It was in the beginning when the rabid fans were lashing out on A.K. Yearling instead of getting her autograph
I feel more sorry for the mics they used
Also, why would fans believe a book slandering Daring Do written by somepony no one's even heard of until now? Woudn't it count as unauthorized fanfiction?
Ahuizotl when other guardian creatures are watching: "Oh not, I've got to protect these artifacts!"
Ahuizotl as soon as the other guardian creatures are out of the room: "Time to murder everyone and conquer the world!"
Part of me wants to be so uncharitable as to say that the reason they decided to retcon a redemption onto him is just because he has a Hispanic accent and they don't want to be "problematic" to one of their "ethnic" characters.
Had forgotten how the other Daring episodes went. Thank you for the refresher.
Wow! Thank you!
I don't see eye-to-eye with Thespio all the time, especially on his lack of appreciation for best pony (i.e. Rainbow Dash) but yeah, I am 100% on board with everything you both said here.
Even more than any lazy retcons, it's the moral that infuriates me. There's a line from a Star Wars novel that stuck with me, even after years and years from when I first read it:
"It's called the gray fallacy. One person says white, another says black, and outside observers assume gray is the truth. The assumption of gray is sloppy, lazy thinking. The fact that one person takes a position that is diametrically opposed to the truth does not then skew reality so the truth is no longer the truth, The truth is still the truth."
-Michael Stackpole, Star Wars: X-Wing: Isard's Revenge
Granted, maybe its a bit Randian, but regardless, it has a good point. I was horrified because Fluttershy was letting herself get suckered in by Caballeron pointing out an irrelevant detail (the color of a flower!) in Daring Do's account in order to get Fluttershy to question the veracity of the account as a whole and to elevate the value of Caballeron's lying screed. That's how conspiracy theorists (anti-Vaxxers, 9/11 Truthers, Holocaust Deniers, etc.) operate. It's also just a terrible moral to suggest that the way to make horrible people turn good is to defend and enable their horrible behavior, because validating them isn't going to make them want to change! She is giving them exactly what they want!
I wasn't a huge fan of "Keep Calm and Flutter On," thinking Fluttershy was a bit cynical and manipulative to tell Discord she trusted him and defend him from the others' accusations when she knew, 100% that Discord was guilty and his denials were false. I did not really like that. But to go from that to here ... we had Fluttershy in "Keep Calm..." express her indignation that her friends thought her that silly and gullible. But here, I guess it shows why they were right to think that since she apparently IS that silly and gullible.
Hell, even after the reveal that Caballeron was lying (shock!), Fluttershy didn't even get a chance to express being hurt or upset that she'd been utterly tricked. Even in the context of the stupid idea of redeeming Caballeron, it was ridiculous that they already had it happen BEFORE the reveal, utterly neutering the impact of said reveal. People SHOULD be careful about how far they're willing to trust others, especially those with a deservedly awful reputation. But as is? There are no negative repercussions. If they lie, then they lie. Oh well.
Here's a fun fact: both this and A Matter of Principals were written by the same person, Nicole Dubuc.
No wonder…
I'm with Thespio on the Cozy Glow thing. I'd also like to know why she at such a young age, is a power hungry villain.
Also, I have a theory on the Auizotal continuity error. Picture this, suppose that after his plot to cause a drought (which would destroy the jungle) more superior spirits punished him by making him just a guardian of the jungle.
This was one of the funniest things I've watched in a while. Watching Thespio screaming about it was hilarious. I do agree with the continuity hiccups and even Fluttershy's gullibility, but I just don't hate the episode as much as you do. It's still not all that great, though. Pretty disappointing for the final Daring Do episode, really.
I’ve been thinking; if Ahuizotl is supposed to be the guardian of all those artifacts, wouldn’t releasing 800 YEARS OF UNRELENTING SWELTERING HEAT harm the jungle he’s supposed to be protecting?
Dr. wolf was a lot more positive about this episode.
@@handicappuccino8491 not completely. Its just his voice hardly ever sounds pissed
I'm with both of you Voice and Thespio, "Daring Doubt" was a total let down in my opinion, in fact i'd go as far as to say that this episode was an insulting way to end the shows Daring Do story arc, especially with what they did with Ahuizotl, i mean as we all know ever since he was first introduced in the series everything he's done has made him out to be a bad guy, and then this episode comes along making his character go from being a perfectly understood bad guy to a misunderstood good guy?...if that's not lazy and or lousy writing for a character, then i don't know what is....that's my opinion and i'm sticking too it.
Voice, I feel like you guys need to do a talk with DrWolf on it. Cause it honestly sounds like a discussion or better a moment with DrWolf needs to be pointed out since he applause the episode for Fluttershys weakness and making it a strength. I don’t blame you guys on the episode, but from what doc said of it, I feel like it needs to be addressed. Unless I am taking it too seriously
Also what's with these mlp villains turning good, why, sometimes villains need to stay as villains and not turn good
I have to assume Ahuizotl is immune to that necklace’s effects. That’s the only way any of it would make sense.
:D your outburst at the beginning was AMAZING.
Think how great the episode would be if it focused on Daring Do having to deal with her secret being spilled with the mane 6 along to see the consequences of thier book. It would pave the way for the good and bad in the power of popular media as a moral lesson, something needed these days.
everytime i watch this video daily it still feels fresh and not boring haha
Exactly 😅
Man after watching this. I've never knew how much i miss out on season 3-7 worth of content. Now this episode has me spilt in the middle. Don't worry guys. The next episode is more slice of lifey with a nice song.
Thesbio sounded like the Nostalgia critic when he started his rant.
Did your throats hurt after this? Because you guys did a lot of screaming.
Thespio screamed more than Voiceofreason.
I liked this episode :)
I have to agree with you guys
*270TH LIKE!!!!!*
Seriously, this is like the [now] common case of downplaying heroes and attempting to add a victim-like point of view towards villains, as though said villains are blameless for the actions they are clearly doing and are not taking responsibility for said actions. Firebrand posted a video essay concerning this writing style and mindset. Believe me, continuity problems isn’t the only thing that’s KOed in the crossfires. DX
When I saw the In A Nutshell version of this episode, I was like "no, that can't be what happened". But no, that did happened. What the actual hell.
*what the actual hay*
The only thing that I payed attention to is FlutterShy being so darn cute.
16:20
Goodness
My favorite part of this video that I want it to be a GIF or at least a mini-video...
9:16 - 9:25
......Oh yes boys yes...... YES YES YES
FUCKING YES!!!!!!
FINALLY YOU TWO HAVE EXPRESSED MY DEEP ROUTED HATRED FOR THIS P.O.S EPISODE AND ..... JUST FUCKING YES!!!!
5:27 I completely agree with this Cozy Glow rant!
2:28
*Pulls out Keyblade* DON'T YOU DARE PULL THAT UP AGAIN!!! ...I got nightmares.
*KH2 PTSD intensifies*
I liked daring doubt! Wait.... thar was the one where aldi zodal was reveled to just be a Mastigophobic (fear of being punished had to google it) temple guardain in some pretty damn hot water. All the daring do titles are a blurr in my head. Not the plots though
2:29 well you know so why am i going to tell you whatcha already know
6:07 *cracks up* this earns the like
13:54 *actually likes that almost all the villans were redeemed*
So would you say that Caballeron and Ahuizotl's reformation in this episode makes Garble's reformation in Sweet and Smoky look like Sunset Shimmer's reformation in Rainbow Rocks?
What also grates is that for a dual-character piece with conflicting viewpoints, we get no real acknowledgement that Rainbow Dash had a valid point and was, in fact, correct.
If (and that's a big if) they wanted to do this basic story, here's where I would've changed things up. First off, eliminate the stuff about A.K. Yearling's connection with Daring Do coming out. It never went anywhere and was pointless. The rest of the episode can more-or-less continue as is up to the reveal when Caballeron has the talisman. Only here, LET FLUTTERSHY GET UPSET.
Have her be shocked and appalled that he lied to her, manipulated her and took her good will and stomped on it. Have her fire off question after question about the claims in his book and have Caballeron admit they were all innuendos, half-truths or bald-faced lies. Dejected, Fluttershy turns back to Rainbow Dash and admits that she was right all along and about how wasted her kindness was. Then the stone-gargoyles attack and the group runs. And maybe one of the henchponies helps Fluttershy by shoving her forward to safety, even taking the hit for her.
Then during the sheltering in the cave bit, while Fluttershy is still upset, have the henchponies go over to Fluttershy and apologize for everything, showing real remorse. Then even when Fluttershy still feels down since Caballeron is still an unrelenting jackass, have Rainbow Dash point out that maybe Fluttershy had a point too. While Daring Do's accounts and reality have both shown that Caballeron is a jerk, Daring never really explored what made the henchponies tick or if they were as bad as Caballeron. Have Dash point out that Fluttershy's kindness was wasted on Caballeron, but it did have an impact on his henchponies. Seeing and hearing this, Fluttershy is buoyed and gets her confidence back.
Then she heads out and uses her kindness to connect with the gargoyle creatures and have them let them out: show both Rainbow Dash and Fluttershy being right about one of the principal baddies; Rainbow being right about Caballeron and Fluttershy being right in regards to the henchponies or gargoyles. Heck, (I admit to being a bit controversial here) I would have be okay, under THESE circumstances, with some (hopefully less dumb) version of Ahuizotl being redeemed. Yeah, it would've been as abrupt and out-of-left field as Garble's was in "Sweet and Smoky" but I can forgive a retcon if its as part of a good moral or a good character piece. Let Rainbow Dash be right about distrusting Caballeron and let Fluttershy be validated with Ahuizotl. Show that listening to the other side shouldn't make you an unquestioning defender of a false narrative, but a critical observer.
The retcons in the actual episode are egregious because it's clear that Fluttershy lacked any hoof to stand on and so they had to re-write reality in order to validate her stupidity. Because the writers are under the illusion that the way to show the strength of kindness is to show Fluttershy being kind as in and of itself an insta-win: she shows kindness and she gets what she wants, no additional effort required. That's a huge mistake. Be kind, yes, but show the pitfalls that go with it, show the hard work that is required to build off what kindness can lay the foundation for. Don't rewrite things to validate blind, naive trust in clearly bad people, or else you end up merely helping them along.
Daring do being exposed. Meanwhile I hear Marinette aka ladybug screaming about keeping identities a secret.
This was one of the episodes of S9 that I missed out on, but after catching up. HOLY HFIL was this something to watch.
I know the message is to get both sides of the story to you can make a call on what is "true"
but this episode drops the ball. Especially when we HAD AN EPISODE EARLIER THAT DID THIS.
Anyone remember the episode where Rarity, Applejack, and Pinkie Pie all went on a boat trip, and we had to have a Rashomon style of storytelling to get to the truth?
THAT WAS WHAT THIS EPISODE SHOULD HAVE BEEN
all 3 sides had a different perspective and Twilight had to get ALL 3 sides of the story to find out the truth, sure the mystery was a dud, but that episode better handled and used the "you have to get both sides" moral sooooo much better without ruining any of the characters or pre-established stories
*DARING DOUBT IS THE MOST DISSAPOINTING THING SINCE MY SON*
Harry Plinkett reference aside, i wanted to like this episode, since i can get behind the moral. But the discontinuity of previous episodes was the true deal breaker for me. Now i'm sincerely hoping the IDW comics give her a better send off, i don't care that it isn't canon, the episode was so frustrating to watch that i'm now begging to see a proper conclusion for the character on the comics.
The jokes in this episode was, in my opinion, pretty good. But when it comes to the writing and massive continuity errors here that leads back to previous seasons... this can be seen as "ignoring the previous episodes" in order to enjoy this one. But even then, just by ignoring previous episodes will still not hold up to this one from questions such as "How did Fluttershy and Rainbow Dash met Daring Do or know where secret identity?".
At the end of the day, I can only let this episode slide for being somewhat entertaining but it's not recommended for others to watch. At least the rest of the episodes that are coming up are from good to a satisfying conclusion. (At least that's from what I heard when the episodes were leaked.)
@@DoraeArtDreams-Aspy No spoilers please
While I do love Fluttershy, I don't like this episode for many reasons. I think the writers did another poor job for portraying Fluttershy in this episode and making Ahuizotl a good guy in this was just a big fat old no. Don't get me wrong, I can understand with some of the Aztec deities and all, but dude... YOU TRIED TO SET FIRE TO THE JUNGLE YOU LIVE IN FOR THE UNSWELTING HEAT!
ALSO, Fluttershy you were cute this episode. I liked that.
… I wouldn’t call you a hypocrite for wanting to know Cozy Glow’s backstory and not Cabaléron’s. We’ve known the latter since season four. Cozy Glow, season eight. Cabaléron wasn’t a major antagonist. Cozy Glow is.
But then there lies another question: who's backstory is worse? Starlight's or Cozy Glow's?
Starlight's on account of we don't exactly know what Cozy Glow's backstory is (or at least, I don't. I haven't bothered watching the show in months.)
@@SEGASister Fair point. Personally it feels like sometimes having a rushed backstory is better than having none at all i guess.
Someone needs dr Wolfs help
Agreed.
Yeah, these last few episodes of Season 9 seem to not be doing so well...
The finale may be flawed, but I think it will be better than seeing doubt.
Tao Jones T.jones I like the finale despite the twist
Rhapsody HC: MLP Mashups yeah they were not doing well a horse shoe in was meh for me because it was a lesson starlight learned before this episode was just horrible and growing up is hard to do was meh for me but the next episode and the finale will make up for it
For me, this episode fixed everything I was tired of with Daring Do's story and concept.
It's probably my favourite, aside from Read it and Weep.
I can tell already this final season is going straight to hell. This episode alone has turned all the previous seasons into A FUDGE PACKING LIE!! AND THERE'S NO GOSH DARN EXCUSE FOR IT!!
Starting without the opening video, I have a feeling this is gonna be bad. I’m gonna say before watching that I liked this episode. Yes, it was predictable but this is a kids show and predictability can be fun for kids. I liked the ending as well. Fluttershy stood out and was such an awesome part of this episode. I’m gonna watch the review now and see what you guys think.
It aint easy being breezy was a great episode its moral is lost on people
I have no issues towards anyone who likes Fluttershy. At times, even I can see how great of a character she can be.
That being said...her role in Scare Master was HORRID! Not only does she act like a coward at virtually the most harmless things during Nightmare Night (such as fake vampire fangs, eating candy and dressing up.) Her hiding out under her bed every year on that holiday makes all the brave things she did and continues to do...seem non-existent. I mean...I'm proud she got over her fear of dragons and actually went into the Dragon Lands, a BIG improvement from the Migration episode.
But really, her not liking Nightmare Night because her friends get scared is just stupid. If only we could've had an episode where Discord helped her come out of her shell on that night. Knowing HIM, the holiday would be like his Second Hearth's Warming/Second Christmas
Also why does is daring do still a secret she has her story written in the book from fame and misfortune
Now I feel stupid for finding this episode ok.
Sorry.
I still liked it
I don't blame you two for being so upset with this episode. I doubt a lot of Bronies liked what happened here to resolve any leftover problems with Daring, Caballeron, and Ahuizotl before the finale. You have every reason to voice your discontent and hatred with it.
Fluttershy reminds me a bit of Cosmo from Sonic X. She wants to believe in the good no matter what. And she lost her whole family including her mother, older sister and her father who went evil. But she still knew all along they could be good deep inside! And in the end she was reunited with her family. But she had to sacrifice her life in order to save her kind. She even said do herself that fighting is not an answer. So she's a pacifist and one for peace. I can't hate this episode because it reminds me of Cosmo and her beliefs.
You do know that Cosmo was a spy, right? Even if she didn't know it?
@@henmo24 Yes. I do. I remember.
Plus, Fluttershy didn’t lose her family.
13:44 THANK YOU!!!!! Take note Steven Universe.
@@DoraeArtDreams-Aspy would've been interesting to watch yes, but with how they handled everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, the way disney makes it with songs and TOO much color, yea it will lose some of the audience. But yes, she would've probably had a very mind blowing arc when she realized that Steven was Pink Diamonds son, she tried to destroy him, and finding a new purpose since there is "peace" throughout the universe. Which is VERY anticlimactic, even for Steven Universe. MLP at least has Villains who, even if they don't say it, show that they really can never change.
No more bloody redemptions!
Was great listening you rag on my least favorite mane6, Rainbow Dash, back in "2, 4, 6, Great." Now I get listen to you rag on my favorite mane6, Fluttershy. How the tables have turned.
Also I actually did enjoy this episode despite the small retcons.
This is what happens when this episode is written by the same person who wrote A Matter of Principals
2:34 The Lego Batman Movie reference
4:33
my thoughts on Lily Orchard's videos and how vindictive she is towards a LOT of people
Couldn't agree more, and Fluttershy's naivety in this episode painfully reminds me of how many impressionable people have been falling for Lily's spiteful, bad-faith rhetoric and instead believing she speaks wonders! Then again, this is the same person who thinks that opinions that don't come from a good critic (however she defines "good critic") are worth jackshit.
That said, I hasten to admit being the one responsible for why Lily went after VoiceOfReason in the first place...
5:31
Yes Thespio. Yes it is hypocritical. Because SOME PEOPLE JUST WANT TO WATCH THE WORLD BURN. DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT!?
By the way, isn't Cabelleron's backstory mentioned in season 4? (and in this episode as well)
seth moss it wasn’t really mentioned in season 4 also what are your thoughts on the episode.
When I first heard about this episode, I was pretty iffy about it, but after seeing the reviews MisAntro Pony and you guys did, I'm completely convinced that this episode is complete, utter garbage. What really drove me to realize this episode would be bad is that they redeemed Ahuizotl, despite his previous appearances clearly showing that he's evil.
I also want to bring up that this episode was written by Nicole Dubuc, who was also the writer for "A Matter of Principals" and "The Last Crusade" (which I hate). Add this episode to her line of stinkers.
So, yeah. Completely skipping.
The "redemption" of the villain in this episode is just as insulting as the "redemption" of the Diamonds from SU.
AnimationFan15 I actually like the last crusade in my opinion I thought it was a masterpiece so fir Nicole dubuc to go right back in the bad it’s just bad
When you say DuckTales do you mean the original or the 2017 version because I’ve only seen the 2017 version
Geez, you officially transformed into the Angry My Little Pony Nerd (or Equestria Critic; take your pick) in this one, Thespio. I'm surprised there wasn't a Technical Difficulties screen from all the rage and hatred you displayed. In fact, you probably should've invented a rating lower than a hooves down after watching this episode, because it freaking broke you. The last time I heard a brony get that angry at anything related to Friendship is Magic, they quit the show. XD
When it comes to Ahuizotl's reveal as a misunderstood good guy and his redemption, yeah, it makes no sense when you remember the extreme measure he went to "protect the jungle". The example of his past villainy from Read It and Weep was presented as what Rainbow Dash imagined was happening while reading the book, but the example from Daring Don't wasn't told from any specific point of view; it was an actual event actually happening within the show's world, so there couldn't be any idealizing or demonizing. What we saw was what we got. Also, if Ahuizotl is supposed to be a guardian of the jungle's relics, and if he'll wind up in trouble with these other guardians if he doesn't do his job well enough, I must ask. Wouldn't they get equally ticked off at him for doing his job TOO well? Losing the relics to a persistent treasure hunter is one thing, but what about possibly setting the jungle on fire and killing everything that inhabits it just to keep her away from them? How can this be defended?
And Thespio, I can understand you wanting Cozy Glow to get a backstory, while at the same time wanting no such thing from Caballeron. It's because of the difference in importance that they are presented with. Caballeron is a d-list villain, intentionally created to be a one-dimensional villain archetype from a series within a series. For quite a while, nobody realized he actually existed. Cozy Glow was made to be a big deal. She's a crafty child prodigy who displayed a level of charisma unlike any of the other School of Friendship students, and knew how to put all the pieces into place to get what she wanted. All that combined with her twisted view on the concept of friendship and how she wished to benefit from it has built intrigue around her. It really makes one wonder on how this little girl got corrupted so badly. While Cozy Glow has been entertaining in her post-School Raze appearances, unless she's just a demon from the fiery pits of Hell, a little background on what made her who she is wouldn't hurt.
Lastly, dang it! Another pony actually doing something incompetently, instead of PRETENDING they're doing something incompetently to MANIPULATE somebody. First Sunburst in A Trivial Pursuit, and now Fluttershy in THIS episode. That sweetheart has risen so high on my Mane 6 fondness metre since the show's early years, and Nicole Dubuc goes and makes her dense for the plot's convenience. I demand smart and manipulative heroes!
By the way, tell me something, Voice and Thespio. You ever dance with the devil in the pale moonlight?
No.
Cozy Glow maybe an "incomplete character", but she has more personality than the main antagonist of Daring Doubt (I cannot remember his name and I do not care what his name is. He is boring). Cozy is fun to watch when she is paired with Tirek and Chrsyliss. And unlike Zotl, they are not "redeemed".
Tao Jones T.jones what are your thoughts on the finale and the last problem because I enjoyed those episodes despite the twist
I have only seen the twist, but not the rest of the finale. Not yet, but from what I can tell, it looks good. A great way to send off the series
Voice thespio breathe in breath out breathe in and out count to 3
You two really need to calm down. I think it’s not bad.
Yeah if are just now entering the fandom...like me
Agreed.
I'm gonna get chastised for this, but to me, this was an ok episode, yes there were a LOT of GLARINGLY big retcons, but I enjoyed the character interactions as a whole, buuut... guys, if you didn't like this episode, then you're not gonna like the next one, trust me... >w>;
@@DoraeArtDreams-Aspy didn't mean any offence, I just think the premise of them being in adult bodies could have been handled better. Plus... Even as an adult, Scootaloo STILL has stunted wings... Why?!
Why do I always pick the worst episodes to watch? I’m noticing a pattern that an episode with the most exciting concept is gonna be the one of worst episodes, like the cart before the ponies, dragon quest and daring done while the ones with a mundane setting are gonna be good, and that’s just a load disappointment for me.
for starters I understand that you disliked this episode and that you have strong feelings enough to use explicit language but that DOES NOT give you the right to insult your viewer base because of it using your "Dance Monkey Dance" lines you accused your fans of only watching you to see you torture yourselves on bad episode reviews. That is not always true for example i watch your videos because you guys are very interesting with your reviews i enjoy listening to your viewpoints as it helps me judge things in different ways. i find you guys genuinely funny and informative. But I Don't watch your videos to see yourself torture yourselves but to hear your opinions and learn to understand your point of view. But that "Dance monkey Dance" bit you guys did made me feel like you hated your fanbase not the episode. I felt you were insinuating that i as your fan wanted you to suffer. i as a fan of your work felt you were attacking and hating that i find your content interesting to watch. Please next time if you hate an episode so passionately that you uncensor yourself please don't take it out on your fans and assume we want to see you torture yourselves. I personally watch your content to learn from you and understand your point of view Not torture you.
@@DoraeArtDreams-Aspy
Pay attention to the context. The "Dance monkey dance" line does not refer to people who like the episode; they said that they are doing the review because that is what their fans expect: reviews on every episode.
@@DoraeArtDreams-Aspy
I have to disagree with you there. We should be able to be mature enough as to not feel personally attacked when others disagree with us. It should go without saying: that is their opinion, and you have every right to yours. You should not need to have others validate your right to your opinion.
Now, are there some who will try to say that you are stupid for having the opinion that you have? Yes. However, they'd be in the wrong for doing so. It is one thing to say "I disagree with *your opinion* ; this episode makes retcons that are inexcusable for a final season episode." It is another thing to say, " *You* are stupid for liking this episode." And I reiterate: Voice and Thespio are not personally attacking fans that somehow like this episode. They're doing what they have always been doing since the beginning of this review series: giving their opinions on the episode, and stating their reasons behind their opinions.
@@DoraeArtDreams-Aspy
"They didn't attack the fans?" No, they did not. As I said, they basically said that this episode was so bad, if they could get away with NOT reviewing it, they would. But we expect a review, so here they are. They are basically saying that they, like trained monkeys, are here for our enjoyment. Could they have stated their point better? Perhaps. Nonetheless, let's not take that line out of context
"Also what did Mitchell meant?" He did exactly what I'm warning you not to do: he took the line too seriously. He took it to mean that we fans ONLY watch their content to see them torture themselves with the bad episodes--which we don't.
"Also is it okay for my boyfriend to like Voice?" Let me ask you this: Why are you asking random strangers on the Internet what your boyfriend should and should not like? If you don't like Voice but he does, the most important question is *why*? Why don't you like Voice? Why does he? Try to come to an understanding. That is what relationships are built on: communication and understanding.
Some people cannot take criticism. Orca fucking joke!
Tell me, is this episode game of thrones season 8 or the last Jedi levels of bad?
SuperAndroid16 I think it is
Look, I get it. this is a bad episode. But I can STILL enjoy the other Daring Do episodes in spire of this.
I've developed the habit of separating the bad from the good when looking at things. I ignore this episode when looking at Read it and Weep, Daring Don't and Stranger than Fanfiction. That way, the retcon doesn't mess with my enjoyment of the episodes.
People after seeing peter pan and wendy
Here’s my ranking of the Daring Do episodes:
1. Stranger than fan fiction
2. Daring Don’t
3. Read it and weep
4. Daring Done/ or Daring Doubt
So far I have found 5 bad episodes of the season(ranked BTW)
1. 2, 4, 6 Great
2. Daring Doubt
3. A trivial problem
4. Sweet and Smokey
5. Going to Seed.
DoraeArtDreams-Aspy Going to Seed was just boring. Also just didn’t stand out. I definately felt sorry for Big Mac(even if it did lead to something instead of just being a running joke)
I can't argue with all the stuff you said about Ahuizotl, that was all totally justified. But you may be being too harsh on Fluttershy. Did it occur to you that she may have had a full understanding of who Caballeron was from the start? This is the pony who redeemed Discord. Maybe Fluttershy intentionally set out to redeem Caballeron and was just playing dumb in order to give him the chance to be the better pony? And the end where Caballeron wrote a book with Daring Do... That works just fine. After all, he's always been in it for the money, and being a best selling novelist brings in some serious profit, with the benefit of not having to dodge deathtraps. It does require that Daring Do bury the hatchet, but that's not outside the realm of possibility.
Nice review!!! 😂 Didn’t really like this episode. The only episodes I liked this season were the premiere, finale, and episodes: 3,4,5,6,7,8,9,11,13,16,17,18,19,20,22, and 23. The rest... is just 🤦♀️. 5 bad episodes this season, eh? Such a downer.
Just asking Thespio, which is worse, Daring Doubt or 2,4,6, Greeeaatt? 🤔
DoraeArtDreams-Aspy In my opinion, it wasn’t the worst. But it was super sloppy written and poorly executed, so the lesson it seems to give is horrible and confusing.
DoraeArtDreams-Aspy Did you watch the review, now? 😂😂😂
DoraeArtDreams-Aspy Depends, if you’re still up for it! 😊 But if it will affect your sanity, then don’t. 😂
DoraeArtDreams-Aspy Yep, even though it wasn’t completely horrible, the pacing overall was AWFUL, when I first watched it, I was like whoa, whoa, WHOA, what just happened?! And then the story resolved in like 3 minutes, like wait, what? 🤣 (For Putting Your Hoof Down)
DoraeArtDreams-Aspy lol 😂
While I enjoyed Ahuizotl's screen time, the entire episode itself was more than just a train wreck, and good god did I wanna claw my own eyes out! >.
I did not even bother to watch the full episode.
This was the biggest bomb in season 9 and the biggest bomb of the entire show I mean where talking about a bomb out of this world I actually thought this episode was worst than 2,4,6 greaaat because of how ungodly inconsistent it is
I think I enjoyed Dr. Wolf's take on this episode more. Mainly Fluttershy bias.
Please no bully kind pony waifu again :c
Who care Dr Wolf literally bias on Fluttershy, because she the best pony ever.
@@krwizard5991 Well, you're right about one thing. She is the best pony ever.
Geee... It seems you two need to go back to the past to see the Error of Your Ways in the Future, i wonder who does two are.... -saying it in a Sarcastic Tone in a Dorothy Spornak and Dr. Cox way-
I am more likely to believe the Truth Talisman was made with incomplete magic that doesn't guarantee the truth from everyone (like how a lie detector in the real world doesn't pick up every lie), and less to believe Ahuizotl was the good guy all along. This episode makes a big deal out of inspecting every side of the story, yet they always stop at the surface-level testimony and never get to the cross-examination. Somebody put Phoenix Wright on this case.
Daring Do is kryptonite to this show, and really season 1 was the height.
Ignoring that this episode is an example of why I dislike Fluttershy and can't accept her as a good guy, but as a villain. Another example is Bats! and how defensive she is of Discord.
And people say The Star Wars Sequel Trilogy was bad
With how bad some of these episodes have been getting lately, I just can't help but have an uneasy feeling in my stomach for the finale. You either go out with a Gravity Falls big bang, or go out on a Game of Thrones whimper. Let's hope the latter doesn't happen.
As someone who has seen the final, and without spoilers, IMO it went out with a large grand bang.
Flash Sentry it did went out with a huge large bang now there was one dissapointing aspect about it in the first part but it didn’t prevent anything else in the finale to be bad you’ll see
@@miniman649 Same.
Now, now, guys... being totally upset at something does not make un-censoring a nominally PG show okay. Your anger and disappointment would still have come across with the traditional beeps. Calm down, take a stress pill, and de-stress your heart before it attacks you. After all, we still have to make it to the series final...
I didn't think Fluttershy was a moron in this episode.
She clearly said that she wanted to go on the mission with Caballeron to see if his side of the stories were the right ones.
It's true that every person tells a different story & has a different point of view. And Fluttershy was being the fair judge in this case between the three prime Daring Do characters.
Thank you for saying Fluttershy is not an idiot, this episode is like the Bats situation that AJ said the vampire fruit bats are one set minded and evil; for Fluttershy said they have good side too. Sadly, she followed her friend that time but not this time.
This episode has two morals:
1) Listen to both side story
2) Don't judge a book by it cover (that what most people miss the point)
@@krwizard5991 exactly. I love this episode to. Fluttershy reminds me a bit of Cosmo from Sonic X. She believed in peace and kindness without conflict or fighting. And Fluttershy is the same way.
Daring Doubt: Continuity? What continuity?
Also, Thespio, being a hypocrite? Nooooooo Really? Cozy still better.
Agreed. Cozy has more personality and is more memorable than Callaboron or whatever his name.
The Ep is a Fail but the video is awesome.
i am with both of you and i put my Hoof down on too.
i mean really.
Beep beep beep.
Thespio and Voice of Reason reaction about this Ep yes it's bad.
Every Pony's and Brony's have a Good Morning,Good After Noon,Yakko Warner " Good Night every body!"
and after this i may need a Dr Wolf video to make me feel better.
I agree redeeming Caballeron was beyond stupid and made absolutely no sense.
And yeah, I still question the whole idea of Ahuizotl being a good guy just trying to protect the artifacts thing.
Did the writers forget the whole thing in Daring Don't where he was fully ready to subject the area around the temple to 800 years of sweltering heat? You can't just go and say he was doing that for a good reason. The type of sweltering heat he was talking about would kill everything around the temple, turning it into a desert wasteland.
That's hardly PROTECTING the Jungle. That's outright eradicating it.
Unless he meant a *different* kind of heat, in which case... yeah, that's still kinda messed up, even if it were likely because of an animal or tribal ponies population decline.
Though it is still FAR more believable than Caballeron's redemption.
As for his line about making the world suffer his wrath in The Sapphire Stone, we should remember that was in the book already, not Dash actually experiencing it, so there is a chance Daring never actually heard him say anything like that and merely assumed he was saying something along those lines so that's what she wrote in the book.
She has made a few errors in her books, after all.
And as for those other "Guardian Creatures he talks about, the only creatures that come to mind are that Alligator thing from Stranger Than Fanfiction and the Sphinx from Daring Done?.
Yeah i'm with Voice and Will on this one. This episode was just bad altogether.
Yeeeah fluttershy was being used cause of her kindness.and it makes no sense why Dr. calabron and alizuto are reformed. I mean there were some okay parts in this episode still
I should send you two peppermint tea and cookies after the hell you went through
@@DoraeArtDreams-Aspy chocolate chip cookies are the best
Dr Caballeron should have had his face melted Raiders of the Lost Ark style.
So much for calling out Trixie on lashing out huh?? 😏🤣 Anyway I want to like this episode because it’s the last episode staring my two favorite ponies Fluttershy and Rainbow Dash. And to be fair there is some chemistry between them that makes me love them and how they work off each other. But Fluttershy was so gullible. Believe me I’m all for being nice but some people just don’t deserve kindness. If you want to do a lesson about understanding first fine but make sure that you don’t have the wrong people involved in this lesson. 🦋🌈
5:32 HA!!! You see Thespio??? Don’t take that too seriously 😉💙💖
I am still not calling that moment in A Horse-Shoe In a negative. If this "no arguing with parents" rule basically means letting a neglectful guardian who insults their kid in front of him get off scot free, then it's actually a good thing Trixie didn't get vice headmare. They don't even bring up any alternative and don't do a real good job proving their not biased a gainst Trixie. "If it were anyone but Trixie, he or she would not get the job." Yeah, never mind the fact that she DIDN'T get the job. She didn't get off scot free, yet they act like she did. In fact, she gave the position she wanted to somepony else.
I'm going to choose to not comment on your larger review and just say you get a pass for making a UHF reference.
I just had a crazy thought: what if Ahuizotl set up himself and all those evil schemes to fail on purpose (without making it blatantly obvious), as a way to deter other villains from attempting to steal the artifacts and executing similar-sounding plans?
that episode is an 8.5/10 Super Mushrooms, to me, it's an interesting, I mostly agree and disagree the both of you about Fluttershy being manipulative to Dr. Caballeron's scheme, she has no clue about who Dr. Caballeron is, except Rainbow Dash, I mean come on, Fluttershy did mostly a right thing about how treat them in the nice instead of being greedy villains, and of course Ahuizotl turn out to be the guardian of all of the relics, my theory about Ahuizotl ploting about those rings is he needed his perfect tan, so please, just try to give her second chance, she's just a sweet and kind mare, don't use your venomous vulgar on Fluttershy, she has feelings
8:51 DOESN'T COUNT! THIS WAS TOLD FROM THE AUTHOR'S P.O.V.! NOT HOW IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED!
Luke Alford are you dense?daring do doesn’t make things up she writes story’s about what actually happened your just trying to defend this episode well it’s not working daring dos adventures are real.they actually happened stop trying to defend this episode this episode is garbage
And YOU can't tell him what episode he can and can't like or defend.
Don't worry you two, in a couple of episodes, you won't have to be angry about Fluttershy's idiotcy, or the villain's inconsistencies, or Daring Do, or the show's stupidity ever again as they will all go forever into that good night into oblivion and be glad that you could consider all the years of being a Brony was pointless.
Okay, I admit that was pushing too far, however, I can't be the only one getting the impression that at any day one of you might pull a Tommy Oliver on us.
And believe it or not, I want to be proven wrong.
This is actually a cringe comedy that went nowhere without the right continuity! A fucking worse end for the Daring Do stories, there's no remedy for this worse episode ever
In regards to Ahuizotl's retcon, I think it could be argued that his plan of using the rings to bathe the land in intense heat for centuries back in "Daring Don't" could still tie into his work as guardian of the artifacts, in that he intends to do whatever it takes to keep them from being taken while not necessarily redeeming him. This was still poorly executed and felt very forced, so yeah, this episode really did stink.
So in other words you're saying that Trixie is Trump. You can basically say what's on her mind and you just look the other way and just don't care.
this is why I'm not really invested in g4 much, anymore.