Love the historical accuracy in this one. The shooting of General Fraser by riflemen under General Benedict Arnold's command during the Battle of Saratoga, leading to the British lines breaking and retreating to the redoubt, which was subsequently taken by the pursuing colonists, is all historically accurate. It even accurately shows that the colonists respected General Fraser for bravely rallying his men at the front lines, but had to shoot him to turn the tide of the battle. Plus showing both British army and Hessians. Rare to see this level of accuracy in movies/shows these days!
Saratoga was when the French finally decided that the colonists had a chance. Up until that time they were wary of full support and didn't want to waste resources on a failed rebellion. Without this victory the French probably never get fully involved and without French involvement the Americans don't win the war. The surrender of an entire British Army in NY sent shockwaves around the European world that this wasn't just a band of rabble, this was a serious rebellion.
Honestly wasn't that impressive. The colonists had plenty of manpower, skilled marksmen/frontiersmen, and even better or comparable weaponry/equipment as the British. The 13 colonies was not as much of an underdog as they often make it out to be. Nowadays, It's more impressive that sandal wearing guerillas with outdated rifles, limited medical facilities can stand a chance against heavy artillery, airpower, and advanced weaponry/medicine, which modern powers like the US poses.
@maaz322 this is just simply not true. The Colonists were on the ropes many times throughout the war. Looking back the British had multiple chances to end the war.
@@firingallcylinders2949 I certainly agree with you there. The British could’ve won the war had they played their cards differently. Considering also that most historians believe that only about 1/3 of the population actively supported the revolution, 1/3 were loyalists, and a remaining 1/3 were “sitting on the sidelines to see what happened” at the point of Saratoga we were hardly the picture of solidarity. That being said, my point was essentially that once a large scale rebellion took root, as it had, the rubicon had been crossed and even if the British had won the war it would only be followed by revolt after revolt. America would’ve been a bloodbath. Inevitably, Britain would’ve lost it in the long run, barring some leader willing to make extreme reforms in the British government or some mutual existential threat, I simply see no reason to believe otherwise.
And Bernardo de Galvez, who was more feared by the British than the colonials (among others) and they dedicated more troops and resources against him than in the north, and of course the defeat of the double convoy that left the British troops without resources or supplies (whithout bullet an money no war is possible), apart from the economic and material contribution of the "Spaniards" much greater than that the "greatest conttibuttion" given by France, to then be paid as they were... but well... the medals are awarded by whoever wears them and more so if the one who helped you is someone you more or less despise and fighting afther in time... e lo que hay 🐻🤷♂
I dunno, I feel like they've shown Jamie reload his gear tons of times. There's plenty of battles across this show. Also you could see the other guys reloading around him, do we need to see the protagonist do it each time?
That depends. Is he firing a musket, which is woefully inaccurate at that range, or a Pennsylvania rifle which is hellishly accurate but also takes loooong to reload. The only other option is a Ferguson rifle which can be loaded lying down
In reality, the war of independence was more of a civil war. The colonists were mostly British fighting other Brits. Another totally avoidable conflict caused by short sided politicians and an I'll advised monarch. I really wonder what the world would look like today if the colonists demands has been accommodated and what is now the USA had remained a part of the British Empire? That story could make a good book.
This is almost like saying what if Hitler didn't act like Hitler. Those British politicians saw all the colonist as beneath them, so why would they listen. It's the same way the Optimates in Rome saw the working Roman people as beneath them, which gave rise to Caesar. It would have happened regardless.
@Bikelife9883 There already is a book along those lines. It’s called The Two Georges - co-authored by Harry Turtledove and Richard Dreyfuss. It’s a good read and quite interesting in its view of how the world turns out in such a situation.
Are this scene for real? What I can see is red coats fighting in disordened lines against covered enemy in woods instead charge with bayonets. Besides that they all are shooting with muskets just like rifles and with almost no smoke.
Charging the enemy in covered terrain? The Brits had the advantage in discipline and weapons to “charge” into them would neglect all that not to mention the history’s of battles that the British won primarily by shattering “rebel” morale through fire power. Their line was organized a little chaos but there was a semblance of one they only truely lost formation when their commander was hit and their officers were distracted by it then their withdraw fell apart. What was ridiculous is how every shot hit where they wanted it with a smooth bore rifle and the fact the rebel commander wasn’t shot off his horse charging like a dang lunatic. I do agree with lack of smoke however for cinematic reasons I can forgive
Given a limited number of actors and extras and a limited budget, they do a pretty respectable job with the battle scenes, I have to say. I've seen shows do worse with more, if that makes sense.
One also has to consider that battles in the American Revolution were comparatively much smaller than what would come in the 19th and 20th Centuries. Where battles like Waterloo easily had 100,000+ men on the field, Saratoga would have been closer to around 20,000. Regiments also tended to be smaller, and casualties at the end of a Revolutionary War battle usually remained under 500 killed, even when adding up the dead from both sides. In fact, disease would end up taking more lives over the duration of the conflict than muskets, bayonets, or cannonballs. Of course it would still be larger scale than what we see here, but you get the idea.
American revolution wars are hard fought and required immense bravery and skill. Both sides always giving their all and the British had some of the finest soldiers on the planet along with their fearsome Hessan mercenaries. The Americans used a more asymmetrical approach to overcome the discipline and firepower of the British which is highly commendable
"the British had some of the finest soldiers on the planet" - This must be a joke! They had a fleet. And that was all. Their artillery was weak, the cavalry was a joke and the infantry regiments, even the Poles would beat several at a time.
Most idiotic series, it began in the early 1740's and the backstory for the main protagonist was that he'd served in the French Wild Geese mercenary regiment prior to that, so let's say he was 30. Saratoga was 1778 35+ years later, he'd be pushing 70, at a time when life expectancy was early 50's.
He was around 21/22 when the series began, meaning he’d be like 55/56 at Saratoga. Only about 10 years older than the actor himself. Several Jacobites fought in the American Revolution, notably Hugh Mercer who died at Princeton (was a surgeon at Culloden). Also you’re forgetting that Jamie literally has access to modern medicine thanks to being married to Claire, a 20th century surgeon. Him living that long is not surprising
@STM1066 Re-watch the first series, that isn't the backstory if you pay attention and have knowledge of the Jacobite rebellion and the connection with France and the Wild Geese.
@johnharkness2342 Somewhere in the 2nd series after he committed several cold blooded murders and his former British soldier girlfriend assisted I lost interest, other than to find the timeline increasingly absurd. But yes, I know, it's pseudo drams for the ladies and not a documentary.
I think Daniel Morgan would have been in the part 1 of the previous episode where the Americans are taking positions on the farm where Jamie's buddy get shot in the head, since he lead that unit. But I don't think they actually show him as a character in that scene. I had to go refresh my history on the battle, I misremembered a lot of it.
Por qué no hablan de la ayuda española que, bajo el mando de Gálvez desde Florida, apoyo desde el principio la independencia. Batallas como baton rouge y pensacola fueron victorias importantes para la causa.
I agree with the commentary that says that a separation from British rule was inevitable. The fast increasing population and economic power made a separation inevitable. Could a war have been avoided? 1861 tells us no.
In 1759 during the French and Indian war and with British and French troops fighting in India during a global war, France attempted an invasion of Britain with up to 100,000 troops planned. Britain's home army was depleted. The landing was to be in western Scotland and to raise the clans again in support. But the Royal Navy destroyed the French fleet in Quiberon bay. The invasion was abandoned. The French intended to put Bonnie Prince Charlie on the throne. That was the last gasp for the Jacobites. In 1759, not 1746.
Gen. Hugh Mercer fought at Culloden and also at the battle of Princeton in 1777. Completely plausible when you consider Jamie has Claire who is a modern Dr.
The American colonists only paid ⅕ of the tax an Englishmen back in England had to pay. Did you really expect young Englishmen to fight and die to protect you against the French and their Indian allies, and not be expected to contribute anything towards your own defence? As far as your cry about no taxation without representation, how would that have worked given the level of communications in those days? 3 weeks minimum to send a packet of instructions to a representative for the colonies in the House of Commons? It would be totally unworkable. In any case, for local matters the colonies had their own assemblies which a governor presided over.
Mal.granaderos al frente e infantería ligera a los flancos para apoyar y proteger a la infantería de línea. Donde están???? Al asaltar las empalizadas se ve a los granaderos de Hesse con sus casacas azules aliados de los británicos lanzado granadas.pero dónde están los granaderos britanicos???.
Love the historical accuracy in this one. The shooting of General Fraser by riflemen under General Benedict Arnold's command during the Battle of Saratoga, leading to the British lines breaking and retreating to the redoubt, which was subsequently taken by the pursuing colonists, is all historically accurate. It even accurately shows that the colonists respected General Fraser for bravely rallying his men at the front lines, but had to shoot him to turn the tide of the battle. Plus showing both British army and Hessians. Rare to see this level of accuracy in movies/shows these days!
Display of period Weapons' and uniforms excellent
clean and ironed suits and beards trimmed in expensive barbershops, oh yeah its excellent
Saratoga was when the French finally decided that the colonists had a chance. Up until that time they were wary of full support and didn't want to waste resources on a failed rebellion. Without this victory the French probably never get fully involved and without French involvement the Americans don't win the war. The surrender of an entire British Army in NY sent shockwaves around the European world that this wasn't just a band of rabble, this was a serious rebellion.
Honestly wasn't that impressive. The colonists had plenty of manpower, skilled marksmen/frontiersmen, and even better or comparable weaponry/equipment as the British. The 13 colonies was not as much of an underdog as they often make it out to be.
Nowadays, It's more impressive that sandal wearing guerillas with outdated rifles, limited medical facilities can stand a chance against heavy artillery, airpower, and advanced weaponry/medicine, which modern powers like the US poses.
The French made it end quicker. Once that level of bloodshed was reached it would’ve never been recoverable for the British.
@maaz322 this is just simply not true. The Colonists were on the ropes many times throughout the war. Looking back the British had multiple chances to end the war.
@@firingallcylinders2949 I certainly agree with you there. The British could’ve won the war had they played their cards differently. Considering also that most historians believe that only about 1/3 of the population actively supported the revolution, 1/3 were loyalists, and a remaining 1/3 were “sitting on the sidelines to see what happened” at the point of Saratoga we were hardly the picture of solidarity. That being said, my point was essentially that once a large scale rebellion took root, as it had, the rubicon had been crossed and even if the British had won the war it would only be followed by revolt after revolt. America would’ve been a bloodbath. Inevitably, Britain would’ve lost it in the long run, barring some leader willing to make extreme reforms in the British government or some mutual existential threat, I simply see no reason to believe otherwise.
And Bernardo de Galvez, who was more feared by the British than the colonials (among others) and they dedicated more troops and resources against him than in the north, and of course the defeat of the double convoy that left the British troops without resources or supplies (whithout bullet an money no war is possible), apart from the economic and material contribution of the "Spaniards" much greater than that the "greatest conttibuttion" given by France, to then be paid as they were... but well... the medals are awarded by whoever wears them and more so if the one who helped you is someone you more or less despise and fighting afther in time... e lo que hay 🐻🤷♂
The big gripe is watching the main character and his friends not reload their muskets.
Штуцера даже ..не мушкеты
The scots actually tended to charge after a couple of volleys.
I dunno, I feel like they've shown Jamie reload his gear tons of times. There's plenty of battles across this show. Also you could see the other guys reloading around him, do we need to see the protagonist do it each time?
That depends. Is he firing a musket, which is woefully inaccurate at that range, or a Pennsylvania rifle which is hellishly accurate but also takes loooong to reload. The only other option is a Ferguson rifle which can be loaded lying down
@@IsThisHandleTaken maybe not, it is a tv show. I just think about the real people needing to reload every time.
Love the granaries hats 🎩 😂
Nice to see the Highland great kilts in the charge
british: damn! they got our level 1 boss! we must retreat to fetch the level 2 boss
Them danged Heshins!
My ancestor was at that battle in second command of whitcombs rangers who, with Morgan’s riflemen held off the British till the main forces arrived.
In reality, the war of independence was more of a civil war. The colonists were mostly British fighting other Brits. Another totally avoidable conflict caused by short sided politicians and an I'll advised monarch.
I really wonder what the world would look like today if the colonists demands has been accommodated and what is now the USA had remained a part of the British Empire?
That story could make a good book.
This is almost like saying what if Hitler didn't act like Hitler. Those British politicians saw all the colonist as beneath them, so why would they listen. It's the same way the Optimates in Rome saw the working Roman people as beneath them, which gave rise to Caesar. It would have happened regardless.
@Bikelife9883 There already is a book along those lines. It’s called The Two Georges - co-authored by Harry Turtledove and Richard Dreyfuss. It’s a good read and quite interesting in its view of how the world turns out in such a situation.
Are this scene for real?
What I can see is red coats fighting in disordened lines against covered enemy in woods instead charge with bayonets. Besides that they all are shooting with muskets just like rifles and with almost no smoke.
Charging the enemy in covered terrain? The Brits had the advantage in discipline and weapons to “charge” into them would neglect all that not to mention the history’s of battles that the British won primarily by shattering “rebel” morale through fire power. Their line was organized a little chaos but there was a semblance of one they only truely lost formation when their commander was hit and their officers were distracted by it then their withdraw fell apart. What was ridiculous is how every shot hit where they wanted it with a smooth bore rifle and the fact the rebel commander wasn’t shot off his horse charging like a dang lunatic. I do agree with lack of smoke however for cinematic reasons I can forgive
Given a limited number of actors and extras and a limited budget, they do a pretty respectable job with the battle scenes, I have to say. I've seen shows do worse with more, if that makes sense.
One also has to consider that battles in the American Revolution were comparatively much smaller than what would come in the 19th and 20th Centuries. Where battles like Waterloo easily had 100,000+ men on the field, Saratoga would have been closer to around 20,000. Regiments also tended to be smaller, and casualties at the end of a Revolutionary War battle usually remained under 500 killed, even when adding up the dead from both sides. In fact, disease would end up taking more lives over the duration of the conflict than muskets, bayonets, or cannonballs.
Of course it would still be larger scale than what we see here, but you get the idea.
Jamie: Retreat!
American revolution wars are hard fought and required immense bravery and skill. Both sides always giving their all and the British had some of the finest soldiers on the planet along with their fearsome Hessan mercenaries. The Americans used a more asymmetrical approach to overcome the discipline and firepower of the British which is highly commendable
"the British had some of the finest soldiers on the planet" - This must be a joke! They had a fleet. And that was all. Their artillery was weak, the cavalry was a joke and the infantry regiments, even the Poles would beat several at a time.
Most idiotic series, it began in the early 1740's and the backstory for the main protagonist was that he'd served in the French Wild Geese mercenary regiment prior to that, so let's say he was 30. Saratoga was 1778 35+ years later, he'd be pushing 70, at a time when life expectancy was early 50's.
He was around 21/22 when the series began, meaning he’d be like 55/56 at Saratoga. Only about 10 years older than the actor himself. Several Jacobites fought in the American Revolution, notably Hugh Mercer who died at Princeton (was a surgeon at Culloden).
Also you’re forgetting that Jamie literally has access to modern medicine thanks to being married to Claire, a 20th century surgeon. Him living that long is not surprising
@STM1066 Re-watch the first series, that isn't the backstory if you pay attention and have knowledge of the Jacobite rebellion and the connection with France and the Wild Geese.
It’s a film to entertain
@johnharkness2342 Somewhere in the 2nd series after he committed several cold blooded murders and his former British soldier girlfriend assisted I lost interest, other than to find the timeline increasingly absurd. But yes, I know, it's pseudo drams for the ladies and not a documentary.
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Where was Daniel Morgan?
I think Daniel Morgan would have been in the part 1 of the previous episode where the Americans are taking positions on the farm where Jamie's buddy get shot in the head, since he lead that unit. But I don't think they actually show him as a character in that scene. I had to go refresh my history on the battle, I misremembered a lot of it.
(Battle of Saratoga)
(September,19,-October,7,1777)
(American Revolutionary war)
(Result):(American Victory)
On Land or on the sea, in Europe, NorthAm or even in Asia, All Anglo American wars end in the same result ......... An American victory
@@sanjaytumati wot
Taking extra time to shoot an office who is already down is a massive error when in the age of muzzle loaders, but hey.
Well, he doesn't age... Another highlander...
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Qual essa temporada?
Por qué no hablan de la ayuda española que, bajo el mando de Gálvez desde Florida, apoyo desde el principio la independencia. Batallas como baton rouge y pensacola fueron victorias importantes para la causa.
Exactly. Spain’s involvement was vital, and very much appreciated. ❤️🇪🇸
I agree with the commentary that says that a separation from British rule was inevitable. The fast increasing population and economic power made a separation inevitable. Could a war have been avoided? 1861 tells us no.
Didn't matter who took out Fraser, as long he was taken out.
People forget that without Arnold in this battle....the French wouldn't have joined the Americans.
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In 1759 during the French and Indian war and with British and French troops fighting in India during a global war, France attempted an invasion of Britain with up to 100,000 troops planned. Britain's home army was depleted. The landing was to be in western Scotland and to raise the clans again in support. But the Royal Navy destroyed the French fleet in Quiberon bay. The invasion was abandoned. The French intended to put Bonnie Prince Charlie on the throne. That was the last gasp for the Jacobites. In 1759, not 1746.
Again fantasy picture of the world ho best infantry in that time fled in front of forest rebels
Shit just started to get good when the Oneida (Iroquois) warriors showed up.
Britishs, germans and irishs on the two sides.
De Culloden en 1746 a Saratoga en 1777. Poco creíble.
1777
Highlander...
Gen. Hugh Mercer fought at Culloden and also at the battle of Princeton in 1777. Completely plausible when you consider Jamie has Claire who is a modern Dr.
Англосаксы юморной народ и великий .
А главное - очень мирный)
Old Empire vs his own subject’s revolt.. no representation no tax. Why 🇬🇧Gun safe.. ?? And 🇦🇺🇨🇦…
The American colonists only paid ⅕ of the tax an Englishmen back in England had to pay. Did you really expect young Englishmen to fight and die to protect you against the French and their Indian allies, and not be expected to contribute anything towards your own defence? As far as your cry about no taxation without representation, how would that have worked given the level of communications in those days? 3 weeks minimum to send a packet of instructions to a representative for the colonies in the House of Commons? It would be totally unworkable. In any case, for local matters the colonies had their own assemblies which a governor presided over.
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Jamie leaves Scotland and then stops being ginger.
American vs Brish 😮
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dumb...guy stands and stares alot
Loved outlander then it turned gay literally.
The British were the good guys
History is written by the victors
No they weren’t. Y’all lost cry some more.
@@Lightingwarriornot all the time
@@drakashrakenburgproduction5369 it is most of the time
Both sides were British lol
What's the point of shooting in an open field against an enemy behind cover in the woods? The director's stupidity 🤫
Old rules
Suppression fire?
That would actually happen
Read up on this battle. It DID happen this way.
It literally did happen.
Mal.granaderos al frente e infantería ligera a los flancos para apoyar y proteger a la infantería de línea. Donde están???? Al asaltar las empalizadas se ve a los granaderos de Hesse con sus casacas azules aliados de los británicos lanzado granadas.pero dónde están los granaderos britanicos???.
what no bayonettes anywhere , stupid show
Did you miss the scene where the colonial had a bayonette run through his upper left leg?