Interesting, I just did the power pack two, it's the same thing except without the manifold, but mine came with a procal 4... I'm just surprised you didn't get the procal 4 considering it looks like we did this only 6 months apart from each other. And this is the program that should have come from Ford right from the factory.
From what I have seen in all the video's is the power pack 2 kit is the way to go.. Most of the extra power that is made by that bigger throttle body.. Power gains seem similar..
What is the runner control vent? Mine on my 2020 mustang gt was broken by the plastic engine shroud and I need to know how important it is cuz I need the car for work
If the runner control isn't working, it may trigger a code. Regardless, there should be sensors that tell the PCM if the runners are open or closed so that runs correctly.
Outstanding video. Quick question, is there a reason why this kit is only for the 2015-17 and not till the current models? For the life of me I've looked everywhere for an answer, feel dumb for asking as I'm sure the answer is probably simple but, id just like a clear cut answer...
I'm not sure, but I suspect that the 2018-up intake manifold is already pretty good. The GT350 intake manifold probably isn't much of an improvement over the 2018-up manifold. The do offer a cold air intake and tune: performanceparts.ford.com/part/M-9603-M8B It's nice because it's a factory-quality tune so drivability is going to be fabulous.
@@Mustang-Geek received some further feedback from other people I had asked (yesterday) and they also mentioned the intake manifold 2018+ being marginally different from the GT350's. Just thought I'd come back to share the info. Thanks again!
Can someone tell me how to get this tuned correctly? 4 different tuners have not worked out the terrible air surge in 1st gear. Ford will only give me a calibration/voucher unless I re-purchase the Power Pack 3 for $2,000! Bama and 3 different Dyno tuners could not figure it out and now I don't have a reliable 1st gear.
I have the Power Pack 2 installed with the procal tune on my 2015 gt premium. I want to replace the stock manifold and install the gt 350 manifold. Since I already have the procal tune already would this be just a plug and play?
@@Mustang-Geek No I have the gt350 throttle body installed via the power pack 2 already. I want to install the gt350 manifold and take out the factory gt manifold. Basically I should have just ordered the power pack 3 but got the power pack 2 because of money. That is why I asked can I purchase the just the gt350 manifold and plug and play. I already did the pro cal tune with the [power pack 2 install. I hope that made better sense from my 1st question
I'm in the same situation. Unless Ford Performance has started offering an upgrade, we have to buy PP3 for the manifold and tune. If I do this, I'm gonna sell the throttle body and intake to get some of my money back.
Same scenario here , I own a 2015 mustang gt with a PP2 and once my runners went out the window on my OEM manifold I was forced to buy the PP3 pack because you need the pro cal that’s married with the kit , unfortunately . But once you purchase it apparently you don’t need to go back to stock because it wouldn’t overlap the current tune on the vehicle. As far as my PP2 I will be selling that kit with precautions that they might need to contact ford performance tech line to see if they can still use the kit and tune
The bolts that hold down the rails are the same bolts for the heater hose saddles, if memory serves. So I guess the answer is "yes," but that's because it's part of the process.
Not sure. It's possible. Not sure how much power can be unlocked with the tune and the intake. There may not be peak gains, but gains after the factory manifold falls off in the upper RPM range, for sure.
In theory, a corrugated intake actually flows better than a smooth intake tube. The corrugations allow for engine movement, and have zero impact on flow capacity. See also: why golf balls have dimples: ua-cam.com/video/fcjaxC-e8oY/v-deo.html
This is a Mustang load dyno, not a Dynojet. Don't get hung up on the numbers, but the relative gains and how the stock intake falls off long before the GT350 intake.
@@peteartussee1202 Yes, for what you get, it's a nice setup. This, combined with exhaust, and you've squeezed about as much naturally aspirated horsepower from a Gen 2 as possible without getting into the long block.
This is the best video related to the pp3 pack on UA-cam. I'm curious to see WOT videos on the street and quarter mile times
Thanks for the feedback. I'll see if we can get those additional videos and info to you!
Im litterally getting this for my 15 after getting state reffed in cali, couldnt find stock intake so i had to go this route to be carb legal
That's a big advantage of this kit: 50-state lega!
Interesting, I just did the power pack two, it's the same thing except without the manifold, but mine came with a procal 4... I'm just surprised you didn't get the procal 4 considering it looks like we did this only 6 months apart from each other. And this is the program that should have come from Ford right from the factory.
Thank you I was looking for a video like this. I have had my kid just sitting in the garage.
Glad to help!
From what I have seen in all the video's is the power pack 2 kit is the way to go.. Most of the extra power that is made by that bigger throttle body.. Power gains seem similar..
Fair point. Please share this video!
Great video - impressive as always!
Thanks Uncle Jeremy! ;)
No drive review?
The customer did the drive. On the street, it's a subtle difference.
What is the runner control vent? Mine on my 2020 mustang gt was broken by the plastic engine shroud and I need to know how important it is cuz I need the car for work
If the runner control isn't working, it may trigger a code. Regardless, there should be sensors that tell the PCM if the runners are open or closed so that runs correctly.
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Outstanding video. Quick question, is there a reason why this kit is only for the 2015-17 and not till the current models? For the life of me I've looked everywhere for an answer, feel dumb for asking as I'm sure the answer is probably simple but, id just like a clear cut answer...
I'm not sure, but I suspect that the 2018-up intake manifold is already pretty good. The GT350 intake manifold probably isn't much of an improvement over the 2018-up manifold. The do offer a cold air intake and tune: performanceparts.ford.com/part/M-9603-M8B
It's nice because it's a factory-quality tune so drivability is going to be fabulous.
@@Mustang-Geek thank you very much for the response and honesty!
@@Mustang-Geek received some further feedback from other people I had asked (yesterday) and they also mentioned the intake manifold 2018+ being marginally different from the GT350's. Just thought I'd come back to share the info. Thanks again!
@@El.compa.chuy.21 Yes, my understanding is the 2018+ intake manifold was influenced by the GT350 manifold.
The 2018+ Mustangs already incorporate the redesigned manifold, an upgraded throttle body, and air box.
I have the same setup but I deleted the pro cal 3 is there any way I can get it back
I'd contact FPP and see what they suggest: performanceparts.ford.com/contact-us/
Does the engine cover fit after this install? Great video btw!
I don't think so because the intake is shaped differently.
Can someone tell me how to get this tuned correctly? 4 different tuners have not worked out the terrible air surge in 1st gear. Ford will only give me a calibration/voucher unless I re-purchase the Power Pack 3 for $2,000! Bama and 3 different Dyno tuners could not figure it out and now I don't have a reliable 1st gear.
I understand. I'd talk with a tuner who can use the factory Ford tune as a starting point. Otherwise...the Ford calibration is what you pay for!
How would this pair up with some long tube headers?
Well, but you'll need to update the calibration to compensate for the long tube headers. And it won't be 50-state emissions compliant.
I have the Power Pack 2 installed with the procal tune on my 2015 gt premium. I want to replace the stock manifold and install the gt 350 manifold. Since I already have the procal tune already would this be just a plug and play?
No, if you're installing the new throttle body, you'll need to install the correct tune.
@@Mustang-Geek No I have the gt350 throttle body installed via the power pack 2 already. I want to install the gt350 manifold and take out the factory gt manifold. Basically I should have just ordered the power pack 3 but got the power pack 2 because of money. That is why I asked can I purchase the just the gt350 manifold and plug and play. I already did the pro cal tune with the [power pack 2 install. I hope that made better sense from my 1st question
@@christopherblake3967 Oh, I understand. I think that question is best for the Ford Performance Parts folks. performanceparts.ford.com/contact-us/
I'm in the same situation. Unless Ford Performance has started offering an upgrade, we have to buy PP3 for the manifold and tune. If I do this, I'm gonna sell the throttle body and intake to get some of my money back.
Same scenario here , I own a 2015 mustang gt with a PP2 and once my runners went out the window on my OEM manifold I was forced to buy the PP3 pack because you need the pro cal that’s married with the kit , unfortunately . But once you purchase it apparently you don’t need to go back to stock because it wouldn’t overlap the current tune on the vehicle. As far as my PP2 I will be selling that kit with precautions that they might need to contact ford performance tech line to see if they can still use the kit and tune
do you loosen the fuel rails bolts before you lifted the manifold out?
The bolts that hold down the rails are the same bolts for the heater hose saddles, if memory serves. So I guess the answer is "yes," but that's because it's part of the process.
Can i still get it at dealer?
Yes, I would think so because it's still available from Ford Performance Parts: performanceparts.ford.com/part/M-9452-M8
Is the loss of torque noticeable in the lower rpm range?
Not at all.
Do anyone know the part number of that brake booster vacuum tube? I have a manifold and it didn’t come with it. Help please
I'd check parts.ford.com, a dealer parts counter, or email Ford Performance Parts.
@@Mustang-Geek thanks pal you where correct
@@gt8674 No sweat. Here to help!
I’ve been reading gains of up to 40rwhp on gen3 with the power pack 3, that sound right?
Not sure. It's possible. Not sure how much power can be unlocked with the tune and the intake. There may not be peak gains, but gains after the factory manifold falls off in the upper RPM range, for sure.
Why would they go with a corrugated intake for that would cause air turbulence why not a smooth intake?
In theory, a corrugated intake actually flows better than a smooth intake tube. The corrugations allow for engine movement, and have zero impact on flow capacity. See also: why golf balls have dimples: ua-cam.com/video/fcjaxC-e8oY/v-deo.html
@@Mustang-Geek so by that theory why not make the whole tube corrugated?
@@douglasbaker5949 Expensive and unnecessary.
Can it be used for f150 5.0 2015
Not sure. The tune, surely not. Maybe the intake manifold. You'd need an experienced tuner to calibrate it correctly.
@@Mustang-Geek thanks for the response
It made way too little hp for stock, there’s no way it lost almost 100hp, which equals 25%
This is a Mustang load dyno, not a Dynojet. Don't get hung up on the numbers, but the relative gains and how the stock intake falls off long before the GT350 intake.
You'll see much better gains from a ported 18 mani, PMAS/JLT, and tune from Lund.
@@bootlegger2389 Lund told me none of those aftermarket intakes make more power than the stock airbox.
Great, well done video, but I'm seeing little value for the $$$
I'd argue it's hard to make more power naturally aspirated with better drivability than this package.
What the hell? Why is that car only dynoing at 324? When my 2016 was stock, it dynoed at over 400 wheel
All dynos are different, and this Mustang dyno is especially stingy. Regardless, the before/after gains are what matter.
What's the price of this kit sir?
$1800. Not cheap, but this throttle body, intake, and tune are OEM quality. Zero drivability issues, which cannot be overstated.
@@Mustang-Geek that's really not that bad at all. I appreciate you getting with me. Thank you
@@peteartussee1202 Yes, for what you get, it's a nice setup. This, combined with exhaust, and you've squeezed about as much naturally aspirated horsepower from a Gen 2 as possible without getting into the long block.
You never said you took off the tape lol
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I'll take it!!! Now I just need a mustang 😩 oh wait I do have one!
Now I just need some cash 💸
Can't take it with you :P
Fyi , skip the fuel pump purge it does nothing , it's a waste of time.
Good to know. Thanks!
number #1 get a JLT 120MM or steeda cold air closed box at 121 mm #2 you weren't properly tuned imho go with palm Beach dyno or vmp or Lund racing
This is a factory Ford-quality tune.
@@Mustang-Geek yes but it's garbage ford isn't even a tuning place honestly
@@StevenNeidlein There is a lot more to tuning than just getting good power. Factory-like drivability can't be overstated.