Crossmen Drumline 1992 Finals Lot
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- This is my favorite drumline and show ever. So much passion, power, attack,groove and quality of sound. Ive yet to see a drumline with the cojones that these guys had. Thurston was one of the best writers ever in DCI.
To everyone in this video, THANK YOU!
You did it!
My Dad was in the tenor line and now many years later Im playing tenors
Are you talking about Russ? Russ was an instructor at Johnstown (I marched snareline in high school as a junior and senior) in 1993-94!!
I still hear a touch of amateur and green in this line, though some writing is good...I think alot of people commenting here are subjective...i got secrets no one in DCI could remember!!! start with 70's DCI...work your way through 90s....youll hear tempo relaxed and playing like rock drums...which accounts for the inconsistancies...even the hornlines were greater in the 70s...more unison perfection...eventhough Cadets 83-85 were like 70s DCI...use your ears to hear the FAT and pushed tempo of the 70s and early 80s and then hear the LAG or back side of recent times...if YOU cant hear it YOU are not GOOD ENOUGH!!!
Dude, what are you even talking about?
+BMWMarv
It does not matter what i said, as long as i am right...The BEST as you say, have ONE creed...evaluate WHAT IS said, not HOW it is said...i learned that from others, that are great...
what you are hearing from me, is mixed with what you do not understand.
...1970's studio drummers...
Boston, Chicaco, Journey, Yes...all the fusion bands that have A TON of grease and push the beat...Listen to their DCI counter parts...they push the beat...
listen to the 80's, drummers, they were great, but the tempo was slightly on the backside of the beat...listen to DCI, you will see a parallel compared to 80's drummers. by the late 80's time was not that good...and 90's? good studio drummers but TOTALLY DRAGGING...
Listen to 1970's and early 80's great high school marching bands...you will see their story...
the drumlines and tempo control, got worse and worse. the 70's and early 80's had a impeccable tempo, then slowly and slowly they got sloppier...not until , DCI ensemble instructors kicked in by the late 90's, using metronomes and DCI ensemble techniques, perfected by the CADETS...WASN'T there a HUGE FLUX of DCI'S finest talent teaching high school in the late 90's and NOT BEFORE?
but DCI by the late 90's LOST SOUL, going to fast , adopting the FALL OUT VICTORY over CADETS VS. STAR in the 1993 shoot out, of who marches faster, and plays at higher tempo!!! So eventually, high schools turned into crappy clones of a NOW, SQUARE DCI...
The only high school bands i can stand watching are the top contenders of BOA...
Historical Comparison of Tempo Push:
perfect example: BUDDY RICH....there is a video that shows 1940 - 1987...and ALL HIS SOLOS...
In 1950-60, he was TIGHT, He pushed the beat...but a little less sophisticated, in 1970ish, He pulled on the beat, lost a little of his push, but was more sophisticated... comparison was made from same songs, at same tempos.
DITTO with a video of BILLY COBHAM, from 1960- 1980.
After careful analysis, of a 20 year span, of these musicians and the DCI era counterparts, you will see a parallel through the late 90's...
In the past 25 years, DCI adopted 1993's FAST AND VISUAL as CONVENTION...
Dont you see ALL OF DCI NOW, are born from 1993?
So in conclusion after researching 30 years of musical history, and performance:
It is a fact, that 1970's drummers were better time keepers and pushed the beat, just like the fusion bands and the eras DCI counterparts...
I get thumbs up with my comments from OLD HEADS, that marched 1992 and before...but NO THUMBS UP, from 2000-2015...why is that?
WAIT...HAHA...is your comment addressed to "BRIAN HEAD" or "Stupid N*****"?
your comment is listed as a response to my comment, though it is not addressed me...i saw that later, HAHA...or did you mean to address me, BRIAN HEAD?
anyone else notice that they're marching the smaller "high school" 8-10-12-14 sized tenors instead of the corps sized 10-12-13-14 ones?
1.) there is no such thing as "high school" or "corps" quad sets... Cadets marched smaller toms during the mid 80's and won 3 championships with them...
2.) Crossmen marched 10-12-13-14 with a 6" spok in both 1991 & 1992
I Stomp Conservative Ass What years did the Cadets use them?
If you voted this video "thumbs down" you are, in fact, a bad person. You can't watch this drumline anymore. Get your raggedy little Steven Segal-lovin ass outta here.
@bkbass98 The downvoters probably think there isn’t enough spandex, dancing, or massive drag-triplet decelerandos with sticks above their heads. And they probably believe there’s way too much wrist in the snare technique.
There's space in between those notes. Real feel....almost like Steve Gadd or Tony Williams. Thank you MT for the tasteful writing and effective instruction you provided for so many of us.
Man, Premier drums need a comeback!!
We have 9 snares playing with insane stick heights for much of the show... sure, go ahead and put scoops on the bottom. It's important that folks hear this line.
I made those scoops at Millersville University from a handmade wooden form and vacuum formed Sintra foamed plastic. Black rubber automotive hose for the edge and hole trim. Handmade aluminum clips to attach them ro the bottom snare hoops.. They were one of a kind and only used for '91 and '92, I think.
My life is better because I saw this line in person a few times. THAT was drumming! One particular warmup I saw in Minnesota - I'll remember for the rest of my life.
BUT i still think they got cheated that year --1992...i was in VK that year under Tomus Floatus
...and that is why they kicked so much ass and took so many names. Notice how basic their warm ups are? Forget '93 Star. THIS is THE LINE from the 90s.
Yessireee....
90-92 were just sick, cant say anything bad about any one
I marched and played with both and ones before them. Both had special parts per section of the battery. Each were displayed in different, yet very complex and funky. Thank you Mark"Sick Wit It" Thurston. Love ya.....Teef 87-92 Bones!
90-92 were three amazing years in a row musically
Anyone aware of where snare and tenor charts might be found? Been curious for years.
Before drum corps started wearing dresses.
I like the 2 count/1 note tap off between reps, no time wasted.
Yeah, I thought that was cool too. Shame they didn't win drums, but my goodness was this line still golden, definitely a stand out from the 90s
This is one of my favorite drumlines and books of all time!
THIS! Drumlines now a days worry way too damn much on the pansy ass dancing and cramming as much notes as possible and less on the QS and playing with some damn balls!
I marched Southwind in 92 and remember vividly touring with Crossmen for a large part of tour. Good God, what a JAM the percussion feature portion of the show was! Heads bobbed EVERY TIME to that groove not to mention chops for days and days. I listen to the original source material from Full Circle and I must say the arrangers first brass and percussion nailed it!!!! Damn!
I marched with Southwind in 1982. You were 10 yrs later. Cool
I understand those Premier drums were pure garbage, but I really like the way they look.
@8:24 triplet rolls that will punch you right in the goddamn sternum.....
Wow! You know what you didn't hear the line do? That stupid...
DAT, DAT, DAT, DAT before they play! Exactly how it's supposed to be.
11:40 That snare break...Has been rarely equalled since 1992 FACT!
Yep. It is, indeed, a fact :)
Mark Smith, far right snare, was an instructor at my high school (Seminole) at this time... Such an awesome, intense dude
Legend!
they definitely had a flow and groove 91-92 they made powder coating drum hip and bad a$$
I agree. Great drumline, great show. I listen to the Rainforest section all the time. Boy, I wish the Crossmen would bring back more shows list this one!!
These guys should all be proud of having a top shelf drum line that year....no question, one of the very best that year.
Love this drumming!!! As for hitting the drum, I like to think that lines started to adopt that style playing after this line. Star in 93 did, and I know that BD did 94,95,96 and on did. I was a member of the BD Q5 in 95,96, and a portion of 97, we all had the aggressive approach with this drumline and others in the back of our mind. Awesome vid....except for the breaks. I know it happens but common man!!
David Turner say what???? star 93 adopted crossmen's style from early 90's?!?! I had to read that a few times to make sure my eyes weren't playing tricks.
Nothing could be farther from the truth. My mind is blown with the inaccuracy of that comparison.
David Turner I think everyone still enjoyed having different styles. To be honest nobody seen Star coming. The copy of a copy started 91 with vangaurd and was finalized in 94 by blue devil's soooo. In the drum corps world ... Be like Scott.
Bizarre comment from David Turner... I cannot think of a drumline with a better quality of sound and, groove than 1992 Crossmen. In 1993 they still had this sense of attack but the drums were already being raised a touch. Their groove comes from the arms - more blood flows (looser) than the wrists-only techniques. But, to get a groups of players to buy into a somewhat non-standard approach can take a couple of years (look at Cavaliers from the same era - completely opposite; still great but, with a MUCH stiffer feel because of the LOW end focus and, elbows nailed to the body). Back to David Turner's comment... the only adoptions that I remember as they pertain to the stylistic/techniques of Crossmen and Star involve Crossmen's switch to mylar heads in 1994. Check out 1992 Star clips and 1994 Crossmen clips... there will be times when you won't distinguish between the two lines. But, yeah... 93 Star drumming and 1992 Crossmen drumming are worlds apart. (And, anyone touting the 1993 Star line as something beyond the Crossmen line is either deaf or, a liar.... there simply is not a better snare line to be found on video than the one above...ticks and all. They played flam taps for a reason and inverted those flam taps for the sake of sound - changing the sound. Open. Close. That's why they grooved so hard. Crack that whip. Let those arms swing, not for some fake-hype spider-visual effect alone... but for the sake of SOUND and flow.
As a brass guy who wasn’t alive for half of the 90s, what makes this playing style so unique? I’m asking this out of pure curiosity, not facetiousness. I love the way it sounds, but was there just a different playing technique involved, or what? What made them so untraditional?
@John John Great analysis. These guys melded wrist and arm motion so fluidly. You could see the same thing building in ‘91 as well. There wasn’t the flailing monkey arm technique of today, just efficient power. And you’re dead-on about ‘93 Star. That book was a radical, minimalist departure from what we saw here. I till think they were better in the finals than the Cadets, though, but that’s just me.
Regardless of however many times I hear/see it, the buzz roll quality during the feature ALWAYS turns my head. Unreal.
Brian Hartmann agreed!
Yes! There is no "pulsating" when they play buzz rolls!
Love this line!! Watched them rehearse from camp to DCI East in Allentown. At one time or another, we had at least three of the members teaching my high school line in Coatesville. Chris Johnson, Rob Misner and Brian Tuk all taught me at some point in "The Ville", along with Robbie Robinson for a few years.
those basses oml
12:05 to the end reminds me of a hybrid of Aungst at Cadets and Beddis's writing at Crown. yeah it was Thruston.. i think, but never the less that's what I hear because I was exposed to this later in life.
Dan O’Neal!!!
YES! That high energy, style and groove that is or was Crossmen.
And the flams; I miss flams. Even watching these guys have so many flam exercises is fantastic.
Do they simply not do flams anymore in today’s books?
@@agogobell28 this dude hasn't been watching, there's hella flams, check boston
Man I can’t believe my dad was in this line
BuzJr Cool! Who was he? He was very lucky to be a part of something that sadly is very very rare. Talk to him about it!
Your dad should have a wallet with the letters BMF
If your dad was in this line have him message me. I have an audio cassette the drumline left on the field after retreat in 1993 and I’ve been trying to find someone who marched in their drum line that year.
One of the Snear players want and Marched for the same High School Drum line I marched in Virginia Beach his name is Scott Smith
Congrats! Your dad was on one of the most respected DCI lines ever.
7:35
My favorite line of all time. My line in 93-96 played the exercise at the 7 min mark. Great Great Show!!!
You hate ballet in contemporary drum corps and yet your second favorite drumline of all time belongs to a drum corps which borrows a massive chunk of their visual technique straight from ballet? Man, the hypocrisy is ripe in here!
I'm pretty good at following tempos, including changes -- but that change from 3/4 to 4/4 is very difficult to follow, mostly because of the placement of that "buzz-shot". But I'll take whatever hints I can get, and the right leg of that tenor player on the end is a god-send. There's no question about where 4/4 starts, and that first phrase is clearly exactly 4 measures. I always thought I would eventually make sense of the buzz-shot musically, but now I think it's just randomly thrown in there to throw me off. Honestly, I'll take every angle of this feature I can get.
Holy bass runs!
I really did like this line. Its one of those you always remember...
um, 99% of all the exercises were the same tempo. all the same tempo for the solo. also the beat is kind of dragging / played on the backside.
11:40 to the end... all day long.
best drums 92...
funny cause I think SCV was best drums in '92 and both weren't even top 6. Crossman definitely turned heads this year.
thx 4 sharing this. this was the groove of the 90's
rip bubba.
I remember Thurston LOVED those flam exercises!
open flams!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thas was a fun year watching them all summer!
Ahhh yes.... back in the day of the Crossmen in PA. 6th overall, 4th in drums. Good days indeed.
they got 4th in drums ? what did SCV get that year. That was an all-star line from santa clara.
2nd in field percussion too, only behind cavies
Excellent, outstanding. On of my fav drum breaks in the 90's, brought groove to drum corps
Straight up ballers!! That's how you throw down!! From what I've heard from others and from those who were in this line is that EVERYTHING stopped when these guys warmed up. It was awesome!
is the default stick height vertical? Damn!
It was, yes.
It helps with keeping clean. I make my students do the same when I can focus on it.
TUK! Funny meeting you here.
The playing was high to allow the drum to be be hit and the rebound energy dissipate. Better it goes up and out then into the wrists and spur on carpal tunnel.
Mark Thurston's line. Very nice!!!!
Wow the majority of their exercises are ours I find that funny since our teacher marched spirit not cross men
Space. On. Every. Note.
Diddle. Space. Let it breath between. Singles. Space. Give it some air. Single Hand Triples. Make them open.
This line gets it.
There's space in these notes and I love it
Best bass 5 part ever written right there.
Still my favorite line....dirt and all
Really cool to see a line running exercises off the left in the lot!
Mark Thurston taught spirit at one time.
It was an honor to use these Drums...(Rochester Crusaders Bought them after this season)...this is when drumming was the real deal...we didn't play as many notes but Chris Thompson did a awesome job writing for us and Joey G. was one of the best drum instructors of the day....great job Crossmen....
Looks so great...NO head bobbing, only movement...:STICKS".
Thanks for posting. I've been watching the field show for 25 years. This is my first time seeing the in the lot.
Garfield Cadet exercise double beat from the 80’s
Wow, you're calling out someone for name calling? I guess the term "gay posturing" must have been meant as a compliment.
I don't think a statement really gets any more hypocritical than that. Hahaha.
You can't get any better with this show and this line.
I know those guys!
@Jonathan Roberts Did you March with them and you know Scott Smith
Fast forward to 11:30 that's all you need to know. Awesome!
Thanks Chris!!
i sense a bit of hypocrisy here.
left hands...that is all
The quad break at 12:05 is my favorite out of any I've heard in DCI to date. Does anyone know if a transcription exists anywhere in the depths of the internet?
Not at present, but I'll write it out for you. It'll be handwritten, but legible.
That would very much appreciated.
I'll get to it at some point. The angle is tough, it'll probably be easier to transcribe off the finals vid. That's how I did my Cadets 2005 transcription which you may see on my page if you'd like. Anything you want, snare tenor or bass, let me know.
Really? To date? Also its very simple to hear whats going on.
***** Yes, "to date". Sorry if that hurts your feelings.
ahh Gene bennett haha
DAVE BELOW!!!!
mylar.
Wasn't mylar, but Premiere Tenduras. Tuned non-insanely so the guts resonated some to sound like drums.
David B Do you have any idea what type of Premier HTS series these guys were using? They look like 484s but I could be wrong.
@@tottenhamteacher Sorry but I can't recall.
though clean at some parts, they are on the back side of the tempo...they are NOT pushing or fattening the beat...meaning their pocket is SLIGHTLY suspect, at a VERY picky level...if you compare 80s Cadets and SCV, there is a slightly fatter and smoother pocket
When scoops were invented
Nope. We had scoops at Spirit in 1980.
2012 Bluecoats had (first) the quality of sound, the book, the energy and aggression. After that, I don't give a rip what you do visually. Play first dance last.
I keep trying to find any drumline since with this QS. Someone please take a hint from Thurston and hit the fucking drums! And stop the gay posturing and ballet during the drum features. Hit the drums and then you'll have something to posture about.
:) yep :)
Triplet roll sequence... So many inches