This was a great choice Guys . This is a terrific album , and more people should check it out. The Gary Moore comparisons to Jeff Beck's fusion music around this time is very appropriate . So sadly missed .
Often stated that my two favorite Jazz fusion bands are Colosseum II and Weather Report, so fully on board with this episode once it was uploaded. While my favorite songs off "War Dance" are 'Put It That Way', 'The Inquisition', and 'Star Maiden / Mysterioso / Quasar'.
I am a big fan of this record. What attracted me to it originally was the cover. I love that you chose this album to talk about. A very good, overlooked album.
Looking forward to this Album Study ITPS gentlemen. Listening to the first song, Wardance, and this song rocks hard with great guitar and keyboard virtuosity. Thank you for your expert insights and picking a more obscure prog/prog fusion album.
These guys played our students' union (Sheffield UK - never knew Sheffield USA existed until I checked, _and_ it's the home of Muscle Shoals) touring this album and they were awesome. Had Electric Savage on vinyl but never managed to find the CD for a decent price until the twofer Chad's got came out. Looking forward to listening to War Dance. Like Ken I don't quite see them as fusion, for me more a type of instrumental hard rock. It's amazing to think that bands such as these were pretty mainstream back in the day, enough to warrant a concert on the BBC - I taped the radio concert on cassette but it's long since gone. Also amazing is the diversity of acts they had, on one of the UA-cam clips the presenter is saying that was Richard Digance - I mean, look him up, could he be more different. Saw him live a couple of times, very entertaining but not someone I'd buy an album by.
Awesome pick George. I've only known of this album and band for about a year but getting to hear from all these diverse perspectives helps me appreciate the music so much more.
Great album I remember back in day trying to play those songs on guitar were technically quite difficult , love Gary Moore as a guitarist he knew he was very good , could be a difficult man to work with that's for sure! seen him back in the day with Thin Lizzy then G Force 2 times as supporting band on UK whitesnake tour! RIP G.M.
In my first band Meltdown I was tasked with choosing the songs and we did Fighting Talk. Of course nobody knew what that was we could’ve told the crowd we wrote it lol. The Inquisition is my favorite track. Luis is correct about Gary’s drinking problem. He sounds drunk on Castles.
Really enjoyed this guys. Got this in 1978 at the tender age of 17, and have loved it ever since. Massively underrated compared to RTF, Weather Report etc, as are Brand X - maybe Unorthodox Behaviour one for a future study...
War Dance and Electric Savage are two great albums from this version of the band around this time. Fantastic jazz/rock fusion. I wish Moore had done more. These and 3 tracks off Back On The Streets and some with Cozy Powell. A sadly missed genius.
I agree, Moore should've done more fusion! I own a lot of Gary Moore music & I count 40 total fusion tracks (that I like) - of those all but 11 are from his Colosseum II stint. The rest are from Back On The Streets like you noted, and 4 tracks guesting on Mo Foster's albums Bel Assis & Southern Reunion plus a couple from Gary Boyle's Electric Glide. I don't really consider the Cozy tracks ("Sunset", "Dartmoore") as all-out fusion - more instrumental rock - but there are certainly fusion elements present. "The Blister" is a fusion cooker! "Killer" is like two different styles, the first half is absolutely fusion followed by the last 2 minutes that are a blues/rock guitar workout
@@63mckenzie He did but not fusion (as far as I know) - for example he plays on a few tracks from Airey's K2 Tales Of Triumph And Tragedy (1988). Of course with Greg Lake's 80's band (killer live version of Crimson's "21st Century Schizoid Man"). On Paul Rodgers' Muddy Water Blues & Phil Lynott's Solo in Soho. The oldest Moore recordings I have are actually his 1970 guest appearance on a band called Granny's Intentions' album Honest Injun
@@63mckenzie Yeah I've read that Colosseum II (Hiseman/Airey/Moore/Mole) were all featured along with Rod Argent & Phil Collins. "Variation 7" & "Variations 21 and 22" are cool/kinda fusiony, the rest is too classical for me
Excellent show chaps. I would like to mention a movie / video on youtube called "Jazz Rock and Marriage 1979" It is on the Jon Hiseman channel. As was mentioned on the show, Jon Hiseman was married to the saxophonist Barbara Thompson (both now sadly have died) The video deals with their family life together, rehearsals and performance. It is excellent stuff. This video deals with a time that has passed and a music that (may have) passed. I cannot recommend this enough. Keep up the good work chaps. Love as always
Hello everyone, thanks for the content and thanks for the show Pete and everybody, I'll be tuning in tonight. I like all three of the Colosseum II band but I prefer War Dance and Electric Savage more than the very first one although I still like Strange New Flesh as well. Overall, I favor the instrumental tracks over the ones with the vocalist and I also prefer the more flat-out jazz-fusion-esque compositions, but it's some very ecclectic music, not boring to me and worth being in my collection. Thanks again, peace out ! : )
Strange New Flesh was issued on cd as a 2 disc featuring 10 bonus tracks available nowhere else in 2005. The Dark Side Of The Moog is the instrumental George mentioned.
I saw the Colosseum in the 70’s at, Reading Festival I own some cds 💿 and a dvd by them. Colosseum 2 I still have ever heard anything by them, after all these years. Gary Moore I saw with Thin Lizzy, a truly excellent player, I have to say Blues for Jimi DVD 📀 is an absolute must buy, get it you will not be disappointed.
I enjoyed this album more than I think I do some other fusion albums. Moore seems to give this album some kick that I think other fusion albums lack from the guitar. Favorite track would Last Exit. I think it is an epic and to-the-point way to end the album and as Ken said “this is an inspired pick!”
😃 *I can hardly believe no one has told me about this band ever! I LOVE RTF, Todd Rundgren's Utopia's first album, etc & this fits right in! I just ordered the CDs! Thank you!* *Just in case there are others who just don't know yet, get Alphonse Mouzon's "Mind Transplant" if you like these albums!* 🤘🏼
Yes Mind Transplant = Tommy Bolin greatness (on 5 tracks - Lee Ritenour & Jay Graydon also play on it). The 20 minute "The Real Thing".✔..I also have a Tommy Bolin Archives album called Tommy Bolin & Alphonse Mouzon - Fusion Jam which they call album "warm ups". Two tracks in particular: "Jam Four" (an early version of "Homeward Strut") & "Jam Six"...NOt with Bolin but Mouzon put out some other pretty good fusion records in the 70's (The Essence Of Mystery - no guitars, Funky Snakefoot, Hip Elegy with Philip Catherine, The Man Incognito with Ritenour, Virtue - no guitar, In Search Of A Dream with Catherine) - but nothing as hard-hitting as MT
Reading the liner notes for my 2016 2-fer, and it states The band repaired to Morgan Studio in the late summer of 77 to make the groups third album War Dance !
Gary Moore went back to Thin Lizzy when asked (eg. When Brian Robertson was injured). There's an interview somewhere with Scott Gorham where he says the reason GM left the US tour was that the rest of the band weren't being professional enough! Although GMs time with Thin Lizzy was great (Black Rose is one of my favourite albums + and the concert in Sydney Australia was great) he wasn't the right fit for the band and wanted to be his own man. The concert he organised in Phil's memory (One Night in Dublin is available on DVD - really good). Ken mentioned his time in BBM - there are other live performances eg "At Germany 1993" and another outdoor one, not sure where (search for City of Gold Live - it's the one where he's in a waistcoat!) - they're worth checking out on UA-cam.
I think of this as fusion, not prog but it’s a great partner album to Electric Savage - I’ve had them both from back in the day and they have always been favourites of mine :)
The last time Gary Moore walked out of Thin Lizzy in the middle of a major US tour in July 1979. He got so pissed off about the excessive drug use in the band! I love half of the first Colosseum ll, 1976, and both of the 1977-78 albums! (:
I was always aware of Gary Moore since Still Got the Blues came out. Think I really got into him when he played on Cozy Powell's albums as I really dug Sunset, Killer and The Blister, just to name a few. And I from the Electric Savage album I first listened to off a Rainbow Family compilation album not knowing till years later that it would be Moore playing guitar, and ironically around the same time that I'd finally get to check out the C-II albums which I enjoy immensely! Still need to check out the Variations album however, and I do hope that Esoteric will remaster Electric Savage in the foreseeable future...
Late othe party due to work commitments however George has picked one of my all time favourite albums, bought from a local record shop when it came out back in 77 ( dont know why - it was just one of those things that happened, could have been the cover?) and one of those albums I have listened to more times than I care to remember but which never gets boring. For a long time I used to skip Castles but I can live with it now, and it is that type of song that for some reason they had to put on an album, Rivers on Electric Savage is a bit better though - though it could have been at Gary Moore's insistence due to Song for Donna on his solo album Back on the Streets, which is half an almost Colosseum 2 record with SImon Phillips filling Hiseman's stool - possibly one of the only drummers around at the time who really could. On Back on the Streets since getting into fusion back in the early 2000s I tend to think of flight of the Snow Moose as having more of a McLaughlin/ Mahavishnu vibe. As with Pete Gary Moore is one of my all time favourite guitarists, and while I love his hard rock period my favourite period of his is this one with Col 2. And not forgetting Moore's appearances on some of Cozy Powell's solo albums - e.g. Killer on Over the top with Jack Bruce on bass and Don Airey on keys.And of course Don Airey's contributions to these Col 2 albums was immense. Ken's right about his solo albums all well worth getting and with a bit of progginess here and there - check out Right Arm Overture from All Out. If you want to get the first Col 2 album Strange New Flesh go for the expanded edition with a whole disc full of unreleased and live tracks.
Eric there are 3 songs on Gary’s back on the streets record flight of the snow moose hurricane and what would you rather bee or a wasp that are in this style check them out
I don''t get all the hate for Castles! Have loved this album since 1978 when I saw Colosseum II on the BBC Sight and Sound tv/radio programme, one of the first albums I ever got. Only in recent times I've been listening to some Return To Forever and Stanley Clarke albums that I can clearly hear the influences. 10 out of 10 album.
Really like the album - I'm much more accepting of Gary's vocals, so never skip Castles - Similarly with Rivers on Electric Savage - the notes for that say it was recorded "Live" at the end of a tour. It's worth checking out the Sights and Sounds concert mentioned on UA-cam. Glad Ken also mentioned Grinding Stone by Gary Moore Band (I tend to think of this as his first solo album rather than Back on the Streets) - this is more of a transition from Skid Row, and I love Sail Across The Mountain (more GM vocals!).
Gary is a tremendous guitar player and his vocals? Well he sings much better than given credit for. Does Castles knock me over? No! but I certainly do not have the disdain the 'crew' has for Castles.
To me Grinding Stone wasn't 'fully cooked' yet - a few good tunes (title track, "Energy Dance", "Spirit") but overall Moore hasn't gotten the songwriting down yet - he wrote all of the tracks. To me "Sail Across The Mountain" is just too laid back/mellow & just doesn't hold my interest. Officially released under The Gary Moore Band. Interesting factoid: Jan Schelhaas contributed some keyboards to the album - he's mostly known for his stints in National Head Band (with Lee Kerslake of Uriah Heep - one very good album called Albert One), Caravan & Camel. He also played on Thin Lizzy's Vagabonds of the Western World
@@SmedleyWarIsaRacket Same here, I think Moore's vocals are fine (and got better over time). A little rough at times on some live tracks. When he doesn't overextend himself it sounds pretty good
Luis totally hit the nail on the head saying Moore was always late to the party throughout his career. Flight of the Snow Moose = Scatterbrain 3 yrs later. Parisienne Walkways = Europa 2yrs later. So many ideas are lifted off of RTF, Brand X, Beck on the Colosseum catalogue. He was late to the hard rock/metal scene and sounded 5 years out of date. Same with the Blues, tho I am really glad he found success there. Awesome diverse player, just not a pioneer and with no true direction.
One more thing... Does something about the first song remind anyone else of the opening track on 2112? Don't know quite what it was, maybe some keyboard parts or something???
Andy Pyle was on bass from 74-75 before Murray. Keith Airey was only in the band a few months at the end of 78. Also Moore's Back on the Streets was kind of half a Colosseum II record.
I guess you could also call Back On The Streets a half (or more) Thin Lizzy record - Lynott plays on something like 8 tracks & Downey on 7. Also features the great Simon Phillips on 5 tracks & the oft-overlooked John Mole (from Colosseum II) on 4 tracks
John Mole died in 2006. In the 80s and 90s he was Andrew Lloyd Weber's first call bass player for his west end musicals. A great bass player, here's my version of his solo from 'Desperado': ua-cam.com/video/jcT88XpRdyw/v-deo.html
There are two more versions of Castles 😊 ua-cam.com/video/6Gv19WyrzMc/v-deo.html and ua-cam.com/video/YqIWdmKC3eM/v-deo.html Seems that Mike Starrs is singing so this must be an old song of the band. I bought War Dance and Dregs: Industry Standard in a record store the same day in the 80s. Up to this day I still don’t know which one I like the most. Totally amazing album War Dance! Later on I bought Valentyne Suite and got knocked out by Colosseum I too. So I purchased every album of the band I & II. Strange New Flesh has got negative reviews but I must be one of the 8 people on Earth who love this album with vocals and everything. Jon Hiseman has to be the most underrated drummer of all times.
Ken, if you see this, can you post the name of the store you mentioned and said that it's the best (or your favorite)? Yeah, I stupidly did not write it down when I watched the epsiode 😬
Saw him play with Greg lake after show my friend asked Gary Moore if he stole his licks from Jon McLaughlin....he said NO.....he stole them from Jeff Beck and he stole them from John McLaughlin!!!!
I think the point was though, that even though Still Got the Blues was mildly successful, it was still a few years after the big success of SRV when that kind of blues rock was doing really well.
@@seaoftranquilityprog Not sure how much success SRV had here in the UK, but Still Got The Blues was a mainstream success - 13 in album chart - which was amazing for the time, and got a lot of new people interested in the music - I saw him perform (with The Midnight Blues Band) at Hammersmith Odeon in 1990 - it was great that he involved, and gave credit to, artists like Albert King and Albert Collins.
@@timsmith9953 SRV was a platinum selling artist here in the US during the 80s, and played large halls and arenas. Gary never quite got to that level...though I wish he did.
@@seaoftranquilityprog Yeah, but that's the US. How successful was SRV outside the US in the 80s? When GM released SGTBFY in 1990, it did well in the UK (and was his best selling album in US, but also Top 5 in 6 European countries (No1 in some) and Australia. So, the point about Gary "being behind" may make sense in the US, but (imho) isn't the case in all markets - that flavour of "blues rock" felt new and different. Of course, any debate over who did it first where The Blues is concerned is a bit pointless, and the copyright legal case (Jud's Gallery) just makes me sad/angry... (We both got into GM at the same time with CoP and are therefore probably quite glad that he was playing heavy rock at the time)
I was living in Brazil in the early 90's, still got the blues(for you) sounded as fresh as Madonna's isla bonita sounded in the late 80's, it was my first introduction to the blues. Unbeknowst to me still got the blues has sold more copies than texas flood which is considered by many the best blues album ever
I think 6 of the 8 tracks are very good, Castles is horrible and Major Keys is solid, but not my favorite. The songs from Fighting Talk through Last Exit is a best part of the album. They seemed much more comfortable playing with each other and "in the pocket" musically on those last songs.
Wtf, i've got commercials breaks every couple of minutes !!!!!! I follow Sot since Day1 (i mean literally d1, whene there was less then 100 viewers) n i've nevere had any commercials before, zero. I dunno if this is up to Utube, to Pete, to my browser, to my pc or whatever but this way i can't follow u; i love u guys, u rock but really i can't. I mean 1 stop maybe 2 in one hr i could try to bear it, but tens n tens oh my, never, every single logic n thought n flaw of discussion is complitely annihilated. Ps I usually never comment videos here nor anywhere, but this thing got me so deep i was forced to write :(
We've had ads on SoT for over 5 years...it's nothing new. You shouldn't see more than a couple in an hour show. And, the truth is, you don't have to watch the whole ad run...you can skip them after 5-10 seconds. It's one of the few things that generates any revenue on this channel...all channels over 1000 subscribers have ads. If you knew how little ad revenue generates, and how much time we creators invest in what is pretty much free content for everyone, you'd understand.
@@seaoftranquilityprog Everything u said Pete is right n i'd agree, but as i said from day 1 till last show i saw (Are These Albums Great Because You’re Bored with the Classics?) i had absolutley zero ads n now all of a sudden it was like 50, every couple of minutes : BAM, a new commercial. U confirmed what i've alredy said, 1 or 2 i could accept but not this storm. So if u didn't do any modification/change, do u know what could be the possible cause ? Maybe it's a falut on my end ? Ps I simply use a pc with Firefox as browser Pps Manually i can't skip ads 'cause 99% of the time i listen instead of watching while doing other stuff (like weight lifting, workouts, or other works in the house
@@georgelamie7001 Yes, absolute zero ads before this... i'm not a computer/internet geek at all, my use of pc is very basic, so, at least to my knowledge i've never ad blocker. Firefox, antivurus ecc do regular auto updates, but those updates i guess r common things that happen all the (DAMN) time to everyone so... In a couple of days my Sot (passive) participation went from heaven to hell.
@@angelasesana5060 it's really impossible that you've seen NO ads ever...I've been running ads on SoT since we hit 1K subscribers. There is an ad that runs at the beginning of every episode. There now might be 3-4 that run through the longer ones. 50 is completely impossible.
Great record, as good as electric Savage & maybe a bit 'below' Strange New Flesh (due to the great bonus tracks on the remastered expanded edition). The lineup is Hiseman/Airey/Mole/Moore, their 2nd release of 1977. You've got jazz, symphonic, and some HEAVY rock (thx Gary). We don't have that many examples of Moore's fusion work so this is wonderful/important for that reason alone. Jon Hiseman basically gets away from a more rocking style to return to jazz after this one. "Fighting Talk" just smokes, almost like it's trying to pick a fight with the listener, with Moore & Airey trading some hot licks. The title track is chock full of Moore leads, there's also some funkiness incorporated into the mix with "Major Keys". "Star Maiden / Mysterioso / Quasar" is just flat out fusion mayhem - I love it! "Last Exit" is the band's swan song, a nice way to go out. I wish there were the type of expanded edition that Strange New Flesh received
Gary had a great voice, but it seemed that thru his Career Regardless of whatever style he was playing he would put a over top sappy ballad that didn't fit the rest of the Album, Falling in love with you off of Corridors Power for Example, Nice song with a beautiful melody n solo but really hurts the momentum of the Album!
It's just so weird listening to people referring to "songs" when talking about this kind of music. I'm not being pedantic here, it's just that back in the day we'd never refer to an instrumental as a song, and if anything was fairly long, especially with different sections including instrumental passages, we'd never call it a song even if it did have vocals. Everything was a "track" , derived from the tracks on vinyl I suppose.
The definition and general meaning of "song" has definitely changed over time. It's something I think about now and then. Even with prog rock "songs" that are 5+ minutes, they're not really songs in the traditional sense; they're "pieces", like a "classical piece." This isn't to be pretentious or say they're "more" or "better" than songs, but they literally don't fit the definition of a song. E.g. Close to the Edge is not a song, nor is any instrumental track regardless of length. Still, it doesn't bother me because it's just colloquial language and completely harmless.
@@nectarinedreams7208 Agree with all of that and while it doesn't bother me now, I have to confess that back in the day we were probably musical snobs about it. The follies of youth.
@@seaoftranquilityprog I understand. I just thought since you like some romantic Italian prog like Le Orme you might like some Bocelli. I get some similar vibes.
I like these album studies. The randomness of it too. I make sure I listen to the album before watching as well.
This was a great choice Guys . This is a terrific album , and more people should check it out. The Gary Moore comparisons to Jeff Beck's fusion music around this time is very appropriate . So sadly missed .
Often stated that my two favorite Jazz fusion bands are Colosseum II and Weather Report, so fully on board with this episode once it was uploaded. While my favorite songs off "War Dance" are 'Put It That Way', 'The Inquisition', and 'Star Maiden / Mysterioso / Quasar'.
I am a big fan of this record. What attracted me to it originally was the cover. I love that you chose this album to talk about. A very good, overlooked album.
Great fusion record!
"Fighting talk" reminds me of Stanley Clarke " Lopsy Lu".
Hi Pete. Album Study is such a cool idea. Colosseum II War Dance is a brill album and I listen to it to this day.
Looking forward to this Album Study ITPS gentlemen. Listening to the first song, Wardance, and this song rocks hard with great guitar and keyboard virtuosity. Thank you for your expert insights and picking a more obscure prog/prog fusion album.
Hey Sal, yes I love the opening track too : )
I love that Ken gave a shout-out to Double Decker Records in Allentown, PA. An awesome place.
These guys played our students' union (Sheffield UK - never knew Sheffield USA existed until I checked, _and_ it's the home of Muscle Shoals) touring this album and they were awesome.
Had Electric Savage on vinyl but never managed to find the CD for a decent price until the twofer Chad's got came out. Looking forward to listening to War Dance.
Like Ken I don't quite see them as fusion, for me more a type of instrumental hard rock.
It's amazing to think that bands such as these were pretty mainstream back in the day, enough to warrant a concert on the BBC - I taped the radio concert on cassette but it's long since gone. Also amazing is the diversity of acts they had, on one of the UA-cam clips the presenter is saying that was Richard Digance - I mean, look him up, could he be more different. Saw him live a couple of times, very entertaining but not someone I'd buy an album by.
Awesome pick George. I've only known of this album and band for about a year but getting to hear from all these diverse perspectives helps me appreciate the music so much more.
After 7 spins/. Great album. Fighting talk/ tremendous song. And the INQUISITION/ liked this a lot 👍💯
Gary 👍
The Inquisition = Awesomeness, this group rocks for sure, see you Gary : )
@@LoLavilla82 / phenomenal choice by GEORGE/ 💯 agreed 👍
Great album I remember back in day trying to play those songs on guitar were technically quite difficult , love Gary Moore as a guitarist he knew he was very good , could be a difficult man to work with that's for sure! seen him back in the day with Thin Lizzy then G Force 2 times as supporting band on UK whitesnake tour! RIP G.M.
Boy it has been far too many years since I heard this classic!
Another great episode and an awesome pick from George! This is one of my favorite albums
@44:57 *The best Thin Lizzy album is "Legend Of The Black Rose", for sure.* 🤘🏼
For me too!
In my first band Meltdown I was tasked with choosing the songs and we did Fighting Talk. Of course nobody knew what that was we could’ve told the crowd we wrote it lol. The Inquisition is my favorite track.
Luis is correct about Gary’s drinking problem. He sounds drunk on Castles.
😃 *I'm very eager to check out these albums!* 😃
*Anything that can be compared to Return To Forever has got my attention!*
Really enjoyed this guys. Got this in 1978 at the tender age of 17, and have loved it ever since. Massively underrated compared to RTF, Weather Report etc, as are Brand X - maybe Unorthodox Behaviour one for a future study...
War Dance and Electric Savage are two great albums from this version of the band around this time. Fantastic jazz/rock fusion. I wish Moore had done more. These and 3 tracks off Back On The Streets and some with Cozy Powell. A sadly missed genius.
I agree, Moore should've done more fusion! I own a lot of Gary Moore music & I count 40 total fusion tracks (that I like) - of those all but 11 are from his Colosseum II stint. The rest are from Back On The Streets like you noted, and 4 tracks guesting on Mo Foster's albums Bel Assis & Southern Reunion plus a couple from Gary Boyle's Electric Glide. I don't really consider the Cozy tracks ("Sunset", "Dartmoore") as all-out fusion - more instrumental rock - but there are certainly fusion elements present. "The Blister" is a fusion cooker! "Killer" is like two different styles, the first half is absolutely fusion followed by the last 2 minutes that are a blues/rock guitar workout
@@wolf1977 I think he also did some stuff on Don Airey's solo albums too. There's probably plenty of other session work out there.
@@63mckenzie He did but not fusion (as far as I know) - for example he plays on a few tracks from Airey's K2 Tales Of Triumph And Tragedy (1988). Of course with Greg Lake's 80's band (killer live version of Crimson's "21st Century Schizoid Man"). On Paul Rodgers' Muddy Water Blues & Phil Lynott's Solo in Soho. The oldest Moore recordings I have are actually his 1970 guest appearance on a band called Granny's Intentions' album Honest Injun
@@wolf1977 Andrew Lloyd Webber's Variations Album is maybe one of the more out there projects he played on. I feel lucky to have saw him play live.
@@63mckenzie Yeah I've read that Colosseum II (Hiseman/Airey/Moore/Mole) were all featured along with Rod Argent & Phil Collins. "Variation 7" & "Variations 21 and 22" are cool/kinda fusiony, the rest is too classical for me
I've seen Gary Moore credit Don Airey from this time period for helping learn more about theory than he knew earlier in his career.
Thank you gentlemen.
Excellent show chaps. I would like to mention a movie / video on youtube called
"Jazz Rock and Marriage 1979"
It is on the Jon Hiseman channel.
As was mentioned on the show, Jon Hiseman was married to the saxophonist Barbara Thompson (both now sadly have died)
The video deals with their family life together, rehearsals and performance. It is excellent stuff.
This video deals with a time that has passed and a music that (may have) passed.
I cannot recommend this enough.
Keep up the good work chaps.
Love as always
The catalogs of Gary Moore , Don Airey, Neil Murray run deep. A great overlooked Album because of their other projects or bands they played in.
My God, the drums on The Inquisition make my arms tired. Good Lord!
thanks guys
will def check this out 👍😎
Hello everyone, thanks for the content and thanks for the show Pete and everybody, I'll be tuning in tonight. I like all three of the Colosseum II band but I prefer War Dance and Electric Savage more than the very first one although I still like Strange New Flesh as well. Overall, I favor the instrumental tracks over the ones with the vocalist and I also prefer the more flat-out jazz-fusion-esque compositions, but it's some very ecclectic music, not boring to me and worth being in my collection. Thanks again, peace out ! : )
Pretty sure anyone with an ear for good music prefers War Dance and Electric Savage more than the very first one. :)
Louis 👍
Strange New Flesh was issued on cd as a 2 disc featuring 10 bonus tracks available nowhere else in 2005.
The Dark Side Of The Moog is the instrumental George mentioned.
@@shyshift I love those extras on SNF! That album's probably a little weaker than the other two but still good...
Great episode 👍
I saw the Colosseum in the 70’s at, Reading Festival I own some cds 💿 and a dvd by them. Colosseum 2 I still have ever heard anything by them, after all these years. Gary Moore I saw with Thin Lizzy, a truly excellent player, I have to say Blues for Jimi DVD 📀 is an absolute must buy, get it you will not be disappointed.
I enjoyed this album more than I think I do some other fusion albums. Moore seems to give this album some kick that I think other fusion albums lack from the guitar. Favorite track would Last Exit. I think it is an epic and to-the-point way to end the album and as Ken said “this is an inspired pick!”
😃 *I can hardly believe no one has told me about this band ever! I LOVE RTF, Todd Rundgren's Utopia's first album, etc & this fits right in! I just ordered the CDs! Thank you!*
*Just in case there are others who just don't know yet, get Alphonse Mouzon's "Mind Transplant" if you like these albums!* 🤘🏼
Yes Mind Transplant = Tommy Bolin greatness (on 5 tracks - Lee Ritenour & Jay Graydon also play on it). The 20 minute "The Real Thing".✔..I also have a Tommy Bolin Archives album called Tommy Bolin & Alphonse Mouzon - Fusion Jam which they call album "warm ups". Two tracks in particular: "Jam Four" (an early version of "Homeward Strut") & "Jam Six"...NOt with Bolin but Mouzon put out some other pretty good fusion records in the 70's (The Essence Of Mystery - no guitars, Funky Snakefoot, Hip Elegy with Philip Catherine, The Man Incognito with Ritenour, Virtue - no guitar, In Search Of A Dream with Catherine) - but nothing as hard-hitting as MT
Great album that is underrated
Reading the liner notes for my 2016 2-fer, and it states The band repaired to Morgan Studio in the late summer of 77 to make the groups third album War Dance !
Both this and Electric savage are stunning albums 🤘🏻
Ken, I have a boot of BBM playing Paris in '94. As you'd expect, lots of Cream covers and Moore does them justice.
I like the BBM project but always thought they didn't quite live up to their potential on paper to be a great band (given the members)
@@wolf1977 Agreed.
Gary Moore went back to Thin Lizzy when asked (eg. When Brian Robertson was injured). There's an interview somewhere with Scott Gorham where he says the reason GM left the US tour was that the rest of the band weren't being professional enough! Although GMs time with Thin Lizzy was great (Black Rose is one of my favourite albums + and the concert in Sydney Australia was great) he wasn't the right fit for the band and wanted to be his own man. The concert he organised in Phil's memory (One Night in Dublin is available on DVD - really good). Ken mentioned his time in BBM - there are other live performances eg "At Germany 1993" and another outdoor one, not sure where (search for City of Gold Live - it's the one where he's in a waistcoat!) - they're worth checking out on UA-cam.
I think of this as fusion, not prog but it’s a great partner album to Electric Savage - I’ve had them both from back in the day and they have always been favourites of mine :)
I'm with you. Always been fusion to me. Never got a prog vibe from it.
I saw Gary with Lizzy in 78, but I had no idea who he was at the time. I was expecting to see Robertson.
Cozy Powell over the top has Gary and Don, some great tracks on that 👍🏻
The last time Gary Moore walked out of Thin Lizzy in the middle of a major US tour in July 1979. He got so pissed off about the excessive drug use in the band!
I love half of the first Colosseum ll, 1976, and both of the 1977-78 albums! (:
I was always aware of Gary Moore since Still Got the Blues came out. Think I really got into him when he played on Cozy Powell's albums as I really dug Sunset, Killer and The Blister, just to name a few. And I from the Electric Savage album I first listened to off a Rainbow Family compilation album not knowing till years later that it would be Moore playing guitar, and ironically around the same time that I'd finally get to check out the C-II albums which I enjoy immensely!
Still need to check out the Variations album however, and I do hope that Esoteric will remaster Electric Savage in the foreseeable future...
Late othe party due to work commitments however George has picked one of my all time favourite albums, bought from a local record shop when it came out back in 77 ( dont know why - it was just one of those things that happened, could have been the cover?) and one of those albums I have listened to more times than I care to remember but which never gets boring.
For a long time I used to skip Castles but I can live with it now, and it is that type of song that for some reason they had to put on an album, Rivers on Electric Savage is a bit better though - though it could have been at Gary Moore's insistence due to Song for Donna on his solo album Back on the Streets, which is half an almost Colosseum 2 record with SImon Phillips filling Hiseman's stool - possibly one of the only drummers around at the time who really could.
On Back on the Streets since getting into fusion back in the early 2000s I tend to think of flight of the Snow Moose as having more of a McLaughlin/ Mahavishnu vibe. As with Pete Gary Moore is one of my all time favourite guitarists, and while I love his hard rock period my favourite period of his is this one with Col 2.
And not forgetting Moore's appearances on some of Cozy Powell's solo albums - e.g. Killer on Over the top with Jack Bruce on bass and Don Airey on keys.And of course Don Airey's contributions to these Col 2 albums was immense. Ken's right about his solo albums all well worth getting and with a bit of progginess here and there - check out Right Arm Overture from All Out.
If you want to get the first Col 2 album Strange New Flesh go for the expanded edition with a whole disc full of unreleased and live tracks.
Eric there are 3 songs on Gary’s back on the streets record flight of the snow moose hurricane and what would you rather bee or a wasp that are in this style check them out
Thanks Richard! I’ve heard the album, but it’s been many many years
NICE VIDEO...
I don''t get all the hate for Castles! Have loved this album since 1978 when I saw Colosseum II on the BBC Sight and Sound tv/radio programme, one of the first albums I ever got. Only in recent times I've been listening to some Return To Forever and Stanley Clarke albums that I can clearly hear the influences. 10 out of 10 album.
I don’t get it either but from watching the show for awhile I know the guys don’t like when they have vocal tracks in this genera
Colosseum just put out a rekkid last year. Malcolm Mortimore on drums.
Really like the album - I'm much more accepting of Gary's vocals, so never skip Castles - Similarly with Rivers on Electric Savage - the notes for that say it was recorded "Live" at the end of a tour. It's worth checking out the Sights and Sounds concert mentioned on UA-cam. Glad Ken also mentioned Grinding Stone by Gary Moore Band (I tend to think of this as his first solo album rather than Back on the Streets) - this is more of a transition from Skid Row, and I love Sail Across The Mountain (more GM vocals!).
Gary is a tremendous guitar player and his vocals? Well he sings much better than given credit for.
Does Castles knock me over? No! but I certainly do not have the disdain the 'crew' has for Castles.
To me Grinding Stone wasn't 'fully cooked' yet - a few good tunes (title track, "Energy Dance", "Spirit") but overall Moore hasn't gotten the songwriting down yet - he wrote all of the tracks. To me "Sail Across The Mountain" is just too laid back/mellow & just doesn't hold my interest. Officially released under The Gary Moore Band. Interesting factoid: Jan Schelhaas contributed some keyboards to the album - he's mostly known for his stints in National Head Band (with Lee Kerslake of Uriah Heep - one very good album called Albert One), Caravan & Camel. He also played on Thin Lizzy's Vagabonds of the Western World
@@SmedleyWarIsaRacket Same here, I think Moore's vocals are fine (and got better over time). A little rough at times on some live tracks. When he doesn't overextend himself it sounds pretty good
Luis totally hit the nail on the head saying Moore was always late to the party throughout his career. Flight of the Snow Moose = Scatterbrain 3 yrs later. Parisienne Walkways = Europa 2yrs later. So many ideas are lifted off of RTF, Brand X, Beck on the Colosseum catalogue. He was late to the hard rock/metal scene and sounded 5 years out of date. Same with the Blues, tho I am really glad he found success there. Awesome diverse player, just not a pioneer and with no true direction.
One more thing... Does something about the first song remind anyone else of the opening track on 2112? Don't know quite what it was, maybe some keyboard parts or something???
Andy Pyle was on bass from 74-75 before Murray. Keith Airey was only in the band a few months at the end of 78. Also Moore's Back on the Streets was kind of half a Colosseum II record.
I guess you could also call Back On The Streets a half (or more) Thin Lizzy record - Lynott plays on something like 8 tracks & Downey on 7. Also features the great Simon Phillips on 5 tracks & the oft-overlooked John Mole (from Colosseum II) on 4 tracks
@@wolf1977 Mole was great. This is my cover of his 'Desperado' solo: ua-cam.com/video/jcT88XpRdyw/v-deo.html
John Mole died in 2006. In the 80s and 90s he was Andrew Lloyd Weber's first call bass player for his west end musicals. A great bass player, here's my version of his solo from 'Desperado': ua-cam.com/video/jcT88XpRdyw/v-deo.html
There are two more versions of Castles 😊 ua-cam.com/video/6Gv19WyrzMc/v-deo.html and ua-cam.com/video/YqIWdmKC3eM/v-deo.html
Seems that Mike Starrs is singing so this must be an old song of the band.
I bought War Dance and Dregs: Industry Standard in a record store the same day in the 80s. Up to this day I still don’t know which one I like the most. Totally amazing album War Dance! Later on I bought Valentyne Suite and got knocked out by Colosseum I too. So I purchased every album of the band I & II. Strange New Flesh has got negative reviews but I must be one of the 8 people on Earth who love this album with vocals and everything.
Jon Hiseman has to be the most underrated drummer of all times.
BBM : Around the next Dream
Ken, if you see this, can you post the name of the store you mentioned and said that it's the best (or your favorite)? Yeah, I stupidly did not write it down when I watched the epsiode 😬
Double Decker Records in Allentown, PA
@@lasercd7851 Thank you 🙂
Saw him play with Greg lake after show my friend asked Gary Moore if he stole his licks from Jon McLaughlin....he said NO.....he stole them from Jeff Beck and he stole them from John McLaughlin!!!!
Great story - that sounds like Gary back then, he was very chilled!
If you like this, you'll probably like Isotope and Brand X.
Has Steven Reid left the Prog Seat show?
No, thankfully! He's cut back a bit here, is all.
@@georgelamie7001 Good to know.
Luis, are you into Merzbow?
Gary Moore wasn't always behind, his "Still Got The Blues" album got lots of airplay in 1990
I think the point was though, that even though Still Got the Blues was mildly successful, it was still a few years after the big success of SRV when that kind of blues rock was doing really well.
@@seaoftranquilityprog Not sure how much success SRV had here in the UK, but Still Got The Blues was a mainstream success - 13 in album chart - which was amazing for the time, and got a lot of new people interested in the music - I saw him perform (with The Midnight Blues Band) at Hammersmith Odeon in 1990 - it was great that he involved, and gave credit to, artists like Albert King and Albert Collins.
@@timsmith9953 SRV was a platinum selling artist here in the US during the 80s, and played large halls and arenas. Gary never quite got to that level...though I wish he did.
@@seaoftranquilityprog Yeah, but that's the US. How successful was SRV outside the US in the 80s? When GM released SGTBFY in 1990, it did well in the UK (and was his best selling album in US, but also Top 5 in 6 European countries (No1 in some) and Australia. So, the point about Gary "being behind" may make sense in the US, but (imho) isn't the case in all markets - that flavour of "blues rock" felt new and different. Of course, any debate over who did it first where The Blues is concerned is a bit pointless, and the copyright legal case (Jud's Gallery) just makes me sad/angry... (We both got into GM at the same time with CoP and are therefore probably quite glad that he was playing heavy rock at the time)
I was living in Brazil in the early 90's, still got the blues(for you) sounded as fresh as Madonna's isla bonita sounded in the late 80's, it was my first introduction to the blues. Unbeknowst to me still got the blues has sold more copies than texas flood which is considered by many the best blues album ever
Gary Moore admired Hiseman.😀❤️
Live footage from this line up, not great visual quality but rare. ua-cam.com/video/BwvzYvyBZT4/v-deo.html
I think 6 of the 8 tracks are very good, Castles is horrible and Major Keys is solid, but not my favorite. The songs from Fighting Talk through Last Exit is a best part of the album. They seemed much more comfortable playing with each other and "in the pocket" musically on those last songs.
Wtf, i've got commercials breaks every couple of minutes !!!!!! I follow Sot since Day1 (i mean literally d1, whene there was less then 100 viewers) n i've nevere had any commercials before, zero. I dunno if this is up to Utube, to Pete, to my browser, to my pc or whatever but this way i can't follow u; i love u guys, u rock but really i can't. I mean 1 stop maybe 2 in one hr i could try to bear it, but tens n tens oh my, never, every single logic n thought n flaw of discussion is complitely annihilated.
Ps I usually never comment videos here nor anywhere, but this thing got me so deep i was forced to write :(
We've had ads on SoT for over 5 years...it's nothing new. You shouldn't see more than a couple in an hour show. And, the truth is, you don't have to watch the whole ad run...you can skip them after 5-10 seconds. It's one of the few things that generates any revenue on this channel...all channels over 1000 subscribers have ads. If you knew how little ad revenue generates, and how much time we creators invest in what is pretty much free content for everyone, you'd understand.
@@seaoftranquilityprog Everything u said Pete is right n i'd agree, but as i said from day 1 till last show i saw (Are These Albums Great Because You’re Bored with the Classics?) i had absolutley zero ads n now all of a sudden it was like 50, every couple of minutes : BAM, a new commercial. U confirmed what i've alredy said, 1 or 2 i could accept but not this storm. So if u didn't do any modification/change, do u know what could be the possible cause ? Maybe it's a falut on my end ?
Ps I simply use a pc with Firefox as browser
Pps Manually i can't skip ads 'cause 99% of the time i listen instead of watching while doing other stuff (like weight lifting, workouts, or other works in the house
@@angelasesana5060 ZERO ads beofre this? Is it possible you had an ad blocker installed before, and something is amiss with that now? That's my guess
@@georgelamie7001 Yes, absolute zero ads before this... i'm not a computer/internet geek at all, my use of pc is very basic, so, at least to my knowledge i've never ad blocker. Firefox, antivurus ecc do regular auto updates, but those updates i guess r common things that happen all the (DAMN) time to everyone so... In a couple of days my Sot (passive) participation went from heaven to hell.
@@angelasesana5060 it's really impossible that you've seen NO ads ever...I've been running ads on SoT since we hit 1K subscribers. There is an ad that runs at the beginning of every episode. There now might be 3-4 that run through the longer ones. 50 is completely impossible.
Great record, as good as electric Savage & maybe a bit 'below' Strange New Flesh (due to the great bonus tracks on the remastered expanded edition). The lineup is Hiseman/Airey/Mole/Moore, their 2nd release of 1977. You've got jazz, symphonic, and some HEAVY rock (thx Gary). We don't have that many examples of Moore's fusion work so this is wonderful/important for that reason alone. Jon Hiseman basically gets away from a more rocking style to return to jazz after this one. "Fighting Talk" just smokes, almost like it's trying to pick a fight with the listener, with Moore & Airey trading some hot licks. The title track is chock full of Moore leads, there's also some funkiness incorporated into the mix with "Major Keys". "Star Maiden / Mysterioso / Quasar" is just flat out fusion mayhem - I love it! "Last Exit" is the band's swan song, a nice way to go out. I wish there were the type of expanded edition that Strange New Flesh received
Gary had a great voice, but it seemed that thru his Career Regardless of whatever style he was playing he would put a over top sappy ballad that didn't fit the rest of the Album, Falling in love with you off of Corridors Power for Example, Nice song with a beautiful melody n solo but really hurts the momentum of the Album!
Sorry guys, but O like Castles as well as the other tracks.
Hey Pete . . It would be nice if you could bring back the prog girl from England. 😎
Good albums, but not near "Valentyne Suite" and their fantastic live album😊
That's a diff group
It's just so weird listening to people referring to "songs" when talking about this kind of music. I'm not being pedantic here, it's just that back in the day we'd never refer to an instrumental as a song, and if anything was fairly long, especially with different sections including instrumental passages, we'd never call it a song even if it did have vocals. Everything was a "track" , derived from the tracks on vinyl I suppose.
The definition and general meaning of "song" has definitely changed over time. It's something I think about now and then. Even with prog rock "songs" that are 5+ minutes, they're not really songs in the traditional sense; they're "pieces", like a "classical piece." This isn't to be pretentious or say they're "more" or "better" than songs, but they literally don't fit the definition of a song. E.g. Close to the Edge is not a song, nor is any instrumental track regardless of length. Still, it doesn't bother me because it's just colloquial language and completely harmless.
@@nectarinedreams7208 Agree with all of that and while it doesn't bother me now, I have to confess that back in the day we were probably musical snobs about it. The follies of youth.
Pete, can you rank the albums of Andrea Bocelli?
Why?
@@seaoftranquilityprog He has some great albums!
@@bertkarlsson1421 that may very well be, but opera isn't my thing nor SOT worthy
@@seaoftranquilityprog I understand. I just thought since you like some romantic Italian prog like Le Orme you might like some Bocelli. I get some similar vibes.
Not my cup of tea