Can Nissan Beat The Highlander And Pilot? | 2022 Nissan Pathfinder First Drive
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2021
- Nissan isn't playing games with their new 2022 Pathfinder. The next generation 3-row crossover has more of everything families are looking for, along with more towing capability than the competition and more family friendly touches than Honda and Toyota put together. On top of everything they finally killed off the thing so many shoppers complained about: the CVT. What replaces it? A slightly less controversial ZF-sourced 9-speed...
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Just before watching Alex's review, I read the review in Car&Driver and again realized how lazy and unprofessional those traditional reviewers/magazines have become and how good the UA-cam reviews like this has become.
While this is an excellent review, how is C/D's review either lazy or unprofessional?
Exactly, UA-cam (especially AoA) makes car magazines and their websites irrelevant in my opinion.
@@joec1774 have you read it? I thought it would be evident. Here are some pointers - 1) compares top trim of pathfinder (~$46000) with top trim of telluride ($45000) and declares it's so-so value without going into any detail of trim levels and options. 2) declares stiff ride a con.. Compare how Alex analyzes the new suspension. 3) just tells that new 9 speed is better than old CVT. No details 4)Tells this about the previous pathfinder "its small third-row seat typified the compromised accommodations of mid-size SUVs". Before telluride/palisade twin pathfinder had better third row than competitors.
@@rajeshbhattacharjee2989 You do understand the constraints of a written word medium vs. the ability to do long form video, correct? None of the above represents laziness, it represents the attention span of an average reader on a website. To be clear, I'm not disputing Alex's reviews at all; he's awesome - thorough, comprehensive, and engaging. But you're comparing apples and bananas here.
@@joec1774 yes, I do understand the constraints of written words as seems like some people seriously lack reading comprehension skill. My point 1,2,4 clearly tell 3 things that were wrong. Only pt 3 talks about details that may not be possible to include in a written review. Do you work for C&D BTW? You are taking this way personally.
Nissan's latest products have really been excellent. Is Nissan cool again??!! Maybe that time is coming. This Pathfinder is fantastic!
I totally agree! I hope Nissan is able to make a comeback!!
Depends on how many AT transmission they will release in the future
@@Channel-gz9hm Agreed. Not the Altima. I was referring to the new Sentra, Rouge, Frontier and now Pathfinder.
@@johnholst Aye the Altima is a bit meh, Nissan was still under the thumb of Gohsn when it was released
and it shows when you look closely.
i thought Nissan was Going Out of Business??
Hey Nissan, ditch the CVT and add this transmission to the Maxima and I'll give it serious consideration. I can't think of it as a sports sedan when it has a CVT
Nissan definitely served themselves well by going with the traditional automatic transmission in the Pathfinder.
Word
Yeah I used to own a 1992 then I bought a brand new 1994 and this 1994 is very suck because I can’t make a u-turn in a two lanes I have to back up and go again now I just going back to a 2022 pathfinder again I hoped it’s drives good because I just got it for about two days but I really love the style and inside and mine is a SL trims and it has all the safety features amazing that it has a 360 camera too so good luck to me once I am leaning how to use all those safety features 😂❤️
Hoy me me ticycv uuuh
SO glad the CVT is gone! My biggest complaint about Nissan models!
Dang, Alex you are such a great reviewer. No biases here. I watched Sofyan and yours back to back, and to be honest, i learned a lot more with your review. Especially abt the ZF transmission that seems to be hated on in Honda. Keep it up and stay safe!
I DO learn alot more about key fobs with sofyan..../s
I think Sofyan has a bit more swag.
I want to see Nissan and Mitsubishi come back and compete well with the rising tide of Subaru, Hyundai, and Kia’s models. Glad to see Nissan finally ditching the horrible CVT’s.
Hope Nissan can match the reliability of Toyota+Honda again soon.
I don't know if Mitsubishi can come back but Nissan is definitely coming back STRONG.
@@kanishkthirumala736 it'll take a few years before people will put their trust in this brand again, as for me, I'm staying away from Nissan, from past experiences with the company
@@BusterKitten Agreed. I'll take another chance after I see how they do for at least 5 years. Getting the Jetco crap out is a noteworthy step.
Subaru never rose
Subaru is crap as well. They use the same CVTs Nissan uses (Jatco).
When I buy a new car, I watch alexonauto. He's so detailed I can just buy the car without bother test driving them.
Like I lease Stelvio :)
You should definitely drive your car before buying lol - seats are a deal breaker as I just learned
Great review, Alex.
@@2004cyrus I kinda feel the same way. It's looking like the Palisades is your best bet. I'm definitely going to go check it out first before I rule it out.
@@hovamike I think you would do yourself a great service Mike
Loved the production on this Video Alex, you’ve got the content really nailed, I loved that you took a different approach to the production , perhaps it is the weather but this was just a delight to watch 👌🏾
It's June, borderline summer weather. You sir, brave the cold to film a review video. Dedication. Respect!
IF the Rouge follows suit and dumps the CVT, Im down for one. I actually love the look and feel of Nissans, but refuse to drive them due to the CVTs.
😂
Cvt makes sense for Rogue but not Pathfinder due to towing ability.
Jatco CVTs do not make sense to be put in any vehicle. They belong in the garbage bin.
Manufacturers are focused on fuel efficiency but really there’s no competition against hybrid vehicles. My nee RAV4 gets me 43 mpg and the highlander I’m buying next gives 35 mpg.
@@TacoMonster4eva Aisin 8 speed automatic transmission is fuel efficient and smooth. Personally I love to see zf-8 speed on Nissan Rogue. It will be interesting powertrain.
@@TacoMonster4eva I get that but at the end of the day the rogue is a cuv. No one races those. And on top of that the 60k fluid change seems to fix all the issues people have with them..
Thanks for this very detailed review, Alex. I like how you explain things in a simple manner that most people would understand. I am considering of getting this particular car myself. Hello from Canada.
FYI:
I test drove a 2022 Pathfinder SL 4WD here in Central Texas where it was 100 degrees today on 7.29.21.. the reason I wanted to test drive one was to see how the AC worked because I saw a few reviews that said the AC didn't get cold enough...and they were RIGHT...The AC did NOT get cold enough IN THE 100 degree weather today..
I had the AC set to recycle the air from the inside air with AC button pressed and had it set to the lowest setting which was 60 degrees and the air did not feel crisp enough and would get warmer when u slowed down ,I also un pressed the AC button and that did not help..I own a 2015 Pathfinder SV and the air gets colder in it when I have it set to 70 degrees with the air being recycle from the inside air and the AC button is not pressed..Needless to say I was disappointed..matter of fact we help my mother in law buy a Nissan 2021 Kick last week and the AC gets colder then the New 2022 Pathfinder..Nissan please fix...Here in Texas if the AC isn't cold enough then nothing else matters with all the other new features...I definitely recommend testing one out on a HOT day before buying one..
Drive with the windows down champ!
Excellent review ❤️ You’re my pied piper of vehicle reviews. Can’t wait to see it on your roads for a better dive. Excellence all around friend.
Alex, you are the most knowlegable car tester ever. Perfect for families.
The visual clarity on your videos is so much better than most.
Great very detailed review
Hi Alex, very good review...you really know your stuff!!! Thanks a lot.
Best car reviewer on UA-cam hands down. I learned a lot from this review.
I love the way he has that chart comparing other comparable vehicles. You can get a good idea of the sizes
Same here! Such a valuable measuring tool especially in this segment
Extremely good review. I and my wife are shopping for one now.
I bought the 2022 4WD Platinum Pathfinder. I added many of the options. Excellent SUV. I like the way it drives. I had a 2016 Murano AWD Platinum. The Pathfinder drives like a big Murano. I have this SUV for about 8 months now. It has been absolutely reliable. Very comfortable and performs to my satisfaction. I am not an aggressive driver. I found the Pathfinder performs better and has better fuel efficiency when using premium gasoline. Like the Murano I use premium fuel only. I am extremely satisfied with the Pathfinder.
Pathfinder avec CVT ?
Got me a '23 Platinum a couple weeks ago and love it! Even slightly under MSRP which was nice.
Nissan’s latest cars (Sentra, Rogue, and Altima) are really great with the one exception of the CVT. FINALLY Nissan switched to a traditional automatic. Now I think it would be an easy recommendation for someone that wants to save some money.
They waited until the company called was in corporate turmoil. Don't get too excited until we find out how reliable transmissions from ZF are.
@@rkgsd lmao. ZF transmissions are one the highest regarded transmissions in the industry. The 8 speed and 9 speeds are extraordinarily reliable and durable. Earlier hiccups with the 9 speed were due to programming by the respective manufacturers who use those transmissions. Had zero to do with ZF itself.
Hey Alex, first time viewer here. You are really good at this. I've subscribed.
Alex, Please don't forget the Full Sheet of Plywood Comfort Index Test® when you get it back to A on A World HQ.
The best automobile reviewer on UA-cam. Thank you Alex.
Alex, as always thank you for the great review. I always watch your videos for preliminary research and it has served me well. Honestly, I was never considering the Pathfinder due to the CVT so I’m happy to learn Nissan has dumped it. Back in 2018 I leased a CX-9 after watching your review which I absolutely love my car. Unfortunately my lifestyle needs have changed for my family as we are starting to seriously consider a small boat. The Mazda is amazing and I wish it had a higher tow rating but I need a 4wd/AWD vehicle with a respectable tow rating to safely get the boat around. That said, I had my heart set on the new Grand Cherokee L but this Pathfinder is definitely worth a look. Pricing out both vehicles there is literally a 10k difference for very similar creature comforts and very similar tow ratings (6000 Pathfinder vs 6200 Grand Cherokee L). Personally, I prefer the more refined look of the Grand Cherokee L however just by watching your review it looks like there’s not much of a trade off with this new Pathfinder. Thank you for making my decision that much harder! Keep up the good work kind sir.
@Alex - dude, you are impressive on your delivery. You speed of delivery, the breath of information - all of it. Very impressive delivery of information.
I had to rewind so many times because he talks so fast and what he says is so information-rich!
Stunning! When will you make another review? Please make one showing off-road capabilities.
I like the look overall, and the large letters on back
I like how the steering wheel matches with the new logo
I think they did a really good job on the exterior!!
I get that people like LED lights but I honestly don't care if a car has them. Light bulbs get changed so infrequently (not sure I've ever changed a front turn signal before on one of my cars... generally just brake or head lights). LED light assembly replacements can need circuit boards and are generally expensive from what I've seen so I'd much rather have a plain ol' halogen for something that works fine for indicating and will probably never need to be replaced anyways.
Look forward to testing that. The current CVT equipped Pathfinder tends to ‘hunt’ even more than the 2014 Rogue we had from new.
Really like the layout and adjustability of digital instrument cluster
I have a 2017 Pathfinder. It has been a great vehicle. CVT transmission has been great. Change your fluids like you’re supposed to and you’ll get plenty of life out of it. Only wish for 2022 model is a midnight edition and optional factory installed rear leveling air suspension for towing.
Do you change it at 30 or 60,000 miles?
@@jemjo 60,000 is the book recommendation. Probably earlier if you tow or drive in certain climates
Signed a lease for the Platinum 2 days ago. Notably, the SL is the more "sweet-spot" model price wise but lacked memory seats which were a deal breaker for couples who share the vehicle daily and may have different height requirements. Gave in for the Platinum grudgingly, but overall the Platinum justifies the nearly 5k additional with niceties like wireless charging, wireless CarPlay, Chestnut seat color option, larger touch screen, power-tilt steering, better looking wheels etc which made it less regrettable. Overall a steep price hike so we will see if the vehicle is worth it in the long run. Good review here, looking fwd to owning this vehicle now.
Excellent review
Just bought one the other day! SL color red and black love love it
Alex - Thank you for this comprehensive review. We've been agonizing over buying the 2022 Pathfinder [we have a 2015 SL Premium] or a 2022 Toyota 4 Runner [my wife refuses to buy the Highlander; she thinks it looks like a station wagon]. I have read everything on the web and watched every video available on both trucks. Your review has been the most level headed by far [lots of Nissan haters out there in the automobile industry!] I like that you don't try to be smarmy and flippant in critiquing vehicles. Too many reviewers are unbelievably annoying to listen to! Your overview of the engine is most helpful as I have been worried about this engine and transmission since we have the CVT in the 2015. If you were me [family of 4] would you buy the 2022 Nissan Pathfinder Platinum or the 2022 Toyota 4 Runner Limited? [Surely, Toyota will give the 4 runner a redesign like the Tundra and Tacoma]? Thanks.
It looks pretty good. Losing the CVT is a blessing. The large PATHFINDER text is a bit much, but the exterior looks pretty good. It's stance seems to be a little low to the ground. But it works. It seems odd to me, that a "top of the line" trim uses a manual prop rod for the hood. The interior looks okay. Nothing spectacular. But it appears to be comfortable. The 48" wide interior is awesome. SUV owners occasionally need their rig to carry stuff. And 48"'s ought to work well.
The price is a winner... Alex, thanks for the review. Very thorough and appreciated.
Amazing review... thanks!
I’ve had 7 Pathfinders is in d 1987, and I’m ready for the new one. I always shop the other SUVs and alway come back to Pathfinder. I had given up and now they’re back!
Alex, love the videos, keep up the great work. I can only imagine how much time goes into producing these. Would like your opinion of most comfortable mid size crossover in the $40 to $45ish range. Based strictly on comfort seats and ride (think long road trips). How does the Outback Touring compare to the Pathfinder SL? Are there any other suggestion you would make you feel are more comfortable? Thanks
Wow! Didn't know it was bigger than a Telluride or Palisade. A friend has a Palisade, and I've driven it ... and find it almost uncomfortably big. Good review, as always. Thanks. .
Palisade is tiny compared to a Suburban or Expedition Max.
I loved that you talked about the width of the cargo area so that we know exactly how wide of an object could fit. As an artist, I’m looking for an suv that can fit wider canvases. Please continue that and also if you could add how long of an object could fit that would be great! Love your videos. Always my go to.
just buy a van?
OMG. One of the best, well spoken and detailed reviews I’ve seen. Would love more info on the 46k pricing for the Platinum version, as it’s the one I’d go for. 👏🏼 👏🏼 👏🏼
comprehensive and detailed as per usual! the only thing you miss in your videos are things like turning radius. this matters for this segment.
Alex! You are so lucky you can speak at 2.5 Speed and still be understandable. ;)
This guy is by far the best at this..
I totally agree with you, AWD and 4WD no difference, it depends on the make and design. The only thing is AWD is most computer control, while some 4wd is manual engaged, meaning you had to come out and lock the hubs, but things have change over the years, that 4wd are electronically engaged. Also some 4wd have motor instead of a mechanical connection.
Alex you are still the best in the business
I still don't understand the decision to put what used to be sports car sized tires on huge vehicles that look like they are meant to go offroad.
Love the Land-rover like styling. Very attractive interior too and a refined powertrain . Would certainly pick it over the competition .
Great review! One major design flaw for smaller people. I was able to drive one 2 days ago. I'm 6'4" and mostly liked it. My 5' wife could not see outside from the very low front passenger seat. There was no way to raise the seating position so she could see past the dashboard. Why Nissan, this is an easy fix. Also, how about 4 way lumbar for both front seats? I'm now waiting for the QX60. That front passenger seat height was a dealbreaker.
I’ve seen you’re comments on several Pathfinder videos. Interesting
@@Dgoshy I really wanted the Pathfinder to work for us. QX60 was okay but 5-10k over msrp is ridiculous. Awaiting the new RX now.
@@got_to_roll ok, haha
*The reason why Nissan ditched the CVT for a traditional geared automatic transmission, is because the consumers wanted them to for improved durability and longevity. Almost NO consumers prefer a CVT to traditional automatic tranmissions.*
I don't think most consumers care if a vehicle has a CVT or not
@@theBatmanGoeth2 That's what the mfrs would love to think, but the truth is many do, because CVTs are very failure prone and horrible to drive as well.
I prefer the CVT to avoid the passing downshift lag. Better gas mileage as well.
I would have remarked that the automated liftgate 's opening speed is better than on some other competitors
Alex, I watch your videos all the time because you do the best job of educating the viewer of all the features and ride quality of the vehicle. I have a question about the seat, gas pedal and brake adjustments on the new Pathfinder. My wife is 5 feet tall and she could not adjust these pedals and power seat to be able to drive the car. With the seat pulled all the way forward and the steering wheel telescoped accordingly, she could not reach the gas pedal or brake safely enough to drive the car and be comfortable. Because of this, we have eliminated the Pathfinder before even test driving it. She's never had this problem with any other car we have owned. Surely Nissan needs to know this. She can't be the only short person who can't drive this car because the gas pedal and brake pedal are pushed back too far toward the firewall.
Knowing this, we decided to try other new vehicles. We found the same problem at the Hyundai dealership. She couldn't fit in the Palisade comfortably either for the same reasons as for the Pathfinder. The Santa Fe was better, but not perfect.
We found the same problem with the Ford Explorer and Edge. The Escape worked for her, but it's too little for our family needs.
Yesterday, we tried the Subaru Ascent and it worked perfectly for her. The Honda Pilot fit her perfect also.
Have you heard these complaints before? Are the manufacturers aware of this problem? They are losing potential sales to short people if their products can't be adjusted to accomodate their vertical challenged customers.
I am interested to hear your take on this problem.
James
Nissan finally figured it out! People want a traditional transmission. I bet this will sell. I would highly consider buying one in a few years, just because it takes a few years to work the kinks out.
Wow, you talk so fast as it looks like you trying to have as much info as possible in every minute! ;) Good review
Really glad to see a lot of positives for the Pathfinder. #Smyrnapride.
Great looking vehicle. Hope we get them in the UK before people forget how good Nissan can be.
I think this is the best looking mid size suv. I was thinking of getting my mom a Toyota but considering this.
Love it, a home run!
I hoped I like it because I just got a SL trim for a day and didn’t try it on a high way yet so good luck to me but I already love the style and the interiors 😂🙏❤️
Great decision to move away from the Jatco CVT over to the 9 speed ZF unit. That's a big improvement in reliability.
😮 30mpg in that big of an SUV is amazing!!
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Looks good.. its on my list
I’m excited about this one. Interested to see what the QX60 will be like.
Same here..🤔
Qx60 is pretty much the same function as a Pathfinder with the seats except Qx60 is more lux more stitching and it costs 10k more than the Pathfinder so I just bought a Pathfinder 😂
If Nissan would extend all warranties on engine and transmission I would definitely buy one . They have great designs .
Good review & great Nissan.
Wow that is one organized engine bay!
Its not a CVT but that ZF 9HP speed has been a nightmare in the Jeep products. Think Honda has had some issues with it also. Excellent review as always.
I own a 14 Path SL. I said I would never consider a Nissan ever again. All the transmission issues with the CVT made me fed up with Nissan. Kia Telluride all the way. But this makes me rethink. I do like what Nissan has done. They listened to their customers. I will test drive this when it's available. Telluride is still #1 in my book, but we'll see after the drive.
My wife leased an '18 Sorrento after her 06 Murano which I inherited. That little 4 cyl turbo is simply amazing. And while only mid-level trim, it is still a very, very sharp and enjoyable ride.
Can't find a Sorrento Hybrid in stock anywhere, so she's look at the Rav4.... :O
Wish Nissan had incorporated fog lights on the new Infiniti QX60, like this Pathfinder. I am waiting for mine to be ready later this year.
I think you're the guy to do a chart of AWD systems. A comparison of front/rear torque distribution, both default and max possible. And where in this class you can get an actual LSD, front and rear.
thats a good looking steering wheel
I agree with him about the transmission. I have a CVT Pathfinder, and a 6 speed in a GMC truck. I took the 22 on a test drive, and mentioned to the salesman the transmission didn't shift the way I'd expect it to. I've never driven a 9 speed before though. TBH, I liked the CVT, I thought it was great and very responsive, but the fuel economy was meh, so I'd welcome this if it's better and more fuel efficient. I'm sure I'd get used to its quirks in a week or less.
lots to like. only concern is the engine: it's GDI, not multiport. GDI engines need valve jobs after 50k miles.
Its good to see Nissan actually trying to be competitive again! The interior design language actually reminds me a lot of the Explorer
I like the appearance of this Pathfinder. Would like to test drive one. I have a 16 Subaru Outback with 105,000 miles, but planning to be in market for something where I can sit higher. I like the dash board layout alot. I came from a 2001 Honda Odyssey with 230,000 miles.
We just got this tonight for my wife, we’re very happy with the purchase. A Telluride was $5k over MSRP and we truly were very impressed with the Pathfinder.
Proud of Nissan..this Looks soooo Good to me too...As a Former owner of 3 Nissans in the past i had no problem with any of my cars and can really only say good things about the ones i had ( Dealt with same dealership so they took car of me when it was time for maintenance ). Personally I think they have one of the best looking vehicles in there line up. My opinion...Good review Alex.
we're in mid of June and everyone uploads new Pathfinder in snow
There was an embargo preventing them from talking about it when they drove it a few months back
Love this vehicle
ZF9 is legendary for being problematic. Honda gave it to boot ASAP and went to a homegrown 10 speed.
Better than the junky jatco cvt
You're right about 4wd, AWD.. definitions change and vary. Guys who push narrow definitions have narrow minds 🤣
Would love to see the Acadia on the comparison charts
after seeing toyota lc300 preview which look 99% like a facelift than new design, i am very excited with pathfinder design & of course the upcoming new nissan patrol
It’s a very nice vehicle. The Murano Should be next for a redesign.
Now they need to put that Transmission into the rest of their line up . It go a long way along with new veihles in helping nissan/ infiniti turn things around.
I'm sure the rental car companies will buy them up, if no one else will.
Nissan is cutting their supply to rental companies by huge margins, Ghosn was the person driving sales at any cost now that he is gone you can see the entire brand refocusing itself on being more competitive and earning back its actual customers.
I’m seeing a ton of comments on the CVT. I got an insane deal on my Nissan and I really enjoy the ride and I’ve had no issues with mine at all.
Which Nissan did you buy?
@@AUA-camChannelwithNoName leased a 2020 pathfinder. 300 a month for 12000 mile a year lease for 3 years. I wouldn’t buy a CVT too many issues at home mileage. But for a lease? It’s perfect
I wouldn't term that third row seat comfortable or more comfortable, I would use "more accommodating"
I’m really interested in the pathfinder. It’s around the size I’m looking for..hopefully it’s a good vehicle
My Atlas has a moving map in the instrument panel
@ Alex would you prefer Pathfinder or Calligraphy in terms of interior, reliability, drivability etc ?
I have one, but a roof scoop (either fake or useful) would have made it look amazing.
V6, 9 speed, great style, big plus. I’ll take that one. And it doesn’t have a goofy Toyota/Lexus grill.
One killing the market right now is the Kia