Mo-Skeet is the the best thing I have heard of in a long time. You have to bring it to market. With Lawn Darts being outlawed, this is the yard game we needed, but didn't know we needed.
If you would like to do a show on .22 smoothbores let me know. We had patterned the different variations of "chokes" (there were a few variations of backboring) years ago including the patterning out of a rifled barrel. My family has one of the largest known collections of smoothbores and accessories (clays, throwers, etc). Almost every model and variation produced, even salesman samples.
Also, another cool gun for y’all to throw in the mix for this conversation in regards to the 22 LR shot is a very hard to find Mossberg Targo Model 42 TR. Very cool little single shot bolt action…. Thing. It had rifle sights, but the whole length of the barrel was a smooth bore. But it had an outer threaded muzzle and it came with two ends that were roughly 6” long… one was a smooth bore extension with a choked end on it, and the other end was a short section of RIFLED barrel. So you could shoot either the 22LR shot with no issue, or toss on the rifled barrel end and now you’re shooting 22LR regular bullet projectiles. Very VERY nifty little set up. Friend of mine had one way back in the day, and I was amazed at how accurate it actually was with regular ammo with just that little section of 6” rifled barrel screwed on the end. Anyway…. More neat info for the topic!!!
Trent’s not the only one that sticks around! The podcast is great and 22’s are awesome! They’re what gets most of us into firearms. 🤘 cci rat shot for the win!
I have a Henry Garden Gun. It is an absolute blast (pun intended) to play with. I had never heard of the mo-skeet before but we actually do something similar. We take turns pitching white saltine crackers into the air and seeing who can hit the most. It’s the most fun you can have without doing something illegal 👍
What shot shell are you using? Another commenter said the CCI shot shell sticks in the Henry’s chamber and doesn’t function correctly…I’ve been interested in the garden gun for a while but would want to make sure if I got one that I would be able to shoot multiple rounds from it, otherwise what’s the point. Thanks
@@scotteger6271 The only shells that I have ever used is the CCI shells. I haven’t been able to find and of the brass crimped shells. My little Henry cycles the CCI’s flawlessly so far.
@@scottiehorton2558 Winchester produces crimped shells. They come in a box of 50 rnds. They were about $3.95 a box. That was 2 years ago. Last time I bought any. I've got 2 boxes left of 5 I bought.
I actually have a Winchester model 1890 in 22 short only. A true gallery gun with an octagonal barrel. It's going to need alot of work but it'll be a gorgeous piece of history that goes pew pew.
I may have been the only one left..... but it was worth it. People will never know the utility of the garden gun. And I agree the crimped ammo is the way to go.
/waves hand ; I'm still here, damn good show. I'll correct one thing. 57 hits the velocities rifles achieve in wound track destruction. 22wmr is just a bit short. (ballistic gel nws)
Rossi makes a pump action gallery 22lr…being a smaller company (part of Taurus), I wonder if there was enough interest (like submitting a petition with 100k names or something), if they would make a smooth bore version of the pump gallery 22lr with a bead sight? Come on boys, you’re Vortex, make it happen!! Mo-skeet for the win!!
Hey guys…you left out the one .22 cartridge that started the .22 semi-automatic story…the Winchester Model 1903 which used a proprietary cartridge…the Winchester .22 Automatic…I’m blessed to have my grandfather’s 1903 (made in 1906) along with 600 rounds of ammunition. Coolest rifle ever! 😎😎😎
22 long is an lr case with a 29gr projectile. Before 22lr there was just 22 short n long both pushing a 29gr bullet. Then after that came the long rifle which was just a long with a heavier bullet, typically 40gr. If you have an old .22 revolver that says .22short/long and you try to put long rifles in it they will stick out of the cylinder, because the typically heavier bullet itself will make it too long for the cylinder.
I love my old Ruger Single Six with the .22 MAG Cylinder in it. Shooting it without ears on is what I DON'T love. The report is unbelievably SHARP and loud out of a revolver.
Two things here. That deer was shot at a long distance for the 22 stinger. I shoot deer all the time here in North Carolina with 22lr 40-55 grain solids. It is leagal here and standing broadside, right behind the shoulder, the bullet tumbles. Does more damage through the lunges than you could imagine and exits the other side at 50 yards. A hollow point at that distance will expand but won't penetrate deep enough to reliably kill deer. Second point is the slower bullets absolutely puts the smack on squirrel and rabbit. The full velocity solid bullets zip through so fast they don't cause much truma and the hollow points tear up to much meat. The CBs and the CCI Quiet dump all their energy into the critter and it will flip a squirrel right over backwards! I've lost squirrel with full velocity stuff because they will run and hide before they die. With the CBs and quite they are usually dead right there.
I never knew how much there was out there for the .22, but man am I glad I hung around. I'm going to have to listen to this a couple more times to get everything out of it.
Awesome episode and super insightful, but I think there was an opportunity missed on not making ep 243 about the myriad of 243 cartridges. Episode .308 will be coming up in a couple months...
You brought up the Ruger Single Six revolver that has interchangeable cylinders for 22lr and 22wmr, however, that seems to be pretty popular to me as I own another brand mentioned, the NAA mini revolver that came with 2 cylinders, one for 22lr and one for 22wmr, and I have seen 22 wmr conversion cylinders for the Heritage Rough Rider that is usually seen in 22lr.
243 would be a great video on CF cartridge for sheer variety of ammo in bullet weight, 55gr-87gr vmax, 75gr HP's, sst's and accutips up to 95gr, soft points up to 105gr, Sierra 85gr bthp. Variety is the spice of life and all
The sniper subs are awesome! The cci subs are a hair more reliable, but the sniper subs are very reliable outta a suppressed ar with a 22 bolt carrier. I shoot to about 50 yards or less, usually closer but it is a field mice deleting machine. But all in all if I shoot a box of 50 I may have one jam. Just my 2 cents.
A very enjoyabke eposode! A few comments: 1) I think the reason most of the bullets have such a rounded ogive is to keeo them stable in the slow twist tates. 2) I think another significant advantage of the copper-washed bullets in the "tictical" ammo is that if you drop it in the dirt, there is no lube for the dirt to stick to. 3) With regard to using standard-velocity ammo for ELR, go look at youtube channel "Mard and Sam after work". They comprehensively prove high-velocity ammo is better. 4) Can we have a handgun division for Moskeet? Should be pretty easy to make smooth-bore uppers for your dad's Mark 1 target model! 😁
22s are far and away the best firearm cartridge ever! Id moskeet in a heartbeat, I love shooting shot from my S&W, many nights camping waiting for that thief of a mouse to show itself
Yes , we can reload .22 short and lr. A tool called a casing iron exists , it's first iteration was for making bullet jackets from spent .22 cases , the second version allows for the case to be reprimed with liquid priming compound and then loaded on specialty dies with cast bullets or turned bullets. (.224 to .221) because I am busy and no I didn't wait to listen to the answer. Rcbs made/makes? the first version . A quick search shows Corbin making the first style case iron for bullet jacket making, and the type 2 is now just a resizing die . "Sharpshooter supply" is the first search option under .22lr resizing dies. Skiving the brass cases will be important for expanding bullets , and it's super simple to bond lead cores with borax . You need a way to hold your bullet jackets from just their bases when ready for a core ,put in a baking pan and fill with water so it is about 1/8th inch over the holder . Make a borax paste and paint the insides of the jacket, heat until it bubbles and melts. Add your core , flux exposed core and inner case again . Heat until the lead melts . Let cool . Heat again , cool , form as for expanding projectiles . This will give a heavy brass base, bonded core with preprogrammed jacket . Lead alloy will dictate how fast it needs to go to expand . Old speer bullet designs can be replicated with such methods . All components must be measured by weight for controlling pressures and maintaining accuracy when loading .
Enjoyed this one very much!! My brother and I used to cut a + cut over the hp stingers, and then bending the points in again (as they open up a bit)… very devastating at short range..
Great video. Watched the hole thing through I love the .22 and I know a lot about it but I definitely learned alot more about it if you guys find out more about the 22 do another video
The priming compound that they use to reload the 22LR….. that stuff can also be used to RELOAD your own primers!!! Just search that video…. It’s pretty incredible!
Anschutz knowledge of wax in .22lr barrels had been stated many years ago. Cleaning out the barrel required refouling the barrel for best accuracy. Also the wax cookie around the muzzle verifies adequate wax coating of the full length of the rifling. FYI
.22s that appear to be plain lead have a clear lubricant on them, usually a wax-like substance, that reduces the amount of lead fouling.. They tend to pickup dirt and other contaminants when carried loose in a pocket or pouch. Copper plating like copper alloy cases act as lubricants, reducing the amount of lead fouling without attracting dirt.
32:00 There's a great video by "Mark and Sam After Work", a couple that do some amazing precision and ELR shooting, that actually completely disproves that subsonic ammo is more accurate. They tested several supersonic and subsonic loads at a bunch of distances, including close enough for the supersonic rounds to stay such and far enough that the supersonic rounds spent more time travelling subsonic than supersonic. The end result was that supersonic ammo shoots noticably flatter than subsonic, and that's it; there was no difference in group size between the two types.
Suggestion for video: Boat tail vs rebated boat tail vs flat base bullets. Just starting to get into reloading myself and I think it would be a informative video.
I have seen 22lr reloaded without any special machine. You take the spent case and find a punch or some metal rod the same size as the inside diameter of the case and tap the firing pin indent back out. You can buy the compound to make the primer powder off line I forget where but it is available it comes as separate components that need to be mixed. The same person also reloaded his own pistol primers with the same components. He was able to make reliable 9mm for 3 cents a round during the pandemic by reloaded primers casting his own bullets.
Ritz could have a interesting new market…make clay shaped crackers…normal people would see them at the store and be like WTF?!? Us Mo-Skeet fans would be like, sweet they have my lawn clays in stock!!!
I have used the CCI Quiet .22 Segmented to great effect on wood chucks in a city/urban environment AKA a city in wisconsin. CB speeds, but way more damage.
I Love the CCI quite. Stupid silent, but they will go through a double layer of thin fiberglass, and then in and out of a plastic 5 gal bucket, at 50 yards. Has like 36" drop at 100 yards, and like 1.5 second flight time.
With all the .22lr long range popularity, can we do a video on the right glass for a long range .22 rifle given the extreme drops and drift that can be involved +300yd???
.22lr ammo isn't capable of much accuracy beyond 100 yards as the bullet loses too much energy. 150 yards is pushing it. At 200 yards the bullets drop over 3 feet and have maybe half their energy left so there's no point in spending big money on a scope for a .22. I have a cheap K-Mart scope and I can hit empty 12 gauge casings at 50 yds.
@@wsbill14224 absolutely incorrect…there are guys pushing these rounds past 300 yards with insane accuracy. The thing is you have to be focused on the right ammo. Listen to the video again where they start talking about staying sub-sonic from the start so the projectile loses far less velocity and stability from the trans-sonic switch. There are great deals to be had if you shop around. A friend of mine just sent me a deal he found on a Viper PST Gen 2 with exposed turrets and excellent glass for a little over $600. Put that on a CZ 22LR in a chassis and you’d have one heck of an accurate 22 setup for long range plinking.
@@scotteger6271 I'm glad they're having so much fun because that's what it's all about but you and I have different ideas about what insane accuracy means. Any significant wind will blow 22lr rounds all over the place at 300 yards and there's almost no energy left. The charts will tell you that there's no need to argue the point. I would say 22lr is accurate at 50 yards, somewhat accurate at 100, and dicey after that. We have different ideas about accuracy and we were never into shooting paper we liked to shoot things so some energy is needed on impact.
First few shots at 50 yards with the Colibri rounds (420fps) I had no impact, so I held on target and watched next to the rifle where they were going... they hit the dirt about half way. This was with a 100 yard zero (standard velocity).
Outstanding episode, as always. Suggestion for a future podcast: The PRC line of cartridges - 6.5 (which appears to be very popular with the long distance crowd), 7 (included in SAAMI just this year), and the .300. Are there any others on the horizon? Think they'll sink or swim? Thanks, folks.
Considering that Ryan openly dislikes the 7mm Rem Mag (mostly because its so inefficient compared to 7mm-08) I'd be very curious to see his opinion on the 7 PRC, which I have seen early evidence is more efficient than 7 Rem Mag.
I'd love to hear more about that BB gun dragon fly story. I've never heard anyone else claim to have done that. One time at my grandpa's cabin I sat on the pier with his old BB gun for hours trying to lead dragonflies as they zipped around above the water catching midges and things to eat. I'd shot one off a leaf before, but I wanted to hit one in flight. Their flight patterns are so erratic it's almost impossible to track them, but after many hours and probably a thousand BBs I hit one. It dropped into the water and wriggled as it drifted downstream until a bass gulped it. I think anyone within a mile probably heard me whooping and yelling. Proudest shot of my life. I think I want it included in my epitaph when I'm buried.
They mentioned that some gun's like certain types of casing thickness. I wonder if down the road that everyone will be using that trick to request another type of measurement on ammunition boxes. I could see it be included on ball type ammo.
@@HarrisonCountyStudio it helps to make more sense as to the cost difference between “bulk” ammo and higher end stuff, like Ely Match or the Lapua stuff. Good to know that if you have the time/desire you can make the bulk stuff perform better.
Using .22 shells for bullet jackets was a ploy of the 1950s and 60s benchrest shooters who could not buy really accurate bullets, so they made them. Bieler and Astle used to make swag ing dies and presses for the job.
This is an awesome episode of an awesome podcast. Rats are awesome pets. Neither kind of 22 shot styles feed well in an automatic (well, either TX22 or LCP II 22), and I thought a revolver would do better, but I had not considered the rifled bore problem. Thanks for this! :-)
Used to shoot red and flying squirrels in the house with a crossman pump BB gun. It left blood splatter all over the drywall but never penetrated the drywall. Had massive 30’ cathedral ceiling. Always kept the BB gun ready in the living room. Maine allows “22 magnum rimfire” or larger for hunting all game. So if you want to get a moose with a 22 mag you can. No word on 17 wsm or 204 ruger in the book.
22 long rifle center fire brass are now available that take small rifle or pistol primers. I'm swaging 60 grain lead bullets and getting average MV's of 1040 fps with small charges of #9. 1/9 twist. Current problem is no primers available.
There's a vintage .22 Short only semi-auto rifle. I believe it was a Winchester but I can't recall the model. I saw one at a gunsmith's. He told me subsonic ammo wouldn't cycle the action & he was looking for standard ammo to test it.
Love your podcast. I've been shooting .22lr since the 1970's and I have yet to see anyone shoot .22 long. Not certain but I think it's been obsolete for decades. I've seen .22 shorts and .22 magnum but not .22 long. Dodo bird I think. Question: If your gun is chambered in .22lr can't you shoot any 22 caliber ammo in it?
22 CB cap (conical breech cap) is a more powerful version of the . 22 BB cap (aka: 6mm Flobert) rimfire metallic cartridge, which was invented by Louis-Nicolas Flobert in 1845. The . 22 BB cap and . 22 CB cap are interchangeable and are relatively quiet, low velocity cartridges, designed for indoor target shooting.
Love my 22s n so do my kids we have a blast. I have the bird shot can’t find use for them. I did not kno about that 60gr gonna have to look around for some I’m no sniper but we do hunt squirrel n rabbit
I’m a very experienced shooter. The young folk are forever dismissive of the lethality of the .22 rimfire. I’m sure somebody listened to the mule deer story and will conclude this as evidence. Many deer have been killed with .22, with many more wounded and killed and not recovered. My point, about 15 years ago some idiots acquired a .22 rifle in a home theft. They proceeded to drive around town plinking at everything. Bored with that, they fired a round at a young man standing at a bus stop 100+ yards distance As recorded in the court records . The man was killed instantly, clean pass through the heart. People standing near him didn’t even recognize what had happened. The idiot , that murdered a 23 year old engineer, is doing life in prison. The .22 is my favourite round for shooting. I’ve introduced may people to shooting with it. However we all need to make sure , shooters understand that it is as dangerous as any firearm. You guys know this, but make sure you viewers get informed. Good video. One of my favourite.22 shorts, is a Winchester 1899 ?, 1903 gallery pump. Ammo still available. Parlour shooting.
55:48 you won't find a 20 gr .177 airgun pellet or slug. In .22 you do though. You can even get 40 gr .22 airgun slugs, so you get very close to .22 LR subsonic with an airgun.
Loved this podcast! I’ve shot everything you’ve mentioned and can send you some Colibri if you want, have several bricks on hand. The Remington rat shot (22 long) fed well in a Henry but newer Federal shot and CCI shotshells cases expand and stick in the camber. Savage had smooth bores that were often used at indoor meatshoots ( cards). These are awesome in a Ruger 22 Lcr or garden gun to vaporize carpenter bees. My grandkids first shots were with Savage smooth bore, Fed shot shells and balloons. Guarantee a hit! Henry and Super Colibri are a winner under 15 yards.
I’m guessing you’re talking about the Savage Mark I GSB…if that’s correct it’s a bolt action…Ryan and Mark want pump actions for their lawn game. Interesting to know about the newer CCI shot shells not feeding in the Henry Garden lever action. It seems like CCI uses really soft metal (some sort of aluminum I’m guessing) for the shot shell casings. I’ve used components from the CCI 38/357 shot shells to reload regular brass casings…wonder if you could do that with the 22lr stuff (if you really wanted it to work in the Henry).
CCI semi auto quiet. Faster and heavier than normal CCI quiet and able to operate a 10-22. Ton of fun in anything though. I think they make a segmenting hp too in quiet. I'd love to get my hands on some aguila sss but, can't seem to find it anywhere.
I would like to see the plan. Even Ryan may have a point about a pump. But when I was young, I saw a man hunting dove with a very old lever shotgun, and he was as fast or faster than a pump shotguner with his. Of course, he had been doing for years and was familiar with that action, and the gun never left his shoulder when firing and cycling the lever.
I'm guessing the lube on the bullets probably has more to do with mitigating barrel leading than anything else similar to why you lube cast rifle and pistol bullets. In my experience, I find more of it gooped on the LRNs and LHPs, than I do on the copper-washed/plated .22 bullets of both types. I've noticed that most Euro .22 ammo seems to have a 'greasier' lube where most of the American brands have more of a waxy or alox type lube. BTW, for shitz & giggles, I shoot slugs crawling around in my backyard out one of my back windows to stay in practice using the Colibris.
CCI segmenting rounds are devastating pills for varmints, the subsonic(#74) are especially accurate in my guns, much more so than the quiets, highly recommend.
Their Model 63 is pretty much the same thing, but in .22 LR. I used to own a 1903. Had lots of ammo for it too. But had to sell it to get money to get my way to my sweetheart to marry her. Right now, we're thinking about getting that Model 63 to reestablish the collection, haha
Mo-Skeet is the the best thing I have heard of in a long time. You have to bring it to market. With Lawn Darts being outlawed, this is the yard game we needed, but didn't know we needed.
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I second that motion!
22 MAG needs its own 10 minute talk.
Especially in a bolt gun! My old Savage was a shooting machine with CCI Maxi Mags!
My Marlin semi-automatic is pretty damn sweet as well. It’s a beautifully maintained gem. It’s a tac driver at 100 yds and I can ring steal @ 200.
Agreed
yes please for 22mag
.22 Mag 75 grain subsonic. 🤔
If you would like to do a show on .22 smoothbores let me know. We had patterned the different variations of "chokes" (there were a few variations of backboring) years ago including the patterning out of a rifled barrel. My family has one of the largest known collections of smoothbores and accessories (clays, throwers, etc). Almost every model and variation produced, even salesman samples.
Well that's pretty cool
Also, another cool gun for y’all to throw in the mix for this conversation in regards to the 22 LR shot is a very hard to find Mossberg Targo Model 42 TR. Very cool little single shot bolt action…. Thing. It had rifle sights, but the whole length of the barrel was a smooth bore. But it had an outer threaded muzzle and it came with two ends that were roughly 6” long… one was a smooth bore extension with a choked end on it, and the other end was a short section of RIFLED barrel. So you could shoot either the 22LR shot with no issue, or toss on the rifled barrel end and now you’re shooting 22LR regular bullet projectiles. Very VERY nifty little set up. Friend of mine had one way back in the day, and I was amazed at how accurate it actually was with regular ammo with just that little section of 6” rifled barrel screwed on the end. Anyway…. More neat info for the topic!!!
Trent’s not the only one that sticks around! The podcast is great and 22’s are awesome! They’re what gets most of us into firearms. 🤘 cci rat shot for the win!
I have a Henry Garden Gun. It is an absolute blast (pun intended) to play with. I had never heard of the mo-skeet before but we actually do something similar. We take turns pitching white saltine crackers into the air and seeing who can hit the most. It’s the most fun you can have without doing something illegal 👍
What shot shell are you using? Another commenter said the CCI shot shell sticks in the Henry’s chamber and doesn’t function correctly…I’ve been interested in the garden gun for a while but would want to make sure if I got one that I would be able to shoot multiple rounds from it, otherwise what’s the point. Thanks
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The only shells that I have ever used is the CCI shells. I haven’t been able to find and of the brass crimped shells. My little Henry cycles the CCI’s flawlessly so far.
@@scottiehorton2558 Winchester produces crimped shells. They come in a box of 50 rnds. They were
about $3.95 a box. That was 2 years ago. Last time I bought any. I've got 2 boxes left of 5 I bought.
I actually have a Winchester model 1890 in 22 short only. A true gallery gun with an octagonal barrel. It's going to need alot of work but it'll be a gorgeous piece of history that goes pew pew.
I may have been the only one left..... but it was worth it. People will never know the utility of the garden gun. And I agree the crimped ammo is the way to go.
Too funny
/waves hand ; I'm still here, damn good show. I'll correct one thing. 57 hits the velocities rifles achieve in wound track destruction. 22wmr is just a bit short. (ballistic gel nws)
Getting to the end of this video was an absolute treat! Mo skeet baby!!
Can weld a truck but can’t reload. Love it. 🤣I always enjoy you three gentleman discussing ammo.
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I gotta say vortex nation podcasts on UA-cam is good I always enjoy them.
I used to have a single shot smooth bore 22. Loved it for shooting grasshoppers on the fly.
I definitely need to see a Vortex Office Mo-skeet shooting competition!
I’m in for the mo-skeet show.
I have actually handled the Winchester pump shot gun. Beautiful gun with such a small market.
I'm in Moskeet!!! I can see it on the Outdoor channel!! Sponsored by Ritz!! What a sight to see laughing all the way to the bank
Rossi makes a pump action gallery 22lr…being a smaller company (part of Taurus), I wonder if there was enough interest (like submitting a petition with 100k names or something), if they would make a smooth bore version of the pump gallery 22lr with a bead sight?
Come on boys, you’re Vortex, make it happen!! Mo-skeet for the win!!
Jim needs to allocate as much Vortex resources to the MO Skeet project as possible
Let’s get a Mo-Skeet petition going…I’d sign it…then submit it to a firearms manufacturer to try to get them to make a pump action smoothbore
Hey guys…you left out the one .22 cartridge that started the .22 semi-automatic story…the Winchester Model 1903 which used a proprietary cartridge…the Winchester .22 Automatic…I’m blessed to have my grandfather’s 1903 (made in 1906) along with 600 rounds of ammunition. Coolest rifle ever! 😎😎😎
.I have one also mine was made in 1903. Gifted to me also.
Haha, almost bought the rem auto at a gun show a month ago but couldnt find ammo to even attempt to "reload" anywhere...
22 long is an lr case with a 29gr projectile. Before 22lr there was just 22 short n long both pushing a 29gr bullet. Then after that came the long rifle which was just a long with a heavier bullet, typically 40gr.
If you have an old .22 revolver that says
.22short/long and you try to put long rifles in it they will stick out of the cylinder, because the typically heavier bullet itself will make it too long for the cylinder.
I love my old Ruger Single Six with the
.22 MAG Cylinder in it. Shooting it without ears on is what I DON'T love.
The report is unbelievably SHARP and loud out of a revolver.
Two things here. That deer was shot at a long distance for the 22 stinger. I shoot deer all the time here in North Carolina with 22lr 40-55 grain solids. It is leagal here and standing broadside, right behind the shoulder, the bullet tumbles. Does more damage through the lunges than you could imagine and exits the other side at 50 yards. A hollow point at that distance will expand but won't penetrate deep enough to reliably kill deer. Second point is the slower bullets absolutely puts the smack on squirrel and rabbit. The full velocity solid bullets zip through so fast they don't cause much truma and the hollow points tear up to much meat. The CBs and the CCI Quiet dump all their energy into the critter and it will flip a squirrel right over backwards! I've lost squirrel with full velocity stuff because they will run and hide before they die. With the CBs and quite they are usually dead right there.
I never knew how much there was out there for the .22, but man am I glad I hung around. I'm going to have to listen to this a couple more times to get everything out of it.
Awesome episode and super insightful, but I think there was an opportunity missed on not making ep 243 about the myriad of 243 cartridges. Episode .308 will be coming up in a couple months...
You brought up the Ruger Single Six revolver that has interchangeable cylinders for 22lr and 22wmr, however, that seems to be pretty popular to me as I own another brand mentioned, the NAA mini revolver that came with 2 cylinders, one for 22lr and one for 22wmr, and I have seen 22 wmr conversion cylinders for the Heritage Rough Rider that is usually seen in 22lr.
243 would be a great video on CF cartridge for sheer variety of ammo in bullet weight, 55gr-87gr vmax, 75gr HP's, sst's and accutips up to 95gr, soft points up to 105gr, Sierra 85gr bthp. Variety is the spice of life and all
The sniper subs are awesome! The cci subs are a hair more reliable, but the sniper subs are very reliable outta a suppressed ar with a 22 bolt carrier. I shoot to about 50 yards or less, usually closer but it is a field mice deleting machine. But all in all if I shoot a box of 50 I may have one jam. Just my 2 cents.
A very enjoyabke eposode! A few comments: 1) I think the reason most of the bullets have such a rounded ogive is to keeo them stable in the slow twist tates. 2) I think another significant advantage of the copper-washed bullets in the "tictical" ammo is that if you drop it in the dirt, there is no lube for the dirt to stick to. 3) With regard to using standard-velocity ammo for ELR, go look at youtube channel "Mard and Sam after work". They comprehensively prove high-velocity ammo is better. 4) Can we have a handgun division for Moskeet? Should be pretty easy to make smooth-bore uppers for your dad's Mark 1 target model! 😁
good video I enjoyed watching the whole video thanks for the content can you guys do more cartridge videos like this??
Yes would love to see the ma skeet 22lr stuff
22s are far and away the best firearm cartridge ever!
Id moskeet in a heartbeat, I love shooting shot from my S&W, many nights camping waiting for that thief of a mouse to show itself
Yes , we can reload .22 short and lr. A tool called a casing iron exists , it's first iteration was for making bullet jackets from spent .22 cases , the second version allows for the case to be reprimed with liquid priming compound and then loaded on specialty dies with cast bullets or turned bullets. (.224 to .221) because I am busy and no I didn't wait to listen to the answer. Rcbs made/makes? the first version . A quick search shows Corbin making the first style case iron for bullet jacket making, and the type 2 is now just a resizing die . "Sharpshooter supply" is the first search option under .22lr resizing dies. Skiving the brass cases will be important for expanding bullets , and it's super simple to bond lead cores with borax . You need a way to hold your bullet jackets from just their bases when ready for a core ,put in a baking pan and fill with water so it is about 1/8th inch over the holder . Make a borax paste and paint the insides of the jacket, heat until it bubbles and melts. Add your core , flux exposed core and inner case again . Heat until the lead melts . Let cool . Heat again , cool , form as for expanding projectiles . This will give a heavy brass base, bonded core with preprogrammed jacket . Lead alloy will dictate how fast it needs to go to expand . Old speer bullet designs can be replicated with such methods . All components must be measured by weight for controlling pressures and maintaining accuracy when loading .
Enjoyed this one very much!! My brother and I used to cut a + cut over the hp stingers, and then bending the points in again (as they open up a bit)… very devastating at short range..
Great video. Watched the hole thing through I love the .22 and I know a lot about it but I definitely learned alot more about it if you guys find out more about the 22 do another video
MMGA!! I would love to see a podventure on reviving what sounds like the coolest carnival game out there
Good stuff as always. I'd love more than 10 minutes on the .243 someday
50:00 those Super Colibri are so quiet that when shot suppressed the loudest sound is the impact on the paper target target down range.
Ive been huting squirrela and rabits with these since they came out. Love the damn things and im the reason there is a shortage on em😁
Aguila SSS was developed for Bolt action sniper rifle in a jungle theater of operation in Mexico.
10 minute talk on 22mag/22wmr please
I subscribed just for the Mo Skeet project. When is the next Mo Skeet episode?
The priming compound that they use to reload the 22LR….. that stuff can also be used to RELOAD your own primers!!! Just search that video…. It’s pretty incredible!
Anschutz knowledge of wax in .22lr barrels had been stated many years ago. Cleaning out the barrel required refouling the barrel for best accuracy. Also the wax cookie around the muzzle verifies adequate wax coating of the full length of the rifling. FYI
Nice Happy Gilmore reference! .. and I'd like to hear more about the "professional" work with the sniper 22lr rounds.
.22s that appear to be plain lead have a clear lubricant on them, usually a wax-like substance, that reduces the amount of lead fouling.. They tend to pickup dirt and other contaminants when carried loose in a pocket or pouch. Copper plating like copper alloy cases act as lubricants, reducing the amount of lead fouling without attracting dirt.
Omg I have found my new favorite late night time waster podcast on UA-cam lol. Best time ever 😂
Great episode, and very informative - well done guys!
32:00 There's a great video by "Mark and Sam After Work", a couple that do some amazing precision and ELR shooting, that actually completely disproves that subsonic ammo is more accurate.
They tested several supersonic and subsonic loads at a bunch of distances, including close enough for the supersonic rounds to stay such and far enough that the supersonic rounds spent more time travelling subsonic than supersonic. The end result was that supersonic ammo shoots noticably flatter than subsonic, and that's it; there was no difference in group size between the two types.
Suggestion for video: Boat tail vs rebated boat tail vs flat base bullets. Just starting to get into reloading myself and I think it would be a informative video.
I now have a reason to get a smooth bore henry 🥰, thank you very much.
How about break action over/under double barrel for mo-skeet? Something you’d carry broke over your shoulder. 😊
I have seen 22lr reloaded without any special machine. You take the spent case and find a punch or some metal rod the same size as the inside diameter of the case and tap the firing pin indent back out. You can buy the compound to make the primer powder off line I forget where but it is available it comes as separate components that need to be mixed. The same person also reloaded his own pistol primers with the same components. He was able to make reliable 9mm for 3 cents a round during the pandemic by reloaded primers casting his own bullets.
man I really thought episode #243 would have been an hour long talk about 243 Winchester.
Hell yes! Ritz cracker clays, I'm in!
Ritz could have a interesting new market…make clay shaped crackers…normal people would see them at the store and be like WTF?!? Us Mo-Skeet fans would be like, sweet they have my lawn clays in stock!!!
I have used the CCI Quiet .22 Segmented to great effect on wood chucks in a city/urban environment AKA a city in wisconsin. CB speeds, but way more damage.
I Love the CCI quite. Stupid silent, but they will go through a double layer of thin fiberglass, and then in and out of a plastic 5 gal bucket, at 50 yards. Has like 36" drop at 100 yards, and like 1.5 second flight time.
I would love to see Mo-skeet! I have heard a lot about it but never seen someone shoot it.
With all the .22lr long range popularity, can we do a video on the right glass for a long range .22 rifle given the extreme drops and drift that can be involved +300yd???
.22lr ammo isn't capable of much accuracy beyond 100 yards as the bullet loses too much energy. 150 yards is pushing it. At 200 yards the bullets drop over 3 feet and have maybe half their energy left so there's no point in spending big money on a scope for a .22. I have a cheap K-Mart scope and I can hit empty 12 gauge casings at 50 yds.
@@wsbill14224 absolutely incorrect…there are guys pushing these rounds past 300 yards with insane accuracy. The thing is you have to be focused on the right ammo. Listen to the video again where they start talking about staying sub-sonic from the start so the projectile loses far less velocity and stability from the trans-sonic switch.
There are great deals to be had if you shop around. A friend of mine just sent me a deal he found on a Viper PST Gen 2 with exposed turrets and excellent glass for a little over $600. Put that on a CZ 22LR in a chassis and you’d have one heck of an accurate 22 setup for long range plinking.
@@scotteger6271 I'm glad they're having so much fun because that's what it's all about but you and I have different ideas about what insane accuracy means. Any significant wind will blow 22lr rounds all over the place at 300 yards and there's almost no energy left. The charts will tell you that there's no need to argue the point. I would say 22lr is accurate at 50 yards, somewhat accurate at 100, and dicey after that. We have different ideas about accuracy and we were never into shooting paper we liked to shoot things so some energy is needed on impact.
@@scotteger6271 and by the way, I would never pay 3 times more for a scope than I paid for the rifle. That just ain't happenin.
First few shots at 50 yards with the Colibri rounds (420fps) I had no impact, so I held on target and watched next to the rifle where they were going... they hit the dirt about half way. This was with a 100 yard zero (standard velocity).
I want to hear Ryan talk about .22 TCM. Haha Every time I listen to a .22 talk I expect to hear something about it.
I’m in on the mo skeet!
Outstanding episode, as always. Suggestion for a future podcast: The PRC line of cartridges - 6.5 (which appears to be very popular with the long distance crowd), 7 (included in SAAMI just this year), and the .300. Are there any others on the horizon? Think they'll sink or swim? Thanks, folks.
Considering that Ryan openly dislikes the 7mm Rem Mag (mostly because its so inefficient compared to 7mm-08) I'd be very curious to see his opinion on the 7 PRC, which I have seen early evidence is more efficient than 7 Rem Mag.
I'd love to hear more about that BB gun dragon fly story. I've never heard anyone else claim to have done that. One time at my grandpa's cabin I sat on the pier with his old BB gun for hours trying to lead dragonflies as they zipped around above the water catching midges and things to eat. I'd shot one off a leaf before, but I wanted to hit one in flight. Their flight patterns are so erratic it's almost impossible to track them, but after many hours and probably a thousand BBs I hit one. It dropped into the water and wriggled as it drifted downstream until a bass gulped it. I think anyone within a mile probably heard me whooping and yelling. Proudest shot of my life. I think I want it included in my epitaph when I'm buried.
They mentioned that some gun's like certain types of casing thickness. I wonder if down the road that everyone will be using that trick to request another type of measurement on ammunition boxes. I could see it be included on ball type ammo.
This topic was very insightful
@@HarrisonCountyStudio it helps to make more sense as to the cost difference between “bulk” ammo and higher end stuff, like Ely Match or the Lapua stuff. Good to know that if you have the time/desire you can make the bulk stuff perform better.
Using .22 shells for bullet jackets was a ploy of the 1950s and 60s benchrest shooters who could not buy really accurate bullets, so they made them. Bieler and Astle used to make swag ing dies and presses for the job.
Remember to include the 5,7 x 28 cartridge, famously the round for the FN P90 sub gun and now several other carbines and pistols.
This is an awesome episode of an awesome podcast. Rats are awesome pets. Neither kind of 22 shot styles feed well in an automatic (well, either TX22 or LCP II 22), and I thought a revolver would do better, but I had not considered the rifled bore problem. Thanks for this! :-)
Used to shoot red and flying squirrels in the house with a crossman pump BB gun. It left blood splatter all over the drywall but never penetrated the drywall. Had massive 30’ cathedral ceiling. Always kept the BB gun ready in the living room. Maine allows “22 magnum rimfire” or larger for hunting all game. So if you want to get a moose with a 22 mag you can. No word on 17 wsm or 204 ruger in the book.
22 long rifle center fire brass are now available that take small rifle or pistol primers. I'm swaging 60 grain lead bullets and getting average MV's of 1040 fps with small charges of #9. 1/9 twist. Current problem is no primers available.
Epic, get ready for the oncoming ritz cracker shortage! 🤣👊🏻
There's a vintage .22 Short only semi-auto rifle. I believe it was a Winchester but I can't recall the model. I saw one at a gunsmith's. He told me subsonic ammo wouldn't cycle the action & he was looking for standard ammo to test it.
Love your podcast. I've been shooting .22lr since the 1970's and I have yet to see anyone shoot .22 long. Not certain but I think it's been obsolete for decades. I've seen .22 shorts and .22 magnum but not .22 long. Dodo bird I think. Question: If your gun is chambered in .22lr can't you shoot any 22 caliber ammo in it?
Any but the .22 Magnum
@@georgewhitworth9742 that's what I meant thank you. The magnum of course is too long to fit in a 10/22.
I sure miss the Cabela's Bargain Cave. Great Job.
22 CB cap (conical breech cap) is a more powerful version of the . 22 BB cap (aka: 6mm Flobert) rimfire metallic cartridge, which was invented by Louis-Nicolas Flobert in 1845. The . 22 BB cap and . 22 CB cap are interchangeable and are relatively quiet, low velocity cartridges, designed for indoor target shooting.
Very informative, thanks.
Love this chat
I didn't know about any of this....
Derenger love one them lol ❤️💯🔫
Love my 22s n so do my kids we have a blast. I have the bird shot can’t find use for them. I did not kno about that 60gr gonna have to look around for some I’m no sniper but we do hunt squirrel n rabbit
I’m a very experienced shooter. The young folk are forever dismissive of the lethality of the .22 rimfire. I’m sure somebody listened to the mule deer story and will conclude this as evidence. Many deer have been killed with .22, with many more wounded and killed and not recovered.
My point, about 15 years ago some idiots acquired a .22 rifle in a home theft. They proceeded to drive around town plinking at everything. Bored with that, they fired a round at a young man standing at a bus stop 100+ yards distance As recorded in the court records . The man was killed instantly, clean pass through the heart. People standing near him didn’t even recognize what had happened.
The idiot , that murdered a 23 year old engineer, is doing life in prison.
The .22 is my favourite round for shooting. I’ve introduced may people to shooting with it. However we all need to make sure , shooters understand that it is as dangerous as any firearm.
You guys know this, but make sure you viewers get informed.
Good video. One of my favourite.22 shorts, is a Winchester 1899 ?, 1903 gallery pump. Ammo still available. Parlour shooting.
My crackshot would love all the above yet I would adore an additional smooth bore barrel for it and some crimped loads!!
The terminal ballistics of the 22 Yellowjacket, on a gopher, is extremely noticeable, compared to a high velocity 40 gr. round.
55:48 you won't find a 20 gr .177 airgun pellet or slug. In .22 you do though. You can even get 40 gr .22 airgun slugs, so you get very close to .22 LR subsonic with an airgun.
Loved this podcast! I’ve shot everything you’ve mentioned and can send you some Colibri if you want, have several bricks on hand. The Remington rat shot (22 long) fed well in a Henry but newer Federal shot and CCI shotshells cases expand and stick in the camber. Savage had smooth bores that were often used at indoor meatshoots ( cards). These are awesome in a Ruger 22 Lcr or garden gun to vaporize carpenter bees. My grandkids first shots were with Savage smooth bore, Fed shot shells and balloons. Guarantee a hit! Henry and Super Colibri are a winner under 15 yards.
I’m guessing you’re talking about the Savage Mark I GSB…if that’s correct it’s a bolt action…Ryan and Mark want pump actions for their lawn game. Interesting to know about the newer CCI shot shells not feeding in the Henry Garden lever action. It seems like CCI uses really soft metal (some sort of aluminum I’m guessing) for the shot shell casings. I’ve used components from the CCI 38/357 shot shells to reload regular brass casings…wonder if you could do that with the 22lr stuff (if you really wanted it to work in the Henry).
CCI semi auto quiet. Faster and heavier than normal CCI quiet and able to operate a 10-22. Ton of fun in anything though. I think they make a segmenting hp too in quiet.
I'd love to get my hands on some aguila sss but, can't seem to find it anywhere.
Great breakdown on 22 ammo 👍
Please do a podcast where you pull off the moskeet, I may have to buy another set of glass just to reward your for this
Please do one on .303 British
Make Mo-skeet great again!
"...the ammo of librarians..." almost died laughing.
.22 semi auto with smooth-bore for bird shot and Ritz Cracker thrower for up close pulverizing fun 😎👍. What do you think guys?
Mo-Skeet! I am in!!!!! LOL. I would drive over from Minneapolis for the fun!
I love how their minds are blown as he’s talking about how rimfire ammo has been made since the 1850s!!! (Maybe earlier)
Mo-skeet i remember in the late 90's marlin still made a bolt action "garden" gun
I would like to see the plan. Even Ryan may have a point about a pump. But when I was young, I saw a man hunting dove with a very old lever shotgun, and he was as fast or faster than a pump shotguner with his. Of course, he had been doing for years and was familiar with that action, and the gun never left his shoulder when firing and cycling the lever.
I'm guessing the lube on the bullets probably has more to do with mitigating barrel leading than anything else similar to why you lube cast rifle and pistol bullets. In my experience, I find more of it gooped on the LRNs and LHPs, than I do on the copper-washed/plated .22 bullets of both types. I've noticed that most Euro .22 ammo seems to have a 'greasier' lube where most of the American brands have more of a waxy or alox type lube.
BTW, for shitz & giggles, I shoot slugs crawling around in my backyard out one of my back windows to stay in practice using the Colibris.
Ayyy that clarksons farm tshirt though
Episode #243 and no mention of the 6mm caliber missed opportunity
I love my .22’s but I can’t believe you passed up the opportunity to make episode.243 all about .243’s🤣
CCI segmenting rounds are devastating pills for varmints, the subsonic(#74) are especially accurate in my guns, much more so than the quiets, highly recommend.
Im irked that Winchester used a proprietary .22 Winchester automatic for their M1903.
Their Model 63 is pretty much the same thing, but in .22 LR.
I used to own a 1903. Had lots of ammo for it too. But had to sell it to get money to get my way to my sweetheart to marry her. Right now, we're thinking about getting that Model 63 to reestablish the collection, haha
22 bird shot vs cicada killers absolute blast lol
Groundhogs are “game animals”…if you haven’t eaten one, trust me you’re missing out😁👏🏻👊🏻🖖🏻
I need a 10min talk on gallery gun games & Mo-Skeet "Ritz cracker" lawn games etc