XD that what i was going to say!!... i was like "did the defiant and millennium falcon have a child?" this would be cool if star wars and star trek ships combined there degisn slightly
If this is set after DS9/ Voyager / Nemesis time line, I could see this as defiant spaceframe combining in the new Delta quadrant tech that Voyager brought back. Those other blue glows at the back could be dedicated quantum slipstream drives. Those other red above and below collectors could be dedicated for the quantum slipstream drive. I can definitely see that given the success of the original defiant spaceframe why not make other starships based off that architecture?
I would like to see you do the USS Star Empire from the 1986 Star Trek novel Dreadnought by Diane Carey. The whole plot from Star Trek Into Darkness was pretty much ripped off from Dreadnought, plot point for plot point. a corrupt Starfleet admiral, worried that the Federation is too weak to take on the likes of the Klingons (specifically) or the Rommulans, teams up with a scientist nemesis from Enterprise's past, builds a super ship to take over the Federation and turn it into an empire with himself as it's head
This is one of the few fan or cannon ships that is sub-light thrust balanced, so for that I give it a big thumbs up. The Intrepid, Miranda, NX 01, Discovery and many other ships all not thrust balanced at all, just designed to look cool, not fly well. Yes you can say that these ships use the reaction control thrusters to compensate, but who wants to run them all the time, it makes them part of the sub-light drive systems not just reaction controles. The Constitution class, Sovereign class, Defiant class even the Galaxy class are all well thrust balanced ships. This is a very nice Defiant variant.
keonisan that may well be true, but until recently it was simply the technology that required it to be so. I mean keeping your rockets bell/nozzle inside may keep it safe but it would obviously effect its function!
I like the design of this ship & the defiant with the warp nacelles being part of the main hull as the shield envelope could be much more compact than say on the pylon type where the shield bubble is huge and basically is shielding empty space in some places
It's inefficient and in-universe causes "subspace pollution." It's only superior if you're valuing armor which is why you see them in dedicated warships.
What I read about this ship puts in in STO's continuity. The Defender was commissioned during the Hur'q crisis, as a response to how larger ships were being frequently torn apart by the Hur'q's swarm tactics and small craft, and the Defiant's forward cannons couldn't reliably hit.
As far as Defiant-style Starfleet ships, my favourites are definitely the Pilot Escorts from STO, especially the Mercury and Ajax. I'd love to see a Trekyards video on the 3 variations...
The Defiant made such an impression on me when it appeared out of no where for the first time in front of DS9 that I personally don't think it can really be improved to make it better. I don't know if Star Fleet would continue evolving this class of ship past the Dominion war since it was such a slap and tickled together ship in the first place for "One Purpose Only" sorry but this is just too Falcony for me. But good video guys! Always fun to explore this stuff!
WaybackTECH Look up the Ajax and Mercury Pilot Escorts from Star Trek Online, they're Defiant-style but still unique and a wonderful way to evolve the design.
"Thinga-ma-bobby"! That's gold man, I love the easy casual rapport you guys have with each other; it really drives home the unique and awesome quality that you are friends talking to a wide community of more friends about ships in a cool casual way, and that approach as so much appreciated! :) Kudos!
It kinda reminds me of the ebon hawk from starwars knights of the old republic and maybe the blue section at the back near the impulse drive are some kind of after burners of soughts that say allow the ship to make a flash in sector jump to warp for emergency purposes or combat a great looking design either way.
Those new Corellian shipyards are putting out some interesting designs. Glad they finally joined the Federation. It almost seems like it could use some landing legs though. Maybe a swiveling phaser turret on the bottom?
I can imagine the Defender having a smaller crew than the Defiant, and also more of a space-saving "open plan" design to its rooms - so you'd have very few corridors. Just antechambers between main rooms. I would expect Engineering to be as near the front of the main impulse engine as it possibly can be put, but it would also have a crescent design, following the curve of the aft of the ship. Quarters I guess would probably be near the back of the bridge? I imagine to save space, they might also combine the Captain's Quarters with a Ready Room. I also imagine it having two cargo bays / transporter rooms - perhaps also combined as "rescue chambers" for people who have just been rescued from battles - near the front of the warp nacelles.
they say that the millennium falcon appeared in a cameo in star trek fighting a Borg cube with other federation ship maybe this what the falcon look like in st universe
Agree with Samuel about the Runabouts. They're *fine", but not exciting enough considering they were the only Starfleet ship presence on the show for the first two seasons. They were like an extended cab shuttle. Wish they could have had a Starfleet equivalent of the Millenium Falcon. Something like the Archer class scout would have been fantastic. Obviously they didn't have the budget to build a full interior, but considering we never saw anything but the cockpit of the Runabout, that apparently wouldn't have been an issue.
I agree with Samuel, that the square red elements on the bottom look like supplementary collectors which is a very nice backup system for a ship that is designed mainly for battle in case they need more capacity or if the main ones get damaged.
"...thats when it gets good...or at least interesting..." Whaaaat? C´mon Commander....DS9 is by far the best show since TOS. Even side characters like Nog are more consistently written, and have a better Character developement then the whole f....ng Voyager Crew. I mean...seriously...dude!!!
I would buy the 4 small pods you mention being a a back up warp system. If this is a long rang Scout that would be a good idea even if it was only capable of say warp 2 or 3. Looks good Great job.
2 ideas here about the warp nacelles 1) what we are seeing is two Huge warp Coils peeking out as little as necessary from under a boat load of armor 2) Nested warp fields. Big nacelles creates the primary space contraction, the other two sets contract the space inside the warped field. if this is true you'd probably only be any good at sprint speeds like 9.9995 for 12 parsecs
The nacelles, the wing tips need bent. The blue front arc with the 4 blue and red vents up top and bottom could easily be an integrated slipstream setup. Maybe there would be a group-flotilla of 5-15 of these based at major federation members or at every shipyard as a "Tactical Scramble" team, justifying the slipstream drive. Like some PT boats that are scrambled to discourage an invasion fleet or Borg cube... Take the "Nacelle housing segments" and bend them down to get line of sight, then connect the front and back of the main saucer shape over top of them with emitter arcs to indicate they have the utility beam weapons. Alternately build torpedo tubes into the ship instead.
Reverse? That's just crazy talk! _Star Trekkin across the universe_ / _on the starship Enterprise under Captain Kirk_ _Star Trekkin across the universe_ / _Boldly going forward 'cause we can't find reverse!_
I think the middle comes out for a multi vector warp design with the donut being one ship and the middle being one or two seperate ships... top and bottom mini warp nacelles
The side glows are the same side glows as on the nacelsof a conventional craft. For instance the side glow on the interior of the Conny refit. The rear grills are the same as the rear grills.
In Starfleet Battles, Photon Torpedoes require warp drive energy to charge-up. Perhaps those small warp engines are just to supplement the drives just to charge the torpedoes, or as emergency drive.
multiple warp field emitters could easily be used for making it more stable. Preventing warp pollution as well as allowing the ship to get more warp power out of the available warp core.
Looks like a tough little ship. I like it. A couple of notes to improve it though. I think the Engine Intercooler (the forward Warp engine blue bit) should not be split up the way it currently is, but expanded to cover the entire curve of the side, similar to the Galaxy Class' Warp Nacelles and the Warp Grills (the current wrap-around blue bit of the Warp Engine should have been more enclosed like the line of the Galaxy Class' Warp Nacelle. I think the entire Warp Engine could be brought another 10 degrees forward, beginning immediately aft of the Quantum Torp/Targetting Sensor Array (rounded triangular section), just to tighten up the design. And the Deflector Nose section should be more delineated to indicate that it is detachable. I like the rounded aft of the USS Defender though. Totally agree that it is reminiscent of the Millennium Falcon. Really love the Impulse Engine design, I would shorten the aft portion of the Matrix Restoration Coil to just 2 blue panes, not the 3 with the interior third pane covered by that portion of the aft hull. All in all I can really see this as new adjunct to the armed escort class of the Starfleet fleet. 3D print up a few in the scale of the 2001 Hallmark Keepsake Star Trek Starfleet Legends Defiant and I'll order a few, OK.
Go check out the DS9 Technical manual. The Defiant's impulse engine IS a center engine. The VFX people on the show are the ones who turned escape pod compartments into impulse engines. Probably because they thought it looked cooler since the Defiant had a stealth covered impulse drive. No heat or other residual side effects to be detected Just like the torpedoes. They turned targeting sensors into launchers. Originally the nose double barrel launcher was the only forward mount It's all about looking a certain way I guess. I'd still love to see the Defiant firing it's pulse phaser cannons with a simultaneous stream of quantum torpedoes down the middle, though 😕
I simply LOVE THIS SHIP! Yes the inspiration is clearly from the Falcon but it is well integrated for Star Trek. It's a believable evolution from the Defiant. WELL DONE #treklove
According to the Defiant schematics in the DS9 Tech manual. The Impulse engines on the Defiant are not the small red lights on the back of the ship. They are across the center of the rear of the ship. Like this one but they are under a baffle. The small red lights are the rear torpedo launchers.
Another thing to make it more like the Millenium Falcon would be to turn everything apart from the bridge into engine room for a coaxial warp engine and make it function as a courier.
Millennium Falcon aside because that ship is in a galaxy far far away, it looks like a tech merge of the DS9 Defiant and the Ferengi D'Kora-class Marauder.
according to the ds9 technical manual (i know not really canon) the defiant had inline impulse engines at the back of its warp nacelles that drew power from the warp core i bet that's what the blue grills at the back are meant to represent yes i am a total nerd for sci fi i also am reminded of the millenium falcon and the jupiter 2
If you placed a pop up rotating quantum torpedo launcher (small scale version of the ones on DS9) on both the top and bottom, this would be an amazing torpedo boat.
From the firing shot, it looks like those bolts came from the 4 pod things instead of the traditional launchers. They seem to have the same top out/bottom in pattern
Some ships in the trek universe also have blue, glowing element at the end of the nacelles. I guess these are "highly" integrated warp nacelles. But that does not explain the additional bussard looking (front) and blue glowing pieces (back) below the ship. It would make sence if the middle part of the saucer could be separated but it does'nt look like.
It looks more like a saucer section. Maybe it could be apart of the notion of multiply ships merged together. Instead of a full saucer sep this portion comes out of the back. Giving any ship the ability to have a battle ship apart of it. More guns more targets. Like the Prometheus class of ships.
Like the Defiant, *definitely* a warship... sleekness / flattened hull = less target area with the right angle of attack. This ship (unlike the Millenium Falcon) screams..."I'm here to kick ass boyo, and you're IT."
Sisko: She may have flaws, but she has teeth. Prometheus class's attack vector saucer section is like Defiant type warship. In terms of concept, it's a Miranda class saucer-only starship with direct-attached warp nacelles. Impulse drive design seems to come from Intrepid-class or Prometheus class.
*EUREKA!* Samuel, you just expressed the best reasoning EVER of the line of sight "rule"! (16:00) That is *the* most rational and reasoned explanation that I have heard in _all_ of the years of this debate, and hopefully it'll appear in a manual somewhere and become Canon. That was a true piece of rationalising and making reasonable something that people have been arguing about for _decades!_ * Bravo bravo bravo mate!* >high five!
Those four small structures with the blue grill on the back, and red bussards forward must be mini nacelles. They aren't directly lined up below and above, so they are related but not the same structure. I think they are emergency nacelles. Wouldn't it have been simpler to to give this ship the same level of nacelle protection Defiant has? I bet they extend from the main hull before engaging. A pocket BC version of the original pocket BB Defiant?
My guess is that since this design violates the line of sight "rule," perhaps those four structures on the top and bottom help complete the warp field? edit: OK, I posted this before I watched the whole video as this was mentioned around the 16:00 mark.
to me it looks like the two units on top and two below are auxilliary nacelles so the ship can still go to warp when one or both of the side wrap around nacelles are disabled or destroyed
Is it flying backwards? I see about 6 places where impulse engines could be, replacing the 'bussards'. Then the impluse grille on the back would be the main deflector. The nacelles need to 'droop' to get that line of sight satisfied. It is missing the usual weapon greebles, so what that load out really is remains a mystery.
If you fly it backwards, it kinda of looks like the primary hull blade of the Galor, if you cut off the tail and the forward blade over the primary disruptor... at least from the top. I do like the design though, it feels more Federation than the Defiant.
i wonder if those extra bussard collectors could be part of a secondary warp drive to either increase speed or act as a redundant system should the primary go offline. it could also help sustain warp flight should the core be shut down during warp for whatever reason.
Extra power for shields and weapons. Perhaps type XII Phaser arrays & more powerful phaser cannons. Quantum torpedoes, primary, secondary & tertiary shields plus enhanced ablative armour.
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looks like a ship that, from the front or rear offers a very small target for the opposition, as well as a small area to have to protect with shields, allowing forward and rear shield grids to be very compact and thus more efficient.
"She's the starship that made the Badlands Run in less than 12 parsecs!"
My first thought was that it looks a bit like the millenium falcon
Dragon Warhammer you mean it looks like garbage
You beat me to the punch. Chewie, angle the deflector shields.
Sisko's pimp hand can do the Kessel Run in less than 10 Parsecs...eat it SoloXD
I was just going to say the same thing.
XD that what i was going to say!!... i was like "did the defiant and millennium falcon have a child?" this would be cool if star wars and star trek ships combined there degisn slightly
well it doesnt take much to push the defiant esthetic into the shape of the millenium falcon
True, but just because one could doesn't mean one should.
Embed a Delta flyer in the dorsal end on the port side and you pretty much have it
If you carve out a hard dock recess for a delta flyer into the starboard side just onboard of the nacelle housing and you pretty much have a Falcon
"More firepower!"
Sounds like something that every Klingon starship engineer would say...
If this is set after DS9/ Voyager / Nemesis time line, I could see this as defiant spaceframe combining in the new Delta quadrant tech that Voyager brought back.
Those other blue glows at the back could be dedicated quantum slipstream drives.
Those other red above and below collectors could be dedicated for the quantum slipstream drive.
I can definitely see that given the success of the original defiant spaceframe why not make other starships based off that architecture?
Future randomness. They are the same bits as the original Defiant had.
I would like to see you do the USS Star Empire from the 1986 Star Trek novel Dreadnought by Diane Carey. The whole plot from Star Trek Into Darkness was pretty much ripped off from Dreadnought, plot point for plot point. a corrupt Starfleet admiral, worried that the Federation is too weak to take on the likes of the Klingons (specifically) or the Rommulans, teams up with a scientist nemesis from Enterprise's past, builds a super ship to take over the Federation and turn it into an empire with himself as it's head
I love it! Defiant and Falcon had a baby. The USS Millennium or The Defiant Falcon.
Its a Federation's Ferengi Marauder class aluminum falcon.
tachyonzero I see the Robot Chicken reference you made there...
@@brettcooper3893 robot chicken "WHAT THE HELL IS AN ALUMINUM FALCON?" bleep, bleep! 😄
This is one of the few fan or cannon ships that is sub-light thrust balanced, so for that I give it a big thumbs up. The Intrepid, Miranda, NX 01, Discovery and many other ships all not thrust balanced at all, just designed to look cool, not fly well. Yes you can say that these ships use the reaction control thrusters to compensate, but who wants to run them all the time, it makes them part of the sub-light drive systems not just reaction controles. The Constitution class, Sovereign class, Defiant class even the Galaxy class are all well thrust balanced ships.
This is a very nice Defiant variant.
This is what a saucer section should look like.
Thank you for showing more ships with integrated nacelles which I believe are vastly superior to ships with exposed nacelles.
keonisan that may well be true, but until recently it was simply the technology that required it to be so. I mean keeping your rockets bell/nozzle inside may keep it safe but it would obviously effect its function!
I like the design of this ship & the defiant with the warp nacelles being part of the main hull as the shield envelope could be much more compact than say on the pylon type where the shield bubble is huge and basically is shielding empty space in some places
It's inefficient and in-universe causes "subspace pollution." It's only superior if you're valuing armor which is why you see them in dedicated warships.
What I read about this ship puts in in STO's continuity. The Defender was commissioned during the Hur'q crisis, as a response to how larger ships were being frequently torn apart by the Hur'q's swarm tactics and small craft, and the Defiant's forward cannons couldn't reliably hit.
As far as Defiant-style Starfleet ships, my favourites are definitely the Pilot Escorts from STO, especially the Mercury and Ajax.
I'd love to see a Trekyards video on the 3 variations...
The Defiant made such an impression on me when it appeared out of no where for the first time in front of DS9 that I personally don't think it can really be improved to make it better. I don't know if Star Fleet would continue evolving this class of ship past the Dominion war since it was such a slap and tickled together ship in the first place for "One Purpose Only" sorry but this is just too Falcony for me. But good video guys! Always fun to explore this stuff!
WaybackTECH Look up the Ajax and Mercury Pilot Escorts from Star Trek Online, they're Defiant-style but still unique and a wonderful way to evolve the design.
That's a pretty nice Defiant Falcon. Millenium Defiant? You know what I'm sayin'.
"Thinga-ma-bobby"! That's gold man, I love the easy casual rapport you guys have with each other; it really drives home the unique and awesome quality that you are friends talking to a wide community of more friends about ships in a cool casual way, and that approach as so much appreciated!
:)
Kudos!
The Defiant is Beautiful and you cant beat that design.
It kinda reminds me of the ebon hawk from starwars knights of the old republic and maybe the blue section at the back near the impulse drive are some kind of after burners of soughts that say allow the ship to make a flash in sector jump to warp for emergency purposes or combat a great looking design either way.
Those new Corellian shipyards are putting out some interesting designs. Glad they finally joined the Federation.
It almost seems like it could use some landing legs though. Maybe a swiveling phaser turret on the bottom?
The Defiant from DS9 had a baby with the Millennium Falcon.
I can imagine the Defender having a smaller crew than the Defiant, and also more of a space-saving "open plan" design to its rooms - so you'd have very few corridors. Just antechambers between main rooms. I would expect Engineering to be as near the front of the main impulse engine as it possibly can be put, but it would also have a crescent design, following the curve of the aft of the ship. Quarters I guess would probably be near the back of the bridge? I imagine to save space, they might also combine the Captain's Quarters with a Ready Room. I also imagine it having two cargo bays / transporter rooms - perhaps also combined as "rescue chambers" for people who have just been rescued from battles - near the front of the warp nacelles.
Kind of looks like the cover of an ELO album...
Brett Cooper good stuff
they say that the millennium falcon appeared in a cameo in star trek fighting a Borg cube with other federation ship maybe this what the falcon look like in st universe
Agree with Samuel about the Runabouts. They're *fine", but not exciting enough considering they were the only Starfleet ship presence on the show for the first two seasons. They were like an extended cab shuttle. Wish they could have had a Starfleet equivalent of the Millenium Falcon. Something like the Archer class scout would have been fantastic. Obviously they didn't have the budget to build a full interior, but considering we never saw anything but the cockpit of the Runabout, that apparently wouldn't have been an issue.
I agree with Samuel, that the square red elements on the bottom look like supplementary collectors which is a very nice backup system for a ship that is designed mainly for battle in case they need more capacity or if the main ones get damaged.
Maybe a long-range vessel without regular Starbase maintenance and support would especially need redundant and supplementary collectors?
"...thats when it gets good...or at least interesting..." Whaaaat? C´mon Commander....DS9 is by far the best show since TOS. Even side characters like Nog are more consistently written, and have a better Character developement then the whole f....ng Voyager Crew. I mean...seriously...dude!!!
NINERS!!! :)
I would buy the 4 small pods you mention being a a back up warp system. If this is a long rang Scout that would be a good idea even if it was only capable of say warp 2 or 3. Looks good Great job.
I thought the 4 pods were the deuterium/antimatter storage pods.
2 ideas here about the warp nacelles
1) what we are seeing is two Huge warp Coils peeking out as little as necessary from under a boat load of armor
2) Nested warp fields. Big nacelles creates the primary space contraction, the other two sets contract the space inside the warped field. if this is true you'd probably only be any good at sprint speeds like 9.9995 for 12 parsecs
The nacelles, the wing tips need bent. The blue front arc with the 4 blue and red vents up top and bottom could easily be an integrated slipstream setup. Maybe there would be a group-flotilla of 5-15 of these based at major federation members or at every shipyard as a "Tactical Scramble" team, justifying the slipstream drive. Like some PT boats that are scrambled to discourage an invasion fleet or Borg cube...
Take the "Nacelle housing segments" and bend them down to get line of sight, then connect the front and back of the main saucer shape over top of them with emitter arcs to indicate they have the utility beam weapons. Alternately build torpedo tubes into the ship instead.
Question. . . could the "bussard collectors" on the top and bottom actually be reverse impulse engines to increase maneuverability?
As someone who plays Space Engineers where you need thrust everywhere, thats what I instantly thought too lol.
Eric Helvie. Impulse engines work in any direction. They are not primarily thrusters, but basically baby warp engines.
Please site your source so that I can further research
Reverse? That's just crazy talk!
_Star Trekkin across the universe_ / _on the starship Enterprise under Captain Kirk_
_Star Trekkin across the universe_ / _Boldly going forward 'cause we can't find reverse!_
Unless you're in StarFleet Battles. There, the Kaufmann Retrograde is an honored tradition!
My first thought upon seeing this was that it looks like it would be a good torpedo boat. Several forward launchers, hit 'em hard and hit 'em fast.
This ship is the result of one passionate, drunken night between the Defiant and the Millennium Falcon.
I think the middle comes out for a multi vector warp design with the donut being one ship and the middle being one or two seperate ships... top and bottom mini warp nacelles
What a fantastic looking ship now that is how the defiant should had looked like
Beautiful Defiant variant! Or maybe just a new class inspired by the positive aspects of the Defiant Class.
I do like this ship it's a great Defiant class refit I say
Looks somewhat like a mix of Defiant and Ebon Hawk from SW:KotOR
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The side glows are the same side glows as on the nacelsof a conventional craft. For instance the side glow on the interior of the Conny refit. The rear grills are the same as the rear grills.
In Starfleet Battles, Photon Torpedoes require warp drive energy to charge-up. Perhaps those small warp engines are just to supplement the drives just to charge the torpedoes, or as emergency drive.
I would say those red paired lights on the top and bottom of the ship are the pulse phaser emplacements, not bussards or maneuvering engines
multiple warp field emitters could easily be used for making it more stable. Preventing warp pollution as well as allowing the ship to get more warp power out of the available warp core.
I'm somewhat reminded of the future USS Relativity. This finds like a stubby evolution somewhere between the Defiant and the Relativity
Looks like a tough little ship. I like it. A couple of notes to improve it though. I think the Engine Intercooler (the forward Warp engine blue bit) should not be split up the way it currently is, but expanded to cover the entire curve of the side, similar to the Galaxy Class' Warp Nacelles and the Warp Grills (the current wrap-around blue bit of the Warp Engine should have been more enclosed like the line of the Galaxy Class' Warp Nacelle. I think the entire Warp Engine could be brought another 10 degrees forward, beginning immediately aft of the Quantum Torp/Targetting Sensor Array (rounded triangular section), just to tighten up the design. And the Deflector Nose section should be more delineated to indicate that it is detachable.
I like the rounded aft of the USS Defender though. Totally agree that it is reminiscent of the Millennium Falcon. Really love the Impulse Engine design, I would shorten the aft portion of the Matrix Restoration Coil to just 2 blue panes, not the 3 with the interior third pane covered by that portion of the aft hull.
All in all I can really see this as new adjunct to the armed escort class of the Starfleet fleet. 3D print up a few in the scale of the 2001 Hallmark Keepsake Star Trek Starfleet Legends Defiant and I'll order a few, OK.
The Defiant and the Millenium Falcon hooked up and had a baby called the Defender.
Go check out the DS9 Technical manual. The Defiant's impulse engine IS a center engine. The VFX people on the show are the ones who turned escape pod compartments into impulse engines. Probably because they thought it looked cooler since the Defiant had a stealth covered impulse drive. No heat or other residual side effects to be detected
Just like the torpedoes. They turned targeting sensors into launchers. Originally the nose double barrel launcher was the only forward mount
It's all about looking a certain way I guess. I'd still love to see the Defiant firing it's pulse phaser cannons with a simultaneous stream of quantum torpedoes down the middle, though 😕
It's like the Defiant, Millenium Falcon, and Lost in Space Jupiter 2(movie) combined into one vessel. And the weird thing is that it works.
I simply LOVE THIS SHIP! Yes the inspiration is clearly from the Falcon but it is well integrated for Star Trek. It's a believable evolution from the Defiant. WELL DONE #treklove
According to the Defiant schematics in the DS9 Tech manual. The Impulse engines on the Defiant are not the small red lights on the back of the ship. They are across the center of the rear of the ship. Like this one but they are under a baffle. The small red lights are the rear torpedo launchers.
oh interesting...didnt know that...thats really odd..humms ^.^
Another thing to make it more like the Millenium Falcon would be to turn everything apart from the bridge into engine room for a coaxial warp engine and make it function as a courier.
Millennium Falcon aside because that ship is in a galaxy far far away, it looks like a tech merge of the DS9 Defiant and the Ferengi D'Kora-class Marauder.
My thoughts about the smaller red things on the top & bottom...
Impulse Engine Thrusters for more maneuverability.
So..... I guessing everyone else notice it looks like the millennium falcon?
14 dislikes???? haters will hate.... thats all you guys are
It setup to be able to do the death blossom from The Last Starfighter!
according to the ds9 technical manual (i know not really canon) the defiant had inline impulse engines at the back of its warp nacelles that drew power from the warp core i bet that's what the blue grills at the back are meant to represent yes i am a total nerd for sci fi i also am reminded of the millenium falcon and the jupiter 2
If you placed a pop up rotating quantum torpedo launcher (small scale version of the ones on DS9) on both the top and bottom, this would be an amazing torpedo boat.
From the firing shot, it looks like those bolts came from the 4 pod things instead of the traditional launchers. They seem to have the same top out/bottom in pattern
Some ships in the trek universe also have blue, glowing element at the end of the nacelles. I guess these are "highly" integrated warp nacelles. But that does not explain the additional bussard looking (front) and blue glowing pieces (back) below the ship. It would make sence if the middle part of the saucer could be separated but it does'nt look like.
It looks more like a saucer section. Maybe it could be apart of the notion of multiply ships merged together. Instead of a full saucer sep this portion comes out of the back. Giving any ship the ability to have a battle ship apart of it. More guns more targets. Like the Prometheus class of ships.
P.S. definitely look like a love child of the Defiant and the Millennium Falcon. ;-)
Steven McGrath :Also a hint of Jupiter 2 2018.
Hummm, a tad JP2
Cool ship. STO needs to buy this design and [T6] it...
This is a really Kool update for the Defiant class..tho it could use phaser strips for aft protection and maybe more forward armorment...
Like the Defiant, *definitely* a warship... sleekness / flattened hull = less target area with the right angle of attack.
This ship (unlike the Millenium Falcon) screams..."I'm here to kick ass boyo, and you're IT."
Sisko: She may have flaws, but she has teeth.
Prometheus class's attack vector saucer section is like Defiant type warship.
In terms of concept, it's a Miranda class saucer-only starship with direct-attached warp nacelles. Impulse drive design seems to come from Intrepid-class or Prometheus class.
Increase shielding is my impression...maybe multi shield layers...high deflection capabilities...
It also looks like a very shortened and simplified Cardassian cruiser in reverse.
*EUREKA!*
Samuel, you just expressed the best reasoning EVER of the line of sight "rule"!
(16:00) That is *the* most rational and reasoned explanation that I have heard in _all_ of the years of this debate, and hopefully it'll appear in a manual somewhere and become Canon.
That was a true piece of rationalising and making reasonable something that people have been arguing about for _decades!_
* Bravo bravo bravo mate!*
>high five!
I wish it had line of sight. The deflector is somewhat reminiscent of the Enterprise J, which makes it fit into the timeline nicely.
Looks like the love child of the Defiant and the Millennium Falcon
it looks like the love child between a defiant class and a D'Kora class!
The large unarmored warp grills would be a LOT more vulnerable in battle than the Defiant's.
To me it kind of looks like the Ebon Hawk
It’s like a mashup of the Defiant and the Millennium Falcon.
Looks like a dangerous ship, definite upgrade to the Defiant
I'm glad I'm not only one. It looks like the Solo ship.
Could be the aft blue of the warp drive Nacelles..OR Slipstream drive as well...just a thought
Just so you know i think this ship was at the battle of sector 001 it was small to see but it was there.
Those four small structures with the blue grill on the back, and red bussards forward must be mini nacelles. They aren't directly lined up below and above, so they are related but not the same structure. I think they are emergency nacelles. Wouldn't it have been simpler to to give this ship the same level of nacelle protection Defiant has? I bet they extend from the main hull before engaging. A pocket BC version of the original pocket BB Defiant?
My guess is that since this design violates the line of sight "rule," perhaps those four structures on the top and bottom help complete the warp field? edit: OK, I posted this before I watched the whole video as this was mentioned around the 16:00 mark.
to me it looks like the two units on top and two below are auxilliary nacelles so the ship can still go to warp when one or both of the side wrap around nacelles are disabled or destroyed
The extra venting is for LUDACRIS speed!
I had a base ship design for a massive fed ship with 4 active captains! Dwarfing the j interestingly I've seen nothing like it! Yet!
Looks like a cross between the Defiant and the Millennium Falcon
There was a valiant, it was crewed by red squad in ds9
Is it flying backwards? I see about 6 places where impulse engines could be, replacing the 'bussards'. Then the impluse grille on the back would be the main deflector. The nacelles need to 'droop' to get that line of sight satisfied. It is missing the usual weapon greebles, so what that load out really is remains a mystery.
OOOOOH, look at that! The Millenium Falcon! Only waaaaaay cooler!
Also looks similar to the new Jupiter 2 design for the Netflix LOS reboot.
The nose from above reminds me of a Lambda class imperial shuttle.
I'm not overly in love with the design. But it could be evolutionary.
I am in love with the Defender!!!!!!!!!
If you fly it backwards, it kinda of looks like the primary hull blade of the Galor, if you cut off the tail and the forward blade over the primary disruptor... at least from the top. I do like the design though, it feels more Federation than the Defiant.
I see no docking ports anywhere. What I do notice is what appears to be shuttle Launcher like NX-01
With the fist view it looks like it could detach into two smaller ships.
Han isn't gonna like it when the Falcon has to pay the Defiant child support for this thing
That center circle on the underbelly that's surrounded by that red circle line, I wonder if that's some kind of port for shuttles..?
i wonder if those extra bussard collectors could be part of a secondary warp drive to either increase speed or act as a redundant system should the primary go offline. it could also help sustain warp flight should the core be shut down during warp for whatever reason.
Extra power for shields and weapons. Perhaps type XII Phaser arrays & more powerful phaser cannons. Quantum torpedoes, primary, secondary & tertiary shields plus enhanced ablative armour.
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Kinda looks like someone ran over the Defiant. speedbump
James Roberts wonder who was the drunk who ran over the defiant with a galaxy class
It had to be Deanna Troi!
looks like a ship that, from the front or rear offers a very small target for the opposition, as well as a small area to have to protect with shields, allowing forward and rear shield grids to be very compact and thus more efficient.
Impulse looks like it might have thust vectoring the outter part of the impulse housing looks like it could vector the thurst